Disunity: Kennedy/McCarthy rift still divides Democrats 40 years later


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    Rujax! spews:

    What a GREAT time to be a Democrat!

    Giving the rethuglicants the Democratic ratfucking they so rightfully deserve will be rich.

    Rove in an orange suit…be still my beating heart!

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    busdrivermike spews:

    If Sarah Palin gets injured in a car accident, will McCain replace her with a hotter VP?

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    W. Klingon Skousen spews:

    To honor the U.S. troops and Iraqi civilians who have died for WMD’s that did not exist, we should have immediate congressional hearings.

    Also, John McCain owes the country an Alszheimer’s Test before this thing goes any further.

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    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @1 Only 67 days from now, the “reagan revolution” will be buried in a landfill.

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    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @2 She looks like his administrative assistant. In fact, that’s what she’ll be if he wins. Until he has a stroke or dementia. Then, God help us.

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    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Picking Palin has nothing to do with leadership or governing. It’s a bald attempt to steal women voters from the Democratic ticket and prevent the anticipated hemorrhaging of right-to-life voters who don’t trust McCain. If McCain somehow wins on Nov. 4, Palin’s usefulness will end the next day.

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    Two Dogs spews:

    @8 I don’t agree. Dan Quayle was important to maintaining Bush’s credibility with the religious right throughout his term. Quayle undoubtedly had influence, such as choosing Clarence Thomas for the Supreme Court. Palin is undoubtedly at least as qualified as Quayle and will be an important player if (God help us) she and McCain are elected. She may be low on the experience/qualification scale, but no lower than Quayle was. Of course she doesn’t measure up to Hillary Clinton in any way. But she should be taken seriously and not mocked. McCain is indeed throwing a Hail Mary pass here because he knows he has no other chance of winning. But those tactics sometimes succeed, and we will need to put serious effort into seeing that it doesn’t.

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    RonK, Seattle spews:

    RR @ 7 — Determined to alienate both seniors and women, are we?

    Sorry, I forgot … Obama plans to win without them.

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    Dan Quayle at least participated in the _real_ policy discussions in the Senate, as opposed to Ms. Hotness who participated in discussions in the town council (pop. = Mayberry) about what to do with the bears in the township dump.

    All I can say about this pick is “soft bigotry of low expectations.”

    When she debates Biden, all she has to do is show up and she gets points.

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    Marvin Stamn spews:

    2. busdrivermike spews:
    If Sarah Palin gets injured in a car accident, will McCain replace her with a hotter VP?

    Paris hilton?
    Her commercial made better sense than both mcsame and obama.

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    Marvin Stamn spews:

    2. busdrivermike spews:
    If Sarah Palin…her with a hotter VP?

    Think of it this way. With her hotness further south in washington dc her hotness would no longer be melting the polar ice caps.
    A vote for sarah is a vote to stop the melting.

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    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Newsweek’s Political Columnist Predicts ‘Belly Flop’

    Newsweek’s Jonathan Alter begins his column about McCain’s selection of Palin with:

    “Happy birthday, Johnny Mac! You’re 72 now, a cancer survivor, and a presidential candidate who has said on many occasions that the most important criteria for picking a vice-president is whether he or she could immediately step in if something happened to the president.

    “Your campaign against Barack Obama is based on the simple idea that he is unready to be president.

    “So you’ve picked a running mate who a year-and-a-half ago was the mayor of Wasilla, Alaska, a town of 8,500 people. You’ve selected a potential leader of the free world who knows little or nothing about the major issues of the day beyond energy. Oh, and she’s being probed in her state for lying and abuse of power.”

    After discussing what McCain sees in Palin, Alter continues:

    “But there’s a reason that rookies rarely score hat tricks. It’s not her lack of name recognition; America loves a fresh face …. The problem is that politics, like all professions, isn’t as easy as it looks.

    “Palin’s odds of emerging unscathed this fall are slim. In fact, she’s been all but set up for failure. … [W]hat does she know about Iranian nukes, health care, or the future of entitlement programs? And that’s just a few of the 20 or so national issues on which she will be expected to show basic competence.

    “The McCain camp will have to either let her wing it based on a few briefing memos (highly risky) or prevent her from taking questions from reporters (a confession that she’s unprepared). Either way, she’s going to belly flop … when McCain can least afford it.

    “Even on energy, Palin has her work cut out for her. First she has to convince McCain to flip-flop and support drilling in the Alaska National Wildlife Reserve. [And] her much-repeated soundbite that ANWR is only the size of the Los Angeles airport and thus not environmentally destructive … won’t do much to counter the argument Obama made … that drilling is only a ‘stop gap’ ….

    “Palin will benefit from very low expectations in her debate with Joe Biden, but she’s going to have to have a photographic memory for new information to avoid getting creamed. …

    “Reporters are already winging their way to Alaska to probe what Alaskans call ‘Wootengate,’ the story of the firing of former state trooper Mike Wooten, engaged in a nasty custody fight with his ex-wife, who is Palin’s sister. … Because the media loves scandal of any kind, especially one involving the potential use of public power to settle private family scores, this story will prove a distraction to the McCain campaign all fall long.

    “It’s hard to know how many women will flock to the GOP ticket because of Palin, who is passionately anti-abortion. … But many voters will … wonder whether Palin should undertake the rigors of the vice-presidency (and perhaps the presidency) while caring for a disabled infant. …

    ” … [I]t’s possible that Palin is so talented that she will prove to be the face of the GOP’s future. More likely, this ‘Hail Sarah’ pass won’t do much to help John McCain get into the end zone.”

    (Quoted under fair use.)

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    Dave spews:

    @14 Roger Rabbit: While I’m sure they’re not giving-up the presidential campaign, I’d give at least some credence to Seattlejew’s suggestion (in the previous topic) that the Palin selection includes strategy for hanging onto some governor, senate, and congressional seats.

    It’s also possible they want to pull her out of Alaska and expose her own dirty laundry in a national forum as retribution for the damage she’s done to corrupt and very powerful “Republicans” in Alaska, along with their crooked Big Oil cronies. This could be an “honor killing” of the political sort…

    Palin candidacy raises eyebrows in Alaska


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    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @12 Hilton probably got the material for her spoof ad from Obama’s speechwriters. In any case, she sure as hell didn’t get it from the McCain camp.

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    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @16 Hmmm, that’s an interesting perspective, and one that escaped me. There might be something to it.

    However, I also have to believe McCain picked a third-string walk-on player because none of the scholarship boys were interested in being tackling dummies.

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    Dave spews:

    @19: Add that one to the list as well, and it’s starting to shape-up into a “sensible” selection…

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    Century of the Common man spews:

    I thought this had to do with the Kennedy-McCarthy issue. The reality is Bobby Kennedy had a deep resentment of Eugene McCarthy that dates back to McCarthy’s dramatic nomination speech for Adlai Stevenson at the Democratic Convention held in LA in 1960. In about 12 minutes, McCarthy nearly diminished all of the Kennedy effort to secure the Democratic nomination… I really don’t think folks appreciate how close the Democrats were in 1960 to complete chaos. Had Stevenson been alittle more thoughtful and put an effort into making a formal declaration as to his candidacy, the Kennedy nomination could have been blocked on the first ballot… then chaos with many possible senarios with few being attractive to Kennedy due to the Stevenson surge.

    McCarthy stood up to Johnson and openly challenged him in 1968 starting in the New Hampshire primary followed by Wisconsin. Kennedy entered after Johnson withdrew which was after the battle of toppling an incumbent President. Kennedy never should have entered the primaries as McCarthy had already made the case against Viet Nam. Unfortunately, the Democrats have never recovered from 1968. In contrast, the Republicans seized the opportunity to develop a new “Southern strategy” that evolved from the Goldwater debacle that has created an electoral majority in 7 of the last 10 Presidential elections.

    I am not convinced that the Democrats understand what they need to do to create a majority to win.

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    Century of the Common man spews:

    Just for the record, Dan Quayle managed to pull off a fairly significant political upset when he defeated Birch Bayh in his first Senate campaign… off hand, I can’t remember if it was 1980 as part of the Reagan coattails or in 1982. I was never impressed with his choice as a VEEP in 1988

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    Dave spews:

    @22 Common man: Sorry about that–the Trolls went into a frenzy over kibble on the Palin thread…

    I believe Barack Obama outlined last night what is necessary: instilling an ethic of personal responsibility and mutual responsibility, participatory government, and the assurance of access to a college education for anyone willing enough to work for their community or country.

    The Southern Strategy, or what I call the “Idiot Vote” relies on appealing to people’s prejudices, their fears, and their mistrust of promises of “free” handouts from the government.

    The best way to turn that around is to include people as part of the process, to provide them with inspiration, and not to promise a free lunch.

    The only way to bring people out of an abusive funk is to get them up off of their asses.

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    Dave spews:

    Individual responsibility and mutual responsibility — that’s the essence of America’s promise.

    That’s the promise of America — the idea that we are responsible for ourselves, but that we also rise or fall as one nation; the fundamental belief that I am my brother’s keeper; I am my sister’s keeper.

    And we will keep our promise to every young American — if you commit to serving your community or our country, we will make sure you can afford a college education.

    -Barack Obama

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    Century of the Common man spews:

    No apology needed… the Palin choice really has left me speechless. After being critical of Obama for choosing Biden instead of either Nunn, Hillary or Bayh, I think McCain pushed the VEEP selection process to NEW LIMITS THAT I JUST DID NOT THINK WAS REMOTELY POSSIBLE.

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    Century of the Common man spews:

    McCain could have selected Bloomberg, Lieberman or even Elizabeth Dole instead…

    okay I admit that I just failed miserably in this election year with my list for both parties