Can you trust a reporter?

The TNT’s Joe Turner reports that Gregoire Communications Director Pearse Edwards kinda-sorta lied to AP reporter Rachel La Corte about the governor’s whereabouts.  Edwards admitted to Turner:

“I did tell Rachel that the Governor was not in Iraq yesterday when we spoke. The security on this was critical and I was under strict instructions not to release that information by Dept. of Defense.”

Yeah, well, technically, the governor wasn’t in Iraq, she was en route, but considering the security concerns, wouldn’t La Corte have honored an embargo if Edwards had forthrightly answered her question on that condition?  I know I would’ve, for in the same way that Edwards might have damaged his credibility by deliberately misleading a reporter, I would have damaged my credibility by not honoring an embargo.  It’s a two-way street you know.

Or maybe I just don’t get something about this journalism thing?

Comments

  1. 1

    Piper Scott spews:

    Given the hyper-partisan nature of HA, Goldy, why would anyone in his or her right mind trust you?

    If the information had been about Dick Cheney or Dino Rossi or anyone associated with BIAW, would you be so punctilious in guarding the information?

    This journalism thing is a lot about trust – can you be trusted by everybody to respect the confidences of everybody irrespective of point of view?

    Hmmm…???

    The Piper

  2. 2

    sarge spews:

    He handled it perfectly. Question asked, answered, accurately. Pearse did what he was suppose to do, keep the trip secret. If there was no security benefit for it being secret, they wouldn’t need to keep it secret.

    He didn’t lie, and he didn’t gamble his reputation on the ethics of a reporter. Can’t say I blame him!

    I kind of remember Sam Powers getting screwed by a reporter (figuratively, of course).

  3. 3

    John425 spews:

    The New York Times doesn’t seem to be put off by “security reasons” so why should the TNT?
    Personally, I think she kept the trip a secret from the WA state troops over there because she’s afraid they’d frag her.

  4. 4

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    Piper has a real good point Goldy…you’re a big blabbermouth! You can’t help yourself.

    I still don’t understand why all the high drama with things calm in Iraq…..what was Gregoire worried about??
    She didn’t go when there was any danger.

    I also wonder about WHO paid for the cost of this trip????
    Seems a bit disingenuous to all of a sudden in the midst of the worst Budget Crisis in Washington State history to spend money on a photo-op junket.
    That’s ALL this was.
    Had Gregoire gone when combat was fierce…different story.
    Disclose the cost of the trip!
    That’s the question.

  5. 5

    spews:

    I’d like to know more of what Gregoire did while in Iraq. Who did she meet, where did she go? Did she spend her entire trip within the relatively safe confines of the westernized Green Zone, or did she actually venture out and visit some troops at a forward operating base?

  6. 6

    Piper Scott spews:

    @4…Mr.C…

    The governor of a state has no higher duty than to maintain as close of a contact as possible with the men and women of, in this case, her state who serve their country in time of war.

    It’s a perfectly appropriate use of public funds for Gov. Gregoire to visit Washington National Guard troops serving in Iraq. It’s also the best possible use of her time.

    While things are much calmer now than a year ago (thanks to the surge), people still die there on a daily basis – soldiers, Marines, Iraqis are all people. Security of the highest order is fully appropriate.

    BTW…authority over the Green Zone was transferred to Iraq last week.

    I have absolutely no problem with Christine Gregoire’s Iraq visit. I applaud it, and I appreciate her making the trip. While I will fit her hammer and tong, tooth and nail on policy issues, in her role as governor of the State of Washington, this trip is exactly what she should be doing.

    The Piper

  7. 7

    spews:

    Piper & Cynical,

    I’ve been embargoed dozens of times, and I’ve always honored them, even when the purpose of the embargo was to allow a “real” journalist to break the story first. (The concern being, that if I broke the story, the Times, for example, might ignore it out of spite.)

    My word is my word, even when given to a Republican.

  8. 8

    Puddybud spews:

    Damn people, do you remember what happened to Prince Harry in Afghanistan when his cover was blown?

    PuddyHistory Lesson…

    Australian news magazine, New Idea, first posted it an it was ignored be everyone. When Drudge reported it all hell broke out. So I guess Drudge is a credible source…

  9. 9

    Puddybud spews:

    Cynical, I agree with Piper. This time you are wrong about trip costs and payment…

    Otherwise, keep screwing with the HA leftist pinheads…

  10. 10

    rhp6033 spews:

    Piper @ 6: Gee, we are (mostly) in agreement! Although we might argue about the effectiveness of the surge (let’s save that for another post), Iraq is still a dangerous enough place that no VIP (of any magnitude) is going to wander around, or be without significant security.

    On the plus side, my friend at a forward firebase in Iraq reports that the temperature is tolerable, now that it’s winter there. Last summer it got up to 123 degrees F at his location.

    But why would Gregoire’s absence such big news? Most governors could take two or three days off to make such a visit, and nobody would even notice their absence. Lots of governors, both Republican and Democrat, have gone to Iraq to visit their troops there, with hardly a peep from the press until after the fact.

    It’s only a big news story because this trip happened to coincide with Obama’s selection of his cabinet and other appointed positions, along with Gregoire’s staff being unable to give the real reason for the trip, which fueled speculation.

    The timing of the trip also shows that Gregoire never really considered herself a candidate for a cabinet position. I’m happy. Like Goldy, I would have been dismayed by the prospect of repeating last year’s governetorial campaign this year.

  11. 11

    Piper Scott spews:

    @7…Goldy…

    “My word is my word, even when given to a Republican.”

    How about, “…especially when given to a Republican?” Or, better still, “…my word is my word – PERIOD!”

    Still waiting for you to confirm friend status on Facebook…;~}

    The Piper

  12. 14

    spews:

    While most of you are discussing the merits of Gregoire’s visit, you do realize that wasn’t Goldy’s point. This was an esoteric post about himself and journalism.

  13. 16

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    Piper & Puddy–
    I still want to know how much this Gregoire trip cost and who paid for it.
    Full disclosure.

    Do you really think a visit by Gregoire pumped up the Washington National Guard troops?
    I’d love to see a film of her visit.
    We likely paid for the trip.
    We have a right to know her Agenda and the cost.

  14. 17

    YLB spews:

    Wingnuts who live and breathe off the detritus of the likes of Limbaugh, Matt Sludge and Insanity Hannity can never be trusted.

  15. 18

    rhp6033 spews:

    Cynical;

    Did you ask the same questions about Gov. Palin’s trip to Iraq during her Vice-Presidential campaign, ostensibly to visit Alaskan national guard troops? That was certainly more of an obviously partison-benefit photo op than is Gregoire’s trip.

    I thought not.

  16. 19

    YLB spews:

    Oh and anyone, anyone who claims to be a fan of Dorky Moron CANNOT BE TRUSTED, EVER EVER EVER ..

  17. 20

    spews:

    @19

    Please make comments related to the post’s topic. Off-topic comments can be expressed when we post an open thread.

    – Thank You

  18. 21

    sarge spews:

    18: My thoughts exactly. Gregoire Won. She doesn’t need the photo op. She probably waited until after the election for exactly that reason, so it wouldn’t be construed as a photo op for political benefit.

    She’s doing her job. Our guard troops are isolated in that hell-hole over there. They need to know that the people in charge haven’t forgot about them.

    Why must you always be so cynical, Mr. Cynical?

  19. 24

    spews:

    I, for one, want to thank the Governor for traveling all the way to Iraq, and staying in a luxury hotel within the walls of the Green Zone, so that she can thank the dignitaries and officers who reside in this oasis for their service.

  20. 26

    Puddybud spews:

    rhp6033: Is it for us as Washingtonians to question another state’s governor trip itinerary? Or is your PDS (Palin Derangement Syndrome) still affecting that single celled brain? If Alaskans have issues then they should flog her.

  21. 27

    YLB spews:

    Please make comments related to the post’s topic. Off-topic comments can be expressed when we post an open thread.

    Oh gee. Was I off topic? I apologize. And while I’m at it, I’ll apologize for comments 13 and 22.

    Now kindly go fuck yourself.

  22. 28

    Puddybud spews:

    Dipshit@27: I reported on reporters and their reports.

    End of conversation with a Dipshit

    BTW, we’d like a demonstration on your last sentence. Please… show us how you do that.

    LMAO!

  23. 29

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    rhp–
    A Vice-Presidential Candidate travelling to Iraq makes a lot more sense than a Governor waiting until things are safe and post-election to try & make points as she schemes ways to raise taxes.

    How much did it cost?
    Who paid for it?
    What was her itinerary?

    What is wrong with those simple questions???
    Let’s get the facts on the table.
    Taxpayers have a right to know where there tax dollars are going!
    Guess we’ll have to drag it out with a Public Records Request, huh?!!

  24. 30

    YLB spews:

    28 – Hmmm. I don’t do that. I leave that to braindead right wing tools like you. It kind of goes hand in hand with the right wing bilge you consume. See last Nov 4 for the proof.

    Oh and was 15 relevant to the topic?

  25. 31

    Trust a Reporter spews:

    Instead of discussing the Democrat Culture of Corruption (Hot Rod Blago, ‘Fingers’ Richardson, Spritzer, Cold Cash Jefferson) or the liberal plantation (Why does not-very-hairy Reed hate black people?), I’ll talk reporters and torture.

    Not “torture.” “Torture” = Gitmo and Aguilera tunes. Torture = Stalin.

    Check THE FORSAKEN: AN AMERICAN TRAGEDY IN STALIN’S RUSSIA by Tim Tzouliadis, Penguin Press, New York, 2008.

    When secret Soviet archives were briefly opened about 15 years ago, Haynes & Klehr mentioned a community of Depression-era Ballard Americans, Finns in Seattle USA, who went back to the USSR to build socialism and to build Fords.

    Tzouliadis shows that there were thousands of others who gave up on America at a bad time and who knew, from Pulitzer winner Walter Duranty’s reporting in the New York Times, that Stalin’s Russia was a good place to be for liberals in a hurry. FDR was also swayed by Duranty, and granted recognition to Stalin’s terrorist regime.

    Forsaken tells the story and conveys the spirit of the time. It’s more harrowing than Stephen King (whose dust-jacket photos creep me out) and it’s a story told without photo support. Perhaps that’s why it’s no story at all to liberals, who mostly can’t read, and to Hollywood. So …

    “Here was clearly a man who seemed to embrace all. So kindly – I can never forget that warm feeling of kindliness and also a feeling of success. Here was one who was wise and good – the world and especially the socialist world was fortunate indeed to have his daily guidance.”
    – Robeson re Stalin, during the Terror

    “The use of the word ‘Famine’ in connection with the North Caucasus is a sheer absurdity. There a bumper crop is being harvested as fast as tractors, horses, oxen, men, women, and children can work … There are plump babies in the nurseries or gardens of the collectives …”
    – Walter Duranty re the Famine

    “Each concentration camp forms a sort of ‘commune’ where everyone lives comparatively free, not imprisoned … They are fed and housed gratis and receive pay for their work … They are certainly not convicts in the American sense of the word.”
    – Duranty re the Gulag

    Stalin “gives the impression of a strong mind which is composed and wise. His brown eyes are exceedingly kind and gentle. A child would like to sit in his lap and a dog would sidle up to him …”
    – Ambassador Joseph Davies on Joseph Stalin

    “You believe in vain in the all-world revolution … You disperse not revolution,but fascism with great success throughout the world … Fascism did not exist before your revolution … You are terror and violence …”
    – Ivan Pavlov, age 85, allowed to die a natural death in 1936.

    And liberal fascism’s body count? Maybe 25,000,000. Maybe 30,000,000 … including American POWs and MIAs from WWII and Korea … a statistic and a tragedy.

  26. 32

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    Trust a Reporter–
    Thanks for that.
    These KLOWNS are incapable of reconciling the Historical Record and putting what we do today to get info into any sort of appropriate perspective.
    They praise Hamas (Hamas is the Palestinian Government!!!!).
    I wonder how they would react if Hamas started shooting rockets into the FreeMount District??

    They would be flappin’ their teeny-limp wrists like a bunch of hummingbirds.
    What if that were happening and Obama told them to relax….he was planning on talking to Hamas. Would that make them feel better as shrapnel was penetrating their sorry asses??

    Me thinks not.

  27. 33

    Trust a Reporter spews:

    To be clear: In 1945 American POWs and MIAs from WWII German prison camps were liberated into the Gulag. American’s taken prisoner during Acheson’s inadvertant war in Korea were marched north, into the Gulag, or were transported to the killing fields in prison hulks built or retrofitted in Seattle.

    The c. 25 million stat is only for Stalin’s part of the progressive enterprise. Does not include the re-educated millions of SE Asia, or Pol Pot, or Kim Il Sung, or Castro, or Ortega’s genocide against the Moskito Indians, etc.

  28. 34

    Trust a Reporter spews:

    Mr. C: During the Reagan 80s, American reporters were very loud about the ‘disappeared’ of pro-USA South American regimes. But were reporters concerned about reports, even into the Gorby era, that Americans were being ‘disappeared’ into the Soviet correctional system? Not so much.

    Tim T notes that in the 1930s and 1940s, our Embassy staff in Moscow tended to dismiss or discount reports of the Depression-era disappeared, because those Americans consciously chose to Bolshevize themselves, although few chose to give up their US citizenship. Their passports were simply stolen from them by NKVD so spies could be easily emplanted in, oh, the New Deal.

    But those expats had kids who were just along for Dad’s ride. Those kids soon became Gulag fodder.

    And, through the Ike administration, no American govt agency or diplomatic arm reciprocated Stalin’s insistence that prisoners be repatriated: Stalin got back all Soviet prisoners from Europe so he could reimprison them. From FDR on, Americans did not demand the repatriation of American POW/MIAs sent to Stalin’s killing fields.

  29. 35

    YLB spews:

    HNMT @ 31

    Well maybe you can take some comfort that the Soviet Union lost more people in WWII than any other country. Quite a few true believing commies bought the farm defending the motherland from Nazi agression.

    Look at the Spanish civil war as well. A few orgasms await sifting through the dead bones of American radicals who put their lives on the line in a doomed struggle for Spanish Democracy.

  30. 36

    YLB spews:

    LMAO @ the HNMT!

    “Liberal Fascism” is yet another discredited fantasy fashioned by discredited hacks like Jonah Goldberg to which shallow sycophants (like the HNMT) are only too happy to cling.

    Real fascism is unfortunately still alive if a bit under the weather right now:

    http://www.republicanoffenders.com

    As long as cash flows and piles up into the hands of those completely in thrall to an insatiable lust of accumulating more and ever more of it, real fascism will unfortunately continue to be with us.

  31. 37

    Trust a Reporter spews:

    That was all long ago and far away, right? Except that Seattle reporters go into periodic paroxysms about that distant era, but with a limp-wristed twist:

    About a year ago Seattle’s “news”papers dug deep into the soaring stories of brave American freedom fighters who fought for Stalin in Spain, c. 1936. Ten years ago the Dub Daily orgasmed all over itself about the grand old Lincoln Brigade vets who fought the grand commie fight against fascists in Spain.

    And our trustful reporters are obsessed with the horror, the horror, of a few UW profs who had to endure McCarthy’s loyalty oaths (Truman’s oaths, actually) in the early 1950s. What harrowing crises of conscience those brave, lonely truth seekers faced when McCarthy’s terror roamed the land. (Amazing that we’re into our 3rd or 4th generation of libs that identify the evil of that era with Joe McCarthy and not with Joe Stalin, but oh well …)

    So you’d think our trusty reporters and reporterettes would have passing interest in the fates of real Seattle Americans who disappeared into Stalin’s socialist utopia.

  32. 38

    Trust a Reporter spews:

    Actually, YLB, you LSOS, if you’d learned to read you would have read, above, that liberal fascism wasn’t enunciated first by Jonah Goldberg. It was Ivan Pavlov. Heard of him, you dog?

  33. 39

    YLB spews:

    Ortega’s genocide against the Moskito Indians

    Here we go again.. Nothing to back up this fantasy except ravings in right wing rags penned by the likes of Horowitz.

  34. 40

    Trust a Reporter spews:

    Thanks for the history lesson, YLB, you FIFS. I, too, watched Enemy at the Gates, so I’m down with the historic struggle of the Motherland against the other fascism, the national kind. Stalin’s fascist socialism, by definition, was international.

    What the excellent Enemy film didn’t tell you was that all those brave defenders at Stalingrad had no choice but to stand, crawl, and die. They were facing Hitler coming from the front, but they also had the NKVD pointing guns at their backs, making sure that nobody got the goofy idea that it might be better to surrender or to run away. Stalin knew how to motivate his populace for the supreme effort.

  35. 41

    Trust a Reporter spews:

    Actually, YLB, you MFSOB, I didn’t cite DH for the Moskito genocide. Learn to read, go back to the archives of the here-we-go-again discussion, and correct your error.

    Correcting your errors will keep you so busy you won’t have time to further contaminate HA or to pollute the gene pool.

  36. 43

    YLB spews:

    HNMT you’re howling against the wind like the commies of old. You were a commie once were you?

    The old radicals cry that real communism was never tried.

    Well conservatism has been tried since the storied days of Ronnie Raygun and..

    and it’s been found a bit wanting.. See Nov 4. See the collapsing economy around us. Can you see it?

    Of course you’re saying now Bush was never a conservative and apparently neither were the Congresses of 2002-2006..
    and that’s why your lot threw in with McSame.

    And you wonder why people don’t care much for your ilk these days?

  37. 45

    YLB spews:

    or to pollute the gene pool.

    Hey Stupes, if you’re still around, maybe you can lecture the HNMT about “eugenics”.

    It’s never ending laughs from you kooks.

  38. 46

    Trust a Reporter spews:

    Reagan salvaged the ruins of Carter’s America and gave us 25 very good years. Were you sleeping through them? Spacing them out?

    25 years is damn near forever in the real world. 25 good years is damn near unprecedented.

    And if FDR falsely claimed to have saved capitalism, Reagan could truthfully have claimed to have saved big government. He showed, after failed administrations back to JFK, that govt could mostly work and could mostly work well.

    Ponder the irony, and gave Ronbo credit for a job done well.

  39. 47

    YLB spews:

    reading is fundamental.

    I prefer avoiding right wing bullshit, bullshit of all kinds actually. You know why?

    Because I’ve read it.

    Fool me once, shh…ame on.. you…, foool ..mee

    We won’t get fooled again!!!

  40. 48

    Trust a Reporter spews:

    Eugenics? Here we go again. Eugenics, next to Prohibition, was the very crown on the pointy head of American progressivism.

    You wanna talk about Holmes’s opinion in re Buck? Wanna talk about Woodrow’s racism and Sanger’s genocidal racism?

    Bring it on, diptard.

  41. 50

    Puddybud spews:

    yelling loser boy…

    Only on leftist pinhead sites was Jonah Goldberg’s book “discredited”. Shit, they had nuthin constructive to say about it because it was a 44 Magnum shot between their little beady eyes.

    You see yelling loser boy, Pol Pot, Hugo Chavez, Stalin, Mao Tse Tung, Lenin, Castro, Whackminojab, Arafat etc. are your fellow travelers. All your libtard friends are fellow Castro and Chavez lovers. You love Sean Penn, Oliver Stoned, and Danny Glover.

    Nuff SAID.

    LMAO

  42. 51

    Pete Townsend & the Pervs spews:

    So, Baba O’Riley, did you, like, check out Enemy at the Gates? Ed Harris as a Nazi major? Bob Hoskins as Nikita Khrushchev?

  43. 52

    Puddybud spews:

    yelling loser boy…

    I don’t take direction from a libtard masochist such as yourself…

  44. 53

    YLB spews:

    And if FDR falsely claimed to have saved capitalism, Reagan could truthfully have claimed to have saved big government.

    Hmmmm. Coolidge, Hoover and their fellow traveller’s policies resulted in a 25 percent hit to GDP between 1929 and FDR’s inauguration.

    America was back to 1929’s GDP at end of FDR’s first term.

    Yes, FDR did make a mistake as Krugman has pointed out – trying to go conservative and balancing the budget too soon in his second term.

    This was not corrected until America embarked on its biggest public works project of all – WWII.

  45. 54

    Pete Townsend & the Pervs spews:

    Damn, Pud, how did I leave Mao off my list? Especially since we’re embarking on Glorious Proletarian Cultural Revolution 2.0?

    Mao gets the gold medal for most corpses in a contiguous country. And I’m still not totally cool with FDR slamming us into an alliance with the planet’s #2 psychokiller in an effort to destroy #3. I get FDR’s devious intent to keep the killing over there instead of over here, but I often think Truman and Pat Buchanan were right: we shouldda stood back and let Germany and Russia bleed each other into oblivion.

  46. 55

    YLB spews:

    Eugenics, next to Prohibition, was the very crown on the pointy head of American progressivism.

    And you appear to advocate it with your “polluting the gene pool remarks.

    No one I would respect would advocate anything like that.

    Like I told Stupes a while back, throw away your computer and most any other electronic device for that matter.

    The guy who made that all possible was a eugenicist. Occasionally clever people go off on wrong-headed tangents.

  47. 56

    Pete Townsend & the Pervs spews:

    ” … its biggest public works project of all – WWII.” You remind me of me. I’ve used those very words.

    I’m very sure you’re very wrong about GNP/GDP rising to early 1929 levels by early 1937. Am very sure that GNP didn’t make the great leap forward until about 1945. The Dow didn’t get back to early 1929 levels until about 1954.

    And did you read, from my contra-Krugman letter, that FDR’s first year cut Hoover’s profligate spending by 31 percent?

    That unemployment never dropped below 15% during the eight years of the New Deal?

    That the only strong and substantive economic gains during the New Deal happened when the New Deal was (mostly) invalidated by the Supreme Court?

    That FDR braintrusters Tugwell and Moley affirmed that the New Deal was warmed-over Hoover?

    And, to be fair and balanced, while Alan Brinkley pronounces the New Deal a failure, he gives it credit for quickly rebuilding the credit/banking structure, a task that utterly defeated Hoover by March 1933.

    etc.

  48. 58

    Puddybud spews:

    The problem with yelling loser boy is he has no real concept of history.

    Real people with a real mind know that about 100 years ago the progressive movement was caught up in all sorts of perverse, worthless, stupid, psuedo Darwinian, white man is superior, historical crap. For yelling loser boy to admit to this would explode that single celled brain. Some of these people in the beginning supported Hitler. Liberal progressives in the 30’s idolized him.

    Puddy delivered link after link about this and yelling loser boy used his warm sticky kool-aid sites as always.

    Today Liberal progressives support sex selective abortion, testing for Down Syndrome, PGD (preimplantation genetic diagnosis). yelling loser boy could learn much from Leon Kass and Francis Fukuyama

    yelling loser boy why did Hitler hate communists? Because they were beating him at his own worthless game of people extinction. Stalin anyone?

  49. 59

    Pete Townsend & the Pervs spews:

    No, no, YLB, you SACSMFTGPOS, I’m the opposite of a progressive eugenicist. Although there’s a whole bunch of feebs on HA who should be clipped and snipped, I do not advocate a big-government final solution.

    Progressives wanted to use the monopoly of coercive government force to enforce the snipping of the feeble minded. That’s what the Buck decision was all about. I want only to keep one feeble progressive, you, so busy with deconstructing your errors that you won’t have time to precreate and to pollute the pool.

    Have a nice day.

  50. 60

    Pete Townsend & the Pervs spews:

    Hitler got props here for ‘solving’ his Depression over there by about 1935. Churchill said that AH solved his economic armageddon years before England and America even understood the problem.

    Rather than our progressives swooning for Hitler re racial supremacy, the flattery went the other way. American progressives showed Hitler the way to go in defining and resolving his race problem. Progressives here showed that Darwin/Galton could be conjoined with Henry Ford and expansionist government to clear away useless eaters and the lower classes.

    No crematoria here (although Stalin had them!), but we wrote the broad-outline blueprint of the final solution. As Mr. Justice Holmes, progressive civil libertarian wrote, three generations of the feeble-minded are enough.

  51. 61

    Puddybud spews:

    @59: He claims to have a boy and girl chilluns. His wife is a proud card carrying SEIU member. He had nothing to say about the SEIU breaking laws

  52. 62

    YLB spews:

    I’m very sure you’re very wrong about GNP/GDP rising to early 1929 levels by early 1937.

    Nope you’re wrong. Here’s the figures that you can confirm by looking at any econ stat site.

    1929 $865.2 Billion
    1930 790.7
    1931 739.9
    1932 643.7
    1933 635.5
    1934 704.2
    1935 766.9
    1936 866.6* In 1936, real (inflation adjusted) GDP surpassed that of 1929!
    1937 911.1
    1938 879.7
    1939 950.7

    Read ‘em and weep. The fallout of laissez faire dogma. I’m hoping we won’t do a repeat but given the hole your Dear Leader and his enablers have dug.. Well I wouldn’t wish this even on the likes of you.

  53. 64

    YLB the Brainiac spews:

    Well, now, that’s more like it. Something other than hot air to hold on to.

    If you and your numbers are right, I’ll publicly snivel and grovel.

    (But please cite a source.)

  54. 65

    YLB spews:

    Although there’s a whole bunch of feebs on HA who should be clipped and snipped, I do not advocate a big-government final solution.

    Yes I’m sure you’d advocate a “free market” solution.

    Let’s see. Right wing employer googles the employee, ooopss not “conservative” – no job unless “clipped and snipped”..

    Does this sound right?

    What say you Stupes?

  55. 66

    YLB the Brainiac spews:

    Since it was a deflationary period, your numbers — if for real — would actually be slightly stronger support for your assertion. But I wanna do my own checkin’.

  56. 68

    Snivel & Grovel, Attorneys at Law spews:

    Shit. I do hate to be wrong.

    The country’s real gross domestic product fell from $865 billion in 1929 to $635 billion in 1933 but rebounded to $1 trillion by 1940.

    The only hiccup was a decline from $911 billion in 1937 to $879 billion in 1938. But the percentage of jobless Americans remained in the double digits until the onset of World War II.

    US Nooze isn’t primo, but, hell ….. YLB wins one. First time ever.

  57. 72

    Puddybud spews:

    Back to reporting…

    In the Reagan Years Reagan warned of Europe being dependent on Russia for energy supplies. The press ridiculed him.

    Stratfor reported on it.

    Now we see Russia is doing what Reagan warned about.

    Once again the libtards are libtards!

  58. 73

    Puddybud spews:

    @65: Nope it sounds like sumtin Leon Panetta would do at CIA with dem big supercomputers creating dossiers on conservative thinkers…

    Kind of like what Hillary had with those 900 FBI files…

  59. 75

    Snivel & Grovel, Attorneys at Law spews:

    Yep. Czar Putin puts Georgia in its place, cuts the pipeline to Ukraine, and sends a message to old Europe.

    Have decided to take back my snivel and grovel because, to my mild-mannered but slightly off-target provocation, YLB’s response was viciously disproportionate. He must be a Crusader Zionist.

  60. 77

    Steve spews:

    Mao? Whatever. I can see why you guys would want to avoid talking about the state of today’s Republican party. I can also see how you would particularly want to avoid discussing the damage brought to us by Republican ‘rule’. I guess you guys never quite caught on that all this whining about commie-fascists was just another nail in the Republican coffin. Continue your whine. After all, we’re probably the only people on earth still willing to read your drivel. The majority of the American people have certainly tuned you out, and for damned good reason. Commie-fascists. Good grief.

  61. 78

    Sludge Report spews:

    Meanwhile, back to reportage … Drudge Report reports this: “Mishap leaves skier dangling pantsless from Vail chairlift…” Dangling indeed! Picture proves it! More at 11!

    Remedial Math 101: The heat of the meat is inversely proportional to the angle of the dangle as long as the mass of the ass remains constant.

  62. 79

    YLB spews:

    The media is a live or die topic for right wingers. In the face of their ugly failures they desperately have to deflect the blame from themselves at any cost.

    So it’s always the “librul media”, the same media who cheerleaded Prince George to his debacle of a war, whose beltway players will cheerlead Mitch McConnell and his ugly crew after the Prince is gone.

    The wingers blame the media when on the way up and they surely blame them when they’re down. Anything to take the spotlight off their disastrous ideas.

  63. 80

    Puddybud spews:

    I wonder if someone can repeal the Nobel Peace Prize given to Jimmy Cahhhhhrter? Ever since he was awarded the “peace” prize…

    1) Anwar Sadat was assassinated
    2) The Iranian hostages finally came home
    3) Operation Eagle Claw (or Operation Evening Light) depending on your frame of reference failed miserably
    4) Hezbollah running rampant
    5) Hamas running rampant
    6) Fatah running rampant
    7) Iran is sowing seeds of dissent
    8) Over 6464 rockets with yelling loser boy’s face painted on them have rained down into Israel.
    9) Rachel Corrie stupidly stood in front of a dozer and was dozed.

  64. 81

    YLB spews:

    creating dossiers on conservative thinkers…

    Thinkers? Stinkers…

    Blinded by the light from your tinfoil hat there Stupes. New administration hasn’t even been sworn in.

    I’ll believe it when Obama and the Congress do nothing to restore American citizen’s rights after the hit they took during your chimp’s reign.

  65. 82

    Puddybud spews:

    Pete@54: Notice how HAs clueless idiot runs from any argument he can’t win?

    He didn’t know who Ivan Petrovich Pavlov was. Yet he is Pavlov’s doggie when it cums to Daily Kurse and Media Morons. He salivates each morning waiting to get on those sites for his daily goosestepping jackbooted marching orders

    What a history moron!

  66. 83

    rhp6033 spews:

    Puddy’s still touting Goldberg, claiming he’s never been discredited except by leftist blog sites? Do I REALLY have to explain it again????

    Those of us who have studied the history of the Nazis in any detail know that the Nazis didn’t have a coherent ideology. They just knew who/what they liked (people like them), and who they didn’t like (everybody else), and then tried to cobble together a justification for these prejudices. Along the way they decided that walks in the woods were good, exercise was good, and women staying home to bear lots of children was good. They also threw in just about anything which might appeal to somebody, so people could find SOMETHING they liked about the party, even if it was internally inconsistent with their other likes/dislikes.

    Goldberg did just that – he picked and chose the items which he argued proved his theory that Democrats/Environmentalists were like Nazis, and ignored the rest. It’s hardly scholarhip on any level – my old Political Theory professor would have flunked him if he had submitted this as a paper in class.

    AS for other’s comments about Hitler and the German economy in the 1930’s, Hitler didn’t save Germany from the affects of the depression, or the problems of the Weimar Republic. They famed “hyper-inflation” had been turned around long before Hitler became chancelor, the reperations payments to the victors of WWII had been suspended, then eventually cancelled entirely right before Hitler became chancelor. In effect, Hitler stepped in just in time to take credit for the hard work of his predecessors.

    He did, however, take some steps which guaranteed continued growth, at considerable cost. He embarked on a re-armament program which was a bit of a ponzi scheme – it paid off as long as country’s military adventures continued to seize assets of other nations for German use. Once those seizures were stopped (by the Red Army, primarily), the scheme starts to collapse. Also, he pushed women out of the workplace, and the Nazis enacted laws forbidden workers from striking, changing jobs or quiting their existing jobs, thereby keeping wages from rising even in an inflationary environment.

    So don’t give Hitler credit for an “economic miracle”. Roosevelt and Churchill managed to turn their countries around also, but they did so without sacrificing democratic government, without imprisoning millions, without taking away worker’s basic rights to quit or change jobs, without engaging in a scheme of world conquest.

  67. 85

    Puddybud spews:

    rhp6033: This stuff is all over the Internet. You can Live Search or Google it yourself. I already told you Ambassador Joe Kennedy thought that we could coexist with Hitler. Joe Kennedy wrote some outrageous things.

    You do know how to search right?

  68. 87

    Steve spews:

    @84 Sigh! Speaking of states of denial and things Pavlovian…

    Does your new friend know that you fuck goats?

  69. 88

    rhp6033 spews:

    Henry Ford was an admirer of Hitler, too. So was the heir apparant to the British thrown, until he was forced to abdicate his inheritance so he could marry a divorced American woman. And the great American hero Charles Lindberg met with Hitler and received an award for him, and later became a leading proponant of isolationism.

    Lots of people liked Hitler when they didn’t know very much about him. Most of them changed their opinions over time, the more they learned.

  70. 90

    Puddybud spews:

    rhp6033: So you are admitting progressives of the early 1900s were Hitler lovers.

    Thanks for your support.

    yelling loser boy can’t even admit that. That’s why he’s Factless in Seattle.

  71. 91

    Puddybud spews:

    Wow, I bet this guy was a liberal…

    “His arrest drew national attention when photographs of him wearing slinky dresses and fishnet stockings were widely published. His wife had said in earlier affidavits that he stole her birth control pills in an effort to enlarge his breasts.”

    Looks like Steve had competition.

  72. 92

    Steve spews:

    @89 As he might not caught on yet, I thought it a good thing to clue him in on what kind of person you are. For example, these Republican pervs are Puddy’s special heroes.

    http://www.republicanoffenders.com/Pedophiles.html

    See what I mean about Pudz? He’s definitely not the kind of person a normal type of guy would want to hang with.

  73. 93

    YLB spews:

    And the great American hero Charles Lindberg met with Hitler and received an award for him, and later became a leading proponant of isolationism.

    A white bread Murkan hero Stupes. If he were alive today, he’d be all for Ronnie Raygun and George Dubya PoisonOak.

  74. 95

    YLB spews:

    Stupes @ 86

    Nixon didn’t care for Jews much either. What’s your point?

    Don’t answer that. I could care less.

  75. 96

    My Left Foot spews:

    cyniclown is asking questions about the cost. Puddy is hitting on the guy who asked about Palin’s trip to Iraq by stating: Let the citizen of Alaska question Palin.

    Um, Pudwhacker. seems to me you should be telling cyniclown to shut his considerable ass. He is not a citizen of Washington State.

    (Full disclosure: Neither am I)

  76. 97

    Steve spews:

    @91 Well, if he fucks goats that’d surely make him a Republican. Strange stuff, if you ask me. So I’m just saying, if you’re gonna hang with Pudz, you’d better keep your eye on him.

  77. 98

    Puddybud, Hey it's the New Year... spews:

    Carl@96: Happy New Year my friend.

    I hope they find a cure or something good for your ticker. Howz da family?

    Regarding me telling Cynical something. Look Carl, Cynical is my elder and most times he’s spot on with his comments. Now and then he falters. Okay? I told him my opinion. This is a free country and I ain’t implementing a Fairness Doctrine

  78. 99

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    Carl–
    Tell me yourself you heartless bastard!
    I pay over $25k in Property Taxes in Washington so I figure I have a say…for whatever it’s worth, which is about as much as your rantings.

  79. 100

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    Besides Carl, all I asked for was Full Disclosure.
    How much and what did she do and who paid for it..
    Seems like a legit question.
    Public Records Requests will get it.

  80. 101

    manoftruth spews:

    @18
    Cynical;

    Did you ask the same questions about Gov. Palin’s trip to Iraq during her Vice-Presidential campaign, ostensibly to visit Alaskan national guard troops? That was certainly more of an obviously partison-benefit photo op than is Gregoire’s trip.

    I thought not.

    i dont know if he did or didnt, but another double standard about palin appeared in the news today. i dont remember who, but when i suggested in another post that the murder of anne pressley by two black men was supressed just before the election so as not to hurt obama, i was attacked by people saying did i really think that could happen. lol lol lol..so what happens today? the msm accuses investigators of supressing the arrest of sarah palins daughters mother in law. oh i get it, it can be supressed for palin but not for obama. but i suppose somehow im wrong.

  81. 102

    manoftruth spews:

    @95
    Stupes @ 86

    Nixon didn’t care for Jews much either. What’s your point?

    thats exactly why nixon is still targeted even though clinton has done way worse things, to this day they still make movies about him, (bad ones no less)….lesson to all politicians, dont say anything about the jews and the media, which is what he did
    .

  82. 103

    correctnotright spews:

    @102: woman of idiocy:

    Lets’ see:

    thats exactly why nixon is still targeted even though clinton has done way worse things

    ,

    So according to a resident troll idiot (womanoffalsehood) Nixon is targeted because he did not care much for the Jews?

    Gee – I thought that being the only President to resign in disgrace in the history of the USA would be enough. I thought that authorizing spying and illegal break-ins of domestic “enemies” and acting like a small town hoodlum would be enough to disgrace Nixon.

    Guess I had it wrong – it was his swearing and anti-semitism that is reason most historians ridicule him…

    Lesson to racist fool above – the more you write the stupider you seem. Keep up the good work – you make your point of view look small, foolish and racist. You taint whatever wing of the republican party you belong to and you clearly have no clue about much of anything.

  83. 104

    manoftruth spews:

    @103
    you make me laugh. if nixon was targeted soley for his actions, then how come clinton was not for

    the death of vince foster
    the death of ron brown
    selling classified satelite technology to the chinese
    killing 90 people at waco
    lying to the american people right to their face
    whitewater
    webster hubbell
    jim mcdougal (also mysterious death)
    jaunita broderick

    well, lets see…his two supreme court appts
    ta da…ginsburg and bryer….his get out of jail free pass
    one thing i give clinton credit for, he was smart enough to know how to play the game

  84. 105

    Puddybud, Hey it's the New Year... spews:

    nevercorrectnottobright:

    The Loral technology sale by Bernie Schwartz will haunt us forever. The Chicoms can now pinpoint target all the libtard west coast cities. Just think… they can now lob a volkswagen into your kids bedroom due to Clinton’s foolheadedness.

    “I have it on very good authority that Mr. Schwartz is prepared to do anything he can for the administration,” Harold Ickes wrote in a memo given to congressional investigators.

    I bet you all didn’t know Commerce Secretary Ron Brown set up a meeting between Bernie Schwartz and a top Chinese telecommunications official. I wondered why Ron had that bullet hole in his head… http://whatreallyhappened.com/.....ullet.html or http://www.rense.com/politics6/bullet.htm

    The $600,000 that Schwartz gave various Democratic fund-raising committees in 1995 and 1996 made him one of the party’s biggest contributors. Wait a minute AlGorebasm told us about no controlling authority… Yep no one was in control or in authority there then…

  85. 106

    Steve spews:

    I gotta say, Pudz, with manoftruth you’re keeping some really strange company. OK, we already know that you’ll never denounce Cynical and Troll’s racism towards blacks. And we most certainly know that you approve of Republican pedophilia. How about Jew hate? You good with that too?

  86. 107

    manoftruth spews:

    @106
    jew hate? is that the same as mormon hate, when thats all they talked about when romney ran. it was time or newsweek that ran a cover story about romney. cant remeber the exact words on the cover but it was something alonhg the lines of would we trust a mormon as president!!!!! oh fuckng really? ya think time would run a cover with lieberman saying yo think we can trust a jew as president? so realy, is it jew hate or mormon hate?

  87. 108

    Steve spews:

    Oh, I’m sure its not an either/or question for you, my Dear Friend of Pudz. I bet you hate Mormons too.

  88. 109

    Michael spews:

    @104

    That post is so unhinged, I don’t know where to start.

    But, I would like to thank you for posting it. Posts like yours help people see who the far right really are, the kind of crap they believe in and it helps motivate folks that lean to the right to run as fast as possible to the center.

    Keep up the good work!

  89. 110

    Steve spews:

    And I was going to say, manoftruth, the Caps key is on the left side of the keyboard. Give it a try sometime. It’s not that difficult to do. And as you can see, even the incredibly stupid Pudz can do it. I’m sure it’d be easier for you than him. You see, um, Pudz has issues. You know what I mean?

  90. 111

    manoftruth spews:

    @109,
    yeah, ok..lets take just one then ok, the death of vince foster. even putting aside the fact that his office was searched by nissbaum, williams and others before the police or fbi arrived, and first there was no suicide note and then there was after nobody saw it in his briefcase. even forgetting all of that, here’s what clinton would have us believe……..
    a guy who is smart, works hard, and makes it all the way to the whitehouse, cannot ,as he said in his “suicide” note, believe how cutthroat people are in washington, decides, instead of just quitting, to make his wife a widow and his children orphans……….CAUSE HE THINKS WASHINGTON IS CUTTHROAT!!!!.. you really fucking believe that? if you do, you’re unhinged..

  91. 112

    manoftruth spews:

    yeah, i so unhinged that i notice that anderson cooper is saying that israel is not allowing reporters into gaza. oh,do you think you’ll see the outrage that we saw when the us army restricted access>>>>>>>>>>>>>doubt it!

  92. 113

    Puddybud, Hey it's the New Year... spews:

    Steve, while manoftruth can be somewhat tough in his comments, it’s a free country.

  93. 114

    Puddybud, Hey it's the New Year... spews:

    Steve, I like Mormons. It’s you who hates them. Why would you bring them up unless you had some “prejudices”?

  94. 115

    Puddybud, Hey it's the New Year... spews:

    Michael, everything manoftruth mentioned in #104 happened. Or maybe in MichaelWorld it didn’t?

    I saw you recently posted you aren’t a liberal… or was that another Michael? Well that comment @109 proves otherwise.

  95. 116

    Puddybud spews:

    Steve, no comment on the truths of post #105? When that Chinese ICBM comes calling from the stratosphere, thank Bill Clinton and Bernie Schwartz. Don’t stay around to see the yelling loser boy image painted next to the Chinese national symbol.

  96. 117

    correctnotright spews:

    @115: womanoffalsehood is off his rocker.

    According to Puddy, everything “happened”. Yup – vince foster died – so what, it was a suicide? Whitewater was investigated – no charges, so what.

    You have to go back 10 years to old scandals where nothing was proved to show that Clinton was “worse” than Nixon?

    What freekin’ idiots! Nixon resigned in disgrace. Clinton went out with a much higher approval rating that the idiot Bush will and the crook Nixon. Clinton did much better with the economy – Bush is on the level of Hoover.

    Bush has been an international embarassment, created the largest budget deficit in history while at the same time causing the worst economy since the great depression. Hard to think of a worse combination of incompetence.

    Oh, and tell Seattle Jew that his buddy Puddy just loves the Jew hating conspiracy nut above.

    Nice company you keep Puddy.

  97. 118

    Steve spews:

    Actually Pud, I was originally baptised Lutheran as a kid. In 1972 I was baptised into the LDS church but I’m no longer active. 4th Ward, located in south Seattle. There’s a great little non-denominational church in my little town of Union where friends attend services and I just might have a go at it myself. Small town America. Oh, that’s right, you can’t relate. The family on my Mom’s side of the family were from Beaver(!), Utah, although they were all Jack Mormons. Oh, you don’t know what that means, do you? So, yeah, go on believing that I’m a Mormon hater, Pudz. I understand, what with you creating your own reality and all.

  98. 119

    Steve spews:

    @113 Jew hate is OK because it’s a free country? Sure. But I have to ask, is that the same excuse you use for Republican pedophilia, that it’s a free country?

  99. 120

    manoftruth spews:

    @117, correcttoright, tell me what a jew hater is. is it a person who notices that all of the fed resevere, sec of treasury, most of the ceo’s on wall street are jewish? becuase if that ‘s your standard, then it’s white male hatred to notice and ask for any type of affirmative acton, right? theres a million examples….they want the nfl to interview black coaches, so someone notice most coaches are white, but if you notice most wall streeters are jewish thats bigotry. i’m having a hard time seeing the difference.

  100. 121

    Puddybud spews:

    Steve, you moron, you accused me of hating Mormons in post #108. You write shit and then forget you write shit. Wow, you and Glenn Beck have something in common with Scary Harry Land Deal Reid.

    Great job idiot. You are a credit to libruls all over this land.

    What people do in their own minds is their business. I wrote here many times what gays do in their home is their business. When they parade it all over this land then it becomes my business as I don’t want my children seeing that crap in public. But you can go and fuck your goats in public. Place it on youtube for all to see how you really are. God will judge you with what’s in your mind in the judgment. But since you are Godless it doesn’t matter to you.

    Keep up the great work fool.

  101. 122

    Puddybud spews:

    Robert KKK 3 Sheets Gland Klagon Byrd hates blacks but he’s still a Donkey senator. Why is that Steve?

  102. 123

    Puddybud spews:

    Douchebag@119: You can continue to ask that silly question until you die. I already answered it. Yet you’ve never refuted headless lucy’s HA racism.

    Why is that Steve?
    You think Rochester jokes are funny?
    You employ house niggers?
    You employ field niggers in your goat farm?
    I’ve never seen the refutation Steve.

    Yet you are like re-run, posting the same crap day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day.

  103. 124

    Puddybud spews:

    nevercorrectnotbright: Where on this blog have I said I supported Nixon? Tell me.

    URL

    Date and Time Stamp

    Words from my fingers

    Search fool!

  104. 125

    correctnotright spews:

    @120 Which is why you don’t even realize what a idiot you are. Have you also noticed that a lot of the regulators are Jewish too? Have you noticed that your posts are pathetic? Have noticed what a one track simple minded person you are? Have you ever self reflected that your sad, one-sided view of the world is incredibly warped?

    @124: I was directing the comment to someone else about Nixon – they compared Nixon and clinton and claimed Nixon was “better”.

    That comment was not directed to you, Puddy. I don’t claim that you admire Nixon – in fact, I can’t even remember you posting much about Nixon.

  105. 126

    Steve spews:

    Who pushed your button? Oh, was it me?

    I haven’t ever seen a racist post by Lucy. But then, I’ve only visited HA since last April and I don’t read every post. So who knows? Anything’s possible. But post a link or shut your trap. You lie and distort too much to take your word on anything. If you can back up what you say about Lucy, I’ll gladly condemn him, her or whatever. You see, Pudz, unlike you, I refuse to run with anybody who hates people for the color of their skin. While you’re digging up links, post one that shows you condemning Limbaugh, Thurmond, Lott, or any Republican pedo or perv. I’ll wait and see what you come up with.

  106. 127

    Puddybud spews:

    Steve, I lie or distort? Try this

    Even Darryl came out against it. I reposted it while you’ve been here Steve. September 9-15, 2005. I’ve made recent references to it Steve.

    Pay attention.

    You can search can’t you?

  107. 128

    Puddybud spews:

    Steve, I already posted my response to the perv link twice. Search it for yourself. I already commented on Thurmond. I posted here I personally know his grandaughter and his three great-granddaughters. His granddaughter is a personal friend of the family. His great-grands and my kids grew up together fool. I know more about the issue than you’ll ever know. I can call her up and say hello anytime from anywhere in the world.

  108. 129

    Puddybud spews:

    Why do I need to condemn Limbaugh over Barack the Magic Negro. It was a black libtard fool who wrote it.

    Why don’t you condemn Joe Biden over his 7/11 and Indian ownership comment?

  109. 131

    Steve spews:

    And your the one who thinks I should recall every stupid post of yours. You stupid fuck, it was only this week I told you that I was baptised into the LDS church in 1972 and that my family on my Mom’s side are from Utah. I also said that I’m no longer active in the church. Do try to keep up, Pudz.

    Yeah, I remember your posts. You just couldn’t bring yourself to condemn the Republican party for becoming a magnet to our nation’s pedos and pervs. You couldn’t do that any more than you can condemn the party for being a magnet to America’s race haters. But you have another opportunity here, Pudz. Let’s hear what you’ve got to say for yourself. Have at it.

  110. 132

    Puddybud spews:

    Moron@131: Well smegma breath, you want me to comment on your re-run post every day. I already commented on it. If you missed it then that’s your tough luck. Maybe if you could create a correct search statement you could tell me how I answered you. And if you remember my posts then you’ll remember commenting on my answer.

    You made the verbal bet I hated Mormons. So I’ll ask back do you?

    Butt, being a butthead on HA keep asking. You’ll die still asking the same insipid dumb question.

  111. 133

    Steve spews:

    Sure, Pudz, I was baptised a Mormon because I hate them. You’re really something else, Pudz.

    Like I said, I recall your posts. You failed to condemn a damned thing. Prove me wrong. I can see why you don’t link to them yourself.

  112. 134

    Puddybud spews:

    Steve, you made the accusation. Then you claim I’m something else. I’m not playing your stupid game of trap Puddy. I’m Innocent until proven guilty. I don’t have to post anything. You claimed I never responded. I did. I don’t have to parrot my words to you.

    From your good friend and fellow perve traveler re-run,

    “I don’t take orders from the likes of you” goat lover…

    Butt, being a butthead on HA keep asking. You’ll die still asking the same insipid dumb question. So Steve why did you claim I hate Mormons?

  113. 135

    Steve spews:

    Still no links? OK, you’ve had your shot. You can continue this conversation by yourself. I’m going to the office. Later, fool.

  114. 136

    Puddybud spews:

    Steve,

    Butt, being a butthead on HA keep asking. You’ll die still asking the same insipid dumb question. So Steve why did you claim I hate Mormons?

  115. 137

    Steve spews:

    @136 You really are a complete idiot. Look again at post @108 you keep refering to in a failed attempt to avoid how cheaply you’ve sold your soul. You’ll see that I was addressing your dear friend, manoftruth, yet another racist with whom you refuse to distance yourself from. Your forthcoming apology for lying again will be accepted, as I’m a better man than you’ll ever be. By the by, Troll is a better man than you as well, as he readily condemns Republican pedos and pervs. He knows where they belong and it’s not in the Republican party.

    Oh, here’s a link you should check out. Some friends of yours are on there – people you admire greatly.

    http://www.republicanoffenders.com/Pedophiles.html

  116. 138

    Steve spews:

    I can’t help but notice that you haven’t apologised to me yet, Pudz. Aren’t you big enough to admit when you’re wrong? You accused me, a baptised Mormon, of being a Mormon hater. You then accused me of accusing you of being a Mormon hater in post 108 when I never did any such thing. You were obviously wrong on both counts. I still wait for your apology.

  117. 140

    Steve spews:

    @138 “apologised”

    Where’s Troll when I need his assistance? Note to self, learn how to spell.

  118. 141

    Steve spews:

    I’m starting to think that you’re not going to apologize to me, Pudz. Whatever did I do to deserve this slight?

  119. 143

    manoftruth spews:

    @125
    Which is why you don’t even realize what a idiot you are. Have you also noticed that a lot of the regulators are Jewish too

    LOL…..so what you are saying is that the vast majority of the criminal activity on wall street is committed by jews but that those who are supposed to be regulating them are also jewish? thats was my point!!LOL

  120. 144

    manoftruth spews:

    by the way, you didnt answer my question. if i look at the sidelines of an nfl game,and notice all the head coaches are white (hypothetically), and i say, hey they’re all white, we need diversity. explain to me how that is not bigoted, if when i look at the governors of the fed and they are all jewish, you call that bigoted.

  121. 145

    michael spews:

    @115

    If you have proof that Bill Clinton had Vince Foster and Ron Brown killed you should contact the FBI with it.

    Um… Where in post 109 did I say I was a liberal? As I’ve explained before, I’m most assuredly a member of the left. But, not all members of the left are liberals.

  122. 146

    michael spews:

    Btw. Even Ken Starr found Foster’s death to be a suicide.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....foster.htm

    Whitewater: The Foster Report

    This is the full text of the report on the 1993 death of White House counsel Vincent W. Foster, Jr., compiled by Whitewater independent counsel Kenneth Starr. After an exhaustive three-year investigation, Starr reaffirmed that Foster’s death was a suicide.

  123. 147

    michael spews:

    Man Of Truth, look out the window quick! I think there’s a black helicopter full of UN troops out to form a one world government circling your house.

  124. 148

    manoftruth spews:

    @145
    If you have proof that Bill Clinton had Vince Foster and Ron Brown killed you should contact the FBI with it.

    lol mike, is that the criteria? did you have proof that oj killed nicole? you’re not really saying that a common citizen needs proof in their hands to suspect something fishy going on are you? i’m saying that the story of vince fosters suicide doesnt pass the smell test. and the media is able to muster up the support for those type of things. for instance, when jaunita broderick accused clinton of rape, my local paper, the boston globe, ran the story on page 14. now here’s how that works. you wake up and make your coffe, your dog drops the morning paper in you lap and you look at the front page. the headline is catholic church to close main st school. yup, thats the important issue today, more kids looking for classrooms. you turn the pages, severe drought in medwest, unrest in northern ireland, brad pitt cheating on angelina. now you turn to page 14…rape charge filed against clinton. oh, the mind thinks, i guess this must be just politics ’cause if not, it woulda been on the front page. move along people, nothing to see here. thats how it works, and if the media had done its job regarding vince foster they would have ran with it everyday just like they ran with watergate, day after day after day.
    but we’ll never agree on this kind of stuff.

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    michael spews:

    And what I’m saying is that it was looked into by people who hated Clinton and were out to get him (like Ken Starr) and even they found Foster’s death to be a suicide. It’s kinda like even though there are still people that think the world is flat, we know it’s round.

    With Watergate there was PROOF that the break ins took place and in the end the burglars admitted to it.

    With the Broderick case neither side were able to conclusively prove their case and scanning back though the press articles shows that.

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    Jumbo spews:

    Ladies and gentelmen, you are off topic. This is about the fine govenor Gregoire’s trip to Iraq. I just wish someone would have told her that Fort Lewis is only a 20 minute drive from the state capitol. There, she would find thousands of our troops and family members that are in dire need of support and funds, IF only she would have announced she would decline the “invitation” but take the money that would be spent on the trip and use that money to do positive things for our troops, she would have changed my mind a little from thinking she is a complete moron.

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    manoftruth spews:

    @147
    Man Of Truth, look out the window quick! I think there’s a black helicopter full of UN troops out to form a one world government circling your house.

    by dismissing one world government as a joke, this is what you’re implying
    with the death of hitler, stalin, mao, that ends the 2000 year history of humans trying to subjugate others. most people on this site belieive that exact thing about bush/cheney, so why is it so hard to believe of others? thruout history there are people who live within the system, the mojority of people, but there are always a few who have an ambition for power and control. and its easy to see how that ambition can manifest. if you have for example moved your way up the corporate ladder, did you ever look back at a job you had ten years earlier, and think about how great you thought it was when you were first promoted, but after moving two two or three levels above it, it seems so boring now. well, people who are born into the super rich and powerful, where they dont really need money, what motivation do they have? planning for control and power. its not so hard to imagine.
    just take what you think about bush/cheney and apply it to a global level, even bush the elder said new world order.

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    michael spews:

    Some of our local militia folks in the 90’s claimed that the UN was massing troops in secrete camps inside North Cascade National Park and that they were running training missions using black helicopters. Those rumors proved to be false.

    The rumors that the militia folks were making pipe bombs and converting semi-auto’s to full-auto turned out to be true. Lots of convictions and long jail terms.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_helicopter

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    manoftruth spews:

    the other reason that we will never see eye to eye on bigotry is because you use the charge of bigotry to attack anyone who disagrees with your policies. for example, in massachusetts a person can get about $154 a month in food stamps. so a family of four can get over $600. now, if i am standing in line at a supermarket in a slightly urban area, a majority of people are paying in food stamps. if the people in front of me don’t speak english, my problem with that is we allow people to come into this country that are not able to be self sufficient and a drain on the economy, and i am quite sure if they’re getting food stamps, they’re getting quite a few other entitlements. i only care that they came here without the ability to support themselves, but you would say i’m bigoted. that is not a definition of bigotry, only your made up defintition to use against people who dont want to pay for the rest of the world. by the way, massachusetts has a budget crisis, like everyone else, but we hear about possible police and teacher layoffs, but you’ll never hear, why are we paying for people to come over here so they can live off the dole.