Election contest roundup

Dems allege more felons
According to a report from the AP, the Democrats now claim to have found 544 felons who illegally voted in predominantly pro-Rossi precincts. The Republicans claim to have identified 946 felon votes, mostly from pro-Gregoire precincts.

If the bulk of these numbers hold up, no effort at rejiggering spreadsheets could possibly produce a Rossi victory.

Reagan Dunn is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I’ve ever known in my life
The Seattle P-I reports that nepotism poster-child Raymond Shaw Reagan Dunn will ask the King County Council to approve a motion of no confidence in Elections Director Dean Logan. Shaw Dunn says he has a “fiduciary responsibility,” or something like that, to grandstand on a motion that has zero chance of passing. For some reason, Council Chairman Larry Phillips comes off as a touch cynical:

“This is a well-orchestrated but thinly disguised attempt by Republican operatives to bring discredit to Dean Logan for the court case.”

Really? Who’d of thunk?

Stefan Sharkansky is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I’ve ever known in my life a prick
In commenting on the Logan and Huennekens depositions, Stefan concludes:

If this isn’t grounds for both voiding the election and sending certain election officials to prison, I can’t imagine what would be.

See… Stefan’s not only a prick, he’s also a coward. He won’t actually come right out and accuse Logan and Huennekens of committing fraud, because that would be libel. Instead, he’s always careful to semantically couch his false accusations, so that the implication is clear, if not literal.

I also find it disturbing… the joy in which some on the right hold the prospect of seeing their political enemies behind bars. Reeks of fascism.

But to his credit, he’s not anonymous.

Comments

  1. 1

    Erik spews:

    According to a report from the AP, the Democrats now claim to have found 544 felons who illegally voted in predominately pro-Rossi precincts. The Republicans claim to have identified 946 felon votes, mostly from pro-Gregoire precincts.

    If the bulk of these numbers hold up, no effort at rejiggering spreadsheets could possibly produce a Rossi victory.

    For a second there Goldy, I thought you were going to torture us readers with an excel spreadsheet and make some sort of extrapolated prediction.

    Oh well. Here’s my calculation : If there is a 400 vote difference between the Rs and Ds and the spread in KC is 20 percent, then 400 x .2 = 80 additional votes for Rossi if the court accepts the nebulous proportional analysis.

    However, Gregoire will likely fare much better than this as the eastern counties were very pro-Rossi. With this in mind Rossi will likely be only able to pick up 40 additonal votes in the contest. At an expense of $4,000,000, that’s $100,000 per vote.

    As it stands now, Rossi loses on every legal theory he has put fourth.

    I expect the Ds and Rs to have a very hard time proving many of their felon votes. Thus, perhaps the Rs will be able to prove half of their asserted numbers.

  2. 2

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    For a guy named GOLDY, your comments are a bit BRASSY.
    Have you actually read and digested the Logan and Huennekens depositions Goldy”
    Have you actually looked at the chain of events that have occurred and been revealed…either reluctantly willingly from these 2 clowns (sorry JP PATCHES) and been revealed by others?
    Are finding additional ballots on 13 occassions something Logan should be praised for Goldy?
    Do you still believe KingCo shouldn’t be able to give us all a list of names of voters who actually voted that matches the number of votes?

    If Stefan is a prick…I guess that makes you a STUPID COCKSUCKER Goldy. While Stefan was generating hard evidence, you were blabbing on & on & on. You accomplishing nothing of value in this entire election contest Goldy. NOTHING! Oh sure, you were gleefully will to try and debunk every theory Stefan & others put forward. But what value will that be at trial??

    The Dems are desperately looking for more “felons”. In desperation, when in doubt…put them on the list, right Erik??

    You should also be aware, there are more issues in the contest than felons voting. Go back and look at the original filing doofus.

    Goldy–your post that starts this thread is telling of your desperation. Why don’t you e-mail County Auditors and find out how many of these 544 currently stand up and where the survivors voted??

  3. 4

    CynicalSucks spews:

    Cynical is regressing towards his second childhood.

    Right now he’s the obnoxious 12 year old with a big mouth everyone beat up in the schoolyard.

    By the time the trial is over he’ll be a babbling, whining 4 year old. It’s not fair! It’s not fair!

  4. 6

    Tom Purtzman spews:

    What’s really weird is Dunn is doing this…he has all the name recognition you can get — why would he pull a stunt whose only goal is to increase his name recognition?

  5. 8

    Goldy spews:

    Cynical @2,

    See the difference here, is I’m debating reality whereas you are debating fantasy. In the real world, governed by the laws of man, throwing various suspicions up against the wall, hoping they’ll stick, is not going to make much of an impression on a judge who must closely follow a very clear statute. Each one of these allegations is not only going to have to be proven, it’s going to have to be proven that they cost Rossi votes. Good luck with that.

    So while, yes… Stefan has been “generating evidence,” he hasn’t actually been generating any hard evidence, in the legal sense of the word, that might make an ounce of difference in a court of law. Now I know some Republicans believe that judges are a greater threat to America than bearded terrorists flying planes into buildings, but until you guys manage your little putsch, purge the judiciary, and send all us liberals to camps, I’m afraid you’ll still have to cope a little while longer with the rule of law.

    righton @3,

    You’re new here. Welcome. I enjoyed your earring comment on on (u)SP.

    Anyway, if you weren’t new, you’d know that I occasionally enjoy a little foul language, and that describing my good friend Stefan as “a prick” was a reference to an earlier, somewhat satirical post. In any case, the debate can get a bit rougher here… but it’s a whole lot more fun than over at the other blog.

    Ivan @5,

    Thanks for correcting my typo. (That’s what I get for writing so late at night.) Perhaps instead of buying me beer, people should chip in to hire me a proofreader?

  6. 9

    chardonnay spews:

    Mr Dunn got the nod from 2 democrats. 1 is Julia Patterson who just so happens to be up for re-election. What does that tell ya? Sounds like she is worried about the KC elections dept making her “look bad.” If everything that went on in KC elections were just normal everyday “mistakes” then why is she nodding to vote against deanie weenie?

  7. 11

    Jeff B. spews:

    “This is a well-orchestrated but thinly disguised attempt by Republican operatives to bring discredit to Dean Logan for the court case.”

    Or if the motion is denied, it could be a well oranized attempt by Larry Phillips to make sure that none of the council members who are up for reelection have to answer to their constituents regarding how they voted regarding their appraisal of Dean Logan.

    You can disagree with Reagan Dunn Goldy, but the majority of Washingtonions have a legitimate gripe with Logan, Huennekens and how they handled the election accounting. Even if one does not believe there was enough to reverse the election results, Logan and his team should have been much more forthcoming with the problems that they found. Had they done so, it would have most likely saved the state and both parties millions of dollars in litigation and other costs.

    On the plus side, it’s given you and other bloggers something to talk about for the past six months.

    To dismiss Logan’s admitted mistakes though, is just plain denial.

  8. 12

    righton spews:

    I’m dying to find out if Bridges is a died in the wool right winger having fun w the earing, or just a free spirit, or worse one of you left wingers.

    Fun to be here; the p**** word didn’t bother me as much as the preponderance of f*** words. Some good scat in the language is fun; but when it nears use as adverb, adjective, noun and verb, I (and others i suspect) tune out.

  9. 13

    scottd spews:

    If Julia Patterson or any other Democrat has indicated they would vote for Mr. Dunn’s motion, it’s news to me. That doesn’t mean it’s not true, but a link or some other citation would be helpful.

    On the other hand, today’s Seattle Times reports that at least one Republican (Kathy Lambert) has already said Mr. Dunn’s motion is premature.

  10. 14

    Jeff B. spews:

    Righton @12,

    I’ve mentioned this to Goldy many times. I really think that even though he enjoys profanity and it is his blog, it lowers his readership.

    It’s hard for mainstream press outlets to comment on a Goldy piece when to read it publicly they would have to say:

    Blogger David Goldstein says that bleep, Stefan Sharkansky is just a stupid bleep, blah blah blah, bleep, etc.

    Frankly, to some extent I think it also justifies Mr. Cynical’s use of profanity in his comments.

    It’s not that I’m some kind of prude, it’s just that it detracts from the actual content of the arguments.

  11. 15

    AllHatAndNoHorse spews:

    jeffb@11,

    it would have most likely saved the state and both parties millions of dollars in litigation and other costs.

    Comment by Jeff B.—

    No, im afraid the only thing that would have accomplished that, is giving the election to rossi, regardless who actually won.
    Repugs., do one thing very well, they throw mud.
    If you were to take all the mistakes made, put them on the table for all to see, along with the knowledge, how low the percentage was compared to any other election contest, most people would realize, there haven’t been any extraordinary events.
    The confusion, and suspicion, has for the most part, been invented by repugs., in an attempt to win, regardless the price.

  12. 16

    scottd spews:

    I took a look at Mr. Dunn’s motion and it is, indeed, a mighty piece of work.

    It starts with several pages outlining the various offenses of Mr. Logan. His first specific complaint gives us a taste of what’s to come:

    Whereas, on November 16, 2004, during the ballot counting process, King County found 10,000 additional ballots that officials had not included in prior estimations of ballots remaining to be counted;

    Basically, he’s complaining that Logan made an estimate on Election Day of the number of absentee ballots that would be counted — based on previous return and validation rates — and it turned out that his estimate was off by 2%! Hang the man!

    Equally absurd is the notion that King County “found” 10,000 additional ballots — absurd because they were never lost. They were received, logged, and counted just like any other absentee ballot. It just turned out that the return rate in this election was slightly higher than previous elections and KingCo wasn’t as quick to update their earlier estimate as Dunn would have liked.

    It doesn’t take too long to find out the true nature of Dunn’s beef:

    Whereas, on November 17, 2004, the initial vote count results showed Dino Rossi leading Christine Gregoire by 261 votes, within the statutory margin to trigger a mandatory machine recount; and

    Whereas, on November 24, 2004, the mandatory machine recount ended with Rossi leading Gregoire by 42 votes; and
    .
    .
    Whereas, the hand recount ended on December 23, 2004, with Gregoire leading Rossi by 129 votes (119 of that advantage resulted from ballots that were counted for the first time during the recount);

    In other words: We thought our guy was going to win; turns out he didn’t. Someone must pay!

    Give me a break…

  13. 17

    righton spews:

    the election; come on guys, no way you can defend either the accuracy or the integrity of the election. Past ones not as bad, other places not as bad.

    Tell me how we should feel about Poll workers taking home blank ballots, and also not having controls over ballots being read by accuvote….combine the 2 and you are printing votes…

  14. 18

    All tools here and yet there are still screws loose spews:

    Goldy-

    You forgot to address the fact that there are probably alot of errors in the preliminary findings by the Dems, so we shouldn’t count on that number to stay at 544. Just to steal a few of your words this is “Reality” so we should view them having inaccurate name on the list just like the Republicans did, like you said this insn’t “Fantasy.”

  15. 20

    Wayne spews:

    The other problem with the illegal voter calculations proposed by the GOP is that if the dems can come up with any significant number of felons illegally voting, and can show they come from Rossi precincts, it makes it appear the GOP has been cherry picking. That might be okay in normal litigation but this is an election challenge. If the GOP was cherry picking, their proportional methodology is invalid, because they are addressing only a partial set of the illegal voters. Thus, while it may “appear” that if you only include the illegal voters selected by the GOP in their proportional analysis that Rossi got more votes after adjustment, the court could not say with any confidence that it “appears” Rossi would get more votes after adjusting for all illegal votes, because no one knows how many that would be or how they would be distributed. This would be grounds for the judge to dismiss the GOP analysis at the preliminary Frye hearing, because the methodology is not reliable.

  16. 21

    JCH spews:

    Goldy, Shark is a “prick and a coward” [your words]?? Although you are a little Jewish, commie lib. never in the military, parasite Democrat, I had a small amount of respect for your work. Now I’m not sure.

  17. 22

    Jon spews:

    Goldy: “Perhaps instead of buying me beer, people should chip in to hire me a proofreader?

    How ’bout Mr. Cynical? Would make for some interesting-looking posts, or AllHatAndNoHorse to see what your posts would sound like from the lips of Jedi Master Yoda.

  18. 24

    Nindid spews:

    If those two were editors we would end up with verbs at the end of the sentance in ALL CAPS… no thanks.

  19. 25

    Nindid spews:

    Josef – It is pretty low to repeatedly try and advertise your own blog here… get some manners and give it a rest.

  20. 26

    Nindid spews:

    JCH – I suppose it is appropriate that you would throw out anti-Semitic crap on Yom HaShoah.

    Just remember the Republican motto – ‘Arbeit Macht Frei’ – Now where have I seen that before?

  21. 27

    Jon spews:

    JCH: Ditto to Nindid’s first paragraph.

    Nindid: You just went straight to JCH’s level with your second paragraph.

  22. 28

    Danw spews:

    JCH for President….This is why we are terrified to let you folks slide.

    Be careful Jesus Christ Hates…you don’t want anyone killing the Jews before we get them back to Judea.

    You are one sick bastard. If Cynical thinks i need help, how about this guy? Defend these comments Cynical and Chards. JCH @21

  23. 29

    Nindid spews:

    Jon @ 27 You are probably right… that was a cheap shot. But then again, it actually is a motto of sorts for Republicans and variations on it were spouted at length on this very board in the past couple of days.

    All in all, the combination was a bit to good to resist. You have to at least give me credit for subtlety! ;)

  24. 30

    Jon spews:

    Before this thing goes way off topic (rightfully so), Goldy, can I ask (and maybe you’ve posted this before, if so, my apologies) but what is your opinion of Logan’s handling of the election and do you think he should step down? I certainly don’t see any fraud, but I think he did a poor job of managing his department and an even poorer job of communicating, to the point, that yes, King County should replace him. Your thoughts?

  25. 31

    christmasghost spews:

    tom @ 6………you said,”What’s really weird is Dunn is doing this…he has all the name recognition you can get – why would he pull a stunt whose only goal is to increase his name recognition?”
    here’s a novel idea….maybe he did it because it’s the right thing to do? have you thought of that?
    interesting that the only reason you could think of for someone to do this is because they wanted something for themselves……but isn’t this what we want our elected officials to do? the right thing?

  26. 32

    Jon spews:

    Nindid @ 29: Well, if you think a sledgehammer is subtle…

    I’m not going to say R’s don’t use cheap shots (far from it) but two wrongs don’t make a right. I am glad you called JCH on his post, that crap can’t be condoned.

  27. 33

    Nindid spews:

    Jon @ 32 Do you actually think that JCH knows what Yom HaShoah is or where ‘Arbeit Macht Frei’ comes from?

    Heck, the guy does even know what communism is? If he can’t even understand his own insults do you really think he can grasp others?

    You are right though, and I have posted here before about the dangers of radical rhetoric. And while the left is slowly catching up, the primary instigators of this type of speech have come repeatedly from the right and I think almost any honest observer would agree.

    My personal favorite this weekend was Pat Robertson’s sober analysis that Republican-appointed ‘liberal judges’ who followed the law (i.e. nont being ‘activist’) were more of a threat to America then al-Quaida. Nice….

  28. 34

    righton spews:

    Ok nindid, et al. I’ve seen the sign myself at Dachau, it was on the Nazi death camps; GOP future president helped demolish, was appaled by them… so how dare you call Repubs Nazis…we’ve never used that mantra. Closest I guess you could get is protestant work ethic…

    as a P.S., which party bailed out Israel in 1973 and offers far stronger support today…? Yeesh, if I were Jewish and pro-Israel, i’d have trouble bashing the GOP.

  29. 35

    Goldy spews:

    Chardonnay @10,

    Thanks for the tip… I just posted on it. But do you do nothing but sit at a computer all day scanning for headlines and trolling on blogs?

  30. 38

    Goldy spews:

    Jon @30,

    Fair question.

    Dean Logan is a well-intentioned, conscientious, hard-working technocrat who without a college diploma managed to work his way up to be one of the state’s leading experts on election procedures. Statements made prior to this election, show that he was widely admired by his colleagues, and I have talked to a number of auditors and other election officials in the aftermath, R and D, all of whom believe he performed his duties in a nonpartisan fashion, and none of whom would want his job.

    That said, he is indeed a crappy communicator, and much of the public misconception over this election is due to this weakness. But I don’t believe PR skills should be a requirement for his office.

    As to his management skills, well, I can understand the argument that he appears to be wanting in that skill set. But I’m not sure it is fair to make that judgment based on an election that occurred one-year into his tenure, and really — objectively — did not result in a large number of tabulation errors compared to those reported in national studies. Bureaucracies, public and private, are notoriously resistant to reform; if anything the controversy over this election will make it easier for him to sweep house. That’s one positive.

    But I think the question we need to ask is, if you fire Logan and Huennekkens (and imprison them, as Snark suggests), who are you going to replace them with? Is there anybody with greater insight into the flaws in the current system, and who will be more likely to be able to fix it?

    Heads shouldn’t roll just for the sheer spectacle.

  31. 39

    righton spews:

    Logan has to go. I don’t think its stage fright or inability to talk. Read his memos, reports. I really don’t think he knows the first thing about accuracy. Say you bought into some small business, with lots of cash floating about. You need an auditor to really feel good about the numbers. Would you ever bring in Logan? No way. Its all about being anal retentive about the numbers, being able to cross the ts, dot the i’s . What other proof do you need, other than a botched election, to dissuade you from supporting him?

  32. 40

    chardonnay spews:

    goldy @ 35
    I heard the story on KTTH this morning before the sun was up as I was preparing for my full time private sector job that I commute to.
    I mostly visit HA to read my fellow R’s comments. I especially enjoy Mr Cynical’s comments. I usually scroll past the lefty bloviators. Goldy, I typically speed-read your topics and I am not a speed reader.

  33. 41

    chardonnay spews:

    goldy @ 38
    heads shouldn’t roll just for sheer spectacle? Tell that to Dean Logan and Crissy. Crissy fired an underling for her f-up and logan suspended election workers. For sheer spectacle.

  34. 42

    dj spews:

    righton @ 39

    Dude. . . the election was not botched. It was a close election. The error rate in KC was well within the reasonable range. Before you spew such shit, get the right-wing echos out of your head and actually do some homework on your own.

  35. 43

    prr spews:

    Chardonay @ 41

    You are absolutely correct on this.

    Accountability in our state government is a joke.

  36. 44

    dj spews:

    Chardonnay @ 41

    None of the firings you mention qualify as “spectacle.” They were the ordinary type.

    Quick, without using Google, what were the names of the fired employees?

    QED

  37. 45

    Jon spews:

    Goldy @ 38: Thanks for the response!

    Goldy said: “That said, he is indeed a crappy communicator, and much of the public misconception over this election is due to this weakness. But I don’t believe PR skills should be a requirement for his office.”

    Maybe not PR skills, but Logan showed, in my opinion, an incredible lack of judgement when ballots are found and the County Council has to find out about in the newspaper. Even several Democrats on the Council were very unhappy over that. I also agree with some of the other postings that Logan could have saved a lot of heartache for himself at least if he’d been more forthcoming at least with the Council through this whole ordeal.

    As far as the error rate, does it really matter if it is comparable to other jurisdictions, when this election was so close? I’m not asking for zero errors; I’m asking to be open and honest with the errors you do have.

    Goldy said:“But I think the question we need to ask is, if you fire Logan and Huennekkens (and imprison them, as Snark suggests), who are you going to replace them with? Is there anybody with greater insight into the flaws in the current system, and who will be more likely to be able to fix it?”

    How about somebody who will be more forthcoming and will start lopping heads within the department? I’m sorry, I don’t think it’s asking too much for Logan to be candid with the Council and willing to make some hard decisions within the department. He wasn’t willing or able to do it; so find somebody else.

  38. 46

    Nindid spews:

    Righton@ 34 “…so how dare you call Repubs Nazis…” Well, lets see… other then Jon no Republican has denounced JCH on this, including yourself. “Although you are a little Jewish, commie lib. never in the military, parasite Democrat,” Care to call JCH out on this or does calling bullshit on the facists in your midst contradict the 11th Commandment?

    Do all Republicans think this way? Of course not! Are all Republicans racist? Of course not. Do all Republicans believe that Muslims should be prohibited from holding high office in this country? Of course not! Do all Republicans believe that judges are a greater threat to America then terrorists? Of Course not!

    But you guys sure to seem to aid and abet those that hold these beliefs. If you are not going to repudiate them, you are condoning it.

  39. 47

    righton spews:

    hey nindid
    I don’t know JCH and am too lazy to go back and look him up. I was cruising for Election stuff. I’d say calling someone here a commie lib is good clean fun, parisite Democrat too rude for me, and the anti-semitic slur uncalled for, wrong, (and tied to the other slurs is especially anti semitic).

    Notwithstanding that, most of you guys are clueless communists :)

  40. 48

    Nindid spews:

    on @47 Well, if you are too lazy to go look up the original conversation then maybe you should hold off on the indignation.

    I won’t mind if you call me a commie if you are happy to be the jack-booted facist that we know you want to be in your heart of hearts… ;)

  41. 49

    Nindid spews:

    Righton – Out of curiousity – Let me ask you straight out… Are you are willing to condemn JCH’s comments and those other bits of Republican extremeism I listed out in 46.

  42. 50

    Puddybud spews:

    Goldy, how can you support a person who was told by the SOS to fix problems identified way before November 2004 that are now chasing his tail everywhere he goes? How can you support incompetence?

    Wait a minute: Wasn’t Mussolini a Fascist? Wasn’t Stalin a Communist? Are we really going to call each other these names, let alons the favorite of MoveOn.pork –> Nazi :(

    I fail to see that logic.

    Pudster

  43. 51

    righton spews:

    Nindid
    I did repudiate the anti-semitism slur (though I trust you can see I didn’t write that slur, not sure why i’m apologiziing for some guy/girl i don’t know

    Rest of your slur about republican extremism makes no sense.

  44. 52

    Jeff B. spews:

    Goldy,

    I notice your server is a bit slow? What’s up?

    And the wind seems to be leaving the sails of your argument too. Stefan called Whitman County. Almost all of the provisionals there came from Pullman. WSU.

    No doubt a portion of our fine young men and women there who were filled with vitriol from Ward Churchill like professors and went out to cast their ballots.

    Seems like subtracting these votes would help Rossi.

    To answer your question above, I think bringing back Bob Bruce would be a great way to get someone who is pretty knowledgeable with KCREALS procedures and shortcomings.

    Dean Logan has had his chance, in fact this past election was the greatest opportunity for him to come forward with some of the problems, when they were quite glaring and hard to ignore even with “cultural” problems in the organization. He could have used the media spotlight as leverage against the “cultural” problems to highlight the issues, and get them fixed, before certification, and he would have been a hero.

    Instead, either he, or his staff did not bring this out. Maybe the problems had always existed in small numbers, and were thought to be ignorable, but everyone knew full well the election was going to be very close after the initial machine count. Prudence as anyone in an accounting role will tell you, would have been to double-check.

    If nothing else, there should have been full disclosure. I’ve noticed that you often bring out details about your affiliations that might be considered conflicts of interest here in your posts under the auspices of full disclosure. I applaud you for that. Why should a very public organization like KCREALS be held to any less of a standard?

  45. 53

    righton spews:

    adding to JeffB’s…

    How come a volunteer blogger Sharkansky is able to pinpoint more irregularities than our paid official? And I mean by a factor of 10x he’s finding stuff that Logan doesn’t even understand.

    Hire a numbers nerd, anal retentive geek. Too bad Logan had his chance and muffed it.

  46. 54

    Puddybud spews:

    Righton, are you inferring that the Great David Goldstein wears a butt plug? Perish the thought!!! Naaaahhh, I came even imagine that one. I thought Stefan had said that a couple of weeks ago and the moveon.porker geeks came over there from here to pooh-pooh it.

    Go to nonewgastax.com, Goldy, it may make your day. Kill the arrogant 9.5 cent tax after Gregoire said she would NOT raise gas taxes. Typical democrap lies.

    Pudster

  47. 55

    Nindid spews:

    Righton @51 I guess I missed the point where you said that… if you said JCH is wrong then fine.

    As for Pat Robertson not making sense, I completely agree, but sadly his views on such things as American judges being more of a threat then terrorists and barring Muslims from high office in this country are not exactly extreme for the Republican Party.

    Look, if you agree with him fine… if you don’t, you shouldn’t support him or others who believe as he does.

  48. 56

    spews:

    “But I think the question we need to ask is, if you fire Logan and Huennekkens (and imprison them, as Snark suggests), who are you going to replace them with? Is there anybody with greater insight into the flaws in the current system, and who will be more likely to be able to fix it?”

    Councilwoman Jane Hague.

  49. 57

    PacMan spews:

    Goldy, why is it that Democrats think you guys/gals are superior to anyone else?
    Do you fly out of your bed straight up?
    Does your crap not stink?
    Does the herd mentality occur here?
    You don’t answer critical thought against you?
    You don’t consider that your point may be dead wrong?
    I have seen many questions from the right that are glossed over by your posters. Why is that? Does the kitchen heat scorch you all?
    Why do you all dwell on Florida 2000?
    Why do you dwell on Ohio 2004?
    Both states had problems in Democratic strongholds, and you blame Katherine Harris and Ken Blackwell for your problems in bad polling actions by Democrats?
    I see many similarities in the name calling, the swearing, the virtual pie throwing by your bloggers that we saw in person by Californeeaah Democrats. Is this the standard playbook of Democrats?
    Why are you so beholden to MoveOn.Org in your thoughts?
    Are the Seattle Times and the Post-Intellengence(?) Democratic leaning newspapers like the LA Times and the SAN Francisco Chronicle? If the answer is yes, then I get how you come to your posting decisions. If the answer is no, then I why does it seem that the comments from Stefan’s site seem to have more credibility than yours?

    I ask these questions because I hear WA State is an interesting place. But, if these are true about your state politics, I wonder how the state functions. We had too many years of Grey Davis and we are going to be digging out of his mess for years to come.

    Just a humble man, from an overtaxed land, looking for the truth, justice and the American Way. Superman show 1957.

    Oh Donnageddon, I hope you don’t hate me. I reviewed your argument against Pudster and all you did was scream at me when I read your comments. Yes, Pudster did scream too but he used captial letters. I hate that. But, to ask a question, don’t you think that SoS Colin Powell would check the sources of materials that said Al-Qaeda had a base in Salman Pak and the other place near Iran before going up to the whole world and detailing the case? He later said that he was fooled on WMDs but he said the base evidence was there along with Zarqawi. Do you hate Pudster so much that you could not see what he was saying. Now Pudster may be a little cocky in his statements, I grant you that.

    What is funny is the girly men down here must have their cousins up there. Pretty soon you will be paying our gas taxes. We heard a story that your legislature pass Californeeah gas types. Is that true?

    PacMan

  50. 58

    spews:

    Goldy,

    Let me try again: As to your, “But I think the question we need to ask is, if you fire Logan and Huennekkens (and imprison them, as Snark suggests), who are you going to replace them with? Is there anybody with greater insight into the flaws in the current system, and who will be more likely to be able to fix it?”

    My answer: Councilwoman Jane Hague.

  51. 59

    torridjoe spews:

    righton @ 53
    Be serious here. Sharkansky has pointed out 600 duplicated records on the original voter-credit list, and that’s IT. On almost everything else, he’s been dead wrong. Military ballots late: wrong. Voter-credit imbalance analysis: wrong. Method for counting imbalance totals: wrong. Dr. Daniel Sosin: wrong. Suing Secy Reed: wrong. Utility of voter-credit system as accounting tool: wrong. Allegations of fraud: wrong. Equal protection violations: wrong. Selective recanvassing: wrong. I’m sure I’m missing something.

    someone at SP was saying Stefan should testify as an expert. Ms. Gregoire can only hope.

  52. 61

    righton spews:

    torridjoe
    I lost track of the elections errors the Shark found. All I can recall (i think from the depositions) is Dems/poll workers taking ballots home PLUS not tallying what they took, they put back in.

    I don’t know of anyone in the media doing honest digging. Not Reed, maybe i guess our attnys.

  53. 62

    Stop the whistling spews:

    Goldy, I hope to see ANY felon voters on EITHER side behind bars. Isn’t that the American Way? Stop your pathetic whining, grow up a notch and start turning them in regardless of their leanings or someone will soon be calling you the names you so easily throw at Sharkansky.

  54. 63

    Stop the whistling spews:

    Goldy @ 8–I will proofread for you anytime, but I am afraid I would also censor the childish language you so gleefully claim to enjoy. It shows a lack of finesse, the effort of a feeble mind to express itself forcefully to get attention and an obvious show of lack of creativity (and a thesaurus). Glad to help anytime.

  55. 64

    chardonnay spews:

    dj @ 44
    who cares what their names are, that is not the point and you know it. Dean Logan quickly suspended a few people for show. Crissy fired a gal. Isn’t that completely against your liberal doctrine? do democrats represent the average worker or not? Crissy and dean both in upper management positions, making over $100k/yr at the time. If this were in the private sector you dj would be blowing a gasket.
    the underlings were making what dj, quick w/o google.

  56. 65

    Puddybud spews:

    MoveOn.porker: Felon – What’s a felon? Definition please.

    Us: Felon – Bad guy who did bad stuff without their voting rights restored.

    MoveOn.porker: Bad, please define bad.

    Us: Opposite of good.

    MoveOn.porker: So, what is wrong with them voting?

    Us: It’s illegal.

    MoveON.porker: Define Illegal please.

    Us: Those actions defined by moral or legal laws that define right from wrong.

    MOveOn.porker: Define wrong please.

    Us: The actions of Dean Logan and Bill Huennekens before the certification. Read their transcripts.

    Pudster

  57. 66

    torridjoe spews:

    righton @ 61
    Let me get this straight–you’re saying Sharkansky discovered something (and thus passed it on to Rossi) in the DEPOSITIONS? That’s truly amazing detective work! I know the feeling; just the other day I discovered and passed on the day’s weather to my local TV station. I happened to pull it off the web.

  58. 67

    righton spews:

    Torrid at 66

    I punctuated my sentence, and used parentheses to note that independent of Shark, i recall some election stuff that the depos brought out. Golly, must be a Seattle public school crowd here.

    As for Shark’s contributions/research….you should really read the stuff. If you have an ounce of nitpicker in you, you’ll be awed. I’d love to have that guy auditing taxes or elections for a living.

    Too bad we have zero media attention. A column every couple days by Lefty Dave Postman doesn’t count.

  59. 68

    torridjoe spews:

    I HAVE read his stuff–it’s almost all worthless. I read it every day, closely, for a good couple of months. You can note where I kept track of Sharkansky’s proclamations at
    http://alsoalso.typepad.com

    Look under the Political Horserace topic mostly, some under Legal/court Rulings.

    He’s sloppy, he’s a cherry picker, he doesn’t let the facts get in the way of his preconceived notions…I mean, the way he was bitchslapped around by the lawyers and Logan’s office in his two court challenges was just embarassing–and I predicted both beforehand.

    Postman did an excellent job with the last hearing, IMO. He didn’t make the mistake of writing that the proportional analysis, and he laid out the six standards for accepting illegal ballots. Much better than most, especially the places that just ran Rebecca Cook’s AP wire story.

  60. 69

    chardonnay spews:

    oh tj, you are just pissed at shark because he exposed to everyone one day that your ip address was owned by Portland DOT. You are a govmint worker.
    same with headless lucy (seattle school dist) and some other dude from city of bellevue. All posting all day on the tax payers dime.

  61. 70

    Goldy spews:

    Righton @everywhere,

    What Stefan has been very good at is creating a lot of noise about potential problems in the November election… some of it due to actually sloppy work, and some if it due to the fact that Stefan doesn’t really understand the procedures. What he hasn’t been very good at is proving illegal votes, fraud or conspiracy. He hasn’t uncovered a scrap of evidence that suggests that Rossi really won this election. And that is exactly what Rossi must prove… through clear and convincing evidence.

    He’s done a great job of stirring passions and inflating the hopes of those on your side of the divide. And I hate to admit it, but he’s also contributed greatly to the somewhat successful GOP PR campaign to paint this election as a “total mess” and stolen by Democrats. But almost nothing he’s uncovered will be used in court.

    The law simply isn’t on Stefan’s side.

  62. 71

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    Goldy–
    I believe Stefan understands the procedures perfectly.
    You are still on the “bandwagon” that KingCo and Logan are on solid ground and that it’s perfectly ok that Logan sannot even come close to matching the number of names of voters with the number of ballots counted. You claim (and Bridges agrees apparently) that the voter crediting process isn’t designed for that. But the fact is Goldy, some County Auditors do it as a matter of standard operating procedure. They want to be certain every ballot issued and every ballot received are accounted for.
    You can continue to point to the voter credit process as something that is essentially in your mind MEANINGLESS. If 1800 NET more ballots were received than voters credited….that means that there are a whole lot of folks not credited. Aren’t you curious who they are Goldy???

  63. 72

    righton spews:

    Goldy,
    Sad thing is, Shark is the only one who understands the procedures. Go read the depositions of Dean and Bill. Tons of “i don’t knows” in there. Imagine if your CPA or attorney did that to you…”where’d that deduction come from, gee, duh, i don’t know, guess you owe a fine…”

  64. 74

    Puddybud spews:

    Yeah, like Bill Clinton:

    “depends on what the meaning of is , is” Did you all forget that he was in favor of the Internet Censorship bill? More than half of you people on HA would be muted if he got his way. Oh yeah you forgot that one.

    Pudster

  65. 75

    Bold Babe spews:

    Keep at Raymond Shaw Reagan Dunn, Goldy. I moved from Seattle to North Bend last year for a job and I can’t believe the kind of crap the Rs on the King County Council are throwing out over this election stuff.

    Democrats can cream Hammond in November with the right candidate. Reagan’s machine is another story. I think I’ll print buttons “Dems for Hammond”.