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Higher Minimum Wage Boosts Pay Without Reducing Jobs, Study Says
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-09-06/higher-minimum-wage-boosts-pay-without-reducing-jobs-study-says
“In the food services industry, a major employer of low wage workers, a 10 percent increase in minimum pay increased average weekly earnings 1.3 percent to 2.5 percent on average across the six cities, the authors found. They found no “significant negative employment effects.” Instead, they estimated the impact on jobs at between a 0.3 percent reduction and a 1.1 percent gain.”
Sorry republicans, facts don’t bear out your “we have to pay you less, but you get to keep your job” assumptions. What else are you wrong about?
“Less than one in three people in the new CNN-SSRS poll believe that President Donald Trump is honest and trustworthy.”
https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/11/politics/trump-honest-and-trustworthy/index.html
Roger Rabbit Commentary: And that one is stupid. Well, somebody’s gotta be in the lower third of the bell curve.
@1 “What else are you wrong about?”
I assume that’s a rhetorical question.
Look, nobody’s perfect; we all make mistakes. The difference is the rest of us learn from them. A Republican goes back and puts his hand on the hot stove again. And again. And again, and again, and again … what a bunch of dumbfucks.
My wife just texted me and told me that a bunch of people are on an overpass somewhere holding signs that say 9/11 was an inside job.
Hey ‘froggy, I hope you’re getting the full $15/hr to hold those signs, dude.
More information, now, on the shooting of Botham Jean. There’s video of her on the phone with 9/11, and she’s crying. The question of how she gained access has been answered although not to the family’s satisfaction. She said the door was ajar and opened when she pushed her key into the lock. The family says he would never have left the door unlatched. The apartments have an identical floor plan and one is directly over the other. The room was dark when she encountered him and when she shot him. Only after turning on the lights did she realize the apartment was not hers.
So I have one question: According to Texas law, was she permitted to shoot what she very likely truly believed was a burglar in her home? I have read nothing that reports Jean made an aggressive move toward her, only that he did not respond to her commands. In Texas, is that enough to shoot an ‘intruder’? I’m doubtful.
I’ll assume whatever answer Roger Dumbfuck Rabbit provides is the opposite of the correct answer.
@ 2
Hey, y’all, remember the week before the presidential election, when fewer than 40% of poll respondents found Hillary Clinton honest and trustworthy?
Donald Trump More Trustworthy Than Hillary Clinton, Poll Finds
http://time.com/4554576/donald.....y-clinton/
See, it’s like that running from a bear thing. You don’t have to outrun the bear. You just have to outrun the person next to you.
During election season, Trump didn’t need to be honest and trustworthy. He only needed to appear so, relative to Hillary Clinton.
Not a high bar, that.
Roger Dumbfuck Rabbit is aging quickly but he can still serve up that slow curveball right down the middle better than anyone else.
6.
Don’t tell Ted.
@4 “9/11 was an inside job”
Well, it was, in a manner of speaking. On this day of solemn remembrance, let us not forget that Republican dumbfuckery preceded this solemn remembrance:
“Bush’s approach in most situations seemed a reactive combination of calculations to avoid his father’s mistakes and to reject Clinton’s policies. This was especially clear in international affairs: in his first nine months he reversed Clinton’s policy toward China, proclaiming it no longer a ‘strategic partner’ but a ‘strategic competitor’; in the Middle East, by withdrawing U.S. involvement in the negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians; toward Korea, by abandoning the negotiated accord that had frozen the North’s nuclear program and by humiliating President Kim of South Korea, who was promoting North-South reconciliation, during his March 2001 visit to the White House, contributing to a wave of anti-Americanism in a country that was among the staunchest American allies; by withdrawing U.S. support from the Kyoto treaty on global warming; and by forsaking Clinton’s efforts to address the dangers of international terrorism.
“During the transition between administrations, National Security Adviser Sandy Berger arranged several extensive briefings on this last subject for Bush’s incoming national security adviser, Condoleeza Rice, and others on the Bush team, including Vice President Cheney. One briefing lasted half a day. Berger told them that Osama bin Laden was an ‘existential threat’ and told them that he wanted ‘to underscore how important this issue is.’ In another briefing, Richard Clarke, head of counterterrorism in the NSC, the single most knowledgeable expert in the government, gave them a complete tutorial on the subject. In yet another briefing, CIA officials were brought in to go over all the intelligence available on terrorism.
“Don Kerrick, a three-star general and outgoing deputy national security adviser, overlapped for four months with the new Bush people. He submitted a memo for the new National Security Council warning of the danger of terrorism. ‘We are going to be struck again,’ he wrote. But as Kerrick explained to me, he received no answer to his memo. ‘They didn’t respond,’ he said. ‘They never responded. It was not high on their priority list. I was never invited to one meeting. They never asked me to do anything. They were not focusing. They didn’t see terrorism as the big megaissue that the Clinton administration saw it as. They were concentrated on what they thought were higher priorities than terrorism.’ The Principals meeting of national security officials took up terrorism only once, after constant pressure from Clarke, on September 4, 2001, and at that meeting they discussed using unmanned Predator drone spy aircraft, but no decision was made. ‘Unfortunately,’ said Kerrick, ‘September 11 gave them something to focus on.’”
— Sidney Blumenthal, The Clinton Wars (New York: Farrar, Strauss, and Giroux, 2003), pp. 797-798.
@5 “According to Texas law, was she permitted to shoot what she very likely truly believed was a burglar in her home?”
I haven’t researched Texas law on that precise point, but a principle applicable nearly everywhere is that if you fuck up on this scale, you’re not innocent.
@6 As you point out, that was in 2016. Based on new information, Trump’s honesty ratings aren’t quite as high now.
Next, you’ll pull out Lincoln’s approval ratings to demonstrate how popular the GOP is. That’s how far back you have to go to find a time when the GOP was a reputable party with a respectable leader (with the arguable exception of Eisenhower, but his party certainly wasn’t reputable then).
On this day of solemn remembrance, the President of the United States – as he always does – issued a proclamation declaring …
“ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME !!!”
“The President began the day on a combative streak, tweeting angrily about the Russia investigation from the White House as mourners were gathering in lower Manhattan, at the Pentagon and in the Pennsylvania field where Flight 93 crashed 17 years ago. When he arrived in Pennsylvania with the first lady, Trump flashed a celebratory smile and pumped his fists as he greeted supporters on the tarmac in Johnstown, Pennsylvania.”
https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/11/politics/trump-9-11-pennsylvania/index.html
See also:
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-september-11-anniversary_us_5b97abe3e4b0511db3e61093
@6 Speaking of home run pitches:
“I wasn’t a fan of Iraq. I didn’t want to go into Iraq.”
“Between 3 million and 5 million illegal votes caused me to lose the popular vote.”
“Now, the [inauguration] audience was the biggest ever.”
“And yet the murder rate in our country is the highest it’s been in 47 years, right? Did you know that? Forty-seven years.”
“Terrible! Just found out that Obama had my ‘wires tapped’ in Trump Tower ….”
“122 vicious prisoners, released by the Obama Administration from Gitmo, have returned to the battlefield.” (113 of them were released by President George W. Bush)
“I didn’t know Steve.” (He knew Steve Bannon since 2011.)
“We are the highest taxed nation in the world”
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/06/23/opinion/trumps-lies.html
And, of course … “The GDP Rate (4.2%) is higher than the Unemployment Rate (3.9%) for the first time in over 100 years!”
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-09-10/trump-wrongly-touts-economy-growth-milestone-versus-unemployment
Doctor Dumbfuck believed every word, and now crows about how honest Trump is. Crack, it’s a high fly ball … going waaay back …
I mean, bragging about Trump’s honesty … REALLY??
That’s why we call him a “dumbfuck.”
@4 why do you suggest that that is a Liberal point of view and not a Conservative point of view, such as many of you Repuke fucks think.
Would you lose any faith in the Repuklian Party if it were a minority of Conservative doing it. No, is my guess.
Loser.
@5 I’m sure you don’t mistake your horse for another, even though he wish you would.
8,
“They were concentrated on what they thought were higher priorities than terrorism.”
The higher priorities were porn.
On September 11, 2001 John Ashcroft was preoccupied with formulating plans to cover the exposed boob on Spirit of Justice, an aluminum art deco style sculpture adorning the Great Hall at main justice.
And the current Republican President’s most recent girlfriend (that we know of), Stormy Daniels, had just been named Miss Nude Great Plains, was a featured entertainer on the southern strip club circuit, and had just begun her career with Wicked Entertainment letting men and women she’d never met before put things inside her and squirt things on her in front of video cameras for money.
Crazy world.
Alex is one of us.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gS00jcIBRsA
@1 Of course because the current minimum wage is so outdated as to be meaningless. Especially the federal minimum wage, and even Washington states minimum wage is not a realistic living wage even for the rural parts of the state. And agricultural workers fall in their own category. And employers get to play games with employees with tips, not so much here in Washington state, but other states yes.
If the minimum wage was raised to where it should be in relationship to where minimum wage originally was at or in 1969 it would be around $22 to $24 an hour and your average worker cold probably pay rent on a one bedroom apartment with some left over.
The minimum wage particularly the federal minimum wage becomes more meaningless with every passing year. Of course voters who know what it takes an hour to makes ends meet can easily support a minimum wage that is higher, but still is not high enough because a three or four dollar increase in Washington states minimum wage is necessary, but it should be higher.
Someday the US Congress will get around to raising the Federal minimum wage and it will be a total fight and the raise will be a total joke. A dollar increase! Happy Times are Here Again!!! (in Arkansas!)
I see in the news that a judge has raised the contempt fines against Eyman and his associates for their continuing noncompliance with a document production request in legal proceedings involving alleged* misappropriation** of initiative campaign funds.
https://www.heraldnet.com/news/in-legal-fight-with-ag-cost-of-contempt-is-rising-for-eyman/
* Even Eyman is entitled to a presumption of innocence; but he comes about as close as you can get to being justified to assume someone’s guilty
** A fancy word for stealing
The high official who wrote the letter is also Q-Anon.
@18 “Of course because the current minimum wage is so outdated as to be meaningless.”
Which is just how Republicans like it.
@18 “And employers get to play games with employees with tips” and time clocks. You left one out – wage theft, which is rampant and brazen under this laissez-faire administration.
@20 Q-Anon is not a high official. Q-Anon is a pimply teenager hunched over a glowing blue screen in his mother’s basement.
@5 Texas is very much the champion of the castle line of thought when it comes to shooting someone on your property, In your apartment you can shoot Santa Claus even if he is leaving you gold bars. And there is this concept of mistake in the law.
Of course politics and public opinion never cause prosecutors to do things to placate the public. Texans while they have a overly zealous ideas on property rights also like hangings if they feel public officials are not properly handing out justice.
I doubt there is enough out there to really determine what is the truth here. It’s definitely tragic. Generally the police officer has he advantage that the court generally is going to believe the officer, unless there is very strong evidence to the contrary (like a video of the event). The prosecutor actually has charged the officer with a reasonable charge of manslaughter. It is the right charge, but it is not going to please the family or public in certain parts of Dallas.
There is a possibility that public relations is the name of the game here and politics and the prosecutor will drop the charge. It is going to be hard to get a conviction in Texas, based on what is thus far in the public conversation, there maybe other evidence or the evidence may come out it does not support the officers story. Something like lots of powder burns on the victim, but that information takes time to develop, may or may not be made public, and these days our 4th estate is too lazy to read the coroners report. And concentrate on the facts, rather than what sells papers and gets clicks.
@9 An attorney willfully ignorant on an important subject like whether folks can shoot someone in their homo or on their property. A subject Texas pops up in the literature all the time. As it’s at one end of the scale. While New York is usually put at the other end of the scale in such articles. It is first year law stuff. Some things have not changed in 50, and Texans ideas on what you can do on your property or in your apartment have not changed. In Texas you can shot em dead, here you might want to think twice about shooting if there is any chance a lesser amount of violence could be called for, and that is only if you and the perpetrator are both inside the home.
“fewer than 40% of poll respondents found Hillary Clinton”
Figures, seeing as how 62% of Republicans believe Hillary adopted an alien space baby.
Why on earth does anyone use Facebook?
Besides the still overwhelming proliferation of fake accounts fronting for Proctor and Gamble product managers and GRU senior agents running bot-farms in Moldova, now we learn that Zuk, whinging like a scared pussy under pressure from white supremacists, agreed to include BENGHAZZIII/DERPSTATEWITCHHUNT pimps Weekly Standard as a third party fact checker for news posts.
Sure enough, partisan hack conspiracy mongers at Weekly Standard have begun using their position of trust to purge Facebook of any links to news they don’t like, criticism of PornSweat, climate change, etc. for… reasons.
Facebook is just a goddamned dumpster fire located in a wasteland sterilized of useful content, surrounded by a sprawl of filthy trailer parks and cockroach infested Arby’s.
Amazeballs.
@24 “In your apartment you can shoot Santa Claus even if he is leaving you gold bars.”
She wasn’t in her apartment. She shot the victim in his apartment.
Here’s a law school question for you: How does that change your analysis?
@25 “An attorney willfully ignorant on an important subject like whether folks can shoot someone in their homo or on their property.”
An attorney – a real one, not an ignorant armchair lawyer – will start by asking the right question. What is the rule when you go into someone else’s home by mistake, and shoot the lawful occupant thinking he’s a burglar, when it turns out you’re the intruder?
At a minimum, negligence occurred there, although negligence isn’t a criminal law concept. In most jurisdictions, manslaughter is the appropriate charge for an unintended death caused by carelessness. So, absent additional facts establishing the element of intention, this cop will be facing manslaughter charges. The prosecutor has already talked about a grand jury upgrading the charges, so he may know more than the public does at this point. It’s unlikely this cop has no legal culpability. After all, she went where she had no right to be, and killed an innocent person who had every right to be where he was and do what he was doing. It’s a very rare occurrence indeed when one person shoots another person to death and there’s no legal fault on any side.
@10 Lincoln’s national numbers were not good at all. He was popular in the Republican party which was not even a national part at that time. It was a sectional party. States succeeding before you take the oath of office would indicate your poll numbers suck on a national scale, but as states succeeded they went up, and later down as states were forcible reunited. Abraham Lincoln throughout the war was never particularly popular. He thought Republicans would loose seats in Congress in 1862 and expected to be beaten in 1864 and did not run as a Republican in 1864, but on a ticket that was a United US ticket with a VP candidate who was a Democrat. Lincoln overall most likely would have been less popular than Trump throughout much of his Presidency had there been the means to do mass or significant polling. The scientific poll would not come about for 50 plus years after the war.
Grant was the first really popular Republican President, though the Democrats did try to recruit him as their candidate.
@25 ” It is first year law stuff.”
You seem to be asserting I don’t know first-year law. Are you?
Next question: Have you ever attended a law school?
I’m just wondering if what we have here is an armchair lawyer trying to school an actual lawyer about the law. If that’s what you’re doing, you might as well, because you’ve already turned this blog into an offshoot of Comedy Central in many ways.
@27 “Why on earth does anyone use Facebook?”
I don’t, never have, never will. As far as I know, I’m invisible to Facebook, although I don’t feel entirely confident of that. I have no idea what sort of dossier they’ve assembled on me. I do know it’s awfully hard for advertisers to sell me anything, and I’m not much of a profit center, so there have to be tons of personal profiles out there far more valuable than mine to folks seeking to monetize such information.
5,
” According to Texas law, was she permitted to shoot what she very likely truly believed was a burglar in her home?”
Permitted? Under the law? Probably not.
As a plain old vanilla citizen case, this would not come close to being a “stand your ground” defense. Aside from the enormous challenge of claiming self defense when the the person asserting the defense is the advancing home invader, the Texas statute demands that in order to invoke “stand your ground” the defendant must “have a legal right to be present where force is used”.
She was off duty. She was not actively engaged in an investigation. She had no such legal right. She probably wouldn’t be allowed to use the defense.
Not an expert on qualified immunity defenses, but I know some guys who are. And I’m eager to discuss with them insofar as there may be some basis for employing terms of qualified immunity to overcome the requirement for her to have a legal right to be present where the force was used. First issue comes to mind is being off duty (she was in uniform, service weapon, kevlar, Bat Utility Belt, etc), and what that means specifically in terms of qualified immunity. Also her not being actively engaged in an investigation – one could argue that the moment she formed a belief that there was an intruder in her apartment that an active investigation was initiated. So depending on the body of law surrounding these kinds of issues of qualified immunity she might, as a police officer, be in a unique position to offer that defense. Knowing very little about the specifics I’d still give it a low probability.
@29 The rule in Texas as anyone with Texan sense is you go into someone else’s home uninvited by accident or not you are going to be shot. So there is not much need of the other side of the equation being in law unless the home owner is a bad shot using a smooth bore musket.
Also you take pains to not explain the system. The Prosecutor prosecutes, and has certain biases in the system. He does not need to overly concern himself with the defendants possible defenses once he has decided to pull the trigger and prosecute. The charge of manslaughter is most likely the correct charge here, unless there is other evidence. The prosecutor has a lot of reason in dealing with the public to play to the crowd and mob, at least temporarily until folks settle down. Sure we are thinking about upping the charges. Not sure if the grand jury will go for that, Of course any good Prosecutor can get the grand jury to prosecute a ham sandwich for high treason even in a simple burglary case.
The defense in this kind of case are not always codified and are in the case law. Until the actual trial we are not going to know that side. This is a case where the officer clearly killed the victim. I know that all them cowboys by Wyatt Earp were all justified and none were manslaughter or murder. His badge did not factor in the equation whatsoever when them fellas turned up dead, kilt by him.
If the cop truly just fucked up she will walk, and a whole community will not be happy. It is even possible that she could be guilty of murder, but she may very well walk away free, if only because she has the badge. Maybe because she is a woman or because she is white. Juries are funny that way, and to protect the innocent it is ok if the guilty walk.
God Damn! Shortbus is capable of some breathtaking idiocy.
Republicans must be so proud.
Wyatt Earp??????
@27 Facebook is actually clever and a great idea. At least in the small scale. Sit down with your friends and keep in touch and share with your friends even when far apart. Great for frat boys and girls at college especially when relatively a private group.
The real problem with facebook is it’s free. Rather than charge folks for this clever product the commodity is the people on facebook itself to advertisers or anyone wanting to see the information or advertise. And it got so large that if you are a business or a politician your company and party have to be on here As far as news of course you share with your friends, but should facebook be pushing any news, it does not have to, but with 2.5 billion people logging on every week or month new and weather is something a lot of them may want and then may go to Amazon because they really will need that rainjacket in the Outer Banks in the next 48 hours.
All it would take to get these fellas on Facebook is a young or not so young girlfriend on Facebook…and or the wife getting on Facebook then they are so screwed.
@35 “The rule in Texas as anyone with Texan sense is you go into someone else’s home uninvited by accident or not you are going to be shot.”
So your argument is she had a right to shoot him based on her assumption that he would shoot her because she was in his home without his permission? This argument, of course, assumes she realized she was in the wrong apartment before she shot him and that’s why she shot him.
@32 You first. What is your bar number. What university did you attend? You are supposedly the attorney and you should know the basics on this, and some fundamentals of Texas and how it plays in the subject. In fact on the basics here we are not disagreeing that manslaughter is the appropriate charge. It could stick and the officer could get convicted. I doubt you and I are particularly willing to put more than a couple of bucks down on a bet, unless we are going to get fantastic odds of a hundred or more. Based on the information thus far and Texas I am sure the officer will walk, and I would not at all be surprised if it never goes to trail and is dropped by the Prosecutor after an appropriate amount of time. She may even keep her job as an officer in Dallas. Of course that is likely dependent on the outcome of the first part of the equation.
Unless I’m wrong about the ability of an off-duty police officer to employ qualified immunity doctrine to meet the statutory requirement of Texas’ “stand your ground” – and I definitely could be – there won’t be a trial.
This will be a difficult prosecution to negotiate. There will be tons of pressure to resist pleading down, and even to elevate the charges if possible. But if the facts reported are true, then a honest seeking of justice would argue that a standard plea bargain is appropriate. Negligently taking the life of another is pretty serious thing to do. She’ll have to do some time. And she won’t be in law enforcement any more. But I strongly suspect that in the end the local prosecutor will come to terms with her defense and they’ll strike a plea agreement with terms for a sentencing memo.
I doubt there will even be a civil trial.
@35 “Also you take pains to not explain the system.”
I have better things to do than try to educate a tree stump.
@39 Nope only no Texan would have gone into that apartment knowing it was not their own. If it is someone else’s they know they could get shot, and their relatives at best can only collect the life insurance. This being the case there is no laws covering mistake as Texans are the most careful people on Earth. Truly a delightful bunch.
@36 Hard to tell how much of it is deliberate, but there’s definitely some trolling going on here. Maybe he fancies himself picking up Puddy’s torch. The loon seems to have disappeared.
@37 I think that means it doesn’t occur to him that the rules in Texas may have evolved some over the last 140 years.
Jesus, Shortbus. Take my advice and stay on excellent terms with your shift supervisor at Taco Bell. And whatever you do, don’t fuck anything up. Your demonstrated situational awareness does not inspire confidence.
@38 “Facebook is actually clever”
The idea of setting up a chat room, spying on everyone who enters, then selling what you learn to marketers is clever in the same sense that stealing Social Security or credit card numbers is, although hardly original as blackmailers have been stealing sensitive personal info for ages. But then, nothing under the sun is original; everything’s been done before. The world, as it always has been, is full of clever crooks; and Zuckerberg is just another iteration of an obnoxious clever thief.
@42 So counsel explain the castle doctrine as is the backdrop of what we are talking about here.
If it had happened in her apartment she would not be charged. She would not be charged with manslaughter, and potentially could get away with what many would call murder. In Washington state under similar circumstances she could be charged with manslaughter. And that shiny badge again makes a difference. Though it is not unknown for a prosecutor here to do something publicly to calm folks down and then drop the charges after further review. A little thing like an on gong election not at all being a factor
@46 who also owns a major newspaper and has contracts with the CIA. Maybe has had dinner dates with Mr. Brennan.
@40 “You first.”
That’s non-responsive to my question.
“What is your bar number.”
Oh, you clever little devil, you. That would give you my true identity. I’ll bet for a minute there you believed you about to pull off what all this blog’s trolls have failed to do for over 14 years. Sorry. Bzzzzzzt. Time’s up. Next contestant, please.
“You are supposedly the attorney and you should know the basics on this”
I get the distinct impression you’re in no position to know whether I do or not.
“Based on the information thus far and Texas I am sure the officer will walk”
I’m not, although I wouldn’t rule it out.
“I would not at all be surprised if it never goes to trail and is dropped by the Prosecutor after an appropriate amount of time.”
Let’s discuss this some more after you learn how to spell “trial,” but for now, I doubt a prosecutor who has filed charges, had the defendant arrested, and announced he plans to seek upgraded charges from a grand jury intends to quietly drop a case receiving national news coverage.
See #36 for additional reaction to your surmises.
@22 That type of enforcement is generally left up to the states. Or the individual employee has to duke it out in state court. Wage theft takes place. What is amazing is that it takes place right here in this state on the agricultural side all to frequently. One might think employers would be diligent in their efforts to pay for all hours worked in order to keep the lower wage for agricultural workers rather than pay all their workers minimum wage, but no there are employers who will happily steal from 2nd class employees.
@41 That’s my take. The city doubtless is already conferring with its insurance carrier, if it has one. Assuming the insurer is a major carrier, after consulting with their actuary, they’ve probably already set aside reserves for a couple of hurricanes, several forest fires, a couple dozen tornados, thousands of car accidents, and one super-dumb cop. They probably assume there will be least one of those every fiscal year, and if they get a year when there’s not, that’s like winning the lotto.
@49 So you are either a bull shitter or a very unethical attorney. I actually know how to use a sniffer probe and I know how to hack. While I am sure Goldie has a decent level of security on Horsesass I rather doubt it is all that high to protect the proletariat masses like ourselves. Or could be I have friends at no such agency. Just be glad I won’t stoop down to your level of ethics.
Is that Prosecutor facing reelection? I have not looked that up, just could be a factor, and the Dallas police have been under fire for some years now. Hmmm municipal elections in Dallas.
https://ballotpedia.org/Municipal_elections_in_Dallas_County,_Texas_(2018)
You apparently have not heard about the Texas two step. It refers to more than a country barn dance,
@43 “Texans are the most careful people on Earth”
Yeah, like all the ones who evacuated ahead of Harvey. All 6 of them.
I have elderly relatives in the crosshairs of Florence. Family members have been trying to contact them without luck. I hope they’re getting the hell out of there. They live about 10 streets inland from the beach.
And if the woman is actually also the girlfriend and could claim residency in both apartments….
First it’s “Wyatt Earp”.
Now “sniffer probe”????
I don’t even…
54,
…then it’s murder, genius.
@52 Ooooo, a little thin-skinned, are you? Did that last one get to you? It seems so.
Abusing trolls is what we do on this blog. When you come here and post shit, you’re asking for it.
You blinked first. You lose. Thanks for playing.
Do NOT threaten to “out” me or any other poster. This is your only and final warning. That will get you permanently banned from this blog.
@56 It is a homicide, and Wyatt was involved with serveral after the Ok corral, But murder.
@57 You are just a cartoon rabbit. Now the person who is doing the beeping should be exposed. Those folks who go to the bar this evening should tell you to come clean, because they know who you are, or frankly tell you they will tell folks who you are. RR in particular is probably known there. Some of you others maybe not so much, unless you go there and brag, which some of you have probably done. Any one going can figure that out either after one trip or several.
I have no problem outing you. I think you and the other yahoos on should be outed. You bring shame upon your party. I am on here as myself, you should be too. I doubt any of you are under any real threat, but if you are worthy human beings and want to say stuff on here like you do, do it as yourselves.
I will out you RR. Though I do not mind if you appear on here as an unethical attorney as that undermines your credibility. Maybe the trolls should go to the bar this evening. Maybe the regulars in the group there ought to have a discussion with you on this bullshit. I know your boss in Vietnam would have a wall to wall discussion with you if he is still living with you, particularly if I throw a coin on the table to match his, or he is buying the drinks.
Honesty and integrity mean something except to you as you have neither.
I will out you so what you going to do, as you made a threat on here. What you going to do RR. What you going to do if I come down to a certain bar and ask questions.
58,
homicide is the generic term and would encompass manslaughter.
The most recent series of written questions for the nominee are focused on his extensive history of unusual debts and inexplicable income and include some very specific and pointed questions implying that perhaps the nominee enjoys a casual game of chance from time to time.
Fantastic. A degenerate gambler who lies all the time. Great pick.
Susan Collins will never be a hero.
But you can.
And for as little as $20.20
https://t.co/VshoGeTtcG
@59 “You are just a cartoon rabbit.”
You can’t even get that right, although you can be given for this blooper, because you’re relatively new here and don’t know the history. I wouldn’t expect you to be aware of what I’ve previously posted about where my screen name came from.
It does NOT derive from the Disney cartoon character. In the early days of this blog, in order to remain a moving target, I changed names frequently. At one point, I was “Alan,” and then a troll called me a prick, so I became “Alan the Prick,” and then I moved on to “Roger,” just plain Roger, and eventually “Rabbit” was tacked on for its alliterative qualities.
In my 100,000+ posts on this blog over the last 14 years, I have never once postured as the Disney character, and whenever someone else tried to link my HA persona to the movie, I issued a denial, as I am doing now. When I post links to rabbit pictures or rabbit videos (e.g., a laughing rabbit; or, in the past, a shot of a rabbit’s hind end), it is never and I mean NEVER a picture of video of the Disney character. Not only because of copyright issues, but even more because my HA persona did not originate or derive from, and has no connection to, the Disney cartoon character. Thus, “Jessica” is not my love interest; “Mrs. Rabbit” and a legion of “cute fluffy [unnamed] bunnies” are.
You have now been informed of the origins of HA’s “Roger Rabbit.” You are completely at liberty to use the phrase “cartoon rabbit” as a form of insult; poo-flinging is allowed and encouraged on this blog; insulting each other is what we do here, and is one of the things that makes this sewer unique. But kindly do not regard me as impersonating a Disney cartoon character, because that simply isn’t true, and that was not the inspiration for HA’s Roger Rabbit. The wheel was invented many times, in many places, by many different people; there are at least two “Roger Rabbits” in this world, which is unsurprising because the words “Roger” and “Rabbit” are both very common words in the English language, and these two “Roger Rabbits” have nothing to do with each other. They were not born of the same parents, are not related to each other, and they are two dots in the universe between which there is no connecting line, only empty space, a vacuum. Thank you in advance for observing the distinction in the future.
@57 I look forward to hearing from Goldie as this is his blog, not yours you cartoon rabbit, unless Goldie is also you, as you are just a sock puppet. Until you come clean and become a human being as yourself.
@59 “they know who you are”
Goldy and Darryl do.
“they will tell folks who you are”
They haven’t for 14 years, and I doubt they will tonight.
“RR in particular is probably known there”
Unlikely, as RR has attended Seattle DL exactly once in the last 5 years.
“I have no problem outing you.”
I have a great big problem with it, and in exactly 30 seconds from now, I’m sending an email to Goldy asking him to ban you from this blog.
Now, if you’ll ask me, I have an administrative matter to take care of.
@63 I am not Goldy. If you wish to submit a complaint about me, or contact him for some other reason, you can email him at goldy@horsesass.org.
http://horsesass.org/about-me/
You can also use that address to ask him to deny the request I just sent to him to permanently ban you from posting on his blog. If you tell him you didn’t mean it when you threatened to “out” me, and promise not to do that, he might let you stay. That would be okay with me, as long as he and I can feel confident that your judgment is better than a sixth grader’s and your word is worth something.
As for the rest: Flinging poo, insulting, and mocking is what everyone does here. That’s what this blog’s comment threads are all about. If that’s distasteful to you, to the point of driving you to want revenge, then this blog is not for you, and you should find some other platform to express yourself on. In other words, if you can’t stand the heat, then get out of the kitchen. We don’t pick on trolls after they leave. The verbal abuse we heap on the trolls who come here stops when they choose to disengage. While this blog tends to be the Wild West, there are certain things that aren’t permitted here, and doxing is one of them. I would also point out that doxing could expose you to serious legal liability if you dox and someone gets hurt as a result.
correction @64 “excuse me” not “ask me”
Did Shortbus ever complain about people spending too much time here?
Just asking for another hypocritical Repuke – he’s trying to learn something from his example.
WTF
I read somewhere this a.m.you wanted to bet me. I don’t gamble. 53 years ago I made a promise not smoke anymore, not drink,not go out fuck anything in a skirt, and not gamble. lead a good life, if I could get the hell out of a certain shit hole. So far I have kept that promise.
RR
You and I agree on almost nothing over the last 14 plus years. However I truly hope your relatives are 3 or 4 hundred miles inland.
Somebody at Heritage Foundation, a rightwing think tank supported by such notorious donors as the Coors, DeVos, and Scaife families, thinks Trump should get the Nobel Prize in Economics for his “economic achievements.”
https://www.aol.com/article/news/2018/09/11/columnist-suggests-trump-deserves-the-2018-nobel-prize-in-economics/23524402/
Bullshit. Laughable. Ridiculous. Those are the words that come to my mind about this.
@68 Thank you so much. I truly appreciate that. So far we’re unable to contact them; family members are trying. They have a summer place in Nova Scotia and we hope that’s where they are now.
@67 I don’t think so.
Back in the 1990s, it was very common for rightwingers posting on blogs to mock liberal posters by saying they “have too much time on their hands.” I don’t see that one used very much anymore, and I don’t recall M.A. ever using it on HA.
The whiny little shrinking violet did follow through on complaining to Goldy about me, though. Goldy rightly declined to punish me.
It appears Shortbus isn’t acclimatized to the HA cesspool yet, although he oughta be by now, because he’s been here a while. I didn’t threaten him (I would never do that to anyone, and I’m not looking for physical fights), although you can read the last sentence of his comment @59 as possibly a physical threat directed against me.
Yes, I’m as acerbic as anyone else here, but if he can’t take the poo slinging on this blog, he should go to a different blog. Stefan can’t accommodate him anymore, but I’m sure he’d be welcome on Free Republic, given his proclivities. The unique characteristics of this blog’s comment threads aren’t likely to change. We’ve beaten up on godwin and Puddy a lot worse than him, and they don’t go running to mother about it. They deserve some credit for sticking around and taking it. This would be a dull place without trolls willing to be kicked around.
Republican President PornSweat transfered $10 million away from FEMA to pay for more border storm troopers ripping sobbing Guatemalan toddlers from their desperate mother’s arms and locking them in darkened tile-lined rooms without water or blankets.
Just as a Cat 4 hurricane is heading straight toward NC-9.
God’s wrath later this week. The people’s wrath Nov. 6th.
We used to have a BIAW guy here, who we treated somewhat roughly for hating workers, but he retired and moved to Montana to fuck goats. I hope that’s making him happy if he’s still alive.
“In 2012, North Carolina legislators passed a bill that barred policymakers and developers from using up-to-date climate science to plan for rising sea levels on the state’s coast. Now Hurricane Florence threatens to cause a devastating storm surge that could put thousands of lives in danger and cost the state billions of dollars worth of damage.”
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/north-carolina-sea-level-rise-hurricane-florence_us_5b985a87e4b0162f4731da0e
Roger Rabbit Commentary: Occurrences like this challenge the beliefs of atheists.
“Multiple reports are indicating that Paul Manafort … is in talks with the … special counsel’s office about a potential plea deal.”
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/12/paul-manafort-ex-trump-campaign-chairman-in-plea-deal-talks-report-.html
Thank you.