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Drinking Liberally — Seattle

by Darryl — Tuesday, 6/19/12, 4:59 pm

Please join us tonight for an evening of politics and conversation over a pint at the Seattle Chapter of Drinking liberally.

We meet every Tuesday at the Montlake Ale House, 2307 24th Avenue E. Starting time is 8:00pm. Some people show up earlier for Dinner.

Can’t make it to Seattle tonight? Check out one of the other DL meetings this week. The Tri-Cities chapter of Drinking liberally meets every Tuesday night, and Drinking Liberally Tacoma meets this Thursday.

With 228 chapters of Living Liberally, including twelve in Washington state and four more in Oregon, chances are excellent there’s a chapter near you.

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  1. 1

    MikeBoyScout spews:

    Tuesday, 6/19/12 at 5:37 pm

    I’d be there but tonight is the first episode of, what is bound to be the most riveting life changing reality TV show evah, Bristol Palin: Life’s a Tripp.

    It makes you wonder who is more proud; Sarah or John McCain?

  2. 2

    Smilin' spews:

    Tuesday, 6/19/12 at 5:39 pm

    Why not have a discussion about Eric With-Holder and his contempt for & of Congress. What a joke. The numbskull actually believes voters will sympathize with him?? Wow. He needs to give up the documents right NOW. The longer he waits, the more Obama is going to get clobbered with rumors and conjecture about hiding important stuff. Holder will not survive this. You lefty’s were so outraged at Ashcroft and this defiance of Congress by With-Holder is waaaay more offensive.

    GOP Rep. Darrell Issa said his face-to-face meeting Tuesday with Attorney General Eric Holder failed to produce the documents requested for the congressional investigation into the Justice Department’s botched Fast and Furious gun walking operation and suggested he needs them by Wednesday morning to stop a scheduled vote to put Holder in contempt of Congress.
    Issa told reporters after the roughly 20-minute meeting that Holder instead briefed them on the documents in lieu of delivering them. And he suggested he might delay the contempt vote, called for because Holder and the department have not responded to two subpoenas requesting additional information.
    “The deadline will always move to the last minute,” said Issa, chairman of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform. “We’re not looking to hold people responsible. We’re looking for document production.”

    Give up the documents With-Holder. These are legal subpoena’s. No, on 2nd thought, keep holding them and let Romney make hay on Obama having his man hide legal documents.

    Hey, I thought Obama was going to have the most open government ever?? In fact, there are videos of Obama saying that repeatedly.
    Do his actions match his promises? Hardly.

  3. 3

    MikeBoyScout spews:

    Tuesday, 6/19/12 at 5:44 pm

    @2 Smellin’

    The best part of your joke is where you cite “GOP Rep. Darrell Issa said” :-D

  4. 4

    Michael spews:

    Tuesday, 6/19/12 at 6:14 pm

    Another shooting to report.

    Two officers shot in North Spokane, police search for suspects

    Witnesses say they heard gun shots and looked out a window and saw a black SUV flying down the street. They said they saw two police officers down on the ground. Two witnesses went over to the officers and compressed their gunshot wounds. The witnesses say one officer had two shots to the arms and one to the leg. The other officer had at least one shot to the leg. The witnesses say the officers were coherent as paramedics arrived on scene.

    The two officers have been taken to Sacred Heart. Spokane County Sheriff’s officials say one officer is doing ‘ok’ and the other is ‘not doing very well’
    http://www.krem.com/news/Repor.....49435.html

    Wonder what kind of nut job who should no way have had a gun will we come up with this time? This was on the north side of Spokane, so I’m betting meth-freaks.

  5. 5

    Michael spews:

    Tuesday, 6/19/12 at 6:20 pm

    You lefty’s were so outraged at Ashcroft and this defiance of Congress by With-Holder is waaaay more offensive.

    Most of the lefties I know don’t like Holder.

  6. 6

    Michael spews:

    Tuesday, 6/19/12 at 6:57 pm

    DF(bike riding)H’s save the day!

    http://bikeportland.org/2012/0.....ials-73445
    Sunday’s inaugural Disaster Relief Trials (DRT) was a big success on many levels.

    The mock disaster scenario (a major earthquake) that the event was based on gave emergency responders and cargo bike enthusiasts a lot to think about. Disaster preparedness volunteers with the City’s Neighborhood Emergency Teams (NET) and the County’s Amateur Radio Emergency Service learned how to relay messages during a crisis, cargo bike builders learned how their designs performed under a variety of challenging, real-world conditions, and cargo bike operators learned how to push through the limits of pedal power.

    At checkpoints scattered throughout a 30 miles swath of north and northeast Portland, the competitors (split between “Citizen” and “Open” classes) had to pedal through tricky obstacles and load and carry 100 pounds of cargo

  7. 7

    Serial Conservative spews:

    Tuesday, 6/19/12 at 7:07 pm

    Sean Trende, RCP:


    In short, it’s not really clear what Obama’s tack on immigration really accomplishes, politically speaking. It probably will result in minimal gains among Latino voters, in states with only a few electoral votes. But what it costs him could easily offset those gains, and then some.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.c.....531-2.html

  8. 8

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Tuesday, 6/19/12 at 7:20 pm

    @2 Hey kinda like the Bush administration! How you like them apples?

  9. 9

    MikeBoyScout spews:

    Tuesday, 6/19/12 at 7:27 pm

    @8 Roger,

    Good god man! What did apples ever do to you?

  10. 10

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Tuesday, 6/19/12 at 7:34 pm

    @9 One fell from a tree and beaned me. So now I hate all apples! They practice a different religion and female apples wear burqas! You can’t trust any apples! They’re all rotten!

  11. 11

    MikeBoyScout spews:

    Tuesday, 6/19/12 at 7:45 pm

    @10 Roger,

    Very good!
    Other acceptable answers are:
    – apples are the tool of satan
    – apples are red

    ;)

  12. 12

    Michael spews:

    Tuesday, 6/19/12 at 7:56 pm

    @4
    It’s heroin, not meth. And he did us the favor of sparing us the cost of a trial and year of incarceration.

    Sounds like the cops that were shot are going to be OK.

    http://www.spokesman.com/stori.....-shooting/
    The suspect is Charles R. Wallace, 41, who was indicted just a month ago on federal charges connected to a heroin distribution ring that authorities allege supplied at least 100 grams of the drug.

    As police closed in on a suspect in the shooting of two Spokane County sheriff’s deputies today, the suspect fired repeatedly at pursuing cars, then shot and killed himself in the Deer Park area.

    Hopefully, whoever gave or sold that guy a gun can be tracked down and put in jail for a really long time.

  13. 13

    Liberal Scientist is a a dirty fucking hippie spews:

    Tuesday, 6/19/12 at 8:28 pm

    Hopefully, whoever gave or sold that guy a gun can be tracked down and put in jail for a really long time.

    Oh! You believe in unicorns!

  14. 14

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Tuesday, 6/19/12 at 8:37 pm

    @13 Why not unicorns? Can we trade in our trolls for unicorns?

  15. 15

    Michael spews:

    Tuesday, 6/19/12 at 9:05 pm

    A one-sentence bill worth $300 million to a bank owned by a politically connected family that has doled out hundreds of thousands of dollars in campaign donations is about to get a big push forward.

    Set to be approved by the House Financial Services Committee on Thursday, the legislation would help Emigrant Savings Bank of New York sidestep a costly mandate of the Dodd-Frank financial reform law. No other bank in the country would be affected.

    The bill was introduced by Rep. Michael Grimm (R-N.Y.), but it’s backed by members of both parties on the financial services panel. Emigrant Bank is owned by billionaire Howard Milstein, a bundler for President Barack Obama’s 2008 campaign and a major Empire State political player.

    Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/s.....z1yIqVWaam

    As I’ve pointed out many times before, the wealthy and powerful are first and foremost the wealthy and powerful, not Democrats and Republicans.

  16. 16

    Michael spews:

    Tuesday, 6/19/12 at 9:08 pm

    @13

    We’re talking about habitual criminals and drug addicts, they shouldn’t be that hard to find.

    When a WSP trooper was shot and killed in Gorst a while back every single person that helped the shooter try to hide from the police was rounded up and jailed. Same for the folks that helped the guy that shot 4 Lakewood cops a few years back.

  17. 17

    Michael spews:

    Tuesday, 6/19/12 at 9:10 pm

    @13, 14
    Unicorns, rainbows, and talking walruses that don’t smell funky.

  18. 18

    Puddybud spews:

    Tuesday, 6/19/12 at 9:27 pm

    Da Heat wins game 3!

  19. 19

    Puddybud spews:

    Tuesday, 6/19/12 at 9:29 pm

    Hey kinda like the Bush administration! How you like them apples?

    Except now it’s pox on your house!

  20. 20

    Puddybud spews:

    Tuesday, 6/19/12 at 9:31 pm

    One fell from a tree and beaned me.

    And it was tasty!

    YUM YUM

  21. 21

    Puddybud spews:

    Tuesday, 6/19/12 at 9:43 pm

    On Piers Morgan CNN tonight the discussion was Obummer’s news conference at the G20 Summit in Los Cabos, Mexico!

    “Well, right there, I mean, he looked really de-energized. I was watching him, you know, as he stepped to the podium. One of the whole advantages of being President, of being the incumbent, is you get those settings – the flags behind you, the podium. You get the international audience. And he strode out there and the cadence of his speech was very slowed down. There was a lot of hemming and hawing. He got the first question from the press and answered, that answer went on and on and on, and he provided this really strange tutorial on European economic dynamics, and I just, I don’t think that’s what he went to do when he went to that microphone. He doesn’t seem in command.” Frank Bruni, NY Times

    Pathetic! Mrs Puddy said “he’s rambling so he doesn’t have to answer many questions”.

  22. 22

    Puddybud spews:

    Tuesday, 6/19/12 at 9:48 pm

    “Yeah, listen, I hear some people chanting ‘four more years.’ Who wants four more years of Obamacare?” Romney asked to a thunderous “no!”

    “Who wants four more years of Dodd-Frank that makes it harder for banks to make loans to small business?” he asked to a similar reaction. “Who wants four more years of energy policies that say we can’t use our own coal and our gas? Who wants four more years of higher taxes? Who wants four more years of greater and greater regulations that strangles small businesses?”

    Romney concluded by addressing his hecklers: “Sorry, the guys who want four more years, you can stay on that side of the street! We’re getting American working again on this side of the street!”

    Mitt Romney taking on the hecklers.

  23. 23

    Puddybud spews:

    Tuesday, 6/19/12 at 9:51 pm

    Is this the standard libtard OWS anarchist?

    Well she speaks like a HA libtard!

    Seems so!

  24. 24

    Michael spews:

    Tuesday, 6/19/12 at 10:21 pm

    “Yeah, listen, I hear some people chanting ‘four more years.’ Who wants four more years of Obamacare?” Romney asked to a thunderous “no!”

    ‘Cept Obamacare is Romney care.

    “Who wants four more years of energy policies that say we can’t use our own coal and our gas?

    ‘Cept as governor Romney stood in front of a coal fired plant and said that coal electric plants kill people.

    Who wants four more years of higher taxes?

    ‘Cept Obama’s lowered most people’s taxes and as governor Romney raised taxes.

    In fact, Romney increased taxes by $309 million, mainly on corporations. These tax hikes, described by Romney apologists as “loophole closures,” totaled $128 million in 2003, $95.5 million in 2004, and $85 million in 2005. That final year, Romney proposed $170 million in higher business taxes, the Boston Globe reports. However, the Bay State’s liberal, Democratic legislature balked and approved only the less onerous $85 million increase.
    http://www.nationalreview.com/.....y-murdock#

    Yeah, Romney sure showed them.

  25. 25

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Tuesday, 6/19/12 at 11:01 pm

    Would You Buy A Used Business From This Man?

    “Mitt Romney promised this past weekend that the wealthy would ‘still pay the same share of the tax burden they’re paying now’ and that he’s ‘not looking for a tax cut for the very wealthiest.’ And: ‘I’m not looking to reduce the burden paid by the wealthiest.’ He added, ‘I’m looking to bring tax rates down for everyone.'”

    http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com.....omney?lite

    Roger Rabbit Commentary: That’s a flat-ass lie, cleverly packaged. First, he would cut tax rates so a person making $1 million a year would pay $146,000 less taxes. He promises to make it up from exemptions and deductions — but the catch is a Republican Congress will pass lower tax rates for the rich and won’t pass taking away exemptions or deductions from the rich, so the rich will end up with a huge tax cut and Romney will claim he didn’t do it.

    But that’s not all. He’ll extend the Bush tax cuts, but not the Obama tax cuts, and that’ll raise taxes on the middle class.

    What a sneaky sonuvabitch. It’s the same old GOP horseshit: Cut taxes for the rich, raise taxes on wage earners, increase deficits, then blame Democrats for running up the public debt.

    Exactly what I expect from a guy who buys companies to strip their assets, then closes plants and fires workers.

  26. 26

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Tuesday, 6/19/12 at 11:06 pm

    @20 So that’s how you turned into a snake.

  27. 27

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Tuesday, 6/19/12 at 11:09 pm

    @22 Whoop-de-doo. A Romney moment.

  28. 28

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Tuesday, 6/19/12 at 11:39 pm

    Rmoney sounds like a carnival barker more than any presidential nominee we’ve had in a long time.

  29. 29

    Puddybud spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 5:09 am

    ‘Cept Obamacare is Romney care.

    Nope! “Romneycare” as libtards call it was a coalition of Massachusetts DUMMOCRAPTS, Republicans, management, and labor unions who together created a state led medical program. Everyone came together in Massachusetts.

    Obummercare was rammed down our throats by Obummer, Nancy Facelift Pelosi and Harry Land Deal Reid and the DUMMOCRAPTIC majorities in Congress no matter what rhpee6033 claims. You had to pass the bill to find out what was in it. DUMMOCRAPTS said this is what we’re doing and we don’t need any input from Republicans. Read the comments of Pelosi and Baucus.

    Stop drinking the kook-aid dude!

  30. 30

    Liberal Scientist is a a dirty fucking hippie spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 6:01 am

    was rammed down our throats

    What is it with right wingers and these terror dreams of having things ‘rammed down their throats’? It’s a constant complaint, and makes one wonder about the demons in your heads. Maybe some therapy (and not the Marcus Bachmann variety)…

  31. 31

    Gman spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 6:05 am

    @ 4 – Hey Michael, since you were the first one to welcome me back, did you ever give it any thought to whether the shooter was a heterosexual or homosexual? You think Meth was the only contributing factor?

  32. 32

    who run Bartertown? spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 6:43 am

    @31

    maybe the freak was mad because you passed up on a night of self hating sex with him…

  33. 33

    who run Bartertown? spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 6:54 am

    Well finally some decent news. Grand Jury makes the right decision and father who killed the child molester goes free.

    http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/19/.....?hpt=hp_c1

    Now, if we can just do this to the rest of the child molesters out there, the world would be a better place.

  34. 34

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 7:25 am

    @29 “Nope! …”

    bullshit

  35. 35

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 7:27 am

    @33 Wingnuts have never seen a problem they thought couldn’t be solved by killing someone.

  36. 36

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 7:29 am

    Mass Shooting Of The Day (TM)

    Three people are dead and two wounded after a shooting outside a Houston strip club this morning.

    http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_n.....-club?lite

    Roger Rabbit Commentary: This one sounds like a domestic of some sort. Or it could be a robbery. Makes you wonder whether people with relationship or financial problems should have access to guns. We don’t let insane people have guns. Maybe we just need to broaden the definition of insanity so it includes almost all of you crazy humans.

  37. 37

    Serial Conservative spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 7:29 am

    You’re a real class act, Obama:

    http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012.....?hpt=hp_t1

    Fucking cowardly move. God forbid the public find out that your plan was to intentionally allow thousands of assault rifles into the hands of criminals, in order to further your perspective that allowing guns into the hands of criminals is a bad idea and that therefore guns should be restricted.

  38. 38

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 7:53 am

    @37 “your plan”

    That was Chimp’s plan, as I recall …

    “The first known ATF ‘gunwalking’ operation to Mexican drug cartels … began in early 2006 and ran into late 2007. …

    “At the time, under the Bush administration Department of Justice (DOJ), no arrests or indictments were made.

    “After President Barack Obama took office in 2009, the DOJ reviewed Wide Receiver in September 2009 and … [i]ndictments began in 2010, over three years after Wide Receiver concluded.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A.....ng_scandal

    Okay, let’s review:

    Started by Republicans
    Stopped by Obama administration
    No prosecutions under Republicans
    Obama administration initiated prosecutions

    Still have any confusion about this?

  39. 39

    Serial Conservative spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 8:05 am

    RR:

    There’s no comparison and you know it. The goals were totally different, Bush’s program actually kept the Mexicans informed, and Bush’s program was ended when it became apparent that they couldn’t successfully follow the weaponry to see where it ended up.

    Obama’s DOJ program never tried to follow the sold weapons. They just recorded serial numbers and waited for the guns to turn up in the hands of criminals. They weren’t trying to catch criminals. Only to prove that the guns would end up in the wrong hands.

    You are disingenuous at best.

  40. 40

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 8:14 am

    What this is really about is the AG offered House GOPers the documents they asked for — even though they involve DOJ internal deliberations that don’t have to be disclosed to Congress (see separation of powers) — but Rep. Issa refused to drop contempt proceedings against Holder. Obama quite properly used executive privilege to stop this partisan bullshit.

  41. 41

    Serial Conservative spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 8:18 am

    @ 40

    Makes this more likely it goes to a full House contempt vote, then to the grand jury.

    I’m OK with an incompetent AG bringing down an incompetent president.

    Or, they could release the papers.

  42. 42

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 8:20 am

    @39 Excuses are like assholes, everybody’s got one. Bush’s program spun out of control. It put over 2,000 guns in the hands of Mexican criminals. People are being prosecuted for “walking” those guns.

    It wasn’t, as you assert, run any better than the post-2009 program. The ATF didn’t abruptly get dumb when Bush left office. They were dumb all along and needed better supervision than they got from higher-ups.

    None of this would have happened if the incompetents in Bush’s DOJ had done their jobs.

  43. 43

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 8:25 am

    @41 They offered the papers, dumbshit. Issa doesn’t want them. He wants to nail a Democratic pelt to the wall in an election year. What an asswipe. You’re an asswipe, too, for shilling this partisan bullshit. Issa should be indicted for obstructing DOJ’s prosecution of the gunrunners. Maybe he’s protecting Bush’s people?

  44. 44

    Serial Conservative spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 8:35 am

    @ 43

    Wrong, clown.

    Holder offered his perspective on the papers. He offered to brief the committee on their content as he chose to divulge, not to disclose the papers themselves.

    For someone who claims to be an attorney you have very little command of facts.

  45. 45

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 8:36 am

    GOP Out Of Touch On Health Care Reform

    A new poll shows Republicans very clearly are out of touch with the public on health care reform.

    “Americans overwhelmingly want the president and Congress to get to work on a new bill to change the health care system if the Supreme Court strikes down President Barack Obama’s 2010 overhaul as unconstitutional, a new poll finds. …

    “[A]n Associated Press-GfK poll shows that more than three-fourths of Americans do not want their political leaders to leave the health care system alone in the event the court throws out the health care law.”

    http://seattletimes.nwsource.c.....hcare.html

    Roger Rabbit Commentary: This isn’t surprising; everyone knows the GOP is only interested in serving the rich and couldn’t care less about the other 99%. Back in 2010 they campaigned on “jobs” but after the election we never heard from them about jobs again. These guys are all hot air.

  46. 46

    Serial Conservative spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 8:40 am

    @ 42

    You have your facts incorrect. The thousands of guns you mention was the Obama program, in which no effort was made to trace them.

    The Bush program involved 400 guns:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11.....exico.html

    and efforts to trace them were made but were unsuccessful.

    In the Bush program the Mexican authorities were kept informed and were part of the tracing efforts. In the Bush program, no one thought it was important to tell the Mexicans we were intentionally dumping thousands of illegal firearms into their country.

    Big difference. Pull your head out and breathe once in awhile, clown.

  47. 47

    Serial Conservative spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 8:48 am

    Here’s Obama in 2007 on executive privilege claims:

    CNN’S LARRY KING: Do you favor executive privilege or should Karl Rove and others in that like position be forced to testify before the House or Senate?

    OBAMA: Well, you know, I think we’ll — we’ll determine over the next several weeks how this administration responds to the very appropriate call by Patrick Leahy, the chairman of the Judiciary Committee, to have these individuals come in and testify. You know, there’s been a tendency on the part of this administration to — to try to hide behind executive privilege every time there’s something a little shaky that’s taking place. And I think, you know, the administration would be best served by coming clean on this. There doesn’t seem to be any national security issues involved with the U.S. attorney question. There doesn’t seem to be any justification for not offering up some clear, plausible rationale for why these — these U.S. attorneys were targeted when, by all assessments, they were doing an outstanding job. I think the American people deserve to know what was going on there.

    He’s going to catch some serious flak for what he and Holder have done.

    Why would he allow this type of negative publicity right before an election?

    Because the alternative would be for the country to see what’s in the documents.

    They must be pretty fucking incriminating.

  48. 48

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 8:50 am

    @44 “He offered to brief the committee on their content … not to disclose the papers themselves.”

    Buuullshiiit. If you ever pull your head out of your ass long enough to read a newspaper, someday you might know something.

    “Issa wanted the documents immediately. Holder told reporters he would not turn over documents on the gun-smuggling probe unless Issa agreed to another congressional briefing on the Justice Department material. Holder wanted an assurance from Issa that the transfer of the records would satisfy a subpoena from the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, which Issa heads.” [Emphasis added — RR]

    Holder offered the documents but wanted to give Congress a briefing. He also, quite properly, wanted to know that releasing the documents would satisfy Issa’s subpoena. Issa didn’t respond to either request. Instead, he made threats. The administration is cooperating, the GOP isn’t. You couldn’t possibly have a clearer-cut example of who’s in the right and who’s in the wrong. And not to be overlooked is this:

    “Ordinarily, such deliberative documents as those that Issa is seeking are off-limits to Congress.”

    http://seattletimes.nwsource.c.....rious.html

  49. 49

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 8:58 am

    @47 Issa is abusing his authority for crass political gain. That fucker has it coming. Holder has made it clear Issa will get the documents he wants when he quits playing games. Obama and Holder are under no duty to play Issa’s game by Issa’s rules. End of story.

  50. 50

    No Time for Fascists spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 9:07 am

    “GOP Senate Candidate Wants the Media to Stop Covering ‘Sob Stories’ About Low-Income Americans”

    Republican Wisconsin U.S. Senate candidate Eric Hovde said that he is exasperated with media coverage of “sad personal stories” about Americans who have been affected by the Great Recession. Evidently tired of reading about low-income or homeless individuals unable to access basic needs, Hovde expressed his disdain for such “sob stories”.
    According to Hovde, more important issues include lowering the corporate tax rate and the national deficit.
    http://www.nationofchange.org/.....1340119018

    Typical republican.

  51. 51

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 9:08 am

    @50 Like I said, out of touch. The rich are doing fine, so all’s well. No one else matters.

  52. 52

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 9:11 am

    Here’s the “money quote” from the article linked @50:

    “Hovde’s comments come after a May 2011 study conducted by the National Journal, which reviewed how often the words ‘unemployment’ or ‘deficit’ appeared in the nation’s five largest newspapers. The findings clearly show that the deficit was covered significantly more than the unemployment in major American news outlets.”

    The guy doesn’t even know what he’s talking about. Typical Republican.

  53. 53

    Serial Conservative spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 9:32 am

    Romney leads in MI.

    Obama up by only one in IA.

    http://weaskamerica.com/2012/06/20/ia-mi/

    Oh, and that’s AFTER the immigration policy announcement by Obama. No big bounce, it seems.

  54. 54

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 9:55 am

    @53 If Romney wins, he’ll yank Obama’s restrictions on coal-fired generating plants, and I’ll make a shitload of money from the coal stocks I bought at beaten-down prices. I’d rather have cleaner air, but no matter who wins the election, I’ll get something.

  55. 55

    Rujax!...there's liars, damned liars...then there's the puddypussy. spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 10:02 am

    http://digbysblog.blogspot.com.....ce-by.html

    9/11: Deadly Republican Incompetence

    by tristero

    Within hours of the towers falling, I was on the phone with a friend in Finland who was weeping, “How could this happen?” I replied,”This is all the fault of the Bush administration. They weren’t paying attention.” For years, even confirmed liberals were saying I was hysterical, that no one could have predicted, blah, blah, blah.

    No. It was incompetence and modern conservative ideology.

    Perhaps most damning are the documents showing that the CIA had bin Laden in its cross hairs a full year before 9/11 — but didn’t get the funding from the Bush administration White House to take him out or even continue monitoring him. The CIA materials directly contradict the many claims of Bush officials that it was aggressively pursuing al-Qaida prior to 9/11, and that nobody could have predicted the attacks.
    And thousands of Americans died. Then tens if not hundreds of thousands of Afghanis and Iraqis died from further Bush/Republican incompetence. And anyone who thinks that the fallout from Bush’s 9/11, Afghan, and Iraq fiascos is over has no idea what is going on in the hearts and minds of the relatives of the people Bush – and in their minds, all of America – killed. And because 9/11 is far over, and because someone halfway competent needs to be in charge, this country cannot afford another modern Republican president. It’s too dangerous.

    Romney – who is exactly the same as Bush but without Junior’s rapier wit, work ethic or keen, probing mind- must be defeated.

    .

    tristero 6/19/2012 06:00:00 PM Comments (31)

    http://www.salon.com/2012/06/1.....singleton/

    Tuesday, Jun 19, 2012 01:24 PM PDT
    New NSA docs contradict 9/11 claims

    “I don’t think the Bush administration would want to see these released,” an expert tells Salon

    By Jordan Michael Smith

    Over 120 CIA documents concerning 9/11, Osama bin Laden and counterterrorism were published today for the first time, having been newly declassified and released to the National Security Archive. The documents were released after the NSA pored through the footnotes of the 9/11 Commission and sent Freedom of Information Act requests.

    The material contains much new information about the hunt before and after 9/11 for bin Laden, the development of the drone campaign in AfPak, and al-Qaida’s relationship with America’s ally, Pakistan. Perhaps most damning are the documents showing that the CIA had bin Laden in its cross hairs a full year before 9/11 — but didn’t get the funding from the Bush administration White House to take him out or even continue monitoring him. The CIA materials directly contradict the many claims of Bush officials that it was aggressively pursuing al-Qaida prior to 9/11, and that nobody could have predicted the attacks. “I don’t think the Bush administration would want to see these released, because they paint a picture of the CIA knowing something would happen before 9/11, but they didn’t get the institutional support they needed,” says Barbara Elias-Sanborn, the NSA fellow who edited the materials.

    Yeah.

    Raw-Money.

    FUCK YEAH!!!!

  56. 56

    Serial Conservative spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 10:13 am

    If ONLY we paid teachers more……..

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/155.....w-Low.aspx

  57. 57

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 10:18 am

    @56 If only we paid CEOs less … like in the old days when everyone had jobs that provided a decent living and our industry led the world in innovation and wealth creation … somehow, rewarding executives for failure with huge bonuses and stock options seems to have backfired. Who wudda thunk?

  58. 58

    Rujax!...there's liars, damned liars...then there's the puddypussy. spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 10:29 am

    56. Serial Conservative spews:

    If ONLY we paid teachers more……..

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/155.....w-Low.aspx

    06/20/2012 at 10:13 am

    Fuckwit got his marching orders from ‘Ol Rushbo this morning…here we go!

  59. 59

    Serial Conservative spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 10:30 am

    @ 57

    You mean, back before global trade became a factor in how business is conducted in America?

    Note to RR: We still lead the world in innovation and wealth creation. What’s different now is that fewer people are necessary to accomplish tasks now that computers and automation exist. It’s a lot harder to justify OT and six-figure gross income to UAW workers when we can get the same job done for much, much less using modern manufacturing methods and foreign labor.

  60. 60

    Rujax!...there's liars, damned liars...then there's the puddypussy. spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 10:38 am

    59. Serial Conservative spews:

    @ 57

    You mean, back before global trade became a factor in how business is conducted in America?

    Note to RR: We still lead the world in innovation and wealth creation. What’s different now is that fewer people are necessary to accomplish tasks now that computers and automation exist. It’s a lot harder to justify OT and six-figure gross income to UAW workers when we can get the same job done for much, much less using modern manufacturing methods and foreign labor.

    06/20/2012 at 10:30 am

    Yeah…another Freidmanesque asshole who doesn’t get that shipping jobs out of the country guarantees a shitty economy.

    Brilliant!

  61. 61

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 10:58 am

    @59 And how does that same rationale not apply to executive pay as well? Or are you simply a knee-jerk shill for the already-well-off?

  62. 62

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 11:00 am

    @60 Along those lines, Procter & Gamble’s stock is dropping this morning because the company can’t sell as much of its products, because people don’t have jobs or money to spend. Who would ever have thought that reducing the middle class to poverty would hurt businesses’ sales? Gee, do you think a 12-year-old could have guessed that, so why didn’t hundreds of CEOs figure it out?

  63. 63

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 11:01 am

    P&G, btw, is a good buy at 60 bucks if you have money to invest.

  64. 64

    Steve spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 11:22 am

    “It’s a lot harder to justify OT and six-figure gross income to UAW workers when we can get the same job done for much, much less using modern manufacturing methods and foreign labor.”

    Of course, there’s no stopping with cars. A Whirlpool washing machine and dryer are now made in Mexico, Benton Harbor has lost it’s factory, it goes broke, then Republicans put an Emergency Manager in charge of the town who then gives away the town’s waterfront park to Whirlpool so they can build three golf holes and a parking lot as part of a fancy resort for the 1%. The residents of Benton Harbor, who no longer have Whirlpool factory jobs, are left to compete for minimum wage jobs changing the spoiled bed sheets of rich Republicans staying at the resort.

    That’s a wonderful vision that you Republicans have for the future of America’s working class. You really ought to lay it out in a campaign commercial and see how it plays.

  65. 65

    Steve spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 11:27 am

    Bob sez, “fucking” “fucking” “fucking” “fucking” “fucking” “clown” “clown” “clown” “clown” “clown” “fucking” “fucking” “fucking” “fucking” “fucking” “clown” “clown” “clown” “clown” “clown”

    Geez, Bob, isn’t it about time you posted another comment complaining how I swear too much and call you names?

  66. 66

    Serial Conservative spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 11:39 am

    @ 62

    Way to misunderstand an announcement. P&G is growing – organic sales growing 2-3%. They aren’t growing as fast as they originally predicted but they’re growing, not selling less.

    A major reason for their lowered guidance is foreign exchange effects. A strengthened US dollar hurts a company with a lot of foreign sales.

    Net sales for the quarter are expected to be down 1% to 2% as foreign exchange is expected to reduce them by 4%, Mr. McDonald said.

    http://www.marketwatch.com/sto.....2012-06-20

    Learn to read more than the headline, maybe. Would save you some embarrassment.

  67. 67

    ArtFart spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 11:40 am

    @2 Well, frankly this Congress (or at least the Republican part of it) is eminently worthy of contempt.

  68. 68

    Serial Conservative spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 12:20 pm

    Yesterday it was Sean Trende @7.

    Today Nate Silver points out pretty much the same thing:

    http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.n.....38;emc=rss

    Obama’s immigration thing doesn’t directly affect much swing-state Hispanic populace. A lot of blue-collar voters who might now have to compete with non-citizen aliens might be affected, tho.

    Any thoughts on what he was thinking? Did he merely need to pre-empt Rubio? Did he do it for the donations? Does he think it will swing FL? Is he counting that heavily on NV and NM, and perhaps CO, that he thought this would be a winner for him?

    Anyone? Darryl? Bueller?

  69. 69

    YLB spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 12:27 pm

    Watch Bob and the rest of troll brigade have a meltdown:

    Barack Obama has opened a significant lead over Mitt Romney in a Bloomberg National Poll that reflects the presumed Republican nominee’s weaknesses more than the president’s strengths.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/.....touch.html

    Turnout will be crucial to beating this cretin Mitt (R-Money) who “understands” “vulture capitalism”..

    That ODS is a cruel mistress.

  70. 70

    No Time for Fascists spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 12:27 pm

    Confidence Public Schools New Low
    The key question is WHY. The poll did not go into that.

    If ONLY we paid teachers more.
    Finally! we agree on something!
    Now can we agree on more of them, so we can have a smaller class size per teacher?

  71. 71

    kim jong chillin spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 12:34 pm

    Rger the clown rabbit thinks we should light on child molesters it seems……

    Why is that roger? You got a past your trying to cover up?

  72. 72

    YLB spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 12:37 pm

    Senate Republicans and some vichy Dems want to take “cake” from the mouths of some household’s kids:

    Trimming back on eligibility for the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, or SNAP, as food stamps are called, would save $4 billion over the decade. Republicans are pushing to reduce that even more….

    The average household using food stamps has a monthly income of $731 and receives $287 in SNAP benefits, the budget office said. Three-fourths of the households include a child, a disabled person or someone older than 60.

    http://www.latimes.com/news/na.....7959.story

    This ought to make trolls like little maxie asshat feeeeeell reeeaal goood..

  73. 73

    No Time for Fascists spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 12:44 pm

    @72. They don’t care.

  74. 74

    Serial Conservative spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 12:45 pm

    Yes, please, let’s give food stamps out so that people can sell them at a discount and go gamble with the proceeds, or use them to buy non-essential items deleterious to their health.

    The bill also would ban anyone who has substantial lottery or gambling winnings from receiving food stamps, and prevent stores that primarily sell liquor or tobacco from accepting SNAP benefits as payment.

  75. 75

    Ekim spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 12:46 pm

    68. Serial Conservative spews:

    Obama’s immigration thing doesn’t directly affect much swing-state Hispanic populace.

    “Obama’s immigration thing” is reverberating through the Hispanic communities. So what has Mittens offered them?

    Self Deportation

    “BY DECLARING that “self-deportation” is the solution to illegal immigration, Mitt Romney gave voice to an idea in wide currency among Republicans — that America’s 11 million undocumented immigrants would simply go home if government made their lives miserable enough.”

    Now that is a home run…

  76. 76

    YLB spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 12:49 pm

    Wow the trolls like the “smellin'” Klown don’t want to talk about Operation Wide Receiver:

    http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpoi.....candal.php

    Heh.. This is too funny:

    In the wake of that evidence, Judiciary Committee Chairman Rep. Lamar Smith (R-TX) — who has left most of the investigation into “Fast and Furious” to Oversight Committee Chairman Darrell Issa (R-CA) — sent a letter to President Barack Obama asking for a special counsel to be appointed. This isn’t Smith’s first time at the requesting special counsel rodeo: he’s also asked for someone to look into ACORN, the New Black Panther Party case and the White House’s interaction with Rep. Joe Sestak.

    Just more politically motivated right wing trash.

  77. 77

    Serial Conservative spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 12:51 pm

    @ 75

    Contrast that with Obama, who has touted an increase in deportations as one of his administration’s successes.

    Is it better if they are thrown out than if they leave on their own, Ekim?

  78. 78

    YLB spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 12:56 pm

    War on women??? Sheesh stop complaining liberals, that’s been the GOP’s jobs plan all along!

    http://open.salon.com/blog/ard.....n_revealed

    Just keep the little ladies, barefoot, pregnant and at home! The most traditional of right wing values.

  79. 79

    Rujax!...there's liars, damned liars...then there's the puddypussy. spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 1:04 pm

    77. Serial Conservative spews:

    @ 75

    Contrast that with Obama, who has touted an increase in deportations as one of his administration’s successes.

    Is it better if they are thrown out than if they leave on their own, Ekim?

    06/20/2012 at 12:51 pm

    http://thinkprogress.org/polit.....on-policy/

    VIDEO: How Romney Avoids Direct Questions On Obama’s Immigration Policy

    By Jeff Spross on Jun 20, 2012 at 3:55 pm

    President Obama’s recent decision to protect many undocumented young people from deportation has put Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney in a bind. A poll of likely voters found that only 30 percent disapprove of the President’s new policy. At the same time, Romney has explicitly stated he would veto the DREAM Act, legislation that would enshrine into law a policy very similar to what President Obama has been able to temporarily achieve with his directive.

    So when Romney has been repeatedly asked whether he would continue Obama’s policy as president, he’s done everything possible to avoid answering the question. Watch it:

    Romney?

    REALLY???

  80. 80

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 3:54 pm

    Trying to gin up an election-year scandal from thin air, a GOP-controlled committee voted today along strict party lines to recommend the full House hold Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt of Congress — after he offered to give them the documents they want.

    http://nbcpolitics.msnbc.msn.c.....andal?lite

    Roger Rabbit Commentary: As cynical as I already am about politicians in general and Republicans specifically, this is a new low in partisan grandstanding. It’s equivalent to the anonymous coward who dumped manure on Goldy’s front lawn because he doesn’t like Goldy’s politics.

  81. 81

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 3:57 pm

    Lack of health insurance kills 26,000 Americans a year — twice as many as are killed by drunk drivers — but Republicans still don’t want all Americans to have health insurance.

    http://www.cnbc.com/id/47892358

  82. 82

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 4:00 pm

    @74 “Yes, please, let’s give food stamps out so that people can sell them at a discount and go gamble with the proceeds, or use them to buy non-essential items deleterious to their health.”

    No, let’s give them out so people don’t have to starve in America, the richest country in human history, because the capitalist system is incapable of employing everyone who needs and wants work.

    I suppose it never occurs to you that most people who receive food stamps use them to buy food so they can eat. Asshole.

  83. 83

    Michael spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 4:34 pm

    Right wing blowhard extraordinaire George Nethercutt likes bikes!

    I completed a seven-day cycling trip last month of the Netherlands and parts of Germany. A noticeable aspect of the trip was the startling number of bicycle travelers Holland boasts. Most cities throughout the Netherlands contain some auto parking garages but many bicycle parking garages for commuters, workers and students — huge facilities that house tens of thousands of bicycles. Roadways are filled with cyclists of all ages. Particularly notable were elderly cyclists whizzing along the trail ways of Holland at all hours of the day. Dedicated roadways for bicycling abound. Bicycles are the most common form of transportation for the Dutch, and their statistics show it — low heart-disease rates, low auto-death rates and low physician-per- 1000-population rates. It’s hard to spot an obese Dutchman in a shopping mall or walking on any busy street.

    …
    Riding bicycles is good for the human condition, and many Americans would benefit from cycling more and eating less. Disconnecting ourselves from high dependence on the automobile can be therapeutic and healthy — and can impact the obesity problem in America as well as help shape the content of the contentious debate about government health care spending.
    …
    With high costs for gasoline and liability insurance for automobiles, it makes economic sense to reduce auto use in favor of the health and financial benefits of bike-riding whenever possible.
    http://www.inlander.com/spokan.....dutch.html

  84. 84

    Gman spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 4:49 pm

    American Exceptional-ism. Max should be proud of this White trash. Just think these kids were formed from the miracle of fornication.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....12925.html

  85. 85

    Gman spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 4:59 pm

    @36 – Roger you are a smart man, I’m surprised you haven’t made the connection yet that you need to keep guns out of the hands of Heterosexuals, or bats and knives. They have a tendency to solve things with violence. They particularly like killing their own families at most times.

  86. 86

    Gman spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 5:01 pm

    @37 – you are a real rocket scientist – Socially dysfunctional.

  87. 87

    who run Bartertown? spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 5:03 pm

    84. Gman spews:
    American Exceptional-ism. Max should be proud of this White trash. Just think these kids were formed from the miracle of fornication.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....12925.html

    06/20/2012 AT 4:49 PM

    Dude, really. We have already gone over how your life has gone so sideways – do we need to repeat it all over again?

    time for you to head back to the therapist.

  88. 88

    who run Bartertown? spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 5:04 pm

    86. Gman spews:
    @37 – you are a real rocket scientist – Socially dysfunctional.

    06/20/2012 AT 5:01 PM

    Interesting comment coming from somone who spews that all heterosexuals are murderers….lol

    Self, meet Hartred. Hatred, meet Self. You two run along and have fun in gmans head….

  89. 89

    Puddybud spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 5:11 pm

    From the rujax link on 9/11

    Perhaps most damning are the documents showing that the CIA had bin Laden in its cross hairs a full year before 9/11 — but didn’t get the funding from the Bush administration White House to take him out or even continue monitoring him.

    That would be September 2000. Bush took office January 2001.

    PuddyMoral of the story: rujax doesn’t proofread his worthless drivel!

    rujax ain’t no rocket scientist…

    Yeah.

    Clinton scared.

    FUCK YEAH!!!! [rujax words]

  90. 90

    Puddybud spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 5:17 pm

    Roger DUMB Wabbit said

    @29 “Nope! …”

    PROVE IT otherwise!!!!!

  91. 91

    Puddybud spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 5:18 pm

    I love it… Now Fast and Furious is Obummer’s problem.

    Gotta look at this through a new lens! Brian Terry was killed on Obummer’s watch with a weapon let loose on on Obummer’s watch.

  92. 92

    Puddybud spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 5:27 pm

    On a lighter note, here’s a point about rujax… Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.

    That’s rujax!

    Wait for it… copy cats will appear

  93. 93

    Puddybud spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 5:34 pm

    Gotta love the Fraggy Friends in Oakland…

    COMMENTARY | Liberals and conservatives do not often come together to support a common cause, but the opposing groups did unite last week during the H.E.A.T. (Human Exploitation and Trafficking) Conference in Oakland. An event designed to aid in the eradication of sex worker trafficking would not seem to be the type of gathering Occupy Wall Street (OWS) would protest – but it was. The primary focus of the gathering was for law enforcement agencies, political leaders and child safety advocates to work together to form a cohesive plan to catch criminals who prey upon the weakest members of society and then essentially enslave them in the sex trade, The Blaze reports.

    Members of the Occupy Oakland group went beyond sign carrying and chanting when attempting to rush into the conference center and disrupt the meeting. Eggs were thrown and fog horns blared as OWS members tried to push their way through the doors. The messages on the sign baffled event organizers and spectators alike. Some homemade signs compared the attempted prosecution of sex workers to racism and stated the police “patriarchy” should not have control in sexual matters. At least one sign declared the carrier was a “sex worker and proud of it.”

    Copy the link and remove the spaces. Otherwise the filter stops the link from processing on the blog!

  94. 94

    Puddybud spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 5:37 pm

    Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

    Has anyone ever met rujax and heard him speak?

  95. 95

    Puddybud spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 5:40 pm

    More interesting Fraggy Occupy news

    United Nations officials are using American taxpayers’ money, which subsidizes UN operations, to put their noses into the treatment of Occupy Wall Street protesters in various cities across the United States.

    In a letter written to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton by Frank La Rue, UN special rapporteur on the promotion and protection of the right to freedom of opinion and expression, and Maina Kiai, UN special rapporteur on the rights to freedom of peaceful assembly and of association, the UN officials demanded an explanation of “the behavior of police departments that violently disbanded some Occupy protests last fall.”

  96. 96

    Rujax!...there's liars, damned liars...then there's the puddypussy. spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 5:44 pm

    Poor little puddypussy.

    Still believes in teh majick jeebus and ellen white.

    Poor poor little sap.

  97. 97

    Rujax!...there's liars, damned liars...then there's the puddypussy. spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 5:48 pm

    Liars and bigots like the puddypussy go straight to hell.

    teh jeebus don’t truck with the likes of the puddypussy.

  98. 98

    Rujax!...there's liars, damned liars...then there's the puddypussy. spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 5:51 pm

    More evidence that the feckless Cheney/Bush Administration ignored ALL warning signs about 9/11.

    History ain’t gonna be kind to shrub and the shooter…liars and thieves they are.

    Shame puddypussy…shame on you for supporting those killers.

    Shame.

  99. 99

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 5:52 pm

    New Poll Shows Stunning Obama Lead

    A brand new Bloomberg poll shows voters prefer President Obama to what-iz-name by a 16-point margin, and voters believe Obama is better on the economy by an equal margin.

    http://video.msnbc.msn.com/mit...../#47896043

  100. 100

    Puddybud spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 5:53 pm

    Liars and bigots like the puddypussy go straight to hell.

    And you know this how rujax? Oh yeah your life is HELL!

    See ya!

  101. 101

    Puddybud spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 5:54 pm

    More evidence that the feckless Cheney/Bush Administration ignored ALL warning signs about 9/11.

    Yeah, September 2000. Yeah, the ignored in on the campaign trail before winning.

  102. 102

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 5:55 pm

    Why Issa’s Contempt Citation Is Toothless

    ” … [I]f this does end up in court, it could take up to two years to resolve, given the time for a trial and subsequent appeals. However, a contempt citation is valid only during the Congress which approved it … so if the issue was still in the courts when this Congress ends in a year and a half, the contempt citation would evaporate ….”

    http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com.....-what?lite

  103. 103

    Puddybud spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 6:04 pm

    The Fast and Furious hiding scandal. I like it. Why are they hiding behind executive privilege. Go back to March 19, 2007 with Obummer and Bush executive privilege.

    In March 2007, Obama – then an Illinois senator – appeared on CNN’s Larry King Show. “You know,” he said, “There’s been a tendency on the part of this administration to try to hide behind executive privilege every time there’s something a little shaky that’s taking place … I think the American people deserve to know what was going on there.”

  104. 104

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 6:06 pm

    North Carolina legislators have refused to pay compensation to victims of the state’s forced-sterilization program. The program would have paid each surviving victim $50,000 and could have cost the state up to $100 million. But the GOP-controlled legislature refused to appropriate a single penny. One victim, who was forcibly sterilized after being raped, says she’s going to sue the state.

    http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com.....-what?lite

    Roger Rabbit Commentary: I hope she gets $5 million and they take it out of the legislators’ pay.

  105. 105

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 6:08 pm

    @103 “Why are they hiding behind executive privilege.”

    I already explained that at #80, dummy. Can’t you read?

  106. 106

    Rujax! spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 6:40 pm

    @105…

    They want to fuck with low wattage crapheads like the puddypussy.

  107. 107

    Puddybud spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 6:47 pm

    @80 & @103,

    EPIC FAYLE… From the Wall Street Journal

    Mr. Holder said Mr. Issa rejected his offer to provide documents because the lawmaker wouldn’t agree that they would fulfill the subpoena, effectively ending the contempt threat. Mr. Issa said the attorney general didn’t come prepared to provide documents and that the contempt threat can’t be removed until the documents are produced.

    See ya Roger DUMB Wabbit. Holder didn’t even come prepared with the documents!

    EPIC FAYLE!

  108. 108

    Puddybud spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 6:48 pm

    Do not argue with an idiot like rujax. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.

    Oh he has many years of experience.

  109. 109

    YLB spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 7:12 pm

    83 – George “Term Limits” Nethercutt – who’d a thunk he’d fit in with the green Seattle bicycling crowd?

  110. 110

    YLB spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 7:15 pm

    Rujax – Great job staying in these moron trolls’ crap heads..

    They are OBSESSED with you.

  111. 111

    YLB spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 7:18 pm

    Oh yeah still no knock-knock on my door from the flunkies of Agent Scully-Jack..

    Musta been just more right wing bullshit from PuddyMakeUpShit..

  112. 112

    Michael spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 7:19 pm

    @109

    George “Term Limits” Nethercutt – who’d a thunk he’d fit in with the green Seattle bicycling crowd?

    I know.

    But, isn’t it great watching the right fall apart. Now one of their hero’s is even talking up bicycles!

  113. 113

    Puddybud spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 8:19 pm

    They are OBSESSED with you

    Obsessed? No we feel sorry for him. He and you are the best of HA libtard dopes!

  114. 114

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 8:26 pm

    @107 You think the Attorney General of the United States carries a filing cabinet with him? Geez, putz, your arguments keep getting dumber and dumber … if that’s possible.

  115. 115

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 8:27 pm

    @108 “He will drag you down to his level …”

    That’s not possible.

  116. 116

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 8:35 pm

    Remember ‘Joe the Plumber’? The guy wanted on traffic warrants in Arizona doing unlicensed plumber work in Ohio who lied about owning a plumbing business and making $250K a year?

    Joe’s trying to get a job as a congressman, which is a step down in the world, even for him. And congressional candidaes, especially Republicans, will say any damn thing to get people to vote for them.

    He’s running an ad that compares gun control to Nazism.

    http://seattletimes.nwsource.c.....caust.html

  117. 117

    Puddybud spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 8:47 pm

    You think the Attorney General of the United States carries a filing cabinet with him?

    What century you living in Roger DUMB Wabbit? A 16 Gigabyte thumb drive is all that’s necessary? Maybe 2.

    Sheesh, that is one DUMB Wabbit!

  118. 118

    Puddybud spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 8:57 pm

    “These Guys Taking Pot Shots at Ann Romney’s MS Therapy Are Horses’ Asses” – Multiple Sclerosis Sufferer Neil Cavuto!

    Yep, and the WA State HorsesAsses love PMSNBC!

    Ann Romney deals with her MS riding horses. It’s called hippotherapy, some call it dressage, but at its core for MS patients, it refers to the use of horseback riding as a treatment for medical conditions namely for treating walking difficulties. Neurologists have long debated whether riding around on horses is a cure for MS, but many firmly believe it helps relieve some of the very real symptoms of MS.

    Kudos to Neil Cavuto. Lawrence O’Donnell is a prime time ASS that hardly anyone watches.

  119. 119

    Serial Conservative spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 9:08 pm

    Thanks, Barack:

    On Wednesday, the Federal Reserve projected more sluggish growth and high unemployment ahead. The Fed said its last forecast back in April was too optimistic.

    The Fed’s projection has changed for next year. It had expected growth in the economy to be as little as 2.7 percent. But on Wednesday, the Fed revised that down to as little 2.2 percent growth. In April, the Fed had also projected unemployment might stay as high as 7.7 percent– it revised that up to 8.0 Wednesday.

    …

    In lowering its forecasts for hiring, the Fed estimates the unemployment rate, now 8.2 percent, will have barely dropped by the end of this year — and even two years from now, by the end of 2014, will have dropped less than a percentage point.

    …

    Job growth has slowed sharply in recent months, and a new survey of CEOs shows fewer companies plan to hire in the next half year. About 36 percent say they’ll add workers, down from 42 percent in the last survey.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18.....stay-high/

  120. 120

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 9:17 pm

    @117 When did the federal government upgrade to paperless offices?

  121. 121

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 9:20 pm

    @118 The rich treat MS by riding $250K dressage horses. Everybody else takes $2 pills and hopes for the best.

  122. 122

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 9:21 pm

    I wonder if the Romneys claim a medical deduction for her dressage treatment? That would be pretty (choose one)
    [ ] ingenious [ ] ingenuous.

  123. 123

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 9:26 pm

    I KNEW IT!!!

    “The Romneys declared a loss of $77,000 on their 2010 tax returns for the share in the care and feeding of Rafalca, which Mrs. Romney owns with Mr. Ebeling’s wife, Amy, and a family friend, Beth Meyers.”
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06.....;seid=auto

  124. 124

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 9:29 pm

    To be fair, the dressage horse deduction was worth only 50 bucks in 2010, but the tax code allows carrying forward losses so this expense may yet produce a big tax writeoff in the future.

    http://www.slate.com/blogs/mon.....falca.html

  125. 125

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 9:30 pm

    Must be nice to give your wife a hobby like that. I wonder how many workers lost their jobs to pay for it?

  126. 126

    Puddybud spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 10:07 pm

    Yes Roger DUMB Rabbit, YOU ARE an ASShole.

    Decade after decade the elegant final journey through winding roads of Arlington National Cemetery has been the last service the Caisson Platoon of the 3rd Infantry (The Old Guard) has given its comrades in arms. But from May 12 to June 2, 2006, they have helped wounded warriors from Iraq and Afghanistan improve their balance, coordination and hone other valuable physical therapy skills.

    Why do you hate injured soldiers Roger DUMB Wabbit?

    Therapeutic Riding is a treatment for rehabilitating a range of physical, mental, and emotional disabilities. PATH certified instructors use the horse as an instructional tool to teach riding skills and reach individualized goals and objectives. Conditions served include: cerebral palsy, spina bifida, neuromuscular disorders, post-traumatic brain injury, autism, ADHD, and cognitive disorders. Riders see an overall improvement in their quality of life. They experience improved self-confidence, strength, balance, coordination, attention span, and language and social skills.

    Why do you hate people with cerebral palsy, spina bifida, neuromuscular disorders, post-traumatic brain injury, autism, ADHD, and cognitive disorders Roger DUMB Wabbit?

  127. 127

    Puddybud spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 10:08 pm

    When did the federal government upgrade to paperless offices?

    Who knows Roger DUMB Wabbit, but you stooooooooooopidly suggested a file cabinet, so 20th century!

    HAHAHAHAHAHA!

  128. 128

    Puddybud spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 10:10 pm

    Why does Roger DUMB Wabbit pick on the little people?

  129. 129

    Puddybud spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 10:13 pm

    On another note Good Morning America is kicking the Today show. They are looking to dispose of libtard Ann Curry.

    Well maybe they’ll choose someone more balanced.

  130. 130

    Michael spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 10:20 pm

    @126
    Your first link goes to an Army program, your second link goes to a NONPROFIT.

  131. 131

    Michael spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 10:24 pm

    Good for Ann Romney for being pro-active in treating her MS, but the Romney’s don’t need a tax break to be able to do that.

  132. 132

    Michael spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 10:28 pm

    @119

    Neither party and nearly no one in the private sector has come to terms with the end of cheap oil and the end of Americans buying shit they don’t need with money they don’t have. Obama’s hardly alone in his guilt and if the McCain/Palin were in charge we’d be in the same place or worse.

    It’s a new world and everyone one in places of power is still stuck in the old world.

  133. 133

    Michael spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 10:31 pm

    @121
    The Romney’s could have donated a bunch of money to a horse therapy program so lots of people could ride horses and used the horses at the therapy program that they helped support.

  134. 134

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 10:56 pm

    @127 “Who knows”

    You don’t.

  135. 135

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 11:05 pm

    @132 Everyone in the financial world understands the Fed’s action today of extending “Operation Twist” is a sop that will have no effect on the economy. Lower interest rates won’t stimulate the economy at this point because people and businesses who are deleveraging aren’t going to incur new indebtedness for increased consumption no matter how favorable the interest rates are. The main effect of artificially low interest rates is to save the government a mountain of money on servicing public debt, which makes me suspect that’s what all this quantitative easing is really for.

  136. 136

    who run Bartertown? spews:

    Wednesday, 6/20/12 at 11:49 pm

    110. YLB spews:
    Rujax – Great job staying in these moron trolls’ crap heads..

    They are OBSESSED with you.

    06/20/2012 AT 7:15 PM

    and there we have the courtesy reach-around..

    two of the boards biggest idiots man-crushign on each other…

    aint love grand…

  137. 137

    Puddybud spews:

    Thursday, 6/21/12 at 4:53 am

    Your first link goes to an Army program, your second link goes to a NONPROFIT.

    And you point is Michael?

  138. 138

    Puddybud spews:

    Thursday, 6/21/12 at 4:54 am

    You don’t.

    And neither do you, but you’ll always speculate something mundane and stoooooooooooopid won’t ya?

  139. 139

    Puddybud spews:

    Thursday, 6/21/12 at 4:59 am

    @132,

    But Roger, it’s another brazen attempt to keep Obummer in power by projecting command and control, like the military leakage events to the NY Slimes.

  140. 140

    Puddybud spews:

    Thursday, 6/21/12 at 5:12 am

    Wasn’t Eric Holder involved in the scumbag Marc Rich pardon?

    Yes he was!

  141. 141

    Puddybud spews:

    Thursday, 6/21/12 at 5:22 am

    Didn’t Holder work on clemency for 16 members of the violent terrorist groups Fuerzas Armadas de Liberacion Nacional (FALN) and Los Macheteros?

    Yes he did!

  142. 142

    george spews:

    Thursday, 6/21/12 at 5:38 am

    Did you check out the details of the “Selzer” poll Bloomberg paid for that shows Obama ahead of Romney by 13 points? What a waste of time and joke, but it will help you analysts justify Romney has no chance. Virtually all other polls have it between +/- 2points. I read a while back a discussion about polls so far outside the normal that they lack any credibility. Read the details yourself.
    http://media.bloomberg.com/bb/avfile/rQyA68BW5P20

  143. 143

    george spews:

    Thursday, 6/21/12 at 6:36 am

    It looks like Romney is going to end up having more $$ than Obama. That’s never happened before where an incumbent was beaten in the fundraising. It also looks like that $1 Billion the Obama camp was floating around last year isn’t materializing.

    The national campaigns backing President Obama and Republican challenger Mitt Romney are drawing even in their fundraising prowess, but new financial filings released show that the “super” political committees supporting the GOP candidate and his party are widening the money gap over struggling pro-Democratic party organizations.
    The main pro-Romney super PAC, Restore Our Future, on Wednesday reported raising $8 million in May, giving it a total of $64 million so far. The group spent more than $55 million to defeat Romney’s opponents during the GOP primary, and it is now reaping high-dollar financial aid from both veteran Romney supporters and from donors who once backed his rivals.
    A political committee backing Obama, Priorities USA Action, posted its strongest one-month total by raking in $4 million in May, a sign that Democrats had begun digging deep into their wallets after months of hesitance. But the pro-Obama group was still left in the dust — not only by the Restore committee’s strong performance but also by the latest tally from American Crossroads, a Republican super PAC formed by GOP strategist Karl Rove. It raised $4.6 million in May.
    After early months that saw Obama reach impressive fundraising totals echoing his campaign’s record-breaking $750 million haul in 2008, the changing calculus raises the prospect that he could become the first incumbent president outspent by his challenger. Romney’s national campaign joined with the Republican Party in May to raise more than $76 million, outpacing Obama and the Democrats’ $60 million haul during the same period.

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