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DLBottlePlease join us for a late summer evening of political conversation over a pint at the Seattle Chapter of Drinking Liberally.

We meet tonight and every Tuesday evening at the Montlake Ale House, 2307 24th Avenue E. Starting time is 8:00pm. Some people show up earlier than that for Dinner.




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  1. 1

    Supposedly Obama requesting approval from the krackpot kongress on Syria is a highly unusual move.. What’s the big deal? The Assad regime committed a big time no-no.. Send a strong message and be done with it why doncha?

    The advisers, two of whom are former senators, were also willing to proceed without congressional authorization. But on Friday night, after a week spent speeding toward military action, the president made a stunning turnabout and decided he wanted approval from lawmakers before carrying out an attack.

    Heh. Not really.. The krakpots will fall right into line.. They’ll do anything and everything for “the country that can do no wrong”..

    Obama doesn’t have to answer to voters, but the bagger krakpots kooks do.. We’ll see what happens.

  2. 2

    Breaking News — The Cleveland Kidnapper Is Dead

    Ariel Castro, who imprisoned 3 women for 10 years, was found hanged in his prison cell tonight. Although prison officials have not termed his death as suicide, Castro had been isolated from other prisoners.

  3. 3

    The railroads don’t stop looking into ways to save fuel and reduce emissions. Sometimes it can be a simple solution. Union Pacific has introduced Arrowedge, an aerodynamic shell placed atop the first. container after the locomotive, that will cut down on wind resistance.
    http://www.railwayage.com/inde.....channel=48

  4. 4

    @1 The Republican Times ran an editorial today urging Congress to vote “no.” When did Neville Chamberlain join their editorial staff?

    I’m curious whether their motivation is traditional Republican isolationism, or because they oppose anything Obama is for as part of a broader GOP policy of making the failure of Obama’s presidency their #1 priority?

  5. 5

    Roger, Maybe it’s a ex-military vs never -in-the-military perspective, but I don’t want us in Syria.

    After a decade of war in Iraq and Afghanistan, polls show most Americans opposed to any new military action overseas. That reluctance is being reflected by senators and representatives, some of whom say Obama still hasn’t presented bulletproof evidence that Assad’s forces were responsible for the Aug. 21 attack. Others say the president hasn’t explained why intervening is in America’s interest.

    And it’s correct for Obama to go to congress because

    “The president does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation,” Obama said in 2008.

    We have huge problems to solve here at home. I’m tired of America paying and dying to be the middle east’s policeman.

    P.s. This is an interesting perspective

    Remember when Al Qaeda launched a “limited strike” against the World Trade Center and Pentagon and it wasn’t a declaration of war? Me neither. You bomb someone, it’s war, no matter how you might want to pretend otherwise.

  7. 7

    let me try and condense the two arguments (pro and con intervention):

    Interventionists. Those supporting the president’s apparent proposal for limited strikes to “degrade” or deter Syria’s ability to use chemical weapons against its own people believe that such behavior—the indiscriminate slaughter of civilians (including children)—cannot be left unpunished. The United States has a moral obligation to enforce international standards, as well as support allies in the region more directly affected by the conflict. If we don’t act, American credibility will be compromised.

    Non-interventionists. The slaughter in Syria is horrific, but our ability to impact an internal Syrian matter is limited. A limited bombing campaign is so incapable of solving the problem, that even its boosters talk only of “sending a message”. And if the message is “kill all the people you want, just not with chemical weapons,” what happens if and when Assad gasses his own people again? Finally, engaging in the war on the side of rebels dominated by Islamists worked out not-so-well in Afghanistan. What makes anyone think things will be different this time?

    Given the current situation, I’m a Non-interventionist.

  8. 8

    “American credibility will be compromised.”

    We still have “American credibility”? WTF!!! After all the effort BUSH and the RETHUG gang put into destroying it. How did they fail?

  9. 9

    100,000 dead in Syria so far. “Only” 1000 by sarin.

    I guess it is OK to kill 99,000 by bombs and bullets, just don’t use the nasty WMD stuff.

  11. 11

    @5 I don’t want us in Syria, either, but when a tinpot dictator starts nerve gassing civilians it’s time to shove a few Tomahawks up his ass. Too often in the past, our government has propped up odious thugs. Give Obama credit for wanting to slug this one; at least he’s no Ronald Reagan or Ollie North.

  12. 12

    @7 If you’re walking down the street and see a bully kick over a baby carriage, you don’t break his jaw to change his behavior, you do it because he’s got it coming.

  13. 13

    Dayum,

    Puddy been busy here but Pudy has to comment! It’s so funny watching the faces of people today while Obummer made his comments just 10 minutes by train from where Puddy is at.

    “I didn’t set a red line, the world set a red line.”

    Not from what peeps think here in Stockholm.

    Oh my this is so interesting to here Swedes talking about this. Oh yeah Puddy was asked if he thought Obummer would strike over the weekend. Puddy answered “How would Puddy know?” “Well he’s your president!” PuddyEyeRoll.

    Just ask HA’s juvenile unemployed ASSHole moron arschloch where Puddy is. HA’s juvenile unemployed ASSHole moron arschloch tracks Puddy’s every move!

    Now watch… Pavlov calls it. He’ll not comment on it for a while but will goto the crazed databaze.

  14. 14

    It’s not lost on me that 5 of the 8 Republicans on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee were appeasement monkeys this morning. I’ll remember that the next time they want our side to rubber-stamp one of their wars.

  15. 15

    Dontcha love it when DUMMOCRAPTS write legislation?

    Senators on Wednesday tried to write a tight resolution authorizing President Obama to strike Syria under very specific circumstances, but analysts and lawmakers said the language still has plenty of holes the White House could use to expand military action well beyond what Congress appears to intend.

    “Wiggle room? Plenty of that,” said Louis Fisher, scholar in residence at the Constitution Project and former long-time expert for the Congressional Research Service on separation of powers issues.

    Truth from the WA Times!

  16. 16

    Wasn’t Dr. Howard “Sarah Palin Was Right About ObummerCare Death Panels” Dean a dove in 2004 against GW Bush?

    “What I want to know, is what in the world so many Democrats are doing supporting the president’s unilateral intervention in Iraq?”

    Now he’s gung ho for Obummer.

    “Thus far I fully support the president, including his going to Congress.”

    Really Howard? Yeeeeaaaah!

  17. 17

    to here Swedes

    Yeah Puddy knows it’s “to hear Swedes”… It’s late and Puddy doesn’t really care that much!

  18. 18

    ERF,

    You should discuss the state of Train service in Sweden. Some cars look like they are from the 1960s. But they are spacious and roomy. 5 seats across with big aisles while the new ones are narrower with just 4 seats and narrow aisles.

  19. 19

    To the moron who wrote…

    We still have “American credibility”? WTF!!! After all the effort BUSH and the RETHUG gang put into destroying it. How did they fail?

    Apparently you haven’t left mom’s basement reading leftist wrong sites have you?

    Damn, wait until Puddy shows this to the gang tomorrow. They will crack up! Obummer has totally trashed American credibility you moron. The NSA leaks, Obummer Syria stance, taking away the missle defense shield from the Polish people, Obummer’s claim of transparency [.NOT.] has people talking. Europeans are more savvy than libtard DUMMOCRAPTS give them credit.

  20. 20

    Oh Look Jack Nicholson has retired from acting…

    Memory issues… Well he did jock strap Hillary then jackboot goosestepped for Obummer… Looks like Nicholson caught the old mindless moonbat memory malady! It happened much earlier in Roger SENILE DUMBASS and LUNATIC Wabbit!

  22. 22

    Benghazi! Benghazi! Benghazi! Benghazi!

    Benghazi report details security flaws at US diplomatic posts

    The U.S. Department of State has known for decades that inadequate security at embassies and consulates worldwide could lead to tragedy, but senior officials ignored the warnings and left some of America’s most dangerous diplomatic posts vulnerable to attack, according to an internal government report obtained exclusively by Al Jazeera’s Investigative Unit.

    The report by an independent panel of five security and intelligence experts describes how the Sept. 11, 2012, attack on the U.S. Special Mission in Benghazi, Libya, which left Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens and three other Americans dead, exploited the State Department’s failure to address serious security concerns at diplomatic facilities in high-risk areas.

    Among the most damning assessments, the panel concluded that the State Department’s failure to identify worsening conditions in Libya and exemptions from security regulations at the U.S. Special Mission contributed to the tragedy in Benghazi. Undersecretary for Management Patrick Kennedy approved using Benghazi as a temporary post despite its significant vulnerabilities, according to an internal State Department document included with the report.


    Full article at Al Jazeera America

    So who is more accurate in reporting on Benghazi?
    Fair and Balanced Fox?
    Or the evil nasty ARAB Al Jazeera America?

  23. 23

    @19 “Obummer Syria stance”

    So now you’re an Assad apologist, on top of all your other horseshit?

  24. 24

    Some moron who’s stinking up some unfortunate part of the planet is just HANGING on, HANGING on desperately, pathetically to any shred of response to his miserable babblings from us liberal regulars here in the threads…

    Awwwww. Poor baby. How Mr. “got it made” needs us..

    Heh.. A big plate of Lutfisk is all I can wish on that needy buffoon. It can only improve the drivel that drips “24/7” from his miserable ass.

  25. 25

    How about that pathetic GOP congress critter who wanted to talk about Benghazi instead of 1,429 Syrian civilians murdered with nerve gas?

  26. 26

    Wow the economy sure sucks for a lot people.. Not these people though:

    When Congress passed the budget cuts in 2011 known as the sequester, the CEOs of defense companies repeatedly warned of widespread job and wage losses resulting from the proposed cuts. But six months after the sequester officially kicked in, the seven major military contractors are celebrating record profits, and their stocks are near all-time highs. In addition, the future looks just as bright as their backlog of orders is nearly as large as the total $37 billion in defense cuts.

    http://therealnews.com/t2/inde.....ival=10673

    Heh.. If only the empty suit the trolls voted for twice and his puppet master Darth Cheney were back in charge – we’d be deep into another shitty war and so many people would be employed as either canon fodder or churning out widgets to fill the military quartermasters’ warehouses.

  27. 27

    Heh.. A big plate of Lutfisk is all I can wish on that needy buffoon. It can only improve the drivel that drips “24/7″ from his miserable ass.

    Eat up HA’s juvenile unemployed ASSHole moron arschloch!

    Puddy who’s gracing another great part of the planet

    Corrected with truth! Puddy knows you are itching to goto the crazed databaze HA’s juvenile unemployed ASSHole moron arschloch!

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR

    Oh Roger SENILE DUMBASS and LUNATIC Wabbit, HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR was Jackie Gleason’s signature laugh in the Honeymooners so good try at claiming that you buffoon!

  28. 28

    Assad apologist

    Apparently Roger SENILE DUMBASS and LUNATIC Wabbit is discussing the Congressional DUMMOCRAPTS and Libtards like Code Pink Freakazoids.

    Too bad Roger SENILE DUMBASS and LUNATIC Wabbit never gets it right!

  29. 29

    Puddymoron who’s farting out a socialist part of the planet with single payer health care..

    How it sucks to be that part of the planet right now..

  30. 30

    The Great Puddy who’s working hard in a “socialist” part of the planet with single payer health care..

    It’s still the most ignorant juvenile unemployed ASSHole moron known to HA viewers still can’t get it right! Go to those who would know, not look at a crazed databaze.

    “Sweden has always been a solid market economy”, states the present right-wing government on its website. And that is certainly true. Sweden has never been a socialist society – based on public ownership of production, workers’ control and management, social equality and a democratic plan of production. Neither has Sweden been a ‘mixed economy’ or provided a ‘third way’ – an alternative to both capitalism and socialism, if such a thing were possible.

    It’s great to be in Sweden you jackASS! Friendly people, beautiful blonde haired wimens, great food and being far away from idiots like HA’s ignorant juvenile unemployed ASSHole moron!

    HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR

  31. 31

    Puddy loves it when Puddy calls it RIGHT! Now that Richard Trumka is coming out against ObummerCare, it’s too late for those union workers who jackboot goosestepped behind Union Thug Leader Trumka and voted DUMMOCRAPT!

    Same guy whose union just lost 40,000 members over his support for Obamacare.

    Of course he won’t have to pay with his high paying job. He’ll continue to mislead union workers with his thug-like actions and stoooooooooooooopid DUMMOCRAPT brand commentary!

    From WikiPedia

    Despite claims of non-violence by Trumka during the strike, a union coal miner, Jerry Dale Lowe, was eventually convicted in 1994 of killing Eddie York at a mine owned by the Arch Mineral Corporation. [14]

    From Discover the Networks:

    Trumka explained metaphorically: “[I]f you strike a match and put your finger in, common sense tells you you’re going to burn your finger.”

    UMW strikers perpetrated their acts of violence with the encouragement and approval of Trumka and their other union leaders. As Virginia Circuit Court Judge Donald McGlothlin Jr. declared in 1989, “the evidence shows beyond any shadow of a doubt that violent activities are being organized, orchestrated and encouraged by the leadership of this union.” The Virginia Supreme Court concurred: “Union officials took active roles in these unlawful activities. Notwithstanding the large fines, the Union never represented to the court that it regretted or intended to cease its lawless actions. To the contrary, the utter defiance of the rule of law continued unabated.”

    Butt, he’s a leftist hero, coming to his “senses” too late.

  32. 32

    Hmmm… will leftist msm display this cartoon?

    Popular and widely read Egyptian newspaper Al Wafd published the above picture today portraying U.S. President Barack Hussein Obama as Satan himself. The unflattering picture has been making the rounds on Facebook in the Middle East and, according to Al Wafd, is representative of the hatred growing numbers of people in the region have for the American president, thanks to his staunch and unwavering support for Islamists and jihadiis — whether in Nigeria, Libya, Egypt, or Syria — even as they terrorize, murder, rape, and burn down Christian churches, that is, even as they engage in diabolical activities.

    Will the moron who blamed GW Bush get it?

    Naaah the goatmaster is really stooooooooooopid, living in left wrong fantasy land!

  33. 33

    Preznit Obummer: “My Credibility Is Not On The Line”

    Chris Matthews: House Dems Will Have To “Save The President’s Hide” On Syria

    Andrea Mitchell: Obama Admin Will Have To Get Past “Bungling” Syria

    Jon Stewart: Assad Crossed The Line Of What We See As Acceptable Ways To Kill People

    Will these be real headlines next Friday Night on the Friday Night Comix pages?

  34. 34

    Australia is about to have an election where the Liberal/National coalition is going to win in a landslide over the incumbent Labor Party. The speculation already, is the next election. Specifically the coalition pledge to scrap the carbon tax. If the leader of the Coalition moves to end it first, and it is defeated twice in the Senate, it could set up a double dissolution trigger, where not only the House of Representatives is subject to a snap election, but all 76 senators. That would bring the quota for Senate election down to about 7%.
    http://fruitsandvotes.com/?p=7149

    Whether a double dissolution happens depends also if Labor holds the Senate. Retiring and defeated senators get to finish out their terms, and that is in July. The balance of power, until then, the balance of power will be the 11 crossbench Senators, 9 Greens, 1 Independent, and 1 Democratic Labor.

  35. 35

    Looks like Ann Coulter nails it again…

    Saddam launched nearly two dozen more chemical attacks on the Kurds, resulting in at least 50,000 deaths, perhaps three times that many. That’s to say nothing of the tens of thousands of Iranians Saddam killed with poison gas. Indeed, in making the case against Assad recently, Secretary of State John Kerry said his use of chemical weapons put him in the same league as “Adolf Hitler and Saddam Hussein.”

    Not even close — but may we ask why Kerry sneered at the war that removed such a monster as Hussein?

    There were endless United Nations reports and resolutions both establishing that Saddam had used chemical weapons and calling on him to give them up. (For the eighth billionth time, we did find chemical weapons in Iraq, just no “stockpiles.” Those had been moved before the war, according to Saddam’s own general, Georges Sada — to Syria.)

    Of course the crazed HA morons will scream differently over real historical facts!

  36. 36

    Where is the Bradley/Chelsea Manning sex change fund drive on HA?

    Where is gleeeeeeeeeeeeeeman demanding this?
    Where is windie demanding this?
    Where is Boeing Bob demanding this?
    Where is Fascist Pigsty demanding this?

  37. 37

    @36. What a senseless post. Gay people getting beat up and killed everyday, see post 21. And all you can do is muster up senseless bullshit. I thought you valued freedom, I suppose it is the freedom to beat, kill and bully. I thought you valued human life, always talking about the three dead in Benghazi, but you are just a piece of senseless barbaric asshole with a lot of bullshit.

  38. 38

    #37. It’s sad to skim the person playing Puddy and watching him get more and more absurd until someone, anyone, will pay attention to him and respond. I bet he was ignored a lot as a child and this is his defense mechanism.

  39. 39

    I bet he was ignored a lot as a child and this is his defense mechanism.

    You’d lose the bet Fascist Pigsty.

    Puddy knows FACTS scare leftist pinheads like you. Y’all like your little leftist echo chambers. You could contribute with your leftist friends and then when the operation occurs, visit “Chelsea” in Leavenworth or wherever it may be!

    BTW, we watched Obummer’s motorcade scream by northbound on his way back to Arlanda as he left Stockholm.

    But it’s not his red line!

  40. 40

    You know there are going to be laughs when you read…

    Looks like Ann Coulter nails it again…

    Puddybigot doesn’t realize that Coulter (good friend of Maher, BTW) is a performance artist, just like him. Perhaps puddybigot doesn’t realize that HE’S a performance artist?

  41. 41

    What the puddybigot doesn’t realize is that Coulter, in the quote he provides, is conflating things Saddam Hussein did in the 1980’s with what Assad is doing now.

    Disclaimer – I’m against bombing Syria. Obama is making a terrible mistake, and I find Kerry’s voice to be like fingernails on a blackboard. War is (nearly) always a distraction from issues that matter to regular people, and a great means for the rich further enriching themselves. It must be stopped.

    However, what is being discussed now is a response, in nearly real-time, to the use of chemical weapons against civilians.

    Saddam Hussein used chemical weapons against both civilians and military targets throughout the 1990s, during the Reagan/Bush I Imperium, when Hussein was our guy…

    According Walter Lang, senior defence intelligence officer for the U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency at the time, “the use of gas on the battlefield by the Iraqis was not a matter of deep strategic concern” to Reagan and his aides, because they “were desperate to make sure that Iraq did not lose.” He claimed that the Defense Intelligence Agency “would have never accepted the use of chemical weapons against civilians, but the use against military objectives was seen as inevitable in the Iraqi struggle for survival”.[118] The Reagan administration did not stop aiding Iraq after receiving reports of the use of poison gas on Kurdish civilians.

    The weapons were gone by the Bush II/Cheney Regency. There was no rational reason to attack Iraq in 2003, other than, of course, to consolidate and expand the domestic power and prestige of Bush II (the Pretender) and his allies in their efforts to extend and reinforce the plutocracy, or neofeudalism.

    Kerry was entirely correct to be against the 2003 invasion of Iraq. He’s terribly mistaken now to be leading the charge into Syria.

  42. 42

    @39 – Obviously you can’t reply to post #37. You are too much of a mother f’er. One day when you kids are shot and killed I hope you appreciate it.

  43. 43

    What’s the best way to turn a southern politician purple in the face? Give a worker a chance to vote on union representation!

    Local politicians celebrated long and hard after luring Volkswagon to open a U.S. plant in Chattanooga, Tennessee. In many ways, the celebration continues. The politicans were confident that any UAW campaigns to sign up workers would be rejected, counting on the “right to work” law in Tennessee which allows a worker not to join a union but receive union-negotiated benefits without paying the dues or participating in a strike or other activities. Local editorials and letters to the editors spoke with complete hatred of anything which resembled Union activity.

    But what they weren’t counting on was a management structure at Volkswagon which not only was not anti-union, but was actually pro-union. Union and other worker representitives make up half of the Supervisory Council of the company, and noticed that the Chattanooga plant was the only one of it’s plants in varous countries without union representation. It hasn’t said it will allow Union representation, Volkswagon instead took the correct approach based on U.S. labor law: It said it was up to the workers.

    But Bob Corker, former mayor and now a U.S. Senator from Tennessee, claimed such an approach would be the death of attempts to lure unions to the South. Other politicians pretty much admitted as much, saying that without the promise of non-union plants, companies would not relocate there. The various politicians are trying to come up with new ways to keep the unions out of the Volkswagon plant.

    GOP dreads prospect of Union encroachment in the South

  44. 44

    Obviously gleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeman, has a “bone” to pick. So here it is for you gleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeman, Chelsea wants the US Guvmint to pay for something I don’t agree with. Chelsea, leaked secretive documents. While Bradley was free to do that Chelsea is not. Freedom for what? Chelsea received a whole bunch of cash while in the brig. Chelsea can pay for it’s sex change itself.

  45. 45

    “the use of gas on the battlefield by the Iraqis was not a matter of deep strategic concern” to Reagan and his aides, because they “were desperate to make sure that Iraq did not lose.”

    To Iran, hostage taker, exporter of terrorism, extremist thigs… Oops Puddy forgot SCHMUCKO likes thugs and terrorists. He worships the Rolling Stone picture of Dzhokhar Tsarnaev every day cuz SCHMUCKO loves dem terrorists.

  46. 46

    43)In Volkswagen’s home country, Germany, unions are pretty much enshrined in the constitution.

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