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Drinking Liberally — Seattle

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Don’t be caught off guard when Uncle Ernie unloads about Obama’s death panels and the U.N. coming for his guns. Please join us for an evening of politics and a pint at this evening’s Thanksgiving warm-up edition of the Seattle Chapter of Drinking Liberally.

We meet tonight and every Tuesday evening at the Montlake Ale House, 2307 24th Avenue E. Our normal starting time is 8:00pm.






Can’t make it tonight? Check out another Washington state DL over the next week. The Tri-Cities chapter meets tonight and every Tuesday night. The Bellingham and Burien chapters meet on Wednesday. And next Monday, the Yakima, South Bellevue and Olympia chapters meet.

With 212 chapters of Living Liberally, including eighteen in Washington state, four in Oregon, and three more in Idaho, chances are excellent there’s a chapter meeting near you.

Comments

  1. 1

    To hell with Uncle Ernie! Who cares if he’s rich? People like him don’t leave anything to relatives anyway.

  2. 2

    @ 1

    Actually, Uncle Earnie has been broke for years, ever since he shorted all that oil company stock in 99 and then put it all into Enron. He hasn’t told anyone this, he’s been working the credit game, living on his Social Security and the food bank, and still has his house. but he’s still on a tear about how Obama made the banks raise all their fees and shit to keep a bank account. Taxes are just outrageous these days.

    He’s always got something to say, and always has the best booze.

  3. 3

    Is this the DL tonight that teh puddibigot isn’t going to show up for because he’s so deeply hurt about Martin Bashir?

  4. 4

    So schmucko-lunatic… You completely agree with Martin Bashir and his disgusting comments?

    Do tell!

  5. 5

    Oh my… the end of this video (NHK Japan news story about the airborne spread of radioactivity) kind of scared me. (See the video that’s being shown in the video near the end wherein the cloud comes all the way across the Pacific and blankets the western U.S.)

    I’d heard rumor about radioactivity coming to the U.S. coast after the meltdown of three Fukushima reactors two and a half years ago, but I hadn’t realized that the radiation made it to the western U.S. in quantity.

    Nine days upwind of us and our children here in the Pacific Northwest, three nuclear reactors have melted down and are too hot for even robotic cameras to go into them, and they’re just now starting to remove the chemicals from the fourth.

    Just sayin’…

  11. 11

    Ahhh yes Puddy sees HA’s personal dummocretin admitting he loved it. Puddy hated it.

  12. 12

    @11 I haven’t seen it, but if you hate it, I’d probably like it. You know — stuff like peace, feeding the hungry, $15-an-hour jobs, universal health care, etc.

  13. 13

    Former BC Premier Gordon Campbell wanted to make the 2010 Olympics the greenest ones yet. One legacy, is the Canada Line in Vancouver, somewhat successful, another, the Fuel Cell buses in Whistler. Well, their days may be numbered. The agreement between BC Transit and the Resort Municipality of Whistler is that Whistler Transit(which BC Transit operates on Whistler’s behalf), is they keep them until 2014. Some are suggesting that if Victoria does not keep the funding coming, the buses could be replaced. Turns out that the Hydrogen is shipped in from Quebec. One opponent of this type of bus the union that represents BC Transit mechanics, saying the money could be used elsewhere.
    http://www.railforthevalley.co.....e-fizzles/

  15. 15

    Ahhh yes, Puddy sees schmucko-lunatic run like the coward schmucko-lunatic is.

    Bwaaaaaak bwaaaaaaaaaak bwaaaaaaaaak!

    Run Forrest Run!

    As always… It really sux to be you!

  16. 16

    Alex Baldwin’s comments upon PMSNBC firing him…

    “Martin Bashir’s on the air, and he made his comment on the air! I dispute half the comment I made… if I called him ‘cocksucking maggot’ or a ‘cocksucking motherfucker’… ‘faggot’ is not the word that came out of my mouth. That I know. But you’ve got the fundamentalist wing of gay advocacy—Rich Ferraro and Andrew Sullivan—they’re out there, they’ve got you. Rich Ferraro, this is probably one of his greatest triumphs. They killed my show. And I have to take some responsibility for that myself.”

    Slur a gay on the spur of the moment protecting your wife and child from a paparazzo or if it’s perceived KAAAAAABLLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMMMMMMOOOOOOOOOOOO! Slur someone like Sarah Palin from a teleprompter where it was thoughtlessly created, purposely typed, reviewed by a producer and then aired for all to hear… Cheered by DUMMOCRETINS around the world.

  17. 17

    When DUMMOCRETINS smell they really smell…

    Philippe Villers, the president of Families USA, serves as the Secretary and Treasurer of Board of a little-known group called the Herndon Alliance. The Herndon Alliance originated in Herndon, VA in 2005 and produced research the left used to sell the overhaul of the United States health care system and counteract opposition as the president was making a push for Obamacare. As Lachlan Markay of the Washington Free Beacon noted, they are credited with crafting President Obama’s, “If you like your health care plan, you can keep it” message, and are even backed with money from George Soros’ Open Society Institute.

    In 2009 Politico wrote, “When President Barack Obama says Americans can maintain their ‘choice’ of doctors and insurance plans, he is using a Herndon strategy for wringing fear out of a system overhaul.” They were also described as, “the most influential group in the health arena that the public has never heard of.”

    Wait for it… schmucko-lunatic will call this a teahaddist web site…

    5…
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  18. 18

    The best comment from above

    Their 501C3 status probably “sailed” through the IRS assessment office…because they [ahem] “do good work.” They’re probably cleaning some of the “soil” from their pants after “communication” with Mr. Obama and Ms. Jarrett since:

    “…they are credited with crafting President Obama’s, “If you like your health care plan, you can keep it” message, and are even backed with money from George Soros’ Open Society Institute.”

    It’s really all about giving U.S. citizens the “mushroom treatment” that progressives believe everyone, including supporters of the objectives of the Democratic party, must have; to be “ruled by their betters”; those “in the know.”

    Mushroom Treatment, defined: Keep someone in the dark and feed them B.S.

    PuddyCommentary: The Obummer Deception, coming to a movie theater near you is being acknlwledged by common Americans all over the fruited plain. As Obummer’s poll numbers plummet watch for the next set of power grabbing executive orders! Puddy calls it!

  20. 20

    @18

    More IRS paranoia. the Puddibigot just doesn’t get that Teabaggers, intent on political activities, which is of course their right, don’t get to do that at taxpayers’ expense.

    He has NEVER articulated an understanding that political activity precludes a group being tax exempt. He persists in the fiction that Romneybot lost because the Teahaddists were taxed, or rather, were not tax exempt.

    He doesn’t even get that he immediately defeats his own argument when he connects Romney’s loss to the IRS ruling on the so-called “Patriot” groups.

    Sheesh.

  21. 21

    Awwwwww…I just saw this…

    8. Puddybud – Back to the Original! spews:

    Where did schmucko-lunatic go?

    I am SO in his head.

  22. 22

    You completely agree with Martin Bashir and his disgusting comments?

    You mean the part where he said that Palin was…

    America’s “resident dunce” and a “world class idiot”

    or references to her “rank ignorance”?

    Absolutely I agree with that. Palin is both evil and stupid, and she grifts the marks, like you, relentlessly. She is a force for ignorance and darkness. Her first shot, to which Bashir over-reacted, comparing national debt to slavery was profoundly wrong, and cheapened the horror of slavery, as she cheapens everything she touches. Why aren’t you horrified at that?

    Because you, like the entirety of the right, are a professional victim, constantly seeing monsters under your bed, constantly in fear of those you hate (who are legion), constantly trying to silence voices you fear and loathe.

    You are congenitally unable to make any statement other than cheap, recycled pot-shots that you heard on WND or Breitbard, or even Time or CNN, wherever. You are unable to make any sort of affirmative statement, any semblance of a positive argument for what you’re for, any statement of vision other than that of your Sky-Daddy coming down to smite your enemies.

    You, like the rest of the Teahaddist right, are defined by tribe and fear, and know only what you hate – you are unfit for self-government or participatory democracy – dangerous little know-nothing pawns in the service of what you think is theocracy, but is in fact plutocracy, and you’re building your own cages.

  23. 23

    Puddy always wondered about the high incidence of HA DUMMOCRETINS being professors at UW on this site.

    Last spring, scientists published a study performed at the University of Washington in which adult volunteers completed a survey about their eating and drinking habits before age 16. A week later, they were given personalized analyses of their answers that stated—falsely—that they had gotten sick from rum or vodka as a teen. One in five not only didn’t notice the lie, but also recalled false memories about it and rated that beverage as less desirable than they had before.

    Hmmm… Planting false memories… HA DUMMOCRETINS in action!

  24. 24

    schmucko-lunatic… You didn’t answer the question. Try again… You completely agree with Martin Bashir and his disgusting comments?

  25. 25

    @16

    the puddibigot obviously thinks it’s a lesser evil to reflexively use homophobic slurs, recurrently, than to make a considered but tone-deaf attack on a remorseless political operative who herself was offensively cheapening the horrors of racism and slavery for her own advantage.

    Says a lot about the puddibigot’s ‘morals’, or lack thereof.

  26. 26

    the puddibigot obviously thinks it’s a lesser evil to reflexively use homophobic slurs, recurrently, than to make a considered but tone-deaf attack on a remorseless political operative who herself was offensively cheapening the horrors of racism and slavery for her own advantage.

    There goes schmucko-lunatic again… Making up shit never written or thought of…

    Delusions are strong in that one! Proves to all schmucko-lunatic has no morals whatsoever!

  27. 27

    @17

    Hmmm…Teaheadist?

    Your excerpt quotes Washington Free Beacon, “Dedicated to uncovering the stories that the professional left hopes will never see the light of day” the bastion of unbiased opinion and name checks George Soros ’cause….BOOO! Scary, Scary George Soros. (At the mention of Soros, Puddles obediently sits and salivates waiting for his treat.)

    Just yesterday…

    Dayum:

    Daily Kooks
    TlakingPointsMoron
    MediaMorons
    PMSNBC

  28. 28

    Hmmm…Teaheadist?

    Facts really bother HA DUMMOCRETINS like checkmate, so they always attack the source. Of course to an HA DUMMOCRETIN only left wrong sites are to be trusted with their slanted views!

    In that one Saul Alinsky lives. Rock on checkmate!

    checkmated again!

  29. 29

    @17

    schmucko-lunatic will call this a teahaddist web site…

    You think you inoculate yourself from criticism by writing that, or the cutsie, “Wait for it…” or the countdown – whatever.

    Your website is promoting James O’Keefe videos, NRA TEEVEE shows, and has a story about a BLACK GUY CARRYING A CONCEALED GUN!!!!

    Yes, it’s a Teahaddist site, and no, it has no credibility other than for comic value.

    By making your prediction that I would criticize your source, you may have achieved something you’ve never done before….made a factually correct statement. Congratulations.

  30. 30

    Watch for the next installment of schmucko-lunatic loonacy after this truthful link.

    1) Obummer heckler at The Won’s pro-amnesty speech in San Francisco was an approved guest of the OutHouse
    2) He overstayed his visitor’s visa
    3) He’s a liar
    4) He’s upfront about being an illegal
    5) Was blessed by the unconstitutional administrative Dream Act. When does a DUMMOCRETIN ever follow the law?

    Now we know why Ju Hong was not booted out by the Secret Service.

    Wait for it… schmucko-lunatic loonacy in

    5…
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  31. 31

    it has no credibility

    Facts are Facts schmucko-lunatic…

    Deal with it. Those sites are deeply connected to Obummer and ObummerCare. Notice no one has refuted the story so far schmucko-lunatic.

    As always… It really sux to be you!

  32. 32

    Of course Politico.. one of the well known DUMMOCRETIN leftist leaning sites is Teahaddist…

    In 2009 Politico wrote, “When President Barack Obama says Americans can maintain their ‘choice’ of doctors and insurance plans, he is using a Herndon strategy for wringing fear out of a system overhaul.” They were also described as, “the most influential group in the health arena that the public has never heard of.”

    schmucko-lunatic’s shtick is so smarmy. Full of smegma!

    As always… It really sux to be you!

  33. 33

    Just yesterday…

    Dayum:

    Daily Kooks
    TlakingPointsMoron
    MediaMorons
    PMSNBC

    Hmmm….who’s this Alinsky fellow?

  34. 34

    Just for laughs…

    Ford issued it’s FIFTH recall for the ESCAPE SUV for issues related to them catching on fire. (Seven recalls total for various ESCAPE issues.)

    Clearly it’s Tesla’s fault.

  35. 35

    @30 QUICK!! CHANGE THE SUBJECT!!

    So, puddibigot, when are you going to guve us that ringing endorsement of a specific right-wing medical system plan, and explain how it’s going to help solve the nation’s problems, and assist ordinary working Americans?

    I won’t give a cutsie countdown like you do, because you’ll never answer the simple question I’m asking. Never. Ever.

  36. 36

    “”Ahhh yes Puddy sees HA’s personal dummocretin admitting he loved it. Puddy hated it.”

    but not nearly as much as Puddy hates himself

  37. 37

    Why is the puddibigot, @17 and @32, posting the same 4 year old Politico quote about a Democratic messaging group?

    Squid ink, anyone?

  39. 39

    The puddibigot is taking issue with me saying this…

    the puddibigot obviously thinks it’s a lesser evil to reflexively use homophobic slurs, recurrently, than to make a considered but tone-deaf attack on a remorseless political operative who herself was offensively cheapening the horrors of racism and slavery for her own advantage.

    He says, as he often does when he want to disown something outrageous he’s written…

    Making up shit never written or thought of…

    But just above that, he wrote this, now indelibly….

    Slur a gay on the spur of the moment protecting your wife and child from a paparazzo or if it’s perceived KAAAAAABLLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMMMMMMOOOOOOOOOOOO! Slur someone like Sarah Palin from a teleprompter where it was thoughtlessly created, purposely typed, reviewed by a producer and then aired for all to hear… Cheered by DUMMOCRETINS around the world.

    Yup, it seems in the puddiverse it A-OK to “slur a gay on the spur of the moment”, but attacking Sarah Palin, now that’s outrageous!

    Yes, I stand by what I wrote. But we all already knew that the ‘person’ playing puddybud is a bigot of the first magnitude.

  40. 40

    @37

    Because it came up on Freedomworks, World Net Daily and Free Beacon on the same day this week. Right-o-sphere circle jerk quoting each other as usual.

    Piddles figured if he waited another couple days before reposting we wouldn’t continue to notice that he hasn’t had an original thought in getting near a decade on HA.

  41. 41

    I think it’s about time Piddles got a little history.

    Ridicule, according to Piddles who read it in the right-o-sphere and swallowed it whole is typical Alinsky tactics and the source of all political activism for leftists is Alinsky. Here Alinsky substitutes for Soros as the right wing red herring/boogeyman. Ridicule is here dismissed as “attacking the source.”

    Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus.

    Thomas Jeffeson, July 1816″

    But the notion of political ridicule MUST originate with Alinsky because to the small minded Alinsky is the originator of the tactic.

    Right Piddles? Is Alinsky following the model of Thomas Jefferson…gasp…a founding father?

    I could cite many more form Paine, Adams, Franklin etc but actual history would make a simpleton like Piddles hurt himself.

  42. 42

    Finally read one of the most stupid comments ever written by schmucko-lunatic…

    You are congenitally unable to make any statement other than cheap, recycled pot-shots that you heard on WND or Breitbard,

    From the DUMMOCRETIN moron who claims Politico, NY Times CNN, ABC, and even NBC are Teahhadist web sites.

    Facts screw up that single cell amoeba called schmucko-lunatic’s brain!

  43. 43

    Hmmm….who’s this Alinsky fellow?

    Dayum most moronic comment of the day. Satire…? Naaah checkmate doesn’t know satire!

    Laughing at chckmate. 24x7x365.25

    checkmate again!

  44. 44

    “slur a gay on the spur of the moment”

    Once again schmucko-lunatic gets it dead wrong. Did you read what Alex Baldwin said…

    Of course not… that would explode the pathetic schmucko-lunatic argument!

  45. 45

    Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions.

    Except the propositions are clear as filtered water checkmate. Facts are facts.

    Your loonacy is stunning checkmate.

    checkmate again!

  46. 46

    “slur a gay on the spur of the moment”

    PMSNBC’s actions speaks louder than anything schmucko-lunatic!

    Deflect all you want schmucko-lunatic! They fired Alex Baldwin while Martin Bashir is still employed!

    As always… It really sux to be you!

  47. 47

    “”Ahhh yes Puddy sees HA’s personal dummocretin admitting he loved it. Puddy hated it.”

    but not nearly as much as Puddy hates himself

    Puddy isn’t narcissistic like most HA DUMMOCRETINS. Puddy doesn’t hate himself and Puddy isn’t narcissistic like most HA DUMMOCRETINS claiming to love Puddyself.

    Thanks for playing dummocretin.

    Another HA DUMMOCRETIN cheering Martin Bashir!

  48. 48

    “Puddy doesn’t hate himself and Puddy isn’t narcissistic like most HA DUMMOCRETINS claiming to love Puddyself.”

    Really? Keep telling your Puddyself that.

    Thanks for being a loser

  49. 49

    Oh my… Clinton News Network is down

    Oh my… PMSNBC is down

    Friday Night Comix runs to PMSNBC. Maybe their demo comes from Seattle!

  51. 51

    Thanks for being a loser

    Projection is strong in this DUMMOCRETIN! Psych 101 anyone

  52. 52

    happy… Facts hurt! Sux to be you!

    Do you agree with the whole Martin Bashir comment like your fellow HA DUMMOCRETINS?

  53. 53

    Please everyone: ignore the troll in this thread..

    If he isn’t fed, he’ll begin to starve and go elsewhere to feed by heaping abuse on others.

  54. 54

    Oh my… Is this true in Seattle

    Study: Having daughters makes parents more likely to be Republican

    Must be something in the King/Pierce/Snohomish Counties water to counteract this…

  55. 55

    Poor happy… The typical HA DUMMOCRETIN…

    Can’t stand facts
    Lives on left wrong sites
    Brown shirted jackbooted goose stepping DUMMOCRETIN
    Thinks Obummer is still The Won
    Thinks Obummer is still “the messiah”

    Need Puddy say more?

    Sux to be “happy”. Natural enemy of facts!

  56. 56

    Dayum… The Obummercare web site won’t be ready as promised.

    White House officials, fearful that the federal health care website may again be overwhelmed this weekend, have urged their allies to hold back enrollment efforts so the insurance marketplace does not collapse under a crush of new users.

    Why the wait…? It was promised to be ready 11-30-2013.

    Oh butt wait… It’s another Teahaddist website!

  57. 57

    Over on Stefan’s pathetic little blog, Miller Pudge & Co. are acting like Seattle voters didn’t know they were electing a socialist to the city council. As they see it, the candidate hid her extremist views, otherwise people never would have voted her in. Any other explanation is inexplicable to them. Hmmm. Well, that “nonpartisan” label they treasured so much, and tried using to sneak a conservative stealth candidate into the county executive job, is a real bitch when it bites them in the ass, isn’t it?

  58. 58

    @45

    And there it is, the standard Puddybud tell.

    When confronted with a post that he can’t refute, he drops the Ebonics Schtick and types a sentence that at a glance appears intelligent, reasoned, grammatically correct, and lucid but on rudimentary scrutiny says nothing.

    With a language as rich in vocabulary as English at his disposal it is truly a wonder to see how Piddles can string together a handful of those words in such a way as to suck all life from them.

    But why call it Alinsky? Well aside from attacking the source, an I’m rubber you’re glue argument if you will, to small-minded conservatives to call someone or something Alinsky is the dog whistle in which they all understand the self evident legend of Alinsky as some Rasputinesque all consuming evil.

    It’s the code language of the new millennium conservative in which anything associated with regulating food safety or organizing workers in the 1930s to social organization of the 60s is inherently anti-American.

  59. 59

    @56 Puddy, having lost twice to a Kenyan socialist with a forged birth certificate who pals around with terrorists, I think you guys need to retool your vision and message. I mean, how bad do you have to be to earn that kind of rejection? All of you conservatives and Republicans need to look at yourselves in the mirror, and try to figure out what you’re doing that’s so repulsive to voters. That’s merely my humble suggestion, and you don’t have to follow it, of course. You losers can keep right on losing, if you wish. That’s fine with me, too.

  60. 60

    I think Republicans are badly misreading the situation. Yeah, holiday flying is a major pain, but that doesn’t mean families will stop getting together for Thanksgiving, or prefer driving to flying. Likewise, Obamacare’s rollout has problems (we all know that; no need to keep banging on the garbage can lid), but that doesn’t mean the public wants to go back to the old system of pre-existing condition exclusions, arbitrary claim denials, insurance company death panels, and the ever-present threat of medical bankruptcy. Most people would rather have fucked-up holiday air travel than no travel, and fucked-up healthcare reform than no health care. Something is always better than nothing, and you can always work to smooth things out as you go along — that’s how most things get done, most of the time. If we listened to conservatives, we’d still be living in caves, and spending this holiday week with growling stomachs and chipping away at stones to make spear points. That’s why Obamacare’s startup pains won’t turn into electoral victories for those who want to lead us backward to the 19th century. Voters aren’t going to hand over our government to people who wouldn’t know what to do with a government if they got one. We’ve already been down that road, and we’ve seen it doesn’t work.

  61. 61

    When confronted with a post that he can’t refute, he drops the Ebonics Schtick and types a sentence that at a glance appears intelligent, reasoned, grammatically correct, and lucid but on rudimentary scrutiny says nothing.

    checkmate, you haven’t refuted anything placed in this thread by Puddy. All you have is your insipid swill. What fact can you refute. You’ve had all morning!

    EPIC FAYLE Your Honor!

    Duly Noted!

  62. 62

    @62 “you haven’t refuted anything placed in this thread by Puddy”

    This alone shows how completely out of touch with reality you are.

  64. 64

    Your Obummercare argument DUMB SENILE and LUNATIC Wabbit falls flat on it’s face. Obummercare has NEVER received the majority of the American populace. You can visit Gallup and see it once topped out around 48% approval! Back in 2011 more peeps wanted to Repeal Obummercare before they knew it sucked so bad in real life. Premonitions? Could be!

    Another utterly unimportant comment by the DUMB SENILE and LUNATIC Wabbit

  65. 65

    BTW DUMB SENILE and LUNATIC Wabbit, 61% of peeps now predict ObummerCare will drive up their insurance costs!

    Waytovote libtardos!

  67. 67

    In case you’ve never heard it before, @64 is what the desperate heehawing of a drowning jackass sounds like.

  68. 68

    Wow Obummer getting really desperate!

    Oh no Puddy went to a Teahaddist web site. Are you “happy”?

    happy – what a moron! Sux to be “happy@53”!

    Puddy would say Happy Thanksgiving but “happy@53” would complain!

  69. 69

    @64 If that’s so, why did your party lose the 2012 elections?

    Multiple factors all enumerated previously by Puddy on HA DUMMOCRETINS!

    Pay attention!

  70. 70

    In case you’ve never heard it before, @60 is what the desperate heehawing of a drowning jackass sounds like.

    Corrected. Visit Gallup and you’ll see why! 80+% of Americans were VERY HAPPY with their healthcare before Obummercare!

  72. 72

    @70 “80+% of Americans were VERY HAPPY with their healthcare before Obummercare!”

    I can’t stop laughing! =:D-<

  73. 73

    One of the reasons that’s so funny is that government pays for more than half of the health care.

  74. 74

    Unsung Heroes Dep’t

    A Pizza Hut manager who refused to make his employees work on Thanksgiving has been fired.

    http://www.nbcnews.com/busines.....2D11665028

    Reminds me of a news story a few years ago about a guy who saved kids from a burning house, which made him late to work, so his boss fired him for being late.

    I’m not saying all bosses are jerks who can’t see beyond a dollar sign. I’m just saying if you’re a capitalist who lives off the fat of the land and thus don’t need a job, you won’t have to put up with such shit.

  76. 76

    I can’t stop laughing! =:D-<

    Because you choose not to visit Gallup and have your laugh shut up!

  77. 77

    When we finished Thanksgiving shopping at Safeway, we found we had earned a 30 cent a gallon discount..

    So we filled up the tank for $2.85 per gallon. I can’t remember when I was last able to do that.

    I suppose the trolls here give the Republicans and the Tea Party credit for this and everytime the price spikes blame liberals and the Democrats.

  78. 78

    “What would happen if we unveiled a program that looked like Obamacare, in a place that looked like America, but with competent project management that produced a working website?

    Well, your wish is granted. Ladies and gentlemen, I give you California.

    Now, California isn’t the only place where Obamacare is looking pretty good. A number of states that are running their own online health exchanges instead of relying on HealthCare.gov are doing well. Kentucky’s Kynect is a huge success; so is Access Health CT in Connecticut. New York is doing O.K. And we shouldn’t forget that Massachusetts has had an Obamacare-like program since 2006, put into effect by a guy named Mitt Romney. ”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11.....-come.html

    If the Affordable Care Act can work in the places described above, it can work everywhere. Why are the rabid dog conservatives so desperate to return to the days when so many Americans were at the mercy of the insurance companies’ insatiable hunger for quarterly profits? It’s unconscionable.

  79. 79

    I suppose the trolls here give the Republicans and the Tea Party credit for this and everytime the price spikes blame liberals and the Democrats.

    Well “happy” if you were here when GW Bush was president, you’d remember the oil vitriol from most HA DUMMOCRETINS. Butt then again you haven’t expressed any brain power here.

  80. 80

    Wow, Krugman brings up California… Why did he skip over 56% of Obummercare enrollees were 45 to 64, even though that age group represents only 25% of the state’s population? Why did Krugman skip over the 1,000,000+ who lost their favorite insurance plans Obummer claimed they could keep? Why didn’t Krugman address the almost 31,000 peeps who called Dianne Feinstein by Nov 10th complaining their CA Obummercare insurance INCREASED in cost and offered inferior plans?

    Amazing how Krugman skipped over Vermont and their Social Security breach.

    Officials overseeing the Vermont Health Connect website confirmed Friday there was a security breach on the system last month in which one user got improper access to another user’s Social Security number and other data.

    Or somehow Krugman skipped over the Minnesota Social Security breach!

    Months after sending 2,400 Social Security numbers to the wrong person, an audit of the Minnesota Obamacare exchange, MNsure, found that it lacked any proper security and privacy measures.

    Krugman talked about Oregon but didn’t talk about the Social Security Breach.

    Valarie Henderson, a 55-year-old from Salem, received other consumers’ information in the mail last week, including birth dates, income, and Social Security.

    She had sent in her own 19-page application roughly a month ago—the website, which has suffered a series of technical setbacks, doesn’t allow users to apply through an online portal, so consumers must attempt to submit a paper application through the mail or fax. On Wednesday, she received a packet from the exchange which contained her information as well as the information of several other people.

    Or how security is not in Obummercare…

    Despite the fact that the government spent hundreds of millions of dollars on the federal Obamacare online exchange, Healthcare.gov is not only glitch- and crash-prone, it’s ripe for identity theft by hackers.

    A panel of IT experts testified recently before a House committee to inform Americans that they should not be using the website, because the potential for loss of their personal identity and information is just too great.

    And “happy” why didn’t Krugman mention Massachusetts had to implement “rigid state-mandated price controls on health care.” And things that Krugman will not tell the world…

    – Romney vetoed the employer mandate. Mass DUMMOCRETINS overrode his veto. Price controls.
    – Romney wanted individuals to buy inexpensive catastrophic insurance. Mass DUMMOCRETINS made individuals purchase costly comprehensive plans. Price controls.
    – Romney wanted multiple insurance choices for Mass small businesses. Mass DUMMOCRETINS only allowed three choices. Price controls.

    Somehow all those FACTUAL differences weren’t discussed by Krugman. Nothing new here from Krugman. He never delivers all the real truth.

  83. 83

    @76 Care to provide an actual link to a real poll that shows 80% of Americans want the old health care system back? The one where you don’t get insurance if you have a pre-existing condition, claims are arbitrarily denied, and medical expenses are the leading cause of individual bankruptcies? Yeah, I’m sure you can prove 80% of Americans support that — on Newsmax, maybe, or some other wingnut fantasy site, but I doubt you can find a real poll to back up your ludicrous assertion.

  84. 84

    Obamacare’s launch is a clusterfuck, but that doesn’t mean people want Wingnut Healthcare; it means they want it to WORK. What’s so hard about comprehending that?? For a supposed IT expert, you sure are dense.

  85. 85

    78) Switzerland has an individual mandate to buy health insurance. It was well debated in the Federal Palace in Bern, both houses of the parliament and the iederal Council(Switzerland’s collective presidency), and had one repeal vote, after the Swiss people weighed in, even opponents got on board. No cantons tried to opt out. The Swiss law is similar by ma n dating the purchase of private health insurance, but different, because basic health insurance cannot be sold for profit, but supplemental policies can.

  86. 86

    Germany may be close to having a government. The Christian Democratic Union/Christian Social Union blic was 4 seats short of an outright majority. The liberal Free Democrats, the usual coalition partner, was qiped out in the election. The Greens dropped out of talks, leaving only the Social Democrats. They drove a hard bargain, compromises were made, and the deal has to be approved by Social Democrats members.
    http://m.dw.de/english/mobile.A-17257444-9097.html

    One compromise from the CDU, a minimum wage, which Germany does not have, of €8.50 per hour.

  87. 87

    @76 Care to provide an actual link to a real poll that shows 80% of Americans want the old health care system back?

    Who said “80% of Americans want the old health care system back”? That’s not what Puddy wrote SENILE Wabbit!

    Good try at twisting what Puddy wrote!

  88. 88

    Obamacare’s launch is a clusterfuck, but that doesn’t mean people want Wingnut Healthcare; it means they want it to WORK. What’s so hard about comprehending that?? For a supposed IT expert, you sure are dense.

    No SENILE DUMBASS and LUNATIC Wabbit… show Puddy where Obummercare has passed the 50% approval mark. Puddy already proved the factual PuddyPoint above. You got nuthin cuz you can’t handle the truth!

  89. 89

    @80 Oh shut up, and get out of the way; I have more important things to talk about, see #81.

    Facts drive DUMMOCRETINS crazy!

  90. 90

    Happy Thanksgiving from Lancaster PA!

    I rode out here on packed Amtrak train from Philly yesterday. There must be a lot of commies, hippies, and gays around here. Everyone knows, only commies, hippies, and gays ride trains.

    Real Americans sit in cars stuck in traffic jams.

  91. 91

    – Romney vetoed the employer mandate. Mass DUMMOCRETINS overrode his veto. Price controls.
    – Romney wanted individuals to buy inexpensive catastrophic insurance. Mass DUMMOCRETINS made individuals purchase costly comprehensive plans. Price controls.
    – Romney wanted multiple insurance choices for Mass small businesses. Mass DUMMOCRETINS only allowed three choices. Price controls.

    Makes me very glad we don’t have President Romney. BTW, how is the Massachusetts economy? How is access to medical care in Massachusetts? (Answer: good, but could be a lot better, particularly with a Medicare-for-all plan) How about disparities among the underserved? Wow, mandated quality health insurance is good for underserved Latino populations – no wonder Republicans hate the notion.

    So, while serious people try to solve problems, and thoughtful people debate those ideas here and elsewhere, we have nitwits like the puddibigot screeching “PRICE CONTROLS!!” as if it were some sort of prayer, a bizarre form of speaking-in-tongues.

  92. 92

    Hey puddibigot….when are you going to post the details of the plan you would support to solve the same problems the ACA does? What are the details? Why do you like it?

    Is it the Ryan plan you mentioned? The Broun plan? Price plan? Could you compare and contrast the right-wing alternatives to Obamacare, the ones that would insure and provide access to similar proportion of people? Could you give us an affirmative argument for the plan you like, so that we could have a spirited conversation about which direction is better for the country?

  93. 93

    I find it laughable that the puddibigot is trying to rebut Krugman with a series of N=1 anecdotes, and a story about “IT experts” that he cribbed from a website whose first story is about the evils of fluoridated water.

    puddibigot still seems to suffer under the misapprehension that if he creates a post with a bunch of links, it will will seem persuasive.

    Moron.

  94. 94

    Someone should explain to the puddibigot that the singular of ‘data’ is ‘datum’, and that the plural of ‘anecdote’ is ‘anecdotes’.

  95. 95

    Here’s more excellent Krugman…

    Obamacare will turn into a Benghazi-type affair where Republicans are screaming about a scandal nobody else cares about.

    Let’s take bets on when this happens. How do we define the threshold?

  96. 96

    I just want to repost a puddibigot post from above, @8…

    8. Puddybud – Back to the Original! spews:

    Where did schmucko-lunatic go?

    First, I am SO in his head!! BWAAHAHAHA!
    And second, I LOVE the fact that I shamed him into changing his sig line, and taking his bigotry back to his hate closet!

    HAPPY THANKSGIVING!

  97. 97

    puddibigot said he likes poll numbers…

    As CNN noted, this means that 54 percent either support the Affordable Care Act or believe it isn’t liberal enough.

  99. 99

    The haters in the old Confederacy lose another one….

    SAN ANTONIO (AP) — The Texas National Guard will immediately begin letting same-sex couples register for benefits after the Defense Department approved a new procedure for enrolling National Guard members and their dependents for benefits.

    “We’re going to go back to business as usual. It will be full service,” Lt. Col. Joanne MacGregor, a Texas Guard spokeswoman, told the San Antonio Express-News, referring to the decision that came late Tuesday.

    Of course, as with the first Civil War, it took Union personnel to secure these freedoms for the deserving Americans that were the victims of the Southerners.

  100. 100

    First, I am SO in his head!! BWAAHAHAHA!
    And second, I LOVE the fact that I shamed him into changing his sig line, and taking his bigotry back to his hate closet!

    Once again schmucko-moron has it wrong wrong wrong…

    schmucko-lunatic made seven posts this morning… 91-97, six of them were against Puddy.

    Now who has whom freely lurking in their minds? Once again schmucko-lunatic is a laughable idiot…

    We who think right are cracking up ROTFLRHOBO over schmucko-lunatic!

  101. 101

    CNN/ORC poll schmucko-lunatic?

    Pulled from TPM schmucko-lunatic? You wake up in the morning and immediately received your marching orders in the daily DNC mailing?

    Toooooooooooooooooooooooooo

    Dammmmmmmmmmmmmmmmn

    Fuuuuuuuuuuuuunnnnnnnnnnnny

    Where they oversample DUMMOCRETINS again in the poll hence the numbers are biased higher? Reminds Puddy of the previous CNN/ORC poll where only 40% of Americans thought Obummer was trustworthy. That poll was DUMMOCRETIN oversampled! So what %age thought they were untrustworthy? Close to 60%

    See ya. Thanks for the great morning laugh.
    Happy Thanksgiving!

  103. 103

    Where they oversample DUMMOCRETINS again….

    Ruh-roh, Scoobie, here comes more ‘poll-truthing’!!

    BWAHAHAHAHA!!!

  105. 105

    Mitt Romney rejected in his Romneycare package the three things Mass Legislature DUMMOCRETINS implemented leading Deval Patrick to implement PRICE CONTROLS in 2012 on “Romneycare because costs were skyrocketing and schmucko-lunatic claims

    Makes me very glad we don’t have President Romney.

    Daft, Dense, and Dumb… schmucko-lunatic is the three D’s today!

  106. 106

    Like the evils of fluoridated water?

    Ahhh yes, now schmucko-lunatic is train wrecking… change the subject.

    What’s next…? PENGUINS?

  107. 107

    Ruh-roh, Scoobie, here comes more ‘poll-truthing’!!

    And CNN/ORC admits it.

    See ya sucka.

    As always… It really sux to be you!

  108. 108

    Someone should explain to the puddibigot that the singular of ‘data’ is ‘datum’, and that the plural of ‘anecdote’ is ‘anecdotes’.

    Someone should explain to schmucko-lunatic that Puddy didn’t type the word data here or anecdotes?

    Each link produced the same fact. Obummercare web sites are loose on security. N>1 schmucko-lunatic!

    As always… It really sux to be you!

  109. 109

    Someone should explain to schmucko-lunatic that Puddy didn’t type the word data here or anecdotes?

    I suppose you really are that stupid.

  110. 110

    Meanwhile over on NBC they are worried Putin is rewriting history books. Well he’s taking lessons from DUMMOCRETINS who are claiming Racist Republicans killed Kennedy.

    “He didn’t even have the satisfaction of being killed for civil rights. it had to be some silly little Communist.” – Jackie Kennedy

    And we all know which party today loves Communists! BTW it ain’t Republicans!

  111. 111

    So puddibigot, now that you seem to have settled down at the computer, and are posting a bunch….could you give us that affirmative and detailed argument for a medical care system that you would favor?

    Ryan? Broun? Price? Gingrich?

    Details! Critique! How it would be better than ACA! Give us the picture of your Teahaddists paradise medical care system – let’s debate!

  112. 112

    @110

    COMMUNISTS!!!!!

    ARRRGGGGHHHH!!!!

    THEY’LL KILL US ALL IN OUR BEDS!!!

    You are a frightened and pathetic little man, puddibigot.

  113. 113

    I suppose you really are that stupid.

    You were the one who posited N=1 as datum and anecdote when there are three state stories of security breaches, Minnesota, Oregon and Vermont and federal. Data and truth not anecdotes!

    So you schmucko-moron are really that stupid!

  114. 114

    So puddibigot, now that you seem to have settled down at the computer, and are posting a bunch….could you give us that affirmative and detailed argument for a medical care system that you would favor?

    Keep talking to the hand. DUMMOCRETINS created this health care mess. Not one Republican voted for Obummercare. DUMMOCRETINS in 2010 rejected any Republican input Hence DUMMOCRETINS have to fix it without Republican input.

    Hence, you’ll continue to receive the upheld palm to your crying pathetic posts!

  115. 115

    Another attempt at subject change schmucko-lunatic… Where did the poll argument go?

    Puddy didn’t say it… Jackie Kennedy did!

    As always… It really sux to be you!

    Keep jumping across the DUMMOCRETIN puddles!

    HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR!

  116. 116

    TPM
    Digby

    Where is the Daily Kooks post schmucko-lunatic? You love your left wrong sites. No wonder you are left wrong so many times on HA DUMMOCRETINS!

  117. 117

    Keep talking to the hand. DUMMOCRETINS created this health care mess. Not one Republican voted for Obummercare. DUMMOCRETINS in 2010 rejected any Republican input Hence DUMMOCRETINS have to fix it without Republican input.

    That’s not what I asked.

    I want to know what your preferred system would be. You keep dancing around and running away, and keep refusing to put out there what you want. What’s the best system, puddibigot, if you were in charge?

    I delight in asking this question, because I know that you’ll never answer it. You only do turd-droppings and then run away.

    You’re either afraid to show how little you know (news: we already know this), or to actually air what you really think, knowing that, like all right-wingers, the toxic mix of religious fanaticism, fascism and various bigotries will be repulsive to normal people.

  118. 118

    @97

    Facts like the fact that an IT professional in Minnesota with security access cut and pasted the sensitive material into an e-mail and sent it and then was fired for such a stupid-ass should never be allowed in the field again move?

    But right, call out Krugman for allegedly not telling all of the story.

    It’s all linked from your link because of course ‘Daily Caller’ won’t say that the incident was a single human error that occured BEFORE the state started signing up people for Obamacare. It has to be Obamacare’s fault or else stupid people like Piddles won’t be outraged.

    #323 of Piddles links not showing what he claims they show,

  119. 119

    puddibigot, I know you don’t read well, and your grasp of diction is poor (vault/vaunt?), but still, this isn’t that hard to grasp…

    …series of N=1 anecdotes…

    Yet you post turds like this…

    You were the one who posited N=1 as datum and anecdote when there are three state stories of security breaches, Minnesota, Oregon and Vermont and federal. Data and truth not anecdotes!

    To be clear. You posted a series of N=1 links. Those are called anecdotes. My subsequent comment about data/datum was in reference to your manifest inability to understand that a few random one-off stories does not constitute an effective systematic indictment of the ACA.

    I can’t tell if you’re being deliberately obtuse – in an effort to squirt squid ink – or you really are that dense. I don’t really care – either alternative leads to the same place – you’re inadequate as a challenging and honest debate opponent.

  120. 120

    Puddy noticed you gave up on the other attacks and now schmucko-lunatic is left on what’s your healthcare answer. Puddy has a long answer schmucko-lunatic. It’s just you won’t get the satisfaction of reading it. Created long ago for other reasons!

    When DUMMOCRETINS reach out to Republicans for healthcare help Puddy will post it BEFORE Republicans answer.

    A little hint… Capital Gains Taxes!

    As always… It really sux to be you!

  121. 121

    You posted a series of N=1 links.

    Man you are really stoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
    ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
    oooooooooooooooooooooooopid. Each link refers to the same FAILURE in a different state you moron! 1+1+1=3.

    As always… It really sux to be you!

  122. 122

    OK, I’m done toying with the pointy-headed puddibigot for now. I, alas, must work today, and have 3 hospitals to hit before I get any turkey.

    C’mon, puddibigot – surprise me – leave a long and detailed argument FOR something – tell us about the perfect medical care system that you and your Teahaddist allies would construct, given a free hand. How would it solve our nation’s needs and problems, and how would it be better than the ACA, or Medicare-for-All.

    Later.

  123. 123

    It’s all linked from your link because of course ‘Daily Caller’ won’t say that the incident was a single human error that occured BEFORE the state started signing up people for Obamacare

    It demonstrates security failures schmucko-lunatic… The same security failures the CTO of Sebilius’ healthcare brought forth before congress. Man you are really that stoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
    ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
    oooooooooooooooooooooooopid.

  124. 124

    OK, I’m done toying with the [some stupid personal ad hominem attack as always] for now.

    Yes schmucko-lunatic… run away with your tail between your legs.

    Another adventure into being left wrong from schmucko-lunatic!

  125. 125

    Puddy noticed checkmate arrived and joined in the left wrong fun. Puddy mistakenly gave schmuck-lunatic credit for the stooooooooooopidity of checkmate.

    Puddy apologizes for the mistake. Both are left wrong DUMMOCRETINS posting useless swill!

  127. 127

    @87 Oh, so you admit the pre-Obamacare healthcare system sucked, and people don’t want it back, they want healthcare reform?

  129. 129

    @100 “six of them were against Puddy”

    It’s a dirty chore someone has to do, like mopping up puppy vomit.

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