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DLBottleThe Seattle Chapter of Drinking Liberally meets this evening for some politics and conversation over a pint. Please stop by.

We meet every Tuesday at the Roanoke Park Place Tavern, 2409 10th Ave E, Seattle. You’ll find us in the room at the rear of the tavern beginning about 8pm.




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  1. 1

    CA-21, which had been called for the GOP, is now a Democratic pickup, bringing the Democrats’ net House gains to 40 seats.

  2. 2

    That means Democrats won all 7 of the GOP-held California House seats they targeted this year.

  3. 3

    I want the US to do well, but trumps economy and republican economic policies are not working, long term.
    Do trump voters have be economically maimed before they will vote for different candidates? What do we do to help them vote differently?

  4. 4

    3,
    They will never vote differently. That idea is pernicious nonsense spread by global media corps to weaken progressives.

    “We” are not responsible for their refusal to embrace the benefits of education, diversity, modernity, and community.

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    @3 a brain transplant might be needed. Trump voters still believe that the economy is awesomely super duper great. First try to get them to read a graph or chart of look at past history and get them to understand what was previously described as terrible by the GOP was not really as bad as described and then get them to realize that what was is more recently described as awesome isn’t really as awesome as told…essentially, just get them to take their heads out of their ass and educate them a bit – but that’s nearly impossible….good luck.

  7. 7

    >> “We” are not responsible for their refusal to embrace the benefits of education, diversity, modernity, and community.

    I agree We are not responsible for them being in the burning pit, but we should always be offering a lifeline to anyone who wants to climb out of the burning pit and encouraging them that will listen to use it.

  8. 8

    7,
    That lifeline is always there and always will be. But we should not move self loathing, fearful, self destructive, racist trailerbillies to the front of it. Because all they ever do, and all they ever will do, is look for knives so they can start cutting off those below.

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    “A transgender asylum-seeker who fell sick and died while being held by Immigration and Customs Enforcement may have been beaten while in federal custody, according to an independent autopsy report released this week.

    “The body of 33-year-old trans woman Roxsana Hernández Rodriguez was marked by ‘deep bruises’ and ‘contusions’ consistent with ‘blows and/or kicks and possible strikes with a blunt object,’ The Washington Post reported on Monday, citing the autopsy commissioned by Hernández’s family. Her wrists showed signs of extensive hemorrhaging, which the report said was ‘typical of handcuff injuries.'”

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/roxsana-hernandez-transgender-asylum-seeker-autopsy_us_5bfd0f20e4b03b230fa66995

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    @3 You can’t turn a dandelion into a rose by asking it to stop being a dandelion. They are what they are.

    Republicans are always wrong about the economy. Always. In any economic situation, they will do exactly the wrong thing. But remember, their goals are different from yours and mine. They like depressions, because depressions concentrate wealth, destroy businesses (and therefore competition), and give the rich an opportunity to snap up cheap assets.

  12. 12

    @10 All the proof you need that Mississippi is a third world country pretending to be a state. While technically you don’t need a passport to go there, they’re not a part of this country and never will be, and travel is not advised, because the natives are stuck in their primitive ways and known to be bloodthirsty. Cannibalism has been reported.

  13. 13

    Related to @1

    The Pundit class needs something to talk about so they’ve got the ‘Conservative Ds can keep Pelosi from being speaker and snatch defeat from the jaws of victory for Democrats. Pelosi can only lose 16 votes!”

    Yeah, that’s not how it works. (Assuming CA-21 actually stays red here)

    GOP votes in lockstep for their candidate

    202 votes for speaker

    Without the 16 Pelosi gets

    219 votes

    This line of reasoning ONLY WORKS if 16 ‘Never Pelosi’ s ldo what none of them have threatened and vote for GOP candidate

    Then and only then you get

    GOP -218
    Pelosi -217

    So what’s going to happen, a few of the 16 keep hearing from their district and vote for Pelosi despite their letter. A few vote for a ‘Conservative D’ candidate and none of them at all vote for the GOP.

    Final vote is more likely along the lines of
    Pelosi- 221
    GOP- 201
    Conservative D abstentions – 13 maybe?

  14. 14

    11,
    I don’t think he’s concerned about “the rich”.

    He’s concerned about balding, impotent, poorly educated, so-called “working class” white trash who persistently vote against their own interests merely for the sake of having permission to amass vast arsenals of semi-automatic assault weapons and tell racist jokes while waiting in line to buy lottery tickets.

    They have their priorities. We’ve got ours.

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    13,
    That Pelosi has been willing to put herself through this Kabuki dance for the sake of protecting degenerate fossils like Hoyer and Clyburn should be seen as a sign of her devotion to the party’s larger interests. She personally has almost nothing to gain by allowing them to hide in her skirts while they simultaneously maneuver to weaken her. There’s another bus every ten minutes.

  17. 17

    I have a vivid memory of November 27, 1978.

    I was a young boy in the backseat of a 1972 Plymouth Duster when KFRC broke out of their music programming to announce that Mayor George Moscone and Supervisor Harvey Milk had been murdered inside of City Hall by Supervisor Dan White.

    Dan White took his own life after serving a far too short prison sentence and never expressed any remorse and admitted he also wanted to kill Willie Brown.

    #rightwingterrorism

    #guncontrol40yearsago

  18. 18

    “Mississippi Republicans say they’ll vote for Cindy Hyde-Smith, albeit reluctantly”

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cindy-hyde-smith-voting-today-lesser-two-evils-mississippi-senate-race-election-runoff-today-2018-11-27/

    Of course they will. Because they put party above character or country. Always.

    P.S., please spare us this “reluctantly” bullshit. You voted for Trump, too. You will again. You’ll vote for Sen. Gotta-Love-Lynching again, too. With enthusiasm. Because that’s who you are.

  19. 19

    Yesterday “thoughtful, intellectual, never-Trump” klownsurvaturd Erick Erickson argued for the United States to recruit, promote, and support “Pinochet types” to clean up “unrest” in our hemisphere.

    That is a real thing.
    That he did.
    Yesterday.

    This is really who Republicans are now.
    The “traditional values” of mass graves.

  20. 20

    Active shooter reported at Walter Reed. Police response dispatched. Portions of facility in lock down.

  21. 21

    EU wide Magnitsky Act now looks likely to pass in the wake of Putin criminal acts of war targeting Ukraine this week.
    Macron announced La France is on board.

  22. 22

    When you get caught not waiting for votes to be counted…

    World Nut Daily, RIP it was his favorite,

    November 20th,

    Orange County Results Suggest Voter Fraud

    While the county went for Republican John Cox over Democrat Gavin Newsom in the governor’s race, all six House districts were won by the Democratic candidate, points out the Gateway Pundit’s Jim Hoft.

    Dozens of ‘Fake News’ outlets after the count is complete

    Gavin Newsome First Democratic Governor to Carry Orange County in 40 Years

  23. 23

    If the court grants it (and since Manafucked’s team of geniuses is in support of that my guess is the answer will be YES) Mueller will get to put on a mini-bench-trial of the facts the OSC allege’s constitute Manafucked’s violations of his 5K1 agreement. This is part of the due process afforded Manafucked as a result of his guilty verdict. Administratively there’s nothing that DOJ under Meathead McRoidStick can do about that. The “detailed submission” OSC offers to present is certainly already prepared at this point. And it appears that OSC knew Manafucked was lying to them, but asked for a delay until after President BabyShits turned in his perjury response to the take-home test.

    That delay timing could be mere coincidence.
    Naaaaaah! It really couldn’t. The only reason OSC would have requested the delay for the status report is that they believed some part of the White House response to the OSC questions was predicated on Manafucked’s 5K1 status. They knew Manafucked was in violation. They did not want that to become public until after the White House committed perjury responded. So they knew that Manfucked was corroborating his testimony with the White House. And any comment from the White House (including rage-Tweets) denying any of the facts alleged in the “detailed submission” will constitute a waiver of executive privilege. Bonus!

  26. 26

    ”The indexes rose after National Economic Council Director Larry Kudlow said the White House was having “a lot of communication with the Chinese government at all levels” ahead of a meeting between Trump and his Chinese counterpart, Xi Jinping. Kudlow later told reporters Trump thinks there is a “good possibility” the two countries can reach and agreement.”

    Why do I get the feeling this s atement was made right after Larry finished removing The Humps cock from his mouth.

    And I bet there’s hope that Bob’s horse will catch a break soon.

  29. 29

    “While GM has said … changing consumer demands are the chief reasons for the actions it took, the Trump administration’s onerous steel tariffs are also an important contributing factor. … [T]housands of American autoworkers, many who voted for Trump in 2016 — believing he would protect their jobs — now face a stark reality just weeks before the holidays.”

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/27/opinions/trump-general-motors-economic-cost-weinberg/index.html

    Roger Rabbit Commentary: You get what you vote for. Really, you do.

  30. 30

    Connect the dots…

    Economists warn Trump steel and Aluminum tariffs will especially hit the Automotive industry.

    GM profits fall in late 2017.

    GM Profits bounce back to positive Q1 2018

    GM posts highest profit margin in 2 years Q3 2018

    GOP/Trump get smoked in midterm elections

    GM Announces plant closures and massive layoffs mid Q4 2018.

    Fox News Analysts wonders on air, “Americans may vote for socialists if they start to notice corporations reporting record profits while laying off workers.”

    2020 is just a few short months away. How’s Michigan looking? Oh right Dems flipped the Gov and despite being a big GOP target in a Trump State…Stabbenow won easily in 2018.

  32. 32

    In other crime news, a Republican candidate who mailed a pipe bomb to a lawyer that exploded and injured a postal worker has agreed to a 29-year prison sentence.

    The bomber “had also mailed a package that included a bullet and a threatening message to another victim who had mocked [him] in online forums.”

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/pipe-bomb-right-wing-blogger-eric-krieg_us_5bfd9c80e4b0771fb6befbf1

    Roger Rabbit Commentary: It’s really not necessary to explain why I post here anonymously, is it?

  33. 33

    32,
    Careful now.
    Shortbus may still be out there with his “Sniffer Probe™”.

  35. 35

    @34 yeah. But the difference in margin is by a lot less than how The Hump and other Republicans have performed in the past. A little bit of hope.

  36. 36

    @35 Today Neshoba County went 85% for a woman who thinks exactly the same as the people there who murdered three civil rights workers 54 years ago. Nothing’s changed.

  38. 38

    Can’t we just make a trade or something for Mississippi? I mean we got Manhattan for $20 worth of trinkets. How about making Mississippi its own country and we elevate Puerto Rico to a state? Win-win for everyone. Mississippi can finally be first in everything and hold onto their racist past. Plus we get rid of a welfare queen of a state.

  39. 39

    This fucking guy,

    “I’m going to take away GMs subsidies!”

    Okay, what subsidies?

    Did you mean something related to the auto industry written in such a way that all manufacturers of automobiles benefit? Did you mean the corporate tax cuts? Deal! Go for it!

    But exactly how are you going to single out just GM and keep Honda,Toyota, Ford….oh never mind.

    What a fucking moron.

    Built Ford tough this President. Like a Rock! Stable Genius.

    So, this is how your precious the free market works, GOP? The President gets to dictate hiring/firing/manufacturing levels for whatever company he sees fit?

    Hmmm, putting the means of production into the hands of the centralized government. I have a book somewhere that talks about that…..

  40. 40

    Left Behind by Trump’s Boom: The Rural Americans Who Elected Him
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-28/left-behind-by-trump-s-boom-the-rural-americans-who-elected-him

    “But the Trump administration plans to cut USDA funding by 16 percent in fiscal 2019, and revamp the food stamps it distributes.
    Cuts to food stamps would be “catastrophic,’’ says Gay. “We have a lot of clients who have no income. That’s their only source of food.
    Even if such policies hurt the countryside, they won’t necessarily dent Trump’s support there.

    A lot of Trump’s rural supporters “don’t sound as if they expect to get anything out of the administration,’’ says Andersen. Feeling abandoned, they just want to “destroy the system overall,’’ he says -– and Trump was “the first candidate in a very long time’’ to explicitly feed such resentments.’’

    What is wrong with those people? Seriously? Is it alt right media that has brainwashed these people? I don’t understand what has mentally and spiritually destroyed those folk.

    Is it just this? “My life is terrible thanks to my own god awful decisions at the voting booth, so I’m going to vote for the guy who promises to make everyone else’s lives just as miserable as mine. “

  42. 42

    40,
    Their assessments of themselves are fairly accurate.
    What is changing is the institutional structures created and maintained to keep other people worse off are weakening or going away.

    You can never help these people except by hurting others. Democrats need to swear off that forever. And we are making good progress. So that leaves them with Trump, white supremacy, the GOP, and the pontless cruelty of trans-vaginal probes, bathroom bills, and gassing infant refugees.

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    @40 For some strange reason, they always have enough money to trick out their pickups and buy lots and lots of expensive guns. But shoes for the kids? Make the wife get a job at Walmart.

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