Pressure Bush to appoint James Lee Witt to head FEMA

Now that Mike Brown has resigned from FEMA, it is time to build public pressure on the Bush administration to appoint the one man with the knowledge and experience to fix the mess Brown left behind… former Clinton administration FEMA chief, James Lee Witt.

This is the only way to instantly restore faith in FEMA, both in the eyes of the American public and in those of FEMA’s own demoralized staff. Witt is the only man for the job, and if Bush cares more about public safety than about petty partisan politics, this would prove it.

Of course, we all sense that President Bush simply doesn’t believe in FEMA’s primary mission, and thus such an appointment — politically savvy as it might be — would be highly unlikely. Which is all the more reason to keep up the pressure, because it both helps expose the real world consequences of the Republican’s failed ideology, and shows that in additon to blistering criticism, we have concrete, positive proposals to address this crisis.

So that’s why I just sent the following email to the White House:

Dear President Bush,

As has been evidenced in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, experienced leadership is crucial to mounting an effective and timely federal response to man-made and natural disasters. That is why I urge you to immediately appoint James Lee Witt as the new director of FEMA.

Only Mr. Witt possesses the credibility, leadership and knowledge to rebuild FEMA… as he has once before. By appointing our nation’s most experienced and respected emergency manager to manage the federal response to national and regional emergencies, you can instantly restore faith in FEMA, both in the eyes of the American people, and in those of the agency’s own demoralized staff. And by reappointing a man who ably served under your predecessor, you will display exactly the kind of nonpartisan decision-making the public demands during times of crisis.

The nation needs Mr. Witt, and I urge a quick and decisive appointment.

Sincerely,

David Goldstein

Let’s keep the pressure up.

[Cross-posted at Daily Kos]

Comments

  1. 1

    prr spews:

    I can see the headlines tomorrow.

    “Bush brings on a left wing, half-wit, wacko as a consultant”

  2. 5

    NoWonder spews:

    I hope you guys keep spending time pounding on the irrelevant fringe of every last detail relating to GW’s administration. It will make the 2006 mid-terms and the 2008 battles much easier for the repubs. This almost sounds like a Karl Rove plot.

  3. 6

    IDGAF spews:

    Oh it’s so refreshing that a 2 bit Seattle lib with a web site that is home to a never ending parade of the northwest’s most idiotic, delussional and leading lunatics consider themselves actually qualified to make the determination as to who is the only one qualified to head FEMA. Then you suggest someone who in 6 hurricane responses didn’t move FEMA resources as fast as they were done for Katrina. Jeez Goldy I had no idea that you too were delussional. Here’s a hint for you in the future, when and if the progressives actually win an election, which even today is highly unlikely, then perhaps you’ll get your way

  4. 7

    prr spews:

    btw….

    Here is the new FEMA directors Bio.

    R. David Paulison was appointed by President George W. Bush and confirmed by the United States Senate as the Administrator for the U.S. Fire Administration in December 2001. As U.S. Fire Administrator, Mr. Paulison heads the U.S. Fire Administration, part of the Emergency Preparedness and Response Directorate/FEMA, supports State and local fire service programs, and oversee programs to reduce life and economic losses due to fire and related emergencies, in partnership with fire protection and emergency service communities.

    Mr. Paulison served as the Director of the Preparedness Division of the Emergency Preparedness and Response Directorate/FEMA, in the newly created Department of Homeland Security, from 2003-2004. During his tenure, Mr. Paulison administered a broad range of programs designed to strengthen State and community emergency preparedness in order to reduce loss of life and property due to disaster; administered first responder grant programs totaling more than $1 billion; and oversaw more than 350 employees. He was also responsible for training Federal, State, and local emergency managers and first responders, and for conducting a nationwide program of exercises.

    Before joining FEMA, Mr. Paulison, who has 30 years of fire/rescue services experience, was chief of the Miami-Dade Fire Rescue Department. In that position, he oversaw 1,900 personnel with a $200 million operating budget and a $70 million capital budget. He also oversaw the Dade County Emergency Management office.

    He began his career as a rescue firefighter and rose through the ranks of rescue lieutenant commander, district chief of operations, division chief, assistant chief and then deputy director for administration before becoming the Miami-Dade Fire Chief. He is a certified paramedic and, as fire chief, oversaw the Miami-Dade Urban Search and Rescue Task Force. His emergency management experience includes Hurricane Andrew and the crash of ValuJet Flight 592. He is also past president of the International Association of Fire Chiefs.

    A native of Miami, Florida, Mr. Paulison earned a bachelor of arts from Florida Atlantic University and completed the Program for Senior Executives in State and Local Government at Harvard University’s John F. Kennedy School of Government. In 2004, he received the Mason Lankford Fire Service Leadership Award from the Congressional Fire Service Institute. Additionally, he has received the LeRoy Collins Distinguished Alumni Award and has been inducted into the Miami-Dade Community College Hall of Fame. Mr. Paulison was selected as Fire Chief of the Year by his colleagues from the State of Florida in 1993 and holds positions in several professional associations.

  5. 9

    IDGAF spews:

    Finally! an administrator with real “field” experience and an outstanding track record as an administrator of a public safety agency with a world wide reputation for excellence. But rest assured, Goldy in his zeal to “break the big story” will no doubt dig up some unsubstantiated claims of DV from a psycho ex wife or girlfriend that nobody gives a damn about other than his little group of minions who rely upon him to get through their miserable daily lives.

  6. 10

    prr spews:

    On Goldy bring up the ex-wifes accusation, we then should the child molesting and/or child porn accusations brought against Goldy.

    After all, shouldn’t he be held to the same standards he preaches?

    Apparently, an accusations equals guilt in Goldyland.

  7. 11

    GBS spews:

    Bush has already picked Brown’s succesor. At least the new guy, David Paulison, has credentials in the area of emergency management.

    Brown is the prime example why the president, especially this president, should never get some “up or down” vote on anyone. The Senates role is to advise and give consent. There is a reason why our forefathers had separate but coequal branches of government. The disaster is the Gulf Coast region is why the president doesn’t always get to have the people he wants.

    Bring on the CJ SCOTUS fight!

  8. 13

    wes.in.wa spews:

    Oddly, it seems he had picked Paulison before he even knew Brown had resigned.

    Tin-foil hat time: One wonders whether Section 4 of the 25th amendment has been invoked and nobody told us … or told the President, either.

    “4. Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.

    “Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress, within twenty one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session, within twenty one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office.”

    There really isn’t anything in here that says they have to tell the President, or the Senate & House, or any of the rest of us …

  9. 14

    righton spews:

    gbs; why are you wasting time on this guy, when you could be borking Roberts…..we all know that’s the plan

  10. 15

    IDGAF spews:

    The CJ SCOTUS fight-Will be yet another in the long list of failures to advance the views of the angry, lunatic left. He will be confirmed faster than Clinton came on Monica’s dress

  11. 16

    Ed Schneiderman spews:

    “a web site that is home to a never ending parade of the northwest’s most idiotic, delussional and leading lunatics consider themselves actually qualified to make the determination as to who is the only one qualified to head FEMA”

    Aside from the grammatical error, you’ve described the right-wing trolls on this site to a T.

  12. 18

    IDGAF spews:

    And Ed you have just totally identified yourself of one of the most pathetic of all! But thank you for the grammer school lesson. I’ll bet your a “proud” WEA member from a failing school aren’t you?

  13. 19

    GBS spews:

    Remember the Doors song: “The End”?

    This is the end
    My only friend, the end

    Of our elaborate plans, the end
    Of everything that stands, the end

    Thanks, Jim Morrison, you were wise beyond your time. This is the end of the line for the Republican reign of terror over democracy.

  14. 20

    Nindid spews:

    I guess I may be a bit hard-hearted here, but should we really be praising Bush -or whoever is pulling the puppet strings today – for actually finding someone with *GASP* experience to do the job?

    The real question is why did Bush put all the lives of the people he was supposed to protect in the hands of such an incompetant man in the first place.

    The fact that there are – obviously – a number of men like Witt and Paulison out there only makes the Brown hire all the worse.

  15. 22

    GBS spews:

    @ 17

    I believe you meant to say “you’re a “proud” WEA member from a failing school aren’t you?” and not your.

    Oh, and by the way, since your such a stickler for details, it’s grammar not “grammer”

  16. 25

    righton spews:

    gbs; never knew who he was till a month ago, and never quoted him.

    Of course I also don’t care for the EMP or Jimi Hendrix’s house, or that park next to Cobain’s house.

    You guys should renounce drugs…

  17. 26

    Mark The Redneck spews:

    Hey Wabbit – Did you see what Harvey The Invisible Rabbit did today? Futures price for both oil and gasoline down again on reduced demand and increased supply. Both are down about 10% in past week. And you didn’t have to come out of your hutch or lift a paw. It’s a fucking miracle isn’t it???????

  18. 27

    righton spews:

    nice use of my tax dollars
    Lavish tastes of card-carrying lowlifes

    Profiteering ghouls have been using debit cards distributed in the wake of Hurricane Katrina – intended to buy essentials for evacuated families – in luxury-goods stores as far away as Atlanta.

    “We’ve seen three of the cards,” said a senior employee of the Louis Vuitton store at the Lenox Square Mall in affluent Buckhead, who asked not to be named. “Two I’m certain have purchased; one actually asked if she could use it in the store. This has been since Saturday.”

    The distinctive white cards were distributed by the Red Cross and the Federal Emergency Management Agency and carry a value of up to $2,000.

  19. 28

    dj spews:

    IDGAF @ 6

    “… a web site that is home to a never ending parade of the northwest’s most idiotic, delussional and leading lunatics….”

    Yes … you should thank Goldy for letting you and your trailer trash friends hang out on his property!

  20. 29

    dj spews:

    IDGAF @ 9

    other than his little group of minions who rely upon him to get through their miserable daily lives.

    Hmmmm … it seems that you are one of Goldy’s minions who cannot get through the day without your HorsesAss fix.

  21. 30

    horse whisperer spews:

    Remember the “stock up on the DUCK TAPE” warning a couple of years ago? It was just reported by Keith on Countdown that Mr. Paulison was the one responsible for the Duck Tape warning.

  22. 31

    JCH spews:

    25…..Righton……How many cartons of Marlboros, cases of Black Velvet, and family packs of K.F.C. does $2000 buy? In addition, many New Orleans blacks didn’t “gets their fair share” of Air Jordans from the looted FOOT LOCKERs.

  23. 32

    IDGAF spews:

    Trailer Trash huh DJ? HaHaha…You keep working on the phrase “would you like fies with that sir” and someday, you may actually be able to afford to move out of that dismal one bedroom apartment on capitol Hill and out here to the Eastside someday. (But of course to one of the section 9 apartments down there on Jaunita Way)

  24. 33

    dj spews:

    IDGAF @ 29

    “Trailer Trash”

    D’oh!

    “and someday, you may actually be able to afford to move out of that dismal one bedroom apartment on capitol Hill and out here to the Eastside someday.”

    Too late—I’m a homeowner on the East Side already.

    Hey, IDGAF, are we supposed to use orange duct tape during an orange alert?

  25. 34

    JCH spews:

    After a judge ordered former Clinton administration national security adviser Samuel ‘Sandy’ Berger to pay a $50,000 fine for stealing documents from the National Archives and lying about the theft, Mr. Berger told the court he could pay the fine from the proceeds of a new book he’s writing about the Federal Reserve.

    “Your Honor, to complete my blockbuster book I need to do some academic research at the Bureau of Engraving and Printing,” Mr. Berger said. “If I could just have a few hours of unmonitored study there, where they print U.S. currency, I’d be in a better position to pay my debt to society.”

  26. 37

    klake@ spews:

    It appears the Seattle Times must read this Blog.
    May some of you folks should visit the site after you read some excerpts from his blog.
    I post this site a few weeks back and got some feed back that showed some interest. for those who miss the post enjoy.

    http://rfgd.com/pdf/SeattleTim.....rpiece.pdf

    “But what spurred me to drop what I was doing, get on a plane and fly halfway around the world, to a war zone, was a growing sense that what I was seeing reported on television, as well as in newspapers and magazines, was inconsistent with the reality my friends were describing. I wanted to see the truth, first hand, for myself. saw American and Coalition soldiers putting everything on the line to accomplish their mission.So that Iraqi children can have the chance to grow up in freedom and fulfill their potential. I saw resolve steel the jaw of a military leader.I saw hope light the eyes of young girl.I saw a parent’s anguish,I saw a village elder’s wisdom,I saw a soldier’s compassion.And what I saw changed how I thought about this war. The “truth” of this experience is too complex to capture in a body count or a thirty-second sound byte. It’s chaotic, dynamic and evolving. It’s unwieldy, wasteful and we have made mistakes. It’s a struggle of epic proportions that ultimately relies on the strength of a people about whom most Americans seem to know very little. The longer I stayed, the better I understood things. And I began to realize that Americans need to see these things in order to understand what is happening here and come to a more informed judgment of whether this struggle is “worth” the cost, in money and lives. No one can make that determination without a balanced set of facts.To me, one look in the face of any of the children tips the scales one way.But I don’t do this work to espouse a point of view, or rally people to the right or left. Some people might find that statement disingenuous. I’ve been criticized for using terms like terrorist and enemy in my dispatches. Most critics are a safe distance from the battleground. Up close, its more than a matter of taking sides. There’s no value in using imprecise language in a futile attempt to appear objective. There is a difference between Coalition soldiers and Iraqi police officers and the terrorists and criminals they confront. Whether you call them insurgents or resistance fighters or terrorists, the people who wake up in the morning plotting how to drive explosives-laden cars into crowds of children have to be confronted.
    Combat is just one form of confrontation. I chose another way. By getting close enough to the truth, for long enough to recognize when reality reveals it, I confront the distortions in how this struggle is portrayed. I do it because we need to see this clearly: what happens in and to Iraq is a defining moment for our nation, and the world. This enemy is smart and they are deadly, but they are also losing. Iraq can become a strong and free nation. But it will take the constant application of pressure over time to stem the flow of blood. If we back off too soon, they will rebound. If we cut our losses and run, they will follow us home. Peace can prevail here, if we can use our strength to maintain our progress.”

    http://www.mikeyonopenforum.bl.....526d-78899

  27. 38

    Puddybud spews:

    Alan Combes on Fox News is reporting a large barge was lodged where the Lake Ponchitrain hole in the levee occurred. Just watched it. Black men, eye witnesses to the barge, saw the barge against the wall and heard the boom as the levee broke. Find the transcript lefties.

    Looks like the ACoE is now reporting that >$600 Million has been spent on levees built in the 30’s not designed to withstand the Category 5 pressures. But again it’s Bush’s fault.

  28. 39

    Wells spews:

    Yeah, Bush will make a tearful sacrifice of crony shit Michael Brown, but appoint some other ‘loyal’ Bushite, one that can be counted on to obey his royal lowness; somebody, say, from Florida.

  29. 40

    JCH spews:

    34…….George Bush must have put the barge there to destroy the levee and kill blacks. VP Dick was probably driving the barge!

  30. 42

    Donnageddon spews:

    But, PuddyBud, I am interested in these “black men” you speak of. Fascinating!

  31. 43

    JDB spews:

    Further proof that the right and the Bush administration is reduced to lying about others to cover up their mistakes:

    “What I hear about are the stumbles, and, amid all the good stuff, The Post committed a bad one last Sunday in its lead, Page One story headlined “Many Evacuated, but Thousands Still Waiting,” by Manuel Roig-Franzia and Spencer S. Hsu. The problem came in the continuation of the story on Page A24, when it was reported that Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Babineaux Blanco, a Democrat, “still had not declared a state of emergency,” according to an anonymous “senior Bush official.”

    . . .

    “As it turned out, the information was wrong. Blanco had declared a state of emergency on Aug. 26, before the hurricane made landfall. That was easily checkable, but it wasn’t checked. The source of the statement was a single anonymous Bush administration official. The story did not explain why this official had been granted anonymity to take a potshot at the governor . . . We tried to make clear in the story that the official was pushing blame toward local officials and perhaps had a political motive in doing so.”

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....04_pf.html

    So, wingnuts, don’t feel alone. All the right wingers are getting caught in their lies.

  32. 44

    Jerry Springer Jr. spews:

    Have you noticed how the shrillness of the wingers goes up as Bushie’s poll numbers go down? It’s uncanny. The great thing is, the more shrill they get, the less seriously “mainstream” folks will take them. So go ahead prr et al., spew away!

  33. 45

    John McDonald spews:

    With all of the Bush bashing, hatred, severely one-sided viewoints and discussions, swearing and your general lack of any professional qualifications, it’s hard to imagine your email to the President even making it past his spam filter.

    In fact it’s hard to imagine the inflated view of yourself you must have to send such an email in the first place.

  34. 46

    Donnageddon spews:

    Thanks, John, we were all sitting here saying to ourselves “When will John McDonald weigh in on this issue?”

    I am glad you did not let us down.

  35. 47

    IDGAF spews:

    AhhhhJDB, what a one trick pony you are and clearly unable to decipher information. Your ad-nauseum posting of this link in the big picture means nothing. There were 5-6 hurricanes in the past, most under Clinton’s FEMA, where the federal response took even longer than Katrina. You’re stupid, nonsensical evaluation is completely divorced from reality. As usual.

  36. 48

    Puddybud spews:

    JustDumbBozo asked why we still support GWB? It’s a simple thing. We can’t support lefties to take charge and take on terrorists. Did you see that white piece of trash making threats? Nothing on this blog discusses this tape!!! Why is that? Because your side doesn’t take terrorists seriously.

    A recent meeting of worldwide terrorist experts said we will be attacked by a nuclear weapon soon enough. But getting Mike Brown out of FEMA is Goldy’s top priority. See the misplaced concern? Google it boys and girls.

  37. 49

    Puddybud spews:

    Yes JustDumbBozo, remember the flooding in the Carolinas in 1999 by hurricane? But James Lee Witt was in charge of FEMA and Jesse Hi-Jackson complained about FEMA then.

  38. 50

    Donnageddon spews:

    IDGAF @ 41 “There were 5-6 hurricanes in the past, most under Clinton’s FEMA, where the federal response took even longer than Katrina.”

    “5-6 hurricanses”? 5 – 6? I have never heard of 5 or 6 hurricanes before. There is either 5 or 6. Very suspicious!

    So, I am calling your bluff and calling you a complete liar! And it will remain a comnplete Wingnut Talking Point lie, until you provide evidence for this “5-6 hurricanes”.

  39. 51

    pookster11 spews:

    I am a 23 year old Marine Corps veteran, and will soon be beginning a PhD program at UCLA. I have lived in the Seattle era since I was 10, and have dropped my support for the Republican party supporter for the past few years after my deployment to Iraq, and have tried to listen to both sides of the political issues more and more, especially the Democratic side which has become increasingly harder to hear. In recent elections, the Democratic party has had a poor showing nationwide, both in the 2002 congressional elections as well as in the 2004 presidential elections. I commend Air America for attempting to counter the Republican media that has grown up across the country over the past 13 years and attempting to counter the viewpoint that Republican media puts forth, and I have been waiting for a while now for Seattle radio to pick up on Air America broadcasting. I found AM 1090 several weeks ago now and have listened when I have the chance, however I find the programming offered on Air America to either be radical, extremist nonsense or simplistic laughable idiocy. I have tried to listen for extended periods of time and found myself simply changing the channel in disgust as little of any substance was discussed. For example, whereas most radio talk show hosts, right-wing or otherwise, will introduce a new hour or new segment with an article or an issue or a statistic or some substantive topic which can ignite a conversation, yesterday I tuned into a 20 minute rant by Randi Rhodes about nothing and everything in particular. She simply wandered from subject to subject, not really hitting on anything, no presentation of facts or news sources or anything, simply ranting and raving, and punctuated each and every “section” of her rant, as well as the rest of the show, with the statement that Cheney and Bush were white and had no souls. After this prolonged mental breakdown, the hostess went to the phones, as if shehad presented some topic of conversation. The host after her (I apologize I cannot present a name) continued this format, once again not discussing any articles or facts or statistics or news, simply ranting about the Bush crime family, and then once again going to the phones as if he had presented a new topic .

    When Air America was picked up in Seattle I looked forward to finally hearing a radio station to counter KVI and KTTH. However, is this is the quality of the programming carried on Air America, where nothing but vitriolic hatred and raving rather than actual news or topics is the topic of the radio show, what exactly am I to gain from Air America’s programming? Is this the Democrats attempt to appeal to the country again, to rant and rave and scream about nothing in particular and pronounce that Bush and Cheney have no souls, as if this is a topic of serious debate rather than simply sophmoric and childish remarks about one’s political adversaries?

    I admire what Air America, in principle, is trying to do, but this is the method they’ve taken in order to acheive what goal in particular? Listen to KVI, listen to KTTH, or even KIRO, and you will find serious, substantive discussions on political and other topics, regardless of the stance of the host. If Air America is nothing more than a sounding board for Democratic extremist rage, how long do you really think it will last, and how much of an impact do you really think these shows and blogs like this will have on upcoming elections, when all the public sees when it looks to the left is nonsensical rage, anger, and childish name calling?

    Do you people here honestly beleive that radical extremism, from either the right or the left, is what this country needs, or what will bring the Democratic party back into power?

  40. 52

    Donnageddon spews:

    The lies from the wingnuts are fast and furious now.

    1. Gov. Blanco did not call for Disaster relief. COMPLETE LIE!
    2. Mayor Nagin did not order an evacuation of NO. COMPLETE LIE!
    3. 2000 buses left unused for transporting the poor from NO. COMPLETE LIE!

    You guys are so fucking evil!

  41. 53

    Donnageddon spews:

    Hey Pookster read your post on KPTK’s website. You still sound completely insane.

    “vitriolic hatred and raving rather than actual news or topics”

    Are you not sure you were listening to KVI?

    In any event the dumping, or reprogramming that infinity has done to KPTK will probably sink the station, so I wouldn’t worry. The truth was too much for infinity, so they put on “limbaugh lites” and embarrassingly poor replacements.

    I am back to the internet broadcasts.

  42. 54

    spews:

    1. Gov. Blanco did not call for Disaster relief. COMPLETE LIE!
    2. Mayor Nagin did not order an evacuation of NO. COMPLETE LIE!

    Both the governor and the Mayor did a beautiful job evacuting the city and following through and disaster relief!!! Geeesh you republicans are evil.

  43. 55

    Donnageddon spews:

    “what will bring the Democratic party back into power?”

    The one thing I know is that being more “centric” (i.e. just one shade to the left of Bush) will never bring the Democratic Party back to power.

    Doing all we can to get rid of the fascist Bush administration, and educating the public is the only chance America has of getting back their governement.

  44. 57

    pookster11 spews:

    And once again, you have nailed my point Donna. You wanna say Republicans are killing people. Fine. How!? You wanna say Republicans are like Nazis. Fine. HOW!? If you have a case, make it. If all you have is bombastic propoganda, I’m not going to waste my time with you.

    If you really think the key to victory for the Democratic party is to become more radical, more extreme, and less coherent, I wish you luck. As it is, the party already looks like its going to split. Whatever happened to tolerance, to compassion, to LISTENING to the goddamn other side? The party is so messed up today because all we do is simply scream; wel yell things like Republicans hate blacks, Republicans are racist, Republicans are killing everyone, Bush is a Nazi, and so on. Meanwhile you have jackasses like Hannity or O’Reilly out there who, say what you will about them, are actually DISCUSSING topics and attempting to PERSUADE, rather than simply attempting to take for granted that everyone must agree with them.

    Get it through your heads people. The left is NOT the majority in this country. Latching onto conspiracy theories like “voter fraud in Ohio” and “Diebold machines” is not going to appeal to anyone, its going to make you look like a whackjob, and earn you a spot on George Nory or Art Bell. The Democratic party has completely removed itself from any type of national discourse. Clinton never simply said all right wingers are evil, or they should leave the party if they disagree, or whatever. Clinton’s take was that we are right on the issues, period, but that doesn’t mean that everyone agrees with us, so we have to tell them WHY we’re right.

    Franken I do admire, because he more than anyone seems to, in his sorta haphazard way, be attempting to appeal to more than simply the radicals. Erin Hart and Mike Webb as well, though recently both of them have descended more into the same type of mindlessness that seems so abundant on AA, especially Webb with his consitently dismissing opponents by simply saying they’re secretly gay. But if this is the democratic party of radicalism, of extremism, a Democratic party that is actually telling people to LEAVE (?!) rather than trying to pull people in, please calm your self for a second, step back, and think about what exactly the results of that will be.

    How many extremist lefty’s do you think there are in America? And do you really think that thats enough to carry the Dem party to victory again?

  45. 58

    JCH spews:

    48..Don, Will you be lending funds to Air America? Typical liberal “progressive” Democrats: always steal other people’s money

  46. 59

    JCH spews:

    DON…You stole your “guvment” job that could have and should have gone to a black. You are a racist!

  47. 60

    JCH spews:

    With all of the media attention aimed at the lawlessness and looting in post-civilized New Orleans, one crime remained largely ignored: rape. In the Superdome, according to a Reuters report, a 15-year-old girl was raped for four hours and her dead body left on a filthy bathroom floor. An 8-year-old boy was raped and his dead body stuffed into a freezer. A British student reports a man getting arrested for raping a 7-year-old girl in the bathroom. [Now if the “perp” is a black Democrat, has a crime been committed? What if the “perp” actually voted a straight Democrat ticket in 04?]

  48. 61

    Karmalyzed spews:

    Yeah rite, Rufus. The LA power outage was a Republican conspiracy to frustrate commuters. Man, you guys are funny! I can always count on entertainment from this blog.

  49. 62

    Donnageddon spews:

    Pookster “How many extremist lefty’s do you think there are in America?”

    More and more every day. But you need again to watch your definitions. The Right Winf Noise machine has fooled people into thinking that “extreme lefty” means anyone who wants to return to the Eisenhower era.

    There is NOTHING extreme about wanting to get America back on track and destroying this Neo-Con fascist regime.

    America, as we have known it, will not survive much longer until we kick these assholes out of office and make an example of them with trials at The Hague.

    As far as “nailing your point” Pookster, I am just helping you to understand how decieved you have been by 20 yearw of right wing Kool Aid.

    If that helps to nail your point, I am proud.

  50. 63

    Donnageddon spews:

    JCH and RUFUS, you should have been in Vaudeville! You could have dressed in Black Face and wowed the crowd with how stupid, untrustworthy and cowardly the Negro’s are!

    Hardy Har Har.

    Fuck you, you racist bastards!

  51. 64

    Donnageddon spews:

    JCH @ “DON…You stole your “guvment” job that could have and should have gone to a black. You are a racist!”

    Uh… JCH.. uh… I don’t work for the guvment. I don’t even work for the government.

    So,… uh… who is the dumbass racist now?

  52. 65

    Donnageddon spews:

    Caught in the filter : JCH, I don’t work for the government. But then you are a dumbvass racist, so I don’t expect you to post anything factual.

  53. 66

    spews:

    Donna-

    Hey Iam begging for forgivness here. I never realized how I was offending you white donks and “your people”. Please forgive me.

  54. 67

    Jon spews:

    Donnageddon: “There is NOTHING extreme about wanting to get America back on track and destroying this Neo-Con fascist regime.”

    Then please explain why he hasn’t completely federalized Lousiana (as he could)? Why has he bent over backwards with Governor Blanco when he could invoke the Insurrection Act and take over?

    You critize him for being ‘fascist’, but when it suits you he’s not ‘fascist enough’.

    BTW, how many elections has the DLC won? MoveOn/Moore?

  55. 68

    Donnageddon spews:

    Jon @ “You critize him for being ‘fascist’, but when it suits you he’s not ‘fascist enough’.”

    Uh… No. I have never accused Bush of not being “not fascist enough” That is a lie. (do you Neo-Cons ever get tired of lying?)

    “he could invoke the Insurrection Act and take over”

    He never NEEDED TOO! And if he did, I would hope that he would be immediately imprisoned, tried and hanged for treason!

    So, Jon the dumbass, want to try again? This time don’t LIE.

  56. 69

    pookster11 spews:

    Oh I see Donna, it’s all of us know nothings that have been hoodwinked. My life and tens of millions of others are quite a bit better then they were 10 years ago and I am most optimistic about the future the more I read about your point of view. Dr.Dean, your candidate of choice I’m sure, couldn’t even muster a simple double digit percentage when you take into account every primary before he gave up. Your ideology has not increased and I am sad to say that your actions and statements continue to erode the Democratic party.
    I am more lucid, intelligent, educated, experienced and sucessful than you will ever be and I would guess that is nothing other than your own fault. Your continous use of left wing lunatic language such as neo-con facists, and suggesting trials at the Hague do nothing but further minimalize your stature and position within the mainstream of this country. You will see proof of this yet once again in 2008 by a margin that will make any further left wing claims of vote manipulation so alien, that I suspect you and the very small, and getting smaller, portion of people who share your views will be completely irelevent and inconsequential.

  57. 70

    Donnageddon spews:

    Get the picture yet, Pookster. You cannot be “Centrist” with these Neo-Conn assholes. They will smother you, and your family, in your sleep if it means a tax cut for them.

  58. 71

    Donnageddon spews:

    Pookster @ 68, your cover is blown. You are not a “used to be a republican” You are just another piece of the Wingnut Noise machine.

    You either are a Patriot or a Neo-Con Symp. If you want to feed these assholes more of our rights and give them a pas, the fuck you.

    You are a part of the problem.

  59. 72

    pookster11 spews:

    You need help Donna. I haven’t given up a single right and neither have you. As for your other statement, I am a patriot as were every other Marine whom I served with who would still give his life for this country and even for someone as mentally ill as you are!

  60. 73

    Puddybud spews:

    I have a new name for this blog. HorsesAss, the Bile of Seattle.

    So Pookster11, welcome to the Bile of Seattle Horsesass Blog. They measure you and judge you. If you can’t agree that Randi “Assassinate Him” Rhodes is the greatest thing since the electric knife, HA lefties will skewer you. Also Pookster11, she be weally, weally ugly.

    Donk****don is a neo lib. Big Dog gives us that definition: “Kennedy is a neo lib. He only has principles that support his cause for the moment (as Surfside pointed out). He changes his tune to fit an agenda that involves feigning concern for people all the while fleecing them of their money. (Sounds like you Donk****don) Or killing them. Those Kennedy boys had a thing about murdering women. Bobby and Jack with Marilyn Monroe and Ted (The Swimmer)with Mary Jo. They would want you in jail for that. They are above the law because they are neo libs. I made that term up because there has to be an opposite for neo con.”

    So we be neo cons, you be neo libs.

    Jon and Rufus: Woppning Mens! U’s be funning us. I’s swill dat.

  61. 74

    Wells spews:

    Pookster11 @post 51

    Radio Air America host Al Franken is the most moderate, followed by Ed Schultz. Al presents a reasonable comparison of Right vs Left viewpoint, and carefully exposes the lies of the Right. Ed is also reasonable, but doesn’t put his show together quite as well as Franken. I’m really tired of the Majority Report and Michael Malloy. Randi usually makes some good points, but also rants too much. I feel the same kind of rage, but we don’t need liberal radio as much as Moderate radio. The only people Liberal radio needs to reach are the misinformed republicans. Alienating them with rants only pushes them away.

  62. 75

    HowCanYouBePROUDtobeAnASS spews:

    Yeah rite, Rufus. The LA power outage was a Republican conspiracy to frustrate commuters. Man, you guys are funny! I can always count on entertainment from this blog. -Comment by Karmalyzed— 9/12/05 @ 8:14 pm

    CAUGHT!

    WE’VE BEEN CAUGHT!

    …KEY THE TWILIGHT ZONE MUSIC…DOO, DOO, DOO, DOO.
    DOO, DOO, DOO, DOO.

    It’s a C O N S P I R A C Y!

    Hurricane Katy

    OK, Jesse Jackson, you win. You figured it out. There’s no keeping a secret from you and your fellow black leaders. So on behalf of the Vast, Right-Wing Conspiracy, I will now confess all:

    Hurricane Katrina was a racist plot.

    “Katy,” as we called her in the labs of Halliburton, Inc., was unleashed by the Bush Administration and its evil minions in the oil industry using a super-secret, high-tech weather machine originally developed in the labs of Nazi Germany and passed down through the Skull and Bones Society at Yale. Just ask John Kerry, he knows all about it.

    Of course Katrina hit New Orleans and its predominantly black population, and largely avoided the mostly white residents of the “Redneck Rivera” of the Florida panhandle. Don’t you remember how Katrina started out hitting Florida, then swung around the entire state in order to get a clean shot at the Big Easy? All part of the plan.

    The folks in the Congressional Black Caucus know. They know that Katrina (why not “Catherine?” No “K,” of course!) was created by the Bushies to accomplish two key goals: disrupt oil supplies so when the US finishes stealing all the black gold from Iraq, the prices will remain high; and kill lots of black people, who historically tend to vote Democrat, so the GOP can dominate the South.

    Those blacks who didn’t die were to be disenfranchised by being labeled “refugees,” one of the most insulting and racist terms in the English language, so demeaning it has often been used in the past to describe Jews.

    See how the conspiracy all fits together?

    But the plan almost failed. Despite the best efforts of the weather masters at NASA, Katrina hit to the east of New Orleans, allowing the levees to hold. Then, suddenly, the levees failed nearly a day later. What really happened?

    To find out, consider this question from a sharp-eyed reporter at the Bush/Clinton hurricane aid press conference: “How do you respond to rumors that the levees were intentionally opened?”

    Aha! Caught again! The levee system, which withstood the hurricane itself, had to be blown the next day, using a secret, silent explosive developed by the Pentagon for the Contras in Nicaragua back in the ’80’s all funded by the CIA thanks to profits from selling crack to inner-city blacks.

    The levees were breached, the city was flooded. Next came step three: forcing all the rescue boats, trucks and buses to sit idle on the outskirts of New Orleans for a week, waiting for more black people to die.

    Why, of course that’s what happened.

    Oh, sure, you could blame FEMA’s horrifically incompetent performance on the fact that the head of FEMA is a nitwit named Michael Brown whose previous “emergency management” experience was running horse sows for the International Arabian Horse Association “a job he was forced out of due to incompetence. But that’s the easy, obvious answer the conspirators want you to buy.

    Congressman Elijah Cummings of the Black Caucus saw right through that. The people in New Orleans could have been rescued, as he put it, “in a snap,” but they weren’t because they were black. Instead, “poverty, age or skin color” determined who lived and died in this storm, Cummings told reporters.

    Hilary Shelton, head of the DC NAACP, was even more specific: “Boatloads of white Americans [were] taken away from New Orleans, while thousands of African-Americans were left behind.”

    In other words, Louisiana National Guardsmen, New Orleans cops (those who actually showed up for work or weren’t too busy looting local Wal-Marts) and Red Cross workers were all sitting in their trucks ready to go into the city, but waited patiently while FEMA managers told them “Can’t go in yet “too many black people still alive! Let’s wait ’til we get a few more floaters.”

    Some dismiss this theory as paranoid nonsense, pointing out that many of those Guardsmen, cops and volunteers were black, too, and would likely object to being part of such a murderous, racist plot.

    Ah, but I haven’t told you about the Karl Rove Mind-Control Ray, now have I?

    There’s no reason to hide it anymore. Even rap stars like Kanya West have figured it out. “George Bush doesn’t like black people.” Just ask Condi Rice, Rod Paige or Colin Powell. Air America’s Randi Rhodes knows it. She said the Bush is happy when black people are dying. That’s why he signed a bill sending $10.5 billion in hurricane relief, much of it going to black communities in Louisiana and Mississippi.

    When members of the Congressional Black Caucus compare conditions at the Houston Astrodome to slavery; when Jesse Jackson, Jr. defends the right of looters to steal plasma TVs in order to eat (there’s a recipe I’d like to have); when Randall Robinson “reports” that “black hurricane victims in New Orleans have begun eating corpses to survive” (a recipe I’d rather skip); when these unfounded charges are repeated again and again, inflaming racial tension at a time of great national tragedy “what these courageous leaders of America’s black community are really saying is “It doesn’t matter how many millions of white Americans send how many billions in aid and charity to those suffering along the Gulf. America is still racist and we know it! You can’t fool us!”

    And I ask you, in all honesty: Who can argue with logic like that?

  63. 77

    Chimp Patrol spews:

    prr, you have to be the biggest lunatic and scum bag that I have ever seen post in any blog at any time. Maybe the fbi should do some checking on you for bringing the 12yo asian kids over here to do you when you desire???????

  64. 78

    JCH spews:

    DON, I never stole a black’s public sector job like you! You are the racist. Your comment on “blackface” is also racist. Very sad that you attack taxpayers who pay you way. You are like many Democrat “progressives” who only want blacks for their votes.

  65. 79

    JCH spews:

    73.Al Frankensteinburgloeb is “moderate”? Wells, Air America needs dumb ass libs like you to lend them some of your “guvment” check! [see Harlem Boys and Girls Club]

  66. 80

    spews:

    Puddy-

    ya mean dat in all. Iam gonna givya one of dose whatyacalit… dean screams…..yeaaaaaauuuuuurgh! Dat mak Rufas feel gud.

  67. 81

    Puddybud spews:

    Usually those who accuse Chimp Patrol are those who do. So how many did you import last month Chimp Patrol?

  68. 82

    Jon spews:

    Donnegddon: “He never NEEDED TOO! And if he did, I would hope that he would be immediately imprisoned, tried and hanged for treason!”

    Well, then is he a fascist or not? A real fascist would love an excuse like a huge hurricane to take over! Why hasn’t he? After all, Goldy said just a month ago:

    “Should we suffer a catastrophic terrorist attack on his watch – such as a nuclear detonation in a major American city – Americans should be prepared for Bush to act according to character… to declare a state of emergency, suspend the Constitution, and seize powers that can only be described as dictatorial.”

    He’s had his ‘nuclear detonation’! Why hasn’t he followed through to live up to your labels?

    “Uh… No. I have never accused Bush of not being “not fascist enough” That is a lie.”

    Well, that is true, you haven’t said it, my apologies. I was referring to the ‘President didn’t act quickly enough’ and the ‘dictators in third world countries act faster’ arguments coming from the left.

    To answer my own question: DLC: 2, MoveOn/Moore: 0. Why do you want to continue this trend?

  69. 83

    zip spews:

    Donna neo lib @ 52

    What about the bus convoy, Mr. History buff? Tell us how they were used BEFORE the storm to evacuate the elderly and poor as planned. Mayor Nagin ordered an evacuation too late before the storm hits and did NOT use the bus fleet to evacuate people. Even though the NO disaster plan relied on those busses because they knew people need them.

  70. 84

    JCH spews:

    How The Democrats Will “Help” Rebuild New Orleans: 1. Union thugs to drive up costs. 2. Jesse Jackson to “shake down” 10% of contracts. 3. Long hair Jewish lawyers [60s type] to hold environmental hearings 4. Environmental wackos to find a snail darter to protect 5. Democrat politicians to take “photo ops”. 6. Labor unrest and strikes [Democrats: social parasites]

  71. 85

    Donnageddon spews:

    A Pause to let the racists have their say

    zip @ 79 “Mayor Nagin ordered an evacuation too late before the storm hits”

    We have been through this, Nagin ordered mandentory evacuations 2 days before the Hurricane. No amount of post-Disaster rewriting of history will change that.

    “and did NOT use the bus fleet to evacuate people.”

    Another LIE. Nagin had fewer than 350 buses at his diposal, he used them to transport people to the Superdome and Convention center. It could only transport a fraction of the citizens that needed them. That was a part of the disaster plan. He was assured that the Bush Administration would take it form there. Bush Lied.

    Keep the lying up Zip!

    Keep pointing out the Right wing noise machine “blame the victim” mantra.

    And then kill yourself in shame.

    Take one for Team America.

  72. 86

    Donnageddon spews:

    Ah the filter is being freed, the above request for zip to kill himself should read “@ 83″

  73. 87

    Donnageddon spews:

    JCH @ 78 “DON, I never stole a black’s public sector job like you! You are the racist.”

    JCH… you continue fishing. I do not have a “public sector job” either. I am employed in the private sector. Don’t let the facts get in your way! Keep posting lies!

  74. 89

    Donnageddon spews:

    The filter eats another post.

    I will be careful with my words.

    JCH @ 78 “DON, I never stole a black’s public sector job like you! You are the racist.”

    I do not work for the public sector. But do not let facts interrupt your lies. Keep posting Bullshit.

  75. 91

    JCH spews:

    DON.Yes!! It was Bush’s idea to make the 500 buses into submarines! Democrats: subhumans.

  76. 92

    spews:

    It could only transport a fraction of the citizens that needed them.

    Could somebody tell me how many people stayed in the City. I heard it was as many as 20,000? Do you know Donna?

  77. 93

    Donnageddon spews:

    Sorry, Goldy, I know this is your blog. I am just frustrated with not knowing what word I am using that is holding my “damning posts” that make folls of the Neo-Cons in pergatory.

    Again, I am happy to be allowed to express my opinion on your blog.

  78. 94

    zip spews:

    Donna neo lib @ 84

    How does Saturday night become “2 days before”? Nice fantasy interpretation of the disaster plan and Mayor Nagins compliance with it. Citations would help.

    Here’s the plan:
    http://www.cityofno.com/System.....8;tabid=26

    Here;’s the quote:
    “* Supply transportation as needed in accordance with the current Standard Operating Procedures.

    * Place special vehicles on alert to be utilized if needed.

    * Position supervisors and dispatch evacuation buses.”

  79. 95

    Donnageddon spews:

    RUFUS “I heard it was as many as 20,000?”

    Yeah you did hear that from the MSM, but it is ludicrous in its face.

    I know you will scoff at the source, but you can click the links and be satisfied.

    20,000!!!!! That is hysterical!

    http://mediamatters.org/items/200509120009

    Crossing fingers that this will actually post!

  80. 98

    Donnageddon spews:

    I am done defending Democracy and America tonight.

    Neo-Cons post your lies, I am gonna watch Futurama and try to hope for a future for humanity.

    Check your lies later.

  81. 99

    spews:

    Donna–

    You did a good job defending the incompetence of donk government. Take a breather, and remember to stay one step up you need to think of the next lie… oh I mean scandal.

  82. 101

    Puddybud spews:

    Lucite finally appears. Done screwing someone in the ass for the night? Did your NAMBLA buddies stop by Lucite?

  83. 102

    headless lucy spews:

    IDGAF has got to be Stefan “without the x-tra K” Sharansky. What do you think,Roger Rabbit Dean Logan? Oh, and remember Dean ( Roger? ): Blackwater is water that is so full of shit and germs that it is dangerous to be around. So, apparently , the corporate image is that they’re so full of shit, they’re dangerous.

  84. 103

    headless lucy spews:

    re 21: Rush Limbaugh? Oh , he’s just almost dead. Great weight loss ( and hearing ) program he’s developed!

  85. 104

    Puddybud spews:

    Donk****don: Are you into revisionist history like JustDumbBozo? The mayur was asked to evac by de guvnur on Saturday he waited until Sunday.

    From the Clinton News Network: http://www.cnn.com/2005/WEATHE.....e.katrina/

    Oh no Donk****don, here it is:”New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin declared a state of emergency Sunday and ordered a mandatory evacuation of the city. (Watch video of mayor’s announcement)” But on the Donk****don calendar Saturday, Sunday anyday theys alls da same! Just like the Guvnur gave her pronouncement on Aug 25 per JustDumbBozo when it was the 26th. Lie after lie after lie after lie!!!

    Since words seem to elude your pea-brain donk****don, look at the purdy pictures. At least windie acknowledged them: junkyardblog.net/archives/week_2005_08_28.html There were 146 at one facility and 255 at the other. Hmmm… Is dat 401 buses not being used? Now at 66 peeples each, well I’ll leave da ciphering to you donk****don. Lie after lie after lie after lie!!!

    Did donk****don talk about black face, like Andy on Amos and Andy? Maybe dat was donk****don’s daddy? Maybe dat’s why he be know abouts da blackface? Lie after lie after lie after lie!!!

  86. 106

    headless lucy spews:

    re 27: What makes you think the holders of the cards were poor? What kind of sap are you?

  87. 109

    headless lucy spews:

    re 45: We’ve been Bush Bashing all along. It just took awhile for everyone else to catch up. This “politics of destruction” thing really works! Fuck you Righties and the horse you rode in on!

  88. 110

    headless lucy spews:

    re 48: Maybe they’ll blow it up in Iraq. According to the pres., that’s where we got em’ pinned down. The only reason a nuke would go off in the US is because the neo-cons are scared of losing their good thing . They’re fascists and you x-treme Righties are their apologists.

    Blackwater is shitwater.

  89. 111

    Puddybud spews:

    Dr E. What part of those 14 points are in control of the Republicans.

    1.) Nationalism – Democrats say it is nationalistic to disagree with the Iraq war. Just listen to Hilary in Central Park.
    2. Disdain for the importance of human rights. – Why are Blue states turning away NO people? Why are Democrats not caring of women in Afghanistan and other countries. Why do donks like women in burkhas? Why is it only our side is disgusted with African cultures performing clitorectomies?
    3. Identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause. – How your side is scapegoating John Roberts and others?
    4. The supremacy of the military/avid militarism – Every Democratic administration cust the DoD budget.
    5. Rampant sexism – Yes gay marriage is the leading mantra of your side. – Or NAMBLA support by your friends in the ACLU?
    6. A controlled mass media. – Right there Dr. E. Yes, >85% of the controlled mass media voted for donk lefties in 1996, 2000, & 2004.
    7. Obsession with national security – And your side still doesn’t think that terrorism is real.
    8. Religion and ruling elite tied together. – Your secularist religion of wealth redistribution and the “only donks know what’s right for you” attitude.
    9. Power of corporations protected.- Like the Head of the Louisiana Democratic Party as chairman of an evil corporation. Like George Soros or Warren Buffett or Bill Gates?
    10. Power of labor suppressed or eliminated. – When labor prices themselves out of the market or like Boeing workers who can’t seem to comprehend that everyone pays for their health insurance.
    11. Disdain and suppression of intellectuals and the arts. – Like Piss Christ and the vile Last Supper art? Leftist Intellectuals – Isn’t that an oxymoron? Or are they just morons?
    12. Obsession with crime and punishment. – Who did the crime in NO? Right thinking individuals or friends of Teddy the swimmer?
    13. Rampant cronyism and corruption. – Happens in every administration.
    14. Fraudulent elections. – Please tell us where this occurred?

  90. 112

    headless lucy spews:

    re 110: number 12 “Right thinking individuals”? You claim to know right thinking from wrong thinking and to demand the power to enforce your decisions? Once again: FUCK YOU and the horse you rode in on!!!!

    Blackwater is shitwater…………..

  91. 113

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @5

    You’re right — massive corruption and total incompetence are irrelevant. The stupid voters will keep on believing Republican lies and voting against their own economic interests as long as they get their $600 tax rebate and gas is cheap. But this $3 gas could be a great big problem for the Pukes. Betcha gas prices plunge just before the 2006 mid-terms — then go back up after the elections.

  92. 114

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Roger Rabbit is not dead! RR is visiting Democratic friends in lovely and waterful Cowlitz County!!

  93. 117

    Puddybud spews:

    Lucite your commentary is worthless. Can you say transparent?

    Here is an anecdotal that says it all.

    Republican in a wheelchair entered a restaurant one afternoon and asked the waitress for a cup of coffee. The Republican looked across the restaurant and asked, “Is that Jesus sitting over there?” The waitress nodded “yes,” so the Republican requested that she give Jesus a cup of coffee on him.

    The next patron to come in was a Libertarian with a hunched back. He shuffled over to a booth, painfully sat down, and asked the waitress for a cup of hot tea. He also glanced across the restaurant and asked, “Is that Jesus over there?” The waitress nodded, so the Libertarian asked her to Give Jesus a cup of hot tea, “My treat.”

    The third patron to come into the restaurant was a Democrat on crutches. He hobbled over to a booth, sat down and hollered, “Hey there, honey! How’s about gettin’ me a cold glass of Miller Light!” He, too, looked across the restaurant and asked, “Is that God’s boy over there?” The waitress once more nodded, so the Democrat directed her to give Jesus a
    cold glass of beer. “On my bill,” he said.

    As Jesus got up to leave, he passed by the Republican, touched him and said, “For your kindness, you are healed.” The Republican felt the Strength come back into his legs, got up, and danced a jig out the door.

    Jesus also passed by the Libertarian, touched him and said, “For your kindness, you are healed.” The Libertarian felt his back straightening up, and he raised his hands, praised the Lord and did a series of back flips out the door.

    Then Jesus walked towards the Democrat. The Democrat jumped up & said, don’t touch me, I’m on disability!

    NUFF SAID, LUCITE HAS NO HEAD

  94. 118

    LiberalDave spews:

    Lucite your commentary is worthless.

    Followed by an “anecdote” involving a bronze age mythical figure healing cliched stereotype political cutouts.

    You took his “worthless” commentary and upped the ante to “total bullshit.” Well done, puddybud.

  95. 119

    headless lucy spews:

    re 115. You said “jig”. That’s racist and you should be banned.

    And the Republican entered the coffeeshop and said: “Don’t forget to give ALMIGHTY GOD a free cup of coffee on me. I have no agenda and I’M NOT BROWNNOSING!!! And could you tell that starving black mother and her children to get the hell out of here. They’re ruining the neighborhood!!”

  96. 120

    Puddybud spews:

    Lucite, it’s my joke. Your editorializing doesn’t replace the premise presented regarding your side. Also your side loves free handouts. We work for our subsistence.

    Dave the Liberal: Think again about what you said. Look at the church relief efforts. Okay Mooron.Org is sending beds. Great, where is the housing, the food, the clothes. They lay in beds under the stars? Hmmm… Liberals like to talk but they are devioid of simple compassion for their fellow man. All they want to do is find faults in others.

  97. 121

    Dr. E spews:

    pudd @ 111

    I don’t know if you read the analysis I linked to, but it does state that these are “common threads,” not all of which are equally prevalent. So, if you’re trying to find all 14 characteristics with an equal presence in any government, you’re probably going to come up empty handed. Moreover, these tendencies have manifested themselves in all sorts of ways in the regimes the author analyzed — if you read the descriptiions given under each heading in the analysis, that should become clear. Some things, like media control, can be exercised quite subtly.

    What is important to understand is that these are tendencies exhibited by fascist governments. A government exhibiting one of these tendencies is probably not fascist. Same thing for two. But when you’ve got, say, seven, eight, or maybe ten out of these fourteen that are tangibly present, then, I’d say you’ve got a government that clearly exhibits fascist tendencies. In my view, I’d say the Bush administration pretty clearly exhibits at least ten of these characteristics.

    Now, the next question would be: if an administration exhibits fascist tendencies, does it make that government fascist? The answer, I would think, lies in the extent of control that administration has over the government. If it is effectively unopposed, then it probably is. If there is some sort of viable opposition, then it probably is not. I would say that there is still a viable opposition in this country — but therein lies the problem: if that opposition is further marginalized (as it seems many on the right would have it) to the point where it actually does become powerless (there are plenty of efforts to do this in Congress) then we run the real risk of sliding into fascism. (This wouldn’t be the first time an American elite flirted with fascism, by the way.)

    As far as your counterlist is concerned, it looks to me a lot like the one posted on the other thread, which was sort of a “yeah-but-the-dems-did-this” laundry list, which neither tries to prove nor refute the idea that the Bush administration exhibits fascist tendencies, while also neither asserting or refuting the notion that Democratic administrations of the past show similar tendencies. So, I’m not quite sure what to make of it. I’d be happy to give my breakdown, although it’d probably be quite lengthy and go off topic here. But I will try to respond later to at least one or two of your questions above if I get the time. For now, I’ll just repost the link:

    http://www.secularhumanism.org.....britt_23_2

  98. 124

    Wells spews:

    Rush Limbaugh referred to New Orleans mayor Ray Nagin as mayor “Nehger”. See, this isn’t overt racism; Limbaugh can deny the obvious morphing of Nagin to Nehger to “Nigger”. This is overtly veiled racism. Dittoheads are racist. Some dittoheads are Christianazi.

  99. 125

    LiberalDave spews:

    Dave the Liberal: Think again about what you said. Look at the church relief efforts. Okay Mooron.Org is sending beds. Great, where is the housing, the food, the clothes. They lay in beds under the stars?

    Your little story about a Democrat turning down a Jesus healing miracle so he could stay on disability has nothing to do with the relief efforts. When you’re talking about aid for over half a million people it’s going to take relief agencies, advocate groups and churches to handle it all. The truth is everyone in America is doing a fine job helping Katrina victims.

    Hmmm… Liberals like to talk but they are devioid of simple compassion for their fellow man. All they want to do is find faults in others.

    Which is ironic and hypocritical on your part considering you just did precisely that.

  100. 126

    prr spews:

    chimp@77,

    So let me get this straight.

    Goldy is able to slam people cerdibility by publishing allegations about them but not held to the same standards?

    If he is going to use this fax as proof of this persons character he needs to represnt himself in the same light.

  101. 127

    Dr. E spews:

    123

    I didn’t know Krauthammer was an expert in atmospheric sciences. To quote from his article:

    “There is no relationship between global warming and the frequency and intensity of Atlantic hurricanes. Period.”

    Although I think he is right to lay the blame on FEMA and the President, he’s also trumpeting the blame-the-mayor/governor line.

    This quote, however, does come from an expert:

    “The states really don‘t have the resources to deal with anything more than the natural fluctuations in climate and weather.  When we have a big natural disaster, it happens in one state.  It happens in another state.  This is a truly federal responsibility and we have got to have the funding.”
    –D. James Baker, former NOAA undersecretary, current president and CEO of the Academy of Natura Sciences, speaking on Countdown last night.

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    prr spews:

    Dr. E

    You bring up an excellent point and I think it illustrates where you are off base.

    You are arguing what should be as opposed what is.

    Given the current government controls, D. James Bakers comments are essentially a pipe dream

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    Dr. E spews:

    prr @ 128

    Actually, I think Baker meant to point out that most states would never have the resources on their own to respond to disaster of such magnitude. Thus, he is holdiing the current federal government responsible for failing to respond either proactively or promptly after the fact, and also holding previous governments—Republican and Democrat—for failing to adequately anticipate and prepare for such disasters. So, it’s more of a what-should-be as well as a what-is type of argument he’s making.

    We can of course agree to disagree on where the blame should lie. Baker’s view, as I understand it, is that the federal government holds primary responsibility for the Katrina aftermath, since he feels they should have had a larger, more rapid response. I would agree with him, especially since it has come to light in this past week that the President was not fully aware of the magnitude of the catastrophe until the Friday after the hurricane hit. (See the following: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9287434/ )

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    Schizophonic spews:

    I am extremely frustrated with the amount of party-line drivel I constantly hear from both sides of the fence. While it is particularly rampant on this blog, it also seems to be spewed from the mouths and keyboards of everyone these days. All of this is F***ING B***SH**! Take a step back. Take a deep breath, and cram your collective agendas up each others arses. I’m sick of it all, and I have a strong feeling I am far from alone in this.

    On The War Against Terror (a.k.a T.W.A.T.):

    Do you really think that we would honor the memory of the victims of 9/11 by ignoring the ruthless murderers involved? I don’t see the justice in that mentality. Nor do I see closure for the living victims of that tragedy. Namely, the families and friends of those who were killed.

    On the other hand, I cannot quietly condone the calls to murder an entire ethnic group over the actions of a few. If I were to do that, then I would have to wish death upon us all. All of us have “terrorists” somewhere in our family tree. Hell, sixth grade social studies taught me that, if nothing else.
    Furthermore, I cannot condone a clearly illegal and yes *UNAMERICAN* pre-emptive strike in Iraq, especially since it is very obviously based ON THE LIE OF CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER! Denying that only damages your credibility so STFU before you make yourself look stupid.

    What is painfully obvious to me is that we are no closer to justice than we were in September of 2001. In fact, it appears to me that we now know less about Osama’s whereabouts than we did five years ago. Furthermore, Bush has publicly stated that he hasn’t concerned himself with Osama bin Laden at all lately.

    Where is the justice? Where is the safer America which Bush and his administration pledged to us in his bid for re-election? All one has to do is look at Katrina to see a glaring example of just how vulnerable we as a country are today.

    On the other hand, how would Kerry have handled the situation? As I recall, he was right in line with Bush, agreeing and supporting the administration’s wartime policies completely up to this point. Does he now? I doubt it. However, I think both sides are coming to the conclusion which I think at least a few of us felt from the beginning. We chose the wrong solution to this problem. This whole mess was one giant mistake, and we must be prepared to reap the whirlwind. We cannot repeat the cries of “off with their heads!”. We cannot solve what is essentially a complex problem with the “simple” solution of diving in to foreign lands with guns blazing, and bomb them back to the stone age. Nor can we pretend that 9/11 and/or the invasion of Iraq didn’t happen. And of course, we cannot undo what has been done.

    The best we can hope for at this point is damage control, and to learn from our own mistakes. I see a problem in this country. A problem that very likely has a lot to do with why we are in our current situation as a nation. This is a problem I believe is eating away at our democracy like a cancer, and weighs heavily on our predicament. The two-party system has evolved to a point where it no longer serves the people. Many of us feel that we are often forced to make a choice between bad and worse when we elect our leaders and representatives. Whoever we choose, they seem not so much different than “the other guy”. In a representative democracy, how free can the people be to steer their future when they are only given two choices, who although seem diametrically opposed to each other, implement policies and practices that are eerily similar to their opposition, and worse, seem to simply repeat the mistakes made previously in this country’s short history? (Camps, nation-building, ideology based witch-hunts, inept social programs that victimize the poor by failing to help them while they simultaneously punish tax-payers for being successful, etc.)

    What I’ve seen in this administration is a lack of accountability, and worse, a lack of clear and qualified leadership. There have been too many failures, too many conflicts of interest, and too much disregard for human life, not to mention the attacks on our civil liberties (and for no concrete national security improvements).

    The fact that Kerry and his managerie openly supported the Bush administration’s primary policies makes him just as much of a contemptable bastard in my book.

    I’ve said it before. I think it bears repeating. We need a viable third option for leadership – and probably a fourth and a fifth…

    One of the “other guys” in the last two presidential elections was Ralph Nader, of the Green Party.

    I cannot say I agree with all of his political views – hiking minimum wage to $10/hr is ridiculous for example. Minimum Wage is Minimum Wage is Minimum Wage. How about education reform instead?

    Regardless of our differing views, I voted for him anyway. Twice. Why? My state is not a swing state, so my vote would not have affected the electorial vote in the presidential election anyway. But I *can* help to give another party – any other viable party – their matching federal funds, which, as I understand it requires 15% of the popular vote. Nader got over 10% in 2000, which although did not qualify the green party for matching funds, should have at least made him part of the debates. Unfortunately, the debate squad cried foul and said he needed 15% percent, supposedly at the request of their sponsors. Whoever is ultimately responsible for that is clearly afraid of inviting a third viewpoint – or so it seems to me. Which is why I feel that it is all that much more important that he (or others) be allowed to participate. I’d like to see the Green Party (or any party in the future with at least as much momentum) get that 15% (or more). Do you disagree with the Green Party’s platform? Who cares? There is no danger of them winning the presidential seat any time soon. The important thing to remember is that our elections are about freedom of choice, which we need in order to have a truely representative democracy. *Real* choice. Are you in Washington, or another non-swing state? Use your vote to send a message to the powers that be. Your vote is your voice. SEND A MESSAGE. We DEMAND a real choice, not a one-party system masquerading as a two party system. Vote responsibly.

    I am sure I’ll take shots from “both” sides here for wanting more real choices. That would not suprise me. What would suprise me is a clear and rational argument on why my suggestion is *not* a good idea for the citizens of this country.

    Regards.

    P.S. Who gives a sh*t about Mike Brown anymore?

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    Puddybud spews:

    Schizophonic: Interesting take on things.

    You asked: “P.S. Who gives a sh*t about Mike Brown anymore?”. The lefties do. It’s ridiculous to see the HorsesAss, The Bile of Seattle, continue down this track but what does the left have left?

    Regarding the right: As I remember the left side, did that to Nader. http://www.votenader.org/why_r.....hp?cid=106

    Read this: Today, Ralph Nader sent a letter to John Kerry concerning Democratic efforts to block ballot access of the Nader-Camejo Campaign. The letter outlines an unprecedented and undemocratic campaign to keep an independent candidate off the ballot.

    July 23, 2004

    John Kerry
    John Kerry for President
    901 15th Street, NW, Suite 700
    Washington, DC 20005

    Dear Senator Kerry:

    When we last talked, I indicated to you that your Party underlings are maliciously trying to keep the Nader-Camejo Campaign off the ballot and that you were inviting a mini-Watergate if you do not put a stop to these actions. You told me that there were “some groups you controlled and some you didn’t” and you would “look into the situation.”

    The Nader-Camejo Campaign is particularly concerned about the actions of the Democratic Party to limit the voters choices. In conversations with me, Terry McAuliffe has said he approved of these actions in 19 battleground states! Among the actions taken by the Democrats:

    -Harassment, threats and abuse of Nader-Camejo petitioners;
    -Attempting to spoil a ballot access convention in Oregon by sending Democrats in to fill the room and undermine the convention by swelling the numbers and then not signing the petitions;
    -Using Howard Dean to keep us off the ballot even though on July 9 in a debate with he said: “I refuse to participate in anything like that, because I don’t appreciate that. Some of my former staff members are doing that. I told them I wasn’t going to have anything to do with them.” Yet, when the Nader-Camejo Campaign held ballot access conventions in Oregon Dean, according to reporters, called reporters on both days in order to suppress turnout.

    Using state employees, contractors and interns who work for the State of Illinois Democratic Speaker of the House to review and challenge signatures on Nader-Camejo ballot access petitions.
    Hiring corporate law firms to harass our ballot efforts on frivolous and technical grounds. [Wow didn’t we know the Unions are the donks of the donks?]

    I am writing to once again request that you disavow these actions and tell Democratic Party officials to stop their efforts to keep the Nader-Camejo Campaign off the ballot.

    I look forward to your response.

    Sincerely,

    Ralph Nader

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    Puddybud spews:

    Schizophonic: You see my man, the left is very disingenuous when it comes to being fair and open minded. They are not, especially when it comes to challenging their donk position. They will stop at nothing to bury their opposition either by unauthorized use of Labor Unions or other means at their disposal. And you have the unmitigated gall to accuse us of that Dr. E?

    Schizophonic, your candidate met the forces of voting evil and you guys were shot down. I feel sorry for your candidate and I feel your pain. It’s despicable that these moonbats did that to Ralph. My son likes Ralph also. My sons are at an age when they will vote in 2008 and they are forming their own opinions. But, hold this dear to your heart, neither will vote for left of mainstream candidates like Screech and Botox.

    What impresses me is the attacks from the donks regarding the MSM. They know damn well that the left owns most of the MSM. They know damn well that they vote in the high 80th percentile for donk candidates! Fox News scares them because their monolithic stranglehold on news is being challenged and again they don’t like it. See ya Dan Rather! What is great is that Fox News continues to climb the ratings charts!!!

    Regarding us on the right; I will not venture anything here. Leave your SPAM email address and I will identify my response through a highlight on it.

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    Dr. E spews:

    132
    “They will stop at nothing to bury their opposition either by unauthorized use of Labor Unions or other means at their disposal. And you have the unmitigated gall to accuse us of that Dr. E?

    I did no such thing. In fact, I’m not sure I even know what you’re talking about.

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    headless lucy spews:

    re 120: Don’t try the pussy-martyr crap with me. You’re a heartless , violent thug and in aN NO type disaster you’d be one of the floating corpses if I saw ya first.

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    headless lucy spews:

    re 132: You can stick the word “disingenuous” up your ass, letter by plastic letter.

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    Donnageddon spews:

    PuddyBud “Why are Blue states turning away NO people? Why are Democrats not caring of women in Afghanistan and other countries. Why do donks like women in burkhas? Why is it only our side is disgusted with African cultures performing clitorectomies?”

    Why does PuddyBud keep making shit up?

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    Puddybud spews:

    Donk****don, making things up? Where is the hue and cry by the donkocrats for women’s issues outside America? Mrs. Bush went to Afghanistan to support women’s issues. Donk women are too scared!!! Bullshit on you.

    Dr. E. You posted 14 stoopid points from the secular site. I called you on that one regarding voting. Now you run backwards as fast as possible from it. Your man Kerry implemented disgusting tactics against Nader. It was not the Repiblicans who did this, donkocrats did. STFU with you leftwing neo lib junk. I will use real stories to prove your lies are lies. Lie after lie after lie after lie.

    Licite: Keep rambling. You are disingenuous like all donks. My way or the highway – Donkocratic rule #1.

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    Dr. E spews:

    pudd @ 137

    “I called you on that one regarding voting.”
    Okay, that would be this:
    “14. Fraudulent elections. – Please tell us where this occurred?”
    I’ll probably be opening a can of worms here, but 2000 (Florida) and 2004 (Ohio, New Mexico, and elsewhere).

    I still have my doubts as to whether you actually read the article I linked to. If you had, you’d see that it is a factual analysis.

    Now let me tell you why I’m not terribly interested in the “yeah-but-the-dems-did-this” counterlists (all 2 of them) that have been posted in response: the Democrats aren’t in power. It’s as simple as that. They don’t control all 3 branches of government. If they did, and were exhibiting as many of the traits listed above as it seems to me the Bush administration does, I’d probably be posting the same list.

    Why, you may ask? As Schizophonic pointed out above (and is most certainly not alone in such feelings), I only happen to be a registered Democrat because, to me, it’s the party that stinks the least. I also am really tired of holding my nose and voting for the least offensive candidate—something I have done in every presidential election. For the record, I don’t think Kerry deserved to be president of any country at any time — he displayed a complete lack of beliefs, had no platform, and

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    Dr. E spews:

    hit the “send button too soon”:

    (continued) said whatever he though needed to be said to get people to vote for him. In my view, he lost his chance to be President when he voted for the joint resolution to authorize military force against Iraq. So did everyone else that voted for it, including Hillary Clinton.

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    Schizophonic spews:

    Hmmm…

    I don’t think that choosing the party that “stinks the least” is any way to affect real change.

    Would you rather have someone confront you and tell you they are going to rape you, or would you rather have someone rape you while professing to help you out?

    It’s still rape.

    If given the choice between a wolf in sheeps clothing and an undisguised wolf, I’d be looking for a third option.

    Regards.

    flaming(underscore)red(underscore)dingo(at)yahoo(dot)com

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    Schizophonic spews:

    I was raised in a military family. My step-father (whom I lived with for 15 years) was a CPO on the USS Nimitz (retired). My mother is a teacher with a degree in child psychology, and a seat on the WEA. My father was the chief of police in a small town in Washington, before that, was at one time the youngest sheriff to be elected in Washington State, and is now a hostage negotiator for the FBI. My younger brother is enlisted in the Army Corps 82nd Airborne Battilion, and has served in Iraq – he is currently state-side to care for his youngest son, who has suffered some severe medical problems.

    My family believes in service to our God, our Country, and our Community. I myself opted against military service, instead seeking a career in information technology, which I have been involved in for the past nine years. Our family has always openly discussed politics and public policy matters. Most of my family has historically voted centerist-right in the past, and has done so with the belief that it is in the best interest of everyone. My step-father in particular had a long standing belief that our presence in the Middle-East had served to stabilize that region, a belief that I had never shared.

    Since we are both honestly concerned for the well-being of our country’s citizens, as well as the people of other countries, one or both of us was clearly misinformed on some major points, and I had to concede that his knowledge of our military operations in that region was probably far greater than mine – although I harbored suspicions of unconcious bias on his part due to his military training and history. Through our discourse and collective research we have finally reached a common ground. Our military does in fact stabilize the region. A region that like many other areas of the world has been systematically destabilized in large part due to our country’s CIA sponsered black-ops and political manipulations, which was mostly in response to the Soviet sponsored Communist infiltration during the Cold War and because of our interest in supporting Israel and to a degree, Saudi Arabia.

    Looking at the bigger picture, one can’t help to see a larger dynamic at work. We are a nation constantly at war. It feeds our economy. We are dependent on it – and we have been, since at least World War II.

    I cannot condone murder for murder’s sake. As a nation who trusts in God, we as a people cannot continue to support a system that is dependent on human slaughter. We MUST find another way to live. I am not arguing against war. History has demonstrated that there are times when war is unavoidable. What I condemn is war for blood-money.

    My step-father voted for Nader in the past two presidential elections, for the same reasons that I have stated above, and because we cannot, in good concience condone a murderous foriegn policy. Neither the Democrats, nor the Republicans offer an alternative, or a strategy to reduce our dependence on the “War Machine”.

    Voting for either Democratic or Republican leadership is not a vote of concience. The party that “stinks less” still has a lot of innocent blood on their hands. The first step in changing this sordid dynamic is to give the American people other options. Carefully research and then vote your concience, not the lesser of two extreme evils. It is the patriotic thing do.

    Regards.

    flaming(underscore)red(underscore)dingo(at)yahoo(dot)com

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    Puddybud spews:

    Dr. E. You and your ilk love to bring up Florida. Al Gore did his own demise. Why couldn’t he carry his home state of Tennessee. He would have been president. Donk on that one! No one else. He sued. When caught he was busted by the USSCOTUS. HE admitted later he did it wrong. He should have asked for a full recount. I am not writing a counter list. You choose to throw those 14 points and say these are Repub issues. WHen I adeptly identify these as donkocrat issues for you neo libs, you cry mommy he’s not playing fair. Well welcome to September 2005. You side made the rules of engagement, we now use them to our advantage!

    That aside, where are the issues of 2004 in Ohio? I already proved that the cities in question were controlled from dog catcher to mayor by your side. Again you deflect their criticism. Now you bring up holding your nose. Well Gore and Kerry did stink. I have gone on record saying I supported Lieberman. What did the far left moby troll moonbats do to Joe? They killed him with kindness? NO! What did Kerry do to Nader? He destroyed him with labor union goons. Wasn’t that point 14 in your secular humanism shit piece? So when I identify this to you you hold your nose. Bullshit to you too. Your weak arguments are like the Gilbert Gottfried trash bag commercials. They don’t hold garbage let alone water. Have a great day.

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    Dr. E spews:

    140

    “I don’t think that choosing the party that “stinks the least” is any way to affect real change.

    I don’t either. I registered as a Dem. only for voting in primaries and such, not because I endorse their entire platform; I didn’t mean to suggest that I vote consistently Dem. Believe me, I’d be thrilled to see a viable third, fourth, fifth, or even sixth option — the official political discourse as espoused by the two major parties is, as I see it, far too narrow.

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    Dr. E spews:

    143
    As I said above, I thought I’d probably be opening a can of worms. Regarding Fla./Ohio, there has been ample evidence documented at length (BBC/Greg Palast, Black Box Voting, etc.) that’s freely available.

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    Schizophonic spews:

    @ 144

    Sorry Dr. E, I clearly misunderstood your motives in that regard.

    I myself have considered registering as a Republican to do the same thing. =) Unfortunately, the nasty blanket-primary crap we have in this state now makes me seriously question whether or not that would be a good idea.

    Regards.

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    Schizophonic spews:

    If it weren’t for that blanket primary nastiness I would be all for launching a grass-roots campaign to register every “pot-smoking hippy”, “peace-nik”, and “scum-bag socialist” to register as a Republican ;)…

    Sigh…

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    Schizophonic spews:

    If it weren’t for the nasty blanket primary crap in Washington, I’d be all for launching a grass-roots campaign to register every tr33 hugging, p0t sm0king, s0cialist as a Republican for the purpose of having a vote in their primaries…

    Sigh…

    (tongue firmly planted in cheek)

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    Dr. E spews:

    146

    ” I myself have considered registering as a Republican to do the same thing.”
    I actually did this once — registered Rep. in ’92 while I was living in California to vote against Pat Buchanan on the primary ticket. (heh heh) I then went independent until 2000.

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    Schizophonic spews:

    I myself would have voted *for* Pat Buchanon. Get the nut-jobs out front-and-center where they belong, rather than sitting on the sidelines and getting elected into powerful cabinet positions.

    I’d like to forward a suggestion for a two-pronged strategy: Sabatoge both of the leading political parties. I’d like to see Micheal Moore and John Ashcroft simultaneously running for the presidential seat.
    Heh heh.

    Regards.

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    headless lucy spews:

    re 143: I don’t see how Reps. can call themselves “strict constructionists” when it comes to the constitution and still support the Supreme Court decision that made GWB president? It defies reason and logic. But it takes more than a paragraph to understand the issue, so I see why Republicans do not respond .

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    headless lucy spews:

    Didn’t Rehnquist ( the states rights guy) recuse himself from this bogus decision? Boy, is Scalia probably fuming after being such a loyal German and making sure Bush was appointed president. And now Roberts ( the conservative law ho’) is up for SUPREME MASTER OF FINAL DECISIONS? Very curious!!!!

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    Dr. E spews:

    1.) Nationalism – Democrats say it is nationalistic to disagree with the Iraq war. Just listen to Hilary in Central Park.

    I don’t know the quote off-hand, so I can’t comment.

    2. Disdain for the importance of human rights. – Why are Blue states turning away NO people? Why are Democrats not caring of women in Afghanistan and other countries. Why do donks like women in burkhas? Why is it only our side is disgusted with African cultures performing clitorectomies?

    I don’t know of specific instances of the first point, i.e. is it consistent? California is taking a large number of refugees. I haven’t read anything about Dems not caring about Afghani women — do you have a link to anything? As for clitorectomies, I think a lot of people, left and right, view it as a pretty hideous practice.

    I think this is more a matter of degree: the US gov’t is keeping hundreds in Gitmo while thumbing their nose at the Geneva Convention, and we’ve already seen the kinds of systematic abuses that happened at Abu Ghraib (and apparently elsewhere). So, the matter of degree is the state as actor in violating human rights, vs. the state or specific party in ignoring human rights abuses committed by others. For the former, the current administration has no problem turning a blind eye to such abuses. Neither did the Clinton administration. National “interests”, it often seems, trump human rights concerns.

    3. Identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause. – How your side is scapegoating John Roberts and others?

    I don’t think Roberts is being scapegoated — it’s perfectly reasonable to expect a SCOTUS nominee to be subjected to the highest scrutiny. In my view, the current enemy/scapegoat is the “terrorist”. This has the classic feel of scapegoatism: it’s palpable (and real) yet unidentifiable, abstract but yet manifests itself in concrete ways.

    4. The supremacy of the military/avid militarism – Every Democratic administration cust the DoD budget.

    That would argue against the Dems. being fascist.

    5. Rampant sexism – Yes gay marriage is the leading mantra of your side. – Or NAMBLA support by your friends in the ACLU?

    I think sexism usually is a strong male, subjugated female sort of paradigm. I don’t see this being particularly prevalent in the Bush administration, but it is present in some of its supporters (some Christian fundamentalists, Ann Coulter, et al.)

    6. A controlled mass media. – Right there Dr. E. Yes, >85% of the controlled mass media voted for donk lefties in 1996, 2000, & 2004.

    That’s a topic in itself, what I feel to be one of the biggest current myths: that somehow the media is controlled by liberals. Looking at who actually owns these companies (i.e. the publishers, boards of directors, etc.) shows the opposite. I’ve got a lot more to say about this, but it would be much too lenghty for me to post here.

    7. Obsession with national security – And your side still doesn’t think that terrorism is real.

    That’s not an argument asserting Dems are fascists. I don’t know if it can be proven that liberals/Dems/”lefties” don’t think terrorism is real — we’ve all seen it, right here in the USofA, in the recent past.

    8. Religion and ruling elite tied together. – Your secularist religion of wealth redistribution and the “only donks know what’s right for you” attitude.
    Even if that were a “religion”, that would be a very different thing than, say, people like Pat Robertson and other prominent Christian evangelists actively supporting the Bush administration — and from having the administration promoting things like the Faith-Based Initiative.

    9. Power of corporations protected.- Like the Head of the Louisiana Democratic Party as chairman of an evil corporation. Like George Soros or Warren Buffett or Bill Gates?

    How are they being protected? I think this has more to do with things like no-bid Halliburton contracts, the apparent “revolving door” from government to the private sector and vice versa, and vast tax cuts for corporations.

    10. Power of labor suppressed or eliminated. – When labor prices themselves out of the market or like Boeing workers who can’t seem to comprehend that everyone pays for their health insurance.

    Not sure what to make of that comment. But as a counterexample, I could provide Bush’s recent directive to annul the Davis-Bacon Act.

    11. Disdain and suppression of intellectuals and the arts. – Like Piss Christ and the vile Last Supper art? Leftist Intellectuals – Isn’t that an oxymoron? Or are they just morons?

    Not an oxymoron, especially if you look at the history of artistic movements in the 20th century (especially the early 20th C., although you’ll find that many of those individuals were ardent Marxists — which was considered by many at the time to be quite an American concept, and not without reason). With that said, I don’t find this to be too prevalent in this administration.

    12. Obsession with crime and punishment. – Who did the crime in NO? Right thinking individuals or friends of Teddy the swimmer?

    Not sure what you mean here.

    13. Rampant cronyism and corruption. – Happens in every administration.
    Sure, but again, it’s a matter of degree, viz. Michael Brown, for instance.

    14. Fraudulent elections. – Please tell us where this occurred
    (See elsewhere)