Another Madisonian

Another day, another horrendous shooting.

Several people were shot, one of them fatally, by a gunman outside the Empire State Building shortly after 9 a.m. on Friday, according to the police and city officials. The gunman was killed by the police, officials said.

One city official said that eight people were wounded.

“There are two people on site dead, a civilian and the gunman,” said the official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to provide information to the media.

While the details are still murky, I think we can all agree that the shooter knew exactly what the founders were going for when they wrote the Second Amendment.

Comments

  1. 1

    Liberal Scientist is a a dirty fucking hippie, and THE SPAWN OF SATAN (acocrding to resident Bibul-thumper puddles) spews:

    I’m sure the shooter was part of a ‘well-regulated militia…”

  2. 2

    spews:

    The founders were going for people being allowed to defend themselves with any suitable tool they can get. In New York they are not allowed. How is what you said relevant again?

  3. 3

    Liberal Scientist is a a dirty fucking hippie, and THE SPAWN OF SATAN (acocrding to resident Bibul-thumper puddles) spews:

    I’m also sure the shooter used a muzzle-loading Brown Bess.

  4. 4

    Liberal Scientist is a a dirty fucking hippie, and THE SPAWN OF SATAN (acocrding to resident Bibul-thumper puddles) spews:

    How is what you said relevant again?

    I think perhaps the one defining feature of a right-winger/Teahaddist/Republican is very VERY concrete thinking – the inability to see and interpret accurately relationships that exist 2 or 3 or 4 orders beyond that which is happening directly to one’s self, and/or the inability to grasp nuance or subtlety.

  5. 5

    Gman spews:

    Guns are only part of the equation. Humans are the other part. You have to ask what is happening to humans? More hate brings about disrespect for life. Keep hating. Abortions should be illegal – every fetus should be given the opportunity to be murdered by a air breathing barbarians.

  6. 6

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @5 You’re absolutely right! Get rid of humans, not guns! Guns aren’t a problem without humans. After you humans exterminate each other, rabbits will run this place, and I’ll be their king! I can’t wait.

  7. 7

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Anders Brievik, a rightwing “Second Amendment Solutions” fanatic, got 21 years from a Norwegian judge for slaughtering
    77 people, mostly children.

  8. 8

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Well at least we managed to go for a few days this week without waking up to headlines about a mass shooting. But I knew it wouldn’t last and it didn’t. How long before the next one?

    There are too many guns circulating in our country, and too many of them are in the wrong hands. Thanks for nothing NRA and Second Amendment nuts.

    The Republican “solution” is to introduce legislation in Congress immunizing gun makers against lawsuits by victims and their families. That’s like giving Napolean a “Get Out Of Exile Free” card.

  9. 9

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Okay, enough of mass murder and mayhem, what else is in the news (besides Lance Armstrong) today?

  10. 10

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Er, this …

    “Nineteen people were wounded in at least seven shootings within eight hours overnight Thursday in Chicago, police said. Eight of them, mostly teenagers, were struck in … a drive-by shooting …. Two 14-year-old boys, a 15 year-old boy, two 16-year-old boys and a 19-year-old woman were taken to area hospitals ….”

    http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_new.....icago?lite

  11. 11

    Liberal Scientist is a a dirty fucking hippie, and THE SPAWN OF SATAN (acocrding to resident Bibul-thumper puddles) spews:

    …at least seven shootings within eight hours overnight Thursday in Chicago…

    Cue puddles chiming in to blame Obama…

  12. 12

    MikeBoyScout spews:

    Be sure to send a thank-you note to the National Riffle Association and any of your acquaintances that belong to the NRA.

  13. 13

    Liberal Scientist is a a dirty fucking hippie, and THE SPAWN OF SATAN (acocrding to resident Bibul-thumper puddles) spews:

    Anders Brievik, a rightwing “Second Amendment Solutions” fanatic, got 21 years from a Norwegian judge for slaughtering
    77 people, mostly children.

    When did the verdict come down? Did he try an insanity defense?

    Just as honor killings and burkhas are an expected consequence of misogynistic fundamentalism taken to its logical conclusion, as our resident theocrats advocate, Brievik is a consequence of rabid right-wing eliminationist rhetoric married to access to guns.

  14. 14

    Deathfrogg spews:

    About the NYC shooting, apparently the gunman fired a single shot into his targeted victim, and the rest of the casualties were caused by the NYPD firing into a crowd at the man as he was running away.

    Will keep reading on this.

  15. 15

    Michael spews:

    @2
    The founders restricted firearms ownership to free white males who swore a loyalty oath to the American government and promised to show up on the double with their guns to defend the government when called.

  16. 16

    rhp6033 spews:

    # 14: If true, the entire NYPD needs to have their weapons taking away from them for a one-month “stand down” while everyone receives new training.

    My first lessons in gun safety as an eight-year old were to treat every gun as if it’s loaded and to keep it pointed away from everyone. The next lesson was to make sure your background and fields of fire to the right and left are clear before opening fire.

  17. 17

    Liberal Scientist is a a dirty fucking hippie, and THE SPAWN OF SATAN (acocrding to resident Bibul-thumper puddles) spews:

    @15
    Follow the link to his fairly stale blog (last update 2010) and then to the LinkedIn and Facebook links – the former has some hilarious business-process speak:

    Ambitious, driven and resourceful business strategist and I.T. leader with an exemplary background in conceiving and developing unique initiatives to propel technology to the limit and optimize performance. Capable of tackling the most challenging I.T. issues and delivering results. Creative, recognized for keeping on the leading edge of technology and utilizing the latest applications and hardware. Results and performance driven, thrives in an environment of constant challenge and diversity. Articulate, breaks the technology barrier down, acts as the conduit between customer and the technical experts. Industrious, exudes energy and confidence, motivates and mentors team members to succeed and deliver quality work within strict specifications, time lines and budgets.

    …and the latter ‘likes’ of Michelle Malkin, Hayek, von Mises, and pajamasmedia.

    Oh boy!

    (We should have a contest to see if any more cliches could be shoehorned into that paragraph above!)

  18. 18

    Liberal Scientist is a a dirty fucking hippie, and THE SPAWN OF SATAN (acocrding to resident Bibul-thumper puddles) spews:

    Can one both keep “on the leading edge of technology” and “break the technology barrier down” at the same time?

    Aren’t there relativistic physics rules against this?

  19. 19

    Michael spews:

    @17
    I’ve worked with guys like that over the years, they tend to not get a lot done and are full of lame excuses.

  20. 20

    MikeBoyScout spews:

    Off topic, but over at (un)Sound they are having a fund raiser for hinges.

    @23 pudge says

    And yes, of course a woman’s body CAN reject a pregnancy due to emotional state of the woman. Duh. No one denies this: that’s why pregnant women under a lot of emotional stress are often placed under a doctor’s care to protect the child.

    unfkin believable!

  21. 23

    Liberal Scientist is a a dirty fucking hippie, and THE SPAWN OF SATAN (acocrding to resident Bibul-thumper puddles) spews:

    @20

    I love when the raw insanity, the unvarnished stupidity is revealed for all to see.

    *shaking head*

  22. 24

    kim jong chillin spews:

    @13

    Maybe you should study up on norwegian fireams laws, “scientist”(insert laughter here)

    Leave to the far leftnuts to somehow connect the 2nd amendment to a crime in norway comitted by a norwegian…

    Reaching much………

  23. 25

    Liberal Scientist is a a dirty fucking hippie, and THE SPAWN OF SATAN (acocrding to resident Bibul-thumper puddles) spews:

    Kim Jong Dipshit

    Brievik was manifestly an eliminationist, and equally manifestly, he had a gun.

    I said nothing about the 2nd Amendment, WRT Brievik.

    Go back to your goatshed.

  24. 26

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @14 The city’s gonna get to pay lots of money to those shot by the cops. NYC has one of the world’s highest concentrations of lawyers.

  25. 27

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    It took a lot of work, but it appears (u)SP finally deleted my comment. I asked pudge,

    “And for an encore, you’ll prove the earth is flat?”

    I can’t find it. It’s gone. Maybe that’s just a computer glitch, or maybe someone over there has a thin skin.

  26. 28

    Liberal Scientist is a a dirty fucking hippie, and THE SPAWN OF SATAN (acocrding to resident Bibul-thumper puddles) spews:

    Maybe that’s just a computer glitch, or maybe someone over there has a thin skin.

    Heh. You have to ask?

  27. 29

    Michael spews:

    If some of those shot do turnout to have been shot by the police, does it spell the end of Bloomberg as mayor?

  28. 30

    Deathfrogg spews:

    @ 29

    Possible. Guliani was brought down by the revealing of his “street crimes unit” that was barely anything other than a death squad for the NYPD. During the course of its existence, the SCU was responsible for over 400 Police shootings, many of them of people who were just running away. When it came out in the press about them firing over 90 rounds into an unarmed man, many of those after he was dead on the ground, Guliani tried every public-relations trick in the book to get the story suppressed or spun in a way favorable to his campaign.

    All Bloomberg had to do was point out the fact that Guliani’s entire campaign was based on his actions during and immediately after 9/11, when the radios didn’t work inside the very building that he’d spent nearly $200 million building an entire backup Police Command Center in, had been hit by a large aircraft. All that after Guliani had campaigned on that very fact back when he was running against Cuomo, after the first WTC bombing.

    Guliani is a serious persona non grata in New York City amongst the citizenry. They fuckin HATE the guy.

  29. 32

    Michael spews:

    @30
    Guliani’s never impressed me. Up until lately when he’s gone a bit “Vladimir Putin” I’ve liked Bloomberg.

  30. 33

    Deathfrogg spews:

    Bloomberg is a competent man. Unfortunately, the City has long since been almost totally unmanageable just due to it’s sheer size. It really is an incredibly massive metropolis.

    I’ve never been to the Apple. But I do know a lot of folks who were born and raised there, and until they saw the Pacific Northwest or the beaches in Southern California, never thought they would ever leave it. New Yorkers have a seriously bipolar view of their own city. They love it more than anything, but they really just cannot stand it. My uncle lived there for many years while he was in graduate school. I know he loves the City. But he never wants to ever go back.

  31. 34

    Steve spews:

    @20 Worse, there are a bunch of people lying to Pudge on that thread. And poor Rags, she’s reduced to chanting that the Democrats are “The Party of Death” over and over (she likes to do that bold thang). And someone calling himself “the Lonesome Goatherder” is giving Pudge fits. Too much!

    All in all, not a bad thread.

  32. 35

    Puddybud spews:

    I think perhaps the one defining feature of a right-winger/Teahaddist/Republican is very VERY concrete thinking – the inability to see and interpret accurately relationships that exist 2 or 3 or 4 orders beyond that which is happening directly to one’s self, and/or the inability to grasp nuance or subtlety.

    Does anyone have a decoder ring for this Lib da schmuch bullshit?

  33. 36

    Puddybud spews:

    “The Party of Death”

    Steve,

    Personally I have no problem with libtardos performing donkoinfanticide. Please keep culling your herd. The fewer rujax, buttspigots, ekims, rhpee6033, Lib da schmucks; especially headless lucy and his multiple doppelganger identities, Fraggys, DUMB Wabbit’s, etc. the better the world will be!

  34. 37

    Puddybud spews:

    Anders Brievik, a rightwing “Second Amendment Solutions” fanatic

    Then

    I said nothing about the 2nd Amendment, WRT Brievik.

    Interesting how Lib da schmuck makes these wild ass claims!

  35. 38

    K spews:

    Investigators believe at least 7 of those 16 bullets struck the gunman, said Paul J. Browne, the Police Department’s chief spokesman. But the officers also struck some, if not all, of the nine bystanders who were wounded.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08.....=1&hp

    I’m not quite as critical as some others of the police here. We don’t know enough. My question is how, if trained officers hit bystanders can anyone in their right mind argue that armed citizens shooting their personal firearms in a crime situation is a good idea? The idea that an armed citizenry somehow makes us safer is truly absurd. How much more collateral damage would there be.

  36. 39

    Puddybud spews:

    My question is how, if trained officers hit bystanders

    When was the last time those NY police officers were range qualified K? Why don’t you check that out before disparaging gun owners?

  37. 40

    Deathfrogg spews:

    Video of the last few seconds of the incident. The police did react exactly as they are trained to do. New York is just too damn crowded. I dunno how things could have gone differently except for maybe the cops following at a distance where they could have waited for a better place to confront the man, and who knows who else he would have shot along the way.

    I’m glad Mr. Guliani wasn’t able to get those MP-5s he wanted the cops to start carrying along with their sidearms. There woulda been 40 casualties.

  38. 42

    Puddybud spews:

    Once again another diarrhea stain left by the thing LHAO definitely not getting it. We want donkoinfanticide ya moron so keep culling your herd. PLEASE!

    You make us laugh buttspigot! Laugh a lot!

  39. 44

    Liberal Scientist is a a dirty fucking hippie, and THE SPAWN OF SATAN (acocrding to resident Bibul-thumper puddles) spews:

    37. Puddybud spews:

    Anders Brievik, a rightwing “Second Amendment Solutions” fanatic

    Then

    I said nothing about the 2nd Amendment, WRT Brievik.

    Interesting how Lib da schmuck makes these wild ass claims!

    Dipshit, learn to read. The first quote is Roger Rabbit’s, the second one is mine.

    You’re an idiot.

  40. 46

    Puddybud spews:

    Awww looks like Joe BiteMe ain’t gonna show up in Tampa now! Lame excuse of having emergency resources are focused on Tropical Storm Isaac. Yet this is the the same DNC didn’t pay the bill for Obummer in Connecticut!

    ROTFLRHMBBAO!

  41. 47

    Liberal Scientist is a a dirty fucking hippie, and THE SPAWN OF SATAN (acocrding to resident Bibul-thumper puddles) spews:

    Does anyone have a decoder ring for this Lib da schmuch bullshit?

    You make my point for me, puddles. Thank you.

  42. 49

    Liberal Scientist is a a dirty fucking hippie, and THE SPAWN OF SATAN (acocrding to resident Bibul-thumper puddles) spews:

    We want donkoinfanticide ya moron so keep culling your herd.

    So only some zygotes are sacred? Figures.

  43. 51

    K spews:

    More pud spew and attempted redirect. I simply pointed out that more gun shots increase the potential for collateral damage. Do you really believe that in a situation like the dark Colorado theater that citizens shooting at where they thought the problem was from would make others safer? It is a hollow argument that second amendmenters make that I quite frankly find ridiculous.

  44. 52

    Deathfrogg spews:

    @ 43

    Exactly right. NYPD and I believe most police officers are required to re-certify twice a year at least. Seems to me that these yahoos weren’t very disciplined, they started busting caps before they had a clear, definite shot.

    Imagine what some clown could do who’s fired his gun maybe 20 times in his life at a passive range.

  45. 53

    Puddybud spews:

    So only some zygotes are sacred?

    If y’all wanna keep killing your unborn babies go ahead Lib da schmuck. Puddy will open the door for your “kind”! I am sad rujax supports Planned Parenthood who’s original aim through Margaret Sanger was to cull black babies. Any self respecting black man would be appalled but we know from today’s posts alone rujax doesn’t fit the bill!

    ROTFLRHMBBAO!

  46. 54

    Liberal Scientist is a a dirty fucking hippie, and THE SPAWN OF SATAN (acocrding to resident Bibul-thumper puddles) spews:

    More pud spew and attempted redirect.

    That’s really all he has. Like a squid in many ways (Not an octopus – they’re SMART), spineless, wriggly, squirts a cloud of obscuring ink before shooting off.

    Pud’s a mollusk!

  47. 56

    K spews:

    And lets say there are multiple civilians wielding firearms in response to a criminal shooting. The police arrive with their guns drawn. What do they do? Nothing because they are not sure who is the bad guy? Shoot them all because they are all dangerous?

    The idea that an armed civilian population in a crowded situation is just stupid.

  48. 57

    Liberal Scientist is a a dirty fucking hippie, and THE SPAWN OF SATAN (acocrding to resident Bibul-thumper puddles) spews:

    If y’all wanna keep killing your unborn babies go ahead Lib da schmuck. Puddy will open the door for your “kind”!

    Ghoulish hypocrisy.

  49. 58

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @35 Have you ever played chess, puddy? And if so, have you ever survived for more than half a dozen moves? No, I’d guess not. I once spent a week on a Navy hospital ship. One day I was passing time by playing chess. My opponent didn’t know anything about the game; he simply had memorized a couple of gambit openings. Gambits can suck the unwary into a checkmate, but real chess players avoid them because they’re intrinsically weak moves that fatally compromise your board position. The difference between you and that guy, puddy, is he knew when he’d had his ass handed to him. He gave up after losing a couple of games within a few moves. For some inexplicable reason you keep coming back.

  50. 59

    Puddybud spews:

    More pud spew and attempted redirect.

    Wrong again “K”. Do you understand what range certification means? You know… hit the right target? Seems Fraggy got a sentence right for once “K”.

    Seems to me that these yahoos weren’t very disciplined, they started busting caps before they had a clear, definite shot.

    Then he lost it as always. As a Philly Lieutenant, my cousin had to range qualify at least once a year. But stay stupid “K”, you still have it!

  51. 60

    Puddybud spews:

    Have you ever played chess, puddy?

    When shall we play Roger DUMB Wabbit? Timed or untimed? You want black or white?

  52. 61

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @38 City police departments have big insurance policies. If a private citizen shoots an innocent bystander that’s guaranteed bankruptcy.

  53. 62

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @39 How many gun owners have ever been on a range? Lots of them just buy a gun and throw it in a drawer.

  54. 64

    Puddybud spews:

    And lets say there are multiple civilians wielding firearms in response to a criminal shooting.

    That’s so easy. The non-criminal licensed gun owners will listen to the police. The criminals won’t. But stay stupid “K”, you still have it!

  55. 65

    Puddybud spews:

    50 – I agree with you!

    Finally HA’s ylbuttspigot admits he posts useless diarrhea stains with no redeeming value.

    Another BITCHSLAP! Thanks for playing buttspigot!

  56. 66

    K spews:

    You got the stupid, pud. I started with we do not know enough about the police reaction. I have enough personal experience with the press to know the first reports are incomplete at best and as often at not wrong. From there I looked at how having a bunch of folks with guns, likely few of them meeting your range certification standard, would create more risk and less safety. Now if you are proposing that in order to carry one must meet a certain standards, that is a different conversation.

    Is that your position?

  57. 67

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Re all the puddyspew in this thread: “insane fool” pretty well captures its essence.

  58. 68

    Puddybud spews:

    I started with we do not know enough about the police reaction.

    Then you jumped on the armed populace

    can anyone in their right mind argue that armed citizens shooting their personal firearms in a crime situation is a good idea?

    As a typical leftist you immediately jump on armed gun owners because the vast majority of them are conservatives. Maybe some of them can pick the gnat off your shitty ASS at 50 paces?

    See how easy that was “K”?

  59. 70

    Puddybud spews:

    Still waiting for Roger DUMB Wabbit to determine when we should play chess. I offered timed or untimed. I offered black or white.

    Okay you can play black! Since you don’t like gambits we play straight up eh?

  60. 71

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @64 If the non-criminal gun owners have any fucking brains they won’t draw their weapons because to the police a gun is a gun, period.

  61. 73

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @68 “As a typical leftist you immediately jump on armed gun owners because the vast majority of them are conservatives.”

    No, he jumps on armed gun owners (is there any other kind?) because any private citizen who gets involved in a shootout on a crowded city street is a fucking fool and very likely will soon be a dead fool.

  62. 74

    K spews:

    And maybe some of them can’t. I ask again, are you proposing that to carry one should meet some standard? You seem to assume they all do. Recent evidence suggests they do not(see the “gentleman” who shot himself in the rear in a theater).

  63. 75

    Puddybud spews:

    I ask again, are you proposing that to carry one should meet some standard?

    YES! Can’t you comprehend “K”? Ever been to an NRA event? Yeah didn’t think so!

  64. 77

    K spews:

    I cannot comprehend what you do not respond to. What is the standard one should meet in order to possess a firearm in a crowded city?

    We are in puddy playland where juvenile responses with CAPS and !exclamation! points is supposed to indicate a superior argument.

    Grow up

  65. 78

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    One more thing. To give you some idea of how effective guns are in the hands of highly trained and experienced shooters, I’ve seen figures for U.S. small arms ammo expenditures in Vietnam ranging from 30,000 to 200,000 per enemy KIA. The number I saw published in an Army newspaper at the time was 114,000.

    LOL! If it takes our military troops a quarter million bullets to kill one insurgent in Afghanistan, the average civilian shooter would need to have an ammunition train following him around wherever he goes!

  66. 79

    Puddybud spews:

    What is the standard one should meet in order to possess a firearm in a crowded city?

    Well “K” since most crowded cities are run by libtards and they try to pass laws keeping firearms out of the hands of normal citizens only the criminal element ususally get them. So in “K”-land no one owns guns except illegals. Remember what happened in Australia “K”?

    Caps and exclamations… You excuse your own kind all the time “K”. You are so precious!

    NOT!

  67. 80

    Rodent Rabbit spews:

    @76 There’s such a thing as an unarmed gun owner? I suppose if he’s not carrying; but in that case what’s the point of owning one?

    The whole argument here is whether private citizens going in public armed is a good or bad idea. I say it’s a lousy idea. There are very few people who should be packing guns in public.

  68. 81

    Rodent Rabbit spews:

    @79 You have exceptional talent for dodging the question that was asked and providing an answer no one asked for or wanted. You should’ve been a politician — a Republican politician!

  69. 82

    K spews:

    You bore me pud. I am neither defending nor criticizing others. I foolishly tried to engage with you. You divert and ignore.

    Go play with yourself. That’s all you do anyway.

    I’ve wasted enough time.

  70. 84

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    The Mrs. is fucking with my screen name again … her idea of a prank … she distracted me with a Tootsie Roll Pop …

  71. 85

    Puddybud spews:

    I am neither defending nor criticizing others.

    Ohhh wrong again “K” you made a veiled criticism here…

    can anyone in their right mind argue that armed citizens shooting their personal firearms in a crime situation is a good idea?

    Criticism right there! You see “K” you make a specious argument and when called get on your hind legs and bray “I’m taken outta context!” “I’m done. I’m outta here”. Run silly boy! Puddy on the other hand delivers facts as always! The original post is gone so alternate link from the legislator!

  72. 86

    Puddybud spews:

    The Mrs. is fucking with my screen name again

    No she knows you best and nailed ya perfectly!

  73. 88

    Puddybud spews:

    More rambling of a caught buttspigot… You wrote and I quote

    I agree with you!

    Nothing new from you!

    Thanks for playing loser! ROTFLRHMBBAO! What a buttspigot!

  74. 89

    Puddybud spews:

    There’s such a thing as an unarmed gun owner?

    Yes, when you enter the NYC city limits you are to enter unarmed Roger DUMB Wabbit. Puddy placed this on the blog months ago. I know I know… 24 hour moonbat moronic memory malady! You can ask the buttspigot to show you when Puddy placed it!

  75. 90

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @89 Then there are no gun owners in NYC, are there? Except cops and criminals. Because if you’re not a cop having a gun makes you a criminal.

  76. 93

    Puddybud spews:

    Roger DUMB Wabbit without researching farted

    Then there are no gun owners in NYC, are there?

    Well not exactly senile one…

    Residents of New York City who wish to obtain a pistol license must apply through the New York Police Department License Bureau at One Police Plaza in lower Manhattan. The choice of licenses are: Unrestricted Concealed Carry License (for personal self defense, generally considered off-limits to an average citizen), Restricted Business Carry License, Restricted Target License and Restricted Premises-only License.

    NYC Unrestricted Concealed Carry Licenses are valid throughout the rest of the state. Security Guards and business people who regularly carry valuables may be issued a Restricted Business Carry License which is valid only while conducting the business specifically as it was described, in great detail, on the application for the license. NYC target or premises-only licenses are the licenses issued to average citizens who cannot show a need for self defense greater than any another average citizen. They are clearly marked: RESTRICTED – NOT FOR CARRY and require the licensee to obtain special permission from the NYPD License Bureau to leave the city with the handgun. Most licenses issued in New York City are for on-premises possession only, for self-defense within the home or business. Transporting the handgun (via a locked-box) to and from a target range must be done according to a strictly limited schedule pre-approved by the NYPD Licensing Bureau. NYC target licenses allow carrying to and from the range within a “locked-box” at any time at the discretion of the licensee, but prohibit the possession of the licensed handgun in a loaded condition within the home, thereby prohibiting use for self-defense within the home or business. Applicants for, and holders of, a NYC target license must be members of an NYPD License Bureau-approved target range within NYC at the time of application for the license. Traveling through New York City with a license issued from another jurisdiction within New York State must be done carefully (locked box, in vehicle’s trunk, no unnecessary stops)-WikiPedia

    There are gun owners in NYC, then Puddy agrees with the last part… the rest are criminals!

  77. 94

    Gman spews:

    Hey Puffy you claim liberals are culling their own, how about heterosexuals doing the same?

    Darryl, if your going to delete or hold my comments fir making that statmenr, which is really just a question, then you should do the same for Puffy

  78. 95

    Puddybud spews:

    Now why didn’t this make the Friday Night Funnies

    UVA says the Obama campaign requested the use of one of two outdoor venues – the Amphitheater or the Harrison-Small Library plaza. The university declined the request for a number of reasons including class cancellations, which UVA estimates could be more than 186 classes on the second day of school. The other main reason is they would have to take on the full cost of security, and because of university policy and their federal and state tax exempt status, they would have to offer the same opportunity to the other candidate so as not to show favor for either candidate.

    Well they know the DNC don’t pay it’s bills so why bother with Obummer!