…it was good getting to know ya.
Washington state will not have a presidential primary for the 2012 election season.
One part of me is sad. I mean…the 2008 primary was when I came out as a Republican—a ardent Mike Huckabee supporter. I really voted for him.
Even without a primary, there will be caucuses. I am not trying stir up troubles or anything, but is there any reason whatsoever for Democrats to show up and caucus? I mean, does anyone really believe there will be a credible challenger to President Obama? (NO, NOT YOU, crazy trollfuckwad…I’m asking the non-crazy readers.)
So…where you can really make a difference for America is to lend a hand to your Republican brethren at our caucuses. Admittedly, most of the Republicans showing interest in the office have some serious monkey on their backs (if not Santorum in their faces). I think we need your wise council. We’d appreciate the assistance.
So, who do you think should win the Republican nomination for President in 2012?
Shit! I’m there!
Paul’s my man!
I voted for Obama, and have historically voted Democrat. Not this time, though. I would vote for any other Democrat this go-round if there was one worth voting for. Having said that, to be honest I’m actually considering voting for Gary Johnson, primarily for his stance on the Drug War. I wouldn’t normally consider myself a single-issue voter, but it’s becoming clear to me that Democrats can’t lead and Repugnicans are only interested in the almighty dollar and power, and Libertarians are… Well, I won’t go there. It’s obvious that the country is doomed in the short term and nobody is going to fix it, so might as well hope against hope that a few core issues that I really care about will undergo some progress however trivial. I’m not deluded into thinking he’ll actually accomplish anything other than demonstrating that you can have a fact-based adult conversation on the issue, but that’s more than we’ve seen from others (I mean the ones that aren’t fucking lunatics like Rand Paul).
What, you want me to sit in a room full of Republicans???
Never mind, I live in Gig Harbor, I do that every time I go to Starbucks.
I’m not ready to call there being no credible Democratic challenger for Obama just yet, but yeah, you’re probably right.
If you want a Republican that’s relatively sane support what’s-his-head, the ex-governor of Utah or Mittens. If you want bat-shit craziness go with anyone else on the list.
You know it might be fun to go and root for Teddy Roosevelt and hint darkly and repeatedly about the ‘malefactors of great wealth’.
Darryl, taking inspiration from your time as a Republican and going the extra step, I’ve been considering going to the Republican caucus meeting and stirring up trouble. I mean how many people could possibly attend a Republican caucus in my precinct? My thoughts were either go for the craziest candidate (although it’ll probably be decided by then) or to introduce over the top platform items.
LOL… If I showed up at my Republican Caucus everyone would probably get a good laugh out of it. Gig Harbor’s still somewhat small townish and my family’s been here for a few generations. I’m a known entity.
Carl, go with the civil libertarian, night-watchman gig. That way you can fit in with the crowd while slipping gay marriage and legalized pot into the mix.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_watchman_state
Darryl, I think the preposition you were looking for was that many of the Republican presidential hopefuls have santorum on their faces.
A Democratic PCO should probably NOT show up at the Republican caucus.
If for some reason one of the GOP crazies is still in line for the nomination, I am so there. Happily casting my vote for that whoever that lunatic is.
And Crazy Trollfuckwad – You seriously voted for Obama in 2008 because you thought he’d end the drug war or was that not an issue for you 2 years ago?
Michele Bachmann. She’s my girl. I sooooo love her. I’m ready to stand up at the GOP caucus and say, “I’ve never voted for a Republican in my life, but this woman’s captured me. She’s what America was, should be, and still could be . . .” I’m there, GOP caucus.
@10
I’m pretty sure I’d get laughed off the stage if I tried that.
You’re asking us to attend a Republican caucus? I wouldn’t make it through the first 20 minutes without puking.
11
I’m pretty sure I’d laugh myself off the stage if I tried it right now. But, I’m game. I’m going to practice, maybe even take a drama class. Hell, I’m not too old to try something new.
I am announcing my support for Ron Paul.
@ 8
theres good reasons for feeling that way.
Lets not forget the Rossi campaign using the Seattle Police Union for his personal thug army.
Doh, geeked the link code
Deathfrogg…Fixed!
I suspect the ultimate Republican candidate has not yet declared. Obama got his Kill Bin Laden bounce and is already headed down again, especially after 80 were killed in retaliation.
The focus will come back to the economy, deficit spending and the debt. Who has the courage, a plan and the ability to educate Americans about how bad things really are…especially for the future of our kids & grandkids.
Who is that person? Perhaps Paul Ryan, although he said early on he would not run because his kids are too young. It will be someone like Ryan where there is a clear contrast with Obama on our financial future.
I suspect the ultimate Republican candidate has not yet declared. Obama got his Kill Bin Laden bounce and is already headed down again, especially after 80 were killed in retaliation.
The focus will come back to the economy, deficit spending and the debt. Who has the courage, a plan and the ability to educate Americans about how bad things really are…especially for the future of our kids & grandkids.
Who is that person? Perhaps Paul Ryan, although he said early on he would not run because his kids are too young. It will be someone like Ryan where there is a clear contrast with Obama on our financial future.
There are two approaches here…one if Obama is weak and one if he’s strong.
If the unemployment rate is still around %9 then Obama will be vulnerable. Don’t risk helping a truly insane candidate win the GOP nomination. This also goes for the case where there is a strong third-party candidate on either side.
If unemployment goes way down by 2012 and Obama is otherwise in good shape, pick the crazy. This will help the Democrats focus their efforts on the House and Senate races financially.
Another consideration. If a relatively moderate Republican like Romney is the GOP candidate, he will likely play towards the middle. This will mean Obama will absolutely need his base to be out for him. “Oh sure, I remember that one from 2008!” say the liberals. Yes, but this time he’s the President. He won’t be able to pander through words alone, he’ll have to actually deliver for progressives. That’s an opportunity we should welcome.
Sabotaging democracy – the progressive way.
The communists tried the same tactic in the 1920’s and 1930’s……..
perhaps history is repeating itself.
@18: Paul Ryan would only be a viable candidate if he and his friends can get the entire country to forget that he tried to privatize Medicare in the same twelve month period that his entire party ran a BS campaign against Democrats threatening Medicare . . . and he’ll have to address the fact that his “revenue-neutral” budget shifts taxes from the rich (for the top 2%, from the 26.2% effective rate in 2010 to 25%, assuming he actually eliminates all deductions) to everyone else.
Don’t get me wrong–it’s possible. The American public already credulously bought the death panel, secret muslim, get-your-gov’t-hands-off-of-my-Medicare bullshit once, so clearly Fox viewers will buy anything their told, but I like to think people have been awakened by the last few months. Maybe I’m being overly optimistic though.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/new.....aries.html
and…
If Americans are stupid enough to vote Republican again, they’ll get what they deserve.
I’d quote some statistics for you, but we of the Autrian school don’t need any objective proof for our beliefs — and that’s NOT a proven fact — but, then again, we don’t need them. We create our own reality!!!
@24
so you support the subversion of democracy.
Thanks for making your stance clear.
The old “they did it so we should do it” theory. Nice.
this is exactly what happens when people are more loyal to their party than the country.
26 – I support sanity.
You support insanity, ignorance, knee jerk hatred and bigotry.
Just like those Republicans supporting Wallace in 1972.
You come here to turn a blind eye to right wing insanity when you don’t support it outright.
You’re a piece of right wing crap basically. Comfort yourself with some more Dori.
It’s going to be fun till Nov 2012.
YLB
Boy, this Bartertown dude has come in and just rocketed to the top of our most pathetic wingnuts list, hasn’t he? A truly remarkable performance. In no time at all, he has motored past some of our regular trolls with an impressive mixture of delusion, fantasy, hypocrisy, aversion to truth, and ideological blindness. I must commend him for a job well done. There may be a Golden Goat in his future.
@28
Hows YLB’s dick taste?
@28…
…he’s had other names…just like those old clapped-out loser hydroplanes.
@27
Yep, its gonna be “fun”: 9% unempoyment, gas prices through the roof, massive govt debt, states going bankrupt…yep, lots of “fun” indeed.
Good thing for you that people like me keep the economy running and pay your way through the world.
Would You Buy An Unfinished Condo From This Guy?
The “guy” I’m referring to wants to be president … or, at least, is pretending he does. So the question is, would you vote for a candidate who’s being sued for fraud by more than 300 outraged homebuyers?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43....._business/
28 – It’s that little Maxie jerk-off who’s been stroking himself off here since at least Sept 2009.
He deserves no more than the 1 goat he’s gotten already in my humble opinion.
31 – I bet you vote for the first bigot that yanks your crank.
Fine. I wouldn’t expect any more from you.
Here’s a suggestion:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cLxQ4B23_g
Yeah he says he’s running for President. Tailor-made for your ignorant ass.
@31 “Good thing for you that people like me keep the economy running and pay your way through the world.”
If you’re doing such a great job of keeping the economy running how come we have 9% unemployment and states are broke?
Now that capitalism has collapsed thanks to the laissez-faire policies of heads-up-their-asses conservatives, two of the things that keep the economy semi-afloat, or at least on life support, are unemployment benefits and social security — both programs that conservatives want to dismantle.
Social security is the best anti-depression insurance ever invented. Social security has never missed a single payment to a beneficiary in its 75-year-history. You can’t say that of the private annuity industry and you certainly can’t say that of retirees who depend on stock dividends or corporate pensions. Those social security checks keep coming every month — and they get spent. That spending puts a floor under how far consumer spending can fall when capitalism loses its ability to provide our people with paychecks and dividend checks — which has happened at regular intervals for as long as capitalism has existed. These down cycles are as predictable as Seattle’s winter rains.
Unemployment benefits, on a lesser scale, also put a brake on economic collapse by preserving a portion of the purchasing power of consumers who have lost their paychecks.
Thanks to unemployment benefits and social security, landlords still get paid their rent and stores still sell groceries, clothing, and other essentials to people whom capitalism has abandoned. That spending plays an important role in keeping a falling economy from falling even further.
Yet, conservatives want to dismantle these important programs. They say we can’t afford them, which is sheer nonsense; what we can’t afford is to lose them.
How could anyone with an ounce of common sense vote for conservatives?
re31 — “Yep, its gonna be “fun”: 9% unempoyment, gas prices through the roof, massive govt debt, states going bankrupt…yep, lots of “fun” indeed.”
Do you think people have forgotten that it was the Republicans who created these problems? People evoted Republican to teach jelly backboned Democrats that they weren’t being progressive enough, not that they objected to progressivism.
Do you think that Ohio and Wisconsin are going to vote for the Republicans come Nov. 2012?
YLB @ 33
Huh, I can usually recognize Maxie’s sockpuppeting. This incarnation just seems even more incoherent than past incarnations. Hard to imagine that Maxie’s gotten even more delusional and knee-jerk partisan, but maybe that’s the direction his affliction is taking him.
38 – He’s unique in one respect. He totally disparages partisanship at every turn while behaving totally partisan like every other troll.
He makes the other trolls look halfway honest by comparison.
It’s utterly psychopathic.
Michael, you were thinking of Jon Huntsman Jr. Despite being from Utah, he’s actually fairly moderate by GOP standards. But he’ll never make it. And I’ll bet part of what dooms him will be that some far-right kook will declare him a Satan worshipper. WTF, you say? Allow me to explain.
Y’see, Huntsman and at least one of his sons are pianists and keyboardists, and fans of the prog-metal band Dream Theater, and while governor of Utah declared a day of honor in the state (‘Dream Theater Day’) for the band when they played Salt Lake City a few years ago. Now while nobody with an IQ in triple-digits could possibly confuse Dream Theater with a band like say, Mayhem or Gorgoroth (look them up for yourself – you’ll either laugh or cringe, maybe both), some mouth-breather will come across this and claim that because Huntsman likes a Metal band, he therefore MUST be some sort of Satan-worshipper.
That said, I would rather caucus than vote in a primary. When I was a precinct chair in Reno in ’08, that was the most fun I’ve ever had without drumsticks and fully dressed.
re 40: Thanks for jogging my memory! I had to google the band to remember John Petrucci’s name. I had an instructional video that he put out back in the 90’s that I liked.
40 – I was beginning to worry about Huntsman a bit. I was wondering if the Mormon thing was wearing thin like the Catholic thing did for JFK.
But a heavy metal fan? That’s interesting.
re 43:
Not to worry about Huntsman … heavy metal ain’t the half of it. His GOP kiss of death is that he’s gushed over both the Prez and the SecState. From his home-state newspaper:
Put a fork in him…
44
Moderation, civility, reasonableness–Huntsman truly has no place in the GOP with those sorts of traits.
If I were to vote in the Republican caucus, it would be for former NM Governor Gary Johnson, who, with Ron Paul, are the only two candidates from either the GOP or Democratic Parties who want to finally end Nixon’s failed drug war.
I may not agree with his libertarian policies on most economic issues, but I agree with him on most social issues. In fact, I agree with him more than Obama.
If he were the nominee, I would seriously consider voting for him over Obama. And I am in my late thirties and have never voted for anyone other than a Democrat for president or Governor and I’ve volunteered for Democrats for all sorts of positions since even before I turned 18.
That’s how big the issue of ending the drug war is to me.
Too many lives have been destroyed and even lost (look at Mexico; the US prison industrial complex, etc) and too much money is being wasted. One of the biggest issues of our time is drug policy reform.
I would vote for Johnson over Obama if it meant that the drug war might finally come to an end.