Bad news for GOP as jobs market shows hint of recovery?

Washington state’s jobs numbers rebounded in January showing the biggest one-month gain in nearly three years, and many economists are now predicting Washington to lead the nation in jobs growth throughout the year.

Good news for workers. But if these projections hold up, and if our economy shows significant signs of recovery over the next eight months, and if Democrats nationally manage to get voters to give them a little credit for the stimulus packages they pushed through in the face of unified Republican opposition, that can’t be good news for the GOP’s prospects come November, can it?

Of course, those are a handful of huge “ifs.” One month’s uptick does not a recovery make, and unemployment levels are predicted to remain at generational highs, even as our economy pulls well out of recession. And of course, relying on the Democrats to effectively message their successes is like relying on France to successfully defend its border with Germany. But still, it does illustrate a larger point: for a party that relies primarily on fear and anger to motivate its base and gain traction with independents, good economic news is bad news for the GOP.

Comments

  1. 1

    Michael spews:

    Looks like the price of oil is headed over $80 a barrel. I wouldn’t count on that “significant recovery.”

  2. 3

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Republicans will never get over the fact we didn’t have another Great Depression with 25% unemployment to keep the unions in line.

  3. 4

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @1 Goldy’s right, you’ve got it backwards, oil prices are being pulled up by the recovery.

    Actually, $80 is on the cheap side. The only reason gas has been under $3 is because so many people are out of work, reducing commuter demand for fuel.

    If you believe the economy will never recover, then bet against oil stocks. I’ve been buying them, recently adding Chevron to my portfolio at $71 a share. It pays a decent dividend while I wait for it to hit 100 bucks.

  4. 5

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    ” … for a party that relies primarily on fear and anger to motivate its base and gain traction with independents, good economic news is bad news for the GOP.”

    I suspect there’s going to be more than a little anger among working-class voters when they find out corporate profits are exploding but companies aren’t using that money to hire, they’re using it to buy each other and boost executive bonuses.

  5. 6

    Zotz spews:

    @4 (and @1): You’re both right. Recovery will push up energy costs and energy costs will choke off the recovery.

    I’m convinced high oil prices are what tipped the economy over the edge. The faster we’re off fossil fuel the better. Lots of pain on the way there though.

  6. 7

    correctnotright spews:

    The problem with the GOP is that they are not FOR anything….but they are against American jobs and American recovery.

    So any good news…and I still think the economy is inherently weak….is bad for the party of NO.

    The only thing the GOP is FOR is lower taxes….and the only way to lower taxes without causing the deficit to skyrocket is for the economy to recover. But the GOP is trying to stop the economic recovery…go figure.

  7. 9

    Puddybud is Sad my friend died spews:

    Wrong Goldy…

    The stock market shot up today when they all realized Chuckme Rangel is not the head of tax writing in the house.

  8. 10

    Puddybud is Sad my friend died spews:

    Zotz,

    The faster we explore for new fossil fuel sources in our hemisphere, the longer we can take to make green energy systems economical and viable.

  9. 12

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    Why is that “bad news” for Republicans?
    Once folks realize that this may be a short-lived bounce that Democrats will destroy by taxing the real job creators out of the State or out of business…
    Once folks realize this was done on the back of massive Democrat/Obam-Mao Deficit Spending that has to someday be paid back…just like the credit card debt they incurred while unemployed.
    Once folks realize that these Unemployment numbers do not include Underemployed and folks that have just stopped looking for jobs..

    Once they cut thru the Democrat smoke..

    Hey, if things are looking so rosey….why does Gregoire and the Union Democrats need to raise taxes?? Huh?

  10. 13

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    Oil Prices rise when the dollar falls generally.
    All it is is a reflection on buyers perception that Obam-Mao accelerating the printing press creates high oil prices.

  11. 14

    Michael spews:

    @4

    If you believe the economy will never recover, then bet against oil stocks.

    I think “recover” is the wrong word. To recover is to get back where we were, which was in stock bubbles and spending money we didn’t have on crap we didn’t need. So, in that sense I don’t think there will be a recovery. I do think that things will change and improve, but what we change into might not look a hell of a lot like where we were at before the crash.

  12. 15

    Michael spews:

    @13

    Oil is a finite resource that is in ever increasing demand. Prices tend to go up in situations like that. ;-)

  13. 16

    correctnotright spews:

    Hey ignorant Klynical:

    1. This is still the aftermath of the Bush recession and the bank bounce (due to lack of regulation of the banks)

    2. Bush caused record deficits when the economy was going full steam by wasting money in Iraq (over 1 trillion) – that you NEVER complained about (so that makes you a total hypocrite).

    3. In a recession, the government needs to spend money becuase private industry is pulling back (please try to read a basic economics text and stop blathering the BS that you usually do – culled directly from ignorant rightwingnuts.

    4. Without the stimulus that you and the idiot republicans opposed it would have been much worse.

    5. You are the same idiot who claimed the stock market going down was due to Obama when he first came in….and now you don’t mention the stock market because it is way up over Bush.

    6. You know nothing and are complete and total idiot who supported bush and Cheny…’nuff said.

  14. 17

    Chris Stefan spews:

    @4
    Actually several of the Dow dogs look pretty good.

    In communications we have AT&T and Verizon with yields over 6.7% and 6.4% respectively.

    In chemicals we have DuPont with a yield over 4.8%

    In pharma we have Merck and Pfizer with yields over 4%

    In food & beverage we have Kraft, McDonald’s and Coca-Cola with yields over 4%, 3.4%, and 3.3% respectively.

    Chevron you’ve already mentioned. As of yesterday’s close the yield was a hair over 3.7%

    These are all solid companies and many would be great investments even without the dividends. Those dividend yields are far better than a savings account, money market fund, or even bonds are going to pay. Of course the risk is higher and if the stock goes down you can lose principal.

  15. 18

    Puddybud is Sad my friend died spews:

    Oh my Chris Stefan… Big Oil and Big Pharma… two organizations which headless lucy and his 51 other personalities bristled over with his zero sum game and scum sucking pill pushers rants. Yet you all give a pass to the Dumb Bunny who brags about investing in Big Oil. Seems like a big dichotomy to Puddy, butt then most progressive screams are a big dichotomy!

    Ask ylb arschloch for the original postings from his personal HA blog backup at home.

  16. 20

    Puddybud is Sad my friend died spews:

    You know correctnotright is a broken record and a historical revisionist.

    1) Bush was operating under Clintons FY2001 budget when 9/11 hit. Puddy was supposed to fly to NYC but our trip was cancelled for a week.

    2) The recession has been documented as “starting” March 2001. So there goes that full steam BULLSHIT you see in every corrrectnotright post. This is why Puddy called him nutstootight. Well there are two issues with that declaration missed by correctnotright
    -a) A recession officially occurs after two quarters of negative growth. Cigarman was still preznit from September 2000 to January 20, 2001. Then a whole bunch of screaming bout who was preznit when the recession occurred by the HA Libtardo faithful who for the most part are chronological idiots like the dumb brick ylb aschloch.
    -b) No Bush budget was approved for use when he took office. Here is the first cut of the FY2002 budget before congress got hold of it. Of course you’ll never read about is from correctnotright. It blows part his useless mantra.

    3) Isn’t it curious how many of the HA Libtardo fools took President Bush to task for the bank bailout to now sing the tune of prosperity now?

    4) Yep Bush made somewhat of a mess of Iraq. But they Arabs knew if they attacked they would be attacked back. That’s why you had Nancy Pelosi performing peace missions to Syria… What a laugh.

    5) You libtardos forget the militant Al Qaeda 9/11 hijackers were already firmly seated and ensconced in the US during Cigarman’s term.

    6) So the guvmint borrows money. Not at the rate of Odumba’s administration. Also if you watched the pay-go video from Odumba 2/13/10, he raised the last year Bush deficit to new numbers when Odumba added much of the additional spending.

    7) The myth of Clinton surplus

    PuddySummary from the link above explodes another myth of correctnotright.

    Fiscal – Year
    Year – – Ending – – National Debt – – Deficit
    FY1993 – 09/30/93 – $4.411488T
    FY1994 – 09/30/94 – $4.692749T – $281.26B
    FY1995 – 09/29/95 – $4.973982T – $281.23B
    FY1996 – 09/30/96 – $5.224810T – $250.83B
    FY1997 – 09/30/97 – $5.413146T – $188.34B
    FY1998 – 09/30/98 – $5.526193T – $113.05B
    FY1999 – 09/30/99 – $5.656270T – $130.08B
    FY2000 – 09/29/00 – $5.674178T – $17.91B
    FY2001 – 09/28/01 – $5.807463T – $133.29B

    8) The stock market tanked the first part of 2009 fool. It’s historical fact. Shhh don’t wake up correctnotright… he still believes in hanging chads!

    Now what was he saying about him being a complete idiot again….

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    See how it’s done ylb arschloch. An argument based on facts. Whatamoron the dumb brick and the soon to be dumb brick correctnotright are!

    PS Puddy forgot to add this but the 5 minutes are not up. Nov 1995 Clinton shuts down Fed Gov’t over Gingrich proposing a balanced budget. Then when these “so called” balanced budgets appear Clinton takes the credit. What a crock. This is lost on correctnotright.

  17. 21

    GBS spews:

    Good news for America = Bad news for Reagan Reactionary Republicans.

    Hear that tapping sound?

    That’s Obama putting in yet another nail in the GOP coffin with is leadership on HCR today.

    Get the shovels ready, we’re going to start burying the GOP this November.

    No doubt Republicans have done everything to undermine progress for their own political power grab not caring what the American People are going through – ask Bunning.

    Endless filibusters on every issue.

    No on Stimulus package.

    No to workers.

    No to HCR

    NO NO NO NO will not win 50% + 1 in the elections this fall.

    Dumb asses.

  18. 22

    rhp6033 spews:

    Puddy @ # 9: So now you are crediting a one-day up-tick in the stock market on a single Democrat surrendering his committee leadership?

    Weren’t you the guy who was predicting in Jan. 2001 that everyone’s 401(K) plan was about to evaporate due to a sell-off on wall street as soon as Obama became President?

    I could be wrong – that might have been Cynical. It’s so hard to distinguish between the two of you.

  19. 23

    Puddybud is Sad my friend died spews:

    rhp6033…

    Ask the arschloch for the previous posts if you have any doubts… He has a full backup of Goldy’s HA Libtardo blog at his “home” for personal feckless chronologically misguided attacks.

    Go on rhp6033 ask him. Puddy dares ya! He won’t go there unless another libtardo asks.

    Light switch is now on!

  20. 24

    Puddybud is Sad my friend died spews:

    It’s so hard to distinguish between the two of you

    We are similar in the way we give you facts which destroy libtardo arguments.

  21. 25

    Puddybud is Sad my friend died spews:

    So now you are crediting a one-day up-tick in the stock market on a single Democrat surrendering his committee leadership?

    Puddy notices how you phrased it as a one-day up-tick. You mean there isn’t a “trend”?

  22. 26

    rhp6033 spews:

    And Goldy’s post is essentially true – that regardless of the details, a President usually gets the credit for a significant uptick in the economy, especially if people who have been out of work start getting jobs. The reverse is also true – a President will get the blame for a decline in the economy. It all goes back to Reagan’s debate challenge in 1980: “Are you better off than you were four years ago?”

    Despite the notoriously short memories of voters, most will remember that when Obama was inaugerated, we were in an economic collapse,the extent of which hadn’t been experienced since the Great Depression. It had been in progress for about a year and a half by that point, but had only become acute (i.e., worthy of making headlines in the news media), starting in August of 2000. Most voters are probably going to remember that although we aren’t out of the woods yet, the economic free-fall has stopped, and things are gradually getting better.

    As long as things continue to gradually improve at the current rate, Obama and the Democrats will get the credit and votes in the 2010 elections, despite the usual trend of voting against the party in charge during an off-year election. The Republicans will be left trying to argue that things are worse than they appear – something that neither party has been able to do very effectively in any election in the past 30 years.

  23. 27

    czechsaaz spews:

    Only time to deal with one of your pieces of B.S. today Pudwacker…

    “1) Bush was operating under Clintons FY2001 budget when 9/11 hit.”

    Economic Growth and Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2001 (AKA the Bush Tax Cuts set to expire next year) signed June 7, 2001.

    How did the Dow do from that date to Sept. 11?

    June 7, 2001 close 11,090.74

    The market loved the tax act so much that the next day…

    June 8, 2001 close 10,977.00

    Just for ease, let’s now go weekly on Fridays…

    Jun 15, 2001 close 10,623.64
    June 22, 2001 close 10,604.91
    June 29, 2001 close 10,502.40
    July 6, 2001 close 10,252.68
    July 13, 2001 close 10,539.06 (good week)
    July 20, 2001 close 10,576.65
    July 27, 2001 close 10,416.67
    Aug 3, 2001 close 10,512.78
    Aug 10, 2001 close 10,416.25
    Aug 17, 2001 close 10,240.78
    Aug 24, 2001 close 10,423.17
    Aug 31, 2001 close 9,949.75
    Sept 7, 2001 close 9,605.85

    And finally Sept. 10, 2001 close 9,605.91

    So how did the Dow react to Bush’s first major piece of financial re-tooling, AKA the tax cut vs. where it stood under Clinton’s holdover financial policies? Well initially about an 800 point drop. Then you get a little over a month holding around a 600 point drop threshold. Then you see an additional 900 points shed in the run-up to Sept. 11th. After that, even I will concede all bets are off on what happened to the market.

    So to summarize, Bush inherited a Dow near 11,000. Then Bush passed his major budgetary priority (tax cuts, tax cuts, tax cuts) in June and the Dow drops 14,000 points in just 3 short months.

    But of course, that’s Clinton’s fault.

  24. 28

    rhp6033 spews:

    Puddy @ 26 said: “Puddy notices how you phrased it as a one-day up-tick. You mean there isn’t a “trend”?”

    It was your comment @ # 9 where you said “The stock market shot up today….” , which you credited to one item in the news today.

    Of course, the stock market can go up on some days and down on others, for any number of reasons which may or many not appear in the news that day. I usually don’t bother to take notice of a one-day movement in either direction, unless it is in excess of the 300 point range.

    It looks like today’s closing numbers show the DJIA actually droppin 9.22 points today. Except for the fact that it is a statistically insignificant amount, using your own logic we could argue that Wall Street was dissapointed in Rangel dropping his committee leadership position.

    Now, if you want to discuss trends, let’s point out that under the four years of the George W. Bush administration the DJIA LOST 2,306.77 points. In comparison, during the little over a year of the Obama administration, the DJIA has GAINED 2,115.54 points, almost wiping out the losses under the Bush administration.

  25. 29

    lostinaseaofblue spews:

    Can’t speak for Puddy, but the Dow really doesn’t matter.

    What matters is Main Street and the countless small businesses and their employees hurt by the recession. This will be the source of voter anger in the fall. This will be what you on the left need to worry about.

    Wall Street doesn’t care which batch of clowns run the circus in Washington. They only want to know how to strategize around the fools to make money. Upticks and downturns occur when major political news comes out. Then they get down to the business of working around slimy snake oil salesmen like Obama.

    And the recession wasn’t a Bush recession. (It is a recession, not in any way comparable to the Great Depression. It isn’t markedly worse even than the recession of the early 80’s.) It was and is a normal event in economic cycles for which smart people prepare. Under leftists like Obama they do this so that their hard earned savings can be stolen, sure, but they prepare nonetheless.

    And stop with the partisan bullshit. I didn’t hear a single leftist critisize the fools who wished us ill in Iraq from the left. I didn’t hear a single shout of left leaning protest when the insane morons blamed 911 on the US. I didn’t hear a single one of you talk about how good this recession had been for democrat majorities, which would have been impossible without it. Hypocrites.

  26. 30

    lostinaseaofblue spews:

    Re 26

    With most of what you write I agree. Presidents get the credit or blame for any good news on their watch, regardless of whether it can be attributed to them.

    Your conclusion in paragraph 2 is patently false. This is in no way comparable to the Great Depression, and is very comparable to the downturn during the notoriously poorly run Carter Administration.

    And your third paragraph is wishful thinking. Democrats will likely take a beating this fall. Unfortunately you underestimate the short attention span of the average voter, and Obama and dems will likely do well in 2012. Another 4 years of the snake oil salesman…

  27. 31

    lostinaseaofblue spews:

    Re 19

    Don’t count on it. Goldy is in no sense a journalist, more a propagandist. If the news doesn’t fit his particular world view he ignores it. If it does to even a tiny degree he trumpets it like it’s the second coming.

  28. 32

    Zotz spews:

    FYI: Pete Stark (yes the Pete Stark who speaks truth to power) is the new Ways and Means chair.

    Zotz Comment: This’ll make wingnut heads explode. And he’s an atheist according to The Hill. Doubly sweet. Finally we’ll have someone really progressive and rational handling the money. Whoo-Hoo!

  29. 33

    czechsaaz spews:

    Hey Lost @29

    Ask Puddy to find you examples of “truther = birther statements Both are equally nuts.” The argument has been made here.

    And as is typical, you conflate thinking that going to Iraq was moronic with wishing ill on our troops/country. As I’ve said hundreds of times, would I prefer Saddam was still in power? No. Would I prefer the No-fly zones were intact and Saddam’s influence on World affairs was about equal to the Mayor of Bagdad’s while trillions of U.S. Tax dollars (err….deficit exploding bonds sold to the Chinese) and 20,000 U.S. soldiers were still alive if the downside is Saddam were still alive? Given the choice between Saddam in power and the costs the economy has born removing him, I still go with Iraq was a huge mistake without even factoring in the Al Queda recruitment tool that Iraq became.

    And I guess you’re right. The recession has been good for the left politically. Show the public what unfettered Reagonomics brings and they make a different choice. Are we supposed to feel guilty that Republican controlled Executive and Legislative policies wrecked the economy and led to Democratic electoral gains?

    It took me about a second of Googling to find a quote from the most lefty or lefties…

    “Crazy people who still think the government brought down the Twin Towers in a controlled explosion have to stop pretending that I’m the one who’s being naïve. How big a lunatic do you have to be to watch two giant airliners packed with jet fuel slam into buildings on live TV, igniting a massive inferno that burned for two hours, and then think, ‘well, if you believe that was the cause…'” Bill Maher

    Thanks for playing.

  30. 34

    czechsaaz spews:

    @27

    My bad. 1,400 not 14,000. 14,000 and Roger Rabbit would be stealing Yakima apples to sell for a nickel each while wearing a barrel.

  31. 35

    lostinaseaofblue spews:

    Re 32

    Zotz, I don’t care what an evangelical atheist like you thinks he thinks. And I’m not going to rise to the bait, except to say that your boys on the left really don’t get it. Voter anger directed at too much government with too strong a liberal bias? I know, let’s appoint the nuttiest of the lot to run Ways and Means. Only under a Pelosi Reich.

    Re 33

    Clarifications seem in order. I think vigorous debate from both ends of the political spectrum lead to a world most Americans can stand to live in. They don’t want the extremes of the left or the right, contrary to the wishful thinking of either. They watch in bemusement as arcane philosophical points are fought over, lift a beer, shrug and go about their lives.

    I wasn’t talking about debate about the advisability of Iraq. I was talking about specific voices from the left trying to demean and belittle the soldiers who had no legal choice but to fight. I wasn’t talking about 911 Truthers, who seem to ooze from the mud regardless of political affilitation. I was talking about the leftist professors and talking heads saying American policy caused it and we deserved it. I was talking about the ‘bad for America is good for my party line Goldy alledges and his utter hypocrisy in doing so. Obama would never have been elected, nor the Congress take such a Plimsoll Line loading of Dems had the economy not deteriorated.

    Those are what we call facts. Not opinions, or partisan hatred or political grandstanding.

  32. 36

    czechsaaz spews:

    @35

    I don’t recall any PROMINANT left voices demeaning soldiers. I’m sure you can find me some isolated cases but most of what we heard was along the lines of “Support the Troops, Hate the War.” (And don’t give me John Kerry’s crappy joke about getting stuck in Iraq. We know he was referring to a specific person, not soldiers in general.)

    And in the non-Righty reality based world things are not black and white. What was the reason Bin Laden has stated as his #1 beef with the U.S.? That’s right, the decision to put permanent bases in Saudi Arabia AKA The Holy Land. So there is a valid argument to be made that 9/11 was the result of U.S. Policy. I did, and will continue to, disagree with anyone who claims that said policies mean the U.S. deserved the attack. It’s the same as acknowledging that the late 19th and early 20th centuries practice of sending the Marines to Latin America to support/back up/install the United Fruit Company PROBABLY caused the dislike for America that is/was so rampant among the non-ruling class in many Central American countries.

    My biggest beef with the media in the post 9/11 atmosphere was the idea that any attempt to understand why people target the U.S. was deemed un-American. It is possible to love your country and want to make the world love it too or make it better. That involves understanding other cultures.

  33. 37

    Puddybud is Sad my friend died spews:

    Puddy will obliterate this fool with facts…

    chechsaaz is a moron like always…

    Economic Growth and Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2001 (AKA the Bush Tax Cuts set to expire next year) signed June 7, 2001.

    This is for a BIG HORSESASS! FY2001 budget began 1 Oct 2000 to 30 Sept 2001. Dats da fax fool!

    Now for the other screeds…

    Yep the Dow went from there to the record high 14,164.53 October 9, 2007. So what ya dummy. At the time the country was in Clinton’s recession. It started Sept 2000! Did you miss the memo?

  34. 38

    Puddybud is Sad my friend died spews:

    Ask Puddy to find you examples of “truther = birther statements Both are equally nuts.” The argument has been made here.

    Do it yourself checksaaz

  35. 39

    Puddybud is Sad my friend died spews:

    Using checksaaz logic…

    Odumba signs the Porkulus Feb 17, 2009 for $787 Billion during FY 2009 budget.

    Odumba signs the $410 billion earmark bill March 11, 2009 during FY 2009 budget.

    DUH!

  36. 40

    spews:

    37 – Wrong as always…

    While some of the tax changes in the 2001 bill were not growth-oriented, the rate cuts and savings provisions were important reforms. But the 2001 law included complex rules regarding when certain tax changes would be in effect. The estate tax, for example, was repealed for 2010 but then reinstated in 2011. All the 2001 tax cuts are set to expire at the end of 2010 unless Congress acts to extend them.

    http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=6621

  37. 41

    Puddybud is Sad my friend died spews:

    What is the arschloch saying @40?

    Puddy didn’t broach the tax cut commentary fool, checksaaz did. Go back to post #27 moron! This is almost as good as your “… dancing on the grave of Mike Webb…” rant. You know what you wrote. That too was chronologically deficient. Go and search your personal home copy of the full Goldy HA blog you meticulously update everyday.

    So if you are saying checksaaz is WRONG… Puddy will agree with you, otherwise… once again you prove you are a chronological idiot.

    ylb arschloch, don’t write on this blog. Peeps will give you the benefit of the doubt. When you write all doubt disappears. They immediately determine… you are an IDIOT!

  38. 42

    lostinaseaofblue spews:

    The fundamental hypocrisy remains totally unanswered, the balance only partially responded to.

    No, I don’t know that Kerry was referring to a specific soldier, nor do I believe his basic attitude wasn’t reflected in that comment. It showed in his blatant disloyalty and lying about his men after Vietnam. It shows in the general elitist attitude of the left.

    That attitude is that the common voter is too stupid, uninformed, naive or what have you to know what’s good for them. They need taken care of, and someone needs to do their thinking for them, poor dears.

    The left claims to be egalitarian. Nothing could be farthur from the truth. They want a reiteration of the drab, sould destroying Old Soviet. We’ve seen it tried and seen the results, but that doesn’t stop a certain class of small minded mediocrities. They hate and fear ability and success so much they want to destroy it in the name of ‘fairness.’

    Progressivism is the world view of the mediocre. It’s the world view of someone who has made a choice. In viewing greatness in art, literature, industry or academia the vast majority of us who are mediocre can choose one of two paths. They can try to emulate it and better themselves. Or they can try to limit and shackle it to make themselves feel better when they are in fact not. Conservatives choose the former, progressives the latter.

  39. 44

    lostinaseaofblue spews:

    Sorry to be so passionate about this but my taste in almost all forms of human endeavor is pre-progressive. That’s because in reading about great men, admiring great paintings or sculpture, being awed by magnificent architecture or the intricate form of an automotive motor I see what’s best in humanity. I want to see this, not the Mona Lisa with a mustache, or a ‘sculpture’ in the Vatican Gardens shaped like a damn egg in the midst of 3 millenia of what’s best in sculpture. I want to read about uncommon men doing uncommon things. I don’t want to read about mechanics milling brake pads, or meat packing plants, or just sheer nonsense ala Ionesco. I want to admire the cathedral in Munich or Firenze or Vienna, not some bastardized lunacy like the EMP. It is the human soul at stake in your silly games, it is that you diminish, whether you intend to or not with your attitudes and the policies that spring from them.

    Sorry of this offends. It isn’t meant to. I understand progressives and liberals act from good intentions, but we know what the road to hell is paved with.

  40. 45

    czechsaaz spews:

    @37

    Puddy, string a coherent thought together. So in your world, actions taken by a corporation (or government) in the middle of a fiscal year have no effect on the year in which they are made? Really Pud. You want to argue that no president ever takes over economic policy until October 1 of the year following his inauguration? That’s the latest talking point?

    So if a company reports a net gain in Q1 and Q2 but invests heavily in machinery or inventory and posts a net loss in Q3 and Q4, they DON’T get avail themselves of the tax benefits of re-investment because the decision was made during the during the current fiscal year and only decisions made before the commencement of the fiscal year count? Those losses can only be reported in the FOLLOWING FY?

    That’s how financial transactions work in your world?

    So Stimulus money distributed in February and March of ’09 only affect fiscal year 2010? That’s how it works?

    Did you take an Accounting 101 course at any point in your education?

  41. 46

    Puddybud is Sad my friend died spews:

    No checksaaz,

    You’ll always be our horsesASS. Puddy will not be following either.

    Get it?

  42. 47

    Puddybud is Sad my friend died spews:

    checksaaz,

    The Fed government fiscal year is 1 October through 30 September. The president at the time is credited with that budget, even though a new president takes office while that budget is active. Apparently Civics Class was play time for you. Were you toking? Regarding other bills etc, they get added to the existing budget. Butt in this case they are Odumba’s additions since he is preznit.

    Where does Goldy find these leftist morons?

  43. 48

    czechsaaz spews:

    @47

    So Pudwacker? You’ve just argued that actions taken by Obama in FY 2009 are added to Fiscal Policy 2009 but actions taken by GW Shrub in FY 2001 don’t count toward FY 2001?

    Where does society find such imbeciles?

    Answer the question! Is any president able to direct fiscal policy prior to October following inauguration?

  44. 49

    rhp6033 spews:

    “I wasn’t talking about debate about the advisability of Iraq. I was talking about specific voices from the left trying to demean and belittle the soldiers who had no legal choice but to fight.”

    If there were any voices from the left trying to demean and belittle soldiers fighting in Iraq, I sure didn’t hear it. I heard lots of allegations from the right to that effect, but they were mostly attempts to either stifle debate about the public policy of going to war, or an attempt to create a straw man for the right-wingers to hate.

    As I’ve mentioned here in the past, my nephew finished his final summer ROTC camp at Ft. Lewis about three years ago. My family attended the graduation ceremony (my sister & her husband being unable to attend from across the country). Afterwards, we took him to Seattle where we did a quick tour of the Pike Place Market, then on to Everett where we took him to lunch at Arnies. Afterwards we drove him back to SeaTac for him to catch his plane back home (I had to promise his commander he wouldn’t miss his flight).

    He was a little nervous because he didn’t have time to change out of his uniform. Afterwards he explained that he had been told that Seattle was a left-wing town where everyone hated the military. But as he toured the Pike Place market, he was amazed as dozens stopped to shake his hand and thank him for his service – even including some of the vendors at the market who looked more like they came straight from Woodstock in 1969.

    When we went to dinner at Arnies, the waitress informed us that the couple at the next table (who had already departed) had paid for his meal.

    Now, this was all post Abu-Grahab, at the height of the debate over the Iraq war.

  45. 50

    Puddybud is Sad my friend died spews:

    Man where do they find morons such as checksaaz? Where did Puddy say anything like what checksaaz ventured in @48?

    No where on this blog.

  46. 51

    Puddybud is Sad my friend died spews:

    rhp6033, there are nice peeps in the world. I’ve been on planes (read more than one) where everyone in First Class abandoned and switched their seats so the military personnel could fly up front.

  47. 52

    Puddybud is Sad my friend died spews:

    Once again checksaaaz, how do you explain the deficit for FY2000 when Clinton told the world there was a “surplus”?

    Another in the line of dumb brick morons!

  48. 53

    lebowski spews:

    @49….RHP, will all due respect, there were MANY voices on the left who belittled(calling them stupid rednecks – given the fact that there is a large percentage of soldiers from the southeast), calling them murderers, etc..and generally directing their displeasure about the war against the soldiers.

    Gee, sounds eerily reminiscent of Vietnam, doesnt it? The same band of far left freaks spitting on soldiers, etc….

    Now, in now way am I saying you feel this way, because its obvious you do not.

  49. 54

    czechsaaz spews:

    @50

    Playing the “I didn’t say that” card when nailed again Pudwacker?

    “Bush was operating under Clintons FY2001 budget when 9/11 hit.” If, by your own quote, you weren’t trying to imply that Bush is not responsible for any fiscal decisions prior to October 2001, please illuminate for us what your comment was about?

    @52 Changing the subject doesn’t get you off the hook. Find where I addressed a surplus claim anywhere? (Puddy – “Shit, I have no argument…Oh look over there, there’s a shiny distraction. Pay no attention to my previous lunacy!” (“Once again?!? First time you asked.)

    @53 Please find for me a single prominent Lefty who called the troops “stupid rednecks.” I’d like to see your source. Or is this just another, “I want it to be true, therefore I will cite it as truth” meme.

  50. 55

    Steve spews:

    @53 “there were MANY voices on the left who belittled(calling them stupid rednecks – given the fact that there is a large percentage of soldiers from the southeast), calling them murderers, etc..and generally directing their displeasure about the war against the soldiers.”

    With all due respect, it’s common knowledge that many Republicans piss on the caskets of our dead troops. These Republicans do this because they hate America and everything it stands for, including Mom and apple pie. That’s just one reason why they secretly support the Islamic Jihad. I also suspect that it has something to do with why Republicans wear strange animal costumes in the dark of night.

    You make shit up, then I make shit up. Since you lack imagination, you lose. Sigh! It’s truly a boring game you play.

  51. 56

    Ekim spews:

    ButtPutty @20

    2) The recession has been documented as “starting” March 2001. So there goes that full steam BULLSHIT you see in every corrrectnotright post. This is why Puddy called him nutstootight. Well there are two issues with that declaration missed by correctnotright
    -a) A recession officially occurs after two quarters of negative growth. Cigarman was still preznit from September 2000 to January 20, 2001. Then a whole bunch of screaming bout who was preznit when the recession occurred by the HA Libtardo faithful who for the most part are chronological idiots like the dumb brick ylb aschloch.

    Enron and friends ran up the cost of electrical power in California by %1000 starting around February of 2001, right after the Bush appointees took over control of energy market regulation.

    That sudden and unexpected price increase is what stalled the California economy and caused the California recession. Bush and company denied everything up until Maria Cantwell produced the first documentation of how Enron and friends were manipulating the market to run up the cost of electricity.

  52. 57

    spews:

    Puddy didn’t broach the tax cut commentary fool

    Yes you did moron – in 37… You quoted him in order to attack him and everything in the quote was true.

    When you write all doubt disappears.

    Exactly! IN YOUR CASE, “all doubt disappears” that you’re PSYCHOTIC!!

  53. 59

    lebowski spews:

    @55…cmon dude…do you want me to actually post the links to lefty protest signs calling our troops stupid and murderers? cmon now…

    the far left hates the military in general.. I know it, you know it, and they know it.

  54. 60

    lebowski spews:

    @58…STFU you freak…so really, are you turning tricks yet? I’m sure there a few self-loathers here that would live a spin the sack with Racist YLB…

  55. 62

    Blue John spews:

    @ 56. Ekim spews: That sudden and unexpected price increase is what stalled the California economy and caused the California recession. Bush and company denied everything up until Maria Cantwell produced the first documentation of how Enron and friends were manipulating the market to run up the cost of electricity.
    Notice there is not a word, a peep, a blip of comment from our conservative posters about that.

  56. 63

    czechsaaz spews:

    @56 & 62

    …and removed a Democratic Governor, and allowed the FERC to blatantly override contract law (if a contract is signed and the contract is knowingly fraudulent to one party, said contract is void), caused untold “lost” productivity due to manipulated “brownouts” and on and on.

    Crickets? Hello? Is this thing on?

  57. 64

    Puddybud is Sad my friend died spews:

    Is checksaaz this moronic all the time.

    Checksaaz it seems Puddy has to s l o w l y explain it to you…

    2001 Tax rebates went against your 2001 tax return. They were called “2001 advance tax payment checks”. They were $300 for singles or $600 for married peeps. Remember? So when do you file your 2001 tax return checksaaz? In 2002. What budget is active when you file checksaaz? FY2002 Bush’s first budget.

    Golly this guy is a moron. Mike Rogers is calling you checksaaz!

  58. 65

    Puddybud is Sad my friend died spews:

    Oh my the leftist goatfucker ekim has arrived. How’s dem hemorrhoids ekim?

    So you are saying the electricity rate fiasco in CA caused a $133 Billion deficit in Clinton’s FY2001 budget?

    Do tell goatfucker!

  59. 66

    Puddybud is Sad my friend died spews:

    Oh lookie here remember Puddy said in post #23:

    Light switch is now on.
    ?

    ylb arschloch went back to links. First post of the day he turned on links. Pavlov Puddy calls this fools every move.

    How long will links stay active arschloch?
    Such a feckless moron!

  60. 67

    Puddybud is Sad my friend died spews:

    For checksaaz and ylb arschloch…

    Puddy remembers an arschloch complaining to Cynical over his reference to a Stamn link and ylb arschloch cried out of his arschloch about him not writing it just using it. Now when caught in this thread he takes a different approach, crying fowl and the useless meat grinder checksaaz has nothing useful to say.

    Typical so typical.

    Now pay close attention as the arschloch will scream prove it. Look it up in your daily updated personally saved backup of Goldy’s HA blog fool!

  61. 68

    Puddybud is Sad my friend died spews:

    For ekim and blue john

    NEW YORK (CNNfn) – Previously unreleased audio tapes and accounting records indicate that Enron manipulated the western electricity market 88 percent of the days between Jan. 1, 2000, and June 20, 2001, according to the Snohomish County Public Utility District in Washington state.

    Golly that started a whole year before Bush was president. No wonder we don’t need to speak to it.

    What a bunch of TARDS! Thanks for making some point, but we who think right are not sure what these two DUMMOCRAPTS were trying to say!

  62. 69

    Ekim spews:

    59. lebowski spews:

    the far left hates the military in general.. I know it, you know it, and they know it.

    And the wacky reich just loves the the military. That is why they take such good care of the troops when they come home torn up and in need of medical care. Do you remember the Walter Reed Army Medical Center neglect scandal?

    Initial exposure

    The Washington Post published a series of articles beginning February 18, 2007, outlining cases of neglect at Walter Reed reported by wounded soldiers and their family members. Although the article focused primarily on Building 18, a former hotel building just outside the post’s main gates, authors Dana Priest and Anne Hull also included complaints about “disengaged clerks, unqualified platoon sergeants and overworked managers” that make navigating the already complicated bureaucracy to obtain medical care at WRAMC even more daunting. Although Army officials claimed to be surprised at these conditions, a Salon.com series beginning in January 2005 had previously exposed them. Two members of Congress, C.W. Bill Young, R-Fla, and Tom Davis, R-Va, admitted they had been briefed on the matter in 2004 but did not investigate the matter to avoid embarrassing the Army. In 2004 and 2005, articles appeared in the Post and in Salon interviewing First Lt. Julian Goodrum about his court martial for seeking medical care elsewhere due to poor conditions at WRAMC.

    Oh, feel the love.

  63. 70

    Ekim spews:

    ButtPutty squeaks:

    Previously unreleased audio tapes and accounting records indicate that Enron manipulated the western electricity market 88 percent of the days between Jan. 1, 2000, and June 20, 2001, according to the Snohomish County Public Utility District in Washington state.

    Golly that started a whole year before Bush was president. No wonder we don’t need to speak to it.

    Oh, you got me. Enron was guilty of criminal activity even before Bush took office. I’ll give you that. You’re making a good case for much tighter regulation of the industry.

    But we’re talking about 2001. By the Spring of 2001 we knew the Northwest was short on water and as a consequence we stopped selling electricity to California that Spring. This gave the crooks all they needed to control the market…

    From Wikipedia: In the summer of 2001 a drought in the northwest states reduced the amount of hydroelectric power available to California. Though at no point during the crisis was California’s sum of [actual electric-generating capacity]+[out of state supply] less than demand, California’s energy reserves were low enough that during peak hours the private industry which owned power-generating plants could effectively hold the State hostage by shutting down their plants for “maintenance” in order to manipulate supply and demand. These critical shutdowns often occurred for no other reason than to force California’s electricity grid managers into a position where they would be forced to purchase electricity on the “spot market”, where private generators could charge astronomical rates. Even though these rates were semi-regulated and tied to the price of natural gas, the companies (which included Enron and Reliant Energy) controlled the supply of natural gas as well. Manipulation by the industry of natural gas prices resulted in higher electricity rates that could be charged under the semi-regulations.

    And Bush and company did nothing.

  64. 71

    czechsaaz spews:

    @64

    Thanks for arguing AGAINST your position Pudwacker. So checks distributed in 2001 count toward FY 2001 but somehow major economic policy changes enacted in 2001 DON’T count until FY 2002?

    The approximately $38B distributed by those 2001 checks were part of Clinton’s budget? Really? Clinton wrote the rebate into the FY2001 budget before leaving office? Well then hell, I guess we should all thank Bill for the summer shopping spree.

    So changes in policy that do affect expenditures such as the Faith Based programs instituted by executive order in January of ’01 were part of Clinton’s budget?

    Still avoiding the question. Can any President affect fiscal/monetary/taxation/budget policies prior to the October following inauguration? Are all incoming Presidents, as your continuing argument insists, hamstrung by the economic policies of their predecessors until the following FY?