Climate change

I’m heading off to Florida for a week to take my daughter to visit her grandma. Expect light posting from me, but maybe Darryl, Will and Geov will pick up some of the slack.

Likewise, I won’t be on 710-KIRO this weekend. Frank Shiers will be filling in for me tonight, and Turi Ryder will be filling in on Sunday.


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    Now we know why he begs spews:

    Oh gee, hang on while we all slit our wrists…

    That is so nice you were able to use your pledges to make your mortgage payment.

    Yea, yea, we know (wink, wink) the suckers grandma is paying.

    You can fool some of the people all of the time, all of the people some of the time, but goldstein fools his suckers EVERY TIME.

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    harry poon spews:

    re 1: I’d enjoy posting some contrarian opinions on uSP, except the retarded Nazi whoruns it bans anyone who makes good arguments against his stupid, retrograde wingnut stuff.

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    harry poon spews:

    Yeah, no “Nanny State” for all you budding little Bill Kristols. You want to make your money the good old-fashioned way: inheritance.

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    harry poon spews:

    Nobody takes wingnuts seriously anymore, and it must get boring blathering amongst yourselves on Wingnut blogs, so you come over here posting your halfwit drivel.

    I hope the first people who occupy the concentration camps the neocons are building are their own supporters.

    After all, how can you let people run around free who are stupid enough to actually believe them?

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    harry poon spews:

    “We need you to help us stop Wal-Mart’s use of Nazi imagery once and for all.

    On Nov. 9, 2006, a blog named Bent Corner revealed Wal-Mart was selling a t-shirt with the insignia of Nazi Germany’s 3rd SS Division Totenkopf.

    On Nov. 13, 2006, Wal-Mart said it would stop selling and immediately remove the t-shirts with the Nazi insignia.

    But, last week, bloggers from Consumerist were still able to buy the offensive t-shirt at a Wal-Mart store in Georgia.

    This outrage prompted 21 bi-partisan members of the U.S. Congress, led by Rep. Jan Schakowsky, to write Wal-Mart and say, “We are gravely dismayed about Wal-Mart’s inaction on its pledge to remove this product from its stores, and we ask that you take immediate steps to comply with last November’s commitment to remove this offensive merchandise from your shelves.”

    Please sign our petition calling on Wal-Mart to immediately end its use of Nazi imagery, once and for all:

    Unfortunately, this is not the first time Wal-Mart has used a Nazi image.

    Last year, Wal-Mart used a Nazi image in a newspaper ad attacking a local community group in Arizona. The Anti-Defamation League, our campaign and public officials all denounced Wal-Mart’s ad, and Wal-Mart was forced to pull the ad and apologize to the public.

    Now, it’s time to stop Wal-Mart’s use of Nazi imagery once and for all.

    Please sign our petition:

    The day when companies like Wal-Mart could lie to the American people and get away with it are over.

    By holding Wal-Mart accountable, these bloggers and our campaign are proving the power we all have to join together and change Wal-Mart and change corporate America for the better.”

    Let’s keep up the fight.

    Thank you for all that you do,

    Jeremy Bird

    P.S. Here are three links of interest to this story:

    The original Wal-Mart Nazi t-shirt blog post:

    The latest Wal-Mart Nazi t-shirt sale:

    A Chicago Tribune article on Rep. Jan Schakowsky’s letter to Wal-Mart:

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    harry poon spews:

    re 7: This is how Wingnuts support our soldiers. No wonder Sharanski bans us from commenting to the deluded Wingnuts who read his slimy crap.

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    Goldy, er Carl, er Roger, no wait, maybe Dug, hell I don\'t know who the fuck I am today spews:

    Now we know that Hairy Puta is also goldstien rabbit.

    The dirty little secret is that goldstien rabbit posts, closes the browser, reopens the browser, posts, closes the browser, reopens the browser, posts … thereby falsifying the sitemeter.

    Is there anything a desperate greedy liberal power and attention whore refuses to pervert?

  8. 10

    harry poon spews:

    re 9: Change the subject and don’t respond to the factually accurate accusations I hurl against wingnutz.

    Yer DUMB!

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    harry poon spews:

    Backlash grows against free trade
    A record US trade deficit is rekindling the globalization debate.
    By Mark Trumbull | Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor
    Worries about the dark side of free trade are surfacing in the United States in ways that could affect the course of globalization worldwide.

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    Goldy, er Carl, er Roger, no wait, maybe Dug, hell I don\'t know who the fuck I am today spews:

    Hairy Puta, Prior to post 10, you had no subject.

    Check your reflection for Yer DUMB!

    Furthermore, is there anyone outside this moonbat training camp that cares what the dumbest (and ugliest) senator ever has to say?

    I have to give the ugly dope credit for staying in the senate to secure her great big government pension, because as we know, that is the only reason she is there.

    Can you name one single thing the ugly dope (Murray, although Evita Peron Hillary fits the description too) has ever contributed to our country?

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    harry poon spews:

    re 12: What are you proudest of that the Bush administration and its do-nothing Congress has done since the year 2000. What ha sTrent Lott ever done for this country?

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    Goldy, er Carl, er Roger, no wait, maybe Dug, hell I don\'t know who the fuck I am today spews:

    The most endearing contribution of Trent Lott is that he wisely CHANGED PARTIES….

    Lott was raised as a Democrat. He served as administrative assistant to House Rules Committee chairman William M. Colmer, also of Pascagoula, from 1968 to 1972. When Colmer, one of the leading segregationists in the Democratic Party, retired after 40 years in Congress, he endorsed Lott as his successor in Mississippi\’s 5th District, located in the state\’s southwestern tip, even though Lott ran as a Republican. Lott won handily.

    Good old Trent has sponsored just as much legislation as Evita Peron Hillary, but while Evita Peron Hillary contemplates her next poll generated flipflop and/or the wandering penis of her husband meal ticket, Trent is well known for being very effective at getting legislation passed.

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    Tree Frog Farmer spews:

    Loosely paraphrased from #13 Trent is very effective at getting legislation passedx extorting money from ‘K’ Street for various Republican Criminal Endeavors.

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    Tree Frog Farmer spews:

    Trent Lott still has a perilous gauntlet to run with both Grand Juries and Congressional oversight hearings. Buckle up, bunky, these next two years coud be very bumpy for br’er Lott.

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    bj spews:

    Hey, Goldy — Have a good trip. The main problem with going to Florida, in my experience, is that it’s nearly impossible to find a good microbrew (or, for that matter, almost any microbrews).

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    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @1 Goldy is a “producer.” Preventing the GOP-nazis from taking over America will save us all trillions of dollars on the wars that won’t be fought, the concentration camps that won’t be built, the mercenaries who won’t be hired, and the corruption and theft that won’t happen.

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    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @5 I personally believe they post here because they crazy masochists who like being slapped around because they enjoy pain.

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    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @8 Maybe you’d like to explain how Goldy manages to post under the name “Roger Rabbit” at the same time he’s on the air doing his radio show?

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    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @11 “the only reason she is there …”

    … is because 58% of Washington’s voters preferred her to the Brand X candidate, whose name I can no longer remember. Say, which obscure GOP nonentity DID run against Murray in ’04, does anyone remember?

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    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @21 Oh yeah, now I remember … it was Term Limits Nethercutt. The guy who told voters that if he served 4 years in Congress, that would be enough. The voters agreed and helped him keep his promise by defeating him.

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    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @13 “The most endearing contribution of Trent Lott is that he wisely CHANGED PARTIES….”

    Gotta agree with you there, pard. Racist louts like Lott belong in the GOP. We don’t want ‘em.

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    Goldy, er Carl, er Roger, no wait, maybe Dug, hell I don\'t know who the fuck I am today spews:

    @ 20 I give goldstien rabbit some benefit of the doubt that you can walk/chew gum, talk/blog at the same time. Are you saying you can\’t?

    @ 21, 22, 23 Repeat, rinse repeat: The dirty little secret is that goldstien rabbit posts, closes the browser, reopens the browser, posts, closes the browser, reopens the browser, posts … thereby falsifying the sitemeter.

    Is there anything a desperate greedy liberal power and attention whore refuses to pervert?

    Re: goldstien rabbit heading to Florida on the dimes backs of poor ignorant suckers who sent him cold hard vacation cash:

    You can fool some of the people all of the time, all of the people some of the time, but goldstein fools his suckers EVERY TIME.

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    Sniveling Lying Liberal Lefties Love Islamo-Nutjob\'s spews:

    Re 23: KKK Byrd, Al Bore SR., Lester Maddox, Ernest Hollings, J. William Fulbright and George Wallace.

    The longest filibuster in the U.S. Senate was conducted by the Democrats over the 1957 Civil Rights Act.

    The Civil Rights Act of 1964 passed the House 290-130, and Republican support for the bill was much stronger than Democratic: 61 percent (152-96) of the Democrats supported the legislation while 80 percent (138-34) of the Republicans backed it. These numbers were similar in the Senate — 69 percent of Democrats (46-21), backed the bill along with 82 percent of Republicans (27-6).

    Sen. Al Gore Sr., D-Tenn., was one of the 21 Democrats who voted against it. So was Sen. Robert Byrd, D-W.V., himself a former member of the Ku Klux Klan.

    It was pretty much the same for the Voting Rights Act of 1965. In the House, 82 percent of the Republicans backed the bill; in the Senate, 94 percent of the Republicans backed it. Gore Sr. voted for the bill this time, but 17 other Southern Democrats voted against it — including Sen. J. William Fulbright of Arkansas, a mentor to President Bill Clinton.

    *Al Gore Sr. voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
    *Al Gore Sr. participated in a 74 day filibuster to delay and weaken the legislation.
    *Al Gore Sr. proposed an amendment to the Civil Rights Act that would have kept federal funds flowing to schools that defied court desegregation orders. It was defeated by a vote of 74-25. 23 Democrats and 1 Republican voted for it.
    *Al Gore even lied during the campaign. In a speech to the NAACP, Vice President Gore said his father lost his Senate seat because he supported civil rights legislation. A typical Democrat lie to distort the truth.

    In his remarks upon signing the Civil Rights Act, President Lyndon Johnson praised Republicans for their \”overwhelming majority.\” He did not offer similar praise to his own Democratic Party.

    Abraham Lincoln was the first Republican President. After defeating the Democratic candidate, Lincoln rallied the national to issue the Emancipation Proclamation. Not to the delight of Democratics, who wanted to continue slavery.

    Let\’s not forget, who first instituted Affirmative Action, President Richard Nixon.

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    Liberals: proven RACIST fuckers spews:

    From an article written by Larry Elder, November 17, 2005:

    If only blacks knew of the true history of the Democratic Party.

    \”Black History Month\” has been observed for 29 years, yet many blacks know little to nothing about the parties\’ respective roles in advancing or hindering the civil rights of blacks. How many blacks know that following the Civil War, 23 blacks — 13 of them ex-slaves — were elected to Congress, all as Republicans? The first black Democrat was not elected to Congress until 1935, from the state of Illinois. The first black congressional Democrat from a Southern state was not elected until 1973.

    Democrats, in 1854, passed the Kansas-Nebraska Act. This overturned the Missouri Compromise and allowed for the importation of slaves into the territories. Disgusted with the passage of this Act, free-soilers and anti-slavery members of the Whig and Democratic parties founded the Republican Party — not just to stop the spread of slavery, but to eventually abolish it.

    How many blacks know that blacks founded the Texas Republican Party? On July 4, 1867, in Houston, Texas, 150 blacks and 20 whites formed the party. No, not the Black Texas Republican Party, they founded the Texas Republican Party. Blacks across Southern states also founded the Republican parties in their states.

    Fugitive slave laws? In 1850, Democrats passed the Fugitive Slave Law. If merely accused of being a slave, even if the person enjoyed freedom all of his or her life (as approximately 11 percent of blacks did just before the Civil War), the person lost the right to representation by an attorney, the right to trial by jury, and the right to habeas corpus.

    Emancipation? Republican President Abraham Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclamation during the Civil War. In 1865, the 13th Amendment emancipating the slaves was passed with 100 percent of Republicans (88 of 88 in the House, 30 of 30 in the Senate) voting for it. Only 23 percent of Democrats (16 of 66 in the House, 3 of 8 in the Senate) voted for it.

    Civil rights laws? In 1868, the 14th Amendment was passed giving the newly emancipated blacks full civil rights and federal guarantee of those rights, superseding any state laws. Every single voting Republican (128 of 134 — with 6 not voting — in the House, and 30 of 32 — with 2 not voting — in the Senate) voted for the 14th Amendment. Not a single Democrat (zero of 36 in the House, zero of 6 in the Senate) voted for it.

    Right to vote? When Southern states balked at implementing the 14th Amendment, Congress came back and passed the 15th Amendment in 1870, guaranteeing blacks the right to vote. Every single Republican voted for it, with every Democrat voting against it.

    Ku Klux Klan? In 1872 congressional investigations, Democrats admitted beginning the Klan as an effort to stop the spread of the Republican Party and to re-establish Democratic control in Southern states. As PBS\’ \”American Experience\” notes, \”In outright defiance of the Republican-led federal government, Southern Democrats formed organizations that violently intimidated blacks and Republicans who tried to win political power. The most prominent of these, the Ku Klux Klan, was formed in Pulaski, Tenn., in 1865.\” Blacks, who were all Republican at that time, became the primary targets of violence.

    Jim Crow laws? Between 1870 and 1875, the Republican Congress passed many pro-black civil rights laws. But in 1876, Democrats took control of the House, and no further race-based civil rights laws passed until 1957. In 1892, Democrats gained control of the House, the Senate and the White House, and repealed all the Republican-passed civil rights laws. That enabled the Southern Democrats to pass the Jim Crow laws, poll taxes, literacy tests, and so on, in their individual states.

    Civil rights in the \’60s? Only 64 percent of Democrats in Congress voted for the 1964 Civil Rights Act (153 for, 91 against in the House; and 46 for, 21 against in the Senate). But 80 percent of Republicans (136 for, 35 against in the House; and 27 for, 6 against in the Senate) voted for the 1964 Act.

    What about the reviled, allegedly anti-black, Republican \”Southern strategy\”? Pat Buchanan, writing for Richard Nixon (who became the Republican Party candidate two years later) coined the term \”Southern strategy.\” They expected the \”strategy\” to ultimately result in the complete marginalization of racist Southern Democrats. \”We would build our Republican Party on a foundation of states\’ rights, human rights, small government, and a strong national defense,\” said Buchanan, \”and leave it to the \’party of [Democratic Georgia Gov. Lester] Maddox, [1966 Democratic challenger against Spiro Agnew for Maryland governor George] Mahoney, and [Democratic Alabama Gov. George] Wallace to squeeze the last ounces of political juice out of the rotting fruit of racial injustice.\’\” And President Richard Nixon, Republican, implemented the first federal affirmative action (race-based preference) laws with goals and timetables.

    So next \”Black History Month,\” pass some of this stuff along.

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    Liberals: proven RACIST fuckers spews:

    From an article written by Dennis Prager, Feb 7, 2006:

    For decades, it has been a template of the major media that Republicans are the party of racism. It repeats uncritically any charges of Republican racism, no matter how unfounded. Democrats, on the other hand, are always given a pass whenever they commit racist offenses. Even a cursory review, however, will show that the media template is totally contrary to history.

    Slavery is the greatest evil ever to beset black people in this country. In the decades leading up to the Civil War, there was intense political debate on what to do about it. The Republican Party was founded in 1854 for the express purpose of ending slavery. The Democratic Party, by contrast, defended it to the bitter end.

    Just to show how far Democrats would go to defend slavery, it\’s worth remembering what happened to Sen. Charles Sumner, Republican of Massachusetts. After giving a speech denouncing slavery in 1856, he was viciously beaten by Rep. Preston Brooks, Democrat of South Carolina, for daring to question the right to own slaves. Being a coward, Brooks waited until the elderly Sumner was seated alone at his desk in the Senate and, without warning, struck him repeatedly with a cane. It took months for Sumner to recover.

    In 1858, Sen. Stephen A. Douglas, Democrat of Illinois, debated Republican Abraham Lincoln on the question of slavery. Said Douglas during one of those debates: \”For one, I am opposed to negro citizenship in any and every form. I believe this government was made on the white basis. I believe it was made by white men for the benefit of white men and their posterity forever, and I am in favor of confining citizenship to white men, men of European birth and descent, instead of conferring it upon negroes, Indians and other inferior races.\”

    So prevalent were these views in the Democratic Party that Douglas was named its presidential candidate in 1860. Amazingly, Southerners actually viewed Douglas as being too moderate on the slavery issue and instead voted for Vice President John C. Breckinridge, a slave-owner who also ran as a Democrat, thus splitting the pro-slavery vote and allowing Lincoln to win.

    After the war, the Democratic Party held a lock on the South for more than 100 years. All of the \”Jim Crow\” laws that prevented blacks from voting and kept them down were enacted by Democratic governors and Democratic legislatures. The Ku Klux Klan was virtually an auxiliary arm of the Democratic Party, and any black (or white) who threatened the party\’s domination was liable to be beaten or lynched. Democrats enacted the first gun-control laws in order to prevent blacks from defending themselves against Ku Klux Klan violence. Chain gangs were developed by Democrats to bring back de facto slave labor.

    President Woodrow Wilson, the second Democrat to serve since the Civil War, reintroduced segregation throughout the federal government immediately upon taking office in 1913. Avowed racists such as Josephus Daniels and Albert Burleson were named Cabinet secretaries. Black leaders like W.E.B. DuBois, who had strongly supported Wilson, were bitterly disappointed, but shouldn\’t have been surprised. As president of Princeton University, Wilson refused to admit blacks and as governor of New Jersey ignored blacks\’ requests for state jobs, even though their votes had provided his margin of victory.

    When Franklin D. Roosevelt had his first opportunity to name a member of the Supreme Court, he appointed a life member of the Ku Klux Klan, Sen. Hugo Black, Democrat of Alabama. In 1944, FDR chose as his vice president Harry Truman, who had joined the Ku Klux Klan in Kansas City in 1922. Throughout his presidency, Roosevelt resisted Republican efforts to pass a federal law against lynching, and he opposed integration of the armed forces.

    Another Ku Klux Klan member, Sen. Robert C. Byrd, Democrat of West Virginia, personally filibustered the Civil Rights Act of 1964 for 14 straight hours to keep it from passage. He is still a member of the U.S. Senate today. As recently as the 1980s, Sen. Ernest Hollings, Democrat of South Carolina, publicly referred to blacks as \”darkies\” and Hispanics as \”wetbacks\” without suffering any punishment from his party.

    In short, the historical record clearly shows that Democrats, not Republicans, have been the party of racism in this country.

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    K spews:

    @26,27- first of all give me something in the last 40 years.

    And then explain the Willie Horton ads.

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    rob spews:

    When animals give back

    March 8, 2001 | Claiming the words just “popped into his head” as he was trying to articulate the importance of “goodwill” among people of different races, Sen. Robert Byrd apologized last weekend for using the words “white nigger” on national television.

    “There are white niggers. I’ve seen a lot of white niggers in my time,” the octogenarian senator and former Klansman said in a taped interview on “Fox News Sunday,” trying to make a point about character not being related to skin color. “I’m going to use that word.”

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    rob spews:

    Gandhi comment
    Clinton came under criticism in 2004 after saying that Mahatma Gandhi “ran a gas station down in Saint Louis.” This comment represented a stereotyped view of South Asians living in the United States. Clinton apologized, blamed “a lame attempt at humor,” and claimed that she “admired the work and life of Mahatma Gandhi and had spoken publicly about that many times.” [59] Michelle Naef, administrator of the M.K. Gandhi Institute for Nonviolence said she didn’t think Clinton was trying to demean Mahatma Gandhi and credited both Clintons as long having supported the Gandhi message. However, Naef said that Clinton’s remarks were offensive and could be “incredibly harmful.” [60]

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    rob spews:

    William R. Horton Jr. (born August 12, 1951 in Chesterfield, South Carolina) is a convicted felon who was the subject of a Massachusetts weekend furlough program that released him while serving a life sentence for murder, without the possibility of parole, providing him the opportunity to commit a rape and armed robbery. A political advertisement during the 1988 U.S. Presidential race was critical of the Democratic nominee and Massachusetts Governor Michael Dukakis for his support of the program.

    On October 26, 1974, in Lawrence, Massachusetts, Horton and two accomplices robbed Joseph Fournier, a 17 year old gas station attendant, stabbed him 19 times, and left him in a trash can. Fournier died from blood loss. Horton was convicted of murder, sentenced to life imprisonment, and incarcerated at the Concord Correctional Facility in Massachusetts. On June 6, 1986, he was released as part of a weekend furlough program but did not return.

    On April 3, 1987 in Oxon Hill, Maryland, Horton twice raped a local woman after pistol-whipping, knifing, binding, and gagging her fiancé. He then stole the car belonging to the man he had assaulted, but was later captured by police after a chase. On October 20, Horton was sentenced in Maryland to two consecutive life terms plus 85 years. The sentencing judge refused to return Horton to Massachusetts, saying, “I’m not prepared to take the chance that Mr. Horton might again be furloughed or otherwise released. This man should never draw a breath of free air again.” This was reported in the October 1987 Reader’s Digest.

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    rob spews:

    Al Gore and Willie Horton:

    Horton in the 1988 Presidential campaign
    There is some disagreement about when the Horton case was first used against Dukakis, and whether the Republican Party first brought it up in the campaign, or whether in fact then-Senator Al Gore did in the Democratic presidential primary. Some believe that Horton’s name first surfaced during the general election. They say that Gore raised only the general issue of the furlough program during the Democratic primary. Others have said that Gore did indeed bring up Horton and that his campaign included Horton in calls to NY primary voters. In the 2000 Democratic primary, former Senator Bill Bradley declared that Gore had ‘given birth’ to Willie Horton in the 1988 New York primary. Gore denied the allegation. There is no hard evidence, such as interviews or position papers, to indicate that Gore ever mentioned Willie Horton specifically.

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    rob spews:

    Dukakis Counter Ad to Willie Horton:

    The commercial was filmed at an actual state prison in Draper, Utah, but the persons depicted – thirty in all, including three African-Americans and two Hispanics – were all paid actors. Attempting to counter-attack, Dukakis’s campaign ran an ad about a murderer named Angel Medrano who raped and killed a pregnant mother of two after escaping from a federal correctional halfway house. Unlike Horton, Medrano (who according to Arizona Department of Corrections records, has been found guilty of 16 major and eight minor violations of prison rules and conduct between 1982 and 1999 including assault with a weapon) was not already serving a life sentence without the possibility of parole. Dukakis’s ad ignored this fact and displayed Medrano’s name and showed his photograph. According to Elizabeth Drew of “The New Yorker,” several Hispanic congressmen in the Southwest asked Dukakis to delete Medrano’s name, which was done.

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    YOS LIB BRO spews:





  33. 38

    RightEqualsStupid spews:

    My favorite thing about climate change is knowing that it will eventually kill off the right wing screed that is destroying our world. Decades from now, millions of right winger offspring will suffer and die, along with the rest of our planet because they wanted a talking point. They’ll die because they wanted to ignore the best science that we have in order to keep their ability to make an extra buck at the pump.

    Their end – well It will be sweet justice. And it won’t impact me one way or the other. I don’t have kids. I’ll be dead. And I’ll be down in Hell waiting for all the right wing cowards, whores, traitors and turds who will get to spend eternity getting their ass kicked by liberals like me. HE HE!

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    harry poon spews:

    re 33: Ultimately,what you run in to when you try to use race to scare white guys with rebel flag decals on their trucks into voting for your side, is that we can very reasonably point out to the white guy that his family doesn’t have health insurance either.

    You’ll be trumped by reality — Willie Horton, notwithstanding.

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    Has anyone (or maybe everyone) else noticed an interesting tendency of the Republicans, that when they complain about something, it’s because they are either doing the same thing, or intend to do it?

    Subject is voter fraud. Of course, we’ve all seen the cases of voter fraud where Republicans try to scare legal voters away from the polls (California), where Republicans try to remove legal voters from the voter rolls (Washington, Florida) and where Republicans use paperless electronic voting machines to change the actual vote tally (Florida, North Carolina).

    So, why do the Republicans keep talking about vote fraud at the level of individual votes?

    Of course, one answer is to keep us from looking into the actual vote fraud they’re currently commiting. They’d like to somehow gain the reputation of being the party for clean elections, while using every dirty trick they can find.

    But there is another thing I have noticed. They’re pushing “vote by mail” about as hard as they can, while the method they prefer to ensure voter eligibility is to require a photo ID at the polling place.

    My own observation is that folks of lesser means tend to use polling places. Certainly the homeless, but also just regular folks, older people, and just people like me that have a love of honest democracy tend to choose to go down to the polls and vote.

    These are the folks that will need some sort of ID. (I should note that in at least one of the Republican proposals, I would not be able to produce an acceptable ID. I carry both a drivers licence and military ID, but under their proposal, neither of them would suffice.)

    In an earlier thread, I proposed the idea of using a thumbprint, and also requiring it on the security envelope for absentee ballots.

    This led to a long, name-calling tirade from PBJ, where he seriously(?) proposed that Democrats would resort to cutting off people’s thumbs, (as in Minority Report) in order to cast illegal votes.

    Could it be that a method like that would interfere with a Republican plan to use absentee ballots to cast illegal votes? We’ve already seen one instance where they tried to get a bunch of unverified, unpostmarked, supposedly “military” votes admitted in Florida. (I’m familiar enough with the military postal system to know that a mail bag filled with ballots, no postmarks and no tracking documents means that someone is up to no good.)

    This may already be happening. Photo ID requirements only help if someone actually sees the ID. Republicans are pushing the “vote by mail” very hard.

    Scanner technology has gotten very good and is getting better. This is something we can do to ensure that each legal voter only votes once, while not putting up a barrier to legal votes. Every time it is mentioned, the Republicans go into screaming fits of name calling, in an attempt to change the subject.

    What are they up to?

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    Dave Gibney spews:

    Having been stuck with him for 10 years, yah, I know.
    Mr. Netherbutt is pulling in a fine lobbyist incomeat home in Virginia now.

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    john…what are the REPUBLICANS up to????

    obviously NOT buying a house from you, huh?
    so, how’s that real estate ad going? get any BIG leads from advertising on here?