by Goldy, 02/22/2006, 8:59 PM

I guess one of the advantages of being Jewish is that no matter what I write, our local Nazis can’t exactly label me a “race traitor,” can they? Unfortunately, the same can’t be said for Dave Niewert of Orcinus, who occasionally pisses off the right-wing extremists he covers.

Both of us were recently named “race traitors” at the Website of the regional National Socialist Movement outfit (sorry, I won’t link to it). There is an innate threat in such a listing, of course, but it’s one I’m accustomed to, not to mention well prepared to deal with.

Still, it underscores the potential problems that lie in wait for anyone publishing a blog like this. In addition to the harassment that comes with these things (the NSM folks kindly urged their followers to dump hate material in my comments, which I’ve been very easily deleting), there’s always the potential for these things to trickle over into your private life. The NSM is a tiny contingent, really, but all of these groups attract unstable and violent followers, and they are an actual threat.

Clearly, shit like this is meant to harass and intimidate — and I suppose, in their dreams, eventually eliminate. Yeah… they’re just a handful of pathetic wackos playing dress up, but as Dave points out, it only takes one unstable nut case to do some real damage.

So, what can we do about threats like this? Dave wants to turn it against them.

I recently wrapped up my regular fund-raiser (I raised over $2,000, and will report in a separate post on that). But I’ve decided to run a supplemental fund-raiser, based on a campaign of refutation for this kind of intimidation.

What I want is to be able to turn their campaign against them: For every post and threat they make, people can donate to the cause of keeping Orcinus afloat.

I’m asking folks to toss a fiver (or whatever amount you like) in the PayPal kitty at the upper corner (or write me at P.O. Box 17872, Seattle WA 99107), and designate it with the phrase, “Say No to Nazis”. I’ll report on the fund’s progress in the coming weeks.

Sounds good to me. I just made my contribution and I urge you to make yours.

121 Responses to “Dave Neiwert, “race traitor””

1. GBS spews:

@ 122

I’m fasting now in preparation!!


2. Puddybud spews:

GBS, I told PacMan I’ll be back in town March 16. We’ll meet the week of March 19. You will be eating sushi until it comes out of your gills. Then windieASS will be all ASS and no wind, stuckonstupid will still be stuck on stupid and rugratASS, well…

3. Donnageddon spews:

PuddyBud is plenty “Puddy”, but “Bud”?

Not so much.

4. Puddy\'s Rosebud spews:

rugratASS…Windie with ASSFacia…bwaaaaaakkkk…P.S. Puddy’s not BLACK…bwaaaaaakkkk…bwaaaaaakkkk…Puddy can’t read (the tax code)…bwaaaaaakkkk…rugratASS…Windie with ASSFacia…bwaaaaaakkkk…P.S. Puddy’s not BLACK…bwaaaaaakkkk…bwaaaaaakkkk…Puddy can’t read (the tax code)…bwaaaaaakkkk…rugratASS…Windie with ASSFacia…bwaaaaaakkkk…P.S. Puddy’s not BLACK…bwaaaaaakkkk…bwaaaaaakkkk…Puddy can’t read (the tax code)…bwaaaaaakkkk…rugratASS…Windie with ASSFacia…bwaaaaaakkkk…P.S. Puddy’s not BLACK…bwaaaaaakkkk…bwaaaaaakkkk…Puddy can’t read (the tax code)…bwaaaaaakkkk…rugratASS…Windie with ASSFacia…bwaaaaaakkkk…P.S. Puddy’s not BLACK…bwaaaaaakkkk…bwaaaaaakkkk…Puddy can’t read (the tax code)…bwaaaaaakkkk…

5. Puddy\'s Rosebud spews:

klake’s a DipshitMania-ac

6. klake spews:

How so? The estate tax doesn’t take it ALL, moron! And how much does society benefit from someone having a billion dollars just because of who their parent is?

Comment by Roger Rabbit— 2/24/06 @ 2:35 pm

You could ask Ted Kennedy that question Roger?

7. Roger Rabbit spews:


“if Oprah had a child could she pass it on? Fuck no!”

How so? The estate tax doesn’t take it ALL, moron! And how much does society benefit from someone having a billion dollars just because of who their parent is?

8. windie spews:

ohhh that was gonna be where he proved ‘Pacman’ (another ‘black’, but apparently not a real person) was real!

wtg Puddy!

9. windie spews:

it suddenly makes sense!

I was wondering when ‘puddybud’ started claiming to be black… then I realized it was ‘Pacman’ who made that claim.

Yer getting your personas messed up, buddy… and its gettin’ you in trouble.

10. GBS spews:

@ 113:

Uhhhh, not yet.

11. windie spews:

puddy: YOu lie about everything else, why not this?

The funny thing is that the rightie trolls are racist on such a fundimental level that they think lying about their race is an effective trolling technique!

You’re a joke and a liar, and everyone knows it. Paid off your bad gambling debts yet?

12. windie spews:

marks: Its a pretty common trick these people use… “Oh, btw, I’m black” I dont’ believe them either. There are black conservatives, and there are even black republicans, but these guys are just bad liars trying to play the race card to keep the lefties off balance.

The thing you have to understand about trolls like Puddybud, is that they don’t give a damn about the truth. They want to win, and they want do disrupt things as much as possible. All their tactics are to those 2 ends.

13. GBS spews:


If I were faced with these two choices I would take B over A any day of the week.

A) Naval Officer who WASHED-OUT of flight school and became a Supply Officer in the Gator Navy.


B) Enlisted man who became a SEAL.

B) Has no shame, and really has NO REGRETS.

Whereas A) means having to live your whole life knowing you couldn’t hack it where other men succeeded. Always wondering “what if I were good enough? What could I have done?”

Death before dishonor. JCH, you will never fully know the meaning of that creed. For you will die a thousand deaths, and I will only die but once.

BTW, you were clearly caught lying about living in Hawaii. Now, everyone knows you’re an unqualified liar. You have ZERO credibility. The best part is; I’m the one who destroyed you.


14. Puddybud spews:

Windie with ASSFacia: I am black you stupid turd. Otherwise, I could have been a contenda! Now I have to contend with turds like you!

15. Puddybud spews:

I am talking about the distinction between rich and wealthy. White people are wealthy. Shaq is rich. Oprah is super-rich, she ain’t wealthy yet, but she’s getting close. But if Oprah had a child could she pass it on? Fuck no!

And DumbAss oops… rugratASS, what is this Inheritance Tax Exception? There is nothing on Google about it! I just asked white people in the airport here and they to a man all said “what are you talking about?” Some dipshit on HorsesASS said there is this exception.

16. marks spews:

Thank you for the insightful and enlightening response…

17. Puddybud spews:

RugratASS: Yes ya dumb fuck ya can’t readl I said Dulles Airport. What a dumb fuck. Yeah, that’s you the Dullest of the dull knifes on ASSes.

18. REV Jesse [JCH] Jackson spews:

GBS Update: He has been driven from HorsesAss like a Muslim from a Pork Bar-B-Q!!!!!

19. rujax206 spews:


1) Don’t care where he’s going…you really can’t get rid of anybody on the “internets”.

2} None of your fuckin’ bidness.

20. marks spews:

rujax206 @103

Didn’t Puddybud say Dulles Airport? I think that is Washington, DC. If he were in Dallas, I’m sure he would have invited me to lunch.

What do you mean @102 Like you’re “black”. You lying fuck.? Do you mean you do not believe he is black, or that he does not act the way you expect blacks to act?

21. rujax206 spews:


Why don’t you STAY IN DALLAS where a hypocrite like you will really be appreciated.

22. rujax206 spews:

Yeah Puttyfart-

Like you’re “black”. You lying fuck.

What is the Inheritance Tax Exception..Mister Moron (or should we cut you “slack” because you’re “black”…what would your cracker buddy [JCH] say..does he know?????). Like a bonehead like you will EVER get there anyway.

Let’s worry about economic justice for ALL Americans, not just your fucking president moron’s pals. BTW…president moron REALLY DOES hate black people. Don’t you want to “change” your race, you sanctimonious craphead.

23. Puddybud spews:

RevMan: Don’t you think it’s quite coincidental that Warren Buffet made his money and doesn’t want others to make big bucks and pass it on? Ya know in a sense comedian Chris Rock is right.

Athletes like Shaq, Kobe, Manny, etc are rich, but Warren, Bill, Paul Allen are wealthy. Why does the progressive white man not want to create more wealthy people? Instead he wants a steep tax. How can more people become wealthy? How can my people become wealthy if we can’t pass on our riches to allow the accumulation of riches to create wealth if FOOLS like Buffett stop people from passing to their progeny the ability of riches to create future wealth? Is that the liberal progressive line?

I am heading to Dulles Airport now. I’ll read your responses when I log in waiting for my flight home.


24. Rev. A.A. Tappman: Anababtist spews:

re 99: Exactly Warren Buffett’s point. It’s the point I want to make also, but it carries more weight if the 4th richest man in the U.S. says it. What’s baffling is people like [JCH]‘s and Rufus’ absolute determination to help this little claque of nouveau riche keep their faux aristocratic position — as if that’s what America is all about!

25. Roger Rabbit spews:


What meritocracy??? The best way to get ahead in America is by inheriting a shitload of money. The second best way to get ahead in America is to win the lottery. The least effective path to success is by working hard.

26. Rev. A.A. Tappman: Anababtist spews:

re 94: Amazing! These are Puddybud’s political allies.

re 93: I haven’t forgotten the circumstances under which YOU learned who John Galt was. You not only are too stupid to get a joke, you lied about reading the book.

I’m just going to shrug the whole thing off!

27. Rev. A.A. Tappman: Anababtist spews:

The funny part is that [JCH] acts as if it’s his wealth we want to redistribute. There’s not much you can do with an ’80′s K-car plastered with hate stickers.

Warren Buffett favors a steep inheritance tax because passing these huge fortunes down the same family destroys the meritocracy that conservatives say they want to create — or is it hatred of women and minorities they are trying to create?

28. Cougar spews:

What a riot with JCH complaining about GBS’s spelling. JCH: 68 “have walk out of the room!”, 54 “You libs are “progressive” commusists“, 45 “redistribute others wealth!!!”, 23 “You’ll neer find out from the press”. These are only some examples on why the USA does not let brother and sister marry! Look at the results!

29. Cougar spews:

JCH @ 59, hopefully you will move on in a hurry! And join your illustrious idols (Reagan, Agnew, Nixon, Prescott Bush, Sen Joseph McCarthy, etc) in their ‘HOT’ new dwellings.

30. REV Jesse [JCH] Jackson spews:

151….Ah, The truth shall set you free!!! Captain’s Mast!!! And violations of the UCMJ!! Now I see that the bitterness is still around, Clarice, errrr, Hillary!! I see the chip on your shoulder is a bitter one!! Any you lied about your punishment, as any “E Man” who strikes a commissioned officer would get a little brig time. Or did you just “wiff” him, “Brokeback Mountain” style????? So bitter, for soooooooooooo long!! And the Captain shit on you because you were a shitbird!!!!!!!!!! SHITBIRD, Hillary!!!!!!!!!! And while all the real SEALs were enjoying Pattaya Beach, YOU were restricted and pulling extra duty!!! E3 SHITBIRD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

31. REV Jesse [JCH] Jackson spews:

Hillary, Who is John Galt?? Tell me, grasshopper!!!!!!!!!!

32. REV Jesse [JCH] Jackson spews:

GBS [Hillary] writes: “Spent a few weeks in Bangkok and “Padia” Beach.”[ Errrrr, E-6 Hillary, Would that be Pattaya Beach? ROTFLMAO!!!! "Padia"!!!! Spell much, Hillary????? Any yes, I was there!!!!!!!! "Padia"!!!!!!!!! Classic!!!!!!!!!!!]

33. REV Jesse [JCH] Jackson spews:

Dinner was great!! Ahi and rice [a little local flavor!] I’m delighted you missed me, Hillary!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

34. GBS spews:

Hey, Blog Bitch:

I’m leaving for dinner now. That’s because in the PST it is dinner time!! Unlike Hawaii where it’s mid afternoon.

Baaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa
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Later, you lying sack of shit moron.

35. GBS spews:

MY #1 Blog Bitch, JCH:

Get used to seein this because I’ve saved it on my desktop as “JCH caught lying” and you’ll be seeing it quite often.
82. Au Revoir, Hillary!!! Dinner time!!!

Comment by REV Jesse [JCH] Jackson— 2/23/06 @ 5:04 pm

83. Dinner time? In Hawaii?


Comment by GBS— 2/23/06 @ 5:04 pm

84. A little early isn’t it? I mean for dinner?

It’s only 3:05 in Hawaii.

Dinner, you sure?

Or are you in Kent?

Comment by GBS— 2/23/06 @ 5:06 pm

36. GBS spews:

I’m marking this thread for future references.

I just LOVE catching conservatives lying, for everyone to read.

Thanks, JCH. I really appreciate it.

You may want to consider doing what Mr. Cynical did and pick a new screen name. He’s going by ‘Oink’ now so that’s taken. You might want to pick something like, ummmmm, “Scooter Libby” or “Duke-ster” or “Dick I wasn’t drinking” or “Insider trading Frist” or “Can’t get fooled twice Bush”.

Yeah, you’re a liar.


37. Anonymous spews:

JCH is so fucking pathetic, it’s hilarious. He’s gotta be like a friend of mine, a collosal failure at life but so scared of being called a pussy he takes a super right-wing line to try and seem tough.

I can easily see JCH wearing out a line like “I’m totally straight, but…”

38. GBS spews:

How can you tell when a conservative is lying?

When his lips are moving.

Or in this case, when they are typing.

Hey, Blog BITCH, have a nice Dinner.



39. GBS spews:

A little early isn’t it? I mean for dinner?

It’s only 3:05 in Hawaii.

Dinner, you sure?

Or are you in Kent?

40. GBS spews:

The Liberal has shrugged, pulled in the gill net and what did he see?

JCH floundering like the lying sack of shit he is.

Dinner time.

Baaa haaa haaa haaa.

That’s what happens when you lie too much. You trip yourself up in the web of lies.

Something as minor as having dinner at 3:05 in the afternoon is enough to expose you.

Now, if you were in the PST it would be dinner time.

Oh, the lies you tell.

41. GBS spews:

Blog Bitch at 75:

Which questions, Clarice? Your tales of failure in flight school?

How you broke the news to your mother and father?

The shame?

I have so many questions about your failures, Clarice.

42. REV Jesse [JCH] Jackson spews:

Au Revoir, Hillary!!! Dinner time!!!

43. GBS spews:

Dinner time? In Hawaii?


44. REV Jesse [JCH] Jackson spews:

Hillary……Posters what to know. Will you rise to a challedge, Navy SEAL [hehe]????

45. REV Jesse [JCH] Jackson spews:

Grasshopper, prove you are ready to leave the Temple!!!!

46. REV Jesse [JCH] Jackson spews:

Rise to the challedge, Hillary!

47. REV Jesse [JCH] Jackson spews:

Think, Grasshopper! Think!!

48. GBS spews:

How JCH, My Blog Bitch debates a Liberal:

Step 1: Open mouth.
Step 2: Insert foot.
Step 3: Get caught being full of shit.
Step 4: Hurl insults to try to reframe the debate.
Step 5: When all else fails, leave.

Nice going there WASHOUT.

Here was your big chance to shine and you resemble dog shit.

49. REV Jesse [JCH] Jackson spews:

Hillary, I could give you a reading assignment. If, grasshopper Hillary, you finish it, I will answer your questions.

50. REV Jesse [JCH] Jackson spews:

You must read, then think, then respond, Hillary!

51. GBS spews:

Yeah, take off the Blog Bitch, the facts are flying and it obvious you’re not up on the facts.

52. REV Jesse [JCH] Jackson spews:

Dr. Milton Freidman and Art Laffer think Atlas has Shrugged. But what do they know, Hillary?

53. REV Jesse [JCH] Jackson spews:

Au revoir, Hillary!

54. REV Jesse [JCH] Jackson spews:

Mr. Bill, Mr. X, Roger Rabbit, Cougar, and Hillary, Tax each other, as the John Galts have left the room!!!!!

55. GBS spews:

@ 62

Do you realize how arrogantly STUPID your post is?

56. REV Jesse [JCH] Jackson spews:

My investment capital [evil] and my tax revenue [great!] have walk out of the room! Tax each other, parasites!

57. REV Jesse [JCH] Jackson spews:

Hillary, Not very well read, are you? Consider 2 million “John Galts” leaving your state, and replaced with 5 million illegals and other “Hillarys” like you. Enjoy!!!!

58. REV Jesse [JCH] Jackson spews:

63.Whatever, Hillary. John Galt.

59. REV Jesse [JCH] Jackson spews:

61.Thanks to capitalism. Your “progressive” bull shit worked well in North Korea, Cuba, and Eastern Europe, didn’t it? GBS, I’m going to refer to you as “Hillary” from now on!

60. GBS spews:

@ 57

Comapre the real wages and standards of living Americans in 1880 compared to say 1998.

Go on, Moron. Which was better?

61. REV Jesse [JCH] Jackson spews:

59, cont…When the productive leave, society is left with the RR and GBSs. Tax each other, fools! Eat each other, as the John Galts have walked away.

62. GBS spews:

@ 60:

I’ll call you my Blog Bitch, because that’s what you are.

(Notice the grammatically correct use of a preposition at the end of my sentence, Blog Bitch?)

63. REV Jesse [JCH] Jackson spews:

58…Gladly…….Grasshoppers like you will have to tax each other, as I’ve moved on!

64. REV Jesse [JCH] Jackson spews:

GBS, You may call me John Galt.

65. GBS spews:

My #1 Blog Bitch at 55:

Tell us again how Atlas Shrugged.


66. REV Jesse [JCH] Jackson spews:

Not one, NOT ONE of them could describe them. I wonder how many of these fools know that they are headed for the days of the ‘Robber Barons’ again? [GBS, Compare the corporation and individual tax rates in 1880 and today. Again, "you know nothing!" [Hogan's Hero's SGT and GBS]

67. REV Jesse [JCH] Jackson spews:

Liberals believe in truly free markets. Republicans these days believe in markets only to the extent it keeps them in power and privileged.

Comment by For the Clueless— 2/23/06 @ 4:37 pm ["We are going to take things away from you......" [Hillary, Fidel, Joe Stalin, Mao, Dear Leader, Great Leader, GBS, RR, Jane Fonda]

68. REV Jesse [JCH] Jackson spews:

52, GBS, Do not discuss things you know nothing about!

69. REV Jesse [JCH] Jackson spews:

I do think 99.99% of Republicans know better than to equate liberals with socialists or communists. Liberals are capitalists, not socialists. Liberal economic, social, and political thinking is antithetical to the central planning and compulsive political features of socialist systems. Republicans do know this; it’s just one of many things they choose to lie about.

Comment by Roger Rabbit— 2/23/06 @ 4:10 pm [Are you totally on drugs? You libs are "progressive" commusists. Live it! Learn it! Love it!]

70. For the Clueless spews:

Liberal economic, social, and political thinking is antithetical to the central planning and compulsive political features of socialist systems. Republicans do know this; it’s just one of many things they choose to lie about.

Can’t emphasize this enough especially the lying part.

Liberals believe in truly free markets. Republicans these days believe in markets only to the extent it keeps them in power and privileged.

71. GBS spews:

Roger Rabbit @ 47:

I am impressed.

I’ve asked MTR, Janet S., JCH and few other neo-convicts on this blog if they could define the difference between laissez faire capitalism and regulated capitalism.

Not one, NOT ONE of them could describe them. I wonder how many of these fools know that they are headed for the days of the ‘Robber Barons’ again?

Ain’t it great how multi-national corporations are racing us to the basement?

72. Dr. E spews:

erratum: should read “considerable historical ignorance” above.

73. Dr. E spews:

JCH – thanks for your comment. You proved my point (“considerable historical ignorance”).

74. Roger Rabbit spews:


should read “This epidemic corruption and economic inefficiency”

75. Roger Rabbit spews:

I’m not interested in eating a cucumber or any other vegetable matter that has resided in klake’s ass.

76. Roger Rabbit spews:


To add further historical perspective, in the 1920s and 1930s, Marxism was still a relatively new and untried concept, and had not yet been tainted by the horrors of Stalin’s Red Terror. Looking at the economic wreckage of the Great Depression around them, thoughtful people in America naturally were curious whether there was a better way, and some were drawn to various socialist models. The Depression was, after all, merely the latest and worst of a long string of depressions and panics; the first 150 years of the United States economy had been a very bumpy ride. This leftward tilt of the American intellectual movement occurred against the backdrop of the fascist movements then sweeping across Europe.

Experience has taught us that both laissez faire capitalist and socialist economic models look better on paper than they work in real life. We have fared best under the system of regulated capitalism invented and put in place by liberals, which conservatives seek to dismantle and replace with the old, discredited, laissez-faire system.

In 1917, Russia was one of the world’s most backward countries — a feudal society ruled by an in-bred hereditary monarchy that was almost totally lacking any industrial base, under which most people were serfs or, at best, impoverished peasants.

The Tsarist system was overthrown by the Mensheviks, precipitated by the unbearable burdens of Russia’s participation in World War I, in which the Tsarist army suffered one military disaster after another and sustained massive casualties. It is unlikely any government could have survived what the Russian people suffered in that war. Of course, they had no idea that even worse was to come.

Under the Tsars, Russia had an arbitrary system of conscription that was used to punish troublesome peasants and keep the rest in line. If a landowner had difficulties with a peasant, off to the army he went. The term of service was 25 years, so conscription was virtually a life sentence to the army, where the conscripts were treated brutally, and of course resulted in the conscript’s permanent and life-lasting separation from his wife and children. It was nearly equivalent to a death sentence.

Virtually all of the Tsarist officers were nobility. The vast majority were incompetent, and treated the troops harshly. Consequently, most of the offiers were highly unpopular among the ranks. This was the army that deserted the front lines en masse in 1917.

The Russian Revolution actually started in the small Tsarist navy, then spread like wildfire through the army. The Bolsheviks waited for an opening, then hijacked the revolution. The overthrow of the royals was followed by a 4-year civil war in which various revolutionary factions fought each other, with the Reds emerging the victors, who then proceeded to consolidate their power during the 1920s and 1930s by systematically eliminating rivals and enemies, while simultaneously trying to industrialize the country with a system of forced labor. The human toll was extremely high, but Stalin and his cohorts did wrestle the Soviet Union into the modern industrial era and build it into a superpower. However, the communist system was prone to corruption, and like all socialist economies, the Soviet economy was very inefficient and had very low productivity. This epidemic corruption and economic efficiency is what ultimately sank the Soviet system.

Communism, of course, was forever discredited by its totalitarian character and a record of murder and human rights abuses compiled by its implementers that exceeded even Hitler’s bloody record.

I do think 99.99% of Republicans know better than to equate liberals with socialists or communists. Liberals are capitalists, not socialists. Liberal economic, social, and political thinking is antithetical to the central planning and compulsive political features of socialist systems. Republicans do know this; it’s just one of many things they choose to lie about.

77. klake spews:

Well, if you’re a Democrat you send your wife and son to safety and when they’re gone you leave yourself. If you’re a Republican you pull out your own cucumber and hilarity ensues!!

Comment by Rev. A.A. Tappman: Anababtist— 2/23/06 @ 8:14 am
Rev that was a great line, keep up the good work, you made everybodys day except Roger’s.

78. REV Jesse [JCH] Jackson spews:

44, Dr. E, throwing down the smokescreen for “progressive” communism. ["If we only taxed more, we could "redistribute others wealth!!!"]

79. Mr. X spews:


What’s up with you and those dumb fact things, anyway?

BTW – this is one Democrat who can shoot straight, and knows that you don’t let loose a lot of unnecessary lead in the urban right-wing fantasy situation K(f)lake spewed.

80. Roger Rabbit spews:


“roger, to be a commie in the 30’s means she was born in the 1910’s?
Comment by righton— 2/23/06 @ 1:09 pm”

Sally Goldmark was born in 1907 and died in 1985.

81. Roger Rabbit spews:

If the truth be told, however, past experience with wingnuts strongly suggests they would drop the gun, leave the wife and kids behind, and run like hell in the opposite direction.

You know what I mean — Five Deferments Cheney, AWOL Bush, Draft Dodger Limbaugh, and their ilk.

82. righton spews:

roger, to be a commie in the 30′s means she was born in the 1910′s?

83. Roger Rabbit spews:

19 through 22

How do you tell if someone is a Neocon Republican?

If he sees a swastika, his heels automatically snap together and his right arm shoots out in a Hitler salute, without thinking about it.

84. Roger Rabbit spews:


Please have enough courtesy to refrain from posting mass-circulation e-mails from the rightwing fairytale factory on this blog. We all get enough of this crap in our e-mail in boxes without cluttering up the comment threads with it.

85. Roger Rabbit spews:


“Washington Democratic State Representative John Goldmark and his ex-Communist wife Sally”

To clarify, Sally Goldmark was a member of a communist party organization, but only very briefly. During the Great Depression years, when capitalism seemed to be collapsing around their ears, some American intellectuals flirted with communist as an alternative economic model. This was before the Soviet state became a nuclear power and a threatening rival of the U.S., and before Stalin’s crimes became known to the world, and at a time when most of the world was preoccupied with the rise of Hitler and Nazism. Instead of just calling Sally Goldmark an “ex-communist,” it would be fairer and more accurate to say that she, along with many alleged “communists” who were attacked by Sen. McCarthy, flirted with and then rejected communism as an experimental economic and social model. There’s a big difference between a “communist” and someone who looked into communism as a possible solution to social and economic problems, and then decided it doesn’t work. That’s a material omission, Richard.

86. REV Jesse [JCH] Jackson spews:

Blog Bitch:

Are you posting that stupid Kennedy B-day crap on every thread?


87. EIWK751 spews:

“Rethugs,” “Demo-dolts.” What’s the diff? They’re all worthless, self-centered assholes.

88. REV Jesse [JCH] Jackson spews:

Today is Kennedy’s birthday, as he turns 74. [Mary Jo was not available to wish the Senator a "Happy Birthday!]

89. Voter Advocate spews:

Rethugs are always bringing up the Clinton’s foibles expecting liberals to defend them, but they bring up such irrelevant examples.

Where Chelsea Clinton went to school doesn’t have an effect on people with less ability to pay for private education, and attendance at a private university is often due to not being accepted at a public one due to the competition for slots in classes. The point of a public education is that everyone has the opportunity for an education, not to limit the choices of people with different intellectual and financial abilities.

Passing NAFTA without labor and environmental protections, welfare reform without child care and job training, jumping on the flag burning amendment bandwagon, supporing the war in Iraq — there’s lots of important issues to criticize the Clinton’s about.

But, of course, that’s a major difference between Rethugs and Democrats. We don’t think anybody is above criticism. They think only their pol’s shit don’t stink.

90. REV Jesse [JCH] Jackson spews:

Public Colleges……..Bill Clinton was always in favor of public colleges. Hell, he flew over a couple hundred when taking his daughter to Stanford!!!

91. fire_one spews:

AP/UPI 15 Oct 2006:

The White House has issued the following statement:
We have discovered a threat to National Security of a “nuclear” nature. While we are following all possible leads to intercept this possible attack, we have postponed the upcoming elections for the forseeable future. Once this threat has been dealt with, and once the FBI and CIA have determined that it is no longer dangerous for Americans to vote, the scheduled elections will be conducted. Along with delaying this election, the President has temporarily suspended printing of all newspapers.
Acting in accordance within his Constitutional powers as the Commander in Chief, the President has ordered the massing of forces on the Iranian border.
We will not answer questions at this time due to security concerns.
Thank you.

92. vancouversucks spews:

How is it these right wingers always sound like my son’s middle school friends?

93. Voter Advocate spews:

Tad and Willie Lincoln studied in the oval room on the second floor. Andrew Johnson’s grandchildren were tutored in a basement schoolroom. The children of Rutherford Hayes were taught on the second floor in a space set aside in a hallway, Caroline Kennedy and ten of her friends met for class on the third floor. Amy Carter attended public school in Washington, D.C., while Susan Ford and Chelsea Clinton went to private schools in the area.

So of 10 children educated by Presidents while in the White House, one went to public school.

Conclusion — Amy Carter was unique with regard to her K-12 schooling.

94. Anonymous spews:

Jesus, retard (ie, Klake) I read that months ago. In my experience, it’s the southern republicans who are all pussies. I’m talking to you, Lord Spatula.

95. mesa spews:

If your Dick Cheney you accidently shoot your wife and kids in the process

96. Libertarian spews:

There’s not a whole lot of difference between these Nazi ya-hoos and the crazy Islamo-terrorists. The only difference I can see is that the Nazis haven’t developed the expertise in explosives like the Islamo-terroists. Yet…

97. Rev. A.A. Tappman: Anababtist spews:

You’re walking down a dark alley at midnight with your wife and crippled son. Suddenly you run accross klake with a huge cucumber up his bum. He pulls it out and charges you claiming that you are a card carrying commie. What do you do?

Well, if you’re a Democrat you send your wife and son to safety and when they’re gone you leave yourself. If you’re a Republican you pull out your own cucumber and hilarity ensues!!

98. Voter Advocate spews:

“You’re walking down a deserted street with your wife and two small children.”

That’s really funny, flake. We all know that Republicans don’t live in cities where there may actually be deserted streets, their wives would never walk down the street in one (even if they could be extracted from their suburban faux-palaces), and the kids are over in the town’s version of 2nd & Pike buying drugs.

The premise is just tooooo funny!!!

99. REV Jesse [JCH] Jackson spews:

It’s obvious Hillary has a sense of entitlement to rule not too distanced from the noblesse oblige of feudal times. Her daughter went to Sidwell Friends, a private school in DC. She paid for it (I guess – can’t count on the press to check on anything she did. She managed to get Chelsea’s nanny on the public payroll in ARK perhaps the taxpayer footed the bill for pvt school, too. You’ll neer find out from the press).

The point of getting Chelsea into Sidwell Friends was so she could meet the “right” people, make the “right” contacts. If Tanika and Tayshaun from the projects could have vouchers that might get them into Sidwell Friends, then what would be the point of sending her Political Princess to a Posh Private school?

In order to be a Democrat, you have to take the “Hippocritic” Oath. That includes the media who report on bogus TexANG papers but stifle Swift Boat vets’ accusations.

100. klake spews:

Off Topic:
Southern Republican’s Answer:

BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! click… (sounds of reloading).


Daughter: “Nice grouping, Daddy! Were those the Winchester Silver Tips or Hollow Points?

Son: Git-r-Dun Pop! Can I shoot the next one!

Wife: You ain’t taking that to the Taxidermist!

101. klake spews:

Off Topic:
Republican’s Answer:


102. klake spews:

Off Topic:

Democrat’s Answer:

Well, that’s not enough information to answer the qustion!

Does the man look poor! Or oppressed?

Have I ever done anything to him that would inspire him to attack?

Could we run away?

What does my wife think?

What about the kids?

Could I possibly swing the gun like a club and knock the knife out of his hand?

What does the law say about this situation?

Does the Glock have appropriate safety built into it?

Why am I carrying a loaded gun anyway, and what kind of message does this send to society and to my children?

Is it possible he’d be happy with just killing me?

Does he definitely want to kill me, or would he be content just to wound me?

If I were to grab his knees and hold on, could my family get away while he was stabbing me?

Should I call 9-1-1?

Why is this street so deserted?

We need to raise taxes, have a paint and weed day and make this a happier, healthier street that would discourage such behavior.

This is all so confusing! I need to debate this with some friends for a few days and try to come to a consensus.

103. klake spews:

Off Topic:

Subject: Are you a Democrat, Republican or Southern Republican?

Are you a Democrat, Republican or Southern Republican?

Here is a little test that will help you decide.

The answer can be found by posing the following question:

You’re walking down a deserted street with your wife and two small children.

Suddenly, an Islamic Terrorist with a huge knife comes around the corner, locks eyes with you, screams obscenities, praises Allah, raises the knife, and charges at you. You are carrying a Glock Cal. 40, and you are an expert shot. You have mere seconds before he reaches you and your family. What do you do?

104. Richard Pope spews:

During his 1962 re-election campaign, Washington Democratic State Representative John Goldmark and his ex-Communist wife Sally were loudly labeled subversives by the weekly Tonasket Tribune and some local John Birchers. When Goldmark lost, he and his wife slapped a $225,000 libel suit on five of their critics. Last winter the trial jury denied recovery to Sally, but awarded $40,000 to Goldmark on the grounds that he was beaten by criticism that overreached the limits of fair comment (TIME, Jan. 31).

Last week the Goldmarks got a shock: Superior Court Judge Theodore Turner granted the defendants a new trial because “the case was submitted to the jury on a basis which the U.S. Supreme Court has declared is fundamentally wrong.” Turner was referring to New York Times Co. v. Sullivan, a landmark decision holding that public officials can sue their critics only for a false statement “made with actual malice�that is, with knowledge that it was false or with reckless disregard for whether it was false or not.”

105. Richard Pope spews:

The modern law of libel, both nationally and in the states, did not truly take shape, however, until 1964 in New York Times v. Sullivan — one of the most important cases in all of First Amendment law. In particular, Sullivan had a direct effect in Washington in the case of Seattle attorney John Goldmark, which sits on the cusp between the old common law rules of libel and the First Amendment limits of the post-Sullivan era.

In 1962, Goldmark, a three-term Washington state legislator and chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee, was up for re-election.16 But, that summer, an article in the weekly Tonasket Tribune alleged that Gold-mark�s platform advocated the repeal of a law requiring all Communist Party members to register, that his son attended Reed College — the only school in the Northwest where the party secretary had been invited to speak — and that he was �a member of the American Civil Liber-ties Union, an organization closely affiliated with the Com-munist movement in the United States.�17 The accusations continued throughout the summer and Goldmark lost the election.18

Following this defeat, Goldmark was intent on bringing the publishers to justice.19 He was represented by future eminent jurist William L. Dwyer, who (as noted) literally wrote the book on the case. The trial, interrupted by the Kennedy assassination, ended in January 1964 with a $40,000 jury verdict for Goldmark.20

The Goldmark verdict, however, was short-lived, as Sullivan was handed down just a few weeks later. In Sullivan, the U.S. Supreme Court found that public officials like Goldmark may not recover damages because of a defamatory statement relating to official conduct unless the statement was made with �actual malice,� i.e., �with knowledge that it was false or with reckless disregard of whether it was false or not.�21 As a result, the trial judge in the Goldmark case set aside the verdict, ruling that Goldmark had not proven actual malice. Goldmark decided against an appeal, feeling that his name had been adequately cleared.22

106. Jimmy spews:

I think the goldwater comparison is relevant. It was one violent member of a group, mentally unstable, that was suggested to commit the murder by his peers. That is the danger of these groups as the people they attract may not be stable and go beyond the hate speech, ralley’s and flyer drops and act out.

107. righton spews:

Crack job of reporting Goldy…

You found some nut jobs we all agree are nut jobs.


108. Ted Smith spews:

I hate Illinois Nazis. J. Blues (1980)

109. Roger Rabbit spews:

Chuck Goldmark’s father, a lawyer and state senator, won a famous libel suit against a rightwing eastern Washington newspaper publisher who called the elder Goldmark a “communist.”

110. Roger Rabbit spews:

THIS is what the Neo-Nazis want.

111. [cock sucker] spews:

JCH is a human race traitor. Can we put him on some sort of list, too? Might as well put his power bottom klake there as well. Maybe they’ll be squished. Haha, just kidding. Or was I? Yes I was! Kidding? Oh yes! Or no! Haha! Or maybe not.

112. Roger Rabbit spews:

Kevin Carnes @2

You’re deluding yourself if you think you’re worth 2 cents.

113. Roger Rabbit spews:

Kevin Carnes @1

Your opinions are worth even less.

114. Roger Rabbit spews:


Chuck Goldmark was an attorney and Democratic activist (he was the Washington State coordinator for Gary Hart’s 1984 presidential campaign). Chuck, his wife Annie, and their two young sons were murdered in their own home on Christmas Eve, 1985. The perpetrator, David Rice, erroneously believed the Goldmarks were Jewish although robbery also was apparently a motive, or in any case, Rice’s use of Goldmark’s ATM card to withdraw cash was used as an aggravating circumstance to ask for the death penalty, which the jury awarded, but which was later overturned by the courts on a technicality. Rice is serving life without parole in Walla Walla.

The murders were committed by tying up the Goldmark family, rendering them unconscious with chloroform, then crushing their skulls with a steam iron.

115. Rev. A.A. Tappman: Anababtist spews:

What’s the significance of the Goldmark family?

116. bluesky spews:

Yah, just remember the Goldmark family…

117. Rev. A.A. Tappman: Anababtist spews:

Scary people. You have a child to protect. Advise the authorities of any threats you’ve received.

118. klake spews:

Off Topic; Roger and gang click the link and enjoy!

120. Belltowner spews:

Oink says “yes” to Nazis

121. Oink spews:

I’ll give you my 2 cents worth…
Hang it up while you are behind!