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RedReformed spews:
The $15 minimum wage was supposed to hurt New York City restaurants — but both revenue and employment are up
Prices are up, but that hasn’t stopped people from eating out
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-15-minimum-wage-was-supposed-to-hurt-new-york-city-restaurants-but-both-revenue-and-employment-are-up-2019-10-28
“If we pay people enough to afford food, food sellers will lose money!”
This is what every argument for keeping minimum wage at starvation levels boils down to.
The economy works like a pot of water. If you want it to boil, you should apply the heat to the bottom, not the top.
@godwinha spews:
@ 1
From your link:
Perhaps the principal reason that the minimum wage increase did not seem to have a negative effect on the restaurant industry in New York is that the state’s economy is strong overall, so businesses have been able to absorb the increases without having to make hard decisions about where to cut.
Try the Fight for $15 in Yakima.
Eventually there will be a recession. We’ll see how well things hold up in the food service injury when people don’t have the money to eat out.
RedReformed spews:
You answered your own rhetorical question. When we suffer the trump recession, people won’t be able to go out to eat. Regardless if wages are 15 or 5 an hour
RedReformed spews:
Biggest Private Coal Miner Goes Bust After Trump Rescue Fails
>> sucks for the workers who voted for republicans who savaged their social safety nets.
Elijah Dominic McDotcom spews:
He has neither the full awareness of who exactly his political fellow travelers are, nor how little food costs.
These people don’t cook. Not that many people do anymore. Even in rural Trump America. They may not be dining white tablecloth or cracking open Blue Apron crates every week, but their dining routine bears no resemblance to the mythology of apple pies cooling on the window sill.
Steve spews:
There goes our $500K/Yr dumbfuck radiologist again, upset that the minimum wage waiters and waitresses he stiffs for tips are making too much fucking money.
How’s the treasoning going today, Doctor? Not so well? I’m not surpised. After all, your hyde is going to be nailed to the wall again today.
“I did not think it was proper to demand that a foreign government investigate a U.S. citizen”
“This would all undermine U.S. national security.”
https://static.politico.com/69/13/cdffb8a4420a8a4d8a65439570f2/vindman-statement-final.pdf
I think we can all see now what you fucks meant by “Deep State”. It’s what you traitors call the loyal, patriotic Americans who serve in our government and military and who stand between you fucking traitors and the tyranny you would impose on our beloved country.
Steve spews:
I love that some of the most epic and funniest take-downs of Doctor Dumbfuck, his orange moron and their gang of Putin-lovin’ traitors come from Republicans who still retain a shred of loyalty to our country.
S.E. Cupp tweets,
For that one tweet alone, I hereby forgive S.E. Cupp her transgressions. Go forth and never sin again.
Roger Rabbit spews:
@2 A lesson in dumbfuck economics from a dumbfuck:
“Eventually there will be a recession. We’ll see how well things hold up in the food service injury [sic] when people don’t have the money to eat out.”
Real Economist Sez: Recessions hurt sales of everything, not just food service, and not because wages are too high, but because consumer spending power is too low.
Freudian Psychologist Sez: I just saw the real Doctor Dumbfuck in this slip. Yes, he stiffs waiters and waitresses, but what he really wants to do is take a ball bat to them for committing the crime of being poor and having to work several jobs to make ends meet.
Roger Rabbit Sez: I think it’s simpler than that, guys. He’s just a tightwad and cheapskate with no empathy for his fellow human beings.* No more complicated than that.
(* This is why they parked him in the radiology lab, where he’d never come in contact with patients.)
Roger Rabbit spews:
A Trump supporter is someone who refuses to tip the waiter because he’s gay and rubs it in by writing on the receipt that he’s going to burn in Hell for being gay, goes to a church on Sundays where the pastor preaches that gays should be put to death by stoning, and then claims to be an American patriot and a better Christian than you.
I’llHaveAPilsner spews:
@2
If you listen to ’Ohio’ 900 times four kids are dead every single time.
If you did it in Yakima the kids who work at Miners will spend the extra money at a Taqueria or McDonalds. The owner of that MacDonalds will spend his profits on maybe a new 100” screen at WallMart. The WallMart workers with more leftover after rent might buy the set of new tires they’ve been putting off. The Les Schwab owner maybe gets a boat and gasses it up all summer. The marine filling station owner…..
Weird how you don’t understand the relationship of labor and demand For goods and services within a capitalist system.
It’s the paragraphs from Adam Smith the conservatives pretend isn’t there.
Alpha Omega spews:
The Democrats need to get on with sabotaging the market and the economy if they expect to win in 2020. Right now, candidates like Red Bernie and Pocahontas Liz ain’t gonna cut it in 2020 unless the country is in the economic shitter. They need chaos to advance.
Roger Rabbit spews:
From the Seattle Times’ daily brief (you get this via free email subscription):
“Anne Frank was ‘a happy little girl with a nice family.’ Holocaust survivor Eva Schloss, stepsister of one of the most iconic figures in Jewish history, will speak next week at UW about ‘how cruel people were’ — and how ‘we really haven’t learned anything.'”
Well, some of us have, because we went out of our way to learn that history and try to keep it from repeating itself. But there are still plenty of people who aren’t curious, don’t learn, know nothing, and embrace racism, hate, and cruelty as a way to run the world. Trump and his supporters instantly come to mind. ?Whenever I see video of Trump rallies, I’m always struck by how much they resemble old movie footage of Nazi rallies. Some things, and some people, never change.
Roger Rabbit spews:
@11 See what I mean? It takes hard work to be so ignorant. Where do they get the energy from?
Roger Rabbit spews:
@10 Not to mention the fact that labor creates all the wealth in the economy. Sure, it also requires capital and know-how, plus a good idea and a successful business model, but workers do all of the actual wealth creation. Without workers to produce actual goods and services, capital would sit idle, and ideas and business models would never make it off paper.
And how do Republicans calling themselves capitalists respond to this? By underpaying workers, sometimes outright cheating them, disrespecting them and their work, etc. etc.
Seems to me that’s kinda like cutting their own dicks off, because without those workers they’d have nothing.
Steve spews:
@13 They revel in their ignorance and dumbfuckery. @11 was particularly lame. SAD!
Roger Rabbit spews:
Here’s another item from today’s Seattle Times daily brief:
“Join us tonight for a fun and dynamic evening organized by students. It will include voter registration and a panel about the Seattle School Board election. Bring all your ideas about improving schools to this event, at 5:30 p.m. at Youngstown Cultural Arts Center in Seattle.”
We”re so lucky to live in Washington. If we lived in a red state, where Republicans run things, trying to register voters would get you arrested and thrown in jail. We have freedoms here that people in those places can’t even imagine.
I’llHaveAPilsner spews:
Passing by the TV screen it’s striking how many ribbons and Commendations Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman is wearing.
He really must have committed early in life to the plot to infiltrate the NSC to bring down Trump. Almost like he knew at 17-18 Donald would be President someday. He had to do his duty for Mother Ukraine and he did it well.
RedReformed spews:
Team Trump Admits blocking Billions For Puerto Rico Disaster Recovery
https://www.dcreport.org/2019/10/24/team-trump-admits-holding-back-billions-for-puerto-rico-disaster-recovery/
I guess Puerto Rico didnt want to investigate Biden?
So when we get a democrat President, he can just let Alabama rot after hurricanes, right Republicans?
Because they obviously didn’t vote for a dem, so it’s fair to hurt them after a natural disaster, right?
Bastards need to go to jail in a for profit prison.
I’llHaveAPilsner spews:
Meanwhile over on
CCTVFox News dot Com the lead headline is an opinion piece by Newt Gingrich on how Lindsey boxed Speaker Pelosi into a corner on Impeachment.So you know things are going well for the GOP right now.
I’llHaveAPilsner spews:
I don’t think is going to play out the way Dumbfuck wants.
New poll,
Gabbard support
2% of Democrats
7% of independent
28% of Republicans
If 28% of GOP disappeared and 9% (assuming 2% + 7% votes HRC which is unlikely) of Dem votes disappeared…
DJT, 45,349,076
HRC, 59,936,697
There is no math that tells you Donald can lose 38% of GOP voters and survive.
States that were a win for him in 2016 under 20% margin:
Utah
Arizona
Alaska
Kansas
Texas
Wisconsin
Iowa
Missouri
Louisiana
Michigan
Ohio
Mississippi
Pennsylvania
North Carolina
South Carolina
Georgia
Florida
With Gabbard in the Race Donald would have 12 states that aren’t competitive, another 4 that are just under a 20% threshold and fighting like a dog to not get trounced 34-16.
Run Tulsi Run!
Roger Rabbit spews:
Republicans don’t even pretend to respect our selfless, patriotic, upstanding military folks anymore.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/29/politics/alexander-vindman-testimony-republicans/index.html
It’s not all bad; at least their contempt for our military is out in the open now, where everyone can see it.
Roger Rabbit spews:
Republicans keep passing unconstitutional laws and federal judges keep striking them down.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/29/politics/alabama-abortion-ban-blocked/index.html
The GOP is one of the best full-employment resources lawyers have.
RedReformed spews:
@19. I skimmed that Pravda article by Gingrinch. It seemed to be little more than the republicans moving the goal posts again.
This was funny. Like those two have any objectivity.
“Graham and McConnell have already had a big impact in just a few days. They are now poised to judge whether the Democrats’ proposed rules represent real fairness and real bipartisanship or are simply more of the same dishonest, secretive, one-sided baloney Schiff has served up so far.”
Next, Martin Bormann and Ludwig Fischer judge whether the Allies are going to represent real fairness and real bipartisanshipLudwig Fischer
Elijah Dominic McDotcom spews:
8,
The last GOP recession tore more than 12 trillion dollars out of household wealth. Not every small business survived that unforgivable Republican failure. But those that did refined their customer focus, tightened their belts, and searched for ways to deliver value without discounting price.
Neither Per Se nor Cracker Barrel folded. But today both companies offer expanded “value options” that customers continue to benefit from.
When I picture Teh Dumbfuck’s garage freezer, I see uniform tight stacks of boxed, prepared frozen entres bearing names like Emeril Lagasse and Wolfgang Puck.
Elijah Dominic McDotcom spews:
17,
When Vindman was 17, independent Ukraine was barely a year old, and Donald Trump was going into another bankruptcy.
TIME MUSHEEEEEN!!!!!
Elijah Dominic McDotcom spews:
“BALANCE” is not objectivity:
Lt. Col. Vindman’s opening testimony was published last night. And over night many corp media companies prepared their approach to covering his very damning testimony.
As part of their response, CNN had their brand new staff analyst former Congressman Sean Duffy on one of their morning broadcasts to provide his “perspective”. Following the FOX News example established last night, Duffy proceeded to accuse Lt. Col. Vindman of being a Ukrainian double agent, disloyal to the United States, and seeking to bring down president Russian SlutPuppet on behalf of the DERP STATE.
Later in the same program the co-host Berman then references Duffy – an employee of CNN – as being among “some of the president’s Republican allies” launching smears against Lt. Col. Duffy, which Berman then characterizes as “a pretty shocking statement to make”. A statement Berman invited Duffy to appear on the program in order to make, and that CNN paid him to make.
Objectively, rationally, OBVIOUSLY, there is not a single shred of evidence or even rumor that this highly decorated career Army officer is anything but completely loyal to his oath of service. An objective approach to coverage would not subject his reputation to this kind of smear for whatever reason. An objective approach to reporting the smears would reference them in the context of their falsehood without providing a vanity soap box for amplifying them. And an objective media company would not employ someone who engages in politically motivated public smear campaigns based on fabrications that intentionally harm the reputations of loyally serving officers or enlisted personnel. Doing so is disgraceful, and unethical.
CNN is quite simply shit. Not “journalism”. Not “media”. Not really even “entertainment”. And certainly not objective.
CNN is shit.
To watch such programs is to consume shit. “Balanced” shit perhaps. But still shit.
WTF!? spews:
And then is caught sucking horse cock.
Finished that for you.
Roger Rabbit spews:
@24 “When I picture Teh Dumbfuck’s garage freezer, I see uniform tight stacks of boxed, prepared frozen entres bearing names like Emeril Lagasse and Wolfgang Puck.”
Probably some poached venison, too. At least that’s what the freezer wrap labels would say (“venison,” not “poached venison”). But who knows what’s actually in those freezer bags? It might be missing neighborhood cats and dogs.
Roger Rabbit spews:
@27 Now how the hell did I overlook that? I guess I was distracted while typing that by watching Genius Investor Doctor Dumbfuck’s no-dividend stock go down another dollar today.
WTF!? spews:
Connecticut’s minimum wage is going to $15 by year 2023. That shitty no good taxpayers wasteland sure will be in a heap of trouble (sarcasm).
Massachusetts’ minimum wage will also go up to $15 by year 2023. But we all know Mass has great taxpayer wasteland that will have the same results as New York.
I know this makes no sense, because it is intended to make no sense, as post #2 makes no sense.
Steve spews:
“And then is caught sucking horse cock.”
To cut these people some slack, I think only a few of them actually suck horse cock. The rest of them are into goats, young teens, children and caged toddlers.
I consider that last one to be a rather disturbing recent development. It’s pretty obvious that today’s Republicans are letting it all hang out. There’s no holding back anymore. They’ve rolled the dice and now they’re determined to either rule by tyranny or die in prison.
I prefer they all die in prison.
WTF!? spews:
I bet the special sauce in the fridge is realllllllly special, if you know what I mean (wink, wink).
Roger Rabbit spews:
“Prominent Republicans joined Democrats on Tuesday in defending Army Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman against attacks from right-wing pundits who questioned his loyalty to the country ahead of his testimony in the House’s impeachment inquiry. The reaction came after Fox News host Laura Ingraham and others suggested Vindman … could be demonstrating disloyalty — and even potentially traitorous behavior — to the United States …. ‘I think that we need to show that we are better than that as a nation,’ Rep. Liz Cheney, R-Wyo., the third-ranking House Republican, said at a GOP leadership news conference Tuesday.”
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/lawmakers-both-sides-decry-attacks-lt-col-vindman-shameful-despicable-n1073381
Roger Rabbit Commentary: Man, if even Liz Cheney has a problem with it, you know for sure it reeks of rotting garbage.
WTF!? spews:
One other note – which could give some credence to Bob’s post @2.
In New York, largely NYC, business’ buy breakfast, brunch, lunch and dinner for their employees like it’s coffee and water. As I am sure is the case in every major city, and lesser but large cities. This could be accounting for the continued business regardless of the hourly wage limit. But this is probably true in smaller towns and cities that have any type of business base and not strictly farmland. Areas of just farmland could have an issue, but hey those motherfuckers have chickens to trade for healthcare, then they should be able to get that fucking hen to lay an egg or two for themselves to eat.
WTF!? spews:
@33 Liz is probably just afraid that some foreign country has dirt on her……like maybe she is a lesbo.
Roger Rabbit spews:
Ugly as could be. Questioning Vindman’s loyalty and patriotism shows the extreme lengths to which Laura Ingraham and Fox will go to. Shame on them.
Elijah Dominic McDotcom spews:
33,
Wait. Start over.
Go back and show me where even a single one of those treasonous pieces of shit called out any of their fellow Trumpublicans by name.
The smear of an honorable warrior wounded in service to our country continues. Because Republicans want it to continue. Trump owns them all, body and soul. There is no return from beyond Teh Orange Event Horizon.
I’llHaveAPilsner spews:
Whichever one of you stole Liz Cheney and replaced her with someone in a convincing Liz Cheney suit, well done.
Roger Rabbit spews:
I’m mystified by why Republicans and their mouthpieces (e.g., Fox propagandists) go to such great lengths to protect Putin’s henchman. Hello, I though Russia was our adversary? Gotta be something in it for them. They must really, really badly want to make racism respectable again. I wouldn’t be surprised if they wanted to reinstate slavery and lynchings, too. In fact, that might explain the babbling loon’s disappearance over a year ago.
Roger Rabbit spews:
Meanwhile, on the Hill, Democrats are describing Vindman’s testimony as “alarming” and “extremely disturbing.” What could that be?
What jumps into my mind is that maybe Vindman testified that Trump tried to get the Ukranians to put out a hit on Joe Biden. But I don’t believe even Trump would do that. On the other hand, I don’t think the Democrats’ description is mere partisan puffery, either. Vindman’s testimony must have pointed out something even more sinister than they (and we) have seen previously.
Steve spews:
“There is no return from beyond Teh Orange Event Horizon.”
And the dumbfuckery on the other side is infinite. Oh, my! Just look what it did to our Doctor.
Steve spews:
“Hello, I though Russia was our adversary?”
The stink of borscht is everywhere, even in these threads.
I’llHaveAPilsner spews:
Murray Energy the largest privately held coal mining company in the world has filed for bankruptcy.
You might know Murray from CEO Charles’ filing suit against John Oliver dragging him mercilessly and ‘causing emotional distress’. (Case dismissed)
Or maybe you remember him for providing his workers for (mandatory) ‘Trump Digs Coal’ rallies.
Either way, Coal jobs aren’t coming back. And coal workers are noticing.
@godwinha spews:
Fifty years ago today, Al Gore, Jr. invented the Internet.
The guy who gave us George W. Bush because he lost Tennessee, the state he served as US Senator and that his father served as US Senator.
Had Gore won in 2000, he would have had less time to spend fine-tuning his creation and as a result our collective internet experience would be far less satisfying.
So let’s toast Al Gore, Jr. Inventor of the Internet and part-time crazed sex poodle.
Al, may your chakra always remain stiff.
@godwinha spews:
Why no comment about Chrysler being buried further in the large bowel of European carmakers, as Fiat Chrysler and Peugeot head toward a merger?
Everyone is taking a victory lap over Murray Energy. Chrysler dying a slow death – except for RAM and Jeep there’s no reason for Chrysler to exist anymore – oughta be a topic of conversation, too.
Elijah Dominic McDotcom spews:
40,
If I know my Republicans, it’s just gonna be more #yachtcocainehookers, but with more Russian spies and fewer narco-traffickers.
This is Every Republican You Know.
WTF!? spews:
Bob, you seem to be stuck in the past. It seems like a feeble attempt to distract from the present. You should just come clean while you have time left. Your future would be better if you did.
Al Gore? What’s next Jimmy Carter?
WTF!? spews:
@45 maybe because Chrysler is part of an industry that’s not a dying Industry and more worthy of trying to assist, than the coal industry that doesn’t have much a future and assisted just to spite the fucking people.
Does that answer your question? Even I get it.
Elijah Dominic McDotcom spews:
Raise you Alf Landon, “Pride of the Jayhawks”.
Roger Rabbit spews:
@43 “You might know Murray from … ”
… or the thousands of safety violations, or blaming an “earthquake” for a mine collapse that killed six miners which investigators determined was caused by improper mining practices.
If this company really is bankrupt, good riddance. But a lot of times bankruptcy is just a restructuring to stiff creditors, strip assets, and/or get rid of union contracts and/or pension obligations (although this company doesn’t seem to have many unions to get rid of) continuing with business as usual.
Elijah Dominic McDotcom spews:
50,
The really clever motherfuckers precede bankruptcy with drawn out litigation where key board members also own the law firms on both sides. I give you William Brewer, Attorney of Record for The NRA in it’s complaint against Ackerman McQueen, founded by his father-in-law. They’ll be stripping assets out of those two firms (and NRA
membersdupes) for the next decade. By the time these dudes are done there won’t be enough assets left to pay the movers.Guess which regular on HA has the faint outline of an NRA sticker on the back of his Coal-Roller?
This is Every Republican You Know.
I’llHaveAPilsner spews:
Staying true to Republican principals in response to the NCAA
abolishing slaveryallowing players to profit off their likeness, but not actually paying athletes, Senator Richard Burr, R-NC proposes…. a new tax.Faced with the idea that UNC might not be able to sell Jerseys with Zion Williamson’s name and number on the back (#1 seller for Nike 2019) without cutting Zion in on the deal,
Actually it’s right on brand for Republicans. NCAA Star athletes are largely people of color. And the GOP can’t have the darkies making money so find a way to take something from them.
Side note: There’s tons of academic work showing that the value of a scholarship for major D-1 sports when measured against time spent in mandatory practice and ‘optional’* weight training, playbook sessions, meal meetings…
*Optional in the sense that an assistant coach takes attendance and it’s widely understood that failure to attend affects playing time.
WTF!? spews:
@52 actually as liberal as I am and as open as I am to understanding the past atrocity of slavery and current discrimination against people of color, I kind of understand that statement by Richard Burr. In addition, here, I have expressed my opinion against amateur athletes being paid in the past.
I also, about an 2 hours before reading your post, had a conversation with a friend regarding payment amateur athletes getting paid.
My beef, or part of my beef, is as follows: I don’t think it is right for a school that is receiving tax payer money and giving a student a free education (subsidized by the taxpayer) should be making money, and that he should be paying for his education, not me.
The argument could be made that the student is contributing to the success of the profitability of the school sports program, but if taxpayers are putting money towards that same program or other school’s sports programs then, to me, the student(s) shouldn’t float their own boat.
Why should a sponsor get the benefit of making money, via the student, at the taxpayers dime. Taxpayers shouldn’t be subsidizing something to a point where the students are enriching themselves and having the taxpayer pay for their education.
I’d have greater discussion about this here, as I did with my friend this evening and in the past, but I have work to do and this is the type of conversation that needs to be had in person.
Is there a limit to what the student can make? Is it acceptable for the student to pocket 100’s of thousands or millions of $ when the taxpayer paid for his education, or funds the sports program that gives him the avenue to make such money?
If you take taxpayers money out of this, I don’t care if the kid never gets educated, makes millions while in school, and goes on to make trillions in the pro’s.
I don’t need to hear the swan song that the NCAA makes so much money of these kids and exploits them. If they make so much money, the NCAA can fund all the school sports programs and not the taxpayer. Nor should the taxpayer be subsidizing a program that benefits corporations to get additional marketing via the amateur athletes.
Elijah Dominic McDotcom spews:
You are misinformed about the sources of funds and the financial relationship between NCAA Div 1 scholarship athletes and the athletic departments who pay their tuition, fees, room, and board.
And even if your assumptions about the finances of Div 1 athletics were correct (and they are most certainly not) I find it very noteworthy that your objection is not also extended to athletic directors, assistant athletic directors, coaches, cheerleaders, marching bands, referees, doctors, trainers, stadium and arena announcers, media departments, marketing departments, licensing departments, etc. Perhaps before you continue you might think about that for a bit. Why does your comment single out only the student athletes? Must be a reason for that.
WTF?! spews:
@54 too late to comment in full or continue this conversation tonight, but I have no problem including everyone you listed. But do they really pay the marching band and cheerleaders too?
I guess I exclude them partly because they are there as a hired position and not classified as a student.
Do you think it’s fair for taxpayers to subsidize at “system” that will allow private corporations to further gain and benefit by the additional marketing they will get through these students? Maybe they should put some of that money directly into th coffers to support other smaller programs that will be left out by the larger market of big name colleges and players.
I don’t see this being fair to every NCAA athlete. Only a few will benefit, and some will benefit greatly and the taxpayer will be subsidizing it.
And when I say “subsidizing it” I mean paying for all those people you listed as hired individuals and the facilities that are built for those players to play in, for the many schools that don’t turn a profit in their sports programs.
What’s next selling naming rights of the college arenas?
WTF?! spews:
Maybe next instead of calling college buildings after people we name them after Corporations. Instead of Beatty Hall we call it Bank of America Hall, or Nike Hall
WTF?! spews:
In Connecticut, students have a UPass that gets them free public transit, now should a student who’s getting money from Nike ride public transport for free so I can pay for it? Or maybe deny that Nike walking billboard a UPass?
Elijah Dominic McDotcom spews:
They are all provided scholarships, assistance, uniforms, travel expenses, etc. just like student athletes. And yes, of course they pay the music directors, choreographers, and their staffs.
Cheerleaders are students, not staff. I think you knew that. Maybe you should take more time with this. But like I said, pay attention to why you initially singled out the student athletes.
And btw, colleges also provide full scholarships to talented young student musicians, vocalists, dancers, etc. And sadly, ticket sales and broadcast rights for their performances do not cover the cost of their tuition, room and board. Moreover, there are no rules preventing them from picking up additional income on the side teaching, coaching, or performing, like there are for athletes.
Elijah Dominic McDotcom spews:
57,
The program you mention is not needs tested.
All students receive it regardless of income.
I’m going to stop now since you are refusing to even try here and are instead throwing random handfulls of darts.
But again, think harder if you can about why specifically you are objecting to student athletes being able to earn money, when all these other beneficiaries of taxpayer supported public education are not so restricted.
WTF?! spews:
EDM – can you tell me, even if you have to guess, what you think the min and max someone like Carmelo Anthony would receive over 1 year or over 4 years?
I think people’s opinions would change or be different, whether it was $5,000 or whether it was $150,000. And do you know if this income will be taxed?
WTF?! spews:
@59 don’t cop out. I have to go to bed otherwise I would carry on with you. No random handfuls of darts.
I understand every student gets a UPass regardless of income. What gave you the impression that I thought it was just low income students? You are tossing out shit.
I don’t care of the college student is black, white, yellow, gay or straight or asexual. For you to imply that I am taking this position because of the students being black is bullshit. When I hear people talk about this they always reference black people. But fuck the white ones too. And the gay ones too.
Roger Rabbit spews:
@56 That’s the system we have now. Anyone rich enough to pay for a college building is a corporation in and of himself.
They get hefty tax breaks from that, too. You almost could say those buildings pay for themselves.
A billionaire at tax time is someone in search of a campus that needs another building.
Tweedle Dee spews:
Yeah, and Harvard is a hedge fund with a school attached for tax purposes, you idiot!
Roger Rabbit spews:
@63 Not a bad characterization, although I’d put an adjective in front of “school.” But we can’t expect someone with a screen name like yours to be attuned to nuances like that, can we? After all it’s obvious you weren’t schooled there.
WTF?! spews:
@61 continued
Almost as if they are making this about racism. And if they weren’t they would be concerned about all the white players too, but they are not.
WTF?! spews:
dude, you are focusing in on the scholarships and other paid expenses of the students. That’s only part of it. My focus is the sports program itself and all the hired help and arenas, that is subsidized by taxpayers.
“ Maybe you should take more time with this.”
Maybe you should too. Don’t be so condescending.
Address the costs of the coaches and arena and everything you listed outside of the students. Tell me why I, as a taxpayer, have to support and subsidize it, and then the WHITE GAY student runs off and makes 100k or 1m when he should be getting a fucking education?
I have a problem with the whole commercialization of College sports.
Roger Rabbit spews:
We now know that summaries and transcripts emanating from the White House are doctored, thanks to an honest Army colonel. Of course, if you hadn’t already guessed that, you’re probably a Republican.
Roger Rabbit spews:
Add evidence tampering to this administration’s long rap sheet.
I’llHaveAPilsner spews:
@67&68
And on the same day Hannity apparently did a long segment about the ‘transcript’ exonerating Donald.
Roger Rabbit spews:
It looks like the Reagan Presidential Library may burn down. That would be too bad, and no liberal should wish for that, because future historians might lose valuable evidence of his and Oliver North’s high crimes and misdemeanors. Hey, just kidding — we all know Reagan was one of our greatest presidents … hey, friends, just kidding …
Roger Rabbit spews:
@69 I guess someone could argue no harm, no foul, because Hannity has no credibility to lose.
I’llHaveAPilsner spews:
@70
They’re doing important
GRIDAIDS research there to this day.RedReformed spews:
https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/30/us/california-easy-fire-reagan-presidential-library-simi-valley/index.html
Giller said a “fire break” area — a zone where vegetation has been eaten up by goats that the county fire department brings in yearly for that purpose — exists between the library property and the fire.
Roger Rabbit spews:
@73 Hm. Saved by the goats.
Roger Rabbit spews:
In Virginia, Republicans have 1-seat majorities in both legislative houses, and are in jeopardy of losing their ability to gerrymander the state after the 2020 census in next month’s elections. So, unable to run on their actual legislative voting records, they’re pretending to be moderates.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/virginia-republicans-running-as-moderates-2019-election_n_5db88a51e4b0bb1ea37091d5
Roger Rabbit Commentary: All I can say is don’t vote for wolves dressed in sheepskins. My woodland friends learned about this evolutions ago.
Thomas Jefferson spews:
The resignation from the House of Representatives of Katie Hill was shameful. It’s none of anyone’s business what she does in her private life, and those who exposed her personal life should have those sticks up their asses shoved very hard so as to inflict maximum pain.
@godwinha spews:
This was necessary because without @CrookedHillary in the race, the DNC couldn’t be counted on to defeat him this time around.
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@godwinha spews:
@ 76
The resignation from the House of Representatives of Katie Hill was shameful. It’s none of anyone’s business what she does in her private life…
Now do Mark Foley.
She had affairs with people on her payroll, over whom she had authority. In one of the cases what she did is specifically barred by the Congressional rules she is supposed to follow.
By your rationale it’s none of anyone’s business that Trump fucked Stormy Daniels, and the fact that he used campaign funds to shut her up is beside the point for the same reason that Katie Hill’s misdeeds are beside the point.
Yo, Tom. It’s none of anyone’s business that you fucked and repeatedly impregnated Sally Hemings, either. That slave thing, tho…
Elijah Dominic McDotcom spews:
Precisely.
Like others who preceded her, she is replaceable.
People who are too dumb to understand why such relationships are wrong are also too dumb to serve effectively in Congress.
Sally H. spews:
78 – Actually, there were 29 other Jefferson boys ’round town, if you get my drift! Might be Tom, might be one of the other Jefferson boys!