Please join us tonight for an evening of politics under the influence at the Seattle chapter of Drinking Liberally. We meet at the Montlake Ale House, 2307 24th Avenue E. Starting time is 8:00 pm, but feel free to join some of us for an earlier dinner.
Every time Sarah Palin makes a statement to the media, God kills an historian:
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It turns out that Palin was largely right.
http://www.npr.org/2011/06/06/.....aul-revere
Prof. ALLISON: Yeah. She was making a Second Amendment case. But, in fact, the British were going out to Concord to seize colonists’ arms, the weapons that the Massachusetts Provincial Congress was stockpiling there. …
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Palin’s statement was so rambling and disjointed you could claim she was making all sorts of points when she was really just spewing gibberish.
Nutcase @ 1,
Yes…I heard Prof. Allsion on NPR. He was VERY generous to Palin. So generous, in fact, that his own account stretches credulity.
Put a chimp at a keyboard and look for stuff on nuclear physics. Among the random collections of characters you will occasionally find a word that is vaguely relevant….
Can any right winger out there point to a detailed proposal by the Republicans that, if adopted, will lead to job creation in this country?
Gee if there’s anything out there that makes sense I might just support it.
Anything?
Ok why not just move all government jobs to India, and replace all government workers with cheaper labor. The Obama Government doesn’t seem to want to do anything about all these job movements to cheaper labor. So I say move Government jobs there.
@4 No, of course not, they’re anti-Keynesians; so, if they get back in power, we can expect them to finish what they started in 2007 — namely, putting Hooverian policies in place and turning this recession into a bona fide depression. The CHEAP LABOR CONSERVATIVES won’t be happy until the whole country is unemployed.
Yes Obama has such a magnificent job creation record. He inherited 7.2% unemployment, and now has 9.3% unemployment. Too broke to help on that, since his debt limit has been reached.
Yes fear the republicans, that’s the answer!
I fear even another year of OWEbomanomics.
There are certain things about the limeys you gotta admire, such as their stubborn determination to keep fighting when everyone else knows they’re defeated (see, e.g., RAF Spitfire pilots) and their ability to artfully stroke the King’s English. For example:
American version: “talking out of their ass”
British version: “speaking from the back of their slacks”
http://www.economist.com/blogs.....-and-truth
Well LD strikes out – just repeats the same old Obama derangement syndrome talking points…
Anyone else? Can point to a plan?
14.416 Trillion and counting. Does that mean Obama took 16 Billion out of the federal retirement plans so far. Well what’s next, maybe the Wa state retirement fund can be robbed (oh they already are by Gregoire and gang.
Authored by the Republicans?
@9
I’d love to be able to point to a federal re-localization plan that takes into consideration the growing costs of carbon-based energy, our consumer and government debit, a shift to local small scale agriculture (needed do to high unemployment, high energy costs, poor human health, & dwindling water supplies in aquifers to name just a few things), and the long-term economic contraction that we’re in (7-10% unemployment for the next 5 years), but there isn’t one.
The Democrats have a better take on things than the Republicans, but at this point they’re both so far off the mark that I’m having a hard time giving a shit about supporting the least worst choice.
Rujax! showed up this evening. Too bad Puddydope didn’t make a showing. They could engage in a crotch shot pissing contest!
8 – I appreciate the Brit wit myself but this opinion piece kind of stinks:
I’ve read Eric Alterman for years. He has academic training but everything I’ve ever read of his has been blogging or opinion pieces. So what this Economist writer is saying in a very long winded and to my reading, snooty way is that Eric Alterman is a polemicist.
That’s all he had to say. Eric Alterman is a polemicist and he’s written yet another polemic.
All Alterman does more or less is critique politics and the media which have been trending right since Nixon.
It’s not just in Ohio.
Hell Forget education, no one can afford it any more with the Wa state dems raising the tuition fees 14% to 20% + per year.
They won;t even find a bank or institution willing to loan that.
So instead of schools surviving, the will find falling student admissions, have to lower admission standards, and lay off professors.
Idiocracy is alive and well in the education and legislature institutions.. The more they do to fix the education financial picture, the more they break it.
At some point the massive price increase of anything causes less people to purchase it.
I can not believe or fathom the stupidity of the left.
@ 1 (stupid motherfucker)
The question she was asked:
Her answer:
The date of Paul Revere’s ride: April 18th, 1775
@4. YLB spews:
Can any right winger out there point to a detailed proposal by the Republicans that, if adopted, will lead to job creation in this country?
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as the rodent would put it, you wouldn’t recognize one if it f-ed you in the ass.
@5. LD spews:
Ok why not just move all government jobs to India, and replace all government workers with cheaper labor. The Obama Government doesn’t seem to want to do anything about all these job movements to cheaper labor. So I say move Government jobs there.
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obama had to reject that idea because Indians couldn’t vote democrat, he had to settle for cheap labor through illegal immigration and get the dem votes via amnesty.
@6. Roger Rabbit spews:
@4 No, of course not, they’re anti-Keynesians
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as if you would understand Keynesian theory if it f-ed you in the ass, beyond the vague notion that spending money you don’t have will increase employment.
@ 1 continued
(This really needs that edit function back, or at least a preview before post)
April 18th, 1775
That’s more than a full year before the Declaration of Independence and the beginning of the American Revolution.
The vast majority of colonists (who were not yet Americans per se, but were rather British colonists in The Americas) were still loyal to the Crown, most of them didn’t want independence, they wanted better representation in Parliament and full rights as British citizens, including the right not to bear the tax burden of the British Empire’s war with France. THAT is what that original Tea Party thing was all about. The East India Company had a total legally imposed monopoly on the tea trade, and it was illegal for anyone to set up a rival company to trade directly with the India Colony. The Boston Tea party happened on December 16, 1773 in response to the Tea Act which imposed that monopoly and guaranteed the Crown reembursing the East India Trading Company for taxes that the Colonies were paying for the Tea. Coupled with the direct insult of the Stamp Act in 1765 and many other offenses and insults by the British military and the Colonial administrators over the period of over two decades, the Colonists had flat out had enough of the bullshit.
The folks who would eventually become our Founding Fathers, including Paul Revere, were, in 1775, mostly regarded as a handful of disgruntled troublemakers. The Redcoats weren’t invading, they were already here. They had already been here for decades. They weren’t coming to take “our” arms, they were coming to arrest the rebels, and very likely to set up a garrison at Concord. It would be very unlikely that the British would round up arms from the civilian population at that point, they needed irregulars (the colonial militias) to deal with the natives and brigands and the odd Frenchman. The Crown was broke which was the whole reason the king was taxing the crap out of the colonies in the first place. That, and the primary mandate that allowed the Colonial charters to be underwritten by the Crown was to generate income for the Crown and the aristocracy that held the charters. The colonies WERE THE PRIVATE PROPERTY of the chartered corporations that controlled the colonies to extract revenue for the King and his incredibly prolific personal spending habits. King George was a fucking nutball. Every historian has documented this. Remember that big fancy carriage that the Queen rides around in? That was built under King George 5th, and it cost a rather substantial fortune at the time. There were several very expensive expansions to the Royal palaces. There was the war with the French, the recurring rebellions in China, India and Burma, the incursions into South Africa, the commissioned private manhunts for the Pirates of the Caribbean and the Mediterranean seas, the beginnings of the forced convict deportations from Ireland to Australia. etc etc etc. All that cost shitloads of money to support.
Revere and William Dawes were dispatched to warn the rebels that the Regulars were coming to arrest them, not to warn the British, and he sure as hell didn’t ring any bells or fire any guns to warn the Redcoats.
Sarah Palin is a wholly uneducated, lying twit. She’s that stupid cheerleader that everyone knew in High School, who skated through without actually learning a damn thing because she was so popular. The beauty Queen who didn’t need all that “book learnin” because she knew that all she had to do was find the right fool to support her for the rest of her life.
This is fifth grade level stuff, and she doesn’t know the first thing about it.
@ 19
Christ, yer almost as stupid as LD.
Deathfrog
We are not wrong, your party cannot continue to spend trillions upon trillions in the red, with no plan except dollar debasing, demonizing, and kicking the already massive debt can down the road.
Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and the National Debt are getting so near bankruptcy that to do nothing is no longer an option.
We pay plenty for leaders to lead and tackle these issues despite their political aspirations, and we expect results, not can kicking.
The Washington Post / ABC this morning has a poll showing 89% have a negative view of the economy, and only 11% have a positive view.
I Rest my case! The Economy sucks! Stupid!
Oh my DeadToad giving us another history lesson FROM HIS 5TH GRADE PRIMER.
This is the same moron who claimed the Puritans and the Pilgrims were the same group.
LMBBAO!
Yeah Darryl I would “love” to meet the dumb misogynist cinder block but alas work calls me first.
I’m pretty sure a person of faith like the former half-term governor learned her American history from the bible (King James version), so if you are going to disagree and mock her for her interpretation of history, then you are pretty much the spawn of satan.
Why not discuss Weiner?
Why won’t he resign?
Where is the Democrat Party leadership on this?
Turn it over to the Ethics Committee?
How much will this cost taxpayers?
It will only benefit the wingnuts the longer Weiner stays.
Why not discuss Weiner?
Why won’t he resign?
Where is the Democrat Party leadership on this?
Turn it over to the Ethics Committee?
How much will this cost taxpayers?
It will only benefit the wingnuts the longer Weiner stays.
@13
amen on that.
Obviously not since you didn’t provide one as I asked. Nicely even.
Let me guess. Does the “plan” that you’re aware of feature more tax cuts for the rich and corporations?
Heh. 10th anniversary of the Bush tax cuts and what have they done for job creation in this country?
Just asking?
I guess they’ve done so much that just about every Republican and teabagger wants to make them permanent!
It’s right wing nuts that have weiners on the brain.
You discuss. We laugh!
YLB-
Weiner was Obama’s #1 attack dog & defender.
He is a self-proclaimed leader of Progressivism?
Don’t you think he should go away?
How will Weiner help the movement in the future?
Here is a questionaire about where our tax dollars are going–
http://www.dirtyspendingsecrets.com/
Deathfrog @ 18 & 20:
Palin claimed that the question ““What have you seen so far today, and what are you going to take away from your visit?” was a “gotcha” question!
I agree with your synopsis. A little added detail: Revere crossed over the Boston harbor in a rowboat with muffled oars to prevent being heard by the British warships guarding the harbor. He dodged British cavalry patrols through much of the night. He wasn’t the only messenger sent, there were at least two others, in the expectation that not every one would get through. The British were on alert and patroling the roads to prevent the spread of any alarm, because they hoped to take Samual Adams and John Hancock by surprise in the early morning hours. Revere and at least one other messenger were captured in the later part of their ride by a British cavalry patrol, at what point he did bluff the British by saying that American militiamen would be appearing at any moment, and while they were discussing this among themselves both he and his fellow messenger escaped, with the British firing pistols after them (but missing).
Of course, it’s probably been thirty years since I’ve read a book about Paul Revere, and another five years since I read the book “April 1776”. This is just off the top of my head, so a few details might be off a bit. But I’m sure it is a considerably more accurate answer than Palin gave, just fifteen minutes after attending a lecture given by a Park ranger.
My guess is that Palin once saw a thirty-minute movie in history class one day, but wasn’t paying attention. And while she was in Boston, she still wasn’t paying attention again during the lecture, because she was more distracted by the hovering media, and she figured she didn’t need to listen because she knew all about it already.
What she should have said, was “I didn’t know there was going to be a test following this!”
Of course, what makes this all so hysterical is that Palin advertised her “bus tour” as being all about teaching America about it’s heritage.
30 – So you say! Keep going.. I’m lovin’ it.
In other news –
http://www.bnn.ca/News/2011/6/.....-fire.aspx
Here’s an example of something that will actually have consequences if Republicans don’t do what they did 7 times under George Bush.
@34. YLB spews:
Republican lawmakers are “playing with fire” by contemplating even a brief debt default as a means to force deeper government spending cuts, an adviser to China’s central bank said on Wednesday.
The idea of a technical default — essentially delaying interest payments for a few days — has gained backing from a growing number of mainstream Republicans who see it as a price worth paying if it forces the White House to slash spending, Reuters reported on Tuesday.
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more trash, not even the obama admin is crazy enough to default on the debt, it would continue to be paid.
If the Congress doesn’t raise the debt ceiling like they did 7 times under Bush – default will result. Current defense, counter-terrorism and homeland security policies – many of them started under Bush – makes this inevitable.
The Republicans obviously want Obama to throw grandma and grandpa off a cliff first – in order to take the White House in 2012.
Pretty ugly and crude – but that’s the game they want to play.
38. YLB spews:
If the Congress doesn’t raise the debt ceiling like they did 7 times under Bush – default will result.
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as usual, libholes talk most about things they know the least about. You obviously don’t realize that even the democrats haven’t yet been able to push the cost of debt service above revenue. We have enough revenue to pay debt service without an increase in the debt ceiling.