Big Hitter, The Lama

Margaret Talev in McClatchy has a dispatch from a wingnutty corner of Pennsylvania that is hard to believe:

“I like her backup man,” said retired machinist Ronald Duser, referring to former President Bill Clinton. “And her family’s from Scranton. She seems to be an honest person, just like my wife.”

Of Obama, Duser said: “I’m not crazy about voting for a colored guy, but that’s not why I don’t support Obama. I’m not prejudiced. I just like Hillary.”

A couple tables over, Jean Fetterman, a foster grandparent, said of Clinton: “Oh, I love her. She’s a very intelligent person, and she has her husband who went through this.”

She scoffs at the idea of voting for Obama: “I don’t want to be a Muslim!” She looks dubious when told Obama is Christian. “Then why did he go see what’s-his-name over in Iraq, that Lama?”

She isn’t clear about whom she means. She may have seen a photo of Obama wearing traditional clothing during a visit to Africa. “I don’t care what color he is, I don’t care if he’s pink,” she said. “I don’t think he’s got the same education Hillary has, and he’s so young. He’s arrogant, too.”

In the past, people haven’t believed me when I’ve told them that during the years my family lived in rural Chester County, Pennsylvania, we met people who still believed that Jewish people actually had horns. Hopefully, we’re all closer to understanding how that’s even possible.


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    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Boy, that’s frustrating! Here’s the problem with democracy: As a liberal you believe in it with all your heart, but … not only do Republicans and morons get to vote, their vote counts the same as yours.

    The only thing for sure about democracy is that it’s fragile. If we’ve gotta live under a dictator, I’d rather have that llama guy than the fucking monkey we ended up with as a result of the 2000 and 2004 coups d’etat.

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    Roger Rabbit spews:

    How come they call him a “lama” when his country has yaks? Why don’t they call him the Dalai Yak? Just wondering. I’m only a fucking rabbit and don’t know about these things.

  3. 4

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Meanwhile, in one of Africa’s poorest countries, Mugabe is making Zimbabwe’s elections look like America’s.

  4. 6

    Broadway Joe spews:

    To paraphrase “Eleanor Rigby”……

    …..All the stupid people, where do they all come from?….

    I think we just found out. And on a brief aside, the missus and I just came back from our anniversary vacation in Vegas, and I came across something I just had to share with y’all. Ladies and gentlemen, a slot machine even Piper would love……

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    Puddybud spews:

    Pelletizer – you as always prove to all of us here when you leave the law topics your oxygen starved brain has truth issues.

    These people are from the blue section of PA. These are true blue Donkey as the article said. These people reflect the Pew Research Poll I put on this blog as a PuddyFact three times now which many 16%ers tried to discredit. Well here is another article which supports the PuddyFact!

    Good work Lee.

  6. 8

    Puddybud spews:

    BTW Pelletizer I have been anti-Mugabe for a long time. I haven’t seen the 16%er elite complain how he’s treated his fellow citizens.

    Why is this?

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    YLB spews:

    7 – It’s most of your ugly, corrupt party who is paranoid about Obama being a muslim and passes around this right wing bullshit on e-mail. Here, it includes the shithead who calls himself “my goldy itches”.

    Sorry Stupes, your ugly party hates Obama and will turn only uglier as November approaches.

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    I-Burn spews:

    @9 Please. McCain has “tyrannosaurus arms” sound familiar? Save the holier-than-thou crap YLB. Yeah, there’s lots of bullshit coming out of the Republican side. There’s lots coming out of the Dim side too, even if you are to partisan to notice it. As a Libertarian, I get to watch both of y’all get down in the mud and wallow. And believe me, there’s enough for me to be laughing at both sides.

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    BTW Pelletizer I have been anti-Mugabe for a long time. I haven’t seen the 16%er elite complain how he’s treated his fellow citizens.

    Why is this?

    Because you choose not to, Puddy. I’ve seen numerous people from both left and right complain about Mugabe (criticism he very much deserves, of course).

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    Tlazolteotl spews:

    Are you talking about the corner of Pennsylvania that some people refer to as ‘Northern Hillbillystan”?

    I’m sorry, but it’s difficult for a latte drinking, college educated, ethnic food eating, coastal liberal elite like me not to despair at the ‘Heartland’ sometimes. I think the ‘Heartland’ needs to be put on statins or something, to keep that plaque down.

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    delbert spews:

    “retired machinist” => blue-collar, labor union member
    ““I like her backup man,”” => really drinking the kool-aid
    “She seems to be an honest person,” => Completely clueless

    These things lead me to suspect he’s a lifelong Democrat.

    It’s fun to see Obama supporters treat Clinton supporters like Republicans. The Attack Machine cares not – if you don’t support the party line.

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    It’s fun to see Obama supporters treat Clinton supporters like Republicans.

    When they say things that are so stupid it reminds of something a Republican would say, why shouldn’t we treat them that way? Many Obama supporters like me aren’t anti-Republican. We’re anti-ignorance.

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    correctnotright spews:

    Heard Bobby Kennedy’s speech in Indianapolis on NPR today – to a predominantly black crowd on the day that MLK was shot. The true anguish in his voice comes through – and he would also be shot within the year.

    Puddy can prattle on all he wants about Democrats and blacks – but the republican party of Willie Horton ads and the “southern strategy” is the party of discrimination – just check out who voted against the renewal of the 1964 civil rights act (Ron Paul included).

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    correctnotright spews:

    @10 I-burn: Yeah – the Libertarians really are taking the country by storm! Gee – I really miss Ron Paul and his idiot ideas (like the 1964 civil rights act was a “taking”). About the only thing he was right on was the Iraq war and what a waste of money it is.

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    correctnotright spews:

    Umm – those were probably Reagan republicans anyways….not real democrats.
    Of course they like Bill Clinton – he didn’t screw up the counrty nearly as much as bush. Even the average prejudiced dumbass from rural Pennsylavania knows that.

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    My Left Foot spews:


    Just checked in the mirror. While I can’t speak for Goldy and other Jews, I do not have horns. Of course I also know that Obama has an education, is not colored and I recognize that it takes some arrogance to even think you could possibly entertain the idea of running for POTUS.

    McCain thinks that the Secret Service is a waste of money. Either he is in the beginning stage of senility or he is is from Pennsylvania.

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    2nd Amendment Democrat spews:

    Is it true that the KKK is having its National Convention in Minneapolis this summer?

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    FSM spews:

    This just in….51% of the public has an IQ of 100 or lower. :) The general public is pretty stupid sadly. It’s a tiny percentage of folks who are really in tune with whats going on, and can pick through all the noise and internet “rumors” and understand the truth. Average idiots, like these fine small town rejects, shouldn’t vote, they’re not smart enough to understand the issues and the impacts on them and the country. We’d be better of just playing rock paper scissors than rely on mentally challenged idiots like this to pick our leaders.

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    My Left Foot spews:

    Thanks Lee. Now I am all bent thinking that these people live among us. My head will be on a swivel trying to figure out who to watch out for.

    Puddy, if McCain voted again MLK Day, does that make him as racist as the moe-ron in Lee’s post? I say it sure does.

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    I-Burn spews:

    So which one of you fine, egalitarian Libs is going to denounce the utterly elitist bullshit @20?

    Don’t one of you motherfuckers ever prattle on about how *you* have the right ideas for everyone else, if crap like this is tolerated in your ideology.

    FSM @20 Piss off. The stupidest bastard in the world has the very same goddamned rights that you do, whether you like it or not. If you aren’t happy with that then you need to move your sorry ass somewhere else!!!

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    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @7 Your complaints about my allegedly making thing up sound an awful lot like Ted Bundy complaining of police oppression.

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    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @8 I just did. And, in case you didn’t notice, I gave him a favorable comparison with Republicans, which should tell you something about how bad you guys are.

  23. 25

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Of course, any attempt at satire — no matter how blatant — flies right over wingnut retards like pudwhacker who have no sense of humor or irony at all. You could hit them between the eyes with a 2X4 and they’d think you kissed them. You see, they so completely into self-love they think the rest of the world loves them too.




  24. 26

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @10 You’re complaining about us calling your candidate names? Go take another wee-wee on the carpet.

  25. 27

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    I thought you guys hated McCain? What changed? Did you suckers swallow McCain’s flip-flopping whole hog? Looks like it.

  26. 28

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @13 “lifelong Democrat”

    The best kind, and the only kind worth having. Certainly, more valuable than the herd of wingnut trolls on this board who became “Democrats” 30 seconds ago (because they don’t want to admit they’re Republicans).

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    Roger Rabbit spews:

    It should tell you something that a lot of Republicans pretend to be Democrats, but no Democrats pretend to be Republicans.

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    I-Burn spews:

    @26 He’s not my candidate, dumbass. I was merely commenting on the, as usual, blatant dim hypocrisy. Don’t even bother with your standard Republican denunciations, Roger. I’ll concede that “they do it to”. Happy?

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    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @22 Why shouldn’t we peddle our ideas? Yours aren’t doing so hot, last time I checked. America’s experiment in government of, by, and for the stupid has turned out badly. In other words, you guys suck.

  30. 32

    I-Burn spews:

    @31 Hypocrit.

    Did you even read the post I was responding to? If you approve, then go fuck yourself Roger!

  31. 33

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @22 “The stupidest bastard in the world has the very same goddamned rights that you do, whether you like it or not.”

    This is something to be glad about?

    Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for democracy, I just wish you guys were — especially in the matter of letting our soldiers vote:

    “The Republican National Committee has a special offer for African-American soldiers: Go to Baghdad, lose your vote.

    “A confidential campaign directed by GOP party chiefs in October 2004 sought to challenge the ballots of tens of thousands of voters in the last presidential election, virtually all of them cast by residents of Black-majority precincts.

    “Files from the secret vote-blocking campaign were obtained by BBC Television Newsnight, London. They were attached to emails accidentally sent by Republican operatives to a non-party website.

    “One group of voters wrongly identified by the Republicans as registering to vote from false addresses: servicemen and women sent overseas. Here’s how the scheme worked: The RNC mailed these voters letters in envelopes marked, ‘Do not forward’, to be returned to the sender. These letters were mailed to servicemen and women, some stationed overseas, to their US home addresses. The letters then returned to the Bush-Cheney campaign as ‘undeliverable.’ The lists of soldiers of ‘undeliverable’ letters were transmitted from state headquarters … to the RNC in Washington. The party could then challenge the voters’ registration and thereby prevent their absentee ballots being counted.

    “One target list was comprised exclusively of voters registered at the Jacksonville, Florida, Naval Air Station. … [See this scrub sheet at;size=o ] …

    “The BBC obtained several dozen confidential emails sent by the Republican’s national Research Director and Deputy Communications chief, Tim Griffin to … party leaders. Attached were spreadsheets marked, ‘Caging.xls.’ Each of these contained several hundred to a few thousand voters and their addresses. A check of the demographics of the addresses on the ‘caging lists,’ as the GOP leaders called them indicated that most were in African-American majority zip codes.

    “Ion Sanco, the non-partisan elections supervisor of Leon County (Tallahassee) when shown the lists by this reporter said: ‘The only thing I can think of – African American voters listed like this – these might be individuals that will be challenged if they attempted to vote on Election Day.’ …

    “The Republican National Committee in Washington refused … to respond to the BBC discovery. … The party … refused to say why it would mark soldiers as having ‘bad addresses’ subject to challenge when they had been assigned abroad. …

    “Setting up such a challenge list would be a crime under federal law. …

    “Soldiers sending in their ballot from abroad would not know their vote was lost because of a challenge.”

    Quoted under Fair Use; for complete article and/or copyright info see

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    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @30 “I’ll concede that ‘they do it to’.”

    No, they don’t do it too. They do most of it. And when are you going to learn how to spell “too” correctly, you fucking retard?

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    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @32 I don’t need to fuck myself. I have thousands of cute fluffy female bunnies throwing themselves at me, frothing to get their turn with my rabbit dick. All the glory holing around here is being done by horny Republicans. Which reminds me of a joke …

  34. 36

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Roger Rabbit’s Republican Sex Joke

    Two Republicans are having sex.

    HE: Oh — did I hurt you, dear?

    SHE: No. Why do you ask?

    HE: You moved.

  35. 37

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @32 (continued) Of course I didn’t read your post. Why would I waste time on your drivel? I have more important things to do.

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    I-Burn spews:

    @37 More important things to do? Spare me. I wasn’t asking if you’d read my post anyway Roger. Keep working on that reading comprehension though. Maybe one day you’ll manage to grasp the meaning of a sentence the first time you read it…

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    I-Burn spews:

    @34 You want to bet that I can’t find a misspelling in any of your posts, numbnuts? Didn’t think so…

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    headless lucy spews:

    re 38: “Maybe one day you’ll manage to grasp the meaning of a sentence the first time you read it…”

    I-Burn: That, in a ‘nutshell’, is exactly what is wrong with you and you whole take on things. You whisk rapidly/vapidly through complex ideas with your unbending WingNut™ ‘principles’ as your guide. You often (sometimes hilariously so) misunderstand what people say.

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    FSM spews:

    #22 – I-Burn…you’re an idiot just like those “salt of the earth” retards who think Obama is a secret Muslim and don’t like voting for “colored folks”.

    I’m not saying I alone have the right to pick the President. I’m making a qualitative judgment though about these retards ability to decide MY fate and the fate of our country.

    I’m not saying that don’t have the RIGHT to vote…I’m just saying they’re dumb and we’d be JUST AS WELL off picking leaders by rolling dice than relying on folks who aren’t voting based on facts/reality. They have every right to vote the ‘non-colored’ candidate or whoever promises to give every voter a pony AND lower their taxes at the same time. I’m just saying don’t be surprised at the idiot (Bush) leaders we elect using this level of political discourse.

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    I-Burn spews:

    @41 You don’t even understand what it is that you advocated, do you. Take your original post, substitute ‘Black’, for ignorant. What do you come up with, you fascist bastard? I read your post and I know exactly what you said. You think you’re more intelligent than most, and you, and the other dims could run everyone else’s life oh so much better than they themselves could. Guess what asshole? The constitution guards the ignorant from the predation of the intelligent, just as surely as the honest man from the criminal. Based upon your post, you shouldn’t be so sure that you’re above that 51% line you were yammering about.

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    I-Burn spews:

    @40 Uh huh, you’re definitely someone who has any credibility about anything. I’d feel quite confident matching IQ tests with you any goddamned day of the week. You can even choose the day!

    I’ll repeat a question I asked you before and you declined to answer: Is it true that you’re really a cross-dressing castrato, or do you just play one here on HA?

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    headless lucy spews:

    re 42: The founding fathers limited voting to the propertied and educated.

    Go figure — or not — as seems to be your proclivity. If you want to ‘burn’ us, better get a new lighter.

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    headless lucy spews:

    re 43: My IQ has registered from 125 to 140. It depends on whether you take the long or the short versions.

    Not to mention the fact that there is no way to measure the ‘IQ’ of the test writers.

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    headless lucy spews:

    re 43: “Is it true that you’re really a cross-dressing castrato….?”

    What would prompt you to ask such a question. Have you known people like that in the past. Who do you hang with?

  45. 47

    GBS spews:


    I explained to you where in the Preamble why health care can be considered a right.

    It’s on the John McCain health plan thread.


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    Puddybud spews:

    Veryincorrectnotbright farted:”just check out who voted against the renewal of the 1964 civil rights act (Ron Paul included).”


    Tell me again who passed the VRA and CRA? I am sooooooo tired of correcting your crap Veryincorrectnotbright.

    Google search Everett Dirksen. Then Google search Richard Russell, Al Gore Sr, and Robert 3K Pointy Sheets Byrd.

    For the last time Veryincorrectnotbright Republicans in the House and Senate passed both bills so LBJ could sign them. He couldn’t bring his own party to the table.

    June 9, 1964 Republicans condemn 14-hour filibuster against 1964 Civil Rights Act by U.S. Senator and former Ku Klux Klansman Robert Byrd (D-WV), who still serves in the Senate

    June 10, 1964 Senate Minority Leader Everett Dirksen (R-IL) criticizes Democrat filibuster against 1964 Civil Rights Act, calls on Democrats to stop opposing racial equality

    The Civil Rights Act of 1964 was introduced and approved by a staggering majority of Republicans in the Senate. The Act was opposed by most southern Democrat senators, several of whom were proud segregationists—one of them being Al Gore Sr. Democrat President Lyndon B. Johnson relied on Illinois Senator Everett Dirksen, the Republican leader from Illinois, to get the Act passed.

    June 20, 1964 The Chicago Defender, renowned African-American newspaper, praises Senate Republican Leader Everett Dirksen (R-IL) for leading passage of 1964 Civil Rights Act

    August 4, 1965 – Senate Republican Leader Everett Dirksen (R-IL) overcomes Democrat attempts to block 1965 Voting Rights Act; 94% of Senate Republicans vote for landmark civil right legislation, while 27% of Democrats oppose

    Goldy, he’s one of yours. Untrainable, unteachable, and untenable. Just an idiot!

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    The Blatantly Obvious spews:

    Buddypud: Untrainable, unteachable, and untenable. Just an idiot!

    Yeah, but you’re allowed to post anyway.

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    m spews:

    i spent a week in ohio last month, doing some canvassing for Obama, and you would not believe how many people dropped crazy shit like this at the door. “he doesn’t support the flag, i can’t vote for a muslim, he’s from over there…,” etc.

    i learned that you can correct their wild misconceptions. and, often, they’ll believe what you’re saying. but i doubt i convinced many wingnuts to actually vote for him. i probably just left them a little less terrified of his potential presidency.