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DLBottleOnce again, tonight is an election night with primaries in Arkansas, Georgia and Kentucky, and some runoff elections in Texas. Stop by tonight’s edition of the Seattle Chapter of Drinking Liberally and join our conversations about politics, elections, guns, the media, bike lanes, head tax….

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  1. 1

    Yup, looks like Trump is gonna have another really good week.

    Thinking about the elections in 2018, if the election for U.S. Congress were held today, would you vote for the Democratic candidate or the Republican candidate in your district where you live?

    WEEK ENDING MAY 20TH, 2018
    1,342 Responses

    Republican candidate
    35.6%
    Democratic candidate
    31.7%
    Don’t know / Refused
    15.2%
    Will not/do not plan to vote
    11.2%
    Candidate from another political party
    6.3%

    http://polling.reuters.com/#!r.....apsed/true
    v

  2. 2

    Documents shared and info leaked to news organizations by Obama’s DOJ team indicate that his intelligence agencies were essentially spying on the opposing party’s presidential candidate.

    Documents that DOJ is not willing to share must be much, much worse than that.

  3. 3

    I see that GE has been on a bit of a roll of late, up 10% or so in the past month.

    If GE climbs another 55%, the valuation will be pretty close to where it was last October, when Roger Dumbfuck Rabbit informed us that it was one of his largest holdings, expounded on the importance of its since-halved dividend, and recommended the stock.

  5. 5

    2,
    Conducting surveillance of foreign espionage rings is what they are supposed to do.

    And voting to elect the foreign espionage ring to be your party’s nominee for President is what drooling klownservaturd meatbags addicted to Facebook and Twitter are supposed to do.

    This is your revolution. Own it.

  6. 6

    “…intelligence agencies were essentially spying on the opposing their own party’s presidential candidate.”

    Something, something about “accuracy”.

  7. 7

    “…intelligence agencies were essentially spying on the opposing their own party’s presidential candidate.”

    And now that he’s President, they still are! Weird, right?
    #owngoal

  8. 8

    @2 “Documents shared and info leaked to news organizations by Obama’s DOJ team indicate that his intelligence agencies were essentially spying on the opposing party’s presidential candidate.”

    It’s routine practice to spy on traitors and enemies. All governments, including ours, do it all the time.

  9. 9

    @1 Wherein Doctor Dumbfuck is excited that his party is polling 35.6%. After all, it could be worse.

  10. 10

    @3 It’s not too late to buy GE, dumbfuck. There’s still another 55% of upside out there, at least according to you. I wouldn’t short it now, though. You missed the boat on that.

  12. 12

    In re 11 above:
    It’s actually a revealing read, even without the Roypublican kid-fucking.

    The communications revealed in these reports are not only emails handled by overseas servers, but they are encrypted emails. Which, though for national security reasons we will never be allowed to know, strongly indicates NSA Prism-type program captures. But these are the most classified surveillance programs (nobody knows their names) due to their foreign sourcing and the decryption capabilities.

    In other words, they were accessing the encrypted overseas based communications of the members of the multiple espionage rings as part of this wide ranging investigation. And when you combine that with how careless we know many of these idiots to have been about their communications and device security, it probably means we ain’t seen nothing yet.

    Which is why it is so vewwwy-vewwwy important for “the traitors among us” to selectively yet vaguely imply law enforcement wrong doing. The DOJ has got the goods on these scumbags. And the guilty parties know it better than anyone else.

  14. 14

    @13 Sounds to me like Pence is threatening Kim’s life. Since that’s why he acquired nukes in the first place, that doesn’t seem like the best strategy to persuade him to give them up.

  15. 15

    Funny how an administration obsessed with confiscating weapons that will never be used from a country on the other side of the planet is equally obsessed with allowing the unfettered possession of weapons here at home that produce mass casualties in our schools, on average, once a week.

  17. 17

    Remember Cheney’s secret energy task force, chaired by the CEO of a criminal organization engaged in perpetrating one of the worst corporate frauds in American history? As far as we can tell, what emerged from this cabal’s secret meetings was a scheme to seize Iraq’s oil by military force, but in the end all they could steal was Iraq’s antiquities and art treasures.

    Skulking Republicans do in darkness what they could never get away with in broad daylight. Pruitt is cast from the same mold. He and his corporate cronies are now plotting to poison our drinking water in order to fatten their profits. What the stupes who elect them will get is not jobs, but sick kids.

  18. 18

    Update of #16: Reporters aren’t just being barred from Pruitt’s conference on poisoning our drinking water supply, they’re being assaulted.

    “A reporter was grabbed and shoved by a security guard at the EPA headquarters in Washington on Tuesday while trying to attend a meeting on water contaminants. Reporters from multiple organizations were barred from attending.

    “The meeting took place after recently discovered emails from the agency showed that the White House and the EPA hoped to block a federal study on a water-contamination crisis after a Trump aide said it would cause a ‘public relations nightmare.'”

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/reporters-barred-1-shoved-out-of-epa-meeting-on-water-contaminants_us_5b042d12e4b0c0b8b23e7219

    Roger Rabbit Commentary: Doctor Dumbfuck and Puddy helped build this.

  19. 19

    Super pessimism from Chris Hedges:

    “As a foreign correspondent I covered collapsed societies, including the former Yugoslavia. It is impossible for any doomed population to grasp how fragile the decayed financial, social and political system is on the eve of implosion. All the harbingers of collapse are visible: crumbling infrastructure; chronic underemployment and unemployment; the indiscriminate use of lethal force by police; political paralysis and stagnation; an economy built on the scaffolding of debt; nihilistic mass shootings in schools, universities, workplaces, malls, concert venues and movie theaters; opioid overdoses that kill some 64,000 people a year…

    We suffer the usual pathologies of impending death. I would be happy to be wrong. But I have seen this before. I know the warning signs. All I can say is get ready.”

    https://www.commondreams.org/views/2018/05/21/coming-collapse

    The world freaks like boob and the babbling butthole built.

  20. 20

    Sorry OP, $75 a month is crumbs in my book.

    “While the average middle-class family will get about a $75-a-month tax cut — more than the “crumbs” Nancy Pelosi, the House Democratic leader, described — the plan is above all a giveaway to corporate America and the wealthiest taxpayers. The largesse hasn’t been shared. Since the tax cut was enacted, the economy has averaged almost 200,000 additional jobs a month; that’s barely up from President Barack Obama’s last year…

    The Republicans’ biggest canard is their contention that this partisan sop to the rich is analogous to a bipartisan, revenue-neutral measure in 1986 that sharply lowered tax rates by closing loopholes for special interests. Both are tax reform, the Republicans claim. That’s like saying both Warren Buffett and Bernie Madoff are investors. We know which plan added value, and we know which one is a scam. “

    https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-05-20/republicans-hurt-by-tax-cuts-and-health-care

    I read that Sheldon Adelson’s gambling empire gained $670 million dollars from this tax scam.. Just wrote a 30+ million dollar check to the Republicans didn’t he?

  21. 21

    @20 It’s a payoff to the GOP’s billionaire donors, pure and simple. It’s happened before. In the 1996-2000 election cycle, billionaires gave $4 billion to GOP candidates, and got $400 billion of Bush tax cuts in return, a 100 to 1 return on investment.

  22. 22

    Why ‘froggy will always need the Democrat Party:

    Democrats’ Next Big Thing: Government-Guaranteed Jobs

    The most aggressive plans seek to all but eradicate unemployment and to set a new wage floor for all working Americans, pressuring private employers to raise wages if they want to compete for workers.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/22/us/politics/democrats-guaranteed-jobs.html

    That’s to say nothing of the pressure that would be required to force a private employer to hire ‘froggy. No matter how low the wage.

  26. 26

    @23 Given your affection for the HA cesspool, I doubt even a rotten egg would keep you away.

  27. 27

    Another one bites the dust.

    Daniel Borden, 19, entered a plea in connection with the violent Aug. 12, 2017, attack on DeAndre Harris at a Charlottesville parking garage. Borden, who was set to go to trial next month, was reportedly known in his hometown for giving Nazi salutes, and was in Charlottesville for the white nationalist “Unite the Right” rally.

    Loyal Trump supporter Borden can be seen in the video standing over Harris beating him with a club.
    Extra Fun Fact: During pre-trial Borden’s attorney argued that his client couldn’t get a fair trial in Charlottesville because the police didn’t even charge Heather Heyer with jay walking.
    No really. It’s in the record.

    Very fine people.

  28. 28

    @ 27

    Extra Fun Fact: During pre-trial Borden’s attorney argued that his client couldn’t get a fair trial in Charlottesville because the police didn’t even charge Heather Heyer with jay walking.
    No really. It’s in the record.

    No, really. It’s not.

    Hallahan previously argued that Borden wouldn’t be able to get a fair trial in Charlottesville, and said at a March 29 motions hearing that the city has shown an “absolute sheer bias” against rally participants by pursuing charges against them but not prosecuting people for jaywalking or blocking Fourth Street during the car attack in which a white supremacist rammed his car into a crowd of people, killing Heather Heyer and injuring many others.

    http://www.c-ville.com/daniel-borden/#.WwSMINMvxke

    I don’t want to be seen defending the guy. But what he did is bad enough without you making shit up about it.

    I assume you misread what was published. Unless since Heather Heyer was a person and was not prosecuted for jaywalking you decided you had literary license to purposefully mislead. While absolute fucking assholes like Roger Dumbfuck Rabbit are not above doing that, you are not among them.

  29. 29

    This speaks for itself, too:

    “President Trump lately has juggled three related international challenges perilous enough to test the deftest diplomat. Suddenly he’s at risk of fumbling all three. His nuclear summit with North Korea may not happen, his trade confrontation with China has yielded little, and his decision to scrap the Iran nuclear deal has not produced a realistic path toward a new one. If the president possesses the deal-making skills he touts, he has succeeded mostly at concealing them.”

    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/22/trump-risks-fumbling-on-north-korea-iran-and-china.html

    How’s this amateur presidency working for you dumbfucks? I see the Dow dropped 178 points today. I think we can assume the GOP’s poll numbers — the ones Doctor Dumbfuck bragged about a couple of comments ago — will follow suit.

  31. 31

    @28 “I don’t want to be seen defending the guy. But what he did is bad enough without you making shit up about it.”

    Shades of Jane Fonda.

    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/jane-fonda-pows/

    And speaking of making up shit …

    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/john-kerry-3/

    … not to mention the whole Swift Boat thing. And then there’s “Obama is a Muslim who was born in Kenya and indoctrinated by Indonesian madrasses … ”

    A Republican complaining about “making up shit” is like Ted Bundy complaining about crime in his neighborhood.

  32. 32

    @ 29

    I see the Dow dropped 178 points today.

    So, then you must also see that it’s still up 120 points for the week, Roger Dumbfuck Rabbit.

    I wonder what Roger Dumbfuck Rabbit would have had to say on Election Night:

    Dow futures plunge 800 points as Trump makes surprise election gains

    https://nypost.com/2016/11/08/stock-market-quivers-as-trump-makes-surprise-election-gains/

    It’s also up 6,000+ points since Trump’s election.

    You’re a fucking clown, Roger Dumbfuck Rabbit. Maybe redeem yourself in your own mind by giving us something from Krugman. You know, a first-pass something.

  33. 33

    Harley Davidson is taking the GOP tax cut and investing in a new factory. In Bangkok. Buying back stocks too.

    WI you fucked that one right up. You believed and now there will be no more jobs and no more Milwaukee Metal Machines after 2019 model year. Enjoy those Thai Motorcycles. Favorite son Paul Ryan fucked you all in the ass and heads for the private sector.

    But we’re not supposed to call Trump voters stupid. It makes them upset.

  34. 34

    @32 “It’s also up 6,000+ points since Trump’s election.”

    10 points of which have accumulated since Jan. 2. And what has happened since Jan. 2? Trump’s North Korea, China, and Iran policy announcements. That’s what those policies are worth, 10 Dow points.

  35. 35

    @ 33

    You’re right, H-D should stay put and just keep taking it in the ass.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2018/01/30/harley-davidson-kansas-city-plant-motorcycle-sales-fall/1078008001/

    Prolonged downturn, headwinds from unfavorable exchange rates to millenials pulling a YLB and deciding their clit rings will clash with chrome, and declining profitability over a series of years.

    Yup, Cz-252, best thing to do is nothing. You know, like what Hillary did with Wisconsin when she campaigned in 2016.

  36. 36

    @35 ” … millenials pulling a YLB and deciding their clit rings will clash with chrome … ”

    This is what an embittered Doctor Dumbfuck looks like when even his own horses and goats reject him.

  37. 37

    @ 34

    Compare the Dow’s 2018 performance to that of GE – no, go ahead – and you’ll begin to see 2018 a little differently, Roger Dumbfuck Rabbit.

    Although with one @ 32 post I compelled you to admit that the Dow being up a smidgeon for the year pretty much negates your pitiful @ 29 spew about a bit of a down day in the markets today, Roger Dumbfuck Rabbit.

    You’re a fucking clown. Nothing will change that.

  38. 38

    Harley Davidson stock, Nov. 7, 2016: $54.21
    Harley Davidson stock, May 22, 2018: $42.63

    So much for Trump’s manufacturing renaissance.

  39. 39

    @37 “Although with one @ 32 post I compelled you to admit that the Dow being up a smidgeon for the year pretty much negates your pitiful @ 29 spew about a bit of a down day in the markets today, Roger Dumbfuck Rabbit.”

    You’ve got me dead to rights there, doc. I’m compelled to admit the Dow lost 94.7% of this year’s gains today because things aren’t going well in Trump’s trade negotiations with China.

  40. 40

    @ 38

    HOG dividend 2016 Q4: 35 cents
    HOG dividend current: 37 cents

    GE dividend 2016 Q4: 24 cents
    GE dividend current: 12 cents

    This is really not an argument that will end up making you look good, Roger Dumbfuck Rabbit. But by all means, keep it up. After all, last Fall GE was one of your largest holdings, and I’m sure you are very proud of the performance of a stock in which you entrusted so much of your family’s future.

    I’ll bet your family is proud of how well GE has done since you recommended it, Roger Dumbfuck Rabbit.

  42. 42

    @40 “since you recommended it”

    Speaking of making shit up … this one rates four pinocchios.

  43. 43

    “…had literary license to purposefully mislead in any venue other than Twitter

    ftfy
    #owngoal

  44. 44

    @40 Let’s see how good HOG makes you look …

    HOG dividends paid since Nov. 7, 2016: $2.55
    Net change in stock price since Nov. 7, 2016: -$11.58
    Total return since Trump elected: -$9.03 per share

  45. 45

    @ 44

    Now do GE, and express your results on a percent basis.

    Think like the two guys being chased by a bear, Roger Dumbfuck Rabbit.

    I don’t have to outrun the bear, I merely need to outrun you. And I left you in the dust years ago, Fleeing Felon.

    You’re a fucking clown, Roger Dumbfuck Rabbit.

  46. 46

    Honestly, Dumbfuck. What on earth compels you against all your once better judgement to put on your Stars and Bars cape and fly to the rescue of This guy?
    Is it the catchy slogan on the hat?
    The moles?(you do seem to have a preoccupation)
    There’s real pathology here, Dumbfuck. Information to be had if you ever care to take a look.

    Sure, I pushed the boundaries of honesty, but not really very much compared to norms herein. His lawyer made the argument. Heyer was there. She was one of the innocents on 4th Street that day, targeted for death. She was just the only one unlucky enough to be killed. Those are exactly the people Borden’s lawyer was referring to. She is included because what is, just is. It was an appallingly stupid thing to argue in the record of a case like this. And it’s likely to cost his client some years. That’s so fucked up I should be defending it.

    And really, without going back and checking your record, how many times did you deliberately pass along whatever “misleading” bullshit you could nit-comb from the Klownservaturd-Paranoia Webs to smear some relatively innocent African American dead or beaten at the hands of cops or racists? I don’t need to look. The question answers itself. Compared to your rhetorical norms, what I said about this kid’s lawyer should be on his Wikipedia page.

    Wake up, Dumbfuck. You are well down the Orange Pussy Grappink/Sunni Terror/Russian/Nazi sympathizing hole when you find yourself getting on a high horse for these people… just like Trump.
    See how that works? Everything he touches, he cheapens and destroys. You too.

  47. 47

    @45 Rabbits don’t have to run from man-eating bears. We just sit back on our haunches and watch the show.

  50. 50

    “It’s also up 6,000+ points since Trump’s election.”

    Only 25,000 to go and your Orange Moron will have actually matched the DOW’s performance under the Kenyan usurper!

  54. 54

    Today was primary election day across the south and progressive women dominated the Democratic primaries, with Georgia voters nominating a black woman for a governorship for the first time in American history. The times they are a’changin’.

  55. 55

    Already drowning in fiscal irresponsibility, Trump plans to peddle more tax cuts.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/22/donald-trump-says-he-will-propose-new-tax-cuts-prior-to-november.html

    He gave no details, but it’s not hard to guess. The holy grail of GOP tax policy, and the focal point of Republicans’ longstanding aspirations, is that the rich will pay no taxes at all, and only wages will be taxed. In other words, honest work will be punished even more than it is now.

    My conscience won’t allow me to support such immoral policies, of course, but as a member of the owner class and a lazy rabbit who does no productive work whatsoever and contributes nothing of any economic value to society, I personally benefit from any capitalist-coddling, worker-punished tax scheme; and the more sinister and evil it is, the more I cash in from it. So, when Republicans win, I win too. You can’t defeat the rabbit.

  56. 56

    @54 “with Georgia voters nominating a black woman for a governorship for the first time in American history”

    That has to make Dr. Dumbfuck extremely upset, since the candidate is a woman and she is black . That must make him nearly burst a vein. Probably on an airplane to the South to burn a cross and put that ‘uppity black woman” in her place. Probably will spread more lies like she was born in Kenya and owns GE stock.

  57. 57

    Wow y’all HA libbies seem pretty ginned up over the prospect of a female black governor.

    A few years ago America elected its first female Hispanic governor, remember that?

    And what did y’all do in response?

    Was New Mexico Gov. Susana Martinez Drunk at Rowdy Hotel Party?

    https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/12/susana-martinez-inebriated-hotel/

    You didn’t even treat a murdering drunk like Ted Kennedy that way. Hell, you acted like alcohol was what made him Superman:

    The Kennedy legacy was made possible by the power of scotch.

    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2015/09/ted-kennedy-scotch-senate-interview

  59. 59

    @54

    From a purely political standpoint GA Democratic primary is causing the GOP to reach for the Pepto.

    Georgia is a hair over 30% Black. The effect of having a a black woman at the top of the ballot on down ballot Federal and Local elections is not insignificant.

    GOP won GA Governorship in 2014 with 52.8%. GA-6 is most definitely in play as a D pick up. GA-5 maybe too. GA-7? You know those suburban Atlanta districts?

  60. 60

    @ 59

    GA-6 is most definitely in play as a D pick up. GA-5 maybe too. GA-7? You know those suburban Atlanta districts?

    It’s like John Ossoff never existed to you, isn’t it?

  61. 61

    @60

    He did, and the person who just barely beat him instead of drawing a white male opponent now has to beat a black female.

    But we know you don’t see color.

  62. 62

    I was well into adulthood when I saw a list of literary prize winners and noticed that Phillip Roth had won just about everything there is to win and yet was a gaping hole in my reading list. The used bookstore near my apartment had a copy of “The Human Stain” the next time I went in.

    Farewell

  63. 63

    Was New Mexico Gov. Susana Martinez Drunk at Rowdy Hotel Party?

    Susana who?

    Oh that Susana Martinez..

    Someone who ought to lower her nose just a tad into a manual on how to do her f’in job.

    Or perhaps “someone no one ever liked”.

    Someone with a great future on the national stage. Just heard she dined with der drumpfer.

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