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DLBottleIt’s a primary election night in Washington. So, please join us for an evening of political pontification over a pint at the Seattle Chapter of Drinking Liberally.

We meet every Tuesday at the Roanoke Park Place Tavern, 2409 10th Ave E, Seattle. You’ll find us in the small room at the back of the tavern beginning about 8pm.




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  4. 4

    @ #2

    Bullshit. My old apartment in Shoreline that I was renting for $725/mo just ten years ago, is now going for $1900/mo. I was commuting to 1st ave and Spokane St every day for a lousy $18/hr.

    I got chased out of that apartment when the landlord wanted to raise it to $1200/mo. I was making the same bullshit $500/week since I had been since 1992 when health insurance was only hitting me for $240/mo. By the time I left, it was hitting me for $135 a week.

    If your business model is dependent on paying workers so little to function, it is your business model that is the problem, not the workers.

    Nobody is going to want to drive from Darrington or Sultan to work in a little bullshit cafe’ on 4th avenue if the wages don’t even justify the gas money it takes to make the commute. There isn’t anything in the Seattle core area that is renting for less than $1500 a month. 11 bucks an hour gets $440 a week full time, minus whatever the Fed and the Governor takes out.

    I knew a lot of guys that were trying to do something exactly like that. After paying for gasoline and such, they were making just enough to cover their damn rent if their wife was also working. Driving from fucking Marysville to the south downtown industrial area every damn day. One clown was even coming in from Port Ludlow.

    Virtually nobody in the service industries works full time. Those hours are reserved for management and their favorite employees.
    Nobody can raise a family in a studio apartment, and nobody working in low-level manufacturing or in a restaurant or a retail store can live on that. The traditionally low rent districts are just flat out gone. Eastlake, South Lake Union, Capital Hill, Beacon Hill, Ballard etc are all well-gentrified now and rents are at a premium. Vacancy rates for apartments all over the greater Seattle area are hovering around 2%.

    70% of all small businesses fail in their first year of doing business, and that isn’t because of the wages they pay. I think that number goes to 90% for restaurants, especially little hipster coffee houses and the like with no established reputation or clientele. Rents, insurance and startup costs for small business operations are the greatest share of their financial burden. Try to start a business without at least three years worth of expenses in cash, and it will fail unless it is something really nifty and original that fills a market void that isn’t being met by some other industry. Like Microsoft or Amazon.

    It’s my understanding that there are shop units renting for $15 per square foot in the downtown area and somehow those places always seem to change hands every year or so.

    Gee, I wonder why.

  5. 5

    4,
    You probably would not be surprised to learn how many of those $15/ft leases are signed by bored trustifarians with lifestyle delusions but no real experience in retail or hospitality mgmt. They paint themselves into a corner with fixed cost agreements (leases, equip, PR, etc) and are left trying to get to break even on the backs of clerks and dishwashers while they phone it in from the beach.

  7. 7

    4

    Hell, that actually makes good sense. I never knew you were a pro-business kind of a guy.

  8. 8

    @ #5

    You ain’t wrong there. I started as one of the first employees in a machine shop out in Lynnwood a long time ago, that the owner somehow financed the building, the worn-out junk machinery and the basic materials after working out of his home shop in Mukilteo for three or four years. He spent years blowing smoke up everyones ass about profit sharing and the raises that everyone was going to get as soon as he started breaking even.

    After three years of that bullshit, he had a whole-shop meeting and basically told everyone that those raises and shit he had promised had to be put off for another year, and there wasn’t going to be any more overtime for a while. Same big boohoo sob story he’d been telling people since he opened the place and I’d been there for the better part of four years. A couple of days later, he drove into work in a brand new Corvette. Everyone went out to the parking lot and took a good look at it.

    Three welders and one of the other machinists turned on their heels and walked out on the spot.

  9. 9

    vomit producing dead toad @8 above,

    Betcha the owner voted DUMMOCRETIN too! Otherwise you would have said so!

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

  10. 10

    Real news never delivered on HA DUMMOCRETINS…

    Meanwhile at the $15/hour minimum wage ranch in Seattle; just a little collusion between DUMMOCRETINS was identified. Oopsie… https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelsaltsman/2017/07/26/the-smoking-gun-emails-that-show-advocates-academics-coordinated-to-boost-15/#1c493fe1706d

    “I changed the UW references to be about their report from Nov. 2016. Is that OK? Could put them in a para. rather than as bullets. Or take them out altogether,” Reich said in an email.

  11. 11

    Real news never delivered on HA DUMMOCRETINS…

    Meanwhile at the $15/hour minimum wage ranch in Seattle; just a little collusion between DUMMOCRETINS was identified. Oopsie… https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelsaltsman/2017/07/26/the-smoking-gun-emails-that-show-advocates-academics-coordinated-to-boost-15/#1c493fe1706d

    “I changed the UW references to be about their report from Nov. 2016. Is that OK? Could put them in a para. rather than as bullets. Or take them out altogether,” Reich said in an email.

  12. 12

    Now watch the head explosion from shitstain steve on the PuddyDoublePost.

    Wait for it…

  13. 13

    Uh, oh! Looks like the Chrome-challenged loon has come here to share a double-post head explosion of hate with us again. Sad!

  14. 14

    When Progressives Embrace Hate – Been the norm on HA DUMMOCRETINS since its 2004 inception!

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/01/opinion/womens-march-progressives-hate.html

    “Since when did criticizing a domestic terrorist become a signal issue of the far right? Last I checked, that position was a matter of basic decency and patriotism.”

    Remember Linda Sarsour attacked Ayaan Hirsi Ali saying she wasn’t a “real woman”. Yeah in Ali’s home country they cut off the clitorises of girls! And libtards all over love Linda Sarsour! Nary a peep from the FOOLS at HA DUMMOCRETINS!

    That’s why basic decency and patriotism are not found here on HA DUMMOCRETINS. Basic decency and patriotism left the barn in 2005 when Roger Senile Idiot Wabbit and other left wrong FOOLS found this site in 2004 and beyond! Names like these:

    proud loony and his goat
    daddy love
    Piper is stupid
    Piper Sucks
    Ann Coulter’s vagina
    tadfuio;zxchjn’s vagina
    noble
    jon devore
    seattlemike
    artFart
    Carl Left Foot Grossman
    rujax!
    ian
    jean goodperson
    horse whisperer
    joel connelly
    proud leftist
    proudToBeAnAss
    atj
    stan
    rll
    ivan
    tlazolteotl
    kirk91
    eyman Owes Me $500,000
    demo_kid
    tamakeri
    winkydink
    sparky
    real american
    the blatantly obvious
    busdrivermike
    fricknfrack
    sam spade
    Luigi Giovanni
    daniel k
    felix fermin
    neil b
    davidd
    will
    perfect voter
    geov
    lee
    Darryl
    drool
    sarge
    markS
    btb
    ylb – clueless wonder
    K & K2
    nemo
    windie
    boeing bob
    donnageddon
    broadway joe
    rightstillstupid – Left Turn – stillbentover – byebyegop
    ewp
    Marcel
    oneman
    tommy thompson
    poster child
    paul
    headless lucy – col biff – and its 91 other moby troll etc. names
    treeFrogFarmer – killatroll
    allfactsupportmypositions
    thorn
    michael
    GBS
    SeattleJew
    David (2)
    correctnotright
    chris tefan
    rhp6033
    Undercover Brother
    matty
    don joe
    2cents
    justdrivingby
    jsa on commercial drive
    John Barelli
    harry poon
    yer killin me
    Richard Pope
    blue john
    liberal dragon
    steve
    evergreenRailfan
    Elijah Dominic McDotcom – AKA Lying Liars Shouldn’t Lie AKA
    Erectile Dysfunction McDotCom
    the apeman – hanging human teabag licker

    Puddy apologizes if you are missing!

  16. 16

    And where was this on the Friday Night Comix? Will any 12 oz curls be tossed around this topic? https://www.forbes.com/sites/frankminiter/2017/07/26/this-exploding-dnc-story-is-crazier-than-fiction-maybe-rep-wasserman-schultz-can-explain/#5f44bb334414

    “McDaniel said, “We have to get to the bottom of this, and Debbie Wasserman Schultz has obstructed at every level on something that affects potentially our national security. So to have this gentlemen try and leave the country yesterday, and now we know there is bank fraud and we know he destroyed these hard drives, when you read story about the Marine that found them in the apartment he was trying to rent. I mean, it is a long story but something we have to get to the bottom of. We are not hearing the Democrats talk about it at all. Where’s Debbie Wasserman Schultz? And we also need to know why the DNC never turned over their hard drive to the FBI to review it as to their hacking situation. So the Democrats are on TV and they’re grandstanding every chance they get, but they’re not complying and they’re not being forthright with their role.””

    All one paragraph and all FACTual!

  17. 17

    Verified shitstain steve head explosion @ Tuesday, 8/1/17 at 3:48 pm

  18. 18

    Three cheers for Corey Booker, NJ senator! He introduced a bill to legalize cannabis in the Senate today. About fucking time! Of course, the stick-up-their-asses Republicans won’t let it come to a vote, but it’s a start!

  20. 20

    Getting to know you, getting to know all about you… Former Obama Aide Ben Rhodes now a person of interest in unmasking investigation

    https://www.circa.com/story/2017/08/01/embargoed-until-6-pm-former-obama-aide-ben-rhodes-now-a-person-of-interest-in-house-intelligence-committee-unmasking-investigation

    CBS News President David Rhodes and ABC News President Ben Sherwood had relatives in Obummer’s whitey house.

    Ben Sherwood’s sister, Dr. Elizabeth Sherwood-Randall, was the Special Assistant to Obummer.

    CNN deputy bureau chief, Virginia Moseley, is married to Hillary Clinton’s ex-SofS deputy, Thomas Nides.

    David Rhodes’ lil’ brother Ben, was Obummer’s Deputy National Security Advisor for Strategic Communication.

    Yep. Get out the popcorn Martha, shitstain steve’s head will continue to explode… http://gph.is/1qSfRhX

  21. 21

    Look at @14, Puddy thinks he is Santa Claus, makin’ a list and checkin’ it twice….

    Or, is he trying to be a “Tricky Dick Nixon” wanna be and making an enemies list?

    Either way, Puddy suffers from delusions of grandeur.

    Wait for the double-post of verbal diarrhea and hate….

  23. 23

    Moronic twit FOOL @21,

    Looks like this FOOL is really upset that Puddy didn’t include its name in the list!

  24. 24

    @9 There may have been some Democrats who drove ‘vettes back when they had unions. That was the point of having unions.

  26. 26

    If rabbits are to be judged by the company they keep, then I’m proud – Progressives Embrace Hate

    Thanks for playing!

  29. 29

    You know you struck pay dirt when the hanging human teabag licker is thinking about womens private parts @27 and the idiot FOOL wabbit @28 joins in!

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

  30. 30

    stoooooooooooooopid is and stooooooooooooooooopid does

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

  31. 31

    Oh senile idiot wabbit @25,

    Puddy captured your original comment in #26. Can’t run away from your comments!

  32. 32

    @23

    Too funny, I could care less about who is on your list, least of all, if I made it or not. I just think it is ironic that people like you need to makes lists at all. What does it accomplish? Nothing. Just like the GOP and the House, Senate, and Executive branch.

    Keep up the yeoman’s work, you are in good company.

  34. 34

    I just think it is ironic that people like you need to makes lists at all.

    http://addictinginfo.com/2012/.....o-destroy/

    https://www.splcenter.org/news/2017/02/15/hate-groups-increase-second-consecutive-year-trump-electrifies-radical-right

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05.....qaeda.html

    Quickly found libtard lists “newt”! Since Da Perfessa only allows three links per posts you want more posts FOOL?

    Another EPIC FAYLE libtard argument!

    Sux to be you!

  35. 35

    Joy Reid of PMSNBC says the DUMMOCRETIN Party should give up on white people!

    DAYUM!

  39. 39

    @34 “Quickly found libtard lists”

    So what? What does that prove? Again, you missed the point. It wasn’t a discussion of liberal vs conservative people that make lists, it was more a comment about paranoid delusional people feeling the need to make lists in the first place.

    Man, you are one clueless bastard. Maybe Dr. Dumbfuck can help you out.

  41. 41

    @33 “Still wondering why the Rowling Harry Potter series was racist clap-trap … ?”

    No. In fact, I didn’t know it was. I didn’t read any of the books or see any of the movies. Isn’t it about witches and castles, or something like that? I’m under the impression and books and movies were a big hit with little kids and J. K. Rowling is now very, very rich.

  42. 42

    @35 Well, you don’t have to worry about that, do you? Otoh, maybe you should give a little more thought to what your white supremacist friends might have in store for you.

  45. 45

    @14

    people that make “hit” lists are dangerous, unstable and downright worrisome.

    piddles, do you know you are insane or can you not see it? i’m genuinely interested in the answer.

  46. 46

    Roger @ 43- You are probably right. I was trying to be kind, a fool’s errand with puddles. . Also the fact that a lot of what he posts aren’t even words distorts the ratio

  47. 47

    Roger senile idiot wabbit was being nice?

    You’ve never been nice idiot wabbit!

  48. 48

    people that make “hit” lists are dangerous

    Hit list? Man you really are an idiot. Not believing in basic decency and patriotism makes you a “hit” list playa?

    So you don’t believe in basic decency and patriotism downthedrain? Do tell!

    You are truly the dangerous one downthedrain!

    Thanks for making it plain to everyone here!

    Sux to be you!

  49. 49

    Those libtard lists were created by dangerous, unstable and downright worrisome people.

    TRUTH and FACTS, things hated by HA DUMMOCRETINS like “little k2”!

  53. 53

    A tweet ain’t a policy, though Trump’s attention span seems to be limited to 140 characters.

  57. 57

    @4

    Wow that is quite a long diatribe that apparently boils down to, “Damnit! People should not be making money because I had it hard!”

    Here’s the economics of it. UW student, grants and loans and maybe parents paying dorm room and board and tuition working 20 hours a week. Under state minimum, $900/mo and more if tipped. At $15, $1200 + maybe tips. Now I don’t know what you did with your money in college but I spent any extra I could scrounge on food. And alcohol. Where does that extra $300/mo end up. Why back in the pockets of the eateries on the Ave or at the QFC or maybe a ticket to a show at the Neptune. Did all those other businesses benefit from higher wages? Of course.

    Now think of a young couple. Out of high school a year or two trying to make a life together. Both working minimum wage 40 hrs/week. State minimum $3,500/mo combined. They could maybe, maybe rent in the city and live together. @$15, $4800/mo. Current average 1BR apartment, $2100. Doable if they both work full time at minimum wage.

    Will rents keep rising? Of course. But that’s kind of the point of raising the minimum wage. Try to keep wages up with inflation. Are some of those eateries opening last month going to fold in 12-18 months. Of Course. They’ll be replaced by the next sucker who thinks restaurants are sexy or easy money. But some of them will stick around for a decade and turn a profit and employ people either long term or as a bridge to higher paying work after school, experience, etc.

    The overall point is, the right, and their think tanks, assured us that the restaurant industry in particular was DOOOOOOOOOMED if the minimum was raised. And they seem to be wrong. Again. Again. Again. Again.

  58. 58

    @49 The only “list” you should probably be concerned with Piddles, is the list that your sky-daddy has made up. Methinks you might be surprised at who is on that list and who is not (hint: just pack shorts and a t-shirt, it’s gonna be warm where you are going).

    Seems to me, upon reading that great work of fiction, the Bible, Jesus was full of love, but Piddles is only full of hate, as evidence by the hate-filled posts constantly provided.

  60. 60

    “Who do you mean we, Kemo Sabe?”

    Yesterday, in the wake of the abysmal collapse of The Hillbilly Traitors’ efforts to kill poor children and make sick old people live under freeways, Real American Patriots Not Selling National Security to Russian Dictators reached out in a letter to Yertle asking to begin open, bi-partisan dialog on tax reform legislation.

    Yertle told them to fuck off. Again.

    The Hillbillies broke their own shit all by themselves. They refuse to admit that it’s broke. Insist that even if it is broke, Seth Rich and some part time intern in DWS’ office broke it. And they reject all offers of help.

    Ain’t no “we” about it. There is no “failure” of bi-partisanship because of “excessive polarization”. The modern conservative movement was founded on lies. It does not work other than as a vast con game to raise money from ignorant, toothless, sister-fucking, Okie Noodlin’, hate-for-profit media-programmed beer-guts in filthy trailer parks surrounded by burning tire dumps.
    It really is them.

  61. 61

    @ The Schizo @9:

    “Betcha the owner voted DUMMOCRETIN too! Otherwise you would have said so!

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!”

    Aside from your obvious mental health issues, and your incredible knack for anti-intelligence that is hardly worth responding to, not to mention your mind-boggling ability to flat out lie about everything, I’ll tell you that the man was a Good Republican Christian American Businessman, who had a little shelf of “Christian” literature on the wall of the main office next to the door to the shop. He was all about how people who aren’t “Christians” couldn’t really ever be trusted because they weren’t “Christians”.

    He turned out to be one of the most incredibly dishonest people I’ve ever worked for. The primary market he dealt with was the gray market machines. That is, the old, beat up heavy equipment brought in from Canada that would come into the shop, have their hour meters replaced, get new paint jobs and a couple of cylinders and hoses and attachments, maybe some body panels replaced, and the cabs prettied up with a new seat and windows, and then re-sold as nearly new.

    The lathes were completely thrashed out and that’s what I’d have to run all day even thought the fucking thing would cut a .035″ taper in 30 goddamn inches and the tolerance would call for .002″. I can tell you about the literally tens of thousands of gallons of nasty old hydraulic oil and engine coolant that was dumped in the dirt around the shop, then paved over when he sold the place and moved out to a place out in Snohomish County after I’d left the place.

    Nobody but the dumbass wife-beater rednecks stayed around for long and I worked for them for almost 5 years. The guys that would really enjoy stringing your dumb black ass up in a tree and burning your dick off with a blowtorch.

  62. 62

    @33

    It’s a Rare uhm, occasional regular day when one can undeniably prove Piddles wrong.

    the Rowling Harry Potter series was racist clap-trap and HA DUMMOCRETINS at her racist shit up? No blacks or his panics in her books!

    Did you read that on Twitter and believe it, cause surely books about sorcery will turn you to Satan so you haven’t read them.

    Angelina Johnson is described as a tall, attractive black witch with long dark hair that she usually wore in braids.

    Lee Jordan a black boy with black hair and dreadlocks. He’s in the full series and fights in the “Battle of Hogwarts” and is last seen mourning his close friend Fred Weasley after the battle (spoiler, sorry but six years after the filmed version was released that’s on you.)

    Dean Thomas is described as having dark hair and dark skin and being taller than Ron Weasley.

    Kingsley Shacklebolt is described as a tall, bald, black wizard who wore a single gold hoop earring. He had a slow, deep voice that was said to be reassuring. Kingsley is a pureblood wizard. There are racist-type themes in the books having to do with some Purebloods insisting that Mudbloods are illegitimate wizards but you knew that, right? He is an original member of the ‘Order of the Phoenix’ and in the books, not mentioned in the films, becomes Minister of Magic (think Prime Minister) after the Battle of Hogwarts. And he’s black.

    Pavarti and Padma Patel (twins) are dark skinned Indians, as if any British reader would see the names and think anything else. (“no really, I think Pavarti Patel is a pale Welshman”)

    Cho Chang, Harry’s Love interest for two of the books is Chinese.

    I could go on but I think you get the point.

  63. 63

    @ 62

    The Schiz isn’t “wrong”. He’s a liar. He knows he’s a liar, and he knows that everyone else knows he’s a liar. Lying is the only tool that he has.

    He’s a professional contrarian. Anything an educated person says, must be countered with the contrary position no matter what is being discussed. I’m surprised he hasn’t started arguing for the Flat Earth theory.

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