Election contest dissonance

Oh my God… another 50 uncounted ballots have been discovered in incredibly corrupt and incompetent King County. No wait… they were discovered in Pierce County. Sorry. But King County Elections did just stunningly reveal another 164 unverified provisional ballots… oh wait… that was in Pierce County too. But there were another 37 unverified provisionals, right? Um… yeah… but that was in heavily pro-Rossi Benton County.

Wait… I’m confused. I’ve been reading the right-wing blogs and listening to talk radio, so I thought only Democratic King County made mistakes. My brain hurts!

Comments

  1. 1

    Erik spews:

    But there were another 37 unverified provisionals, right? Um… yeah… but that was in heavily pro-Rossi Benton County.

    That’s surprising as many of the eastern counties didn’t even check signatures for absentee ballots, they just accepted them all. No wonder their numbers looked so good.

  2. 2

    Chuck spews:

    No better reason to have a final election. Come on boys, aint your gal up for it? Give it a shot…. You KNOW that she will win…again….dont you?????

  3. 3

    jpgee spews:

    Chuck, when are you going to learn how to read and finally understand that there is no such remedy as a ‘revote’ in the Washington State Laws?

  4. 4

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    The Judge’s rulings on May 2nd will establish who the heavy favorite is on the betting lines boy’s & girl’s….(and boy’s who act like girls..almost forgot about you jpgee!).

    Chuck is right. This is why the Dems were in a dilemma. Sure there are mistakes in other parts of the State. The Dems didn’t know if pursuing that avenue would help or hurt them. So they sat back and MAY be too late…we’ll see boys & girls & jpgee.

    However, the overwhelming negligence was is KingCo. Even Logan admits he doesn’t know who actually won. Governor Owen will do just fine until the next election.

  5. 6

    jpgee spews:

    In reality, this court case in the merry month of May is more like a ‘grand jury investigation’. The final result will be given by the Supreme Court……and thankfully, they do not seem to be as ‘extremist’ as our resident RepTrollIcans

  6. 7

    Scott spews:

    If only the repukelicans had been this interested in voting justice during the 2000 Presidential election……..

    Oh well, I guess they’re interested in the rule of law, except when they’re not!

  7. 8

    Franklin Pierce spews:

    Of course the Republicans are not and have never been about the rule of law. Neither have the Democrats.

    Both continue to do or say whatever they think will help them hold onto or get hold of the governor’s office.

    It’s what you’d expect and it’s what they are doing.

    Hurrah for our wonderful political system which allows self-centered behavior to be wrapped in legal arguments (that vary and waiever depending on the issue at hand…not the underlying law).

  8. 9

    Wingo Nut Job spews:

    Ha! Ha! Ha! King County King County Ha! Ha! Ha!

    Only Only Only King County!!! Ha! Ha! Ha!

    Must have the precioussss. We wants it!!!!

  9. 10

    AllHatAndNoHorse spews:

    CynicalBlindMan,
    about as correct in your beliefs, as is chuck, you are.
    the average error rate in the u.s., is 2%.
    Are we near 2%?
    2%=56,000 errors.
    thats average.
    Could it be when the supreme court looks at this ridiculous challenge, they will apply the law of averages, and compare errors here to errors overall, without proof of deliberate criminal activity?

    http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/120204Y.shtml
    http://www.abqjournal.com/opin.....-17-04.htm
    http://americaforsale.org/mt/archives/000131.php
    http://www.usatoday.com/news/p.....rors_x.htm
    http://www.usatoday.com/news/p.....akes_x.htm
    Wishful thinking, will not get rossi the nod.

  10. 11

    dj spews:

    Chuck @ 2

    “You KNOW that she will win…again….dont you?”

    Doesn’t matter. . . she won last November.

  11. 12

    Ben Schiendelman spews:

    It would be nice if both teams would bother to clean up our act (which the elections bill passed does not do) to the extent that next time, we’d know, either way.

  12. 13

    robbed spews:

    I’d like to hear the response to the dem argument that the election result should stand because NONE the counties could count votes accurately !! Goldy, you are sounding more and more like Rossi’s attornies ….

  13. 15

    Goldy spews:

    Robbed @12,

    I have stated in the past , in great detail, that our election statutes prefer finality over certainty for the very pragmatic reason that otherwise, all close elections would end up being litigated. The statutes implicitly acknowledge that elections are flawed, but accept the final result. Indeed, when elections end in a tie, we don’t hold a new election, even though uncertainty over the winner is absolute; instead these elections are usually settled by lot (or in the case of the governor, by the Legislature.)

    In the end, the only thing extraordinary about this election was its extraordinary closeness.

    What I continue to find amazing is that Rossi supports will on the one hand argue that this election is so screwed up that we can’t determine the winner… and on the other hand argue that “we wuz robbed!” If Rossi can prove that he was robbed, the election will be tossed out. Otherwise, he’ll have another shot in 2008.

    That may not seem fair, but that is the law. Nobody said life is fair. (A motto the Republican party seems to live by these days in its platform.)

  14. 16

    jpgee spews:

    Goldy, your above mentioned comments still ring true. Especially since Rossi declared he will not run for Senate in 2006. Well then again, with all the Republican % of keeping their word and honesty, he will definitely run for the Senate in 2006

  15. 17

    robbed spews:

    we righties have had to listen to you whiners re Florida since 2000. dems can dish it, but not take a tiny bit back. and you wonder why we call you (accurately) whiners ??

    you’ve got the WA Supreme Court to save you. but previously didn’t you say Bridges would toss the Rossi case out immediately? now you are depending on acceptance of errors to keep gregoire in office.

    should the Supremes prove political as I suspect, then I promise to only whine for 3 years vs who knows how many years for dems. you certainly can’t claim gregoire legitimately won. only that at the end of a large number of errors in many counties, judge(s) let a f’d up mess “stand”.

    come 2008, it may well be gregoire should stay in office and pull another billion+ of phony budget stunts to claim “balance”. by the time the dems get done with NEVER funding state pensions anymore and raiding trust funds, your party will deserve the rebuke due it. gregoire will deserve her level of state pension funding for her own pension: NOTHING. same as locke deserves.

  16. 18

    Marilyn spews:

    Oh scheist, oh dear, another county reporting errors!

    Now, a rough proportional analysis of those counties who’ve admitted to problems: Whitman, Stevens, Adams, Walla Walla, King, and Pierce (Pierce went for Rossi 50.79 to 46.76 percent) Rossi ends up losing so many votes that it all but wipes out his initial purported 260 “win”. Oh dear, oh dear, poor, poor, Dino.

  17. 19

    AllHatAndNoHorse spews:

    I’ll say it.
    Gregoire legitimately won, as per law, she did.
    Acceptance of errors, is not specific to wa., it isn’t.
    Error rates for the u.s. are 2%, they are.
    When repubs. have nothing else to say, they accuse judges of being corrupt, they do.
    if florida had counted the overvotes which had the box checked, and the nominee’s name written in, gore would have won by 50,000 votes, he would.
    A clear cut case of election fraud, it was.
    Now you make things up to win, you do.
    Whine, you will. Not loud enough to suit me. I want to hear you whine, all the way from florida.
    whine robby, whine, you will.
    please be here in 2008, when gregoire gets reelected.
    Like to hear you whine some more, I would.

  18. 20

    CynicalSucks spews:

    judge(s) let a f’d up mess “stand”

    This election was just fine for all the other offices on the ballot save the governor.

    It would have been just fine for governor as well if you, robbed, manned a phone bank or canvassed for your neighborhood for lazy R’s that didn’t want to bother to vote. That goes for all the other whiners and sore losers who waste their energy on this comment board.

    Did you cut a check to the WSRP during the last election cycle, robbed? If so, those are the people who robbed you.

  19. 21

    robbed spews:

    19: like I said: you lefties are still whining re Florida. as per your post. too dang bad. you can keep WA. Bush is Prez. whiner.

  20. 22

    dj spews:

    robbed @ 16

    “but previously didn’t you say Bridges would toss the Rossi case out immediately?”

    What I recall was a lively debate where it was pointed out that the standards for hearing a case are significantly lower than the standards for overturning the election.

    “now you are depending on acceptance of errors to keep gregoire in office.”

    Not at all. . . Gregoire is in office because she won the election according to the procedures set down in the RCW.

    “you certainly can’t claim gregoire legitimately won.”

    I claim Gregoire legitimately won. Proof: she is in office.

    “only that at the end of a large number of errors in many counties, judge(s) let a f’d up mess ‘stand’.”

    Shit happens! This election, like all of its magnitude, had errors, even if they were a tiny fraction of the total votes. The law is crystal clear on how we identify the winner regardless of these typical errors.

    Now, show that there was electoral fraud, and you may have something. Why do I say “may”? Because, as I have been saying all along, the Republicans had the greatest motivation for fraud in this election. (I am not saying there was fraud, only that IF there was fraud it would almost certainly favor a Republican).

  21. 23

    chardonnay spews:

    electoral fraud? how about the KC election workers printing ballots when ever they pleased and taking them home.

  22. 24

    robbed spews:

    22. good post by you but some quibbles: I do believe several posters stated that the Rossi case would end the first day in Bridge’s court.

    so you must accept Bush was the legitimate winner in 2000 since he assumed office.

    if the law is so crystal, why is Rossi’s case still alive?

    why do repubs have any greater incentive for fraud? more dems are “lifetime” government hacks.

  23. 25

    AllHatAndNoHorse spews:

    dj,

    the evidence points to some intent, they wanted to supress votes while ahead, they did.
    rossi lost his lead, and then they decide to count every vote, they do.

  24. 26

    AllHatAndNoHorse spews:

    CharredBrainCells,

    flinging poo at the wall contest, has already been completed. the clear winner, you are.

  25. 27

    chardonnay spews:

    isn’t this election contest bungholing really about the democrats getting it in the ass, again?
    seriously folks, admit it you have been losing for a long time. that just bites. come monday we will see just how being up your ass will pay off for us. can you confess this is one anal exam you do not enjoy?
    I wonder how dead-air amerika is enjoying the anal exam it is getting from the secret service. Like I said before, everyday is Christmas. God I love life.

  26. 28

    AllHatAndNoHorse spews:

    CharredCrackWhore,

    obsessed with cavity penetration, you are.
    including god, and anal invasion in the same sentence, defines you well, it does.
    sounds like you’re lacking any recent cavity invasions, you are.
    not surprising no one wants to invade your cavity , it isn’t.
    suggest you fill the oral cavity with something besides god and anal, i do.

  27. 29

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    Counting illegal votes is more than a simple clerical error my little Pinheaded LEFTISTS. There must be some form of relief.
    As I’ve said many times before…if there is no reasonable relief, someone could intentionally stuff ballotboxes with illegal votes and what, there is no relief??? Just, oh well??

    These illegal votes have been comingled. They cannot be pulled out. They are of the magnitude that they APPEAR to have impacted the result by the margin of victory PLUS.

    And my LEFTIST PINHEADS, remember…on Monday the Judge will rule on what 12th hour evidence the Dems are allowed to drag in. This is a legal contest. The Dems needed to follow the law too. There are LEGAL ISSUES about the timing of allegations & presenting evidence. The R’s say, SORRY YOU ARE TOO LATE.
    The Judge will rule and the LEFTIST PINHEADS will go crazy.

    The Judge will also rule about proportional analysis…must the R’s actually prove who each illegal ballot was cast for when all these illegal ballots are comingled. If the Judge says the R’s must prove specifically….then I guess the only option is to depose each illegal voter…as crazy as that sounds.

  28. 30

    Stop their CATerwauling, spay/neuter ALL Pet Libs spews:

    I claim Gregoire legitimately won. Proof: she is in office.-Comment by dj— 4/28/05 @ 8:48 am

    I claim George Bush legitimately won. Proof: he is in office.
    I claim Dick Cheney legitimately won. Proof: he is in office.
    I claim Republican Senators legitimately won. Proof: they are in office.
    I claim Republican Memebers of the House of Representatives won. Proof: they are in office.
    I claim Don Rumsfeld legitimately won. Proof: he is in office.
    I claim Condy Rice legitimately won. Proof: she is in office.
    I claim Alberto Gonzalez legitimately won. Proof: he is in office.

  29. 31

    AllHatAndNoHorse spews:

    CynicalDipshit,

    how many illegal votes are there?
    If they allow illegal votes removed from king, they will also from other counties, they will.
    Rossi will lose by a greater margin, he will.

  30. 32

    Stop their CATerwauling, spay/neuter ALL Pet Libs spews:

    Rossi will lose by a greater margin, he will. -Comment by AllHatAndNoHorse— 4/28/05 @ 9:41 am

    Do mantra’s actually work?

  31. 34

    Stop their CATerwauling, spay/neuter ALL Pet Libs spews:

    Snappy comeback – and it only took you 10 min! WTG!!

  32. 35

    dj spews:

    robbed @ 24

    “I do believe several posters stated that the Rossi case would end the first day in Bridge’s court.”

    I don’t doubt it. They must have missed the regular Sunday night Horsesass Official Liberal Consensus Meeting. Their comments were unsanctioned. :-)

    “so you must accept Bush was the legitimate winner in 2000 since he assumed office.”

    Yep. . . he was in the Whitehouse, alright.

    “if the law is so crystal, why is Rossi’s case still alive?”

    Because he file a law suit, and the case has not been argued yet.

    “why do repubs have any greater incentive for fraud?

    (Disclaimer: I am not a Democrat, so if a Democrat wants to dispute what I say on their behalf, dig in!)

    Because Democrats were blissfully ignorant of how close the race was. To most Democrats, the Governors race was of secondary interest. They were obsessed with toppling Shrub. I think most Democrats felt that WA would break for Kerry, and if Kerry took WA, the Governors race would take care if itself. The Republicans, as the underdogs, may have seen light at the end of the tunnel in the Governors race, and may have decided to give Rossi a boost.

    Of course, we must consider that IF there was fraud, it may not have been fraud designed to change the Governors race. Perhaps the Republicans thought they could eek out a victory for Bush? Or maybe there were fundamentalist fanatics cheating to prevent the Gambling Initiative from passing, and Rossi got an ancillary boost out of it.

    “more dems are “lifetime” government hacks.”

    Really? Where did you get this statistic (or is it just a cheap shot)? But, even if so, how is this relevant?

  33. 38

    robbed spews:

    government workers are union and dominantly dem. unlike clinton who is just a govt hack, Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld etc are private sector guys on hiatus. same with Rossi vs gregoire, although Rossi seems intent on elective office these days.

    my thinking is that someone whose working life is all govt. may be more desperate to hang onto that job. like an AG blaming an underling for an $18 million failure to file.

    in any event, I don’t claim fraud. I don’t think gregoire ordered logan to stuff ballot boxes, etc. although some “locals” may well have. I was responding to the case of repubs being more likely re fraud. I don’t buy that one at all. you are welcome to eat it up if you wish, however. doesn’t rub me too wrong. or rather, I have bigger issues than intent.

    like bookkeeping shenanigans…and claiming “balance !!” the dems have shown they will and are doing what Rossi voters feared they would do: tax and spend. and not fund pensions and raid trust funds.

  34. 39

    dj spews:

    Cynicalmoron @ 29

    “Counting illegal votes is more than a simple clerical error my little Pinheaded LEFTISTS.”

    If you can prove that, then you have a case, don’t ya. But, since we know that errors happen with a small fraction of votes in any well run, large election, you will have to do more than whine.

    “As I’ve said many times before…if there is no reasonable relief, someone could intentionally stuff ballotboxes with illegal votes and what, there is no relief???”

    No, “relief” will prevent your bladder from exploding. It will not prevent someone from trying to cheat. Anybody conspiring to commit voter fraud already knows that it is a felony.

    People cannot intentionally stuff ballot boxes at will because the election is an open process observed by political parties and interested citizens. People who intentionally stuff ballots run a high risk of being caught. And, unless they have ESP, they cannot know the election will be incredibly close but a loss for their side. And unless they know they will lose by a very small margin, there is little chance of them taking great risks. It is easier and far less risky to recruit more voters.

    “These illegal votes have been comingled. They cannot be pulled out.”

    As happens every election.

    “They are of the magnitude that they APPEAR to have impacted the result by the margin of victory PLUS.”

    No they don’t. On the face of it, in an election with an almost 50/50 vote split, the errors ought to split 50/50 and have no bearing on the election. Of course, if you can prove otherwise. . . .

  35. 40

    dj spews:

    Eugenics @ 30

    “I claim George Bush legitimately won. Proof: he is in office.
    I claim Dick Cheney legitimately won. Proof: he is in office.
    I claim Republican Senators legitimately won. Proof: they are in office.
    I claim Republican Memebers of the House of Representatives won. Proof: they are in office.”

    I accept your claims and evidence.

    “I claim Don Rumsfeld legitimately won. Proof: he is in office.
    I claim Condy Rice legitimately won. Proof: she is in office.
    I claim Alberto Gonzalez legitimately won. Proof: he is in office. “

    Won what, you dolt? They weren’t running for office!

  36. 42

    steven spews:

    Cheney–private sector guy on hiatus? Let’s s see, I’ve attached a link to Cheney’s resume. His only private sector experience is when he was at Halliburton from 1995 to 2000. I wonder what qualified him as CEO of a major public company? Oh, it does a lot of business with the Feds. Gotcha.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D.....pointments

    At least Rumsfeld was actually in the private sector for some time, so we’ll give you 50% credit

  37. 43

    Stop their CATerwauling, spay/neuter ALL Pet Libs spews:

    Confirmation.

    You know the “election’ that confirms their legitamacy. That IS what they do in the Congress isn’t it? Vote?
    You know, the vote that goes along the party lines ‘of Bush wants it so we say “No”‘, you dolt.

  38. 44

    robbed spews:

    41: same

    42: running a major co. is hardly no private sector experience. I see Daley doing so at SBC. makes a person broader and more informed. also Cheney never campaigned for office the last 2 times beyond being asked to be Bush’s v.p. Gore was vp because he couldn’t be prez then, and wanted to be later. fortunately, he is now getting further broadening experiences instead.

  39. 46

    dj spews:

    But robbed @ 44,

    You said @ 24 that “more dems are “lifetime” government hacks.” Is this just some bullshit you’ve pulled out of your ass? It seems like this kind of statement can be backed up with facts. Can you provide any references or links?

    And why did we go down this path? Because you suggested that this is somehow related to election fraud. Even if we agree that this election was not about fraud, why, in general, would the political affiliation composition of government workers be related to which party is more likely to engage in fraud?

    Are you trying to suggest that a compulsion to commit fraud hits people randomly, or something like that?

  40. 47

    Alan spews:

    Goldy, don’t forget that Gregoire led Rossi by 16 percentage points in KC, but Rossi’s lead over Gregoire was double that percentage in many of the GOP counties, so under proportional analysis, a miscounted ballot in Benton County should offset 2 miscounted ballots in KC.

  41. 48

    spews:

    chard @ 23 & 45

    in what way does blank ballots being taken home constitute fraud??

    and are you as excited about the electoral fraud trial of Bush’s campaign manager for all of New England? The one where two associates have already been convicted and fingered him?

  42. 49

    Erik spews:

    No better reason to have a final election. Come on boys, aint your gal up for it? Give it a shot…. You KNOW that she will win…again….dont you?????

    I agree. In another three and a half years.

  43. 50

    dj spews:

    chardonnay @ 23

    “how about the KC election workers printing ballots when ever they pleased and taking them home.”

    So what. They were selling them on Ebay as a revenue source to reduce taxes. You mean that YOU, chardonnay, have not yet gone to Ebay, picked up a KC 2004 election ballot, framed it, and hung it over your fireplace?

  44. 51

    Stop the Whistling spews:

    Well, uncounted ballots are not a good thing no matter where they occur, unless they are UNVERIFIED as well. And the Benton County unverified ballots–are you objecting to that? Would you want to “just count them like we do in King County?”

  45. 52

    Stop the Whistling spews:

    jpgee-whiz @ 3–Actually, if you read your Constitution, you will find the state provides a very nice way to do so–or a very nice way to get your gal out of office for a year or permanently. Again, I am not willing to do your homework for you, but I at least mentioned the document you need to study–have at it!

  46. 53

    Stop the Whistling spews:

    Snott @ 7–“If only the repukelicans had been this interested in voting justice during the 2000 Presidential election……..” Just like King County and Olympia were caring about the irregularities known in nearly every election in Washington state history? May I remind you it is not the “Repugs” that were in the caring majority you speak so fondly of. Ask your folks why they were so slow on the draw….sorry, obligatory gun reference.

  47. 54

    Stop the Whistling spews:

    DJ @ 11–I still find it strange that she thought his leads were too close to count, but hers was not. Explain that to me. Was it just that 1 out of 3 is good enough?

  48. 56

    Stop the Whistling spews:

    PJ’s @ 16–Why should he run for Senator when he may well be Governor before then?

  49. 57

    Stop the Whistling spews:

    Marilyn @ 18–Maybe he is still ahead when you consider the 300 ballots all bearing the same handwriting (for Greg-ore) and checked by a state licensed handwriting expert and pronounced fraudulent.

  50. 58

    Stop the Whistling spews:

    DJ @ 22—“IF there was fraud it would almost certainly favor a Republican.”

    ??????!!!!!!!!! I can’t wait to see your proof on this one! I await your response.

  51. 59

    Stop the Whistling spews:

    Char @ 23–“electoral fraud? how about the KC election workers printing ballots when ever they pleased and taking them home.”

    This would account for the 300 bearing the same signatur and handwriting. Wonder if we ought to have the lection workers take a certified handwriting analysis?

  52. 60

    spews:

    STW @ 52, 57
    I’ve read both the Constitution and the RCW multiple times as it applies to this case, and I must admit I am stumped as to what you may be referring to. The RCW and Constitution are clear–governors are elected with the state legislature, in even numbered years. If the election is set aside, the judiciary cannot order a revote. The legislature can, but may not do so until November 2006.

    As for your allegation of fraud, source please?

  53. 61

    Stop the Whistling spews:

    AllHate @ 25–Referring to the Republicans, you said “and then they decide to count every vote”. Excuse me if I have to remind you WHO asked for the recounts (Greg-ores’ groupies) and PAID for the last one (John Kerry). Stick that in your pipe along with whatever else you’ve been smoking.

  54. 63

    spews:

    stw @ 61
    Gregoire asked for one recount, not two. One was automatic. And she opted to seek a recount of the entire state, giving all WA voters the benefit of the increased manual scrutiny.

  55. 64

    Stop the Whistling spews:

    AllHate: “If they allow illegal votes removed from king, they will also from other counties, they will.
    Rossi will lose by a greater margin, he will. ”

    And this hurts you how….?

  56. 66

    Stop the Whistling spews:

    DJ @ 35–“Or maybe there were fundamentalist fanatics cheating to prevent the Gambling Initiative”. Is that ahet crime statement? Just wondering if I should expect to file a lawsuit as a minority under attack.

  57. 68

    dj spews:

    Whistling @ numerous places

    That is a lot of babbling where, once again, you seem to not understand the original post. Kick the speed habit, Whistling.

    @ 66

    You mean “a hatE crime statement?” Sort-of. It was a hypothetical hate crime statement. Please consider filing a hypothetical lawsuit.

    I can give you the names of some good lawyers working in this area.

  58. 69

    Stop the Whistling spews:

    TJ @ 48–“in what way does blank ballots being taken home constitute fraud??” Well, maybe it was just taking their work home with them?

    “…and are you as excited about the electoral fraud trial of Bush’s campaign manager for all of New England? The one where two associates have already been convicted and fingered him?”
    Seems I missed this one? Tell me where to read about it.

  59. 72

    Stop the Whistling spews:

    “”….she opted to seek a recount of the entire state, giving all WA voters the benefit of the increased manual scrutiny.”

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! I was THERE in Oly when the legislature said she would be put in office until the COURTS decided. Two days later they found out that Chelan County was where it would happen and they panicked and said, ‘no, no, no! The legislature is where we decide this, not the courts!’ Can you say 180?

    She also fought the recount in ALL areas of Washington–she only wanted it in KC, cause she couldn’t pad all areas of the state, just there!

  60. 73

    Stop the Whistling spews:

    TJ @ 65–It was open news that 1/4 million dollars came from Kerry to do the LAST recount at their request! And I guess you were also unaware that Kerry and Murray are funding her defense fund (Not my choice of words–it was in the MSM)?

  61. 74

    Chuck spews:

    I think that there are two Chucks on now…no biggie we both seem to have our heads on straight. Goldy you remind me of the guy that got caught running a redlight and while the cop writes the citation you start pointing at cars…that guy ran it yesterday… Reality check is that King County is the dirtiest most corrupt elections department in the state!

  62. 75

    spews:

    stw @ 72
    I’m not sure what relevance the legislature and the venue have to do with the scope of the recount. The latter took place, quite obviously, long before the former had anything to say about it at all.

  63. 77

    spews:

    chuck @ 74
    the point is that the claim is being made that King’s errors were out of normal range. To answer that claim, you must by nature either look at King’s errors in the past, or errors made by other localities. Your police analogy doesn’t work in that context.

  64. 78

    Stop the Whistling spews:

    DJ @ 68–Yeah, Speed can get you into real trouble…..

    “you seem to not understand the original post. ” Do tell.

    “You mean “a hatE crime statement? Sort-of. It was a hypothetical hate crime statement.” Seems I DID understand after all, DJ.

  65. 79

    Stop the Whistling spews:

    TJ @ 70–Thanks for the reference. Sounds like this judge has already decided, doesn’t it? Also, if we apply the same standards as with the Rossi case, it aint over till the fat lady sings.

  66. 80

    dj spews:

    Whistling @ 78

    ‘“you seem to not understand the original post. ” Do tell.’

    Be happy to. My post was to “Whistling @ numerous places”. You
    have, at numerous places, been doing nothing short of babbling. It appears you misinterpret, misread, or misunderstand the original post. Some of your responses are unintelligible. Some completely lack merit.

    ‘You mean “a hatE crime statement? Sort-of. It was a hypothetical hate crime statement.” Seems I DID understand after all’

    Well, then, best wishes to you with the hypothetical lawsuit.

  67. 81

    spews:

    stw @ 79
    if by waiting you mean to imply that Tobin might be innocent, fair enough–he’s under indictment; he hasn’t been convicted. On the other hand, two underlings HAVE been convicted, and appear to have named him as the ringleader. In any case, Clinton’s finance person is also only under indictment at this stage as well, so my counterexample should be equivalent.

  68. 82

    AllHatAndNoHorse spews:

    YourAssIsWhistling@61

    all legal counts and recounts were done in order to count every vote accurately, something the republicans, tried to stop.
    When they realized they actually lost, they decided to count every vote they could find.
    Up until they realized they were going to lose, they wanted to supress votes, and tried to get gregoire to concede.
    repubs. never wanted a fair election, they wanted to win, they did.
    At any cost, they will.

  69. 83

    AllHatAndNoHorse spews:

    YouAssIsWhistling@64

    AllHate: “If they allow illegal votes removed from king, they will also from other counties, they will.
    Rossi will lose by a greater margin, he will. ”

    And this hurts you how….?

    Comment by Stop the Whistling

    makes the point , it does.
    makes your guy lose , it will.
    makes me happy, it does.

  70. 84

    chardonnayWasDebbieDoesDallas spews:

    chardonnay @ 45 Congratulations….you finally got excited. Good for you after these past 13.5 years with no male companionship (except for your black labrador) Miracles do happen…even to street walking drug addicts.

  71. 88

    dj spews:

    AllHat @ 86

    “Shrub sure looks like a fuckin moron on the tube tonight, he does.”

    He sure did. His smirk was more nervous than usual tonight. Did you notice how he distanced himself from the religous right-wingnuts? It sounded like he was reading right out of an ACLU manual! I guess he knows about how bad is approval rating is right now.

  72. 89

    Alan spews:

    And then somebody asked him what’s causing the partisan environment in D.C. and he said he didn’t know and is “disappointed” that Dems and Reps don’t get along better.

    This all reminds me of his post-election victory speech when he invited Democrats to the negotiating table — to negotiate their unconditional surrender, of course.

  73. 91

    Alan spews:

    And Bush himself sounds like he’s getting a new religion. It’s called e-n-e-r-g-y-c-o-n-s-e-r-v-a-t-i-o-n. He’s been against it for the last 4 years.

    Here’s what Clinton has to do with high gas prices: Nothing.

    Here’s what is causing high gas prices:

    1. Wal-Mart is importing lots of stuff from China, and the Chinese are using the money to buy cars.

    2. Bush’s deficit spending is devaluing the dollar, causing oil producers to charge more per barrel of oil.

    3. Bush did nothing to discourage gas guzzlers, pushing up U.S. consumption.

  74. 92

    Alan spews:

    Oh, and then Bush blamed Congress for not passing an energy bill.

    Here’s who is in charge of Congress: Republicans

    Here’s what Bush’s energy bill will do to bring gas prices down: Nothing

    Here’s what Bush’s energy bill will do:

    1. Take money from taxpayers and give it to oil companies in return for nothing.

    2. Give oil companies immunity from lawsuits for polluting drinking water.

  75. 93

    dj spews:

    Alan @ 91

    Indeed. And just to make it crystal clear. . . .

    1 (a). Chinese cars use petroleum products, increasing demand for oil, causing oil prices to rise.

  76. 94

    GS spews:

    Yes what the states economy really needed was 9.5 cents a gallon gas tax increase (now the third highest in the nation). I’m sure the truckers and shipping companies will just absorb this and not pass the added costs on additionally to the citizens of this state.

    Not to mention California’s Emmission Standards, so every car can cost $1000 to $3000 more ($100 – $300 more in state sales tax). Every car can now be tested (and per the rules, any excess testing fees, and there will be, will be deposited in the General fund) and every failing car must be fixed (additional sales taxes on all repair bills)

    Nothing but another Windfall for goverment spending and excess!

    Just a continual Screwing of the Citizens of this state!

    Oink Oink

  77. 95

    jpgee spews:

    GS @ all what would you rather have your governor do? Follow the lead of the Republicans in Washington D.C.? And just spend the money, give tax breaks to the ‘elite’ and place the state in its worst financial situation in its history? What is your ‘almight’ answer? Tax and spend is a huge relief from Spend and Spend of the Republican Administration in D.C..