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DLBottlePlease join us tonight for some political punditry and populist pontification over a pint at the Seattle Chapter of Drinking Liberally.

We meet tonight and every Tuesday evening at the Roanoke Park Place Tavern, 2409 10th Ave E, Seattle. The starting time is 8:00 pm, but some folks show up before that for dinner.




Can’t make it to Seattle tonight? Check out one of the other DL meetings this week. Tonight the Tri-Cities and Shelton chapters also meet. The Lakewood chapter meets on Wednesday. On Thursday, the Tacoma chapter meets.

With 202 chapters of Living Liberally, including sixteen in Washington state, four in Oregon and three in Idaho, chances are excellent there’s a chapter meeting somewhere near you.

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  1. 1

    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/201.....od-stamps/

    Indiana Gov. Mike Pence: We’re ‘ennobling’ poor people by cutting off food stamps
    DAVID EDWARDS
    18 NOV 2014 AT 10:55 ET

    Indiana Gov. Mike Pence (R) explained on Tuesday that a new policy that could cut off food stamps for thousands of people in his state would be “ennobling” for poor people.

    The Indiana Family and Social Services Administration announced last month that beginning in 2015, it would no longer request a waiver to the federal work requirement for certain people who use the SNAP program. Up to 65,000 single Hoosiers could lose food stamp benefits unless they are working 20 hours a week or attending job training.

    ***snip***

    Think Progress pointed out last month that there were 2 million people in the Midwest seeking jobs, but only about a million jobs available. And that’s not counting the thousands of people who are no longer counted as unemployed because they gave up looking for a job.

    Advocates of the poor have argued that the state should solve the problem by creating programs to help jobless people before stripping their food stamp benefits.

    Maybe those 90 Keystone Pipeline jobs will help!!!!

    (Asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole.)

  4. 4

    http://www.salon.com/2014/11/1.....you_think/

    TUESDAY, NOV 18, 2014 08:45 AM PST
    GOP’s real “stupidity” scandal: Why the right’s Grubergate dishonesty is worse than you think
    In pushing new lies about an Obamacare advisor, it’s Republicans who count on “the stupidity of the American voter”
    JOAN WALSH

    This is a read that links to a longer read so the screaming loonie puddyfuckwad won’t be interested, but it’s the real story and it’s nuanced and interesting.

    I am as always impressed by the power and the persistence of the right-wing looney toon Republican noise machine.

    They can sell Sarah Palin. They can sell Mitt Romney. They can sell Snot Walker. They can sell Joni Ernst, Trey Gowdy, Ted Fucking Cruz and the dumbest man in American Politics, Rick Perry.

    Kudos.

    Wrake in the dough while wrecking the country. How patriotic.

    BIIIG OOOOOPS!!!

    I almost forgot the AWOL deserter cokehead idiot asswipe George Walker Bush. (whew!)

  5. 5

    @4 Last week, I wondered who the next rightwing tarbaby would be, now that Bergdahl and Hickox have dropped off the lynch mob’s radar. Answer: Gruber.

  6. 6

    Dante Atkins @DanteAtkins
    The emancipation proclamation was an Executive Order. Today’s Republican Party would call for impeaching Lincoln for race-based giveaways.
    Retweeted by Goldy

    Japanese internment was pursuant to executive order. It was issued, under some pressure, by a Democrat president. It wasn’t undone until after the following presidential election had taken place.

    http://www.history.com/this-da.....order-9066

    Pretty sure there is a better supportive argument to be made than pointing out one historic instance with a good outcome. Might require more than 140 characters, though.

  8. 8

    @ 6

    Goddammit. I attemped to correct to “WWII internment…” but was not successful.

  9. 9

    @ 7

    Yeah, it’s generally not a good thing to let the other side know what you’re up to. Such as tweeting throughout your day when you’re organizing a protest in Ferguson:

    Alexis @MusicOverPeople
    Follow
    Someone broke into my house…
    6:27 PM – 17 Nov 2014

  10. 10

    @1

    The CEO of TransCanada has agreed publicly with the Reuters report that only 50-90 permanent jobs will be gained by construction of Keystone XL. Better yet, those inderect jobs? Well the steel used for construction is already under contract….in India.

    This is republican math. Longshoreman who already have jobs will have jobs when the steel is unloaded so those people who are already employed will get jobs from Keystone construction. Railroad employees who are currently delivering goods all over the nation will now make a stop somewhere near the pipeline route so those workers who currently have jobs count as new jobs created by the pipeline.

    I’d provide a link for the video of TransCanada CEO Russ Gurling conceeding Reuter’s report on ABC News but the lack of links will let Piddles claim it never happened. And without a self-affirming ego boost of denial, Piddles might disappear.

    Now on to the notion that foreign oil piped to U.S. ports for sale to overseas buyers will decrease America’s dependence on foreign oil….

  11. 11

    When you read the rujaxoffallthetimebuttnuthinappears @ 4 Salon article it leaves out

    1) Obummer touted Gruber as one of his ideas man
    2) Obummer’s 2012 campaign touted the economic prowess of Gruber on their web site
    3) Obummer met with Gruber a few times
    4) Gruber went to the whitey house 19 times
    5) Nancy Pelosi touting Gruber’s economic prowess
    6) Harry Reid touting Gruber’s economic prowess
    7) If Gruber was so wrong why did UPenn and URI scrub his videos from their web sites?

    This is why the horse manure rujaxoffallthetimebuttnuthinappears posts is vacuous and barbaric!

  12. 12

    Meanwhile four Rabbis (3 were American citizens) were slaughtered by religion of peace terrorists in Israel and HA DUMMOCRETINS are

    1) Happy
    2) Cheering
    3) Feeling Great
    4) Sad
    5) The enemy of my enemy is my friend
    6) None of the above

  13. 13

    @ 12

    Maybe save it for later. It’s lunchtime – they’ve all gone out to get keffiyeh.

  14. 14

    Bowe Bergdahl? Where is the Army Final Report? Probably in the whitey house being redacted and massaged!

  17. 17

    The murders in that Jerusalem synagogue were grisly indeed but did the klownservative village idiot troll who endlessly worships the country that can do no wrong mention anything about this:

    The driver’s cousin, Dr. Mohammad Ramouni, told NBC News there was no way Yousef could have hanged himself. “He was beaten all over his body,” Mohammad Ramouni said. “I saw that myself.”

    Israeli Police spokesman Micky Rosenfeld said “it seemed” the driver — whose body was found late Sunday – had committed suicide. “There was no suspicion of criminal activity,” he told NBC News.

    http://www.nbcnews.com/storyli.....em-n249896

    Of course not.. He LOVES Palestinians “commiting suicide”!

  18. 18

    @ 16, 17

    I see you have brought your exclamation points to the playground with you today, YLB.

    They’re like Bugarri shoes, except you type them instead of wear them.

    Hey, I wanted to congratulate you on your side holding the governor’s office in CO, YLB.

    DENVER (CBS4) – Gov. John Hickenlooper said he’s willing to talk about the possibility of teachers carrying guns in Colorado schools.
    “I’m certainly open to that discussion,” he said during an interview with CBS4. “The ability of people to defend themselves in a world that increasingly looks chaotic (is important). There is not a parent in this state that doesn’t want to make sure we’re doing everything possible to make their kid safe.”
    Some state lawmakers have said that armed teachers might have prevented the shooting death of Arapahoe High School student Claire Davis nearly a year ago. That the governor would consider having the conversation draws a more centrist line.

    http://denver.cbslocal.com/201.....-teachers/

  21. 21

    Well Keystone looks dead for this round.

    In the meantime, republicans are already swinging at a potential horse corpse. According to WSJ reports and Bloomberg oil needs to be somewhere above $75/barrel to make shale oil profitable. Oil closed today at $75.64 meaning tapping all that oil in Canada is now barely worth doing. And the prognosticators suggest Russian recession which seems likely will push oil under $70.

    By the time the President gets a chance to veto the not jobs producing project, the oil may cost more to get out of the ground than it can be sold on the international market. The companies in the Bakkan oil field may be begging the President to veto in order to not further bust their investment in American shale oil.

    Drill Canada, Sell International..Pay Less?

  22. 22

    And why is the cost of getting the oil out of the ground changing checkmate?

    The Saudi’s are under pressure! Good! Less money for them.

    Man you are really stoooooooooooooooopid!

  23. 23

    @20,

    racist vomit covered deadtoad… You rent the car, pay for the gas, buy the food, etc… You drive, Puddy be in the front seat passenger side.

    Game?

  24. 24

    @ 21

    Yes, prices are falling. Yes, Landrieu is stuck at 59 yes votes and is begging for her political life today, according to your Reuters piece. Which must be painful to watch, I suppose. Or perhaps not.

    TransCanada still wants this because prices will not continue to fall indefinitely. From OPEC’s World Oil Outlook:

    OPEC Reference Basket price assumptions in the Reference Case
    Nominal prices
    $/b
    Real prices
    2013 $/b
    2015 110.0 105.7
    2020 110.0 95.4
    2025 123.9 96.9
    2030 139.6 98.5
    2035 157.3 100.0
    2040 177.4 101.6

    http://www.opec.org/opec_web/s.....OO2014.pdf

    So OPEC expects oil to remain above the price at which it’s reasonable to extract from oil sand/shale for a long, long time. The pipeline would require two years to construct, and things may be very different two years from now.

    Things to consider:

    1. For whatever reason Saudi Arabia is not cutting production, as would be expected in a falling-price market. What happens to prices if the Saudis revert to their norm?
    2. Oil price spikes such as that which worsened the economic crisis in 2008-9 would be less likely if there were a more broadly based supply.
    3. Halliburton apparently sees this price pullback as a buying opportunity

    http://time.com/3591185/hallib.....6-billion/

    and not as a threat. Why might that be?

    Obamacare is unpopular. Amnesty is unpopular. At some point there might be a reason for Democrats to get behind something that more of the public supports.

    If it takes a resumption of an oil-price climb, approval by the GOP-held House and Senate, and a plea by TeamHillary to compel Obama to sign something, so be it. A few more hits to the Democrat brand and it might possibly be either that or a veto override.

  25. 25

    @22

    Huh? So in order to keep oil profitable from shale, U.S. producers will need to slow production or else undercut their own profitability.

    I bet you thought this was a free-market economy?

    You only think about a single line item at a time don’t you? Multi-layered analysis is really beyond your scope?

  26. 26

    @24

    The biggest issue undercutting that argument. If Canadian shale comes online the Saudis will have to go to drastic cuts to prop up the price per barrel. But Saudi oil is much much cheaper to drill.

    The other action they could take is to do nothing. Let the price per Barrell hang at $70 for an extended period and see how many shale drillers are willing to go into bankruptcy hoping that the market will turn around. The Saudis can continue to earn profits even as low as $50/barrel and some analysts are predicting it may go that low in 2014. North American shale…not so much at $50.

    Of course republicans in Congress will push for greater tax incentives and maybe even outright subsidies to the oil sector to something something….free market…something…supply and demand…capitalism…something…socialism is bad for America but good for Oil….something.

  27. 27

    Oh checkmate…

    Stooooooooooooopid as evah. We become self sufficient. We control our own destiny. Something lost on libtards such as you. All the other oil producing nations will not have the US as their vanguard customer any more. The zero sum game from racist headless lucy changes!

    Too bad muli-level thinking is out of your realm unless you visit left wrong sites! And we all know the left wrong sites you love to visit!

  29. 29

    @ 26

    Thanks for the response.

    Let the price per Barrell hang at $70 for an extended period

    OK. Go back 40 years:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P.....e_1861.png

    See oil price hanging anywhere for very long?

    Now, add in a Middle East crisis. Any chance of a flow disruption out of there?

    Deep pockets can pump at a loss for a very long time, if they’re convinced it’s the right thing to do.

    I understand your point, I just cannot agree with it. I just don’t see this world becoming any more stable any time soon, and I think that oil prices will revert to reflecting that. Venezuela and Russia aren’t the most stable right now. The Middle East is a mess.

    Where should oil prices be? I don’t think they should be falling.

  30. 30

    @27

    Keystone will not help us be self sufficient. It is singularly designed to move foreign oil to the international commodities market. In the meantime any external costs (healthcare, spills, loss of farmland) will stay in America.

    Now stop and think about the cost of production. If the Chevron refinery in Richmond CA can receive raw crude from the middle east at $60/barrel shale producers will either need to produce at great loss to match that price or the U.S. Taxpayer will have to subsidize production in the Bakkan field to remain competitive. Or are you stupid (no 30 o’s required) enough to argue that U.S. based refiners will pay a premium for harder to refine domestic crude out of a sudden unprecedented outburst of patriotism?

  31. 31

    @24 Wow! If they can predict oil prices 24 years ahead, I want to get Superbowl scores from them, too!

  32. 32

    @27 You’re an idiot. The U.S. still imports 40% of its oil, and will continue to do so. Is the situation better? Yes. Are we energy independent? No, but most of our imports now come from Canada and Mexico, so we’re not at the mercy of OPEC or unstable countries like Nigeria and Libya anymore.

  33. 33

    Fracking costs vary among companies, but currently average around $62-$65. The most efficient frackers can stay in business with oil at $70 or $75, no problem. Plus, they’re getting more efficient, and a couple of the big frackers say they’ll have costs low enough to survive $50 oil in a year or so.

    Canadian oil sands is different. Their costs are around $65 and unlike the frackers they don’t have much prospect of being able to lower them. If oil goes to $60 or $50, they lose money, which means Keystone would have no oil to transport. Obviously, even if Keystone eventually gets approved, TransCanada won’t build it in a $50 or $60 oil market.

    Keystone might get another, and more successful, vote next year. But there are still hurdles to building it. Obama could veto it, and it’s very doubtful GOPers would round up enough Democratic senators to override. But even if Keystone were approved today, it still would be held up by route selection litigation in Nebraska courts, probably for another year or two.

  34. 34

    Pundits are divided on whether oil is bottoming in the $70s or will go lower. They’re divided over what’s causing the price decline, and how long it will last. My guess is it’ll eventually stabilize in the $80s or $90s, which is high enough to support U.S. fracking, and also high enough to support Canadian tar sands and Keystone.

    Keystone has nothing to do with Bakken or domestic fracked oil. It’s sole purpose is to transport Canadian tar sands oil to the Gulf coast for export. It’ll create a couple thousand temporary construction jobs for a couple years, and about 50 permanent jobs. (Pipelines are largely automated these days.) The type of local economic booms that accompany pipeline construction always disrupt the communities they go through. The high-paying construction jobs go to outsiders, transient oilfield and construction workers with relevant skills, not locals. What local communities mainly get from it is overwhelmed public services, housing shortages, and inflation.

  36. 36

    Low IQ monomaniacal moronic moonbat @ 35,

    The dig was at you IDIOT! “Short man look at me” syndrome is a perfect description of the low IQ monomaniacal moronic moonbat!

  38. 38

    Puddy doesn’t need anything to feel tall Low IQ monomaniacal moronic moonbat @ 37. Puddy has God in his life. That’s all one needs to be tall (well already over six feet) and to identify DUMMOCRETIN fecklessness.

    It’s you who need Puddy to live. Puddy PWNS you 24x7x365. You wish you had Puddy’s life instead of some low life chosen DUMMOCRETIN existence.

  39. 39

    Meanwhile Steve Rattner Obummer’s former Car Czar, Grubered Obummer… http://youtu.be/8Jr0yr6TTOA

    “I think if you go back to The Washington Post or The New York Times, or anything from that period, you will find Jonathan Gruber’s name all over it. … The problem is not that Gruber helped them put Obamacare together, because he was the man. The problem is what he’s said in the last two weeks, and how the White House has handled it.”

    Meanwhile the NY Slimes and New Republic… DUMMOCRETINS e-rags are in damage control mode. Except they forget Google works great for finding previously written pieces in 2012. – – – “After Mr. Gruber helped the administration put together the basic principles of the proposal, the White House lent him to Capitol Hill to help Congressional staff members draft the specifics of the legislation.”

    As Obummer claimed this ObummerCare bill was widely debated… why did you have to pass the bill to learn what’s in it? Hmmm…?

  40. 40

    Hmmm… rujaxoffallthetimebuttnuthinappears favorite charlatan preacher Al NotSoSharpton owed some very large tax bills. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11......html?_r=0

    Obscured in his ascent, however, has been his troubling financial past, which continues to shadow his present.

    Mr. Sharpton has regularly sidestepped the sorts of obligations most people see as inevitable, like taxes, rent and other bills. Records reviewed by The New York Times show more than $4.5 million in current state and federal tax liens against him and his for-profit businesses.

    PuddyCommentary: So rujaxoffallthetimebuttnuthinappears, here is one of your negro heroes. Still waiting for the Tawana Brawley apology to those three police officers who’s careers NotSoSharpton destroyed. NotSoSharpton is missing in action with the black scum who killed that white female Virginia university student in September. Yet nuthin from rujaxoffallthetimebuttnuthinappears ever condemning NotSoSharpton and his ways. Must be hero worship to rujaxoffallthetimebuttnuthinappears!

  44. 44

    Puddy doesn’t need anything to feel tall

    LMAO!!! After 42k+ comments it’s pretty obvious YOU NEED this website..

    And you need HA 70 percent of Saturday nights when it’s “back to the salt mines” time..

    And it’s no surprise you are a little more scarce on Sat nights since I pointed this FACT out..

    Poor troll. Those little blue pills from Wal-Mart are eating into the fambly budget. Kind of like the wife’s union dues. Sux to be you.

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