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Drinking Liberally — Seattle

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Please join us tonight for an evening of liberal politics over your beverage of choice at the Seattle Chapter of Drinking liberally.

We meet tonight and every Tuesday at the Roanoke Park Place Tavern, 2409 10th Ave E, Seattle. You’ll find us in the small room at the back of the tavern. Our starting time is 8:00 pm, but some folks stop by even earlier for dinner.




Can’t make it to Seattle tonight? Check out one of the other DL meetings happening this week. Tonight the Tri-Cities, Vancouver, WA, and Shelton chapters also meet. The Lakewood chapter meets on Wednesday. And on Thursday, the Tacoma chapter meets.

There are 190 chapters of Living Liberally, including eighteen in Washington state, four in Oregon and two in Idaho. Chances are good there’s a chapter meeting near you.

Comments

  1. 1

    Metaphor alert:

    EXCLUSIVE: Hillary’s email firm was run from a loft apartment with its servers in the BATHROOM, raising new questions over security of sensitive messages she held

    ‘At the time I worked for them they wouldn’t have been equipped to work for Hilary Clinton because I don’t think they had the resources, they were based out of a loft, so [it was] not very high security, we didn’t even have an alarm.
    …
    ‘I don’t know how they run their operation now, but we literally had our server racks in the bathroom. I mean knowing how small Platte River Networks… I don’t see how that would be secure [enough for Clinton].’

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new.....z3jB8hktGk

    HA is no stranger to scatological humor, when it comes to the other side:

    http://horsesass.org/poop-bags.....-ideology/

  2. 2

    @1 Makes perfect sense; I get most of my brainstorms in 2 places, both of which are in the bathroom.

  3. 3

    Updates

    1. Remember George Zimmerman, the Florida vigilante killer? He’s now an artist of sorts.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ge.....ag-prints/

    2. Remember the Arizona militia gun nuts “guarding” our border with Mexico? They’re now accused drug traffickers.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ar.....smugglers/

    3. Remember the Kansas abortion clinic where Dr. George Tiller was murdered by a right-to-life terrorist? A guy was arrested there today with a backpack containing an IED and knives.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ma.....on-clinic/

  4. 4

    Heidi Klum Puts Donald Trump In His Place

    Trump: “Heidi Klum. Sadly, she’s no longer a 10.”

    Klum “posted a video in which she’s donning a T-shirt with a “10” sign on it during a photo shoot. Soon, though, a man sporting a Donald Trump mask shows up and rips off the sign to reveal the figure 9.99.”

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/se.....0-comment/

  6. 6

    Ye Publicke Notice

    Roger Rabbit is going on vacation today for his annual tour of Northwest Lettuce Farms and won’t be posting for a couple weeks. You worthless trolls will have to find something else to do until I return and resume kicking your useless asses around the block and six ways to Sundays. Play with yourselves or something.

  8. 8

    It looks like Zombie (u)SP can’t rise from the grave anymore. If this is indeed the end, then Tensor would be the one to have driven the final nail into the coffin.

  9. 9

    #BLM softening the defenses of Hillary:

    Members of the group who met with Clinton spoke about the experience during an interview on MSNBC’s “The Rachel Maddow Show” Monday night with Melissa Harris-Perry, who aired segments of the video.

    Julius Jones said Clinton “was ducking personal responsibility for the role that her and her family played” in laws pushed by the Bill Clinton administration that affected mass incarceration.

    Daunasia Yancey also said the exchange served as a moment of reflection for Clinton, adding, “her response really targeting on policy wasn’t sufficient for us.”

    http://thehill.com/blogs/ballo.....-not-going

    well prior to her general election fight with the GOP.

    This is classic:

    Follow Jimmy
    ‏@JimmyPrinceton
    Hillary to BLM: “If that is your position then I will talk only to white people about how we are going to deal with the very real problems.”

    Imagine if Chris Christie had said that. Hell, imagine if Bernie Sanders had said that.

    It will be fun watching Hillary walk back the Clinton years once she decides that it’s safer to pander than to defend.

  10. 10

    @ 7

    No, he suffers from low IQ and an absence of inhibitory neurotransmitters.

  11. 11

    Julius Jones said Clinton “was ducking personal responsibility for the role that her and her family played” in laws pushed by the Bill Clinton administration that affected mass incarceration.

    That’s A-OK with the HA DUMMOCRETIN crowd because it really was the vast right wing conspiracy that REALLY caused that to happen!

  12. 12

    Oh noes… http://www.breitbart.com/big-g.....al-aliens/

    Please do not tarnish the name of black slaves by comparing them to your plight. There’s no comparison. None.

    Black slaves did not break into this country, okay. They were brought here against their will. Also, black slaves are not immigrants. Immigrants are people with a choice, they come here by choice. Black slaves didn’t have choice.

    Maybe blacks are finally waking up to the fact DUMMOCRETINS don’t really care for them. Well rujaxoffallthetimestillprovingnuthinappears is still a reservation loving IDIOT!

  13. 13

    Hmmm… as Artie Johnson would say “Very Interstink…” http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new.....ailymailus

    One, Tera Dadiotis, called it ‘a mom and pop shop’ which was an excellent place to work, but hardly seemed likely to be used to secure state secrets. And Tom Welch, who helped found the company, confirmed the servers were in a bathroom closet.

    It can also be disclosed that the small number of employees who were aware of the Clinton contract were told to keep it secret.

    PuddyCommentary: Wow, the next paragraphs are very telling. DUMMOCRETIN connections all throughout the company! State secrets held in the bathroom.

    Remember the BIG LIE back at the beginning of this farce, when Heilary assured us her server was kept in a secure facility and guarded by the Secret Service at all times! Those secret service agents were her husbands personal guards mandated by law! They had the experience to guard it. And we all know Secret Service agents would have prevented hackers from attacking it right HA DUMMOCRETINS? According to what lies Heilary’s team have told so far, Clinton’s server didn’t end up in that Denver bathroom or did it? Butt butt butt it was in Chappaqua, and later moved to a data center in New Jersey, which makes it increasingly bizarre that this company working out of a loft apartment in Colorado would take charge of it running it from their bathroom, right?

    Very Interstink indeed… Such a liar! When a DUMMOCRETIN’S lips move… lies abound!

  14. 14

    Since it was Heilary’s legal responsibility to ensure that classified information was properly handled per State Department spokespeople (Where is Marie Harf when you need her). Now we know that Heilary has been lying about it for so long to everyone starting in March 2015, it’s quite possible that she never told Platte River about it.

    Remember she lied that there was no subpoena for her emails. Trey Gowdy nuked that lie with multiple produced documents and Congressional testimony.

    Yes HA DUMMOCRETINS keep that support for Heilary. Yes… please do! Lie after lie after lie!

    Unless Heilary swapped out those hard drives from the server and placed blank ones in there, the FBI will have some success!

  16. 16

    I think Klum missed the opportunity to tell Trump his brains are only a 1%. He’s such a vile human being. I hopes he keeps it up until he’s completely destroyed any hope Republicans will win anywhere except Alabama and Mississippi.

  17. 17

    a reservation loving IDIOT!

    That’s a good description of the troll. Almost all reality respecting people with a brain know that a majority of black people live in the suburbs and have been for a long time.

    Moreover, it was not until 2010 that more than half of metropolitan blacks became suburban residents. An important milestone was passed when that year’s census became the first to show a majority of each of the nation’s largest racial minority groups residing in the suburbs.

    http://www.newrepublic.com/art.....thing-past

    No the troll has no brain. It LOVES the LIE of the “reservation”.

  18. 18

    An isn’t it a kick that now that most blacks have moved out of the inner cities that they voted OVERWHELMINGLY for TWO TERM President Obama..

    Thank you suburb dwelling black folks for making a FOOL of the babbling jackass troll.

    Thank you for making such a freaking JOKE of ASSHOLES like Randroid Ryan and his sidekick, the hapless out of touch Willard R-Money and their myth of the “urban vote”.

  21. 21

    Hey babbling jackass troll. Check out what Marco Rubio is wearing:

    http://assets.bwbx.io/images/i...../-1x-1.jpg

    Is Rubio “cheap” in your eyes? When Papa Bush said he liked fried pork rinds, did that make you vote for Clinton?

    And just recently Rubio said he’s opposed to Trump’s views on the 14th ammendment. Damn! The fool’s going nowhere fast with the base.

  22. 22

    Ooooh my this is so sweeeet…

    The babbling jackass’ beloved Carson gets

    FOUR. count em’ FOUR. Pinocchios!

    Taken together, Carson’s remarks suggest that Planned Parenthood, as a result of deliberate policies set in place by its founder, targets blacks for abortions. But the evidence shows that a relatively small percentage of clinics are in black-majority neighborhoods — or even in neighborhoods where blacks are more than one-quarter of the population…

    Mixing all of these elements together, with little basis in fact, earns Carson Four Pinocchios.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....opulation/

    And the babbling jackass was just touting Carson’s lies about PP.

    Carson is a delusional promulgator of blatant falsehoods like his follower the babbling jackass troll.. LIES, LIES – they thrive on that!

  24. 24

    I’m frankly a bit surprised to see Carson and Fiorina tossed under The Clown Car this early.

    I blame Trump.

  25. 25

    @13

    I see our resident IT expert does not know the difference between a firewalled server in a secure offsite location and the servers of the IT company itself.

    Duly noted.

    Hint, servers for one of the companies I contract with must be fully HIPA compliant. I do not have to maintain compliance because all incoming messages to and from me are encrypted and do not contain protected HIPA related information.

    But I would expect an IT professional to know the difference. Here we have Piddles pretending that any data on HRC’s server was also on the servers of the company that set up HRC’s server. You can’t really be that stupid or is you career history as fake as your persona here?

  26. 26

    @22

    ‘Course he is. Seventh Day Adventist. They of the “anytime the bible says wine it REALLY means grape juice! Oh, and it is the devinely inspired exact word of God. Except when it says wine. That word isn’t real. It should say Grape Juice.”

    (Can I get a callback?)

  27. 27

    I’ve never bothered to look at and see if there is time stamp to the posts, maybe there is, and maybe the open threads are posted at specific regularly scheduled times, which would make this understandable….but does bob sign in first thing in the morning and keep hitting the browser refresh button so that he can be the first one to post a comment? Seems like he’s first every time.

    I wonder if being a radiologist is just as easy…. Maybe we take the homeless and turn them into radiologists.

  29. 29

    Moronic twit @22, Yes we know all about the Glenn Kessler politics. And we know how Kessler twists facts for his own positions… No where does Kessler delve into this fact… 79% of its surgical abortion facilities are located within walking distance of African American or Hispanic/Latino neighborhoods. All Glenn does is look at all Planned Parenthood locations.

    http://www.protectingblacklife.org/pp_targets/

  30. 30

    Yes we know all about the Glenn Kessler politics. And we know how Kessler twists facts for his own positions…

    “We”? The troll touts the voices in its empty skull..

    The troll has used Kessler’s fact checking many many times. If it goes troll’s way it’s fine.

    If not the troll squirts squid ink. Most abortion providers INCLUDING PP are located in majority WHITE neighborhoods.

    THIS IS A FACT!

    97 percent of what PP does is NOT abortion. Does the troll believe blacks shouldn’t have easy access to contraception, cancer screening and std treatment?

    Of course the troll believes that. The TROLL HATES black women!

    The troll calls black women SEMEN SPONGES..

    Carson is a f’d up in the head cultist like the troll. Carson has used tissue from aborted fetuses to conduct research while recently claiming such research doesn’t get results and can be substituted through other means.

    Carson and the troll are disgusting LIARS!

  31. 31

    FACT – Guttmacher is the paid arm of Planned Parenthood.

    EPIC FAYLE clueless monomaniacal yellowishleakingbuttspigot arschloch!

    The troll calls black women SEMEN SPONGES.. Such a LIAR!

    Didn’t Puddy call it? Puddy PWNS the clueless monomaniacal yellowishleakingbuttspigot arschloch!

    DAYUM clueless monomaniacal yellowishleakingbuttspigot arschloch…

    EPIC FAYLE #263 1/263 is .38% now!

  33. 33

    Once again Glenn Kessler uses all abortion clinics not just Planned Parenthood clinics as Dr. Ben Carson said clueless monomaniacal yellowishleakingbuttspigot arschloch! Now why is that? Because of Glenn’s agenda!

    http://www.numberofabortions.com/ – So why are the black population percentages of 13.2% not commensurate to the number of abortions of 30%?

    Ever heard of Fannie Lou Hamer clueless monomaniacal yellowishleakingbuttspigot arschloch?

    The Hamers adopted two daughters, girls whose own families were unable to care for them. (They later adopted their two grandchildren after the older daughter’s death.) Hamer’s own pregnancies had all failed, and she was sterilized without her knowledge or consent in 1961. She was given a hysterectomy while in the hospital for minor surgery, a procedure so common it was known as a “Mississippi appendectomy.” “[In] the North Sunflower County Hospital, I would say about six out of the 10 Negro women that go to the hospital are sterilized with the tubes tied,” she told a Washington, DC, audience three years later.

    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americ.....mer-hamer/

    Read the whole thing HA DUMMOCRETINS… You’ll learn all about President Lyndon Johnson and his Southern Strategy against blacks all the way back in 1964! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fannie_Lou_Hamer

    Do you mean to tell me that your position is more important than four hundred thousand black people’s lives? Senator Humphrey, I know lots of people in Mississippi who have lost their jobs trying to register to vote. I had to leave the plantation where I worked in Sunflower County, Mississippi. Now if you lose this job of Vice-President because you do what is right, because you help the MFDP, everything will be all right. God will take care of you. But if you take [the nomination] this way, why, you will never be able to do any good for civil rights, for poor people, for peace, or any of those things you talk about. Senator Humphrey, I’m going to pray to Jesus for you.

    PuddyCommentary: Fannie was right. God made sure HHHumphrey lost in 1968.

  34. 34

    The troll calls black women SEMEN SPONGES.. Such a LIAR!

    HAHAHAHA!

    Did those liberal [sic] policies force black men to use black women as semen sponges and create so many out of wedlock children with no father figures to guide them?

    http://horsesass.org/civil-lib.....nt-1285528

    Your words troll. Your fantasy about “liberal policies” leads to your hatred of black women.

    More evidence:

    Don’t do the deed with the steed if you can’t stand or have the final consequences planned.

    All the fault is with black women, eh troll? Any black woman reading that would just have one word to describe you fool:

    ASSHOLE. Like Darryl said. Or DUMBASS if she’s feeling charitable.

  35. 35

    THIS IS A FACT!

    Really clueless monomaniacal yellowishleakingbuttspigot arschloch>

    Guttmacher is the paid arm of Planned Parenthood?

    R U Weally this stoooooooooopid not knowing whom Guttmacher is?

  36. 36

    Breitbart references NBC… http://www.breitbart.com/big-g.....ns-server/

    Clinton created endless problems for both herself and the country by wiping that system, and it’s painfully obvious why she did it. Even some liberals have lately been moaning that if she hadn’t nuked all that data, she could clear up her problems in a jiffy. (Well, that’s what they were wishing before the Top Secret information was found – not even the full recovery of her system data would make that go away.)

    You’re the Secretary of State, you’re planning to run for President, you know it was highly irregular to set up your own private email server… and even though you’re adamant that nothing untoward was sent through that server, you make a point of blowing the whole thing to kingdom come and guaranteeing that you look like the villain in a scandal potboiler? And you supposedly only set up the private system in the first place for… convenience?

    PuddyCommentary: The shitstorm is getting more fierce. Get the popcorn Martha. This is getting very interesting!

  37. 37

    This is sooooooooo true… http://www.washingtontimes.com.....aeus-crac/

    The Obama administration has a history of dealing harshly with those who mishandle classified information — unless the offender resides in the White House inner circle.

    PuddyCommentary: Yesiree… We see that in spades!

  39. 39

    Remember last week how some HA DUMMOCRETINS claimed the news was being slanted to the right by the nightly news casts? No? Wanna review that BULLSHITTIUM again? Here’s how the Big Three slants the news every night! http://newsbusters.org/blogs/n.....-mails-now

  40. 40

    Heh, lookie here, the libtard site was hacked and now the names are exposed… http://www.wired.com/2015/08/h.....ison-data/

    “Avid Life Media has failed to take down Ashley Madison and Established Men,” Impact Team wrote in a statement accompanying the online dump Tuesday. “We have explained the fraud, deceit, and stupidity of ALM and their members. Now everyone gets to see their data…. Keep in mind the site is a scam with thousands of fake female profiles. See ashley madison fake profile lawsuit; 90-95% of actual users are male. Chances are your man signed up on the world’s biggest affair site, but never had one. He just tried to. If that distinction matters.”

  43. 43

    Ahhh the clueless monomaniacal yellowishleakingbuttspigot arschloch @38 changes its tune again!

    Kessler points out that Herman Cain road that bandwagon even worse than Carson is doing right now.

    Road? Which road clueless monomaniacal yellowishleakingbuttspigot arschloch?

    KAAAAAAAAAAAAABLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMMOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
    Call Puddy a waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahambulance
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
    ROTFLRHMBBAO!
    Bwaaaaaaaaaaa haaaaaaaaaaaaaa haaaaaaaa haaaaaaaaaaa haaaaaaa haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa haaaaaaaaaa haaaaaaaaaaaa haaaaaaaaaa bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaa haaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

  44. 44

    Oh no we missed a milestone… http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1998/08/17/speech/

    “Indeed I did have a relationship with Ms. Lewinsky that was not appropriate. In fact, it was wrong. It constituted a critical lapse in judgment and a personal failure on my part for which I am solely and completely responsible,” Willy Cigar Clinton!

    The first lady did not appear with her husband during his speech, but did have a hand in crafting the speech, sources tell CNN. The president’s personal attorney David Kendall was strongly involved.

    David Kendall was involved back then!

  45. 45

    I see our resident IT expert does not know the difference between a firewalled server in a secure offsite location and the servers of the IT company itself.

    Duly noted.

    – Heh… Oh checkmate… No one really knows if it was “firewalled” or if it was secure! Remember moronic one we first was told it was in Chappaqua under secret service protection!

    Hint, servers for one of the companies I contract with must be fully HIPA compliant.

    – What is HIPA? Puddy knows HIPAA! R U really a doctor or you just play one here on HA DUMMOCRETINS checkmate?

    Nice train wreck. Another of your EPIC FAYLES!

  47. 47

    FACT – Guttmacher is the paid arm of Planned Parenthood.

    NOPE. 13 million plus dollar budget and not a penny comes from PP.

    In 2010, PPFA’s final contribution in support of the Institute’s program, in the amount of $75,000, constituted 0.6% of Guttmacher’s nearly $13 million budget. In 2013, PPFA made a one-time contribution of $50,000 to the Cory L. Richards Memorial Scholarship Fund; this gift did not support the Institute’s programmatic work.

    http://www.guttmacher.org/about/faq.html

    The troll is wrong again.. Its black genocide fantasy is right wing BULLSHIT and earned its beloved Carson

    FOUR PINOCCHIOS..

    Carson used tissue from aborted fetuses to advance his career. This will sink him with the forced birth and preserve blastocysts at all costs crowd. They will brand him a necrophile.

    He is toast. Klownservatics won’t vote for an SDA cult member any more than they would for a Mormon. In the words of an idiot troll “not that great of a candidate”.

  48. 48

    Yet another “flattering” view of black women from the troll:

    I am saddened that the beautiful sisters are spreading their legs, taking a load of jism, getting pregnant before their time and aborting almost as many babies as there are live births to black women each year! Maybe that makes you happy in some vile way but it sickens me!

    http://horsesass.org/alito-ope.....ent-264177

    Silly troll.. It’s the stupid shit in your own empty skull that “sickens” you.

  51. 51

    Carson used tissue from aborted fetuses to advance his career. This will sink him with the forced birth and preserve blastocysts at all costs crowd. They will brand him a necrophile.

    LIAR again clueless monomaniacal yellowishleakingbuttspigot arschloch! Dr Ben sent diseased cells (supplied tumors that he had removed from his live patients.) to the pathology lab and they compared it. Plain and simple!

    Dr Jen Gunter is a liar and has been called on it. Yet you eat up BULLSHITTIUM like the crap above!

    DAYUM U B stoooooooooooopid!

  52. 52

    EPIC FAYLE #264
    clueless monomaniacal yellowishleakingbuttspigot arschloch @48

    Even Carl Ballard sees it while you can’t
    clueless monomaniacal yellowishleakingbuttspigot arschloch– Straight Outta Compton is bold, invigorating, and reminded me of all the things I do love about rap music. It also reinforces, affirms, and glorifies the systems in place that dehumanize, commodify, and erase Black women.

    You’ll always be that stoooooooooooopid!

  53. 53

    The Guttmacher Institute was founded by former Planned Parenthood President and former Vice President of the American Eugenics Society, Alan F. Guttmacher. IT was part of the corporate structure of Planned Parenthood! Guttmacher’s Institute was founded 1968 as a research arm of Planned Parenthood. http://lifenews.wpengine.netdn.....acher3.jpg Yeah, in 2011 Planned Parenthood gave $2,142,076 to Guttmacher!

    That’s your unaffiliation eh
    clueless monomaniacal yellowishleakingbuttspigot arschloch?

    Remember Guttmacher… http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs.....304111.pdf

    Abortion services are concentrated in cities.

    Well their abortion services are concentrated in cities
    clueless monomaniacal yellowishleakingbuttspigot arschloch

    You are so full of cognitive dissonance it’s hilarious
    clueless monomaniacal yellowishleakingbuttspigot arschloch

  54. 54

    “abortion services are concentrated in cities”

    Other than feed stores and tack shops, what isn’t?

    The stupidity of the batshit crazy loon knows no bounds.

  55. 55

    (Ashley Madison) the libtard site was hacked and now the names are exposed

    Yep, a sex realted site. it has to be Liberal. Sexually Repressed Republicans and Libertarians never have affairs, right
    Herman Cain?
    Senator Gingrich?
    Governor Sanford?
    Senator Craig?
    Senator Vitter?
    Mayor West?
    Mayor Guiliani?
    and on
    and on
    and on

  59. 59

    Dr Ben sent diseased cells (supplied tumors that he had removed from his live patients.) to the pathology lab and they compared it. Plain and simple!

    LMAO!!! Here’s what the research paper says Mr. Stupid and Credulous:

    human choroid plexus ependyma and nasal mucosa from two fetuses aborted in the ninth and 17th week of gestation

    Your beloved Carson’s NAME IS ON THE PAPER.

  61. 61

    To Stooooooooooooopid Solution Steve and the clueless monomaniacal yellowishleakingbuttspigot arschloch, the Guttmacher paper has that sentence:

    Abortion services are concentrated in cities.

    Puddy supplied the link!

    KAAAAAAAAAAAAABLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMMOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
    Call Puddy a waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahambulance
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
    ROTFLRHMBBAO!
    Bwaaaaaaaaaaa haaaaaaaaaaaaaa haaaaaaaa haaaaaaaaaaa haaaaaaa haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa haaaaaaaaaa haaaaaaaaaaaa haaaaaaaaaa bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaa haaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

    Apparently to these two useless biomASS ASSes reading isn’t fundamental!

    EPIC FAYLE!

  62. 62

    @57,

    2014 – Didn’t report anything yet. http://www.guttmacher.org/about/faq.html#7

    Another instance of no research by the clueless monomaniacal yellowishleakingbuttspigot arschloch!!!!! Whatatard!

    and 2015… How would you know you KLOWN? The year hasn’t ended yet! DAYUM as stooooooooooopid as evah!

    So? http://www.guttmacher.org/abou.....Report.pdf

    Foundations and Other Institutional Donors – International Planned Parenthood Federation How much? Hidden from view…

    Butt we do know this… Planned Parenthood Federation of America is a founding member of the International Planned Parenthood Federation (IPPF).

    http://plannedparenthood.org/f.....ERSION.pdf

    So now we see another conduit into Guttmacher as a funding source!

    Sux to be you clueless monomaniacal yellowishleakingbuttspigot arschloch!!!!!

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