HA is an aggressively partisan liberal blog. I’m more than willing to fling muck at the other side, and I’m not above spinning the issues to make my points. But one thing I will not do is knowingly lie.
Why? Well, first of all, because it’s wrong. But just as important, it’s ultimately counterproductive, for if I’m ever caught in a lie it will utterly destroy the credibility I’ve worked hard to build up over the past few years.
Take for example California State Assemblyman Howard Kaloogian, a Republican running for the 50th Congressional District near San Diego. He recently posted the following picture and description on his campaign website:
“We took this photo of downtown Baghdad while we were in Iraq. Iraq (including Baghdad) is much more calm and stable than what many people believe it to be. But, each day the news media finds any violence occurring in the country and screams and shouts about it – in part because many journalists are opposed to the U.S. effort to fight terrorism.”
Hmm. Over on Daily Kos the picture struck diarist AnthonyLA as kind of odd… all the signs are in Roman script, couples are holding hands, and people are dressed in Western clothes.
Well as it turns out, Kaloogian lied. Kaloogian could not possibly have taken the picture in downtown Baghdad, because it’s actually a picture of the Bakirkoy suburb of Istanbul. (That’s in Turkey.)
Kaloogian claims he took his picture during a 10-day trip to Iraq he ironically dubbed the “‘Voices of Soldiers’ Truth Tour.” If this is what Republicans like him mean when they talk about the “truth,” then our nation clearly can’t afford to have them maintain control of Congress.
Jack Burton spews:
Did Howard as part of his tour go to Turkey?
Otherwise this could NEVER a question of post the wrong picture by mistake. After all that NEVER happens.
Overall Iraq IS more calm a stable, but NOT anyplace close to western journalists who are “targets.” Not targets as in get shot, but targets as in be close by while a terrorist act happens JUST IN TIME for the news in New York. Interesting how they do that.
Go outside the green zone and things are much different.
bamajenk spews:
Good job Goldy!
The lying scumsucker has already washed his website of any evidence. none of the links work there… My guess is his staff is deleting files as fast as possible!
Ray spews:
I am amazed how quickly this mystery was solved. Very impressive.
Yossarian spews:
I saw that Daily Kos guy on a TV show the other day. The wayh e acted caused me to think he’s a screaming queen nancy-boy poofter.
BOB from BOEING spews:
YO – I think you are the last to know he is openly gay.
Big fucking deal. We are everywhere, everyone, everylocation, everyposition, everyincome, everypolitic, everyrace, everynation ………. Two four six eight, how do you know your grandma was straight?
For the Clueless spews:
Yossarian is a racist.
LeftTurn spews:
Yes another shinging example of what passes for truth when you are a republican. Republicans are liars, cowards and traitors and they prove it everyday.
Now I am waiting for Steffy to prove that this was somehow Dean Logan’s fault.
Yossarian spews:
Yossarian is a racist.
Commentby For the Clueless— 3/29/06@ 12:09 pm
..and so are your, you arrogant fucking bitch-cunt!
headless lucy spews:
Bloggers, at least, now know that if a Republican said it, it’s a lie. It just may take a little while to figure out how it’s a lie.
Is the lie a fact, but distorted out of context, an outright untruth, etc…
In some way shape or form the Republican statement will not be truthful.
Their lies are easily discovered now because we are all aware of their vast INCOMPETENCE as well as dishonesty. Generations of twisted lies woven into the public lore are now being undone by the neo-cons seemingly endless capacity for INCOMPETENCE.
Mr. Cynical spews:
Goldy–
I would expect a “turkey” to be able to identify Turkey.
Frankly, this is akin to standing in the middle of the street and screaming “MY SHOE IS UNTIED”!!! “MY SHOW IS UNTIED”!!
When you scream it, it sounds bad.
When you think about it, it’s not that big of a deal.
Voter Advocate spews:
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Proving Goldy’s point, a rightie immediately posts another lie.
klake spews:
Goldy that a great improvement to your Blog, and I really like your pictures. I used the same tactic on Green Pease a few years back. Could you add a link for Roger to Free Tibet, right now he needs all the help he can get.
Mr. Cynical spews:
Goldy–
Congrats on your failed efforts to get the Seattle Monorail Lobbyist, Kevin Raymond, elected so he can obstruct the Conservation Board. Here are the results:
http://soundpolitics.com/KCDSu.....060328.pdf
YO spews:
WHO WON THE CONSERVATION ELECTION? NOT THE GUY GOLDY WAS PUSHING.TO BAD.BUT GET USE TO IT.YOUR LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSERS
Robert spews:
Notice that all the Republicans in close races this fall are “Ronald Reagan” Republicans? George Bush – who is that?
Jack Burton spews:
@ 11. So I’m a liar?
Posting the wrong picture by mistake could NEVER happen, right?
Things are WORSE in Iraq, right?
Saddam was BETTER for that country, right?
Media coverage isn’t a tactic by those intent on disrupting Iraq’s self-government, right?
silly guy spews:
Yep – every one lies including Kerry about his Vietnam service. To try and peanut butter the lie that all Republican are liars …well then you are lying.
Did anyone consider that a simple mistake was made by a staffer in posting an incorrect picture. Remember Occam’s Razor.
J.V. Stalin(just another dead Rossi voter) spews:
@ 11. So I’m a liar?
Most likely.
Posting the wrong picture by mistake could NEVER happen, right?
No such claim was made. Pay attention.
Things are WORSE in Iraq, right?
Worse than what?
Saddam was BETTER for that country, right?
Rumsfeld and Reagan thought so.
Media coverage isn’t a tactic by those intent on disrupting Iraq’s self-government, right?
Not precisely, unless it’s a Bush lacky planting paid for articles in the Iraqi press.
Commentby Jack Burton— 3/29/06@ 12:42 pm
On the other hand, it is nice to see things are going well in Turkey.
Richard Pope spews:
You can’t fault Mr. Kaloogian for visiting Turkey, instead of Iraq. If I had a choice of 10 days in Turkey, versus 10 days in Iraq, I would choose Turkey in a heartbeat.
And Kaloogian is right about Turkey being calm and stable these days. Kaloogian is an Armenian name, and Kaloogian is a prominent member of a number of Armenian organizations. Kaloogian has been active in making people in the USA aware of the Turkish genocide of about a million or so Armenians during World War I.
http://www.cilicia.com/armo10i_california.html
So in modern day Turkey, Kaloogian is able to visit, walk around, enjoy himself, and not get exterminated. Turkey has made a lot of progress in 90 years. It is unfortunate that Kaloogian got the country wrong, but his underlying story is correct.
horse whisperer spews:
Good job, that’s funny as hell! Hopefully msm picks this up.
Michael spews:
http://www.kaloogianforcongres.....;par06=104
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Hillary [JCH]Clinton spews:
Two illegals, GBS and a Republican taxpayer all sat around and desided to vote on who should pay for lunch. The vote was 3 to 1 that the Republican should pay. The Republican decided to just leave. The illegals and GBS were very upset and decided that the Republican was mean and racist. [hehe]
Another TJ spews:
I agree with the “campaign source” quoted in this diary: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/3/29/15132/8605
He’s running for the Dukester’s seat. It makes sense to go from someone who takes bribes to someone who simply lies. It would be such a shock to the system of the people of the CA-50th to go straight to an honest person like Francine Busby that it they should transition with someone like Kaloogian. Baby steps.
Another TJ spews:
Oops. That should read: “It would be such a shock to the system of the people of the CA-50th to go straight to an honest person like Francine Busby that they really should transition with someone like Kaloogian.”
Hillary [JCH]Clinton spews:
OK…….Who should go to Yale on a full ride?? The terrorist? A North Korean Communist? An illegal from Mexico? GBS? Or an American GI wounded in Iraq??? Answer: All but the G.I., because the G.I. might vote Republican!!!
Another TJ spews:
File Not Found
Yep, they’ve been frantically scrubbing the site.
klake spews:
Yep, they’ve been frantically scrubbing the site.
Commentby Another TJ— 3/29/06@ 1:43 pm
TJ it colud be folks over running the website for those pictures. Goldy has a lot of fans and really do not belive a word he is saying. Naw, they removed the webpage and hose up Al Gore internet.
AuntTora spews:
Another Republican down here in San Diego, Eric Roach, has a particularly hilarious television commercial running — “Do you ever wonder when things in government started to go wrong? It was when the Republicans started acting like Democrats.” Every time I see that one I laugh and laugh…and then email him pointing out the freakishly apt coincidence of his name.
Hillary [JCH]Clinton spews:
Abuja – Shouts of ”Allah Akbar!” (God is greatest) rent the air in parts of Kaduna, northern Nigeria on Wednesday as a four-minute eclipse turned daylight into darkness. Many residents ran indoors before the eclipse started. Some did so for fear of looking at the phenomenon directly and damaging their eyes. Others did so in the belief that it was a satanic development. /break/ ”Why Nigeria? Why Kaduna, if not because our sins are legion?” he asked, even after he was told that other countries would also experience it. [GBS!!! Stupid Liberals!!! Gay Bob From Boeing!! Roger Rabbit!@! Cougar!! Headless Lucy!!! FEAR ME!!! I’m going to make the sun disappear!!!!!!!!]
rujax206 spews:
Ohhh TURKEY! Turkey.
I thought he said he just got back from Iraq! Where he took PICTURES.
But it was TURKEY!!! Really.
So SORRY. My (big fat) mistake. NOT.
(Lying shithead. You too, Pope. So you WORK for that asshole? He PAYING you to shill fdor him up here?)
Roger Rabbit spews:
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Jack, when a rightwinger puts out a fake photo, it’s not a “mistake.” Rightwingers have a long and sordid history of circulating FAKE photos. Stop making excuses for these lying bastards!
Want specific examples? Okay … the “photo” of a youthful John Kerry speaking into a microphone with a Viet Cong flag as a backdrop that was widely circulated on the internet during the 2004 campaign is a FAKE. It was created by using a computer program to juxtapose a photo of Kerry speaking at a Senate hearing over the flag image. This technique is called “Photoshopping” because Adobe Software’s Photoshop program often is the software used.
During the 2004 campaign, rightwing liars also circulated a fake photo of Kerry and Jane Fonda on a speaker’s podium together. This photo was created by “photoshopping” together photos of Kerry and Fonda at different speaking engagements.
Jack — remember the photo that rightwingers circulated last year of a VFW gentleman wearing a cardboard “Bullshit Protector” ear flap? This is a GENUINE photo but rightwing liars circulated it on the internet with a FICTIONAL caption that said:
“Bill Moyer, 73, wears a “Bullshit Protector” flap over his ear while Senator Ted Kennedy addresses the Veterans of Foreign Wars.”
The photo of Mr. Moyers was actually taken by an AP photographer and ran in the mainstream media with with following actual caption:
“Bill Moyer, 73, wears a “Bullshit Protector” flap over his ear while President George W. Bush, on screen at rear, addresses the Veterans of Foreign Wars at their 106th convention Monday, Aug. 22, 2005, in Salt Lake City. Moyer served in Korea and Vietnam, and in the post-WWII occupation of Germany.”
http://www.snopes.com/photos/politics/earflap.asp
JACK BURTON, RIGHTWINGERS DON’T MAKE MISTAKES, THEY TELL LIES!
Hayduke spews:
This is off topic, but that seems to be par for this course.
Iraq In Fragments is opening the Seattle Arabic and Iranian Film Festival at the Cinerama this Friday. The film is the end result of 300 hours of footage captured over two years by a northwest filmmaker. It won several honors at Sundance.
Roger Rabbit spews:
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“I saw that Daily Kos guy on a TV show the other day. The wayh e acted caused me to think he’s a screaming queen nancy-boy poofter. Commentby Yossarian— 3/29/06@ 12:03 pm”
Well, well, now that a GOP congressional candidate has been caught LYING, Y’o is trying the play the GOP deflection/ad hominem game! How lame, sophomoric, moronic.
Memo to Y’o: The issue is not the “Daily Kos guy.” The issue is Mr. Kaloogian’s deliberate use of a FAKE photo to LIE to voters!
“Y’o” is a contraction of “Yahoo.” (As in “trailer park yahoo.”)
Like most rightwing trollfucks, Y’o is an illiterate who can’t even spell his own fucking name.
Roger Rabbit spews:
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“Yossarian is a racist. Commentby For the Clueless— 3/29/06@ 12:09 pm”
Y’o is too stupid to be a racist. He’s merely a broken phonograph record playing the same tired old rightwing lies over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over …
klake spews:
Rogers friend in her time of need.
http://www.snopes.com/photos/politics/sheehan.asp
On 26 November 2005, anti-war activist Cindy Sheehan took part in an anti-Iraq war rally held on a one-acre camp site adjacent to the Crawford, Texas, ranch where President Bush was spending the Thanksgiving weekend. Among other activities, Ms. Sheehan participated in a book signing arranged by her publisher for her new book, Not One More Mother’s Child. The turnout for the rally was considerably smaller than the attendance at a similar event held in Crawford in August 2005, reported the Washington Post, due in part to unfavorable weather:
Roger Rabbit spews:
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Great comeback, Y’o. Like I said above, you’re a moron who needs someone else to write his material for you.
Roger Rabbit spews:
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“Generations of twisted lies woven into the public lore are now being undone by the neo-cons seemingly endless capacity for INCOMPETENCE. Commentby headless lucy— 3/29/06@ 12:19 pm”
One of the most persistent rightwing lies is that Vietnam veterans were spit on by anti-war protesters:
“Jerry Lembcke, an associate professor of sociology at Holy Cross and a Vietnam combat veteran, has written a well documented book, ‘The Spitting Image: Myth, Memory, and the Legacy of Vietnam’ (New York University Press, 1998) that thoroughly debunks the tales of protesters ‘spitting upon’ Vietnam vets. Lembcke conducted extensive research to ascertain that there were no contemporaneous news reports or police complaints lodged to substantiate the claims that began appearing in the media about 1991.”
http://www.veteransforpeace.or.....050803.htm
Roger Rabbit spews:
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Gee, thanks for the link, klake! Here’s the rest of the quote:
“… Sheehan accused ‘right-wing’ sites of ‘spreading a false story that nobody bought my book at Camp Casey on Saturday. That is not true, I sold all 100 copies and got writer’s cramp signing them. Photos were taken of me before the people got in line to have me sign the book. We made $2000 for the peace house.’
“Her publisher, Arnie Kotler at Koa Books, meanwhile released a letter to her supporters, charging that ‘AP and Reuters posted photos — I can’t imagine why — of Cindy sitting at the book table between signings, rather than while someone was at the table. And now the smear websites are circulating an article, with these photos, that Cindy gave a signing and nobody came. It’s simply not true… the benefit books signing in Crawford, Texas on November 26, 2005 was well attended and a huge success.’
“According to a statement issued by AP, Evan Vucci, the photographer who snapped the pictures of Cindy Sheehan, avowed that the caption used by AP was an accurate reflection of what he observed while taking the photos: ‘Photographer Evan Vucci, queried about the incident today said that he was present at the book signing from about 10 a.m. to about 11 a.m. During that time, he said, people were coming in to have their books signed in small groups of a few at a time. At the time the photos were taken “maybe 5 people had come in,” Vucci says, and Sheehan was waiting for more to stop by, which they did individually as well as in very small groups. Therefore the wording of the caption is accurate in that Sheehan was waiting for people to show up at her signing.'”
What really happened was an opportunistic press photographer took photos of Sheehan BETWEEN book signings, and then right-wing LIARS used these out-of-context photos to imply nobody bought Sheehan’s book. So very typical of RIGHT WING LIARS!
And a tent camp in a muddy field in Crawford, Texas, isn’t exactly a supermall, is it? In terms of the floor traffic, I mean.
Roger Rabbit spews:
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But klake, as wingnuts are wont to do, misses the point. He’s so focused on the rightwing-talking-point-of-the-day that he totally misses the fucking point!
The debate over the Iraq war isn’t about Cindy Sheehan. Bush lied about his intentions to invade Iraq, when he decided to invade Iraq, and his reasons for invading Iraq. He overruled his own generals when they told him they’d need 500,000 troops. He assumed Iraq would be knocked off in 30 days, and there’d be no resistance to a U.S. occupation. He was wrong on every count! He had no occupation plan. The occupation has been disorganized, ineffective, and deadly to U.S. troops. The torture scandal guaranteed the hostility of the Iraqi populace we supposedly were “saving.” The U.S. is now mired in a losing ground war that is likely to end up costing over a trillion dollars, in part because of the massive corruption permitted or encouraged by the administration, which has almost completely failed its promises to rebuild Iraq.
The issue is that Iraq is a bloody and expensive FIASCO directly attributable to the INCOMPETENCE and DISHONESTY of the GOP administration and Congress.
This isn’t about Cindy Sheehan. It’s about George W. Bush and the GOP bootlickers in Congress.
LeftTurn spews:
Maybe this fool was in Turkey looking for WMD. Does that mean we will bomb them next?
Roger Rabbit spews:
Now let me ask you this, my trollfuck friends. Is it just a coincidence that Katrina disaster relief was an expensive fiasco, too? Is it just a coincidence that the Medicare prescription program was an expensive fiasco, too? Or could reasonable minds conclude that Bush’s administration is SYSTEMATICALLY INCOMPETENT AND CORRUPT?!!
Roger Rabbit spews:
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“Maybe this fool was in Turkey looking for WMD. Does that mean we will bomb them next? Commentby LeftTurn— 3/29/06@ 2:59 pm”
Ssshhhh … careful … don’t give them ideas.
Roger Rabbit spews:
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“So I’m a liar?”
Yes.
“Posting the wrong picture by mistake could NEVER happen, right?”
Not in this case. All you have to do is LOOK at the picture and you can SEE it’s not a photo of Baghdad. Just look at the fucking signs.
“Things are WORSE in Iraq, right?”
Yes. Iraqi civilians are now blowing up each other’s mosques and killing each other by the dozens every day. Iraqi police officers and police cadets are being kidnapped and killed by the dozens. The Iraqi “leaders” elected in December still can’t put together a government or agree on how to run one.
“Saddam was BETTER for that country, right?”
Wasn’t it Bush who derided Clinton for indulging in “nation building” in Kosovo? Clinton won his war and stopped a genocide without a single U.S. combat death. Bush is losing his war, opened the door to an Iraqi civil war, has already lost 2300 U.S. military lives, and now says the next president will have to get us out of Iraq because he won’t or can’t.
Jack, it took an iron-fisted dictator to hold Iraq together and keep the Sunnis and Shiites from going for each other’s throats. Now that the dictator is gone, Iraq is bloody chaos. If the situation degenerates into all-out civil war, yes, the death toll could exceed the number of Iraqis that Saddam killed. So it’s too early to say whether Saddam’s brutal dictatorship or Bush’s inane bungling was worse for Iraqis. The jury’s still out on that.
“Media coverage isn’t a tactic by those intent on disrupting Iraq’s self-government, right?”
No. Why would journalists want to disrupt a government? Their role is to observe and report events, not create events. And what self-government are you referring to? Iraq is occupied by a foreign military power. The Iraqis are in disarray. There is no functioning government there, self or otherwise. Iraq is in chaos. The media didn’t create that situation, Bush’s bungled invasion did. The media is just reporting the facts.
Roger Rabbit spews:
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“every one lies including Kerry about his Vietnam service”
Kerry didn’t lie about his military service. Right wing liars lied about Kerry’s military service.
klake spews:
Maybe this fool was in Turkey looking for WMD. Does that mean we will bomb them next?
Commentby LeftTurn— 3/29/06@ 2:59 pm
Left Turn we have been bombing Turkey for years, there is a bombing range that the USAF uses daily. WMD’s are in Iran according to General Roger Rabbit, and the world would be safer if we turn our backs and stick our heads in the sand. According to the Socialist, it is better to wait for the war shows up in Seattle, than take the war to the enemy.
Roger Rabbit spews:
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“When you think about it, it’s not that big of a deal. Commentby Mr. Cynical— 3/29/06@ 12:22 pm”
You’re dead wrong, Cynical. It IS a big deal because a candidate for Congress got caught LYING.
For generations, Republicans presumed to lecture the rest of us about “right and wrong.”
The reality is that Republicans are systematically dishonest, and when they get caught LYING, they try to distract attention away from their lies, and when that doesn’t work, they pretend their lies are unimportant.
Here is another reality for you, Cynical: The American public is way ahead of you. They see through the lies. They know something is very, very, rotten in the Republican Party. They’re going to bounce Republicans out of power on their ears. Wait and see.
klake spews:
Yes. Iraqi civilians are now blowing up each other’s mosques and killing each other by the dozens every day. Iraqi police officers and police cadets are being kidnapped and killed by the dozens. The Iraqi “leaders” elected in December still can’t put together a government or agree on how to run one.
“Saddam was BETTER for that country, right?”
Roger have you check out your neighbors lately?
Roger Rabbit spews:
Flaky klake @45
“WMD’s are in Iran according to General Roger Rabbit”
Where did I say that, righty liar? Cite please. And I’m COLONEL Rabbit to you, asshole.
Roger Rabbit spews:
Before I forget, klake is a nazi
Another TJ spews:
Any thread on this topic is incomplete without the General’s contribution:
http://patriotboy.blogspot.com.....8807212097
Roger Rabbit spews:
Speaking of IRAN, there’s an article in this week’s TIME MAGAZINE about Iran’s nuclear ambitions and the dilemma facing U.S. policymakers.
According to Time, because Iran’s nuclear facilities are dispersed, taking them out would require a bombing campaign lasting several weeks. Iran’s air defenses and air force would have to be destroyed first. And damage assessment would be difficult or impossible. Finally, the article quotes experts as saying a military strike would set back Iran’s nuclear efforts by only two to four years, because “they have the know-how” to make an A-bomb and “you can’t bomb know-how.” Facilities and equipment can be replaced.
Roger Rabbit spews:
In case I forgot to mention it, klake is a nazi
DT spews:
This Howard Kaloogian guy is running for Cunningham’s vacated seat, so perhaps a liar is what the people of his district are used to. He also proudly claims to be the one who led the recall Gray Davis campaign. Somehow I doubt if that is still a popular cause after what Arnold has managed (or not managed) to do since the election.
http://homesteadbook.com/blog
klake spews:
Wasn’t it Bush who derided Clinton for indulging in “nation building” in Kosovo? Clinton won his war and stopped a genocide without a single U.S. combat death. Bush is losing his war, opened the door to an Iraqi civil war, has already lost 2300 U.S. military lives, and now says the next president will have to get us out of Iraq because he won’t or can’t.
Nice rant Roger Clinton did not go into Kosovo to stop genocide but for other personal reasons according to some Europeans. The conflict is not over and we still fly troops into that country today. The reason for the low casualties is the USAF bombed them into the stone ages, and if you do not believe me go for a short visit. Roger you are forgetting your military history it takes longer than a few years to end any conflict. World War I, World War II, Korea, Viet Nam, Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Iraq, and many other places you do not remember took many years to cease the conflict.
klake spews:
Kerry didn’t lie about his military service. Right wing liars lied about Kerry’s military service.
Commentby Roger Rabbit— 3/29/06@ 3:16 pm
Roger Kerry did not lie about his military service, but he did not talk to any detail about what he did in Viet Nam and after wards. Kerry did not disclose what was in his military records and he made sure it did not go public. Good thing on his part for it could be quite damaging for his government job. Roger it not what somebody says but what they do not say that can be damaging. What did John Kerry say to the North Vietnamese in Paris in the early 70s and what support that he provide for them State side.
Voter Advocate spews:
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Posting the wrong picture by mistake could NEVER happen, right?
In the context of a political campaign where the candidate is using his visit to Iraq as a tactic? Not very likely. More likely that he didn’t have any pictures that showed the glory of Baghdad so took the chance of slipping in a ringer. Thay’d know that unassuming (in the case of rightie lies) people like you would swallow it.
Things are WORSE in Iraq, right?
In Baghdad? Certainly. In the rest of the country? a mixed bag. Overall? The average person there thinks Saddam was a better deal. Like Mussolini before 1943.
Saddam was BETTER for that country, right?
No, but that’s irrelevant now. The only thing people there are remembering is the ability to make a living, electrical and sewer service, and their friends and family not getting killed — that such things happened to “other people”.
Media coverage isn’t a tactic by those intent on disrupting Iraq’s self-government, right?
Yes. Media coverage in Iraq is like media coverage in Seattle. What was the story on Saturday morning here? Hint: It wasn’t the high school sports coverage. Murder gets more audience share and sells more advertising that goes with it than the story about a local fireballer who had a no hitter.
Mr. Cynical spews:
Rog–
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh….you want good, honest Congressmen like McDimWit, who as Richard Pope pointed out:
Does Jim McDermott have enough equity in his house to pay this judgment?
http://www5.metrokc.gov/report.....1860600485
Posted by Richard Pope at March 28, 2006 04:40 PM
Jim McDermott quit-claimed his house, which had been his sole and separate property, into community property with his wife Therese Hansen on January 25, 2006, and recorded the deed on February 10, 2006. Did he do this in order to keep his house from being sold to pay the debt?
Posted by Richard Pope at March 28, 2006 04:43 PM
McDermott only owes $178,000 on his house and it is assessed at $781,000 for property taxes. Looks like he did the property transfer to avoid paying the judgment. Why didn’t the plaintiffs’ lawyer recorded a certified copy of the copy with Dean Logan’s office, so that it would be a lien on McDermott’s house, and he couldn’t get away with this?
http://146.129.54.93:8193/imgc.....0-1-11.pdf
This is the kind of honorable Congressman you desire Rog??
Michael spews:
@54 Clinton won his war and stopped a genocide
Do you mean genocide like the Racak Massacre which was the straw that broke the camel’s back and forced the US to invade? The same massacre that most now agree never really happened?
Anonymous spews:
Klake is also a retard, based on #55.
LiberalRedneck spews:
-WHO WON THE CONSERVATION ELECTION? NOT THE GUY GOLDY WAS PUSHING.TO BAD.BUT GET USE TO IT.YOUR LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSERS –
Heh heh – the SP cult (Mr. Yo) actually won an (obscure) election for once! Enjoy the “glory” kids – it will be VERY short lived!
klake spews:
Where did I say that, righty liar? Cite please. And I’m COLONEL Rabbit to you, asshole.
Commentby Roger Rabbit— 3/29/06@ 3:22 pm
General Roger Rabbit you were promoted when you started the overthrow of the Chinese government in Tibet. Your are now proclaimed the highest ranking General in the Tibetan Army. You have the greatest hindsight of any officer in any mans army which is your legacy known worldwide. You are expected to do a government change without firing a shot and improve relation with China. Good Luck General Hindsight Rabbit!
LiberalRedneck spews:
Since most of the SP Chickenhawks have their heads planted deeply in the ground these days – and the only good news they can find coming out of Iraq is made-up – here’s the quick snapshot of “peaceful Baghdad” they want to pretend doesn’t exist. Chilling.
Bound, Blindfolded and Dead: The Face of Revenge in Baghdad
BAGHDAD, Iraq, March 25 — Mohannad al-Azawi had just finished sprinkling food in his bird cages at his pet shop in south Baghdad, when three carloads of gunmen pulled up.
In front of a crowd, he was grabbed by his shirt and driven off.
Mr. Azawi was among the few Sunni Arabs on the block, and, according to witnesses, when a Shiite friend tried to intervene, a gunman stuck a pistol to his head and said, “You want us to blow your brains out, too?”
Mr. Azawi’s body was found the next morning at a sewage treatment plant. A slight man who raised nightingales, he had been hogtied, drilled with power tools and shot.
In the last month, hundreds of men have been kidnapped, tortured and executed in Baghdad. As Iraqi and American leaders struggle to avert a civil war, the bodies keep piling up. The city’s homicide rate has tripled from 11 to 33 a day, military officials said. The period from March 7 to March 21 was typically brutal: at least 191 corpses, many mutilated, surfaced in garbage bins, drainage ditches, minibuses and pickup trucks.
There were the four Duleimi brothers, Khalid, Tarek, Taleb and Salaam, seized from their home in front of their wives. And Achmed Abdulsalam, last seen at a checkpoint in his freshly painted BMW and found dead under a bridge two days later. And Mushtak al-Nidawi, a law student nicknamed Titanic for his Leonardo DiCaprio good looks, whose body was returned to his family with his skull chopped in half.
What frightens Iraqis most about these gangland-style killings is the impunity. According to reports filed by family members and more than a dozen interviews, many men were taken in daylight, in public, with witnesses all around. Few cases, if any, have been investigated.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03.....nted=print
YO spews:
WELL LIBERALREDNECK FOR SUCH A SMALL OBSCURE ELECTION GOLGY WAS SURE PUSHING IT.YOU GUY WILL NOT TAKE BACK THE SENANATE OR THE HOUSE IN 06 SO EAT SHIT AND BARK AT THE MOON.AND IF I HAD A SHIT EATING DOG THE WOULD HAVE TO SEND YOUR SHOES HOME.LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSERS
LiberalRedneck spews:
Looks like the “Voices of Soldiers’ Truth Tour” – which was formed to combat Cindy Sheehan – has been relying on blatant lies for some time, now.
http://mediamatters.org/items/200508240013
It’s absurd the “left wing media” has been giving these liars so much airtime in recent months.
YO spews:
DO YOU EVER SEE REID ON TV WHEN HE TALKES LOOKS AND SOUNDS LIKE THE FUCKER JUST SNIFFED GLUE.
LiberalRedneck spews:
Here’s another scary acount from a reporter who actually WAS in Iraq for over a year. Things are obviously going a LOT worse than the MSM is having us believe. A good – but disturbing – read:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03.....leman.html
I GOT back to Iraq two weeks ago, having been away more than a year. The first story I covered began with a tip that vigilantes had hanged four suspected terrorists from lamp posts in Sadr City, a Shiite slum. The minute I got to the scene, I realized I was stepping into a new Iraq. Another new Iraq, really; maybe even the third Iraq I have seen since I began reporting here in 2003.
Gone were the American tanks that used to guard the intersections. Instead, aggressive teenagers with machine guns and shiny soccer jerseys ruled the streets. They poked their heads into cars and detained whomever they wanted. There were even 8-year-olds running checkpoints, some toting toy pistols, others toting real ones. Whatever they carried, 4-foot-tall militias made me nervous. The streets now had a truly Liberian feel.
The episode was oddly symmetrical with a moment in 2004 when mobs in Falluja swarmed four American contractors and hung the bodies from a bridge. But there were a few big differences. For one, this wasn’t Falluja, angry heart of the insurgency. This was Baghdad. And these weren’t Americans dangling from rope. They were Sunni Arab Iraqis.
I had thought Iraq might be getting quieter. Fewer mortars were sailing into the Green Zone, where the Americans are based, and fewer suicide bombings were disrupting the morning rush. Even the airport road, the most dreaded strip of asphalt in the world, was doing better. It had been repaved and was flowing with traffic.
But soon I caught on. The violence had not declined. It had just turned inward. No longer was most of it pointed at the Americans, either directly or indirectly, as it had been during the invasion and when the insurgency exploded in 2004. Back then, if G.I.’s were not the targets, their helpers were — the Iraqi police, regional governors, Kurdish leaders, foreign civilians, anyone remotely connected to the “occupiers.”
It’s true that American soldiers are still dying, but the focus of the bloodshed has changed.
The day after that mob scene in Sadr City, bodies started showing up, first a couple and then dozens. By conservative counts, nearly 200 civilian men have been executed in the past two weeks and dumped on Baghdad’s streets. Many have been hogtied. Some have had acid splashed on their faces. Others have been found without toes, fingers, eyes.
LiberalRedneck spews:
[i]WELL LIBERALREDNECK FOR SUCH A SMALL OBSCURE ELECTION GOLGY WAS SURE PUSHING IT.[/i]
Goldy “sure was pushing it,” Yo? By mentioning the fact that the election even existed 5 hours before the polls closed? You’re either delusional, or just another run of the mill troll who purposefully tries to embarrass himself.
But – all the same – congrats on the only election Sound Politics has won since inception – and WILL WIN for the next couple years. You earned it! That granola farmer girl won by something like 500 to 300!!! Impressive!
Richard Pope spews:
Mr. Cynical @ 57
Actually, I looked at the District of Columbia federal court case file on-line. The federal judge said Jim McDermott was liable for $10,000 in statutory damages and $50,000 in punitive damages in an October 22, 2004 summary judgment order. The judge also said that McDermott would have to pay John Boehner’s attorney fees, but would award attorney fees after the appeal was completed. At the time, Boehner’s lawyers said their attorney fees were approximately $530,000 as of December 17, 2004.
So there hasn’t been an actual judgment entered yet. The judge will determine attorney fees, probably in a few months, after the case is formally sent back by the Court of Appeals. Probably the attorney fees, including those incurred on the recent appeal, are now a lot more than $530,000.
Probably McDermott has been paying his own attorney fees through some sort of legal defense fund. I don’t know whether those monies can be used to pay the actual judgment. In any event, $600,000 or $700,000 isn’t necessarily the easiest amount of money to raise.
Jim McDermott married Therese Hansen on November 30, 1997. His U.S. House official biography says his wife is an attorney in Seattle. She is a partner in Soha Lang, an insurance defense firm located in the Bank of America Columbia Tower.
McDermott bought his house in Seattle on July 2, 1996 for $230,000. He financed the purchased with a $184,000 deed of trust. This was over a year and a half before he got married.
He refinanced this original deed of trust on April 24, 1998 for $227,150 (King County Records No. 9804291554). In this deed of trust, he falsely represented that he was a single person. His wife did not sign this deed of trust, even though RCW 6.13.060 requires both spouses to sign a conveyance or encumbrance of the marital homestead (even if the house is only owned by one spouse).
McDermott refinanced this deed of trust again on December 24, 2002 (King County Records No. 20030110002150) for $178,000. This time, however, his wife did sign the deed of trust, so at least the mortgage company won’t get defrauded.
The timing of the quit claim deed into community property from McDermott’s separate property is suspicious. Under RCW 26.16.200, Hansen isn’t liable for McDermott’s judgment, since his wiretapping occurred before their marriage and obviously cannot be considered a community debt.
In addition, Boehner certainly didn’t get a judgment within three years of the marriage — still doesn’t have one actually. Because of that, under RCW 26.16.200, Boehner may never be able to actually collect his judgment against McDermott — at least so long as McDermott is married to Hansen. And that may have been the case even if McDermott hadn’t transferred half interest in his house to Hansen.
Richard Pope spews:
I wonder what the Wabbit and Attorney X will have to say about the possibility of Boehner actually being able to collect from McDermott.
Hillary [JCH]Clinton spews:
Mr. Pope, Democrats NEVER pay with their OWN money. Ever!!! McDemott is a slime and will make EVERY attempt to cheat and steal.
rujax206 spews:
Geez…you wingers are such SNIVELING MORONS.
It’s goin’ bad for ya’ and it’s gonna get worse.
Dr. E spews:
“Overall Iraq IS more calm a stable, but NOT anyplace close to western journalists who are “targets.” Not targets as in get shot, but targets as in be close by while a terrorist act happens JUST IN TIME for the news in New York. Interesting how they do that.”
Christ, the ignorance in this country is overwhelming. I guess you can believe whatever GOP-generated fairy tale you like, but fairy tales do not a reality make. Check out the following video:
http://movies.crooksandliars.c.....60326a.mov
Hillary [JCH]Clinton spews:
Waters/McKinney 2008!! [This would upset Hillary, but would be a great Democrat ticket!!!!!!! Two black loud mouthed socialist bitches!!! Yes, the best Democrats have to offer!!!!!!!!]
Voter Advocate spews:
The Kaloogian lie made it to MSNBC’s “Countdown” this evening.
Busted.
Mark The Redneck spews:
McDermott’s wife, Therese Hansen, will be “vested” in the Representative’s finances on November 30, 2007. The way FUWA divorce law works is that the wife is entitled to PERMANENT VAGINAMONYif she can keep it going for 10 years. Before that, V-monyis paid for half the duration of the marriage, but after that, she’s vested for life. Once she sets the hook, it is up to her to determine the costs associated with the lifestyle to which she has become accustomed.
Let’s hope she cashes in…
Drivel spews:
MTR, like your wonderful X? Too bad she decided a life waiting for you to pay your legal support was not worth it. I imagine anyone who has ever been around you feels the same. Has anyone seen a strange amount of suicides in that trailer park in Enumclaw?
silly guy spews:
I made a post earlier in this thread and it is no longer there. Why?
silly guy spews:
Opps – still there – sorry
Michael spews:
Remember why NATO spent 78-days bombing Yugoslavia in the spring of 1999?
There was the ethnic cleansing. The atrocities. The refugees chased out of Kosovo by the Serb army. The mass graves. The heaps of bodies tossed into vats of sulphuric acid at the Trepca mines.
NATO spokesman Jamie Shea said there were 100,000 Kosovars unaccounted for.
Remember?
If you’re like most people, you have at least a vague recollection of something that seemed to approach a modern-day Holocaust.
Problem is, none of it happened.
NATO’s original estimate of 100,000 ethnic Albanians slaughtered, later revised downward to 10,000, turns out to be considerably exaggerated.
Dr. Peter Markesteyn, a Winnipeg forensic pathologist, was among the first war crimes investigators to arrive in Kosovo after NATO ended its bombing campaign.
“We were told there were 100,000 bodies everywhere,” said Dr. Markesteyn. “We performed 1,800 autopsies — that’s it.”
Fewer than 2,000 corpses. None found in the Trepca mines. No remains in the vats of sulphuric acid. Most found in isolated graves — not in the mass graves NATO warned about. And no clue as to whether the bodies were those of KLA fighters, civilians, even whether they were Serbs or ethnic Albanians.
No wonder then that of all the incidents on which Slobodan Milosevic has been indicted for war crimes, the total body count is not 100,000, not 10,000, not even 1,800 — but 391!
That’s 109 lives fewer than the 500 Yugoslav civilians Human Rights Watch estimates were killed by NATO bombs — and far fewer than what the death toll will eventually be once those who have yet to die from cancers induced by the terrible environmental devastation of the war are finally carried off as late — and unaccounted for — casualties…
http://www.mediamonitors.net/gowans1.html
RUFUS spews:
Christ, the ignorance in this country is overwhelming. I guess you can believe whatever GOP-generated fairy tale you like, but fairy tales do not a reality make. Check out the following video:
http://movies.crooksandliars.c.....60326a.mov
Commentby Dr. E— 3/29/06@ 6:47 pm
Hey you lefties are the only ones to blame. You didnt think that the 30 years of lying from the MSM was ever going to catch up with you but it did. Now with the new media in play all the current lies are getting exposed and you are crying like babbies. Tough shit.
cmahnken spews:
@17 – Silly Guy
RE: “Occam’s Razor”
Yes. I know Occam’s Razor. It states that “the simplest of two or more competing theories is preferable and that an explanation for unknown phenomena should first be attempted in terms of what is already known.”
What seams more likely to you?
One, a staffer picks out the wrong picture, gets it approved, has text written about it, and nobody in the entire process notices mistake. Or two, they lied.
Number two seems to fit Occam’s Razor quite well. Thanks for pointing it out.
Another TJ spews:
Kaloogian has chosen a new photo to replace the old one. Just two problems: it’s a wide shot taken from the safety of the Green Zone, and the police station across the street has since been bombed to oblivion.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyo.....14344/6926
Michael spews:
Hmm, I am not getting that picture at Kaloogian’s site. Why don’t you cite Kaloogian’s site about what is on Kaloogian’s site, instead of citing DailyKos?
Michael spews:
In fact, I am very suspicious that site isn’t even Kaloogian’s site at all. Look at the title bar. It says SilverDollar1.com. That makes no sense. I think someone is just posting crap and then reporting it as Kaloogian.
headless lucy spews:
All Republicans are liars and INCOMPETENT. I saw it on PBS.
Another TJ spews:
Hmm, I am not getting that picture at Kaloogian’s site. Why don’t you cite Kaloogian’s site about what is on Kaloogian’s site, instead of citing DailyKos?
Commentby Michael— 3/30/06@ 8:19 am
In fact, I am very suspicious that site isn’t even Kaloogian’s site at all. Look at the title bar. It says SilverDollar1.com. That makes no sense. I think someone is just posting crap and then reporting it as Kaloogian.
Commentby Michael— 3/30/06@ 8:25 am
You should rethink your conclusion:
http://www.kaloogianforcongres.....par06=104#
(Near the bottom)
drool spews:
If it’s so peaceful why are the ladies in the plane wearing flak jackets?
JDB spews:
How do you know a Republican is lying?
He Opens his mouth:
Checking into when Kaloogian was in Iraq, I find that the photos on his campaign website refer to his visit to Iraq as indeed “during the ‘Voices of Soldiers’ Truth Tour. The website for the tour (http://www.voicesofsoldiers.com/) seems to be down, but the Google cache clearly points out that the trip was in July 2005.
The photo of Kaloogian with soldiers in Iraq which the ‘Kaloogian for Congress’ website uses on its homepage is identical to the one on the ‘MoveAmericaForward.org’ website which appears to have been involved with the July 2005 trip. On their website Kaloogian authored an article ‘Courage plentiful in Iraq’ — dated July 12, 2005.
http://americablog.blogspot.co.....laims.html
And Kos is reporting (at the link above), that the photo’s meta data indicates it was taken in, shock, July ’05.
Well, at least Turkey is still peaceful.
LiberalRedneck spews:
Turkey is peaceful, but ironically the Turkish government has vowed to invade an independent Kurdish state, which would not have been possible had George W Doorknob not destabilized Iraq.
Oops!