Please join us this evening as the Seattle Chapter of Drinking Liberally meets for an evening of friends, fellowship, fine arts, and…mocking the hell out of the lunatic fringe that the right wing has self-lobotomized itself into. Oh…and the fragrant beverage of your choice.
We meet every Tuesday at the Roanoke Park Place Tavern, 2409 10th Ave E, Seattle. You’ll find us in the small room at the back of the tavern beginning about 8pm.
Can’t make it to Seattle? Check out one of the 239 chapters of Living Liberally, including 23 in Washington state, five in Oregon and three in Idaho. Find, or go out and start, a chapter near you.
You can NEVER trust businesses not to cut corners in their pursuit of profit maximization. Private companies, like car drivers, simply aren’t capable of self-policing. Traffic flows smoothly, and casualties are minimized, because we have traffic laws and cops to enforce them. For the same reason, we need government oversight of private businesses.
“A scandal has erupted beyond company borders in Japan over false data supplied by Kobe Steel over the strength and durability of its products used in some mission-critical applications indeed — in cars, aircraft and perhaps a rocket. … The falsification was intended to make metals look like they met clients’ quality standards. … Kobe Steel has acknowledged shipping products (which include copper and aluminum products) to more than 200 customers but didn’t disclose their names.”
Those 200 companies likely included some Boeing suppliers.
https://seekingalpha.com/news/3300061-steel-data-falsification-scandal-spreading-japanese-industry?uprof=46#email_link
Looks like I’m neck-deep in shit, all because I couldn’t keep my hands to myself.
Shoulda just hired some hookers from Tijuana.
“I am thrilled, at long last, to learn that there is someone out there worse than Bill.”
NBC News ✔@NBCNews
JUST IN: Hillary Clinton releases statement on Harvey Weinstein allegations
10:31 AM – Oct 10, 2017
2 – No Harvey, it was the women’s fault. They were wearing provocative and sexually suggestive clothing, inviting the sexual advances from you. You’re the victim here, not those publicity-seeking bitches!
2,
It’s obvious you are a piece of shit. But you get no cover from anyone, anywhere now. Whether or not Hollywood investors ever see fit to let you make decisions with their money ever again is doubtful. But you’ll get absolutely nobody apologizing or defending you. Nobody will try to soften your fall or call for more time to “gather all the facts”. No indemnification. No protection. Rather than shy away from your story, the media and particularly the entertainment media will go on a shark feeding frenzy to uncover every scintilla of dirt and publish it instantly. No excuses will be offered on your behalf. Nobody will attempt to “mansplain” or “whitesplain” your abuses in a more flattering light. No passing it off as “harmless”. Nobody will call you a “very fine person”. And certainly nobody will grant you a pardon.
Right about now you wish you were a Republican.
@2 or Russia….Or just married some whore from some foreign Country, like where Melania and Ivana, or even some local bimbo like Maples.
@4 seriously, they all kept it to themselves for years. Why? And now they all want to come forward?
4,
Nor should we forget that the accusers are all “a little bit nutty, and a little bit slutty”.
That one really saved my ass.
How desperate are Republicans to draw attention away from Drumpf? They need something like a pussy grabber to focus on. Not like there is other shit to address in this Country, that isn’t getting addressed by their Humpty Dumpty.
This Country has a problem with Frat boys raping the women then they are surprised that women are being harassed….sounds like a heterosexual problem.
@2 Or, if you enjoy being peed on, cozied up to Vlad.
Or shilled for KKKonservatives like me!
@3 “I am thrilled, at long last, to learn that there is someone out there worse than Bill.”
Would you please provide a link to where NBC reported Hillary said this? I can’t verify that through my Google searches. Thanks.
@5 “Right about now you wish you were a Republican.”
He’ll probably be one by tomorrow, now that he’s not welcome in Democratic circles anymore. Everyone knows character and behavior aren’t a social handicap in Republican circles.
@9 “They need something like a pussy grabber to focus on.”
If you’re trying to draw attention away from Trump, that’s probably not the best diversion to seize upon.
I’m making another $2500 in the stock market today. Yawn. (Picks teeth.) Funny, I don’t see Doctor Dumbfuck complaining about a “job” that pays over $300/hr. and doesn’t require me to show up or do any work. His hatred of high wages seems selective. It appears to apply only to poor people making $15/hr. or less. (And if you’re making $15/hr. in Seattle, you’re poor.)
Sometimes I think Doctor Dumbfuck would prefer to have his restaurant meals prepared and served by slaves. Certainly, he feels very strongly about restaurant workers being paid more than $7.25/hr. He likes robots because they don’t have to be paid at all. I don’t think it’s all about money, because anyone who can afford a hobby horse farm can also afford to pay another 25 or 50 cents for a cheeseburger.
I think it’s about domination. I think he’s a White Nationalist who resents paying restaurant workers to wait on him because they’re minorities. I think he feels minorities should be required to kiss his ass.
Which brings me to the subject of reincarnation. Specifically, where did this come from? It had to come from a past life. I think he was once a whip-wielding southern slaveowner who just can’t adjust to abolition in his subsequent lives.
I would guess he was a doctor back then, too. Before they had anesthetics or infection control. He may have been one of the medics who sawed limbs off screaming patients at Shiloh, Antietam, and Gettysburg. And maybe in WW1, too, in one of his subsequent lives. He strikes me as the type of doctor who would enjoy that sort of thing.
I hope he doesn’t take this personally. I admit it’s speculative. I’m just trying to make sense of his HA comments.
You must not be paying attention.
In other news, Michigan has begun to reform its teacher pension system:
“The new law takes measures to prevent and mitigate new unfunded liabilities while keeping promises to retirees. Teachers and school staff hired after February 2018 will be auto-enrolled in a defined contribution plan with a 10 percent combined contribution rate. Alternatively, participants can opt into a “hybrid” plan that uses a more realistic 6 percent assumed rate of return, short amortization schedules and equal cost-sharing between employees and employers. Plus, if hybrid plans slip below 85 percent of obligations, no new members can enroll.”
“Reason Report,” Summer 2017, Issue No. 152 (page 1)
Well, at least one state is trying to do something about unfunded liabilities. Washington is in fairly good shape, while Illinois and California are in serious trouble. It’s not just limited to blue states, either: South Carolina has a very serious problem with unfunded liabilities related to public employee pensions.
What the means, in the long run, is younger workers will have come to the realization that pensions, public or private, are fading away. What is left is defined contribution plans such as the 401k or an IRA. That’s just the way it’s going, just like people having land lines in their homes are dwindling. People who are paying attention will take actions accordingly to provide for their own retirements.
Meanwhile, back at the ranch …
“Poll: Trump’s approval rating drops in every state … in many of the states Trump easily carried last year … voters have soured on the president in 2017.”
https://www.aol.com/article/news/2017/10/10/poll-trumps-approval-rating-drops-in-every-state/23239078/
18,
We should absolutely be doing the same for the military.
A defined contribution plan that the member is responsible for and that pays out strictly according to what the member pays in plus appreciation, etc. Full retire at 48? Maybe. If you saved enough and the market grew enough. Healthcare for life? Only if you can afford the premiums after you retire. Sometimes that’s just the way it is. Things change. Fuck you.
Needing a cat video?
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/wild-sand-cat-kittens-video-first-time_us_59dcf1a7e4b0cee762dd6b8a?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009
Need a Kit Kat bar? Talk to RR he’s feeling pretty plush these days. Better yet should we rate RR and the doctor based on Halloween treats? Do corporate Democrats give better treats than Republicans?
20
Sounds like you haven’t been too successful in your career, George. Too bad. Sucks to be you.
The message was for younger people rather than losers like you. You can rot in the street for all I care.
I enjoyed John Oliver’s sketch, only he left something out. Slavery is one of the horrible things the British did was bequeath America with slavery and indentured servitude. .
“SEATTLE, WA – Seattle police were able to convince a woman holding a knife to drop the weapon during a short standoff in West Seattle Monday afternoon. …
“On Monday afternoon, police in West Seattle responded to a report of a knife attack along the 4100 block of Southwest College Street. The 26-year-old suspect had allegedly slashed another woman with a kitchen knife.
“Police caught up to the woman near the scene of the slashing and she was still carrying the knife. Officers created a perimeter around the woman and negotiators came to convince her to surrender. She surrendered after about 45 minutes and was taken to jail on an assault charge.”
https://patch.com/washington/seattle/after-west-seattle-slashing-police-get-woman-knife-surrender?utm_source=article-mostrecent&utm_medium=rss&utm_term=police%20%26%20fire&utm_campaign=recirc&utm_content=aol
Roger Rabbit Commentary: A snapshot of police doing their job the way it should be done. Kudos to these cops.
Why no outcry over the four soldiers Trump and Tillerson personally got killed in Niger?
Oh right, it’s never about lives it’s about scoring points. “What does it matter?”
22,
I agree completely with Gen. Patton. We really need to embrace this concept for all the younger folks. It’s for their own good. An opportunity for them to learn responsibility and self reliance. Like Las Vegas Police Officer Charleston Hartfield. Only 34. He still has plenty of time to sort out his priorities, pull himself up by his bootstraps, and start putting away for retirement.
Well, at least he did.
Meanwhile, a Salt Lake City police detective who arrested and handcuffed a hospital nurse for refusing to perform ablood draw in violation of her employer’s policies and the patient’s constitutional rights has been fired by the police department. He’s also been fired from his part-time paramedic gig. Possible criminal charges against him are pending.
https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/utah-officer-fired-after-nurses-arrest-caught-on-video/
Roger Rabbit Commentary: Good! I hope she sues his fascist ass, too. Rogue cops drag down the entire profession.
@20 @22 General George Patton would never have made such a statement and he would have chewed you up one side and down the other, and maybe used his pistols he took off a dead Mexican General. He would have called the button counting accountant you are. He would tell you the US Government has an obligation to the men he led to fulfill it’s promises to the troops.
Why don’t you go to Niger and explain your concept to the troops there. Or is your goal to make sure there are no troops, or we have to do a military draft. Even the Roman’s gave a retirement to the men who were recruited (drafted) if they survived their military service.
States have a responsibility to state workers already working for them, and the rules should not be changed to advantage the state. Some states have over promised. Others suffer from politicians willingness to make promises they are unwilling to pay for, or make sweetheart deals with large corporations. Or have retirement funds they put no funds into year after year. Nor are most politicians willing to pay state employees and teachers what they should be paid, and are paid in other nations, So that means states reneging on their obligations means unjust enrichment for the state, and a shirking of responsibility Still that is what states and politicians do. It is the way of the state. Particularly in times when political will is lacking. And fear has gotten it’s way into the system, and politicians are fearful of fear itself.
Spam Email of the Day
Subject line: “Work from home.” Email begins, “Hello, I have a job proposition for you. I know you may have been scammed before …” (stopped reading, delete button pushed)
Catalonia wants to be independent from Spain. I say good for them! While they’re at it, why not a homeland for the Basques of Spain/France?
@18 “What is left is defined contribution plans such as the 401k or an IRA.”
And the stock market. The problem with most 401ks is the money goes into mutual funds. Mutual funds suck. They exist solely to make fund managers wealthy. IRAs are okay if self-managed, and if you don’t put all the money in mutual funds or ETFs, otherwise they suck too. People don’t have to know anything about investing to invest in stocks successfully. Just buy a few of the Dow 30, don’t sell them, and reinvest the dividends. Thirty years from now you should be in great shape.
Let’s face it, the consumer economy is history, because in the future workers will have to provide their own job training, health insurance, and retirement. They should negotiate higher salaries with employers to offset the subtraction of these benefits from their compensation packages. And the need to self-fund these things necessarily means much, much less discretionary spending. Goodbye new cars every 3 years, home tradeups, vacation homes, boats and RVs, wine collections. The middle class can’t afford that stuff anymore. (They really never could.) Instead of being 70% of the economy, consumer spending will more likely be 50% or 55%. Or maybe 45%. Economic growth based on consumer spending will soon be a thing of the past. Think 1% to 2% growth a year for the next 1,000 years.
28,
Likewise the military and the bottomless commitment to healthcare and retirement. If we’re going to continue blowing up all the filthy brown heathens who threaten us, we can’t continue to attach lifetime annuities to the people we hire to do it. It’s just common sense… you ignorant bastard!
@20 “Fuck you.”
This attitude should do wonders for the recruiting and retention of military personnel who are getting arms and legs blown off in Afghanistan, and are about to be asked to get arms and legs blown off in Korea.
But if you’re a minority, as many service members are, who knows? You might get a Purple Heart for your wounds 67 years after your death and another medal for your bravery in combat 86 years after your death like this guy did.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Johnson_(World_War_I_soldier)
Goodbye new cars every 3 years, home tradeups, vacation homes, boats and RVs, wine collections. The middle class can’t afford that stuff anymore.
Hear, hear! Good man! Jolly good show!
Those things were for our generation. And in their time they were appropriate. But the times have changed and those things are no longer appropriate. Financial security is a fine thing. But the youngs will just have to make a choice between a consumer lifestyle and financial security. They simply can’t have both. That was for us. Not for them. Too bad. But that’s just the way it is.
33,
Re-start the draft.
Fixed.
Next!
They should learn to be more careful.
Just like they should learn to do without nice things like cars and televisions. Times have changed. Fuck ’em.
@21 Plush? Is that a typo?
plush
[pluhsh]
noun
1. a fabric, as of silk, cotton, or wool, whose pile is more than ⅛ inch (0.3 cm) high.
adjective
plusher, plushest.
2. expensively or showily luxurious: the plushest hotel in town.
3. abundantly rich; lush; luxuriant: plush, rolling lawns.
@28 “Even the Roman’s gave a retirement to the men who were recruited (drafted) if they survived their military service.”
Of course, the guys running the Roman military knew how to keep the pension system actuarially sound by managing the survival rate during the years of active service. Whenever the budget was pressed, they simply went looking for more Huns to fight.
@34 Exactly. We can’t afford tax cuts for the rich and pensions for the middle class at the same time. We have to choose one or the other.
@35 You first. I’ll catch up with you at the front line later. When you need a stretcher.
It’s time to look at ourselves and the overseas empire. Over 900 bases overseas? Really? Let’s unwind the empire.
Take Korea – it’s time for the South Koreans to field their own nuclear capability. Also, the Japanese need to develop a nuclear capability.
If you start at the North Pole and draw a line paralleling the eastern edge of the Ural Mountains, South towards the Equator, thence East to the International Date Line, thence North to the North Pole, the triangle described therein is the area the Chinese believe they have the right to dominate and control. That means enslaving all of the Korean Peninsula, Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Thailand, Indonesia, India, Burma and everyone else in the triangle. As for the Japanese, the Chinese would like to invade, kill all the men, make sex slaves out of the women and girls, and enslave any young boys after they are neutered by Chinese blades. The Chinese (and the Koreans and Vietnamese) hate the Japanese with a passion. Only China has the wherewithall to actually get some revenge on Japan, and they’d dearly love to do just that. (The triangle encompasses a big part of Russia, too, but the Chinese aren’t quite ready to challenge the Russians for the turf. Maybe in a century or two the Chinese will act against the Russians, but that’s a long shot at best.)
If the US wants to watch out for South Korea and Japan, then it’s time for those nations to have their own nuclear offensive and defensive capabilities against China. We just need to get out of the way and China will checked in its hegemony by South Korea and Japan. That means leaving the Korean Peninsula for good.
It’s time for the US to get out of the Middle East, too. Israel can take care of Israel, and they are not our friends. Why else would the Israeli Air force knowingly attack a US Navy ship on June 8, 1967 and later send Jonathan Pollard to spy on us? Afghanistan, Syria and Iraq are quagmires. Get out now and let the chips fall where they may. The neighborhood will sort out its own problems.
Who is responsible for a secure retirement? The employee? The employer? The government?
The answer is all can do their part. The employee needs to participate in the retirement plan available. The employer should contribute something, too. The government administers Social Security but needs better returns. Why isn’t the rest of the government paying the appropriate interest rate for the privilege of borrowing from the Social Security Trust Fund.
If the military industrial complex wants to fund invasions and weapons systems by borrowing from Social Security, then can damn well pay the appropriate rate of return to ensure Social Security stays solvent. Why should the war mongers get a break on the cost of capital?
Republicans to Trump and Corker: Please just stop
(via POLITICO for iOS)
http://politi.co/2yefqtl
“The Failing @nytimes set Liddle’ Bob Corker up by recording his conversation. Was made to sound a fool, and that’s what I am dealing with!”
See guys! See what he’s dealing with! See what a President has to deal with! Give him a break, god damn it! Only Drumpf can be the type of Leader that can handle this type of shit! As soon as he is done dealing with this he’s going to speed right through all the easier stuff, like healthcare, the economy and all the the rest of that piddly stuff. As soon as he is done dealing with this!
The Straights really need to get their act together.
Women Scientists Report Sexual Harassment On Boston University Expeditions
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/women-scientists-report-sexual-harassment-on-boston-university-expeditions_us_59db7468e4b046f5ad9984b3
@41
Wow, you really are clueless aren’t you…. I know how Rex Tillerson feels working with Trump on foreign policy, nothing like working with a “fucking lunatic moron” on diplomacy issues.
Sure, let those places take care of themselves, arm them up with nukes, I’m sure it will all work out. News flash PI, the Japanese were not our friends all that long ago, maybe they want a bit of revenge for being the only country to get a nuke dropped on them. I’m sure the rest of the world would just love for us to get out of “their business” and put up walls to keep everyone else out. Wouldn’t be all that hard to gang up on the old USA and push us around for awhile. Oh wait, they won’t we have a gun culture and that “well regulated (redneck) militia will surely save us.
Clearly you have never played the game “Risk”. Just go pop some more popcorn and have a fist-fest while watching “Red Dawn”.
Arguing for nuclear proliferation to increase security makes just as much sense as arguing for massive tax cuts to increase revenues.
Give the Hillbillies credit for being consistent.
I think they were better off when they were highlighting moronic culture wars distractions and obsessing over kneeling athletes and bathroom privileges.
Thence? Seriously? Fuck me.
Well the, “(Insert Name) hasn’t said anything condemning Harvey Weinstein is becoming a very short list and was always a stupid statement.
@41 So you think every Tom, Dick and Harry should have nukes? You’re awfully trusting to assume T,D & H will always have democratically elected governments and will never have any territorial ambitions after acquiring said nukes.
@45 @46 At the rate we’re going intellectually backwards the rest of the world must be growing increasingly nervous about OUR nukes.
@47 His wife departed that list today. Pretty soon he’ll be the only one left on it.
The latest list of Harvey Weinstein accusers… http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new.....etter.html
What a guy. Well Barry Obummer had something to say butt, where’s da money?
Nuthin yet from #CrookedHillary! Well she did accept money to thefouundation from womin loving governments like Saudi Arabia, Oman, Yemen, Qatar, etc.
Lindsey Lohan is sticking up for Harey Weinstein.
Go figger!
@52 has Your boyfriend, Milo, said anything? Has he said anything about his own pedophilia.
@51 & 52
Too Damn Funny you calling out other’s silence. “Judge not lest you be judged…”. “Casting stones…”
Just a reminder.
It has been 61 days since White Supremacists rioted and killed in Charlottesville. Those White Supremacists were given tacit approval by the President saying “both sides” were at fault for the death.
61! days of silence on the matter by our resident lunatic. A Lunatic his party compatriots want dead.
They were back in Charlottesville Saturday vowing to not go away. Will the lunatic denounce it before they kill again?
Nothing you post here matters since you’ve proven you are a coward who still supports openly racist leaders and a party that does not dare lose the racist vote.
FACT:
PedoPimp has never once spoken out to condemn his boyfriend Milo’s avowed pedophilia.
FACT:
The very same Orange Ballsack Gargler has dutifully fallen into line and defended the violent white supremacists who rioted and killed in C’ville.
FACT:
You just can not trust anything coming from a serial liar with no ethics and no moral compass who promotes preying on innocent children and defends violent bigots.
Flat beer foam the alter ego of checkmate-252. Who’s judging FOOL? Puddy using libtard news sites! If anyone is judging its those sites!
Thanks for playing.
Till Next TIme!
FOOL @55,
Better go back and review another thread!
Sux to be you!
Till Next Time!
FOOL @55,
Better go back and review another thread!
Sux to be you!
Till Next Time!
Double post for the elijah moron!
Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!
Double post for the elijah moron!
Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!
Till Next Time!
Oh my… https://hotair.com/archives/2017/10/11/wapo-clintons-democrats-handled-scandal-worse/
DUMMOCRETINS no longer have the “high road”!
Till Next Time!
Sorry if this slipped by, I don’t obsessively hit HA every couple hours like Dr. Mengele the horse whisperer…
Why not much on Michael Christopher Estes?
Not a whole lot is known about him but two likes on FB. Tennessee football and a local politician who is a GOP candidate. So based on flimsy evidence, (like a skull ashtray so Laughner’s a satanist) we’ll call him a Trump fan.
Oh I know why he’s not on every web page and news outlet in the A block… something about how he looks…
Roger Rabbit, in real life, is Donald Wittenberger