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DLBottle Please join us tonight for drinks, conversation, and dinner at the Seattle Chapter of Drinking liberally.

We meet at the Montlake Ale House, 2307 24th Avenue E. Starting time is 8:00 pm, but a few folks show up earlier for dinner.

Last week we had a terrific turn-out for state Rep. Roger Goodman (D-45 LD), who is running for Congress in Washington’s 1st CD, the seat currently held by Rep. Jay Inslee. We also had first-hand reports from folks who attended a public hearing on King County Transit service cuts.


Can’t make it tonight? Drinking Liberally Tacoma meets on Thursday, July 21 at the Hub Restaurant. Starting time is 7:00pm. And with 230 chapters of Living Liberally, including seven chapters in Washington state, chances are good there’s one near you.

Comments

  1. 1

    By 8pm we should have Wisconsin election results. This isn’t a real important election, it’s a primary to choose the Republican candidates to oppose two of the Democratic state senators facing recall, and a general election for the third Democratic senator facing recall, which he should win easily.

  2. 2

    Nikki Haley, the Republican governor of S. Carolina, bragged that she had brought in 10,000 jobs to the state in her first six months in office.

    The problem is, as media reports showed, 4,000 jobs were with Wal-Mart (low wages, no benefits), and the great majority of the jobs had already been arranged before she came into office, or were announced but wouldn’t be filled for years to come.

    In other words, her stats were meaningless.

    But she didn’t apologize, she just blasted the media for their “negative reporting” of her administration.

    Governor Blasts Media

    Why do Republicans have so much trouble with facts?

  3. 3

    I somehow managed to overlook the fact that Ryan Mellow is up for re-election to the Tacoma city council this fall. Mellow’s a good solid progressive, he’s young, and he’s an urbanist and I wish him the best of luck.
    http://www.ryanmello.com/

  4. 4

    @3
    When the Realtors and the Sierra Club can agree on and endorse the same guy, you know you’ve got a good one.

    http://www.ryanmello.com/index.....;Itemid=48
    Endorsements, Tacoma City Council 2011

    Tacoma Firefighters, Local 31

    International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers 483

    Tacoma-Pierce County Association of Realtors

    The Victory Fund

    Mayor Marilyn Strickland

    Tacoma City Council Member Jake Fey

    Tacoma City Council Member Victoria Woodards

    Former Tacoma City Council Member Bill Evans

    County Council Member Rick Talbert

    State Representative Laurie Jinkins

    Metro Parks Tacoma Commissioners Krystal Kyer, Larry Dahl, Tim Reid, and Aaron Pointer.

    Council Member Lauren Walker

    Pierce County Executive Pat McCarthy

    Pierce County Democrats

    Pierce County Young Democrats

    Sierra Club, Tatoosh Group

  5. 5

    Wisconsin Election Results

    Early returns contain no surprises, and none of the races are close.

    In the first of 9 recall elections, Democratic state senator Dave Hansen is crushing his Republican opponent, 69% – 31%, with 56% of precincts reported.

    In northern Wisconsin, a well-funded business owner and Tea Party leader who ran TV ads for weeks is defeating a GOP county board chairman 65% – 35%, with 16% of precincts counted, in a primary to choose the GOP candidate to face Democratic state senator Jim Holperin in the Aug. 16 general election.

    In southeast Wisconsin, a Republican attorney is defeating a former sheriff who has run as a Democrat in the past, 60% – 40%, in a primary to choose the GOP candidate to face Democratic state senator Robert Wirch in the Aug. 16 general election.

    Last week, primaries were held to choose Democratic candidates challenging the 6 Republican state senators facing recall; that election will be on Aug. 9.

  6. 6

    Another GOP ‘Family Values’ Hypocrite

    Here’s an interesting factoid about Kim Simac, the winner of today’s GOP recall primary in northern Wisconsin.

    Her website says, “I believe in the preservation of the family and traditional family values, and will fight for legislation to protect them.”

    Now get this. Simac filed for divorce against her ex-husband the same day her current husband filed for divorce against his ex-wife, and the cases have consecutive court case numbers.

    As a Wisconsin liberal blog put it, “While there’s no telling whether Simac and her current husband walked into the courthouse hand-in-hand to file for divorce from their respective spouses, I can just see that being the case.”

    Er, should we call this “spouse swapping?”

    http://bloggingblue.com/2011/0.....hypocrisy/

  7. 7

    Fuckers!

    http://dc.streetsblog.org/2011.....l-outline/
    What Bipartisanship Hath Wrought: Zilch for Bike-Ped in Senate Bill Outline
    by Tanya Snyder on July 19, 2011

    The Senate EPW Committee just posted a transportation bill outline on their website, and despite previous assurances by committee chair Barbara Boxer (D-CA), there appears to be no dedicated funding for bicycling and pedestrian programs in the bill.

    Which is why we shouldn’t bother to support these fuckers any more. Yes, the Republicans are worse, but these fuckers are bad enough that it’s worth pulling our support and risking getting a 1 term Republican in there. Fuckem’ they’re a bunch of feckless & corrupt, fucking, fuckers.

  8. 8

    @7 “No dedicated funding” doesn’t necessarily mean “no funding.” Keep in mind the ranking member of this committee is GOP Sen. James Inhofe, who is against anything that doesn’t spew pollution. He probably thinks pedestrians are communists and walking is a subversive activity that should be outlawed. In the strange and wonderful world of congressional politics it’s necessary to appease, if not pander to, people like him and therefore pedestrians and bicyclists must be rhetorically snubbed. But that doesn’t mean they won’t get theirs. There are always workarounds. Boxer is neither the Devil’s Handmaiden nor a Republican (please forgive the redundancy), so be patient, and give her a chance to fudge the ped/bic funding into the budget. What do you care what the report says, as long as you get the money?

  10. 10

    Only two Wisconsin Democratic state senators are still at risk. In District 22, Sen. Robert Wirch won his 2008 election with 67% of the vote. In District 12, Sen. Jim Holperin won his 2008 election with 51% of the vote. It’s pretty obvious where the GOP will put its marbles, but they have a flawed candidate with the vulnerability described in #6 above. She’s also a Teahadist whom independents may be reluctant to voe for. So, it seems likely the Democrats are at risk for, at most, only one of their seats and have a good chance to retain all three.

    On the Republican side, at least 2 of the 6 GOP senators facing recall are considered highly vulnerable. Democrats need to win those 2 plus at least 1 more to take control of the state senate. It would be better to win 4 of the 6 seats, in case Holperin loses to Simac.

    I really can’t make book on the outcome, because I’m not familiar enough with Wisconsin politics, but I know this is going to be a hard-fought, big-money campaign — it looks like at least $20 million will be spent on those 8 races, which probably works out to something like $100 per vote. There are a lot of angry teachers and public servants out there who will go to the Democratic side. The turnout in today’s GOP primaries was light. So, I think it’s doable, but not a sure thing.

  11. 11

    @8
    Actually, I’m thinking that the way things are going the roads are going to fall apart and we’ll all be walking or biking, so it’s win, win. At least until you go to the store to by toothpaste and you can’t because the tractor-trailer that was hauling it in lost an axle on I-90.

    I’m sick of having to fudge things. That we have to fudge things and do workarounds is as much about the Democrats as it is the Republicans. Put the funding in there loud and proud or go the fuck home.

  13. 13

    Here’s a summary of what has happened so far in the Wisconsin legislative recall fracas.

    Democrats and Republicans each targeted 8 of the opposing party’s state senators for recall, a total of 16 senators. Democrats filed successful recall petitions against 6 Republicans, while Republicans field successful petitions against 3 Democrats.

    Republicans recruited “fake Democrats” to run against all 6 of the Democratic candidates challenging the 6 GOP senators facing recall, in order to turn the July 12 election into a primary and give their party’s candidates an extra month to campaign. All 6 of the “fake Democrats” were defeated, but the Republicans achieved their objective of moving the general election for the 6 GOP senators forward to Aug. 9.

    In the 3 Democrat-held senate districts, only 2 were contested primaries; the other was a general election, in which the Democratic incumbent easily held his seat. The winners of the GOP primaries in the other 2 districts will face off against those 2 incumbent Democratic senators on Aug. 16.

  15. 15

    Why not discuss how DUMMOCRAPT Businessman Steve Wynn blasts Obummer and his wealth “redistribution plans”?

    You know, MGM aside for a moment. Last year we created almost 5,000 jobs and immediately became the target of the administration. Businesses that created jobs, let alone gaming companies that created jobs, had to be no good. I mean, it is preposterous that businesses are under attack in the United States of America. Anybody that makes over $250,000 in the form of a personal income tax return is now, by Washington definition, a rich person, when everybody who has got a college degree knows that the personal income tax rate in the United States of America is the business tax of America. Every subchapter S, every individual proprietorship and every partnership in the United States of America files tax returns as individuals, and when they do, and they show that they made 2 million or 3 million or, God forbid, 4 million, they pay the income tax rate; they deduct their working expenses, their living expenses; and then they invest in a new store, a new shop, and most of the time 25% of their profits, quote, unquote, are tied up in accounts receivable or inventory. But all of the sudden, all of those people who make over 250,000 are rich folks to be fleeced. And if that’s job formation stimulation in America, I’m Mary Poppins.

    Hey, he’s a DUMMOCRAPT! http://media.ccomrcdn.com/medi....._30627.mp3

  16. 16

    @15 You don’t pay income taxes on your business expenses, dummy. The tax rate on money you spend in the business is ZERO.

  17. 17

    Actually, a small business — whether a proprietorship or Subchapter S or whatever — is such a good tax shelter that every taxpayer should have one in his spare bedroom.

  18. 18

    Oh course Roger Dumb Rabbit misses the gist of Steve Wynn’s commentary. Seems Roger misses the gist of more and more things lately!

    Did you listen to the whole thing Roger Dumb Rabbit? Probably not!

  19. 19

    @18 “the gist of Steve Wynn’s commentary”

    Which is what? That rich people don’t like paying taxes? Neither do I. So what? Do you expect all that defense spending to be free?

  20. 20

    No moron. You didn’t listen!

    Try again!

  22. 22

    Sorry Roger Dumb Rabbit, don’t change the subject. Steve Wynn DUMMOCRAPT Lover just told the world Obummer is a failure to business!

    Try again. Listen to the recording.

  24. 24

    Steve Winn’s business being robbing little old ladies of their SSI checks, helping drunks die just a little bit faster, and being in an industry that gets plenty of handouts, I can see why Mr. Winn might think that.

    Personally, I think Mr. Winn can go fuck himself.

  25. 25

    ‘Expansionary Austerity’ Explained

    Basically, the theory is that cutting spending reduces the probably of default which in turn lowers interest rates, which supports investment. In addition, less government spending implies lower future taxes and higher earnings, which “may” encourage investment and spending. A European Central Bank working paper “argues that ‘a fiscal contraction may turn out to be expansionary if the expectation channel becomes sufficiently strong.'”

    Does it work?

    “In practice … it rarely works out that way. In a recent study of 173 fiscal-policy changes in rich countries from 1978 to 2009, economists from the IMF found that cutting a country’s budget deficit by 1% of GDP typically reduces real output by about two-thirds of a percentage point and raises the unemployment rate by one-third of a percentage point. Occasionally, an economy will buck the trend.”

    http://www.economist.com/node/18956566

  27. 27

    ekim,

    What does Koch have to do with Steve Wynn ya dumb idiot? Koch doesn’t pay me moron! Did either Koch Brother call Steve Wynn and tell him to rant about Obummer?

    U R a DUMBASS!

    LMBBAO!

    Why is Koch you pat answer? Oh yeah we know where you get your marching orders from.

    How does it feel being inside a goat’s ASS ekim?

  28. 28

    Well ekim, here is my original Schultz comment but Steve Wynn was way much better!

    You are the most vile, unprofessional, and despicable member of the US House of Representatives. If you have something to say to me, stop being a coward and say it to my face, otherwise, shut the heck up. Focus on your own congressional district! – Rep Allen West to DUMMOCRAPT Rep Schultz!

    Wait for it… it was from FOX NEWS – rhp6033 will say so.

  29. 29

    You have proven repeatedly that you are not a Lady, therefore, shall not be afforded due respect from me! – Rep Allen West to DUMMOCRAPT Rep Schultz

  30. 30

    Steve Winn’s business being robbing little old ladies of their SSI checks, helping drunks die just a little bit faster, and being in an industry that gets plenty of handouts, I can see why Mr. Winn might think that.

    Prove it Michael. Drinking Steve’s Stupid Solution again? Did Steve put a gun to the old ladies’ heads? Did he buy the drinks?

    Well maybe he did. Steve Wynn is a DUMMOCRAPT lover!

  31. 31

    Notice when it really gets tough Roger Dumb Rabbit is MIA! Nothing useful on Steve Wynn’s commentary on Obummer and his job killing/job stifling policies!

  32. 32

    Yawn! More hate-filled, dumbfuck rants from the mentally deranged street corner loon. How fucking boring.

  33. 33

    @32, Hey moron, you claimed you skip over my postings so how can you make your worthless and useless claim?

    Confusion abounds when truth hits Stupid Solution Steve!

  34. 34

    zzzzzZZZZZZZZzzzz

    These dumbfuck wingnut trolls bore me to tears these days. Day after day, it’s the same old stupid, hate-filled lies. Night after night, they’re fucking goats. What a pathetic fucking life these shits live.

  35. 35

    How does it feel being inside a goat’s ASS ekim?

    I don’t know, ButtPutty. Why ask me? You’re the one with the goat fetish.

  38. 38

    Is Puddy, deeply deranged Puddy, all we have here anymore to defend wingnut nuttiness? Sad, so sad.

  40. 40

    @35-36: Here’s the proof ekim.

    Pavlov sez… Watch for the copy cat post.

  41. 41

    You know the message is right when ad hominem attacks are all they have left.

    LMBBAO!

  42. 42

    Hey ButtPutty, your proof that you are not a Koch whore is a Google search? Oh how funny. Still, it follows your tradition of not linking to anything relevant to your rants.

  43. 43

    So Puddy’s liking Alan West???? I guess it makes sense, with Puddy and West being a couple of only a handful of black Tea Party wackjobs.

    But West takes being a wackjob to a new level – he was even dismissed from his job in the military during the Bush years for being too “enthusiastic” in torturing suspects brought in for interrogation. That’s a whole NEW level of crazy!!!

    And all Wasserman-Schultz did was criticize West for his plans to cut Medicare, using the usual polite language of the House. But West doesn’t take ANY criticism lightly, and became unglued.

    I thought about posting about his tirade earlier, but I got busy. I’m really suprised that Puddy would bring up himself, it’s really just an embarrasment for West – if he is capable of being embarrased. He comes from a very conservative district, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he ended up being a one-term congressman.

  44. 44

    @22 I think it’s about time business starting blaming itself for what it has inflicted on our country. Government’s role in this mess is errors of omission, not errors of commission. And above all else, business and the rich are not being overtaxed right now — they’re paying lower taxes than at any time in living memory.

  45. 45

    So Puddy’s liking Alan West????

    Where you been rhp033?

    Regarding Schultz, her bullshittium is:

    The GOP is anti-woman

    The GOP is out to kill senior citizens,

    The GOP is wanting to bring back Jim Crow laws

    The GOP wants to treat illegal immigration as a crime

    Yeah real nice language.

  47. 47

    Puddy @ 45: I’ve heard Shultz in interviews before. She is partison (what politician isn’t?), but not rude. Your description of her position re: the GOP wanting to kill seniors is an exaggeration of her statements.

    But all in all, in looking at your list, I can’t find anything which is wrong. Except for the seniors, it’s got a solid basis in fact.

    And the only problem with the way you wrote the reference to seniors is that the GOP “wants” to kill seniors. I don’t think they want to do that. They just don’t care if their policies have that effect. It’s a question of malicious disregard, rather than active intent.

    To them, the ultimate crime isn’t doing any of the things which Wasserman-Schultz complains about. To them, the inexecusable crime is to point it out publically. That’s what earns their wrath – they are used to people being too polite to point out their shortcomings, and they become enraged when it happens.

    Kind of like the phsychopath who insists that everyone MUST believe him, just because he said so.

  49. 49

    He comes from a very conservative district

    So why would he be worried? The freakshow morons attacking him are leftists…

    Lois J. Frankel, the former mayor of West Palm Beach, Fla.

    Jen Bluestein of Emily’s List, the political action committee that backs female candidates who support abortion rights

    Steve Israel, the chairman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee

    Yeah those are the types attacking Allen West.

  50. 50

    West is a tool and a fool who upon orders will screw over his own elderly constituents in a heartbeat..

    After being humiliated in the military – this is how he returns the favor.

  51. 51

    Why are HA leftists against Allen West, a black man? If he was humiliated he would have been reduced in rank and dishonorably discharged. Neither happened. Just more excuses from leftists who can’t stand black men standing up and calling a spade a spade!

    Why are you a racist yelling loser beta boy?

    Why are you a racist rhp6033?

  53. 53

    51. Puddybud, identifying northwest liberals who elected an underexperienced man to the presidency weighed down by an oversized ego spews:

    Why are HA leftists against Allen West, a black man? If he was humiliated he would have been reduced in rank and dishonorably discharged. Neither happened. Just more excuses from leftists who can’t stand black men standing up and calling a spade a spade!

    Why are you a racist yelling loser beta boy?

    Why are you a racist rhp6033?

    07/21/2011 at 4:34 am

    He was a fucking WAR CRIMINAL you asshole.

  54. 54

    Why are HA heroes against Allen West

    Because he’s a nut and an idiot with delusions of grandeur.

    If he was humiliated he would have been reduced in rank and dishonorably discharged.

    It was either retire or that.. If he was so good, he’d still be there – firing pistols near the heads of detainees. What a piece of work!

  56. 56

    @46
    And it’s going down under Obama. Deportations are running at record rates. We’re actually busting some of the employers that use ilegal labor. So you’re supporting on this one, right?

  57. 57

    We’re actually busting some of the employers that use ilegal labor.

    Wow! If we keep doing that the the undocumented immigrant has no reason to stay right?

    Yippee! No need for Republicans to waste billions on stupid fences that don’t work:

    http://seattletimes.nwsource.c.....cation=rss

    Just fine the lawbreakers thank you very much and let the poor immigrant slobs make up their own minds.

  58. 58

    @57

    Being jobless and sucking up social servicesin the usa is still a million tmes better than being jobless in mexico.

    If you think 11 million or so mexicans are just gonna pick up and go home because they can’t get a job here then you are smoking some lees ganja.

    But then again you are a fucking dipshit operating at mediocrity. The fact is that you love it when illegals take what used to be good american jobs like roofing and carpentry because all yhou leftnuts see is another voting bloc..

  59. 59

    If you think 11 million or so mexicans are just gonna pick up and go home because they can’t get a job here

    What have you got against Mexicans? Are you bigoted against them? Ooops my bad.. Dumb question.

    Hmmm. It appears yes Dorothy they CAN be persuaded to go home:

    This stability in 2010 follows a two-year decline from the peak of 12 million in 2007 to 11.1 million in 2009 that was the first significant reversal in a two-decade pattern of growth. Unauthorized immigrants were 3.7% of the nation’s population in 2010.

    http://pewhispanic.org/reports.....portID=133

    So what are they going to do? Sell drugs? Hustle government benefits? Doing that is as illegal
    as when a right winger hires them to pad his profits from their cheap labor.

    when illegals take what used to be good american jobs like roofing and carpentry

    And who is hiring them??? Typical right wing fool – always blame the poor brown skinned shlubs trying to support their family.

    You’re such a dumbass piece of crap..

  60. 60

    @58

    http://www.nytimes.com/interac.....ref=mexico
    AGUA NEGRA, Mexico — The extraordinary Mexican migration that delivered millions of illegal immigrants to the United States over the past 30 years has sputtered to a trickle, and research points to a surprising cause: unheralded changes in Mexico that have made staying home more attractive.

    A growing body of evidence suggests that a mix of developments — expanding economic and educational opportunities, rising border crime and shrinking families — are suppressing illegal traffic as much as economic slowdowns or immigrant crackdowns in the United States.

    Here in the red-earth highlands of Jalisco, one of Mexico’s top three states for emigration over the past century, a new dynamic has emerged. For a typical rural family like the Orozcos, heading to El Norte without papers is no longer an inevitable rite of passage. Instead, their homes are filling up with returning relatives; older brothers who once crossed illegally are awaiting visas; and the youngest Orozcos are staying put.

    “I’m not going to go to the States because I’m more concerned with my studies,” said Angel Orozco, 18. Indeed, at the new technological institute where he is earning a degree in industrial engineering, all the students in a recent class said they were better educated than their parents — and that they planned to stay in Mexico rather than go to the United States.

  61. 61

    60 – Nice find..

    And it will bounce off the heads of dumbass knee-jerk right wing idiots… They’ll cling to their worthless fences, guns, detention centers and other brutal tactics.

    We’ll keep fighting the good fight with facts.

  62. 62

    I’m posting more of that article than I probably should, but the point really needs made. Illegal immigration from Mexico is stopping. Record numbers of illegals are being deported. Employers are getting busted.

    Mexico still has a lot of problems and they have what amounts to a civil war going, so I continue to support having a large border patrol and national guard presence on the Mexican border.

    http://www.nytimes.com/interac.....ref=mexico
    Douglas S. Massey, co-director of the Mexican Migration Project at Princeton, an extensive, long-term survey in Mexican emigration hubs, said his research showed that interest in heading to the United States for the first time had fallen to its lowest level since at least the 1950s. “No one wants to hear it, but the flow has already stopped,” Mr. Massey said, referring to illegal traffic. “For the first time in 60 years, the net traffic has gone to zero and is probably a little bit negative.”

    The decline in illegal immigration, from a country responsible for roughly 6 of every 10 illegal immigrants in the United States, is stark. The Mexican census recently discovered four million more people in Mexico than had been projected, which officials attributed to a sharp decline in emigration.

  63. 63

    I think posts like #58 support my idea that we no longer have a left and a right. Everyone’s some stripe of free market social democrat. What we have are early, middle, and late adopters. When it comes to immigration #58’s a late adopter. I’m probably a mid adopter on immigration.

  64. 64

    62 – What 4 out of 10 is NOT from Mexico????

    Gee where could they come from??

    Ireland?? Eastern Europe?? CANADA???

    Quick put up more fences! TASER the illegals on sight!

    Anything but harassing the “job creators”… Oh that’s “gubmint getting in the way”…

  65. 65

    # 53: “Why are you a racist rhp6033?”

    That’s laughable, on so many different levels.

    In the first place, I didn’t know West was a black man until about a week ago. I had heard about him much earlier than that, and read some of his comments, and a long time ago had concluded he was either an idiot, a jerk, or a bully. Turns out he’s a combination of all three. Being black has nothing to do with it. Idiots, jerks, and bullys come in all races. But you find many more of them in the Republican party than elsewhere.

    Second, if you could see a picture of my wife’s family reunion, you would realize how ridiculous a statement that is. We’ve got just about every race, nation and culture represented there, including whites, blacks, pacific islanders, Japanese, Koreans, Polish, etc., and I’m quite happy with that. Of course, you don’t care about such facts, you just want to throw grenades at anyone who points out your posts are idiotic and without factual bsis.

    Third, why do you pull out the race card when it suits you, but then point fingers at others when they do so? I’m sure it’s just an attempt to deflect from the fact that your defense of West was a knee-jerk reaction, and the facts show he wasn’t deserving of such a defense.

  66. 66

    Bush II is a good example of an early adopter Admin steering people in the wrong direction.

    Obama, for the most part, is a mid adopter. Most of what he’s done was inevitable (any Admin that didn’t want to tank the country would have had do the same thing) and continuations of what Bush when it was working OK.

  67. 67

    The violence on the Mexican side of the border with the U.S. is also a strong deterrent to immmigration. The mass kidnapping of immigrants and forcing them to choose between working for the cartels or getting a bullet tends to discourage the northward journey. And for those who travel from Central America through Mexico to get into the U.S., they are faced with the constant threat of beatings, theft, and rape all along the route.

    In the recent past, lots of the immigrants would come to the U.S. and plan to work for ten years or so, sending most of their wages home to their families. The plan was not to settle in the U.S., but to save enough money to build a house back home on a family plot in Mexico. But increased enforcement against employers, the current rescession, and the increased danger incurred in making the trip, and more opportunities in Mexico, have made that strategy less attractive.

    Funny – hundreds of millions of dollars spent building walls, with high-tech survellance systems supplied by Boeing and other defense contractors, failed to make much of a dent. But the immigration failed anyway, thanks in large part to George W. Bush’s economic mis-management.

    Who knew that the way to solve the immigration problem was to kill the U.S. economy? That’s like torching a house to get rid of a pest problem.

  68. 68

    @64
    A big chunk of those other 4 out of 10 come from other Latin American Countries.

    My support for a heavy presence on the Mexican border is do to the possibility of having a failed state on our southern border. It’s not about immigration other than maybe getting a big wave of folks if the Mexican government were to collapse, which I used to see as a big possibility. These days I’m thinking the Mexican government collapsing is a more remote possibility.

  69. 69

    @67

    Immigration started falling in 2000 with the election of Vicente Fox and the political and economic reforms he put in place. Also, birthrates in Mexico have been falling since around 1970 and have been barely above the replacement rate since around 2005. Mexico’s population is growing at a whopping 1.102% right now.

    I think it’s a mistake to not take seriously what’s going on in Mexico when looking at immigration #’s.

  71. 71

    Along with being a lazy shit, ylb could be the dumbest motherfucker here(aside from rujaxoff)…..ya ylb, we really have a proble with illegal canadians…dumbass.

    Like michael referenced, the other 40% are from other south american countries.

  72. 72

    71 – No illegal Canadians eh?

    Not what this says:

    About 2.5 million unauthorized migrants had come from the rest of Latin America
    in 2005, with most of those from Central America. Taken together, unauthorized
    migrants from Mexico and Latin America represented 78% of the unauthorized
    population in 2005. There were about 1.5 million unauthorized migrants from the Asian
    continent in 2005, representing about 13% of the total. Europe and Canada accounted for
    600,000, or 6%    , and Africa and other countries for about 400,000, or 3%

    http://pewhispanic.org/files/reports/61.pdf

    Don’t worry dumbshit – the geniuses are already on the case:

    http://www.nationalpost.com/ne.....id=1727873

    I guess you can call and ask for one of your beloved fences.

  73. 73

    operating at mediocrity

    LMAO!!! Your zero-content blather here really puts your dumbassery at the journeyman level – for damn sure!

  74. 74

    I knew a Canadian who was making regular visits to the U.S. to visit his fiance, a U.S. citizen. They intended to get married and live here in the U.S., but he wanted to do it legally, he just hadn’t figured out the details yet. But when he showed up at the Peace Arch border crossing yet another time, he was charged with “attempting to immigrate illegally”, warned to never come into the U.S. again without a proper visa, and deported back to Canada.

    He was surprised to find out that although you can can come and go across the border as a “tourist” who stays less than 30 days, if you are doing so for any other reason (such as to get married), you need a visa instead. But now that he has charges in the U.S. pending against him, he can’t get a visa.

    Love hurts.

  75. 75

    In the first place, I didn’t know West was a black man until about a week ago

    Then rhp6033, you are a laughable Cass Sunstein Homer Simpson malleable idiot… Have you been in a bunker?

  76. 76

    Why do you play the race card like a little schoolboy Puddybud?

    Pffffffttt…

    LMBBAO!

    You never complained when rujax played the same race card against us whom think right for Obummer.

    Question still stands: So why you attacking black congressman Allen West?

    Moron!

  78. 78

    All those clownservatards like the puddybitch are such WATB’s. Perpetual victims. SOMEBODY’s always out to get ’em.

    They own the fucking media…they run the fucking government (by default) and to hear this asswipe talk he’s WORSE than a persecuted minority.

    Maybe his mommy can change his diaper.

  79. 79

    What a dipshit a minute this “black man” rujax is. rujax, when are you gonna leave the reservation? When are you gonna think for yourself? When are you gonna stand up on your own two feet and see what you are NOT getting from DUMMOCRAPTS except hot air?

    Witness Mrs Juan Williams tell it like is was at NPR and now what she experiences at Fox News… Wait for it, rujax will now attack her too!

  80. 80

    76 – West is a tool and a fool who just lied that he apologized to Debbie Wasserman Schultz.

    He’s making a total ass of himself. He’s got one termer written all over him.

    See any gripe about his skin color here moron?

  82. 82

    51. ButtPutty the Koch whore spews:
    Why are HA leftists against Allen West, a black man?

    Why is ButtPutty against Obama, a black man?
    And why does ButtPutty smell so bad?

  84. 84

    @76. Puddybud, identifying northwest liberals who elected an underexperienced man to the presidency weighed down by an oversized ego spews:
    Question still stands: So why you attacking black congressman Allen West?
    —————————–
    It is fear. Some of these America-hating racist leftists realize that they are sitting on a powder keg with blacks. Dems have been waging genetic genocide against blacks for years through a welfare system which encourages the laziest and stupidest black welfare mamas to have the most children, and you probably know more about that than anyone else here. Dems want blacks on the Democrat welfare plantation voting Democrat, and fear men like Allen West who have the guts to tell blacks what is being done to them by the Dems.

  85. 85

    West is a tool and a fool who just lied that he apologized to Debbie Wasserman Schultz.

    Wrong again moron yelling loser boi. Stop reading kook-aid sites!

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    And why does ButtPutty smell so bad?

    Thanks goat lover ekim. You continue to prove my point with ad hominem attacks.

    You were nothing. You are nothing. You have nothing. You will continue to be nothing.

    LMBBAO!

  87. 87

    Along with being a lazy shit, ylb could be the dumbest motherfucker here(aside from rujaxoff)……

    That is well known on HA. A chronological monomaniacal databaze idiot for sure! Living vicariously on someone else’s idea. He’s a beta, a follower. The other is just a reservation loving moron!

  88. 88

    “black welfare mamas”

    Racist much? heh- Don’t worry about the street corner loon calling you out for it. The self-loather hates blacks too.

  89. 89

    Thanks goat lover ekim.

    ButtPutty the goat fucking Koch whore is projecting again…

    You continue to prove my point with ad hominem attacks.

    ButtPutty the goat fucking Koch whore has a point? Since when? Oh, ButtPutty must be referring to his irrational rants.

  90. 90

    85. ButtPutty spews:

    West is a tool and a fool who just lied that he apologized to Debbie Wasserman Schultz.

    Wrong again moron yelling loser boi. Stop reading kook-aid sites!

    This is so good. Did ButtPutty even read the article he linked to?

    Allen West: Apology to Wasserman Schultz ‘is not happening’
    By Felicia Sonmez

    Rep. Allen West (R-Fla.) says he is not apologizing to Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz for attacking the Florida Democrat in an e-mail.

    “That is not happening,” West told Fox Business Network’s Stuart Varney Thursday morning when asked whether he plans to apologize to Wasserman Schultz, who is the chairwoman of the Democratic National Committee.

  91. 91

    Puddydope loves West so much because West behaves like Puddydope:

    1) Refers to himself in the third person
    2) Distorts or outright lies about what others say, even what he says to put himself in the best light at the moment.

    i.e. West is always right, is never out of line, everyone else is wrong.

    The guy is a crackpot period. He’ll screw up so bad he’ll drum himself out of office.

    Nothing more needs to be said about him really.

  92. 92

    “Refers to himself in the third person”

    Our self-loathing street corner loon struggles with that one lately. I take it as evidence that what’s left of his feeble, hate-filled mind is still deteriorating.

  93. 93

    As all csn see ekim references the link where West didn’t apologize, just like I said. Must be goat up his ASS.

  94. 94

    @91 wow arschloch you looed into the clueless mirror again.

    LMBBAO!

  95. 95

    Allen West is agreat Black man. It pisses of leftist pinheads because he is not one of their reservation sitters and he’s taking on Obummer’s chosen DUMMOCRAPT mouthpiece.

    Sucks to be you arschloch.

    LMBBAO!

  97. 97

    95. Puddybud on the road again, dealing with so many leftist moron screwups spews:

    Allen West is agreat Black man. It pisses of leftist pinheads because he is not one of their reservation sitters and he’s taking on Obummer’s chosen DUMMOCRAPT mouthpiece.

    Sucks to be you arschloch.

    LMBBAO!

    07/22/2011 at 10:17 am

    Bullshit.

    MLK was a great man. Thurgod Marshall was a great man. Medgar Evers was a great man. Barack Hussein Obama is a godd man.

    Allen West is a punk. A chocolate Ollie North.

    Go get your diaper changed you WATB.

  98. 98

    Allen West – ButtPutty’s Great Black Man(TM)
    The Iraq interrogation incident

    While serving in Taji, Iraq, West received information from an intelligence specialist about a reported plot to ambush him and his men. The alleged plot reportedly involved Yahya Jhodri Hamoodi, a civilian Iraqi police officer. West, who was not responsible for conducting interrogations in Iraq and had never conducted nor witnessed one, had his men detain Hamoodi. In the process of detaining Mr. Hamoodi, soldiers testified that Mr. Hamoodi appeared to reach for his weapon and needed to be subdued. Hamoodi was beaten by four soldiers from the 220th Field Artillery Battalion on the head and body. West then fired his pistol near Hamoodi’s head, after which Hamoodi provided West with names and information, which Hamoodi later described as “meaningless information induced by fear and pain.” At least one of these suspects was arrested as a result, but no plans for attacks or weapons were found. West said “At the time I had to base my decision on the intelligence I received. It’s possible that I was wrong about Mr. Hamoodi.”

    West was charged with violating articles 128 (assault) and 134 (general article) of the Uniform Code of Military Justice. During a hearing held as part of an Article 32 investigation in November 2003, West stated, “I know the method I used was not right, but I wanted to take care of my soldiers.” The charges were ultimately referred to an Article 15 proceeding rather than court-martial, at which West was fined $5,000. LTC West accepted the judgment and retired with full benefits in the summer of 2004. Asked if he would act differently under similar circumstances again, West testified, “If it’s about the lives of my soldiers at stake, I’d go through hell with a gasoline can.” After Lieutenant Colonel West was relieved of his command, an interpreter employed by a private contractor said that without his presence the region he previously oversaw “became more dangerous and chaotic”.

  99. 99

    West is selling out his District and DWS called him out on it. He can’t handle being called out by a woman. He’s a punk.

  100. 100

    …West then fired his pistol near Hamoodi’s head…

    This is pretty much guaranteed to blow out an ear drum. I’m sure ButtPutty is proud of his Great Black Man(TM) for his act of torture heroic action.

  102. 102

    I would have thought that I would be at least bothered to witness someone descend into an insanity driven by a closed loop of hatred and fear. But now that I see it happening to the despicable and degenerate street coner loon, I find it to be kind of a kick.

  103. 103

    Funny thing is, West doesn’t live in his own district. He actually lives in the district represented by Wasserman-Shultz. He is one of her constitients!

    I’s sure like to be able to videotape the next door-belling campaign in her district!

  104. 104

    This book sounds like a good book for reference. Does anyone know much about it?
    Labor & Industries & Secret City Files “Fight & Win”
    by Kal Keller
    5.00 · rating details · 1 rating · 0 reviews
    Labor & Industries under a bright light with photographs, graphs, legal red tape, with the means to stay ahead of the City & State to Win. The city and State Government, right or wrong will always be in your employer’s corner. This book and the others that follow will amaze you, showing the best ways to file your claim. Learn about the wringer. Once you are injured on the job you become suspects, treated as if injured employees were liars or criminals. Special Bonus Book: “Secret City Files” written about Monterey County, CA. Special interest groups control litigation. After reading 3 0f five you will have a 80% chance of receiving your Award with medical coverage. This book will assist any person anywhere in the United States injured on the job, use this book to keep your Attorney honest. Remember that you are replaceable and dispensable to your elected Official

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