Binge law enforcement does little to stop binge drinking

The Seattle Times editorial board just loves the King County Sheriff’s Office’s crackdown on underage drinking, which resulted in 143 arrests or citations over the first weekend of its annual “Party Patrol.”

Every year, parents are nabbed in the act of willfully ignoring the party they know is being thrown in their absence. A few genuine idiots get caught trying to be the cool mom and dad who host an event and provide alcohol to minors.

Yeah, well, it was certainly a different era, but my mom and dad hosted a couple high school parties at our house where they provided the beer, and they certainly didn’t do it to be “cool.” I suppose you can argue with their judgment, but they were pragmatic enough to know that the kids where going to drink regardless of the party’s location, and they’d rather it happen under their close supervision.

Ironically, the local chapter of Mothers Against Drunk Driving was started by the angry mother of a classmate of mine, after my parents called her to pick up her daughter, who was in no condition to drive home. It wasn’t the first or last time I saw this girl get drunk, but it was the only time I saw anyone prevent her from getting behind the wheel of a car.

Illegal, underage drinking only became more normalized in college, where the university actually threw a kegger for us during freshman orientation, and the RA’s made a point of explaining which local bars served undergraduates and which did not. Attitudes started shifting near the end of my senior year (1985) after a study revealing a serious binge-drinking problem on college campuses (duh-uh) was reinforced by a string of alcohol related campus tragedies.

Ominous headlines led to crackdowns by both local university and law enforcement officials… but that only drove the parties off campus. In one memorable example of the media hysteria of the time, a group of Rutgers students held a clandestine end-of-semester kegger outdoors in a wooded area near campus, where the metal keg was subsequently struck by lightning, killing one student and injuring several others. Newspaper headlines the next day trumpeted “another tragic alcohol related death” at a local campus.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not an advocate of underage boozing—especially of the binge variety—but having been a teenager myself I seem to recall that kids will be kids, and I find it hard to believe that arresting a few teens or their parents is going to have much of a long term impact on the problem. I hate to get all libertarian on you (that’s Lee’s job) but it strikes me that law enforcement provides exactly the wrong approach to what is at its core a public health issue, and thus I’d much rather the Sheriff’s office focus their resources on apprehending and punishing drunk drivers, rather than waste their time on efforts that may draw flattering headlines, but really do little to address the larger societal problem.

We, as a nation, have an unhealthy attitude toward alcohol and other drugs, that leads to the sort of binge consumption that truly puts our youth at risk. And I don’t think an annual police crackdown, or a couple of rah-rah editorials, does much to promote a thoughtful discussion on the issue.

Comments

  1. 1

    ewp spews:

    I’ve traveled around the world and lived outside the US on multiple occasions, and nowhere have I experienced such an approach to youth and alcohol as practiced here. And from all the evidence I’ve seen we have the worst problem concerning binge drinking and alcohol abuse among teens. So either Americans are somehow genetically inferior to everyone else in regards to how they handle alcohol, or our policies concerning alcohol are to blame.

  2. 2

    Rick D. spews:

    Why am I not surprised that little davey goldstein’s parents contributed to his delinquency as a minor. What kind of fu&ktard parent would encourage their child to drink at a party they had a hand in planning?

    I’ve been to plenty of shindigs where the parents didn’t know and that was half the fun of it. Only a freakin’ loser would ask mommy and daddy to ply their HS friends with alcohol and then send them on their merry way.

    The more I learn about Goldy’s fu&ked up childhood, the more I understand his retarded political philosophy.

  3. 5

    michael spews:

    Here’s the thing that bugs me about underage drinking laws:

    If you’re a student at one of our public colleges and you get busted on campus the arrest is handled on campus by campus police, you have to attend a “Party Smart” class and your arrest is sealed from public view because it is part of you educational record.

    If you’re not a student and you get busted at that same campus party your arrest is handled by the local courts, is public record and the penalties are quite a bit stiffer than attending a class.

  4. 7

    Rick D. spews:

    @5 ~ was there a point there?

    I guess the moral to the story is to stay in school. Not that any of you HA trolls would know anything about morals.

  5. 8

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Developing computer-steered cars would end drunk driving deaths, although that wouldn’t prevent drunken high schoolers and college students from falling out of windows or wrestling with bears.

    We have the technology to eliminate human drivers. Why don’t we use it? Cost? We could save zillions by using computer-guided technology to pack cars closer together on congested arterials and eliminate traffic-stalling accidents. Installing the hardware to replace human drivers with computers can’t possibly cost as much as treating injuries, paying insurance premiums, or supporting a costly litigation system. And think of all the gas we’d save!

    With computer-guided cars, we wouldn’t need laws against using cell phones in cars, either. Speaking of which, Washington drivers have about 10 more days to blab on their hand-held devices. Then, its Ticketsville if you get caught.

  6. 9

    Rick D. spews:

    @ 8 – Easy on the “wrestling with bears” comments there Bunny, Goldy might get sexually aroused with that kind of talk.

  7. 10

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Well, I guess I disagree with you this time, Goldy. The law’s the law. If we can’t have rule of law in this country on the big stuff, let’s at least try to preserve it on the little stuff. The cops shouldn’t stop writing speeding tickets just because it doesn’t stop people from speeding. Law enforcement is an ongoing process. Besides, keggers have public impacts beyond the hazards of drunk driving. These kids go onto public property and often leave behind unsightly trash. Their noise may disturb neighbors. All too often, party crashers come along, and that often leads to fights. Youth keggers are a public nuisance all the way around. Yes, kids will be kids, but when it gets out of control the authorities should step in. That’s their job. There are reasons why we have drinking laws. Are they always rational? No, of course not. But the solution to that is modify the laws, not ask law enforcement to look the other way.

  8. 11

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @2 “Why am I not surprised that little davey goldstein’s parents contributed to his delinquency as a minor.”

    What’s your excuse? How did you get to be such a stupe? Genetics, parental neglect, laziness, substance abuse, or a combination of all these?

  9. 16

    Rick D. spews:

    Roger Regurgitated Roadkill:

    What’s your excuse? How did you get to be such a stupe?

    Easy there, roadkill, don’t get your bunny britches in a knot. I know you’ll defend the head Donkey at HA with your life, but even you’ll admit it’s kind of creepy to have parents hiding in the back bedroom waiting for the right moment to prey upon a young High Schooler that has drank one too many of the beverages you provided.

    As for me, I’m from a large family with parents married for 54 years….so I guess you really shit the bed on your analysis @ 11. Nice try though bunny, but I bet you can do better than that…. or can you?

  10. 17

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Drilling For Bullshit

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  11. 19

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Man, it’s fun to smack around Ricky D.; he walks right into it. It’s like watching a Republican congressman doing a photo op on the deck of an aircraft carrier backing into a spinning propeller.* Gawd, what a mess — more flying good than froggy in a blender!!!**

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    * Just kidding! Ann Coulter joke.
    ** Another Ann Coulter joke — this is Two-Fer Day.

  12. 23

    Rick D. spews:

    I have plenty of material silly rabbit….I just don’t waste it on HA trolls like yourself. You’re too fu&king stupid to get half of it anyway.

    If I’m not posting, it’s because I’m at a real blog. Not Goldy’s troll site.

  13. 25

    michael spews:

    @10

    I agree with you on this one, but it sure would be nice if the consequences were the same for the college kid on campus and the working class kid at the Voc Tec/community college.

  14. 27

    Rick D. spews:

    @ the troll @ 26

    Sorry, I’m not a Democrat so I don’t frequent the sites you listed.

    As for whining, I’ll be in here the day after Dino Rossi and John McCain are elected to their respective positions…….I can’t wait to hear all the bitches in here caterwauling…I really can’t!!

    Coming soon in November…

  15. 28

    The Real Mark spews:

    Roadkill @ 10:

    Hey, Goldy! Someone is spoofing Bunny Boy’s nick again. That post makes WAY too much sense.

    It is one thing to let your kid try a sip at dinner to take the mystery out of it — which, IIRC, is actually legal (though I don’t recall the specifics). It is a whole ‘nother thing to provide liquor for someone else’s kids. And “kids will be kids” is a bullshit excuse. Would that be your reaction if someone slipped your teen daughter Roofies?

    The law is not a replacement for good parenting, but our self-indulgent culture has obliterated the concept of good parenting. And this applies to BOTH sides of the aisle. On one hand, you have the hippie parents who share their pot with their kids. On the other, you have the parents that ignore their kids because dad is too busy working and mom is trying to “find herself.”

    If you can’t make your kids the top priority in your life, you have no business having ‘em.

  16. 29

    Rick D. spews:

    How come YLB hasn’t chimed in yet?

    Probably looking for a new Avatar since I called him out on his last one (Pervert eye).I noticed the boy has since done away with it……too funny.

    The power of persuasion (or ridicule) I guess.

  17. 31

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @27 “I’m not a Democrat …”

    Only a fool would brag about that. Your fellow trolls, not to mention GOP candidates, have more sense than you. They don’t want anyone to know they’re Republicans. Can’t say as I blame them.

    “I’ll be in here the day after Dino Rossi and John McCain are elected …”

    Only a damn fool would wish for that — a description which fits you perfectly.

  18. 32

    Marvin Stamn spews:

    Goldy spewed:
    Yeah, well, it was certainly a different era, but my mom and dad hosted a couple high school parties at our house where they provided the beer, and they certainly didn’t do it to be “cool.” I suppose you can argue with their judgment, but they were pragmatic enough to know that the kids where going to drink regardless of the party’s location, and they’d rather it happen under their close supervision.

      
    Ouch. Sorry to hear your parents on this occasion neglected to do their job. Lucky for your parents you turned out pretty decent. One can only imagine what your parents would have done if you and your friends thought it was cool to torture and kill kittens & puppies.

  19. 33

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @28 You forgot to mention the parents who set a poor example for their kids by being Republicans. Fortunately, many of those kids turn out to be Democrats anyway.

  20. 34

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @32 “One can only imagine what your parents would have done if you and your friends thought it was cool to torture and kill kittens & puppies.”

    That was George Sr.’s problem, and he didn’t do a very good job of dealing with it.

  21. 35

    Marvin Stamn spews:

    30. Roger Rabbit spews:
    @23 “I have plenty of material …”
      
    That’s an exaggeration.

      
    So no disagreement with being called a troll and not being smart enough to understand his jokes. Just that he doesn’t have that much at his disposal.

  22. 36

    Marvin Stamn spews:

    34. Roger Rabbit spews:
    friends thought it was cool to torture and kill kittens & puppies.”

    That was George Sr.’s problem, and he didn’t do a very good job of dealing with it.

      
    Do you have a link to that?
      
    Or is this some of that made up bulls*&t that Puddy calls you on all the time.

  23. 37

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Since when have wingnuts need links or sources? You guys spew all kinds of shit that was wallpaper 10 minutes ago. However, since you asked, I can’t post links anymore because Goldy’s new software thinks any “Roger Rabbit” post with a link in it is spam and kills it. And Goldy can’t fix that.

    But I have a better suggestion for you: Do your own fucking research. Try googling “George Bush tortured animals” or “George Bush blew up frogs” and see what you come up with. Here’s a sample of what you’ll find:

    “`We were terrible to animals,’ recalled Bush pal Terry Throckmorton, laughing. A dip behind the Bush home turned into a small lake after a good rain, and thousands of frogs would come out. `Everybody would get BB guns and shoot them,’ Throckmorton said. `Or we’d put firecrackers in the frogs and throw them and blow them up.’ … George W. Bush … was the leader among the boys who did it.”

  24. 38

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    I’m surprised you don’t know that Bush tortured small animals when he was a kid, Marvin. It’s common knowledge. Most people know about it. Everyone now knows that he ordered the torture of human beings, too.

  25. 39

    Politically Incorrect spews:

    The drinking age ought to be 18 for beer and wine, 21 for the hard stuff. That’s the way it was where I grew up, and it worked out OK.

  26. 40

    ewp spews:

    Did I miss something or did Roger Rabbit forget to tell us how much money he made in the stock market this week?

  27. 41

    JamesC spews:

    Well, I guess I disagree with you this time, Goldy.

    —————-

    I second that. As parents of teenage daughters we struggled mightily with this issue. Our 17 year old came close to having her life implode on a number of occasions because of drinking, and she and we are extremely fortunate that she got through her high school years without something terrible happening. The teenage brain is still in the process of developing and maturing and good judgment is often lacking. Making alcohol more readily accessible to young people is bad social and public policy. My guess is the great majority of parents, especially with teenagers, would agree with this.

  28. 42

    Marvin Stamn spews:

    It appears Obama is swiftboating himself.
      
    He has a new ad out, “Country I Love.”
      
    In the ad he claims that “I…extended health care for wounded troops who had been neglected.” He listed the legislation.
      
    The fact is, he didn’t even vote on it.
      
    Lucky he’s a democrat. Otherwise the lefty bloggers would be all over these lies.

  29. 43

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @40 Roger got his cute fluffy cottontail kicked in the stock market this week. I take the bad with the good like everyone else. So what? That creates buying opportunities which turn into profits later. And I’m not commuting to a job Monday morning. Are you? You have my sympathy!

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  30. 44

    Spike spews:

    I also disagree with Goldy’s approval of his parents’ decision in this area. One of the jobs of parents is to make it difficult for teens to get liquor, not to ease the acquisition of it. Teens may drink, but they have to sneak, cover-up, lie, etc. to get away with it; parents need to show disapproval and put hindrances in the way. Adolescent brains are not fully developed, as science tells us, and teens who drink before around 23 are far more likely to become alcoholics than those who wait.

    Parents who shrug their shoulders and join in the delivery problem are abandoning their roles as models and moral leaders of their children. And those who throw parties and leave the homestead to the teens deserve whatever damage is done to their ming vases.

  31. 46

    Daddy Love spews:

    44 S

    I was listening, were you?

    Goldy said specifically “law enforcement provides exactly the wrong approach to what is at its core a public health issue,” not that teens should be enouraged to drink or that their drinking should be tolerated. Just that the police are not the agency that is equipped to help a teenager realize their own motivations or to offer alternatives and treatment.

    Also, Goldy in no way ever said that parents should “[abandon] their roles as models and moral leaders of their children,” just (again) that punishment alone does not solve problems.

  32. 47

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    One of my best friends was killed by a drunk driver 25 years ago. The 17 year-old kid who was the drunk driver was served alcohol by Parents like Goldy’s. It ruined the lives of my buddy’s parents, his wife, the family of the kid and the adults who provided the alcohol..
    Perhaps I’m a bit jaded because of this personal experience…but parents who allow underage drinking in their home should be prepared to accept the fiscal responsibilty and mental anguish.
    Goldy…it was a different time back then, but the consequences could be the same. Brutal.
    Your folks aren’t in anyway heroes or to be admired for doing this Goldy. They do not know what will happen after the kids are lubed up at your parents house.
    Raising 4 kids, it is a constant challenge for parents as kids try to become more & more grown-up tooooo soon. It takes a huge amount of time to keep track of them…but it’s not impossible when parents are in close communication.

  33. 48

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    With our kids we had clear, written rules so there would never, ever be a misunderstanding of actions & consequences..
    If they or anyone ever drank in our car….or if they were in someone else’s car where there was alcohol…they would never drive our car again. PERIOD!
    And they knew I was a mean enough bastard to follow thru on that one.
    It was hard because they all had at least a few friends whose parents were overly permissive or didn’t give a shit at all.
    Now that they are all grown-up, they appreciate the strickness even though they hated it at the time.
    We checked with parents when they did sleep-overs…whatever.
    It was hard work.
    They were our kids.
    We were responsible.

    Goldy’s parents were dead wrong.
    They were lucky.

    PS–
    Goldy probably got sick drinking a shorty Pabst.
    Light-weight in so many ways.

  34. 49

    Jane Balough's Dog spews:

    You liberal should make an example out of yourselves and try out “booze control” where booze in banned period….. you seem to think it would work on guns, why not booze? heheheh

  35. 50

    Puddybud spews:

    Stop binge drinking?

    Why that’s how bybygoober was conceived. His texas chainsaw father binge drunk his sow of a mutha and ta da – one bybygoober!

  36. 51

    Right Stuff spews:

    I for one congratulate the police for being proactive. Preventing kids from drinking and getting behind the wheel is 100% good stuff in my book.
    And to resign the fact that “teenagers are going to drink no matter what we do…one way or the other…” is lazy.

  37. 52

    michael spews:

    to resign the fact that “teenagers are going to drink no matter what we do…one way or the other…” is lazy.

    It’s not the first time Goldy’s engaged in that particular form of laziness.

  38. 53

    spews:

    And police arresting rapists does little to stop rape, so should the police stop arresting rapists? Do we need a more thoughtful discussion on rape?

  39. 54

    2cents spews:

    One minute the Times is condemning abstinence only programs because “you can’t stop teenagers from having sex” now they’re condemning parents who allow kids to drink safely saying abstinence programs work to prevent teenagers from drinking.

  40. 56

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Newsweek Poll: Obama By 15 Points

    “Barack finally has his bounce. … A new NEWSWEEK Poll shows that he has a substantial double-digit lead, 51 percent to 36 percent, over McCain among registered voters nationwide.”

    (Source: Newsweek)

    Roger Rabbit Commentary: Eat shit, GOP traitors!!! Your party, your candidate, and you are going down!!!

  41. 57

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Roger Rabbit’s Quote of the Week

    “Retiring GOP Rep. Tom Davis of Virginia recently advised party leaders that the Republican brand was so damaged by war, corruption and incompetence, if it were a dog food it would be taken off the shelves.” — Newsweek

  42. 59

    spews:

    Um… does anybody actually read my posts before criticizing them? Jesus… and I’m the one accused of being an inflexibly rigid, amen ideologue?

    Did I actually come out in favor of underage drinking? Did I advocate parents throwing keggers for their children?

    No, I suggested that binge drinking is a serious problem on campuses, and that an annual end-of-semester crackdown and a handful of congratulatory editorials does little to address the problem, which is in the end a public health issue, not a criminal one.

    All I argued for was a more thoughtful discussion. Guess I won’t get that here on HA until we move to registration system and perhaps some community moderation.

  43. 60

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @58 The difference between shooting a dog and a rabbit is you have to lead the rabbit. The fucking dog just sits there, grinning and drooling.

  44. 61

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    “until we move to registration system and perhaps some community moderation”

    NO! A THOUSAND TIMES NO!!! What would we do for laughs without our anonymous BIAW-paid troll(s)?*

    * Personally, I suspect they’re all the same troll.

  45. 62

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Hey Goldy, while you’e here, didja notice that Third Term McSame is now below Motherbeater Irons’ numbers? And second-hand cigaret smoke is more popular than either of those guys …

  46. 63

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    “According to new Internal Revenue Service data announced last week, income inequality in the U.S. is at its worst since the 1920s (before the Great Depression). The top percentile of wealthy Americans earned 21.2% of all income in 2005, up from 19% in 2004, while the bottom 50% of wage earners earned 12.8% that year, down from 13.4% a year earlier.” — Business Week

    (Quoted under fair use.)

    Roger Rabbit Commentary: A few years ago, labor got 60% of U.S. GDP and capital 40%. Now, capital gets more than half. With half of America’s workers getting only 1/8th of what the economy produces, why should anyone work? I don’t! I’m an Owner!! I not only get paid for doing nothing and producing nothing, but I get a 2/3rds discount on my taxes too!!! Why would anyone work under a system like that?

  47. 64

    ByeByeGOP spews:

    Too bad the police couldn’t stop the Bush Twin whores from binge drinking when they were underage. Or Bush himself when he was drunk driving. Or that cow Laura who got drunk (and jealous) while she was in school and killed a guy!

  48. 66

    YLB spews:

    Hi little Ricky Dumbass,

    The eye’s on your right wing bullshit loser like the crap you swallowed about Larry Sinclair.

    Fuck you.

  49. 67

    Puddybud spews:

    HAs clueless idiot returns with his “Eye on Perversion”. I guess he is trying to copy his favorite news site CBS’ “Eye on America”.

    I guess being downstairs in momma’s basement has it’s benefits.

  50. 68

    Rick D. spews:

    @ 66 YLB~ try to be a man for once in your life and decide if you’re going to keep your “pervert eye” avatar or not. Don’t let me decide for you.

    It’s tough being in your head…….so much room not being used in here!

  51. 69

    YLB spews:

    67 – the second-hand little man chimes in. Gone home yet PSilly?

    Hey Little Ricky Dumbass: the eye’s going to stay – focused on your right wing bullshit.

    Keep copying and pasting the crap you get from your right wing e-mail lists – we’ll keep exposing you for the right wing loser you are.

  52. 70

    Rick D. spews:

    YLB~ I don’t neeed to copy and paste sweetheart. Unlike you, I have a brain.

    Keep peeking in windows in that trailer park bit&h…or is that a mensroom stall you’re looking into?
    Damn Pervert!

  53. 71

    Marvin Stamn spews:

    59. Goldy spews:
    All I argued for was a more thoughtful discussion. Guess I won’t get that here on HA until we move to registration system and perhaps some community moderation.

      
    Thoughtful debate?? HAHAHAHA
      
    Want a link to conservative sites where thoughtful debate is welcome?
      
    With the far lefties here hating everything right of pelosi how can there be a debate. The only thing left for debate on horses ass is who hates america the most.
      
    Yeah, that registration/moderation thing will work out real well for you. This place will dry up and disappear. It gets boring reading rabbit post after rabbit post as he exhibits his hate and discontent. Or byegoober fantasizing that he’s having sex with the wives of posters. Or headless and his racist shit that the regulars overlook because headless hates reps. The way that so many are willing to use violence to make their point. Hell, even little lee wanted to get violent with me because I said fat people should pay more for health insurance. Of course lee chickened out, no doubt he ran to his blog and bragged about it like he does every time he gets manhandled over on sound politics.
      
    If you really want to clean things up… List IPs next to the time/date stamp. That way headless lucy, the rabbit and a few others won’t be able to play sockpuppetry all day on your dime.

  54. 72

    Rick D. spews:

    Goldy thinks HA is a serious blog where there is “thoughtful discussion?”

    Wow! talk about being out of touch.

  55. 73

    Puddybud spews:

    69. YLB spews: 67 – the second-hand little man chimes in. Gone home yet PSilly?

    Can anyone make out the pixels previously typed by HA’s “Perverted Eye clueless idiot”? Too bad he hasn’t visited Kos and got his oral fix of warm white sticky man-made juice when he wrote that statement?

  56. 74

    Right Stuff spews:

    @63
    “The top percentile of wealthy Americans earned 21.2% of all income in 2005, up from 19% in 2004, while the bottom 50% of wage earners earned 12.8% that year”

    And that 21.2% paid nearly ~40% of all income taxes…….and the bottom 50% ? less than 4%.

    The top 25% pays 86% off all income taxes…

  57. 75

    Right Stuff spews:

    @63
    “The top percentile of wealthy Americans earned 21.2% of all income in 2005, up from 19% in 2004, while the bottom 50% of wage earners earned 12.8% that year”

    And that 21.2% paid nearly ~40% of all income taxes…….and the bottom 50% ? less than 4%.

    source irs
    http://www.irs.gov/taxstats/indtaxstats/article/0,,id=96679,00.html#_grp1
    The top 25% pays 86% off all income taxes…

  58. 76

    YLB spews:

    70 – Little Ricky Dumbass – fuck you. The perversion exists in your little pea brain. You’re the only one who’s brought up that perversion angle – no wonder. You must be a frequenter of public men’s restrooms. Your number is prominently featured in Senator Craig’s black book.

    And the silly little irrelevant man PuddyIdiot has chimed in. What a sad little man. So sad he didn’t think of that perv angle before little Ricky Dumbass. So sad he didn’t think of FUWA before MTR. So sad he didn’t think of libtard before robtard arrived on the scene.

    A pathetic second-hand little man that’s hardly worth mentioning.

  59. 77

    YLB spews:

    So PSillyman, are you going to admit you went home?

    After all, the right wing bullshit artists are painting Michelle as a radical feminist. Shit! She’s even been on The View. What’s a PSillyman to do? And Barack? Where is he? Missing in action… Where’s the Souljah moment with his woman?

    Only it’s pretty tough to go home. I mean McCain – that guy’s a gigolo. It’s Cindy who’s got all the ducats. I can’t see a little man like you voting for a guy whose woman holds the purse strings. And man has she dipped into the medicine cabinet at times!

    Now McCain to his credit got his woman straightened out or at least that’s the story. We hear he’s shouted the right words at her like trollop and c*nt, you know asserted that manly dominance, so maybe you CAN go home after all. But the maahney..

    That’s unforgivable…

    You’re stuck PSilly – LMAO!!!

  60. 78

    YLB spews:

    I don’t neeed to copy and paste sweetheart.

    Yes you do little Ricky Dumbass. You got that Sinclair crap from on high through the right wing e-mail grapevine. You know the one that said Obama is a muslim? I bet you believe that too.

    You’re just another tool little Ricky Dumbass. Unable to think for yourself. Knee-jerking and short-sword jerking to the right wing line.

    Sure sucks to be you little Ricky Dumbass.

  61. 79

    Rick D. spews:

    YLB~ or Young Little Bitch

    You don’t like that I’m in your head sunshine, but the facts are there for all to see.I made you change your avatar.

    Nothing changes that you’re still a pervert looking in women’s windows at night….

  62. 80

    YLB spews:

    You did nothing of the sort. I post from different computers and some have the right e-mail address that brings up the gravatar and others don’t. You’re living in fantasy land little Ricky dumbass, nothing unusual for you.

    Here’s the eye looking at your right wing bullshit again – little Ricky Dumbass..

    I won’t bother with your ugly face…

    On and on through to November when you and the rest of the wingnut dumbasses are flushed down the toilet.

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    Puddybud spews:

    A bitchedslapped piss ant farted:

    And the silly little irrelevant man PuddyIdiot has chimed in.

    Sorry to give you another hardon “perverted eye clueless idiot” but you were the FIRST to blog about Fox News and the supposed perversion. So you are the pervered eye clueless idiot.

    This time ROTFLMAO YAAM SIUYA

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    YLB spews:

    you were the FIRST to blog about Fox News

    Yeah! To yank your silly right wing chain, pendejo!

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    Puddybud spews:

    Maricon@82: Sorry to see HAs “perverted eye clueless idiot” needed first to find and view “porn” to yank my chain. For the first time ever on HA “perverted eye clueless idiot” admitted the truth. He likes to view porn.

    You are the missing link. – Goodbye!