Did Brownie lie under oath?

Yesterday, former FEMA direct Michael Brown accused HA of publishing false and defamatory statements about his resume. Yeah… whatever. But the observant folk over at Capitol Buzz point out that if anybody should be accused of making false statements about Brownie’s resume, it is Brownie himself:

At this point everyone knows that Mike Brown’s resume was exaggerated. But what many people don’t know is that Brown signed an affidavit attesting to his resume’s accuracy when he was first nominated to be the head of FEMA. With his appearance before Congress today, Brown contradicted that affidavit and could now face criminal charges.

Earlier today, Brown said under OATH: “I started out as an intern in the planning office. I then became the assistant to the city manager, where I was liaison to the Emergency Services Division, the police and fire departments. I ended up drafting the emergency operations plan. I ended up putting together with a committee the emergency operations center. I worked closely with the emergency, fire and police departments.”

But on the resume he submitted to the Senate Homeland Security and Government Affairs Committee in 2002 when he was up for confirmation, it says the following: “1975-78, Assistant City Manager, Police, Fire & Emergency Services, Edmond, Oklahoma.”

And of course, those weren’t the only false statements Brownie made under oath before congressional committees. Think Progress puts the lie to Brownie’s testimony that Louisiana Gov. Blanco’s Aug. 27th request for a federal emergency declaration excluded Orleans, Jefferson and Plaquerines parishes. But…

In fact, Blanco requested the President to declare a disaster in ” all the southeastern parishes ,” which includes Orleans, Jefferson and Plaquemines . See the request for yourself HERE.

Kind of funny when a blog named “HorsesAss.org” has more credibility than I high level federal appointee, huh? Um… actually… it’s kind of sad.

Comments

  1. 2

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    Goldy is merely pushing his political agenda….no matter what!
    Brown was certainly underqualified though. How many other Brownie’s are there in Washington State government???
    Let’s look at all the Washington State Agency Heads and other Gregoire political appointments.
    Goldy wouldn’t ever do that…
    He would be booted from his position of MINISTER OF MISINFORMATION!

  2. 3

    horse whisperer spews:

    2,

    That’s BS, wonder how you would have liked it if you had been kicked out of hotel in NO and ended up at convention center, no working facilities, no food, no water, at least 90 degrees. With the head of FEMA totally clueless. While the rest of the nation had been watching the horror on tv for 36 hours.

  3. 4

    horse whisperer spews:

    Oh, I should mention that Brownie testified under oath yesterday that he was aware of the plight of the convention center, was just tired and had forgot about convention center when that, deer caught in the headlamp, cnn interview took place.

  4. 5

    Greg L spews:

    Watching Blanco on TV and she’s playing the blame game as well. It’s obvious that all Politicians LIE!!! Apparently Fox News is not the only ones that are saying that killings and rapes didn’t happen like the liberal media once reported either. Liberal Media Lies as well!

  5. 6

    Greg L spews:

    Blanco is lying on the stand today! Liberal media also now states that the killings, beatings and rapes didn’t really happen as they once claimed!

  6. 7

    spyder spews:

    I might agree w/ his royal cynicalness if we were to agree that worse than incompetence is corruption among any and all public officials, regardless of party affiliation and partisan agendas. And the appearance of corruption in a media based culture is equally as disturbing; in that, given what passes for factual representation by many troll posters on this blog, factual veracity is meaningless in our concurrent faith based reality. When a nominee for the SCOTUS can simply avoid responding to Senatorial inquiry thus deceiving the populace from access to his personal (federalist society) agenda, we live in times that require more forthrightness and disclosure, not less.

    but if cynical et al are merely trying to launch partisan political attacks in other directions to avoid the embarrassment of what is happening to this nation’s leadership, then i cannot agree w/ them at all.

  7. 9

    Danno spews:

    Goldy had NO part in “bringing down” a Bush appointee, none.

    You lunatic leftist fringehead moonbats here at HA are immaterial and insignificant.

  8. 10

    horse whisperer spews:

    7.)

    Have to agree that OLE Brownie’s done ‘one heck of a job’ hanging himself with his own rope!

  9. 12

    Ed Marshall spews:

    You lunatic leftist fringehead moonbats here at HA are immaterial and insignificant.

    That’s starting to sound a lot like “watchoo talkin about Willis” or “de plane, de plane!”.

  10. 13

    s-choir spews:

    re 7: You are representative of all that is wrong with the extreme right wing of the Republican Party. Your religious views are irresposible and false to true Christian values. You have sold out the earnest and real conservative movement to a reckless and freewheeling bunch of JACKANAPES. Their radical agenda will not stand and the generations that follow will not be paying for all the debt they are creating. If worst comes to worst, every trust fund baby in the U.S. will have to give up their money for the common good. Nowhere in the constitution does it say that we are bound to maintain a useless, monied aristocracy.

    “HE WHO WILL NOT WORK SHALL NOT EAT!”

  11. 14

    NoWonder spews:

    spyder @ 5

    As in Ginsburg –

    When a nominee for the SCOTUS … personal (Planned Parenthood) agenda, we live in times that require more forthrightness and disclosure, not less.

  12. 15

    Nowonder spews:

    s-choir

    ‘Nowhere in the constitution does it say that we are bound to maintain a useless, monied aristocracy.’

    And nowhere in the real world would any reasonable person say the US is even close to what you spew.

    “HE WHO WILL NOT WORK SHALL NOT EAT!”

    You keep saying that and the dems will lose about 20 million votes.

  13. 16

    s-choir spews:

    re 12: You’re talking about me “spewing”!!?? Tom DeLay , Frist, Halliburton, bankruptcy ripoffs of the poor while the financially well-off further unfairly insulates itself from the reality its policies create, billions of $$$’s lost in Iraq(Vietnam) , cronyism so crass it makes me sick. Tell you what NoWonder—- you are exactly that in every sense anyone could possibly think of!!

  14. 17

    NoWonder spews:

    s-choir – ‘You’re talking about me “spewing”!!??’

    Yes. You have all the buzzs words, but you do not really say anything. (You forgot Karl Rove – that name is a MUST per MoveOn.org 101.)

  15. 18

    Nindid spews:

    I love it when conservatives try and give Democrats campaign advice…. You are right that those words would probably not win a whole lot of votes, but neither does conservative speech win. If you want a bit of a primer, look at how often Bush actually articulated conservative ideas while on campaign. People don’t like to hear radical speech on either side.

    But at some point, you have to think the reality of people’s economic conditions will come into play. The Republicans have been masterful at bringing in poorer people drammatically hurt by their policies by throwing out one ‘cultural’ issue or another for twenty years. This works while people ar fat and happy, but as their policies take effect and more and more people are squeezed at the bottom, I am betting it will become less effective.

    Watch out for Edwards’ message of wealth vs. work at some point…

  16. 19

    NoWonder spews:

    Ed Marshall @ 9 – “de plane, de plane!”

    Not bad, after 5 years of Chickenlittle’s “The sky is falling!”.

  17. 20

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    Nindid–
    Are you talking about the Ambulance chaser Edwards who made many many millions working over and shaking down Doctors and others who try and help people. That Edwards?????????

  18. 21

    PAC spews:

    s-choir@10

    Can you be more contradictory? Make up your mind already…

    If worst comes to worst, every trust fund baby in the U.S. will have to give up their money for the common good. Nowhere in the constitution does it say that we are bound to maintain a useless, monied aristocracy

    At least you let people see your views for what they are…pure socialism. A system which has fallen on it’s face time and time again as the people quickly become overwhelmed by corruption and disillusioned because they have no reason whatsoever to work hard, be innovative and productive when they realize they will still get the same bowl of rice and ration of wheat for their efforts.

    But then you get all confused:

    “HE WHO WILL NOT WORK SHALL NOT EAT!”

    Well, which is it?

    As for the class envy, I’m always amazed at the idea that if your dad scrimped and saved and left you (say) $500. Money he paid taxes on when he earned it, money he paid taxes on when he saved it BTW, then, because he dies you want the gov’t to just come along and scoop it up for “the general good”.

    Or is it different if he left you $10,000, $100k, or a million? So who decides what a reasonable number is? You? Bushy?

    Of course, if a family has been working a farm, let’s say they have 100 acres, that “value” would reach well up there even though I think we’d all agree farmers are hardly “rich”. As soon as pop dies, you want “the state” to come in and confiscate everything and leave the whole family out in the cold. I suppose your solution is to put the families left on welfare afterward because you’ll have plenty of money with all the windfall.

    Yeah, what a great plan (sarc). I bet you really put some long hard thought into that one.

    As for the constitution, I point you to the 10th amendment:
    The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.
    Much as you may like it, the govt can not just go ride roughshod and start confiscating things like inheritance willy nilly because they want to (thankfully)

    Sure, it may seem unfair that some rich punk gets a free pass while you have to sweat for a living, but the alternative is 10x more unfair and would destroy everything that makes our country the most innovative and productive country in the world.

    Rather than envy and despise the rich, why not aspire and work to join them? There’s plenty of room.

    PAC

  19. 24

    NoWonder spews:

    Nindid @ 15

    ‘…look at how often Bush actually articulated conservative ideas while on campaign.’

    What planet were you on? Remember Social Security accounts, Partial Birth infanticide, tax cuts to move the economy, immigration reform, gay marriage, etc.

    You must remember that it was Kerry and Gore ran as fast as they could from the so-called “progressive” issues.

    ‘But at some point, you have to think the reality of people’s economic conditions will come into play.’

    That is what the repubs are hoping for. As soon as the lower class realizes that walking lock-step with the jack-booted dems has deepened and lengthened their poverty and lack of education, they will move to more conservative candidates. Maybe not the repubs, but certainly not the dems who espouse the HA garbage.

    The other demographic that is eating the dems is the aborted voters. Recent estimates are that Kerry would have had 4-6 million votes over Bush had Roe V. Wade not become the law of the land. i.e. the dems have been legally killing their new voters for 32 years. Something to think about.

  20. 25

    PAC spews:

    nindid@15

    “I love it when conservatives try and give Democrats campaign advice…”

    Yeah, after all, Democrats have lost the House, the White House, and the Senate all in the last 10 years. Why would such a successful group possibly want to listen to advice?

    “But at some point, you have to think the reality of people’s economic conditions will come into play”

    Yeah, that’s the answer, just sit back, wait and hope for doom and gloom and for millions of people to go poor…then thankfully you can get back into power.

    What a sad, sad, sad strategy. Alas, it seems very accurate and exactly what Dems seem to be counting on.

    Have you really nothing better to offer than THAT???

    PAC

  21. 26

    Lorry Wagner spews:

    You sure weren’t listening to him, were you? That’s NOT what he said. He said he knew about the Convention Center 36 hours before he spoke and when he said he “just learned” about it he was thinking in his mind that it was 36 hours before and that phrase didn’t come out! I would like to see “anyone” stay sharp as a tack under the pressure at the time with little or no sleep for day after day!

    The long and short of this is that horsesass broke this story without solid proof….depending on others who either like to or were set up to stretch the truth. This was a deplorable “injustice…big time” to Mike Brown. If I were he, I would sue the pants off all involved. And…I don’t believe in law suits…that tells you how disgusted I am with people who run off at the mouth with no brain power behind the blab!

  22. 27

    spews:

    Dear Lorry-

    What story did Goldy “break”?

    You mean the one about brown being another example of bushie cronyism? That one? Cause he sure as hell didn’t break any “convention center” stories.

    If you are going to pollute a blog with your comments, at least get the context right.

    Now load your fat ass on your “lorry” and motor on out of here.

  23. 28

    Ed Marshall spews:

    Not bad, after 5 years of Chickenlittle’s “The sky is falling!”.

    The sky is falling? Like Iraq is going to nuke us in 15 minutes or what?

  24. 29

    horse whisperer spews:

    Hey Lorry,

    Go read Representative Chris Shays(R) comments directed to Brownie. Perhaps Brownie ought to sue him for the ‘deer in the headlamp’ comments, referring to Brownie at yesterday’s hearing. Read Shays entire portion he was the toughest yet on Brownie, and he is a Republican. Made liberal Goldy look like a real pussy footer. And all he was referring to was Brownie’s inability to coordinate in NO. Brownie to the best of my knowledge took the FEMA position by his own will and that position would be under appointed political public official, thus his entire bio, resume and everything he has done in life is up for public scrutiny. Same threshold as someone running for political office. If Bush had worked the previous decade at IAHA, everything he did at IAHA, would be fair game. Just like Clinton and the blue dress. Both sides look into backgrounds, in fact, Rove leaves no opponent unscathed. One classic example would be McCain in South Carolina. Sure the D’s are and will make hay out of it, same as the R’s with Clinton and the mess on the dress. But most Republicans are more than dumbfounded that Brownie with his total lack of credentials was appointed director of FEMA.

  25. 30

    NoWonder spews:

    Ed Marshall @ 23

    The sky is falling?
    1. GW is going to declare the US a dictatorship prior to 2004 elections.
    2. GW is going to re-institute the draft after the 2004 election.
    3. The neocons (I just love that word) are going into Iraq to take the oil.
    4. The economy, being the worst since FDR, will go into depression in 2005 if GW gets elected.
    5. Tax cuts will reduce tax receipts.
    6. Downing Street memeo.
    7. Take your pick from Michael Moore’s movie.
    8. Much, much more.

    All I can say is that the lefties have been in hyperdrive ever since their favorite President impressed the entire world with his baby-sitting activities. And they hate GW because he epitomizes the normal America the left hates.

    I am beginning to believe that Karl Rove is as smart as the left proclaims. If he really is behind all this stuff he will go down in history as the one man who could keep the lefties chasing their tails for 8 years straight.

  26. 31

    JDB spews:

    Boy oh boy, I get busy for a few weeks, and this place gets trendy. Oh well, it is what always happens to a good place. In other news, the ss minnow’s site is investigating people sigining their ballots in red ink instead of blue of black ink.

    Goldy:

    If you are going to to prosecute Republican’s for lying, you are then going to have to prosecute Delay for violating campaign finance rules, Bill Frist for insider trading, Rove for outing CIA agents…., where does it stop? All these witch hunts; you must know by now that Republican’s are above the law.

    Hell, next you will expect the President to tell the truth about Iraq. What a dreamer you must be.

  27. 34

    NoWonder spews:

    horse whisperer @ 24

    ‘Read Shays entire portion he was the toughest yet on Brownie, and he is a Republican.’

    Leaving aside the fact that Shays is RINO, as opposed to a repub, where are the dems for this first opportunity to question Brown? Are they not interested?

    ‘But most Republicans are more than dumbfounded that Brownie with his total lack of credentials was appointed director of FEMA.’

    Actually, most repubs expect the government at all levels to be just this side of useless. We hope the exception to the rule is the military, yet I am pretty sure they could buy twice as much for the same money. Unless the kool-aid numbs the vision in addition to brain cells, it is easy to see that most political appointees are being elevated due to contributions. The only difference between the Bush and Clinton appointees is that Bush’s did not have trouble with FBI background checks.

  28. 35

    horse whisperer spews:

    Some moderate Republicans also have less than flattering terms for the shall we say more conservative members of the party.

  29. 37

    NoWonder spews:

    horse whisperer @ 36

    ‘Re the FBI background checks it would be fun to see Brownie’s.’

    Actually, it would be fun to see almost anyone’s FBI background checks. But then we would be falling into the mode most lefties claim is the intent of the Patriot Act.

    Also, many dems did get to see his FBI files as part of his confirmation. Where is the outrage?

  30. 38

    Ed Marshall spews:

    And they hate GW because he epitomizes the normal America the left hates.

    How much acid are you on?

    5. Tax cuts will reduce tax receipts.

    As little as I think of supply side economists that isn’t even their argument. There are some total asshats who try and pretend differently, it’s as impossible as it sounds. Tax cuts do reduce tax receipts. The bump expected in receipts is caused by the expiration of the accelerated depreciation tax cut. Receipts will continue to expand as different tax cut’s sunrise and “raise taxes”.

  31. 40

    NoWonder spews:

    Ed Marshall @ 38

    ‘Tax cuts do reduce tax receipts.’

    Unless they spur additional activity. Which is the case for most any of the significant tax cuts enacted in the last 50 years.

  32. 41

    horse whisperer spews:

    37.

    I’m not excusing the D’s who apparently didn’t dig too deep or deep enough. Something does tell me that far more scrutiny will be applied to positions such as director of FEMA in the future. To cut the Senate conformation process a lttle slack, Brownie to the best of my knowledge only appeared before the committee when he was up for the Council to FEMA position. I think in the past that Commerce was the dumping grounds for guys like Brownie.

  33. 42

    Ed Marshall spews:

    Unless they spur additional activity. Which is the case for most any of the significant tax cuts enacted in the last 50 years.

    Maybe if I sacrifice kittens to the Sky God, in my Bush disliking deviance it spurs “additional activity”. There is absolutely no evidence to link tax cuts with GDP (which is what I’m assuming you believe grows). I could provide anecdotal counter-evidence, but it’s just more of the same. The plural of anecdote is pile of crap.

  34. 43

    NoWonder spews:

    horse whisperer @ 41

    ‘I think in the past that Commerce was the dumping grounds for guys like Brownie.’

    Or Education, Energy, HUD….the list goes on and on.

  35. 44

    horse whisperer spews:

    43, Fortunately none of the above involve pulling 90 year old folks out of attics. As well as coordinating food, water, sanitation, medical supplies.

  36. 45

    Ed Marshall spews:

    There is absolutely no evidence to link tax cuts with GDP (which is what I’m assuming you believe grows).

    You know that’s too kind. There is an formula to figure out if the Bush tax cut’s created your revenue increase, it’s GDP – consumption – savings = taxes. I kind of left that as so many angels on the head of a pin, but the fact is it was tax increases (in the form of sunset provisions leaving) that brought revenue back up.

  37. 46

    NoWonder spews:

    Ed Marshall @ 42

    ‘There is absolutely no evidence to link tax cuts with GDP (which is what I’m assuming you believe grows).’

    Except the historical kind. Before exercising the web I should ask what do you consider non-anecdotal?

    Actually personal and corporate incomes also grow when tax rates are lowered, in addition to GDP.

  38. 47

    NoWonder spews:

    Ed Marshall @ 45

    ‘…but the fact is it was tax increases (in the form of sunset provisions leaving) that brought revenue back up.’

    Are you sure your name is not really Paul Krugman?

  39. 48

    Ed Marshall spews:

    Go for historical.

    I can do the same.

    What point is it going to prove?

    I can show you that some of the greatest periods of growth in the 20th century were pre-dated by tax increases. As I’m not just trying to point score, or pretend that the idea that tax increases are what made the economy improve using a causal relationship between the two it’s not exactly my cup of tea, but if we are going to be dumb, bring it on.

  40. 49

    horse whisperer spews:

    Lorry, I don’t know if this is the same person but earlier in the month there was a Helen Kennedy story in the NY Daily news.
    “When Bush was elected, Mike knew he was going to Washington, said Lorre Wagner,” a Brown friend. Did Mike have his sights on FEMA at that time or just any ole plum job?

  41. 50

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    I believe I heard tonight that Germany has a much higher deficit to GDP ratio than the US.
    Ed—
    I believe those periods of growth pre-dated by tax increases also resulted in some of our highest inflation too.
    Kind of complex isn’t it.
    You tweak one thing….then fuck something else up.

  42. 51

    NoWonder spews:

    Ed Marshall @ 48

    How about common sense. If ROI increases due to a lower tax burden, would there not be more investment? If take-home pay is not reduced so much as a worker adds hours and/or second jobs, would there not be more incentive to do so?

  43. 52

    PAC spews:

    Perhaps if the partisan bickering on both sides would stop…and Dems would stop wasting what little credibility they have blocking relatively fair and qualified people like Roberts and the other 100+ judicial nominees they’ve been filibustering for the past few years…someone might listen to them when/if they object to confirmations like Brown.

    They’ve cried wolf so many times, I can’t even tell when they really have found an ignorant, unqualified scumbag, or if they’re just being mean and trying to score points.

    Their latest tactic of going after Delay, if it is proven to be totally baseless as Delay claims will just reaffirm that you can’t believe a darned thing one party says about the other.

    And before everyone starts pointing big fat fingers at Delay with glee, try and be a little humble, it wasn’t too long ago Dems had old Dan Rostenkowski indicted and convicted and sentenced to serious jailtime.

    FTR…I was pretty disgusted with Clinton’s silliness, but felt the Reps went WAY WAY WAY too far when they went for impeachment. I also felt sorry for Bork when he got blasted for no good reason whatsoever. Now that Roberts has had his bones picked over by political vultures, we wonder how an idiot like Brown gets in office?

    Isn’t it obvious? Both sides are spending so much time concentrating on scoring points and drawing blood, that they don’t bother doing the boring gruntwork like checking someone like Browns resume.

    As far as I’m concerned, Bush should be ashamed of himself for putting Brown in that spot, but the Dems should be equally ashamed. Not only didn’t they object when he was proposed, but they didn’t have any legit credibility to say anything even if they did.

    If only there were a way to get rid of the whole bunch of them and have a whole big pack of these guys go down in flames. Then maybe they’d tone down the BS rhetoric and do their jobs without always trying to ham to the media.

    PAC

  44. 53

    Lorry Wagner spews:

    NO>

    I don’t have to go read Shays comments…I watched the hearing…live!!! Shay was disgusting, rude and putting a “Clinton” spin on things. The Republicans don’t claim Shay! For good reason!!

  45. 54

    Another TJ spews:

    Perhaps if the partisan bickering on both sides would stop…and Dems would stop wasting what little credibility they have blocking relatively fair and qualified people like Roberts and the other 100+ judicial nominees they’ve been filibustering for the past few years…someone might listen to them when/if they object to confirmations like Brown.

    Please look up the number of nominees the Dems have actually filibustered and report back to us.

    If you do this research, and the number is dramatically lower, does that mean the Democrats have more credibility than you thought and that you should listen to them if they object to Bush nominees?

  46. 55

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    I’m sure the DingleBerries in the Freemount District will have their hiney’s in a tiff when they hear this:
    MOSCOW – A senior aide to President Vladimir Putin said Wednesday the time has come to bury the embalmed body of Soviet founder Vladimir Lenin — a statement that could be the Kremlin’s attempt to gauge public reaction to the divisive issue.

    Georgy Poltavchenko, Putin’s envoy to the Central Federal District, said Lenin’s body should be removed from its granite tomb on Red Square and buried in a cemetery along with remains of other Bolshevik dignitaries.

    Poltavchenko said he was voicing his private opinion on the matter and did not elaborate. Putin has said in the past he was against burying Lenin’s body.

    Maybe the Freemounters will bury Lenin’s Statue too? NAAAAAH, they are LENIN’S USEFUL IDIOTS!!

  47. 56

    spews:

    55
    One is too many. The republicans never filibustered a Supreme Court nominee from an up or down vote. I wish they would have blocked that disgraceful Ruth bader Ginsburg, but they didn’t.

  48. 57

    spews:

    I have no problem of listen to democrat’s objection to a Supreme Court nominee as long as that nominee in the end gets an up or down vote. And no debating the subject for a year either. All the debating should be over within a couple weeks to a month.. no longer.

  49. 58

    Puddybud spews:

    Horse whisperer, is not FEMA’s fault. Gov Blanco admitted her mistake. Check out the Internet and see Red Cross was blocked by Blanco’s orders to the National Guard not to deliver the food and water waiting in seven trailers placed by FEMA. If torridjoe won’t look it up you should.

  50. 59

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    Are you folks all as prepared for the BIG ONE as I am?
    LEFTIST PINHEADS are an important part of the food chain. In fact, they are a MAJOR part of my emergency preparedness plan.
    You see, my emergency kit consists of a small bottle of water. Now you might consider that totally unprepared but………
    I also have plenty of guns and ammo. I only have the bottle of water in case I get thirsty on my way over to rujax’s house to take all his preparedness shit!!! LEFTIST PINHEADS are the absolute best source of food when the big one hits!!!!

    Comment by Mr. Cynical— 9/28/05 @ 9:04 pm

  51. 60

    horse whisperer spews:

    54,

    The hell the Republicans don’t claim Chris Shays, He’s the Chairman of the Sub Committee on National Security. Unless things significantly change the Republicans will need to be claiming every warm body they have to hold the majority. Perhaps Brownie’s deleting him from the xmas card list, but Shays is highly respected in DC. It’s Brownie that most Republicans don’t want to claim.

  52. 61

    Another TJ spews:

    The republicans never filibustered a Supreme Court nominee from an up or down vote.

    Two words: Abe Fortas

  53. 64

    spews:

    64
    How could be be blocked from becoming Chief Justice if the republicans blocked him from ever becoming a judge in the first place? How did he get on the Supreme Court?

  54. 66

    Another TJ spews:

    RUFUS, you claimed Republicans had never filibustered a Supreme Court nominee. Fortas was nominated to replace Warren as CJ. His nomination was filibustered by Senate Republicans looking to that November’s presidential election. What part of this is giving you trouble?

    Oh, and for the record, Democrats have never filibustered a Supreme Court nominee.

  55. 67

    spews:

    I said a nominee for the Suprme Court not a nominee for Supreme Court Justice. There is a big distinction there. God help you if you can not see it. How many federal judges were filibutered by the Republicans? I know the answer do you?

  56. 68

    Puddybud spews:

    AnoTJ: Look this up please: “The Detroit News November 7 showed that through his first two years, only 53 percent of Bush’s appeals court nominees were confirmed. Comparatively, President Clinton had 86 percent confirmed, the first President Bush 96 percent, President Reagan 95 percent and President Carter 100 percent.” This speaks for itself.

    Do you remember in year 2003 the Republicans had a sign reading “2,372-0″ – which they said represented the number of judges confirmed since the filibuster went into effect compared to the number of judges filibustered up until the last Congress, which had the king of donks Tom Daschle in it. Filibustering judges is unprecedented AnoTJ.

  57. 69

    Another TJ spews:

    Filibustered? Aside from Fortas? I know of none. How many of Clinton’s judicial nominees were denied an up or down vote?

  58. 70

    spews:

    67
    You know your right I did say Supreme Court nominee when I meant to say nominee to the Supreme Court. My fault. Well I stil stand by the fact that the republicans never stood in the way of a up or down vote for a nominee to the Supreme Court. In fact the republicans never filibustered a nominee to any Federal Court.

  59. 72

    Another TJ spews:

    AnoTJ: Look this up please: “The Detroit News November 7 showed that through his first two years, only 53 percent of Bush’s appeals court nominees were confirmed. Comparatively, President Clinton had 86 percent confirmed, the first President Bush 96 percent, President Reagan 95 percent and President Carter 100 percent.” This speaks for itself.

    It does indeed speak for itself. It says loud and clear that it’s good to have a Senate controlled by your own party, which each of the three others had, but that Bush only enjoyed for a few months before Jeffords’s switch.

    Notice also that it is confined to appeals court nominees, which are generally accepted to be more important positions and worthy of higher scrutiny in the nomination/confirmation process. The Dems have not blocked votes on any of Bush’s district court nominees (that I’m aware of).

  60. 73

    Puddybud spews:

    Damn, Another TJ, you are just like all other donks here. You spew SHIT and then you get all uppity when we call you on it. He was a SCOTUS justice you asshole! Just two minutes using my Internet skillz and here are pertinent Abe Fortas info! Go back to sucking your mommas tit boy!

    Abe Fortas

    Overview

    Born: June 19, 1910
    Died: April 5, 1982
    Party: Democrat
    Time served: 3 years, 7 months, 10 days
    Position: associate Justice
    Nominated by: Johnson, L.
    Commissioned: August 11, 1965
    Sworn in: October 4, 1965
    Left Office: May 14, 1969
    Reason for leaving: Resigned

    Fortas, Abe [fôr'tus]
    Pronunciation Key

    Fortas, Abe , 1910–82, associate justice of the U.S. Supreme Court (1965–69), b. Memphis, Tenn. After receiving his law degree from Yale in 1933, he taught there (1933–37) and also held a variety of government posts. He was (1942–46) undersecretary of the interior before entering private law practice. Among his notable contributions to criminal law were his arguments in the Durham Case (1954), which helped broaden the definition of legal insanity, and in Gideon v. Wainwright (1962), in which the Supreme Court ruled unanimously that states must assure free legal counsel to the poor in every criminal trial. A close friend and adviser to President Lyndon B. Johnson, he was appointed by the president to succeed Arthur Goldberg on the Supreme Court. There he continued to support the expansion of criminal rights and joined with the other liberal justices in most civil liberties cases. In antimonopoly cases, he often sided with the minority in upholding business. In 1968, President Johnson nominated Fortas as chief justice of the United States; Republicans and Southern Democrats held a Senate filibuster against the nomination, causing President Johnson to withdraw Fortas’s nomination. The following year, Fortas resigned from the court after it was revealed that he had, while on the bench, accepted $20,000 from a private foundation; the money was part of a life stipend to Fortas by the foundation. Although he returned the money, Fortas resigned from the court under public pressure, the first justice to do so.

  61. 74

    Janet S spews:

    Abe Fortas didn’t have a majority. The republicans were just trying to keep a less-than-savory character out of power. He never had the votes. I guess you could call what the republicans did was a fillibuster, but it really wasn’t.

    The current dems are preventing a floor vote because they know that the judges have a majority vote and would be approved. That seems to me to be a denial of civil rights.

  62. 75

    Another TJ spews:

    RUFUS, if you’re going to have any credibility on this, you’ll need to do a little homework.

  63. 76

    Another TJ spews:

    74,

    Damn, Another TJ, you are just like all other donks here. You spew SHIT and then you get all uppity when we call you on it. He was a SCOTUS justice you asshole! Just two minutes using my Internet skillz and here are pertinent Abe Fortas info! Go back to sucking your mommas tit boy!

    Did you even read what you posted? It in no way refutes any of my statements.

  64. 78

    Mr. Evil spews:

    Lies on top of lies about lies covering up lies. How much more will it take for the apologists to get the message and wake up to the fraudulent actions of this administration? The NeoCons of this era are destroying any credibility that the Republican party ever had. Campaign finance abuses, unscrupulous lobbyists (Jack Abramoff, etc.), insider trading (Frist), indictments (DeLay), arrests (Safavian), blatant lies (Bush – WMD and Karl Rove not being fired for leaking CIA operative identity) and not to mention the free fall spending and corporate givaways.

    I really could give a shit who is in office (republican or democrat), I just want them to honor their oath of office to uphold the constitution and the laws of this land. In other words, simply be truthful and in possession of some semblance of integrity. They are supposed to work diligently to make this country a shining example to the world and to make it easier for everyone willing to put forth the effort to have a good and fruitful life.

    Funny though, this is the same bunch of liars that always campaign and howl at every chance about “family values”. They couldn’t name a value if they tried. Family values my achin’ ass!

    Wake up!

  65. 79

    Puddybud spews:

    Damn, Another TJ, you are just a lazy sonofabitch aren’t you?

    According to the Web site of the Department of Justice’s Office of Legal Policy, Bush has nominated 34 people for appeals courts, and 18 of them have been confirmed. Of his 97 nominations for district courts, 88 were confirmed.

    And here they are dunce!

    For District Courts:

    James C. Dever III (Eastern District, N.C.; May 22, 2002)

    Thomas L. Ludington (Eastern District, Mich.; Sept. 12, 2002)

    Robert J. Conrad (Western District, N.C.; April 28, 2003)

    Daniel P. Ryan (Eastern District, Mich.; April 28, 2003)

    Peter G. Sheridan (N.J.; Nov. 5, 2003)

    Paul A. Crotty (Southern District, N.Y.; Sept. 7, 2004)

    Sean F. Cox (Eastern District, Mich.; Sept. 10, 2004)

    J. Michael Seabright (Hawaii, Sept. 15, 2004)

  66. 81

    Puddybud spews:

    Another TJ, debating you is like talking to a five year old. Read this. I suppose you were a baby then, or still swimming in your father’s testicles.

    October 1, 1968
    Filibuster Derails Supreme Court Appointment

    Justice Abe Fortas
    In June 1968, Chief Justice Earl Warren informed President Lyndon Johnson that he planned to retire from the Supreme Court. Concern that Richard Nixon might win the presidency later that year and get to choose his successor dictated Warren’s timing.

    In the final months of his presidency, Johnson shared Warren’s concerns about Nixon and welcomed the opportunity to add his third appointee to the Court. To replace Warren, he nominated Associate Justice Abe Fortas, his longtime confidant. Anticipating Senate concerns about the prospective chief justice’s liberal opinions, Johnson simultaneously declared his intention to fill the vacancy created by Fortas’ elevation with Appeals Court Judge Homer Thornberry. The president believed that Thornberry, a Texan, would mollify skeptical southern senators.

    A seasoned Senate vote-counter, Johnson concluded that despite filibuster warnings he just barely had the support to confirm Fortas. The president took encouragement from indications that his former Senate mentor, Richard Russell (Democrat, and Republican Minority Leader Everett Dirksen would support Fortas, whose legal brilliance both men respected.

    The president soon lost Russell’s support, however, because of administration delays in nominating the senator’s candidate to a Georgia federal judgeship. Johnson urged Senate leaders to waste no time in convening Fortas’ confirmation hearings. Responding to staff assurances of Dirksen’s continued support, Johnson told an aide, “Just take my word for it. I know [Dirksen]. I know the Senate. If they get this thing drug out very long, we’re going to get beat. Dirksen will leave us.”

    Fortas became the first sitting associate justice, nominated for chief justice, to testify at his own confirmation hearing. Those hearings reinforced what some senators already knew about the nominee. As a sitting justice, he regularly attended White House staff meetings; he briefed the president on secret Court deliberations; and, on behalf of the president, he pressured senators who opposed the war in Vietnam. When the Judiciary Committee revealed that Fortas received a privately funded stipend, equivalent to 40 percent of his Court salary, to teach an American University summer course, Dirksen and others withdrew their support. Although the committee recommended confirmation, floor consideration sparked the first filibuster in Senate history on a Supreme Court nomination.

    On October 1, 1968, the Senate failed to invoke cloture. Johnson then withdrew the nomination, privately observing that if he had another term, “the Fortas appointment would have been different.”

  67. 82

    Another TJ spews:

    RUFUS,

    Some housekeeping first: my post at 76 was in reference to your post at 72. I had missed your post at 71.

    As for your question at 78, I’ll give you four names (Jorge Rangel, Kent Markus, Bonnie Campbell, and Enrique Moreno). Each was a Clinton appointee and each testified before the Senate Courts subcommittee in May of 2002 about their lack of an up or down vote by the GOP-controlled Senate. They are not the only ones. There are dozens (about 60 total) who never got votes.

  68. 83

    Puddybud spews:

    You see Another TJ, before you start accusing peeples of wronging your associate justice, you better know the facts. Now that I see the name of Richard Russell, it reminded me of the Civil Rights act of 1964. Richard Russell, Democrat along with Robert KKK Three Sheets to the Wind Byrd, led the filibuster on the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Read Alfalfa, maybe you’ll be a smart’un again!

    June 10, 1964
    Civil Rights Filibuster Ended

    Hubert Humphrey (D-MN)
    At 9:51 on the morning of June 10, 1964, Senator Robert C. Byrd completed an address that he had begun fourteen hours and thirteen minutes earlier. The subject was the pending Civil Rights Act of 1964, a measure that occupied the Senate for fifty-seven working days, including six Saturdays. A day earlier, Democratic Whip Hubert Humphrey, the bill’s manager, concluded he had the sixty-seven votes required at that time to end the debate.

    The Civil Rights Act provided protection of voting rights; banned discrimination in public facilities—including private businesses offering public services—such as lunch counters, hotels, and theaters; and established equal employment opportunity as the law of the land.

    As Senator Byrd took his seat, House members, former senators, and others—150 of them—vied for limited standing space at the back of the chamber. With all gallery seats taken, hundreds waited outside in hopelessly extended lines.

    Georgia Democrat Richard Russell offered the final arguments in opposition. Minority Leader Everett Dirksen, who had enlisted the Republican votes that made cloture a realistic option, spoke for the proponents with his customary eloquence. Noting that the day marked the one-hundredth anniversary of Abraham Lincoln’s nomination to a second term, the Illinois Republican proclaimed, in the words of Victor Hugo, “Stronger than all the armies is an idea whose time has come.” He continued, “The time has come for equality of opportunity in sharing in government, in education, and in employment. It will not be stayed or denied. It is here!”

    Never in history had the Senate been able to muster enough votes to cut off a filibuster on a civil rights bill. And only once in the thirty-seven years since 1927 had it agreed to cloture for any measure.

    The clerk proceeded to call the roll. When he reached “Mr. Engle,” there was no response. A brain tumor had robbed California’s mortally ill Clair Engle of his ability to speak. Slowly lifting a crippled arm, he pointed to his eye, thereby signaling his affirmative vote. Few of those who witnessed this heroic gesture ever forgot it. When Delaware’s John Williams provided the decisive sixty-seventh vote, Majority Leader Mike Mansfield exclaimed, “That’s it!”; Richard Russell slumped; and Hubert Humphrey beamed. With six wavering senators providing a four-vote victory margin, the final tally stood at 71 to 29. Nine days later the Senate approved the act itself—producing one of the twentieth century’s towering legislative achievements.

  69. 84

    Another TJ spews:

    80,

    First, were any of those filibustered? Second, how do you square those figures with the actual number of Bush court appointees, which is well over 200?

    Also, with respect to the question of district court filibusters versus appeals court filibusters, how is this site incorrect?

    http://www.npr.org/templates/s.....Id=4575047

    82,

    Was Fortas nominated to be Chief Justice? Was his nomination filibustered? Was this filibuster led by Republican Senators looking to the 68 presidential election?

  70. 85

    Puddybud spews:

    Proud Ass the filter got my blog. Another TJ I clue you in on who racist Senator Russell is.

    Now for your latest scree. Only 41 of Clintons nominees didn’t make it out of committee, Clinton withdrew 18 others and I can’t find out the balance. Maybe you should spend time searching and less time with you thumb up your ass unless you are validating Lucite’s head ain’t there!

    There is a Judiciary Committee. You know the one that Chuck Look for their Credit History Schumer, Teddy The Swimmer Kennedy, Patrick Leaking Government Secrets Leahy, Joe I Know how To Plagiarize Biden, and Dianne I’m a Dingbat Feinstein are members of now?!!! They vote on them you idiot, and they didn’t get enough votes. There was no filibuster buster.

  71. 86

    Puddybud spews:

    The Filibuster is covered in one of my blocked responses. But since you asked and I will not wait until Goldy clears so you again look stupid. the Democratic Georgia Senator Richard Russell removed his support and the Senate BLOCKED IT!!! So no another TJ you are wrong.

    http://www.senate.gov/artandhi.....ntment.htm, then see the same Richard Russell try and kill the CRA in the next link.

    http://www.senate.gov/artandhi....._Ended.htm

    If I can find these can’t you TJ? No that’s right, you need a brain to search like me!

    You know what, Goldy’s filter ate two of my responses now. I guess calling Dianne Feinstein a dingb@t is filtered.

  72. 87

    Michael spews:

    By the way, Fortas was filibustered for a total of 2 days, but a bipartisan group of both Democrats and Republicans.

    One could argue that Brown was underqualified in 2002. However, 3 years later, his resume included…3 years as the leader of FEMA. It would have been hard to find a more qualified person to handle the Katrina issue.

  73. 88

    Another TJ spews:

    Damn, Another TJ, you are just like all other donks here. You spew SHIT and then you get all uppity when we call you on it.

    I often skip over the invective portions of posts (well… I try to, anyway), but, wow, I just noticed this little doozy. Jeez, pb, RUFUS and I were having a reasonably civilized conversation for a while there. I don’t know what you consider to be “uppity” but I’ve got to wonder how neutral observers would evaluate our respective contributions to this thread and what conclusions they might draw regarding our relative emotional stability.

    Oh well, off to bed. Thanks for trying RUFUS. I appreciate it.

  74. 89

    Puddybud spews:

    Another TJ read posts 82 and 84. It should clue you in on Richard Russell. But I’m a nice guy, so I provided the links so animal hind parts members david & dj can feel good that I didn’t plagiarize!!!

    You use NPR and I go to the Department of Justice for my validation facts? Wow Another TJ, you are now in the revered crowd of JustDumbBozo, Head-up-de-Ass Lucite and Rugrat602! Lazy shiftless lefties all of them.

  75. 90

    Puddybud spews:

    Emotional stability? No buddy, you like other animal hind parts lefties make accusations that are like Gilbert Gottfried’s worthless garbage bags. (Goldy sounds like him on the radio.) Then when the light of the Internet Historical Society (us on the right) is shined upon your conjecture and opinions you use NPR? What is that?

    Ok, I apologize for getting upset with you because in hindsight I now realize I was not dealing with a five year old but a petulant teen-ager!!! Good night Another TJ.

  76. 92

    Puddybud spews:

    Another TJ I missed something above. Yes, over 200 of his over 240 nominations are approved. But I still hold the facts over the district court judges & appeals court judges being filibustered.

  77. 93

    Puddybud spews:

    Another TJ: I address your complaint of my posts in the one being held by the system for more than an hour now. I also address the Senate Judiciary Committee.

  78. 94

    Lorry Wagner spews:

    The hell the Republicans don’t claim Chris Shays,……

    Who said anything about “DC” Republicans. I (and I am proud to be a Republican believing in the doctrine that this country “provides” the “opportunity” for people to do wondrous things in their lives on their own, like taking responsibility for their own actions…NOT being dependent up on the government from cradle to grave) am one of millions of Republicans who are disgusted with Shays for many things. His nonsense at this Katrina/FEMA hearing was just one small example of why that is so!

    Lorry Wagner, http://www.sdarabians.com

  79. 95

    Lorry Wagner spews:

    In my opinion, of course. I also recognize every citizens right to disagree with me or anyone else. :-)

  80. 96

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    Lorry–
    Cool website
    Arabian Horses are awesome.
    I’m sure everytime one of your beautiful horses turns his backside to you, you think of Goldy’s Blog.
    And when they drop a load (aka #2), I’m sure you think of Goldy’s thread and the ranting, loony posts of GOLDY’S BAND OF LEFTIST PINHEADS!

  81. 97

    Puddybud spews:

    Lorry, years ago my older sister used to live around Chris Shay’s district. Interesting peeples.

  82. 98

    s-choir spews:

    Did anyone notice that DeLay said he’d, “done nothing wrong.” He did not say that he didn’t do anything illegal. His defense, I predict, will be that the law is wrong and he is right.

  83. 99

    Another TJ spews:

    You use NPR and I go to the Department of Justice for my validation facts?

    If you were confused because my language was imprecise, I apologise – it really was past my bedtime. I said that the Democrats had not “blocked votes” on any of Bush’s district court nominees when my point was that they had not filibustered any of his district court nominees. Your source says nothing about whether or not they were filibustered. The NPR source directly states that no district court nominees were filibustered.

    Do you have a source that indicates which of the nominees you cited were filibustered?

  84. 100

    NoWonder spews:

    s-choir @ 99

    ‘He did not say that he didn’t do anything illegal.’

    This is actually the wrong thread for Delay, as Brown is supposed to be skewered here. Anyhow, Delay has said that a)what the PAC did in terms of money transfers is not illegal and b)he was not involved in the transfer anyway. The only charge is conspiricy so he is only being charged with conspiring to break a law that he does consider unbroken.

  85. 101

    GBS spews:

    Ms Chickenhawk @ 97

    Everytime you see a Republican doing the frog march you’ll think of DeLay.

    Oh Yeah, the Hammer’s in the Slammer.

    Except when someone drops a load on “Toilet Bowl Tom” it won’t be a #2. And I WILL think of you and Bush and Rove and Frist and Abramoff and Ferrari (not the car but the hit man) and the rest of the Bush Crime Family (aka RNC).

  86. 102

    horse whisperer spews:

    96,

    New York Daily News, Sept 2005, “When Bush was elected. Mike Knew he was going to Washington,” said Lorre Wagner, a Brown friend.

    Still curious Lorry, was this your quote? Or is there another Brownie pal out there with a simular name? Did Brown then have his eye on FEMA or any ole appointment in the Bush administration? Just trying to figure out the process used in the Bush administration.

  87. 103

    Bonnie spews:

    I have looked over your website. Is anyone at this site a free thinker? You have to separate the truth from your efforts to “Git George Bush.” I dislike George Bush immensely but I have learned to seperate some of these feeble and at the same time desperate attempts to disgrace Bush. Mr Brown, made an attempt to corral a dysfunctional Louisiana Government. We do not need people such as Governor Blanco (BLANKO) and Mayor Nagin’s blatant attempt to shift blame from themselves. These people are heads of #1 a government with many people who fall into the poverty category and #2 have problems with corruption internally. I would not, repeat not, focus on Mr Brown. I hae very little empathy for him but feel that citizens should realize that our problems have just begun with Louisiana’s incompetent government and what it in all likelihood will cost, we, the taxpaying citizens of this country

  88. 104

    horse whisperer spews:

    Bonnie,

    Your points re the mayor and governor are well taken, but their destiny and accountability will rest with the voters of the city of NO and the state of LA I would guess that both will have some explaining to do come election time. For those of us not living in LA, we should be asking how prepared out locals and states are. FEMA’s mission is to step in when local or state resources are overwhelmed. One would have thought and expected that the person in charge of FEMA would have proven background in logistics and or emergency management. That mistake rests with Bush. Even with the terrible toll Katrina took, people did have warning and most headed out of town. What if this had been an earthquake or terrorist attack, with no 5 day warning? Hopefully people will start asking questions as to the preparedness plans of their local community and state. But all of us deserve the FEMA head to have the highest and proven qualifications.

  89. 105

    Dr. Quest spews:

    re 104: We know you’re fake. I’ll bet you and Bill O’Reilly are holding on to your underwear now in the ” no spin zone”.

  90. 106

    horse whisperer spews:

    I’m confused. re horse folks sticking up for Brown, when on the official FEMA bio, Brown failed to mention his decade long job at IAHA, which was the job he held immediately before going to FEMA. Just a 10 year blank there. Was Brownie trying to hide his tenure at IAHA? Also while still at IAHA, Brown apparently told Lorry Wagnere that he was going to be in the Bush Administration, although it is still unclear what specific job Brownie was then hoping for. In the White Horse Forums, Sept. 3,2005, 08.34AM, Lorry Wagner writes “Mike resigned because he knew he would recieve a political appointment from George Bush as soon as the election mess was settled.” So I presume, “the election mess,” she was referring to was the Florida recounts. This pretty well answers that cronyism was more important than qualifications re Brownie’s hiring.

  91. 107

    Lorry Wagner spews:

    Still curious Lorry, was this your quote?

    Sorry, I missed answering…yes, that is what I said. However, I will further clarify. I have been in the political arena long enough to understand when you are elected to a top position the very first thing you do “when running” (that means “before” the votes are counted) you make very sure you have a team in place with all the top people for every single job/position you need to fill as soon as the votes are counted and you step into the position.

    Thus, this “cronyism” stuff is basically a bunch of hooey! Whomever is being elected will pull their people from those he/she knows, is acquainted with and knows their abilities and accomplishments, is recommended by someone one trusts, etc.,; i.e., people one can have total confidence in, rather than just buy some “pig in a poke” or wait until “after” election and start searching and interviewing the public at large which would take tons of time and still be a “guess.” I’ve been there and done that and it is the “only” successful way to organize quickly and efficiently. It is all done “beforehand!” You step into the office fully prepared with all staff, etc., needed and are ready to go to work immediately. Thus, in the October period (just weeks before the actual election) of course Mike Brown knew he was being asked to join the Bush Administration upon Bush’s election. I would be disappointed and actually chagrinned if GWBush didn’t have most every position lined up weeks before the actual election.

    Lorry Wagner, http://www.sdarabians.com

  92. 108

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    horsesass whisperer@105–
    Ummmmmmmmmm….are you aware that Brown went thru a confirmation process….with Democrats. Why didn’t they ferret out all the BS on Brown? They certainly had their chance, didn’t they!!
    Why in the hell do we have a confirmation process that is bi-partisan if the Donks don’t do their homework????
    Let’s talk about the LEFTIST PINHEADS role in not disclosing EASILY KNOWN FACTS about Brown!!!!
    Horsieasswhispererguy—
    Aren’t you downright ashamed that your LEFTIST PINHEADED brethren CONSPIRED to hold back information that was easily known (as all of you have repeatedly stated) thus because the LEFTIST PINHEADS are so smart (just ask them), they MUST have known about Brownie!!!!!
    Being stupid and sloppy is bad enough. That’s Bush and the R’s.
    But LEFTIST PINHEADS knowingly not disclosing these facts is CRIMINAL!!!!

  93. 109

    horse whisperer spews:

    If goldy releases my last post, it seems that Brownie told pal at arab horse assoc. that he was going to Bush administration when Florida recount was going on. So don’t blame the D’s. One does have to wonder what vetting procedures Bush had in place prior to his election. Wonder if Bush also checked with American Quarter Horse, Pony Club, kennel clubs to see who they had available.

  94. 110

    horse whisperer spews:

    Well, I suppose a few people on the campaign team may be working on transition, if needed. Although, October is normally devoted to winning the election. So apparently, they look at Brown’s job description of Judges Commissioner at IAHA and send him off to FEMA. Interesting! I’m very aware of cronyism and that all administrations appoint loyalists, which is fair. Usually there is some attempt made to have high level appointees meet some basic qualifications pretaining to the department they will be heading. The strangest thing is that Brown would be talking about having a job in the Bush administration as early as October 2000. That’s probably the number 1, unwritten rule of politics, is to NEVER discuss the spoils of office, prior to winning the office.

  95. 111

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    horsesasswhispererguy-
    You have unsuccessfully avoided addressing the fact the LEFTIST PINHEADS had an opportunity to investigate and bust Brownie. You didn’t do it horsesasswhispererguy. YOU LEFTIST PINHEADS failed the people of New Orleans and the USA…and you did it ON PURPOSE!!! Since Brown’s lack of qualifications were so well-known to y’all, you must have failed to disclose and challenge Brown ON PURPOSE!! For Shame horsesasswhispererguy…FOR SHAME!
    You allowed all those poor people to be ravaged because of your silence. FOR SHAME!!!!

  96. 112

    Lorry Wagner spews:

    ….The strangest thing is that Brown would be talking about having a job in the Bush administration as early as October 2000. That’s probably the number 1, unwritten rule of politics, is to NEVER discuss the spoils of office, prior to winning the office…..

    How the heck do you guys get the copy of the post you are answering to be bold or italic????

    I never stated that Mike Brown “told me” that he had any position in the Bush Administration. He did not! By that time I had known Mike for 10 years and I knew his ambitions. It was obvious to me that he was headed for D.C. He never told me this in so many words, but I would have been surprised if he had not received such a position upon Bush’s election. Maybe I just have “the sight.” :-)

    I am getting tired of hearing about the “horsey” crap a few of you are throwing around. Get off that foolishness, because you just don’t know what the hell you are speaking about!!!!

    Lorry Wagner, http://www.sdarabians.com

  97. 113

    HowCanYouBePROUDtobeAnASS spews:

    Lorry you use html tags:
    For bold you use a B with < & > around it before what you want bold then a B with around it to end the bold
    same with italics… use an i.

    Just remember if you open a “tag” <> you also have to close the tag

    I haven’t quite figured out how they do that whole crossing a word out thing yet…
    Boy, the worst HTML person in the area trying to explain tags!

  98. 115

    horse whisperer spews:

    Well, Lorry

    It’s probably up to goldy to ask someone to knockoff the “horsey crap.” Seems you think of yourself as the ultimate authority on politics, horses. Others may have some history also.

    Now, you get kind of cornered on what you told NY Daily News: “When Bush was elected, Mike Knew he was going to Washington,” said Lorre Wagner, a Brown Friend.

    White Horse Forums, Sept 3, 2005: “Mike resigned because he knew he would recieve a political appointment from GW Bush as soon as the election mess was settled.”

    Most reasonable people would presume that you were told that, unless you had then stated otherwise. Which after re-reading both, you had not. Nothing in either that somehow you just knew. Now later when confronted with the fact that bragging about landing a political spoils job before the outcome of an election, was a jaw dropper to say the least. You remind me of Brownie, testifying before congress the other day. Lorry, you can’t have it both ways.

  99. 116

    righton spews:

    greg nickels scandal; ya’ll embarased by that?
    and then of course strippergate

    Dems=crooks?

  100. 117

    horse whisperer spews:

    And speaking of twisting statements around after the fact. I too have a very long family history in Arabian Horses, perhaps as long as Lorry’s. Have shown horses at Nationals many times, attended several IAHA conventions. In all my years, I’ve never heard IAHA, referred to as “an international subsidiary of the US Olympic Committee.” I understand you and the new AHA press release, somehow have managed that one too, in the all out effort to clean up after Brownie. I even checked through some old IAHA National programs on the page of what all IAHA did. Strange no mention of the ‘international subsidiary.’ First time I saw it was on the WH presser, announcing Brownie’s appointment, then on Brownie’s, statement to congress.

  101. 118

    Puddybud spews:

    AssesHorse Whisperer, Lorry is up front with whom she is. Since you are accusing her of something, doesn’t she have a right to know whom is her accuser? I am not saying to out yourself here, but you hide behind the head ass himself and she is up front and personal. You go Lorry girl!!!! :P By the way being a horse whisperer and you claiming to be involved just about as long as her, you probably whispered a thing or two to Mr. Ed right?

  102. 119

    horse whisperer spews:

    read post 108, the NY Daily quote and the White Horse post and draw your own conclusions. Sorry you will just have to visit Lorry’s website to see the pretty horses. All this was ever about was Bush making a very bad appointment to a position that involved the safety of the American people.

  103. 121

    yearight spews:

    horse whisperer @ 120

    ‘All this was ever about was Bush making a very bad appointment to a position that involved the safety of the American people.’

    And…the left playing Monday morning QB only after they smelled blood. All while people were still dying in New orleans. Pretty pathetic.

  104. 124

    horse whisperer spews:

    123,
    No and furthermore not connected to them, nor involved in any IAHA lawsuits or anything to do with Brownie at IAHA.

  105. 125

    Lorry Wagner spews:

    Most reasonable people would presume that you were told that, unless you had then stated otherwise. Which after re-reading both, you had not. Nothing in either that somehow you just knew. Now later when confronted with the fact that bragging about landing a political spoils job before the outcome of an election, was a jaw dropper to say the least. You remind me of Brownie, testifying before congress the other day. Lorry, you can’t have it both ways.

    Sorry, I didn’t make myself more clear to some of you. I wasn’t expecting the nit-picking. I am in the habit of just sharing facts and correcting incorrect information in my internet communications on forums such as this.

    What you are referring to all happened within about 10 to 12 weeks of 1999/2000…and as you must know…quoting anything written by a reporter from a telephone interview doesn’t mean much. IMHO and experience, reporters more often than not (or probably whomever edits their work) usually never get it right as was told to them. :-) I have submitted tons of articles to newspapers, all typed and laid out with pictures, etc., and some “editor” will invariably screw something up. I have made it my practice for many years now to dis-allow anything I submit to be printed if an editor takes the “slash pen” to it without my approval for accuracy.

    As for my history in the Arabian horse breed, organizations, politics of same, etc., I have been extremely active in same since 1960. In addition to exhibiting my horses in shows, endurance rides, invitational riding in parades throughout California, and other areas of exhibition and competition, I also worked up from participation in leadership positions at the local club level to regional level to national level and for the past 10 years have been very active on the international scene with the World Arabian Horse Organization currently comprised of 64 countries around the world with about 5 pending membership. I have attended several of these international meetings around the world as a delegate representing the U.S., Canada and Mexico. So, I do have a little bit of background in the “horsey” scene in addition to local, county, and state politics beginning about 21 years ago. Whew! Looking back over the past nearly 46 years, no wonder I’m feeling a bit tired. :-)

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    Apparently others made themselves clear: Knight Ridder, Sept. 3, 2005 “Brown told several associations officials, that if Bush were elected, he’d be in line for a good job.”

    Note: “told”

    The only time potential names for high level positions are ever leaked during the heat of a campaign is when it involves a name who might actually help get some votes. For instance someone like a Colin Powell. Please Lorry, let us not compare him with Brownie.

    I never questioned your background in Arabian Horses. You were the one telling me to knock off the horse crap.

    FYI this was never about Arabian Horses, only about Bush appointing a crony to a position with real consequences for the nation.

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    Here’s another one: Karl Hart on Brown at IAHA; St. Petersburg Times, Sept 10, 2005

    “He said for a couple of years he was going to get a position in Washington,” Hart said. “I was frankly shocked.”

    this time Brownie “said”

    “said” “told” God what a mess cleaning up after Brownie! Let’s just blame all the press. No one’s accountable outside of Brownie.

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    Here’s another one: Karl Hart on Brown at IAHA;

    And did anyone bother to find out anything regarding “why” Karl Hart totally opposes Mike Brown on anything and everything????

    Should we take you to task, horse whisperer, if you should dare to utter anything about what your ambitions for your future are?

    This discussion is ridiculous. Again, I refer you to my comments above regarding reporters and editors. That tells the story. Anyone who would rely on the “printed” media vs. the word of people who have first-hand knowledge make me wonder how “exposed” those people are to real life. :-)

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    Brownie blowing his horn re a ‘political spoils’ job prior to the outcome of an election does kind of illustrate how clueless he was even then. It’s the number 1, unwritten rule for races of that level. The only time it’s ever done is with a really big name to sway a few strays.

    Have no ambitions for a ‘spoils’ job, so no taking me to task.

    It’s still a free country and I would presume that Karl Hart is entitled to his opinion. I’m not really interested in who did what to who at IAHA. Like I’ve stated before, this has never been about IAHA or the horses, owners and trainers. Only about Bush appointing someone with no qualifications to a position with consequences for the nation.