by Jon DeVore, 02/18/2009, 1:46 PM

Nice catch by Niki Sullivan over at the TVW blog during testimony on SB 6035, which would reform the retrospective ratings plan system (the infamous “retro” money that BIAW uses as a slush fund to launch endless and usually untruthful attacks against Democrats.)

Rick D. (Didn’t catch his last name): “The Retro program is desperate for serious reform… this program is completely lacking in rigorous … accounting.” He said he participated in the BIAW Retro pool for some time. He would receive refunds, but never knew why or what it was based on. When he found out the BIAW was using some of the refund money to buy political ads, he protested. He says he was kicked out of the program for questioning it.

But it sounds like a couple of senators weren’t buying it so much:

Sen. Karen Keiser asked Rick if he ever received any safety information from his retro program. Yes, he said. He attended training that was “invaluable.”

Sen. Janea Holmquist said she was having a “hard time believing” that Rick didn’t know where the money was spent. She asked if he was on the board of the program. He said yes, for one meeting.

“I just want to highlight that this is a voluntary program,” Holmquist said. You belong to the Retro pool voluntarily and give them your money voluntarily.

Unless, of course, you say something the BIAW doesn’t like, then they kick you out.

It would be a shame if BIAW had to actually go out and solicit donations to fund its vicious campaigns. It’s pretty clear a lot of their own members don’t even like what they do.

Today Sullivan rounds up the proposed legislation here. Requiring an actuarial review and requiring refunds to members, less administrative costs, sounds pretty reasonable. But wait!

That’s the basic framework. But there’s more: During the 2008 campaign, the state Democratic party raised concerns about the Building Industry Association of Washington (BIAW, the largest retro program) using some of its retro refund for political activity — something that is not illegal. In the public hearing yesterday, some who testified in opposition to the bill said they thought it was an attempt to curb political speech. Sen. Jeanne Kohl-Welles, a sponsor, said the bill has nothing to do with that.

To back the train up to the starting point: most regular citizens would be beyond surprised to know that BIAW funds its political activities from rebates in a worker’s compensation fund. It’s downright sleazy and outrageous, and there’s no logical reason to allow the practice to continue, despite the whimpering from BIAW and others.

It’s a freaking insurance program administered by the state, for crying out loud, and protestations about free speech are more than a little ridiculous in that context. The state is under no obligation to enable BIAW or any other group to divert insurance funds towards politics.

Sure, BIAW will cry like stuck pigs about “retribution,” but who cares? Side with the little people for once, Democrats! All those small contractors deserve to get their money back, especially with the economy in the toilet, not pay for a bunch of horseshit right-wing television ads.

154 Responses to “Don’t question the BIAW or else”

1. Rosie Redfinger spews:

It will be interesting to hear how the wingnuts will defend the political use of these insurance funds for kooky right wing causes, given their Sophist defense of the Evergreen Freedom Foundation’s (funded by anti-union Wal-Mart and other prominent right wing kooks)cheesy attempts to deny the Teacher’s Union the use of their funds for political purposes.

2. Marvin Stamn spews:

by Jon DeVore, 02/18/2009, 1:46 PM
Unless, of course, you say something the BIAW doesn’t like, then they kick you out.

 
Sounds almost like a union. Kinda like how to be a democrat you have to be in lockstep. How many democrats, including the ones that profess their faith in God also believe in killing unborn children.
  

It would be a shame if BIAW had to actually go out and solicit donations to fund its vicious campaigns. It’s pretty clear a lot of their own members don’t even like what they do.

 
Yup. Sounds like a union. I would even say it sounds like the los angeles teachers union.

3. Rosie Redfinger spews:

#2 — Like that wasn’t predictable. How are insurance premiums for injured workers the same as union dues?

Also, the teacher’s unions ask their membership individually whether they may use a portion of their dues for political purposes. If the answer is ‘no’, then they are not (for that individual).

The Evergreen Freedom Foundation wants to make it a law that the union has to ask the membership individually each and every paycheck.

Everyone is tired of these wingnuts and their dishonest hidden agenda to squash the workingman.

4. Puddybud, Hey it's the new year... spews:

Marvin asked:

How many democrats, including the ones that profess their faith in God also believe in killing unborn children.

Nancy Pelosi got an earful.

Now back to Jon,

Side with the little people for once, Democrats!

Wait a minute… we heard that’s who the Democratic support. Evil Republicans only support the rich. Wait a minute… the Democratic are rich… Jon, didn’t you get the memo?

I’ll wait for the proof as Merry Fitzmas still rings in my ears…

5. Rosie Redfinger spews:

Many wingnuts like being labeled as wingnuts because it’s the only time in their brutally ignorant lives that they have been compared to a potentially useful object.

This is especially true of the One Who Waxes the Pud.

6. Puddybud, Hey it's the new year... spews:

Rosie Redfinger aka leadless douchy@3…

Read the law oops… court decision.

Wax the Pud? Whudathunk you did that leadless…? Oh wait you do it 24×7

7. Rosie Redfinger spews:

#4 — DEFENDER OF THE UNBORN!!! How much does that cost you?

It’s free and antagonistically moralistic. Two of the hotbuttons for wingnuts.

8. Puddybud, Hey it's the new year... spews:

BTW Goldy, where is stillbentover? Did you put him on hiatus again?

He’d have something stupid to say here…

9. Puddybud, Hey it's the new year... spews:

Leadless@7:

I have no idea. I just send my money to faith based charities and they help the poor chilluns. You should try it instead of being a tight wad…

10. Rosie Redfinger spews:

#6 — Your type only quotes the law when it suits your hidden, nefarious, kooky agenda.

If not, then you think that the law is wrong — and you don’t need to obey.

You will obey. You will obey the Law of the Obamaites!!

11. Rosie Redfinger spews:

#9 — “…help the poor chilluns.”

Well, Hab’ Moicy, Br’er Rabbit!

Ball’s in your court WaxMan…

12. Puddybud, Hey it's the new year... spews:

Thanks leadless@11. Proves you are Mr 24×7.

Regarding quoting the law… if you are paying attention both your buds HAs clueless idiot and Dr NotRight unsuccessfully tried to tell the HA world US spending bills don’t come from the House of Representatives.

13. Rosie Redfinger spews:

The BIAW is using insurance funds for injured workers to promote wingnut policies that will hurt workers.

That is immoral.

14. Rosie Redfinger spews:

# 12 — What are you talking about, Willis?

15. Roger Rabbit spews:

Say, aren’t these wingers the same folks who shriek about being forced to belong to unions* that spend a tiny fraction of their dues money on political advertising to accomplish things like, um, higher wages, better health benefits, and safer working conditions?

* Except no one is required to belong to a union.

16. rhp6033 spews:

A union can’t kick out a member for saying anything against the union. As a matter of fact, most elections for union officers can get pretty spirited.

Likewise, if you are a stockholder and you don’t like how your company is spending money in political lobbying and donations, you can at least exercise a vote in the annual election of directors. Sure, it’s highly unlikely your vote will have much impact considering that pension and investment funds hold most of the shares, but at least you have a theoretical opportunity to persuade others that the company shouldn’t be using your money in that fashion.

So, the workers are the ones who pay the industrial insurance premiums through their paycheck deductions. It is for their care that the premiums are supposed to be spent. At what point do the workers get to vote on how the money is spent, and to prevent it from being spent on political campaigns which are contrary to their interests? In the BIAW case, they have no opportunity at all to do so.

17. Roger Rabbit spews:

Browsing the internet, I occasionally read articles about how to succeed at work, or keep your job in these tough times, or similar subjects. These articles are full of tips about building relationships, making yourself more valuable to the organization, letting the boss know what you contribute to the company, common e-mail and telephone mistakes, etc. It all adds up to an extensive how-to manual about “how to work” approaching the size of the Encyclopedia Britannica. You get the impression that you have to spend every moment of your working life strategizing and playing office survival games, or you’re toast! This seems like an awful lot of effort and trouble for a lousy $30,000 or $40,000 a year. Hell, I make more than that by sitting on my fat rabbit ass in front of a computer doing nothing. The big boys who make the rules (and most of the money your hard work produces) don’t have to go through all this shit. They do whatever they want! So why should you do it? If you don’t work, you can tear up the encyclopedia, quit worrying, and put out of your mind how many things you screwed up today! I don’t do any of this stuff. That’s because I don’t work. And I get nifty tax breaks for not working! Wages are so heavily taxed you’d think a job is a light rail tunnel. Therefore, who wants wages? I earn no wages. Therefore, I pay no payroll taxes! Doing nothing is more rewarding than working, so I don’t work! Nobody should work. The tax code punishes people for working, and rewards lazy bums like me, so everyone should live like me!

18. Marvin Stamn spews:

Yup, AmeriKKKa is a nation of cowards, at least that is what the man that pardoned marc rich says.

“Though this nation has proudly thought of itself as an ethnic melting pot, in things racial we have always been and continue to be, in too many ways, essentially a nation of cowards. Though race-related issues continue to occupy a significant portion of our political discussion, and though there remain many unresolved racial issues in this nation, we, average Americans, simply do not talk enough with each other about race.”
  
The unresolved race issues are old people. When they die off the problem goes away.
Al gore grew up on a plantation in the south, his daddy fillerbusted the civil rights act. His grand kids will be growing up in a much different environment, one without hate for blacks.
 
Like a good democrat, he is going to use the justice department

19. Rosie Redfinger spews:

re 18: What does the man who pardoned Oliver North (the prist and nun murderer) have to say, Marvin?

20. YLB spews:

His grand kids will be growing up in a much different environment, one without hate for blacks.

Funny how the Dems nominated a black man for President. And even funnier (to the wingnut mindset) that the African-American Democrat WON.

Funny as in the joke is on the wingnuts.

21. Marvin Stamn spews:

Strange how the liberal media doesn’t feel it’s important to show the country the reception obama is getting when he travels all across the nation to speak.
 
Lovely pics of the protesters.

22. Marvin Stamn spews:

19. Rosie Redfinger spews:
re 18: What does the man who pardoned Oliver North (the prist and nun murderer) have to say, Marvin?

 
I didn’t think you would address a race issue headless.
 
Your racist beliefs are well known.
  
Oops, this sockpuppet has been outed. Better change your name again.

23. YLB spews:

The Rick D of this article cannot possibly be the little Ricky Dumbass of HA.org and (un)SP comment threads.

The Rick D. in the article is sane.

24. Marvin Stamn spews:

20. YLB spews:
Funny as – the joke is on the wingnuts.

 
The joke is on the country.
 
I hope you appreciate the democrats putting your grandchildren into debt before they are even born.

25. YLB spews:

Strange how the liberal media

Strange how the right wing media is so violent:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/18/new-york-post-chimp-carto_n_167841.html

As usual the right wing media is completely confused over the victory of the people. The chimpanzee went out the door on Jan 20. No one pointed a gun at him.

26. YLB spews:

Oh and look! NOW THEY WANT THE MONEY!!!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/18/gop-fighting-for-money-fr_n_167914.html

Is there ONE Republican and his district that will refuse stimulus funds on PRINCIPLE?

Nope. This right wing party talk of “principles” is just hot air.

27. YLB spews:

The joke is on the country.

Funny the country doesn’t see it that way.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx

The people approve of this new leadership. They rejected “more of the same” back on Nov 4.

Unlike some fools who wanted just what got us into the current troubles.

28. rhp6033 spews:

RR @ 7: I tried playing the game too, and then I realized that it’s not WHAT you know, as much as WHO you know. If you’ve got the contacts, you get ahead, as long as you don’t screw up TOO much.

If you don’t have the right contacts,then you are resigned to working for those that do. They figure they can ALWAYS hire someone to do the – you know- actual work. But guys who can play golf with other executives need to be paid the huge bucks to ensure that they actually come to work occassionally!!!!

29. YLB spews:

I hope you appreciate the democrats putting your grandchildren into debt before they are even born.

Oh and the Iraq war didn’t do that?

At least this money is being spent here and not in a sinkhole of fraud and blood in the Middle East.

And as I showed in 26, Republicans can’t scramble fast enough to put their mitts on it.

30. YLB spews:

Lovely pics of the protesters.

Nice indeed. Reminds me of the sore losers who booed when McCain congratulated Obama on his crushing victory over “more of the same”.

31. Marvin Stamn spews:

30. YLB spews:
Nice indeed. Reminds me of the sore losers who booed when McCain congratulated Obama on his crushing victory over “more of the same”.

 
Sore losers?
 
What were democrats like you for the 8 years of bush?
 
Remember all those bushitler signs.
 
By the way, a crushing victory would be more like what reagan did to the democrats. Did you know he won EVERY state except one. Talk about crushing.

32. Steve spews:

Marvin, your side was crushed. Take my word for it.

33. Marvin Stamn spews:

26. YLB spews:
Is there ONE Republican and his district that will refuse stimulus funds on PRINCIPLE?

 
Why shouldn’t the people paying taxes, which obama has shown excludes democrats, why shouldn’t they get something for that which they have to pay off.
 
It sounds “fair” to me.
 
Are you against being fair?

34. Roger Rabbit spews:

@18 Can’t stand people speaking honestly about this country’s warts, eh Marvie? Are you one of those cowards who won’t face the truth about what some Americans were (and maybe some still are)? http://www.historicaldocuments.com/BloodRedLynchings.jpg

35. Roger Rabbit spews:

@19 Oh yeah, that too, yes … let’s not forget that Saint Ronnie and his loyal asskisser, Colonel Ollie, armed, financed, and sponsored the El Salvador death squads who murdered American nuns.

36. YLB spews:

Are you against being fair?

Fair is that the Party of NO means what they say.

But that’s can never come from the party that championed the policies that got us where we are.

I hope this lesson isn’t lost on people when they go to the polls on Nov 2010.

37. Roger Rabbit spews:

@20 What isn’t funny is how many wingnuts post comments on the internet wishing for assassination. I frequently see comments like that on AOL.

38. YLB spews:

What were democrats like you for the 8 years of bush?

Justifiably angry over the theft of the election in Florida in 2000 (Gore won the popular vote) and Ohio in 2004 (fraud was rampant).

Thankfully it all came around last November. Hopefully it will stay that way for a long time to come.

39. Roger Rabbit spews:

@21 Isn’t it great that we live in a free country where you can protest against Democrats without being arrested, beaten, or having your car vandalized! Don’t try protesting against Republicans, though — they’re fucking nazis.

“When George W. Bush Had Alex Jones Arrested For Asking A Question”

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/may2006/050506askingquestion.htm

Roger Rabbit Commentary: A wingnut complaining about free speech is like Ted Bundy complaining about crime.

“Woman Arrested at McCain Event For ‘McCain=Bush’ Sign”

http://www.alternet.org/blogs/video/90700/

“Muslim Woman Jailed Over Head Scarf In Georgia”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/12/17/muslim-woman-jailed-over-_n_151858.html

“In the months before the 2004 election, dozens of people across the nation were … arrested at Bush political rallies … for … simply for holding signs or wearing clothing that expressed opposition to … administration policies.

“Similar things have happened at official, taxpayer-funded, presidential visits, before and after the election. …

“[T]he cases share the same fundamental themes. Generally, they accuse federal officials of developing security measures to identify, segregate, deny entry or expel dissenters.”

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-07-23-bush-protesters_x.htm

“Car Vandalized Because of Political Bumper Sticker”

“RENTON – A local woman claims someone vandalized her car because of a Kerry-Edwards campaign sticker in her back window. Joni Job told KOMO 4 News someone put a confederate flag alongside her sticker. They also used red paint to write ‘Bush in 2004′ on her passenger side door. Job says the vandals also dented her car, causing hundreds of dollars in damage.”

http://www.komonews.com/news/archive/4131001.html

40. Marvin Stamn spews:

32. Steve spews:
Marvin, your side was crushed. Take my word for it.

 
Your word and $5 will get you a cup of coffee at starbucks.
 
52% – 45% isn’t crushing.
 
Bush1 had a 53% – 45% advantage over dukakis. That’s a more crushing victory than obamas.
 
Reagan had a 58% – 40% over mondale. That is crushing.
 
Please keep things in perspective. Obama couldn’t do what bush 1 did.

41. Roger Rabbit spews:

@24 A Republican complaining about deficits is like Ted Bundy complaining about women disappearing in his neighborhood.

42. YLB spews:

Obama couldn’t do what bush 1 did.

And Obama won Ohio, Indiana, Virginia, North Carolina and Florida.

We’ll take it, thanks.

43. Marvin Stamn spews:

38. YLB spews:
Justifiably angry over the theft of the election in Florida in 2000 (Gore won the popular vote)

 
The popular vote and $5 will get you a cup of coffee at starbucks.
  
Besides, your excuse about the “popular vote” is bullshit. You, and your fellow democrats were angry because you lost.

44. ArtFart spews:

18 “The unresolved race issues are old people.”

You know, Marv, that’s what I thought, particularly watching my own children maturing with an apparent total unawareness of the vestigal seeds of prejudice that most of us boomers had sown into the furrows of our psyches by our parents. I was certainly further encouraged by the very eloquent manner in which McCain spoke of how far we’ve come in his concession speech. Then again, it’s hard not to remember McCain admonishing his own supporters for their ignorance and bigotry, not to mention Palin’s shameless wallowing in it.

Then came that delightful incident at the basketball game in Redmond last week. I don’t know for sure, but I’ll betcha the idiot parent who charged out onto the court and slugged one of the Garfield players was on the sunny side of 40. We’ve come a long way, but we still have a long way to go.

45. Roger Rabbit spews:

@28 In any business or profession, the rainmakers get the big bucks, and the rest of the employees get the work.

46. ArtFart spews:

The frenzy and vitriol with which our two leading right-wing apologists have jumped into this thread would seem to indicate that bringing up the subject really hit a nerve.

As to the right excoriating unions for campaigning for candidates and measures that benefit their members but not finding any problem with what the BIAW has done…not particularly surprising. Almost every facet of conservative ideology involves some sort of double standard.

47. Roger Rabbit spews:

@32 The problem with these cockroaches is they don’t know when they’ve been stomped.

48. ArtFart spews:

17 I’ve seen some of the same thing, and I don’t get it either. How many thousand words does it take to tell someone to swallow?

49. Roger Rabbit spews:

@40 “52% – 45% isn’t crushing.”

It is when you figure the GOP started with a 4-million-vote advantage from voting machine fraud. You know you’ve been crushed when the public is so mad at you even your black boxes can’t save you. On top of that, you ran a war hero against a black Harvard lawyer. Under the circumstances, this result was a pounding.

50. ArtFart spews:

43 ‘Scuze me….it wasn’t a parent. It was an 18-year-old student who came charging out of the stands. So, it really isn’t just “old people”.

51. ArtFart spews:

“Obama couldn’t do what bush 1 did.”

What? Have sex with Barbara?

52. Puddybud, Hey it's the new year... spews:

Fool@25:

You stupidly cheered when the negative caricatures of Condoleeza Rice were produly displayed. Nary a clueless peep.

Fool!

53. Roger Rabbit spews:

@48 Not having to depend on some asshole for a paycheck is liberating beyond anything you can imagine until you experience it yourself.

54. Roger Rabbit spews:

@43 We didn’t lose.

55. YLB spews:

The popular vote and $5 will get you a cup of coffee at starbucks.

I never spend more than $1.95 or so for coffee at Starbucks.

Nope. We’re angry because Bush, Rove and Company stole the elections.

Some of us, (yes including me) sucked it up and tried to give him the benefit of the doubt. We gave him more rope after 9/11 and then he hung the country with it in Iraq, Guantanamo Bay, Abu Ghraib, the secret torture prisons and the ugly 2004 campaign.

Now we’re living with the catastrophic fallout of his mis-governance and neglect.

Nothing we should be angry about? No. Of course not.

56. Puddybud, Hey it's the new year... spews:

ylb HA clueless idiot Moron alert:

Justifiably angry over the theft of the election in Florida in 2000

Prove it fool! Gore lost he screwed the pooch.

Mantra

Obama

Mantra

Obama

Mantra

Obama

Fooltard!

57. Roger Rabbit spews:

Speaking of sore losers, we got a good look at Republican sportsmanship when Rossi lost.

58. Roger Rabbit spews:

@56 Why bother? We could prove it until the cows come home and you’d still spew the same wingnut bullshit like the mindless tool you are.

59. Puddybud, Hey it's the new year... spews:

Pelletizer Bullshittium Alert:

It is when you figure the GOP started with a 4-million-vote advantage from voting machine fraud.

End of BULLSHITTIUM Alert.

Must be difficult lacking oxygen. Carl Grossman not sending those virtual oxygen bottles?

60. Roger Rabbit spews:

@56 Why the hell not?

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Suck on it, losers! P.S., Your own candidate ran against your party!

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61. Roger Rabbit spews:

@59 Yawn. I won’t bother posting links to all the news stories I’ve seen about voters complaining about touch screen machines that changed their Kerry votes to Bush votes. (Funny how it never works the other way.) These stories are well known and don’t require reiteration to liars who won’t listen to the truth anyway. But if you really want to know, read what Greg Palast writes about it. He documents everything.

62. Roger Rabbit spews:

For example, Palast documented the GOP’s disgusting racist campaign against African-American military voters:

“The Republican National Committee has a special offer for African-American soldiers: Go to Baghdad, lose your vote.

“A confidential campaign directed by GOP party chiefs in October 2004 sought to challenge the ballots of tens of thousands of voters in the last presidential election, virtually all of them cast by residents of Black-majority precincts.

“Files from the secret vote-blocking campaign were obtained by BBC Television Newsnight, London. They were attached to emails accidentally sent by Republican operatives to a non-party website.

“One group of voters wrongly identified by the Republicans as registering to vote from false addresses: servicemen and women sent overseas.

“Here’s how the scheme worked: The RNC mailed these voters letters in envelopes marked, ‘Do not forward’, to be returned to the sender. These letters were mailed to servicemen and women, some stationed overseas, to their US home addresses. The letters then returned to the Bush-Cheney campaign as ‘undeliverable.’ The lists of soldiers of ‘undeliverable’ letters were transmitted from state headquarters … to the RNC in Washington. The party could then challenge the voters’ registration and thereby prevent their absentee ballots being counted.

“One target list was comprised exclusively of voters registered at the Jacksonville, Florida, Naval Air Station. … [See this scrub sheet at http://flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=160156893&context=set-72157594155273706&size=o ] …

“The BBC obtained several dozen confidential emails sent by the Republican’s national Research Director and Deputy Communications chief, Tim Griffin to GOP Florida campaign chairman Brett Doster and other party leaders. Attached were spreadsheets marked, ‘Caging.xls.’ Each of these contained several hundred to a few thousand voters and their addresses. A check of the demographics of the addresses on the ‘caging lists,’ as the GOP leaders called them indicated that most were in African-American majority zip codes.

“Ion Sanco, the non-partisan elections supervisor of Leon County (Tallahassee) when shown the lists by this reporter said: ‘The only thing I can think of – African American voters listed like this – these might be individuals that will be challenged if they attempted to vote on Election Day.’ …

“The Republican National Committee in Washington refused our several requests to respond to the BBC discovery. … The party has refused to say why it would mark soldiers as having ‘bad addresses’ subject to challenge when they had been assigned abroad. … Setting up such a challenge list would be a crime under federal law. … While the party insisted the lists were not created for the purpose to challenge Black voters, the GOP ultimately offered no other explanation for the mailings. …

“Soldiers sending in their ballot from abroad would not know their vote was lost because of a challenge.”

Quoted under Fair Use; for complete article and/or copyright info see http://tinyurl.com/jv9nf

Roger Rabbit Commentary: You see, pudnutz? You’re a fucking traitor to your own race for defending slimeballs like Griffin. He belongs in a federal prison, because denying someone the right to vote because of their race is a federal felony! And to do it to soldiers deployed to combat zones … well, that’s beyond the pale, and no self-respecting military veteran would put up with it.

63. Michael spews:

The Sierra Club has to have a firewall between regular dues/spending and political activities and the BIAW gets to use L&I refunds to fund political activities. Nice!!!

If SB 6035 fails lets kick Keiser out of the Democratic Party.

64. Roger Rabbit spews:

Frank Blethen’s contribution to the state’s budget crisis is to ask for tax breaks. Newspapers are already exempt from sales tax, but never mind that; Frank wants the whole hog:

“OLYMPIA — … Seattle Times publisher Frank Blethen and Scott Campbell, publisher of The Columbian in Vancouver, say they need help during tumultuous times in the industry.

“Under the proposed measure, the business and occupation tax on newspapers would be cut … through 2015.

“Rowland Thompson, executive director for Allied Daily Newspapers of Washington, said newspapers are asking for the same tax rate that the aerospace and timber industries currently have.

“He noted the decline in the number of statehouse reporters over the past few years. ‘That’s something we’re desperately trying to stem the tide of, to keep those newsrooms vibrant and alive,’ he said. …

“The [bill] … would cost the state $2.1 million through 2011. Through 2015, … it would cost … $8.1 million.”

(Quoted from Seattle Times under fair use.)

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2008758458_webtaxbreak18.html

Roger Rabbit Commentary: Yeah, no doubt Frank would love to pay the same taxes that Boeing and Weyerhauser pay!! Unfortunately for him, he can’t tell the Legislature “do things my way or I’ll pull 60,000 jobs out of your state” like they can.

65. Roger Rabbit spews:

Where do I apply for my tax break? Oops, I’m an elderly rabbit living in a public park on a fixed income, not a $4 million Lake Washington waterfront estate, so I don’t get one.

66. Roger Rabbit spews:

My property tax went up $36 a month this year. I had to cancel my newspaper subscription to pay it.

67. manoftruth spews:

oh fuck you , jewish tools, everything said by republicans are always lies , right? thats why you have the circus in illinois now, if burris were white, he ‘d be out. but we treat blacks like the special education kids at school, we dont expect them to be smart enough to take any personal responsibility, and the jews love the idiots because they can manipulate them.

68. Puddybud, Hey it's the new year... spews:

Thanks Pelletizer for moving off topic.

Looks like Newsweek got it right for a change…

“and its increasingly rudderless posts read like talking points from the Democratic National Committee.”

But HAs clueless idiot will keep his mouth open in the O suck position.

69. Colonel Jocko 'Biff' O'Hanrahanrahan (Ret.) spews:

The BIAW is a bunch of wingnut cranks that take their ill-gotten gains to soil the airwaves with their elitist, anti-worker messages.

70. Colonel Jocko 'Biff' O'Hanrahanrahan (Ret.) spews:

Wax — Read #65. Those are your people. The New York Daily News today had a cartoon that encourages assassination.

Check it out. You are such a chump!

71. Puddybud, Hey it's the new year... spews:

We’ll see if Keith O is a humble ASShole or the pompous ASShole he acts on PMSNBC.

72. Puddybud, Hey it's the new year... spews:

#68

Somehow I can’t hear you leadless douchy. Your words are coming in as white noise……

73. YLB spews:

65 – LMAO!!! I wonder if our village idiot will call out to him now?

In these perilous times for failed right wing ideology, wingers have to stick togther.

74. Puddybud, Hey it's the new year... spews:

Hey Stupid@65:

Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid wrote the bill not Obama fool. This is well documented. I realize this is difficult to process since we all know this except a few fooltards in HA.

NEXT!

““Yes, we wrote the bill. Yes we won the election, but that doesn’t mean we don’t want sustainability or Republican support,” Pelosi said.”

Goodness what fools live on the left.

@71, everyone knows you are HAs village idiot. No one, no one, no one has claimed otherwise.

75. Marvin Stamn spews:

54. YLB spews:
Nope. We’re angry because Bush, Rove and Company stole the elections.

 
I know this has been pointed out to you many times already…
 
The liberal rag, New York Times, did a count of the votes and agreed that there were more votes for bush.
 
Contrary to what many partisans of former Vice President Al Gore have charged, the United States Supreme Court did not award an election to Mr. Bush that otherwise would have been won by Mr. Gore.
  
Now MoveOn.

76. Marvin Stamn spews:

59. Roger Rabbit spews:
P.S., Your own candidate ran against your party!

 
Exactly. Otherwise obama would have lost.
 
If not for palin, chances are obama would have crushed mccain.

77. Marvin Stamn spews:

64. Roger Rabbit spews:
My property tax went up $36 a month this year. I had to cancel my newspaper subscription to pay it.

 
Be proud.
 
Like biden said, it’s patriotic to pay taxes.

78. Marvin Stamn spews:

68. Colonel Jocko ‘Biff’ O’Hanrahanrahan (Ret.) spews:
Those are your people.

 
“Your people?” You must be talking about those black folks again.
 
You can change your name headless, you can’t hide your hate for black people.

79. YLB spews:

There’s hope for our village idiot after all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCzbNkyXO50

LMAO!!

80. Puddybud, Hey it's the new year... spews:

Village Idiot@77: You mean there’s hope for yourself?

No one has ever challenged your name as HAs clueless idiot. Since HA is “the village”,

sucks to be you fool.

81. Puddybud, Hey it's the new year... spews:

Of course this is lost oh the HA loons…

82. manoftruth spews:

@77
thats pretty funny yentel, will they look for the jewish gene next? or can we only make fun of christians?
hey, do your synagouge administrators still take their tax exempt card, go to the wholesale stores, but stuff tax free and resell it after services? i mean , geithner figures only goys pay taxes and i know when they first opened those wholesale stores i used to work their and one of the synagogue admins told me she did that.

83. Puddybud, Hey it's the new year... spews:

Awwww it looks like more libtard radio programming died…

Gee, I’m not sad…

84. Puddybud, Hey it's the new year... spews:

manoftruth:

HAs clueless village idiot is half moron and half fool. He’s not Jewish. Some people think he’s had an brain aneurysm because his scatterbrained posts have no meaning. Rerun, his other name continues to post his Pavlov dog web site on cue.

85. Puddybud, Hey it's the new year... spews:

Wow looks like Randi Four Gunshots Rhodes is missing…

Ha ha ha and so is her radio show.

“Drobny confirms that Malloy has found a way to continue broadcasting. Meanwhile, Rhodes flagship WJNO in West Palm Beach has temporarily substituted Sean Hannity’s program in the afternoon slot due to the absence of her program.”

snicker…

86. Puddybud, Hey it's the new year... spews:

I wonder if Obama for his next Commerce Pick will call H&R Block first.

87. Mr. Cynical spews:

3. Rosie Redfinger spews:

#2 — Like that wasn’t predictable. How are insurance premiums for injured workers the same as union dues?

Easy..State Employees are forced to pay part of their salaries to the Union in the form of dues. Nothing voluntary. The argument could be made that PUBLIC MONEY (State Employee Salaries including Union Dues) is being re-directed to the Union which uses these dues for POLITICAL PURPOSES.
Hardly a stretch….but you will deny it.
Let’s go to a public vote on Right to Work including State Employees.
After all, it is PUBLIC MONEY going to the Unions.

88. Mr. Cynical spews:

Hey KLOWNS–
Obama is sending 10,000 more troops to Afghanistan and no one has left Iraq.
Where is your outrage??
I thought Obama was gonna get us out of all conflicts??

89. Puddybud, Hey it's the new year... spews:

Did some moron yesterday MountainofBlackburned claim in “More breathtaking financial fraud alleged” Stanford loved Republicans? Yes he did!

Even ABC News is saying…

“A video posted on the firm’s web-site shows Stanford, now sought by U.S. Marshals, being hugged by Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi and praised by former President Bill Clinton for helping to finance a convention-related forum and party put on by the National Democratic Institute.”

“although the vast majority of the money has gone to Democrats.”

90. correctnotright spews:

@2: It takes an idiot like Stamm to say this:

How many democrats, including the ones that profess their faith in God also believe in killing unborn children.

How many republicans who supported Abramoff (all of them) helped pay for forced abortions in the NMI?

Those are the hypocrites – not the people who thing that abortion is bad (and we should limit it by supporting contraception), but that it is the choice of the mother (not the state-enforced and mandated decision that will lead to illegal and deadly coat hanger abortions). Of course the same people that want to limit contraception (more government control) are the ones who are against abortions – and abstinance has been proven to be ineffective (ask Sarah Palin’s unwed teenage daughter).

91. steve spews:

@82 A new friend? You can do better than that. Hmm, maybe you just want him for a pet. If that’s the case, my bad, Puddy.

92. correctnotright spews:

@86: cynical idiot – where was YOUR outrage when Bush put us into Iraq for no reason?

Obama is simply keeping his word – he has said from the beginning that Afghanistan is the bigger threat and that Iraq was a distraction.

Why are you such an idiot? Can’t you read? Are you so busy trying to criticize Obama that you don’t even know his stands on the issues?

You are an embarassment to even the ignorant trolls!

93. steve spews:

@88 I’ve always suspected that a NMI junket was to a Republican congressman what a vacation to the Dominican Republican was to Limbaugh.

94. correctnotright spews:

Puddy’s new buddy: Woman of truth, the Jew-hating moron from the republican wingnut-sphere.

Hey, woman of truth, it is really funny watching you accuse anyone you disagree with of being a Jew. Your disease is manifesting itself – I suggest you take your meds more often.

95. YLB spews:

LMAO!!! The village idiot / hypocrite calls out to the anti-semite.

They stick together through thick and thin.

And NOW is the thin.

96. Michael spews:

@86

Obama’s doing what he said he’d do in regards to The ‘Stan.

97. YLB spews:

73 – I don’t take orders from fools like you.

The 2000 election was stolen in Florida by the suppression of black voters among other tactics. The NAACP has no doubt about this and it’s been very well documented by journalists like Greg Palast.

98. manoftruth spews:

it fucking yentels cracke me up that u yentels love unwed black mothers , give them welfare and food stamps, give condoms to 6th graders, teach sex to middle school, yet have to bring up sarah palins unwed daughter. did u see the movie the stand? you fucking tools

99. YLB spews:

Fool @ 86

If you had been listening to what Obama said on the stump instead of what’s filtered through right wing hate radio, you would have heard that Obama supports shoring up Afghanistan against a resurgent Taliban while drawing down Iraq responsibly.

The current schedule for the bulk of combat forces to be withdrawn from Iraq is 16 months. Petraeus and Odierno prefer 23 months but Obama so far isn’t buying it.

100. manoftruth spews:

did u see the pope dope slap the jewish tool nancy pelosi today?

101. Puddybud, Hey it's the new year... spews:

Idiot stump@95: Why do you call me the village idiot, when I’ve been calling you HAs clueless idiot for over a year? Since no one has said anything otherwise and you love the HA village, you are the HA village idiot. Keep projecting fool. You can’t run away from what you are – a fooltard, HAs clueless village idiot.

You should be proud the other HA lefties recognize you for what you are… clueless… a fool… a moron… and an idiot. Be proud man. Tell you children who you are on HA. Tell that SEIU wife you are the HA idiot.

As Puddy stated before if Gore contested all 67 counties he probably wins. He said the same thing. Instead as NYT said, he screwed the pooch.

But you are still the HA clueless village idiot.

102. YLB spews:

92 – CNR – nice observation about manoflunacy but I think he spits out his meds. They don’t taste like tic tacs to him.

As for manofidiocy’s new friend, our resident village idiot, there’s no substance in the known universe that can constructively animate a right wing propaganda-driven zombie/ghoul.

103. steve spews:

did u see the post where i explained the shift key to you

104. steve spews:

press shiftKEY LIKE THIS cool
try it manotruth
make you look smart

105. Puddybud, Hey it's the new year... spews:

HA clueless village idiot@93:

I guess Puddy being the first to spot you as half moron and half fool hit a nerve. Well pedophile I guess life sucks…

Yesiree I expect Pavlov’s dog to post his sex offenders site now.

106. Puddybud, Hey it's the new year... spews:

It’s too bad rerun, HAs clueless village idiot can’t think of anything original.

107. steve spews:

look smart not stoopid

looky manotruth
SHIFT SHIFT SHIFT
not easy for you
takes two fingers

108. steve spews:

maybe puddy hold shif key for you
make you look smart

109. Puddybud, Hey it's the new year... spews:

Dr NotRight, so manoftruth is now my new buddy?

You’ve been reaching all day..
Starting with the post the House doesn’t generate US spending bills (can you say TARP1 foolishness) and now you post #92.

Today you drank Steve’s Stupid Solution. If you were as bad in the office as you were on this blog, I really hope you have medical malpractice insurance. You were in bad form today.

110. Puddybud, Hey it's the new year... spews:

Steve, you are back in the closet getting some of your stupid solution?

I thought you sold it all to Ekim, curried goat abuser/lover.

111. Puddybud, Hey it's the new year... spews:

Griffey back in Seattle.

112. steve spews:

Um, if monoftrash drank Steve’s Stupid Solution it just might do him a world of good.

He’s not some alter-ego, sockpuppet thing your up to these days, is he, Puddy?

113. steve spews:

@109 I like that.

So is Roger Maris the single season homerun king again? Where’s Ford Frick and his asterisk when we need him?

114. Puddybud, Hey it's the new year... spews:

Steve@110, are you stupid like HAs clueless village idiot?

115. steve spews:

@112 The stupid one around these parts goes by the name of Manoftruth. He even makes Marvin and Cynical look smart. That takes some doing.

116. manoftruth spews:

u see whats happening now on the mexican border with drug cartels? and its coming to us, because jews want open borders so that can water down the white christian male. so for their selfish purposes they are taking down a nation.

117. manoftruth spews:

by the way, fuck u eric holder for calling us cowards

118. Rujax! spews:

the “manofbullshit” and the pudddybitch.

a match made in hell…just where lying losers like them end up.

119. Colonel Jocko 'Biff' O'Hanrahanrahan (Ret.) spews:

re 85: Read my pussy lips, Cynical: The union membership has a CHOICE as to whether a portion of their dues goes to political purposes.

The top-down Pigs at the BIAW just swipe the insurance premiums and spend them on right wing claptrap TV ads that are against the workers own interests.

How can you be so obtuse.

120. Colonel Jocko 'Biff' O'Hanrahanrahan (Ret.) spews:

How do you know when a BIAW rep. is lying?

121. Puddybud, Hey it's the new year... spews:

What? Dense as spent uranium Rujax! came in?

Came in his pants again with that #116 comment

122. Puddybud, Hey it's the new year... spews:

@118: Because leadless douchy says so?

123. Puddybud, Hey it's the new year... spews:

Manoftruth: Please keep down the race hatred. Yes there are Democratics who are showing their American hatred. It’s better to show us who votes how than spelling out their heritage.

Let bentoversmellinghisfarts and leadless douchy apply the race hatred 24×7.

124. YLB spews:

The village idiot broadcast a request. Who am I to balk?

http://www.republicanoffenders.com/

It’s his party and he can’t cry but for stupid joy.

The rest of us unfortunately have to pick up the pieces.

125. manoftruth spews:

puddy, its not race hatred. all i’m doing is pointing out the same thing nyt editorial writer richard rosenthal points out when he says “the white christian power structure”. i’m just pointing out the jewish power structure. so tell me, why can rosenthal say it but i cant?

126. Puddybud, Hey it's the new year... spews:

HAs clueless village idiot@122,

Psychological issues? Why are you writing to yourself fool?

HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR

Just like Pavlov’s dog he responds. Butt, I thought you told the world HAs clueless village idiot@122 you don’t take orders from me.

This is the third order in a row you’ve successfully carried out. Makes you a liar again.

HAs clueless village idiot

Moron

Liar

Fooltard

127. Puddybud, Hey it's the new year... spews:

Then manoftruth use that as part of your argument. Now I understand what you are writing about.

128. Puddybud, Hey it's the new year... spews:

HAs clueless village idiot@122

Have you told your children what a turkey you are? When will they find out? When their friends parents read this blog?

HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR

129. Mr. Cynical spews:

Obama’s popularity continues to plunge…free-fall. From today’s Rasmussen:

Thursday, February 19, 2009

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Thursday shows that 38% of the nation’s voters now Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Twenty-five percent (25%) Strongly Disapprove to give Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of +13 (see trends).

It was as high as +33. Obama has frittered away plenty of political capital. People are starting to mutter:
O==One
B==Bad
A==Ass
M==Move
A==America

130. Mr. Cynical spews:

Boy, the Illinois Democrats are really showing us CHANGE YOU CAN BELIEVE IN, aren’t they?
Folks will start to connect the dots. Where there is smoke, there is OBAMA!
Liars, Tax Cheats & PORK Peddlers==Democrats

131. slingshot spews:

The local chapters of the BIAW use the refunds as ammunition to get members to re-up on their membership dues. A member general or sub contractor will not get their refund check until it pays the current year’s dues. Those dues are $450.00 a year here in Kitsap. When I was still contracting, they’d call to inform me that they had a check waiting to be sent, as soon as they received their membership dues. I passed.
I wonder what happens to that spurned money? Does it go back to the state fund, or into the BIAW’s bank account?

132. manoftruth spews:

by the way, speaking of racism. i never watch the view, but my wife does, i try not to even listen. i couldnt catcth the whole thing, but it was something to do with maybe lebron james and racism. i’m so fucking sick of the fulltime topic in this country is racism. go the fuck away

133. Puddybud, Hey it's the new year... spews:

Hey Jonny boy…

Where is your pithy response to your accusations in http://horsesass.org/?p=12757 ?

134. YLB spews:

LMAO!!! The HA’s village idiot’s feelings got hurt.. Awwwwwwww…

See my thumb and forefinger..

I’m playing the world’s tiniest violin for HA’s resident moron.

http://www.republicanoffenders.com/

135. Puddybud, Hey it's the new year... spews:

What is the lying I don’t take orders from Puddy Pavlov’s dog babbling about @132?

Maybe leadless douchy and his 27 sock puppets can assist.

I like my ASS. It helps me deliver the goods. I know why you laugh yours off. No goods to deliver. IQ = penis length = 0.

136. YLB spews:

133 – So moronic.. So irrelevant…

So penis obsessed. Now he’s bragging about his ass.

The fool should show it to Limbaugh. The fat man could use a break from the side-effects of Viagra.

Perfect. Big Pants’ ultimate tool..

Sad.

137. Marvin Stamn spews:

90. correctnotright spews:
@86: cynical idiot – where was YOUR outrage when Bush put us into Iraq for no reason?
Obama is simply keeping his word – he has said from the beginning that Afghanistan is the bigger threat and that Iraq was a distraction.

 
And bush kept his word and put troops in iraq.
 
But like the left-wingnuts were saying for the last 6 years of the bush presidency…
 
Iraq didn’t attack us. The people attacked us were from pakistan.
 
Did afghanistan attack us? Weren’t the alleged perpetrators of 9/11 from pakistan?
 
Change?
 
Nope, the same strategy of attacking countries that didn’t attack us.

138. Marvin Stamn spews:

81. Puddybud, Hey it’s the new year… spews:
Awwww it looks like more libtard radio programming died…

 
Why won’t liberals support liberal radio.
 
But it does explain why lefties hate the free market, without government involvement liberal ideas are unable to attract sponsors.

139. Puddybud, Hey it's the new year... spews:

Oooooh wow such a “powerful” cumback@133.

Powerfully moronic…

140. Marvin Stamn spews:

Everyone knew this was coming…
 
During the bush administration dissent was considered patriotic. Now with a democrat in office the left can’t stand stand to hear about the failings of their savior.
 
An Oklahoma City police officer wrongly pulled over a man last week and confiscated an anti-President Barack Obama sign the man had on his vehicle.

Capt. Steve McCool of the Oklahoma City Police Department is seen in this NewsOK.com video frame grab. McCool says an officer who wrongly pulled a man over last week and confiscated an anti-Barack Obama sign from his vehicle misinterpreted the sign as threatening.

The officer misinterpreted the sign as threatening, said Capt. Steve McCool, of the Oklahoma City Police Department, and took the sign, which read “Abort Obama, not the unborn.”
 
Yup, an obama supporter taking signs of dissent. Typical.
 
At least this proud democrat, instead of the “hide the truth” left wingnuts on this site, knows some truth.
 

”I asked the officer, ‘Do you know what abort means?’” Harrison said. “He said, ‘Yeah, it means to kill.’ I said, ‘No, it means to remove or terminate.’”

  
Like the obama supporter said, abortion means to kill.

141. Puddybud, Hey it's the new year... spews:

Marvin, I have the same link in another thread.

Yep

142. Rosie Redfinger spews:

The BIAW is spending someone else’s insurance premium on kooky wingnut TV ads.???!!!

Disgraceful!!

143. YLB spews:

Like the obama supporter said, abortion means to kill.

Stamn should be the poster fool for a return to the back alley.

Ignorant moron.

Last time I looked OK was as red as all get out.

Here’s a little google for the resident fools:

Results 1 – 10 of about 117,000 for “kill obama”. (0.21 seconds)

Dissent?

144. YLB spews:

Did afghanistan attack us?

Yes, according to the chimp you fools voted for twice.

Those who harbor the terrorists (the Taliban in this case) are just as culpable.

But the situation over there seems completely over the heads of fools and it wouldn’t do any good for anyone to set fools straight on it.

Yes Marvin, you’re one of those fools.

145. Marvin Stamn spews:

141. YLB spews:
Like the obama supporter said, abortion means to kill.
Last time I looked OK was as red as all get out.

 
So let’s think about this for a minute.
 
A cop, belonging to a government union, that ylb believes is republican, decided to use his government backed power to take a patriotic* sign from someone that he agrees with.
 
No wonder Puddy points out how you earned the name clueless.
 
*like the left has been saying for the last 8 years, dissent is patriotic.

146. Steve spews:

@138 “During the bush administration dissent was considered patriotic”

Laughable.

147. Marvin Stamn spews:

142. YLB spews:
Did afghanistan attack us?
Yes, according to the chimp you fools voted for twice.

 
Yet it is obama, and not voters that voted for the chimp that is sending young men to a war in a sovereign country.
 
Priceless. Unless it’s your son/daughter that obama is sending to war.
With obama as president, are the children of lefties now signing up for service? Or are they still letting the poor disadvantaged youth of america sacrifice their lives for the benefit of liberals/democrats?
 

Those who harbor the terrorists (the Taliban in this case) are just as culpable.

 
So that means obama is going to invade pakistan next? After all, the terrorists that allegedly brought down the towers were from pakistan.
  
Something maybe a left wingnut can answer. The left insisted that bush and his war was causing more terrorists. When those on the left watched the beheadings on youtube at the hands of islamic terrorists, did that cause them to join the military and fight what they considered wrong.

148. Marvin Stamn spews:

144. Steve spews:
@138 “During the bush administration dissent was considered patriotic”

Laughable.

 
Left wingnuts hate when you quote others on the left. As evidenced by your reaction to the comments of bush hating bill maher.
 
Did you hear about the pope and nancy pelosi. He said it was her duty to protect the unborn.
 
How do you feel about abortion?
 
How does your God feel about abortion?

149. YLB spews:

Again, no use arguing the complexities of the situation in Afghanistan to a fool.

Hint: After involvement dating back to Ronnie Raygun giving weapons to the Mujahideen fighters, Afghanistan should not have been left to backslide into the twelfth century.

The left insisted that bush and his war was causing more terrorists.

Yep, things like Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo Bay, torture prisons, and white phosphorous bombs tend to do that.

150. YLB spews:

A cop, belonging to a government union,

Anyone with a brain can see the cop acted on his own initiative not at the direction of any politicial party or union.

The Secret Service just did its job protecting the President.

But you don’t have much of brain so this doesn’t mean much to you.

151. Marvin Stamn spews:

147. YLB spews:
The left insisted that bush and his war was causing more terrorists.
Yep, things like Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo Bay, torture prisons, and white phosphorous bombs tend to do that.

 
You either missed the point due to reading comprehension problems or intentionally avoided it.
 
If the actions of bush increased the number of terrorists, why didn’t images of the world trade centers falling and beheading cause liberals to stand up and enlist in the military.

152. YLB spews:

If the actions of bush increased the number of terrorists, why didn’t images of the world trade centers falling and beheading cause liberals to stand up and enlist in the military.

You really want to ask this question.

Some liberals did. A certain nfl football player named Pat Tillman who was broadminded and free-thinking enough to read Noam Chomsky and realized right off the bat that the Iraq invasion was at best ill-advised and at worst illegal. He enlisted, saw action and was killed by friendly fire in Afghanistan for his trouble.

By why would anyone enlist, liberal or conservative? The armed forces were well staffed and equipped to do the job. And just like the 1992 WTC bomber was caught and put in jail without many shots being fired, what was the big deal about catching bin Laden and al-Zawahiri and company and bringing them to justice?

What indeed? Except maybe as Pat Tillman saw an agenda of war making and war profiteering for its own sake.

153. Puddybud, Hey it's the new year... spews:

Marvin Stamn trying to talk some sense into HAs clueless idiot:

You either missed the point due to reading comprehension problems or intentionally avoided it.

Marvin give it up… HAs clueless village idiot and reason are polar opposites.

154. YLB spews:

All those small contractors deserve to get their money back, especially with the economy in the toilet, not pay for a bunch of horseshit right-wing television ads.

Right wing shitheads of course live for those horseshit right wing television ads.

For the right wing, you could broadcast those 24/7, 365 days per year and they’d be happier than pigs in a wallow.

Not a bad idea for a cable or satellite tv channel- wall to wall right wing horseshit tv ads. You could make a butt-load of money off the ignorance of right wing fools.

Anyone with a brain of course would avoid paying for such crap and laugh at it.