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Not all the pundits are mystified by what’s happening in the GOP nomination race. Some see clearly what’s clear to be seen: The GOP’s grassroots are in full-blown revolt against the party’s elites and moneyed interests. This article by David Frum describes what’s happening.
http://www.theatlantic.com/mag.....lt/419118/
Roger Rabbit Commentary: 2016 is shaping up as a consequential and transformative election, because this is the year when Republican blue-collar voters stopped voting against themselves and stopped being sidetracked by “wedge” issues. It is the year when the GOP establishment could no longer get away with walking over their interests and concerns. This is the year of the Republican Earthquake, and Donald Trump is no flash in the pan. He is the face of the GOP’s Great Grassroots Revolt, an explosion that has been years in the making.
A billionaire is the face of a “grassroots blue collar revolt”? No, sorry, this is face of a grassroots cornered animal that is in a terror of brown skin. Fear and lies always works with this crowd and then they become enraged when they don’t reach their goals of making this an oppressive theocracy run by whites.
@3 I wouldn’t be so quick to wave off David Frum’s assessment of the situation. He’s a veteran journalist, was a speechwriter for Dubya, and he knows what makes the GOP tick. If you haven’t read his article yet (that I linked to above), you should, because I think he’s onto something. If he’s right about what’s happening — i.e. the GOP party leaders are losing control of their voting base — that has very interesting implications, especially because these voters want some of the same things we want … Social Security and Medicare, health care, pensions, job security, etc. … which the GOP has failed to deliver. And they don’t like bankers, Wall Street, or big corporations any more than we do. Their revolt, which Trump is tapping into, might bring about some major changes in GOP positions. There’s more going on here than racism and bigotry, and despite its dark side, the GOP grassroots revolt might have some positive results.
@4 Sorry, I don’t see it that way at all. Trump is the exact opposite of what they want. He says wages are too high for cripes sake. He offers no solutions. We have a working Democratic economy that was brought back from the Republican brink. Things can and will get better, but never for everybody. It’s like they keep looking for love in all the wrong places. They insist on doing what does not work. And Trump does not work.
@4 everything you say that Frum is saying with respect to them wanting Social Security, etc…. Pretty much makes them a democrat. The only difference is they love the hate that comes along with Trump.
And I say that with the notion that the only group of individuals he really hasn’t yet degraded are gay people.
You see the handout should go to all the whiteys, not the lazy colored ones.
Puffy you can rest a lot easier since to you it was only 5 American soldiers that got killed the other day in fuckistan.
Openly Gay Air Force Officer Among 6 Killed In Afghanistan http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....63210.html
I don’t think she would want your sympathy.
“Extremist right-wing activist Theodore Shoebat dedicated his most recent video to railing against the evils of Hinduism, declaring that if he was a dictator, he would invade India, destroy all Hindu temples and force everyone to convert to Christianity.”
“You need to Christianize the land,” he stated. “We need to destroy these false religions, end of story. Hinduism is an evil, demonic, anti-Christ religion. It needs to be uprooted from the earth and it has no place in the world.”
“Yoga? Outlawed,” Shoebat continued. “And anyone who teaches yoga? Punished by the state … I think the U.S. government needs to crack down on this evil, demonic thing called yoga … You’re teaching yoga, have the SWAT team bust open the doors to that place and just arrest everybody.”
http://crooksandliars.com/2015.....ams-arrest
Geez, Darryl, I hope you’re not into yoga. Or a Hindu. Or a Buddhist. Or a Jew. Or an atheist. Or worst of all, a Professor. You might find that it’s your own batshit insane friend who you, Goldy and Carl give a platform to post hate-speech who’s leading the charge to round your asses up to force you all to become Christians.
Say, got any idea what they’d do to you if you were to refuse to go along with the program? It probably wouldn’t be very pleasant, would it?
“it was only 5 American soldiers that got killed the other day”
@7 Perhaps your finest post.
“This school district and these schools throughout Iowa are doing a better than average job,” Clinton told the crowd. “Now, I wouldn’t keep any school open that wasn’t doing a better than average job. If a school’s not doing a good job, then you know it may not be good for the kids.
“But when you have a district that’s doing a good job it seems kind of counterproductive to impose financial burdens on it.”
http://www.weeklystandard.com/.....le/2000327
Apparently Hillary’s Secretary of Education will be Garrison Keillor.
Monica Lewinsky. Marla Maples.
My guess is that would include liberal college professors. What do you think, Darryl? Do you think you made the wingnut deathlist? Or maybe since you allow them to spew their hate-speech here they’ll cut you some slack. Oh, wait, my bad. You say it’s all just an act, a persona.
“Vigilante uprising: GOP lawmaker calls on gun owners to ‘clean our society of scum bags’”
http://www.rawstory.com/2015/1.....scum-bags/
“Apparently Hillary’s Secretary of Education will be Garrison Keillor.”
Apparently Ted Cruz’s Secretary of Education will be Sylvia Allen.
“Arizona GOP taps creationist chemtrail truther to lead Senate education committee”
“An Arizona lawmaker who believes the earth is only 6,000 years old and that the U.S. government regularly sprays its citizens with mind-controlling chemtrails has been selected to lead an Arizona legislative committee overseeing education.”
“She understands what Arizona students and parents need in our education system”
http://www.rawstory.com/2015/1.....committee/
You do well, Bob, with what you have to work with, but your side gives me one hell of a lot better material.
@8 should Christians denounce this like Muslims should denounce Islamic radicals. Maybe the should live by the same standard. But no, why should they, then they can’t call for the killing of the gays. Right Boob?
@8 I thought Darryl was gay?
@13 I’m sure Crud will have that Pastor who calls for killing gays as his Secretary of State. Right Boob?
I wonder if Boob ever schlonged his mother.
“I thought Darryl was gay?”
Uh, oh! A gay, liberal atheist professor?? I’d say he’s most definitely on the wingnut death list.
Don’t worry, Darryl. It’s all just an act, just a bunch of personas running around having a little fun spewing innocent hate-speech. Say, maybe you can get him to post comments here too!
I hear the reason she was pissed off was because after a hard day trying out for the Mismi Dolphins, she just wanted to get some sleep. But the League and Team owners say she might not make the cut now.
Florida woman assaults husband for farting in bed http://www.nydailynews.com/new.....-1.2474111
@ Steve @ 13
What do you expect? This is a woman who has been on a tear since she was elected to the Legislature, about how the State should sell timber rights and log out the State and National Forests to help with water conservation.
We really, really need to have mandatory mental health evaluations for prospective lawmakers in this country. That woman is just plain nuts.
“I wonder if Boob ever schlonged his mother.”
It’s all about schlonging Hillary. It’s how feminized wingnut males hope to find their lost masculinity. Hey, it’s wingnut women saying this about them, not me. I’m just reporting this shit.
“Fox host: Men are sick of being feminized and Donald Trump is ‘their last hope to get their masculinity back’”
http://www.rawstory.com/2015/1.....nity-back/
Or maybe wingnut women want their feminized wingnut men to schlong Donald Trump?
New for 2016: It’s OK to attack the children of presidential candidates.
Ted Cruz ✔ @tedcruz
Classy. @washingtonpost makes fun of my girls. Stick w/ attacking me–Caroline & Catherine are out of your league. https://twitter.com/anntelnaes/status/679435507915423744 …
3:12 PM – 22 Dec 2015
Or perhaps not. Maybe it’s my browser but it looks like WaPo may have pulled it:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/opinions/wp/2015/12/22/ted-cruz-uses-his-kids-as-political-props/?postshare=551450824952909&tid=ss_tw
I don’t know if it is because Barack Obama used his kids in that really long ad the night before the 2008 election, or because the WaPo cartoonist drew Cruz’ children as monkeys.
Which begs the obvious question:
Is it OK to attack grandchildren?
http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/21/.....-pregnant/
Maybe stuff like that skips a generation. Or maybe it just largely skipped a president.
@5 You can’t see past Trump. I’m not endorsing Trump; and, for that matter, neither is Frum. He’s simply describing what’s happening to the GOP, and I’m simply saying it’s an important development when the GOP’s white, male, middle-aged, blue-collar voters are no longer willing to vote for the Wall Street/corporate agenda. You may not be thrilled by their choice of a candidate, but I’m thrilled these voters are finally paying attention to their economic self-interest and the GOP’s wedge-issue strategy is no longer working on them.
@ 23
He’s simply describing what’s happening to the GOP, and I’m simply saying it’s an important development when the GOP’s white, male, middle-aged, blue-collar voters are no longer willing to vote for the Wall Street/corporate agenda.
Well, that’s one way of looking at it, I suppose.
I think it will be a far more important development when it turns out that the Democrats’ white, male, middle-aged, blue-collar voters are not willing to vote for Hillary.
Oh poor boobby doesn’t like attacks on the baby crusty Cruds.
“… the Democrats’ white, male, middle-aged, blue-collar voters are not willing to vote for Hillary. “
I hear they’re anxious about the Unicorn vote too.
@22,
Seems the preeminent conservative publications don’t share the WaPo’s editorial standards:
Republican Media Label Clinton Grandchild a Mass of Fish Eggs
They go on to speculate that Chelsea is employing her uterus for political purposes. And I thought only Carly was allowed to do that.
@6 “everything you say that Frum is saying with respect to them wanting Social Security, etc…. Pretty much makes them a democrat.”
Democrats used to own the blue-collar vote. Most of those ex-Democrats aren’t around anymore; today’s blue-collar Republican has been a Republican his entire life. He voted against his own interests, and now he’s paying the price.
Trump used to be a Democrat, and despite all the campaign hoopla, he’s friends with the Clintons. Some of his platform looks much more Democratic than Republican. This doesn’t make him a good guy. He’s a demagogue who’s cynically exploiting banal prejudices and bigotry. He’s a terrible man and a candidate we must defeat at all costs.
“The only difference is they love the hate that comes along with Trump.”
I think it’s more complicated than that. Most of Trump’s supporters are less-educated working-class people who feel betrayed, under siege, scared, and angry. They’re a visceral, not intellectual, voting bloc. But they’re not terrible people. They believe in family, hard work, and patriotism. They’re not as open-minded or tolerant as we’d like, but they’re not robbers trying to take something away from someone else like the GOP grifter class is. They see their way of life being threatened by outside forces they don’t understand, and their political behavior is being driven by fear and confusion. Things aren’t going well for them, so they’re restless and unhappy.
@8 Liberals must arm, but only for self-defense, of course. I should’ve made this clear from the beginning. Until very recently, I didn’t think I needed to.
@24 “I think it will be a far more important development when it turns out that the Democrats’ white, male, middle-aged, blue-collar voters are not willing to vote for Hillary.”
Do the Democrats still have any of those voters? Maybe a better question is whether America still has any blue-collar workers.
@22 So, you’re just now learning what an editor’s job function is? Of course, on the internet, nothing is edited and anyone can post anything, which is why people like you have a forum.
Ann TelnaesVerified account
@AnnTelnaes
Organ Grinders and Their Monkeys Once Entertained on DC Sidewalks http://blogs.weta.org/boundary.....-sidewalks … via @boundarystones
This from a Pulitzer Prize winner. Weak.
Slog @SlogFirehose
Judge Upholds Seattle’s Gun and Ammo Tax, Which Takes Effect New Year’s Day http://www.thestranger.com/blo.....-years-day …
Retweeted by Goldy
http://www.luckygunner.com
“New for 2016: It’s OK to attack the children of presidential candidates.”
Where have you been, Bob? It’s long been okay for Republicans to attack the children of Democrat presidents, from Amy Carter to Malia and Sasha. Hell, that’s Limbaugh’s schtick.
Hell, even John McCain: “Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly?” Why? “Because her father is Janet Reno.”
Funny shit, huh?
You see, Bob, that’s one way we identify a fucking wingnut. They’re someone who loves to dish it out, but when it comes back their way, they whine like motherfucking stuck pigs. Your post is a great example.
Yeah, Ted Cruz, he’s the adult in the room.
Cruz to Obama, “Come Back And Insult Me To My Face”. Right, as though Obama couldn’t kick that pussy’s ass all over the fucking playground.
I’m wondering if there will be no one candidate who can win the nomination on the first vote. Rumor of a tailor on the internet saying he’s measured Romney for a cape.
@8 Sounds like Theodore has a hobby. Love if he would just get himself a ticket to India, Isn’t he going to be surprised when he finds out the temple priests are traditionally the military at least before British rule…and they didn’t manage to stamp it out and they didn’t introduce Christianity though they did convert more than a few to the Christin ways. Then there was that whole white mans burden thing. All the old men living back in Britain missing their legs thing and more.
@10 I really don’t like it when candidates from either party imply the President of the United States has any ability to close any school. Simply is not true. Not even for the District of Columbia can the President do this. Maybe the school at RAF Croughton but only if the whole base is closed. Doubt our British friends want our hooligans in their school system.
Obviously it’s a feel good statement made by a politician during an election and that is about all it is. Lets assume though she could close all those less than average schools by Presidential fiat wouldn’t that surely mean the bar would be raised and some schools that were average or above average would now be below average. You would have to close them then.
It’s a math thing that sometimes is not for a nation where the women are strong and the children are all above average., Yep we are a math nation.
@18 Obviously it’s not occurred to them that a gay liberal atheist professor might own a gun. Some do. Probably not too in your face about the whole 2nd Amendment, but they may have grown up in Toledo, Philly or Atlantic City.
@20 Well there are how many others in that legislature. One nut can’t do too much damage and can be mighty entertaining. Perhaps she will be re elected. As Mark Twain implied you go the heaven for the climate and hell for the company. She’s probably good company though I agree she is nuts.
@28 What could be fun is if it turns out Trump is like Teddy Roosevelt and is anti monopoly and gets into office and rolls up his sleeves. Oh the howls, might have to k at some of your stock picks. A progressive Republican in office omg.
Oh yes, complaining that legitimizing hate started with Trump and the Muslims. Are you sure of that? Are you sure that all this hate didn’t start with the legitimizing of hate toward gay people? Or is is so legit that it can’t be considered as worthy of it being called out as legitimately being the start of when hate became acceptable?
Myers: Odell Beckham target of gay taunts, Irvin says http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....-1.2474455
Football has to be the dumbest sport played by a bunch of dumb Neanderthals.
Now that Crud has called for world peace and to stop attacking his babies, the world is a better place.
Opera Singers’ Airport Flashmob Of Carols Will Give You Chills http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....64206.html
Oh poor Boob, he is going to have to plant more trees soon.
Climate Change Killing Trees Off At Alarming Rates http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....63870.html
The Nazis are coming (or are here).
Mystery Surrounds Newspaper’s Relationship to Las Vegas Casino Mogul Sheldon Adelson’s Legal Fight http://cour.at/1QWWNfo
The Hartford Courant sucks. You’ll need app to open link. If you are interested in reading the story then google it
70 degrees tomorrow in the northeast. Is global warming real? Only time will tell.
Tick. Tock. Tick. Tick. Tick. Tick. Kaboom?
Last year Sen Inhofe tossed a snowball on the Senate floor to disprove climate change. In a perfect world, today Sen Inhofe should pour a cup of warm water on the Senate floor and apologize.
@34 Bob’s outrage “New for 2016: It’s OK to attack the children of presidential candidates.”?
Steve, Bob’s started doing that years ago. For example: remember when he mocked the appearance of the president Obama’s daughters?
It’s the conservative rule. It’s only bad if it’s being done to a republican.
@46 he should be hung by his balls or waterboarded.
“For example: remember when he mocked the appearance of the president Obama’s daughters?”
I recall someone here doing that, but I wasn’t sure if it was Bob. But he’s a troll, not a public figure, and that’s what trolls do. Things were said about the Bush twins, perhaps by public figures, but that was for their drunken behaviour in public, not for being ugly, which they weren’t.
Pretty sad when you realize that all the devideness and political fighting boils down to one thing – money (taxes).
@49 not to mention that it was a cartoon by a newspaper. Nothing like really be concerned about a pastor calling for killing a certain group of people in the presence of three candidates for president of the free world, one being the guy that is crying about a cartoon. Fuckin hypocrite, pussy, bitch, and a baby.
Isn’t white privelage sooooooo nice!
Sell a few looceys and, what some might call being a business minded person, and get strangled to death.
Or get a big present upon your short stay in a cushy prison.
Teresa Giudice released from prison http://www.nydailynews.com/ent.....-1.2474673