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Drinking Liberally — Seattle

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Join us tonight for another adventure in politics over a pint at the Seattle Chapter of Drinking Liberally.

We meet tonight and every Tuesday evening at the Roanoke Park Place Tavern, 2409 10th Ave E, Seattle. The starting time is 8:00 pm, but some folks show up before that for dinner.




Can’t make it to Seattle tonight? Check out one of the other DL meetings this week. The Tri-Cities, Redmond, and Vancouver, WA chapters also meet on Tuesday. On Wednesday, the Bellingham and Spokane chapters meet. The Bremerton chapter meets on Thursday. And next Monday, the Aberdeen and Yakima chapters meet.

There are 177 chapters of Living Liberally, including fifteen in Washington state, four in Oregon and two in Idaho, so chances are excellent there’s a chapter meeting somewhere near you.

Comments

  1. 1

    Wow Progressive Dud Elizabeth Fauxcohantas Warren is working her “magic” again! http://www.politico.com/story/.....13390.html

    PuddyCommentary: Y’all can read about her verbal destruction of Obummer’s pick for Treasury undersecretary for domestic finance! It’s interesting to learn of two new rich noertheastern DUMMOCRETIN big money suppliers, “Reinier Beeuwkes III and his wife, Nancy”. Puddy will be watching these two over the next two years. More Big DUMMOCRETIN money. Where are the loud mouth creeps on HA DUMMOCRETINS who scream about big money on the Republican side? MIA of course! Puddy thought it was big money that Fauxcohantas Warren decried in politics?

    Puddy wants to focus on this since Fauxcohantas Warren has a short memory!

    She ascribed some of the problem to a worsening climate of economic opportunity for African-Americans than existed even a decade ago, according to attendees. And she said that the mortgage crisis affected black and Hispanic families more heavily, describing those groups as being “targeted.”

    So Senator Warren… Jimmae Cahrta and Congressional DUMMOCRETINS promoted the 1977 Community Reinvestment Act (CRA). Where were you back then? Still in diapers? Watching Mr. Rogers? Sesame Street? Under Willie Cigar Clinton “In the 1990′s under the administration of Franklin Raines, a Clinton Administration appointee, Fannie Mae began to demand that the lending institutions that it dealt with prove that they were not redlining. This meant that the lending institutions would have to fulfill a quota of minority mortgage lending.” – Thayer Watkins, San Jose University professor of economics.

    Then the NY Slimes trumpeted what Cigar man was doing in 1999… http://www.nytimes.com/1999/09.....nding.html

    Home ownership has, in fact, exploded among minorities during the economic boom of the 1990′s. The number of mortgages extended to Hispanic applicants jumped by 87.2 per cent from 1993 to 1998, according to Harvard University’s Joint Center for Housing Studies. During that same period the number of African Americans who got mortgages to buy a home increased by 71.9 per cent and the number of Asian Americans by 46.3 per cent.

    BTW vomited covered deadtoad, Puddy received a conventional home mortgage during those years. Weren’t Clinton’s guvmint peeps (read DUMMOCRETIN bureaucrapts) purposely pushing the narrative that they were offering the home ownership opportunity and that would help elevate low-income minority families out of poverty?

    Then when this market collapsed in 2007 and 2008, and many minorities lost their homes due to these forced government programs producing racially poisonous minority bank lending practices, where was Fauxcohantas Warren then? Where was she screaming about those forced progressive lending policies? Yet the Congressional DUMMOCRETINS became very upset when Republicans rightfully pointed out these forced government programs producing racially poisonous minority bank lending practices. Did they look at themselves for this program? Ummm…? NOPE!

    We had Sheila Jackson Lee and Charlie Rangel and other CBC members threatening House mis-actions if Freddie Mae and Fannie Mac under Franklin Raines was held responsible for those forced government programs producing racially poisonous minority bank lending practices.

    More government “good intentions” destroying minority home ownership dreams whom as low information voters continue to lock step vote for those same people who took away their homes!

  2. 2

    And now the gift that keeps giving… Lois Lerner and the IRS Scandal… http://www.judicialwatch.org/p.....elections/

    Judicial Watch today released internal Department of Justice (DOJ) documents revealing that former IRS official Lois Lerner had been in contact with DOJ officials about the possible criminal prosecution of tax-exempt entities two full years before what the IRS conceded was its “absolutely inappropriate” 2012 targeting of the organizations. According to the newly obtained documents, Lerner met with top Obama DOJ Election Crimes Branch officials as early as October 2010.

    PuddyCommentary: Looks like Elijah Cummings has some tasty crow to eat. The plates are piling up, higher and higher. Puddy hopes Cummings is hungry! As Judicial Watch wrote… No wonder the Department of Justice under Eric Holder has done no serious investigation of the Obama IRS scandal. And if y’all remember Lois Lerner was trying to get one Tea Party group member thrown into prison to try and stop these Tea Party activities. Puddy already gave link. Seek the crazed database deala for the standard link replay! Yessiree, no wonder! Richard Nixon was impeached for far less!

    DUMMOCRETINS are law breaking scum!

  3. 3

    Why not discuss this tonight over a brewski… http://weaselzippers.us/207522.....s-any-guy/ Another Biden Gaffe: Tells Girls Who Can Write Computer Code, “You’re As Smart As Any Guy”… PuddyCommentary: Now if Ted Cruz said this, Rachel MadCow would have spent 15 minutes on it. Chris Matthews would be leaving slobber on his microphone. Scott Pelley, Brian Williams and David Muir would open their nightly newscasts with this… The wimens on the view would be screaming to high heaven. All the standard left wrong web sites used here would have a lede on this. HA DUMMORETIN heads would start a thread. Yet nary a peep from DUMMOCRETINS.

    Where is the NOW gang who castigated a scientific member of the asteroid landing team for wearing a colorful t-shirt? Where is the NOW gang who castigated Marvel Comics artist for Spider-Woman’s big butt? Where is the NOW gang who castigated the public over working mothers’ having to produce home cooked meals?

    Biased news people produce biased news reports. There is no we report you decide in left wrong libtard DUMMOCRETIN circles! No left wrong slobbering leftist DUMMOCRETIN msm asked Biden to apologize either! Joe BiteME is being Joe BiteME! Another typical msm double standard in action!

    DUMMOCRETINS are misogynist scum!

  4. 4

    As Puddy leaves for a while… why not discuss Lena Dunham and her book of lies over a brewski… http://www.breitbart.com/Big-H.....r-scrutiny Dunham blames a “rape” on a man whom from all investigations is innocent. And does Dunham apologize?

    Through various sources, Breitbart News learned that another news organization is pursuing other leads and individuals. One particular name came up twice. His name is not Barry, but for obvious reasons we won’t reveal his name. A thorough, good faith search did reveal that this individual attended Oberlin at the same time Dunham did. If this is him, two individuals directly involved in Oberlin’s Republican organization did not know the man Dunham describes as Oberlin’s “resident conservative.”

    Oberlin College is a participant in this rape lie cover-up!

    After all, being a DUMMOCRETIN gives you rights normal people never have. Lena Dunham is scum! http://www.nationalreview.com/.....n/page/0/1

  5. 5

    @3

    Swing and a miss. First your right wing “outrage” fourth tier internet blog had to change the quote…see those two high dots at the beginning and end? that implies exact wording…to make it more sensational.

    “You guys do understand, by the way, you’re as smart as any boy in the world. You know that, right? There’s not a single, solitary thing a man can do that you can’t do. Just remember that.”

    You work in computers allegedly. Should I point you to a few demographic articles on the male to female ratio in coding? Need help finding any info on how women are viewed by their male counterparts in the general computing world? Surely you’ve seen it. Encouraging young women to go into a well-paid field dominated by men is now sexist. MMMMKay?

  6. 6

    The torture report is nasty. Americans should not torture. Who authorized that debacle that didn’t accomplish anything?

  11. 11

    “DUMMOCRETINS are law breaking scum!”

    If Democrats are lying scum, what shall we call those Republicans who tortured people and then lied their asses off about it?

    Oh, that’s right. They’re called “war criminals”, known to wingnut tards like you as the Bush administration. The same gang of criminals who destroyed our economy. Little wonder they don’t travel abroad anymore, what with the very real prospects of their being apprehended, tried and hung.

  12. 12

    A little late to the table, but I wanted to comment on some comments on a previous thread regard Obama being responsible for income inequality, not that the commenters had a problem with income inequality, they just seemed to want to place blame. You know blaming is always the negative, so regardless of how you feel on the subject, like even if you don’t believe in global warming, if you can blame someone else than hey you are the right track

    Anyways, I was going to look back at the comments to see if there was any factual data that might go against my argument, but I am too lazy.

    Anyways I like to think income inequality started with the crash in the market, back in 2008/2009. You see, even working for a fairly reputable company, on of the top 150 privately owned companies in the US, I was subject to a freeze in my salary in 2009 and 2010. Our annual reviews are coming due, and I was reviewing paperwork from the past and I don’t even recall it but there is paperwork showing that I got no raise in 2009 and 2010 for the reason of the freeze on salaries. Time were tough even for the top 150 privately owned company in the us.

    So I’d like to think that 2008 and 2009 stock market crash, which Obama wasn’t to blame for, was also a contributor to income inequality in this country.

    So you try to take what is good about an Obama Recovery and try to tarnish it with something of income inequality, even though you probably don’t believe in income inequality. Democrats are trying to raise lower wage incomes, Republicans fight it, they want everyone to have low wages. What hogwash and hypocrites.

  13. 13

    Yes Puddy retired. Have you paid attention to the posting times?

    HAHAHAHAHA! If y’all really knew. Puddy so happy y’all are worried about Puddy. Such love from DUMMOCRETINS!

    See ya.

  14. 14

    Its funny how the ape thinks Scott Pelley is a liberal. I think he is a sarcastic conservative.

  16. 16

    checkmate,

    You do remember Carl’s post four weeks ago about wimen gamers right… When it was investigated male gamers are highly left wrong leaning DUMMOCRETINS and misogynists. Go back and research the link. Puddy offered the evidence from credible sources!

    Enjoy playing with online DUMMOCRETIN misogynists!

  17. 17

    Chafed butt head@14,

    Scott Pelley is a real libtard. Look up his bio! Also to reach the Walter Cronkite – Dan Rather chair at CBS News you have to be DUMMOCRETIN because David Rhodes is the big brother of Ben Rhodes… Ben works in Obummer whitey house.

    Sux to be a used butthead!

  18. 18

    Oh Stupid Solution Steve@11,

    The only Congressional DUMMOCRETIN to object was Jane Harman. Sooooooooooo your “disgust” is misplaced.

    Sux to be high on stupid solution!

    See ya later!

  20. 20

    @7 “Is this all he does all day?”

    Yes, for the most part, but you already know that.

  22. 22

    @13 Of course we worry about you. What would we do with ourselves without you to kick around? All the other trolls have disappeared.

  23. 23

    @16,

    Nice non-sequiter or as you like to call it changing the subject.

    Could you please explain how Vice President Biden telling a group of pre-teen and teen girls that they are just as smart and capable as boys is sexist or demeaning?

    A right wing blog you frequent said it was sexist so Piddles can’t wait to jump on here and post the link without thinking, “Hey, is telling girls they can be anything ACTUALLY sexist?” because, well, “Good boy Puddy. Sit. Good Boy. Who’s a good boy. Who can read a blog. Now Speak. That’s a good boy, here’s a milkbone. Now fetch, who’s a good boy yes you are!”

  24. 24

    Poor Puddy.

    As the biggest offender, you have earned the additional burden of self restraint.

    Right Man’s Burden.

  25. 25

    Over three subsequent years, we find that binding minimum wage increases had
    significant, negative effects on the employment and income growth of targeted workers.
    Lost income reflects contributions from employment declines, increased probabilities of
    working without pay (i.e., an “internship” effect), and lost wage growth associated with
    reductions in experience accumulation. Methodologically, we show that our approach
    identifies targeted workers more precisely than the demographic and industrial proxies
    used regularly in the literature. Additionally, because we identify targeted workers on
    a population-wide basis, our approach is relatively well suited for extrapolating to estimates
    of the minimum wage’s effects on aggregate employment. Over the late 2000s, the
    average effective minimum wage rose by 30 percent across the United States. We estimate
    that these minimum wage increases reduced the national employment-to-population ratio
    by 0.7 percentage point.

    http://econweb.ucsd.edu/~mwith.....rnings.pdf

    Ugh. 71 pages.

    Has anyone else seen this? Might anything in it affect an author who tends to begin sentences with “There’s simply no evidence that……”?

    Mostly presented without comment, but I wonder what those who read stuff like this for a living think about it.

  26. 26

    @25

    Ex post ergo proctor hoc.

    The abstract says they are looking at the last federal minimum wage phase in from 2007-2010 and ignoring other factors.

    What happened at the exact time as the minimum wage increase the authors are claiming is the cause of higher unemployment and a decrease in the labor participation rate?

    I’ll help you out

    2007 – Bear Sterns Collapses
    2007 – Goldman Sachs collapses
    2007 – Countrywide Mortgage collapses
    2008 – Washington Mutual Collapses

  27. 27

    @25 Typical Cheap Shot Bob posting. he champions a data point that sort of supports his position, to argue that society should do nothing.
    “Cheap-labor conservatives don’t like the minimum wage, or other improvements in wages and working conditions. Why? These reforms undo all of their efforts to keep the workers in a position to “work cheap or starve.””

  28. 28

    @27

    It’s deeper than that. Conserviworld has plucked tho obscure UCSD econ paper out of the hundreds and don’t understand it. But it is proof of something.

    Bound vs. Unbound in other words states where the minimum wage was already higher than the new federal minimum fared better in the recession. It is possible that states with higher minimums and therefore more disposable income fared better because of the higher purchasing power of their poorest workers

    The authors don’t explore questions like this but pepper the work with variants of “other things being equal.” But they already acknowledge things weren’t equal. Some states were unbound and not equal.

    It’s the same long con. Ignore reams of peer reviewed research that says cigarettes cause cancer, this paper funded by Heritage says there’s no link. These four researchers are right, the other 700 are wrong. Ignore climate data, this slim minority is right. Ignore water table data, fraking is safe, this slim minority of scientists say so and the majority of researchers are wrong.

  29. 29

    @ 27

    At least you’re not wondering if it’s a corporate lie this time around.

    @ 26, 28

    The Great Recession is clearly the big unknown and it might essentially invalidate the study’s conclusion. Or perhaps not. It’s why I asked, and did so in a hostile environment.

    I just don’t think dismissing something out of hand constitutes a valid response. Unless, of course, there are ‘reams of research’ that say 30% wage increases don’t create much of of a ripple at all.

  30. 30

    Drip…Drip…Drip

    Looks like Gov. Christie just had some bad news break out.

    From WYNC (New Jersey Public Radio):

    …newly disclosed phone records – supplied by AT&T to the New Jersey legislature and obtained by WNYC – show that Christie's current Chief of Staff, Regina Egea, communicated by cell phone with Gov. Christie 12 times during that hearing on December 9, 2013. The Governor initiated the contact, about 30 minutes into the testimony, and sent a total of three texts to the aide.  Egea replied nine times before the testimony concluded. The records show only one other text from Egea to Christie that month, on Christmas Day.

    This is important because…

    The new evidence contrasts with a report the governor's legal team issued last March, which did not reveal any texts about the lane closures sent from Christie to anyone from September 2013, when the Fort Lee traffic tie-ups occurred, through January. And it contradicts the sworn testimony of Egea that there was only one text from her to Christie that day.  

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/.....tail=email

  31. 31

    Bob @29

    I just don’t think dismissing something out of hand constitutes a valid response. Unless, of course, there are ‘reams of research’ that say 30% wage increases don’t create much of of a ripple at all.

    What Bloomberg says about our 1998 wage increase:

    “Highest Minimum-Wage State Washington Beats U.S. in Job Creation”

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/.....-jobs.html

    We have had other minimum wage increases with similar results. Never one that has tanked our economy.

    http://www.lni.wa.gov/WORKPLAC.....EFAULT.ASP

  32. 32

    I remember a story on TV (sorry, no cite) that Wall-Mart, among other minimum wage retailers, was concerned about a drop off in business because of the ever reducing buying power of the customers.

  33. 33

    Ekim @ 31

    I’m not so much talking about tanking the economy as I am about putting a lot of people out of work. I’ve said before that not enough emphasis is given to the number of people who will come out as losers in a large wage increase scenario, and I’m not dissuaded at all from that perspective by the results in the study I linked. Not yet, anyway. Again, this is why I brought it up.

    If you nationalized it, wouldn’t a decrease in the employment-to-population ratio of 0.7% be an awful lot of lost jobs?

    Your point about WA in 1998 noted. No argument. When gas was $1.06 a gallon and the labor participation rate was significantly higher, you’re right. A wage increase was reasonably smoothly absorbed into the economy.

  34. 34

    checkmate farted

    Nice non-sequiter or as you like to call it changing the subject.

    Hey boneheaded one, it was your own commentary in #5. Here it is here since you FORGOT what you wrote earlier…

    Should I point you to a few demographic articles on the male to female ratio in coding? Need help finding any info on how women are viewed by their male counterparts in the general computing world?

    So the deflection from your own fingers is now called into question by your own fingers?

    Sheeesh, it really hurts knowing that male gamer programmers are DUMMOCRETIN misogynists toward female gamer programmers eh checkmate? Another example of a DUMMOCRETIN writing something in a thread then FORGETTING they wrote it!

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! DO you have early senility checkmate?

  35. 35

    ekimgoatlover is a drip drip drip with those farm animals…

    Seriously what ever you are.., you need to stop drinking the Daily Kooks kook-aid…

    newly disclosed phone records…

    The AT&T phone records were release when? Do you actually know this ekimgoatlover? Today? Yesterday? Friday? Well let Puddy be very clear… http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com.....34881.html

    Thursday, Sep 11, 2014 • Updated at 12:14 PM EST

    AT&T has turned over phone records of a top aide to New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie to the legislative panel investigating the George Washington Bridge lane closures.

    Lawmakers requested a month of data, including text messages, sent or received by Regina Egea. She testified in July that she texted the governor her thoughts about December testimony on the bridge probe but later deleted the messages.

    If you nicely ask the crazed database deala, the absolutely neurotic low IQ monomaniacal moronic moonbattic crazed cretin yleakingbuttspigot, maybe you’ll see a link or two back a few months ago. And last week don’t you think CNN would have trumpeted anything negative about Chris Christie… http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/05/.....index.html

    National Democrats quickly seized on the development as proof that Christie and his aides have stonewalled the investigation, even as the 136-page report failed to find any conclusive evidence tying Christie to the scandal. And a top New Jersey Democrat vowed the investigation would continue.

    National DUMMOCRETINS have personal vendettas against Christie. And the libtard left wrong DUMMOCRETIN led msm are perpetuating their nefarious actions against Christie!

    Whatamoron ekimgoatlover is!

  37. 37

    Another checkmate fart

    2007 – Bear Sterns Collapses
    2007 – Goldman Sachs collapses
    2007 – Countrywide Mortgage collapses
    2008 – Washington Mutual Collapses

    Ummm checkmate… the answer is in PuddyPost #1. Those forced government programs producing racially poisonous minority bank lending practices caused many of the above to fail.

    Bear Sterns Collapses – the subprime mortgage crisis. See Wikipedia… because Puddy can only submit three link entries!
    Seems Goldman Sachs is still in operation… – http://theeconomiccollapseblog.....easy-steps

    Investment banking giant Goldman Sachs has become perhaps the most prominent symbol for everything that is wrong with the U.S. financial system, but most Americans cannot even begin to explain what they do or how they have made tens of billions of dollars from the economic collapse of America. The truth is that what Goldman Sachs did was fairly simple, and there may not have even been anything “illegal” about it (although they are now being investigated by the SEC among others).

    Countrywide Mortgage collapses – Remember Angelo Mozilo? Puddy remembers… http://www.freerepublic.com/fo.....ts?page=33 Angelo was a big time Obummer and DUMMOCRETIN money supplier.

    Everyone knows about WA Mutual – Subprime mortgages, those forced government programs producing racially poisonous minority bank lending practices.

    Seriously checkmate… You really need to improve your source materials.

    Goldman Sachs gave us some interesting Treasury Chairmen. Puddy already covered those peeps in other posts in the crazed databaze!

    checkmated again!

  38. 38

    Steve under the influence of his trademark signature Stupid Solution farted…

    If Democrats are lying scum, what shall we call those Republicans who tortured people and then lied their asses off about it?

    Patriots? Many scumbags are now gone! You still want those scumbags around?

    Even John Brennan, no Republican lover disagrees with Dianne Feinstein and the Senate DUMMOCRETINS’ strictly political assessment. For their report no accused CIA people were interviewed! Even two years after being released from Justice Department investigation, did Feinstein and DUMMOCRETIN staphs interview anyone from CIA? NOPE you DOPE! So this report is a strange thing!

    Didn’t we just walk through the tortured Rolling Stone article where the lady didn’t interview any of those accused? Why are Senate DUMMOCRETINS rehashing something that ended SEVEN years ago under the Bush Administration not when Obummer put out Obummer’s directive More misinformation for the low information voter crowd! CIA Director Panetta made references to waterboarding giving useful info to Brian Williams http://www.nbcnews.com/id/4288.....IfAMdt0zmE DUMMOCRETIN heads exploded!

    Good try Stupid Solution Steve!

  39. 39

    This is what Bill O’Reilly was talking about which Media Morons, TPM and other left wrong DUMMOCRETIN sites attacked Bill over. Well someone is attacking it. Oprah had this wonderful lady on her show last week. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....68680.html

    So what will a certain dumb cinder block who screams racism every time Obummer is attacked say about Jay Williams and his 34 children by 17 different women?

  40. 40

    Time for the Puddy Gruber Report… Puddy will first venture to the ASSkissing network! NBC News finally acknowledged what they hid from their public viewership for the last five weeks! http://newsbusters.org/blogs/c.....fter-first

    Williams began the 2-minute-and-12-second segment by remarking that “it is unlikely that most Americans have heard the name Jonathan Gruber until a few weeks ago, when a video emerged of him insulting their intelligence.” His statement can be viewed as rather ironic, considering the fact that the viewers of his own program were kept in the dark on the ObamaCare architect, depriving them knowledge of the story until now.

    The segment, reported on by NBC News lead Capitol Hill correspondent Kelly O’Donnell, was rather thorough as it included O’Donnell attempting to personally interview Gruber and his lawyers as they left the hearing and declared that Gruber bucked the trend of most congressional witnesses have in that he, instead, “made things worse” for himself “during a four-hour public shaming.”

    Wow if NBC News think he screwed the pooch, it isn’t going too well for ObummerCare!

  41. 41

    Megyn Kelly destroyed Piers Morgan in the 9PM Eastern time slot. http://www.mrctv.org/videos/me.....ious-loser

    MORGAN: I’ve actually been watching your show.
    KELLY: Have you?
    MORGAN: Yeah, because I couldn’t do it before. I was up against you.
    KELLY: And so now, we are your selection at 9:00 p.m? MORGAN: I agree with a lot of what you say, which is a quite disturbing revelation.
    KELLY: Perhaps it’s not the brand you expected when you spent too much time at the Huffington Post.
    MORGAN: That may be true.

    Maybe there is hope for Piers after all!

  43. 43

    Did you know that in the dictionary Megan Kelly’s image appears to illustrate the definition of ‘bimbo’?

    Fascinating, eh?

  44. 44

    Does anyone see the irony and crocodile tears when cheap shot bob writes “I’m not so much talking about tanking the economy as I am about putting a lot of people out of work.” He revels when cabbies have their lively hood stolen , he revels with unions are broken, he revels with fast food workers get fired, but he cares about workers. Not a track record of that.
    “Cheap-labor conservatives don’t like the minimum wage, or other improvements in wages and working conditions.”

  45. 45

    Four hours Gruber was grilled by the most stupid of klownservatives. To what end? HAHAHAHAHA! Same end as Fast ‘N Furious, Solyndra, IRS, Beeeenghaaaaazi!!!! – NO END IN SIGHT…

    Only one grubasm in this thread.. Remarkable..

    In other news, not a single klownservative in the U.S. Senate rose to defend torture.. Oh but they said that making a report about it public would hurt national security.

    Any idiot here “rise” to the occasion?

    Oh yeah.. Some moron who will claim Leon Panetta said torture
    led to Osama getting whacked to his dying day.

    Funny that the report claims any information obtained from torture was also gleaned by other non-brutal means..

    Yawwwwn.. Klownservatives still suck.. They will ALWAYS SUCK!

  46. 46

    Btw 10 million people have quality health insurance that they couldn’t have gotten before the ACA..

    More are signing up every day.

    Nothing klownservatives can do about it for the next two years.. Oh but they’ll TRY – and make total asses of themselves.

    Sucks to be them.

  47. 47

    Now that a summary of the Senate torture report has been released, we know the moral pit that was the Bush administration did torture people, did lie about it, and it was even worse than we suspected.

    And what do Republicans say about it? They’re up in arms because the summary was released. Which makes me wonder what else they’re hiding from the light of day.

  48. 48

    Bob @33

    The problem with the PDF you are referring to is that it is covers the period of the financial crisis of 2007–08 which led to a global melt down of the entire world economy. In that kind of turmoil dealing in trillions of dollars how can anyone claim to measure the relationship between minimum wage increase and job loss/creation?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F.....E2%80%9308

    But even if there was a 0.7% job loss, I strongly suspect it would be of short duration. You give people at the bottom of the pile a pay increase, they spend it. That increases sales which creates more jobs and ultimately more that compensate for any short term job loss.

  49. 49

    Pardon Bush and Those Who Tortured

    BEFORE President George W. Bush left office, a group of conservatives lobbied the White House to grant pardons to the officials who had planned and authorized the United States torture program. My organization, the American Civil Liberties Union, found the proposal repugnant…

    But with the impending release of the report from the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, I have come to think that President Obama should issue pardons, after all — because it may be the only way to establish, once and for all, that torture is illegal.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12......html?_r=0

  50. 50

    @29

    Oh I’m just putting it here and asking the question….

    There’s a reason it came up for you today. The authors of the paper are pretty careful to highlight that they can’t say if the data correlation is due to the minimum wage or if the recession had a greater effect. It’s peppered through the paper:

    “The empirical literature is quite far from consensus, however, regarding the minimum wage’s potential contribution to these employment changes.”

    “We show graphically that the housing crisis was more severe in unbound states, potentially biasing our estimates towards zero.”

    “Demographic differences create the risk, however, that one might expect the employment trajectories of individuals in bound and unbound states to differ.”

    Just a few examples of the authors admitting that their analysis is not causation and that all things were not equal.

    But how is it playing in the right wing-o-sphere and by extension why you linked to it today? It’s not a case of you just, “why I asked, and did so in a hostile environment.”

    “Minimum-Wage Hikes Really Do Hurt Low-Skilled Workers and Reduce Mobility” National Review (see how they draw conclusions that the paper’s authors admit aren’t supported?)

    “Study: Minimum-wage hikes made the Great Recession worse for low-skill workers” American Enterprise Institute (see how they draw conclusions that the paper’s authors admit aren’t supported?)

    “New evidence that the minimum wage kills jobs.” Washington Examiner, one of our troll’s favorite “sources.” (see how they draw conclusions that the paper’s authors admit aren’t supported?)

  51. 51

    @35

    Word salad.

    Still trying to get to how encouraging young women to enter a male dominated well paid field is sexist. Still trying to figure out why telling young women they are just as capable as young men is sexist.

    “Thazza goood boy. like your ears scratched? O.K. now speak. Here’s your script. Arf, arf, arf, Biden is sexist. That’s a good boy. Beggin’ Strip?”

  52. 52

    @51

    Another nonsensical post from Mike Rogers best friend. Word salad is now your nom de guerre? Who claimed trying to get women into programming is sexist? Not Puddy! Who created a thread regaling how male programming gamers are hateful and anti-women misogynists? Not Puddy! Puddy did post how these “male gamer programming people” are DUMMOCRETIN. It was so easy to find their almost 9% goosestep frog march jack booted love for Obummer in both elections!

    You brought it up in post #5. Now you run away from it!

    checkmated again by FACTS! You need better sources!

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    Moron @43,

    Provide a link to this “fascinating” DUMMOCRETIN dictionary fact about Megyn Kelly? Jealous she’s so popular and factual, eh!

    Or is this another of your Ellen White type of masturbation fantasies?

    Sux to be you!

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    It’s very telling HA’s microminded midget @42 had nothing to say about Jay Williams and his 34 children by 17 different ladies. This is what destroys young black men and women. No cohesive family unit. And you wonder why Puddy always destroys the microminded one here on HA.

    There is nothing mentally upstairs between the ears. All its “knowledge” is acquire from visiting and hijacking commentary from left wrong libtard sites!

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    Some wonderful right minded person posted an NBC NEWS link providing the commentary of Leon Panetta saying torture assisted in getting Osama whacked.

    Fixed it with the truth! It wasn’t Puddy who claimed it, Panetta did you IDIOT!

    Obummer was publically demonizing those who lawfully approved the enhanced interrogation program, and it has undermined the intelligence community’s willingness to take future risks to protect your sorry arschloch. And with Obummer directing AG Holder to pursue multiple pointless Justice Department investigations against the CIA that John Brennan complained, Obama has undermined the intelligence community’s willingness to take future risks and exposed other countries to internal strife! Way to go Obummer!

    BTW here is another NBC News link microminded one… http://www.today.com/id/428804.....IhGREvTnmE

    Funny that the report claims any information obtained from torture was also gleaned by other non-brutal means..

    Thanks for PROVING Puddy correct again! It’s a Senate DUMMOCRETIN biased report! Not one CIA person was interviewed before Feinstein posted the report. Do you understand that? Wait a minute… IT has been posting since 2005 and not once has it acknowledge any reading comprehension on HA DUMMOCRETINS! The microminded one has no idea when it writes how truths find their way into its post against Puddy. God works in mysterious ways! And it’s amazing how every Congressional DUMMOCRETIN except Jane Harman said do it! Now DUMMOCRETINS are into revisionist history!

    Jose Rodriguez the former chief of the CIA’s National Clandestine Service talking to his fellow Association of Retired Intelligence Officers said: “I worry about the current and future generations of CIA leaders who will question whether the authority that they received from their president will last longer than one election cycle.”

    Dianne Feinstein, when confronted by CNN’s Wolf Blitzer got all indignant when he asked her if an innocent American dies from this report. Politics, plain and simple! DUMMOCRETINS lost the Senate so let’s make sure to put foreign nationals in harms way before we lose the majority! So why did Obummer’s sadministration put every American around the world on high alert? Hmmm…?

    Feed them milk and cookies and ask nicely, who is trying to attack America please, pretty please?

  56. 56

    From the floor statement of John McCain

    “Our enemies act without conscience. We must not. This executive summary of the Committee’s report makes clear that acting without conscience isn’t necessary, it isn’t even helpful, in winning this strange and long war we’re fighting. We should be grateful to have that truth affirmed.

    http://www.mccain.senate.gov/p.....8f984db996

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    At the conclusion of WWII we tried people who committed acts of torture, who claimed they were only doing their duty, what they were ordered to do.

    They were found guilty anyway. Some were executed, the others were locked up.

    Either we were wrong for punishing such actions then or we are wrong in not punishing it now. There is no middle ground.

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    John Brennan CIA DUMMOCRETIN head…

    “did produce intelligence that helped thwart attack plans, capture terrorists, and save lives” and…

    “The intelligence gained from the program, was critical to our understanding of al Qaeda and continues to inform our counterterrorism efforts to this day.”

    http://www.politico.com/story/.....html?ml=tb

    Yeah, John Brennan, DUMMOCRETIN head of the CIA, stomps and kicks the DUMMOCRETIN Senate report into the trash. Seems he disagrees with Obummer’s claim of every piece actionable intelligence came from Obummer blessed methods and techniques!

    Butt wait Bob Kerrey, a real DUMMOCRETIN Vietnam war hero (cue up the Medal of Honor Music…) has a really truthful opinion http://www.usatoday.com/story/...../20088647/

    I do not need to read the report to know that the Democratic staff alone wrote it. The Republicans checked out early when they determined that their counterparts started out with the premise that the CIA was guilty and then worked to prove it.

    When Congress created the intelligence committees in the 1970’s, the purpose was for people’s representatives to stand above the fray and render balanced judgments about this most sensitive aspect of national security. This committee departed from that high road and slipped into the same partisan mode that marks most of what happens on Capitol Hill these days.

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    At the conclusion of WWII we tried people who committed acts of torture, who claimed they were only doing their duty, what they were ordered to do.

    Slight problem with this argument… The US Justice Department gave it’s blessing. So did the DUMMOCRETIN leaders in Congress in 2002 except Jane Harman. WWII Investigators did not find any German governmental approval for the use of enhanced interrogation Techniques.

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    18 U.S. Code § 2340A – Torture

    (a) Offense.— Whoever outside the United States commits or attempts to commit torture shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both, and if death results to any person from conduct prohibited by this subsection, shall be punished by death or imprisoned for any term of years or for life.

    (b) Jurisdiction.— There is jurisdiction over the activity prohibited in subsection (a) if—

    (1) the alleged offender is a national of the United States; or

    (2) the alleged offender is present in the United States, irrespective of the nationality of the victim or alleged offender.

    (c) Conspiracy.— A person who conspires to commit an offense under this section shall be subject to the same penalties (other than the penalty of death) as the penalties prescribed for the offense, the commission of which was the object of the conspiracy.

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    @52

    I’ll just leave this here and ask again. How is encouraging young women to know they are capable and can do anything a man can do sexist or misogynist?

    No left wrong slobbering leftist DUMMOCRETIN msm asked Biden to apologize either! Joe BiteME is being Joe BiteME! Another typical msm double standard in action!

    DUMMOCRETINS are misogynist scum!

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    “The sad little man is at it again…nothing better to do I reckon.”

    Eh. I’ve stopped reading his posts.

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    The number of fucks I don’t give about whatever the puddyfuckwad thinks or writes is impossible to calculate.

    I do feel for the human being who plays the puddy character. Clearly he (she?) has ben demonically possessed by the character and is in dire need of an exorcism.

  64. 64

    “I’ve stopped reading his posts.”

    My wingnut decoder ring usually goes into overload with Puddy’s comments.

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