The Seattle Chapter of Drinking Liberally is “on tour,” searching for a new meeting location. The folks who showed up last week agreed to a list of places to try for the next month. We’ll visit a new place each week.
This week we meet at the Madrona Eatery and Ale House. Starting time is 8:00pm. I hope you can join us.
Can’t make it tonight? Check out another Washington state DL over the next week. The Tri-Cities and Shelton chapters also meet on Tuesday night. On Wednesday, the Bellingham and Burien chapters meet. And on Thursday, the Woodinville chapter meets.
With 213 chapters of Living Liberally, including eighteen in Washington state, four in Oregon, and three more in Idaho, chances are excellent there’s a chapter meeting near you.
Is Montlake Ale House kaput? Did they raise the cover charge? Did you get run out by a rightwing militia from Laurelhurst? Did the bus service on E. 23rd fold for lack of funding? Did metal thieves steal the bike rack out front? What’s going on? Montlake was fine for years.
Mrs Obummer likes Jane Fonda as being politically savvy. Vietnam War vets would disagree. Remember Fonda called Vietnam War veterans war criminals.
Wow Roger Dipshit is a war criminal…
Who knew?
Remember, Fonda has not apologized for going to North Vietnam while American heroes were being killed by schmucko-lunatic’s friends.
Roger Rabbit @ 1,
The place is closed. The business was purchased and is undergoing remodeling. We’ll try ’em when they open again, and see if we like ’em.
@2
40 some years later….
Explain to me the Christian concept of forgiveness. I think Christ demands it of you according to the Devine word of your holy book. But then you seem like many Christian I know.
“Pious, declare your faith in public never mind John 6.6, go to services. Wait, I’m supposed to live by this bible? Oh well, I’m a better Christian than you, for I go to church. I have no forgiveness and I don’t care that Christ warns as far as forgiveness for I am saved if I follow the parts I like.” Piddles, or words to that effect.
@2
Why yes, a small fraction of the 55+ voting block gives a rip about Hanoi Jane. To the modern Republican Party, bringing up 40 year-old controversy is a winning strategy. Too Damn funny.
Quick everyone who was under the age of five (roughly 70% of America.) when the Vietnam war ended., was the war in Vietnam good or bad for America.
Follow up, do you think those who protested the war in Vietnam were patriotic?
Lastly, if you knew a public figure protested the Vietnam war do you view them, more negatively, more positively, the same as you do now?
By all means, keep talking about Jane Fonda. Ever wonder why the right wing brand is DOA with voters under 40?
“Jane Fonda? Isn’t she like j-lo’s Mom?” Americans not age-eligible for AARP.
Former Governor Bob McDonnell of Virginia has been indicted. Jim and his wife have been charged with bribery, stemming from gifts from a friend and contributor, who had business with the Commonwealth of Virginia.
http://mobile.reuters.com/arti.....1?irpc=932
Turns out there is a third GOP Governor elected in 2009, that was also embroiled in a scandal. The Governor of the Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands, Benigno Fitial, and was impeached last year.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benigno_Fitial
Every time a rightwing nutjob starts frothing at the mouth complaining bitterly that conservatives should be able to say or do any thing they want without any consequence to them, demand that they also have to support the free speech rights of Jane Fonda, that she should have been able to say or do what ever she wanted, without consequences.
One of the reasons why Hanoi Jane was never indicted was because we were not at War with North Vietnam. It was a UN “Police Action” and no war was declared by Congress, therefore there was no legal basis to prosecute her. If she would have been prosecuted, that would have opened up the US to investigations of war crimes, by the laws that existed as written by the United States.
We butchered nearly 3 million Vietnamese, 2/3 of them civilians, on a political principle and to take the country for BF Goodrich who claimed ownership of nearly 12 million acres of land in Vietnam. Ngô Đình Diệm was assassinated by the CIA after he’d started talking about opposing those claims and returning the lands to the Vietnamese. It was exactly the same rationale as what happened in Chile in 1973. It just didn’t go the same way.
@2 “Wow Roger Dipshit is a war criminal…”
Yeah, but I get paid for that. The government sends me a check every month.
@3 I guess that means the end of the funky furniture and wall posters.
Armed Society Is Polite Society Dep’t
We’re 3-for-3 now — 3 campus shootings in 3 days. Today’s featured campus shooting is at the University of Oklahoma. No word yet on casualties.
@11 “We butchered nearly 3 million Vietnamese”
I recently saw a figure of 4 million. As I recall, that’s what some Vietnamese government official said.
@7 How soon they forget.
@Various: If the righties didn’t have a Jane Fonda scandal to milk, they’d manufacture one, as when they photoshopped John Kerry.
@2 Actually, putz, there weren’t any good guys in Vietnam. The civilians had a choice between a CIA-sponsored government or the Viet Cong. They were fucked either way.
Here’s a bone that puddibigot has gnawed on a bunch – divorce in the hyper-“religious” parts of the country, seems there are scientists on the case…
What did they find? Was it the conventional explanation that evangelical religions are popular where there is lots of poverty, and hence general social instability? No, in fact…
I’m sure the puddibigot will be along to inform us that it’s really all the fault of all those Democratic mayors throughout Dixie.
*EYE ROLL*
Caught the promo for Teen Mom on MTV. That should be required watching for all kids of child bearing age as a cautionary tale of how teen age pregnancy will make your life so much harder.
@17. It’s the fault of Obomacare and Bengazi. Duh!
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/.....10369.html
this may be why they are so terrified of gay people.
Florida Republican calls for hanging President Obama
Another hero for GOATBOY to worship.
If the RETHUGS think that minimum wage is such a good salary, then we should impose that on the REICH THINKING RETHUGS. And their saved up wealth should be reduced to match their new found financial reality. And no public dole for them either.
@21 In this country, any nutjob with no credentials can run for any public office, as long as he has a birth certificate and walks erect on two hind legs. No mental ability need be demonstrated. In fact, in some jurisdictions, an ability to think is considered by many voters to be a disqualification.
Southern Justice On Trial
The legal hearing taking place this week in Sumter, S.C., is noteworthy for the social divide it’s exposing — blacks on one side, whites on the other.
It was the whites who held sway back in 1944 when a white-run court system and an all-white jury put a 14-year-old black boy to death on the strength of nothing more than an alleged confession extracted from him by white police officers.
There’s no question that two young white girls were dead, or that someone killed them, by whacking their heads with a railroad spike. It can’t even be ruled out that the 14-year-old black kid did it, which is to say his innocence can’t be proved, because most of the case record and evidence has been lost or destroyed, and all of the key players in his sham trial are dead.
But the judge said at the outset that this week’s hearing to reopen the case isn’t about George Stinney Jr.’s guilt or innocence, it’s about whether he received a fair trial. And the conclusion is foregone, because to ask that question is to answer it.
Stinney’s appointed counsel, a local politician running for office, put on no defense whatsoever. He didn’t even question the cops to whom Stinney allegedly confessed. (Suggested question: “Did you beat him up?”)
The “trial” lasted only 3 hours. The jury deliberated only 10 minutes. In the South Carolina of 1944, white folks didn’t think twice about taking a human being’s life from him with a process like that, even if he was only 14 years old — if he was black.
Stinney received no support, moral or otherwise, from his family. They weren’t around. Before his trial began, they were run out of town by death threats. If you were a black family living in a small town in South Carolina in the 1940s and white folks told you they would kill you if you didn’t leave town, you took it seriously — because they meant it and would do it.
There’s no doubt the murders of those two girls scarred that little community. Some of the scars remain today. But even relatives of murder victims have an interest in the right person being caught and punished, because if the wrong person is punished, that means the perp is still out there and still a threat to others in the community.
Some have speculated the victims’ families knew who the “real killer” was but kept quiet, insinuating he was some prominent local white person. It has even been suggested the girls’ parents took hush money to keep quiet, which the victims’ surviving relatives angrily deny.
That’s beside the point. The problem is South Carolina’s legal system put a kid to death with nothing more than the flimsy pretense of due process that George Stinney received.
This week’s court hearing on a motion by lawyers arguing on Stinney’s behalf to reopen his case can’t give him his life back, but it can give him his postmortem reputation back. It can advance human rights by ruling that the “southern justice” of 1944 was wrong and right it by vacating Stinney’s conviction. That, of course, effectively declares his execution was a judicial lynching, because there’s no way to retry him and vacating his conviction will be tantamount to a legal exoneration.
The murdered girls’ sisters are bitterly opposed to the idea. They want everyone to “let it rest.” They convicted George Stinney in their own minds a lifetime ago, and their minds are closed to reason, justice, or the argument that Stinney was blamed for the deaths of their sisters by a flawed process — and by a deeply prejudiced society.
The people involved in this case aren’t deep thinkers. They’re the relatively uneducated members of a blue-collar community who don’t give much thought to idealistic or intellectual things. Two children were murdered, a suspect was convicted and executed, and as far as they’re concerned that’s the end of it. You can sort of understand their position from their point of view.
But they can’t be allowed to get away with it.
Even though George Stinney has been dead for 70 years, and no legal proceeding can bring him back, it is not George Stinney but “southern justice” that’s on trial this week; and the “southern justice” of the Jim Crow-era that railroaded countless blacks into the brutal southern prisons of that era, and no small number of them into the KKK South’s death chambers, should not get a free pass any more than surviving Nazi criminals should get a free pass simply because many years have passed and it’s old history now.
The judge’s ruling should simply say, “This wasn’t due process. No conviction obtained under process like this can stand.” That’s all she needs to say. Those words speak for themselves. Whether Stinney was innocent or guilty is beside the point. It is southern racism that’s on trial in Sumter, S.C. It is the question of whether racists can render a lynching legal and reputable by shoving it through a sham pretense of a judicial proceeding that’s on trial.
And that’s why Sumter’s small courthouse has been packed with people this week and national and international news media are covering this legal proceeding.
Puddy don’t have to explain or forgive nobody nuthin. Go ask Vietnam Vets for their forgiveness. Puddy reminding HA DUMMOCRETINS about history! Did you see Fonda’s latest comments?
Sux to be checkmate… Stoooooooooooooooopid as evah!
And you libtard DUMMOCRETINS scream all the time when conservatives make y’all look stooooooooooopid. Witness Guvnur Cuomo claiming conservatives need not live in NY.
Yeah right Fascist Pigsty… Once again not paying attention to anything worthwhile!
So OWS Fraggy, you saying the DUMMOCRATIC Preznits Kennedy and Johnson sent all those soldiers to death? War Crimes by DUMMOCRETINS?
Who knew?
Wow, DUMMOCRETIN Wendy Davis in Texas is imploding right now.
@26 “Witness Guvnur Cuomo claiming conservatives need not live in NY.”
So what? He doesn’t like rats, moles, or mosquitoes, either.
25-28 I see the Montlake Ale House toilet overflowed again.
@28 So what? It’s no big deal. You’re talking about a state whose governor is Rick Perry. It’s not like she’s running for governor of New Jersey.
“Puddy don’t have to explain or forgive nobody nuthin.”
So we can assume you’re a fake Christian or do I need to prove I know more about your holy book than you AGAIN?
A study of whether Wall Street analysts give better advice in good times or bad times concluded they give lousy advice all the time. (Economist magazine)
@28,
Wow, still not willing to tell us how much shit you sucked out of Rmoney’s ass.
Come clean shit sucker.
I was saving this one for after the MAC Title game, so it’s a little late. In San Francisco, the Peninsula Commute train, now known as CalTrain, turned 150 this year. It is the oldest commuter train,or as Southern Pacific called it, commute train, on the west coast. SOUNDER is almost 15.
http://www.caltrain.com/about/Caltrain150.html
In Los Angeles, the LACMTA has started construction of the Crenshaw line. This will be a North South line from the Green Line terminus in Redondo Beach, passing LAX, and continuing on to a connection with the just opened Expo line. It should provide some relief to the bBue line.
http://www.railwayage.com/inde.....channel=61
I meant Blue line.
Phase 2 of the Crenshaw line would have it continue to a link up with the Purple line subway.
Once again, Ann Coulter keeps it classy.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....50921.html
By her own logic, she really should take up heavy smoking.
BTW, would you work for Ann Coulter? What do you expect when are working for minimum wage for an abusive boss.
checkmate you DUMBASS… Jane Fonda attacked the Vietnam Veterans not Puddy so As Puddy wrote again so you can finally understand… Puddy don’t have to explain or forgive nobody nuthin.
Man you are one STOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPID DUMMOCRETIN! It’s between Vietnam Vets and Fonda. Too bad you are just a simpleton DUMMOCRETIN idiot!
Here is Roger DIPSHIT stooooooooooooopid stuff…
Must be the toilet is your mind Roger DIPSHIT!
Did meme the moron fart? Sure smells on the blog!