by Lee, 11/30/2010, 11:59 PM

On the morning of Saturday June 19, 2010, two Snoqualmie police officers showed up at the home of Jeff Roetter, a 33-year-old medical marijuana patient. The officers were expecting Roetter to help them in their attempts to prosecute a man who claims he was Roetter’s designated provider, a former Snoqualmie business owner named Bryan Gabriel. Instead, the police and Roetter’s housemate discovered him dead in his room. Roetter, an epileptic, had a violent seizure overnight, banged his head and died.

Even though the case involving Roetter and Gabriel had previously generated some local media attention, Roetter’s death went unreported. Roetter’s family and friends believe that the pressure being put on him by Snoqualmie Police led to his seizure and death, but their attempts to contact various media outlets led nowhere. Months later, they remain angry and frustrated about what happened to him, and they blame Snoqualmie Police.

The story of what happened to Jeff Roetter began in 2009. Roetter was a bartender in Snoqualmie who used marijuana to deal with back pain from a work injury he’d suffered in his 20s. And as an epileptic, he’d found that marijuana helped with stress, which is known to trigger seizures for those with epilepsy. He’d been authorized to use medical marijuana for several years. Over that time, he’d met Bryan Gabriel, who ran two nearby Snoqualmie businesses, a tanning salon and a fitness center.

Gabriel, who moved to Snoqualmie when he was 6 and grew up there, had become very familiar with the world of medical marijuana. He and his brother had seen their grandfather in California use it as he succumbed to cancer. When they discovered that they had friends in their own community who used it, they began supplying it for them. This fact – combined with the fact that Gabriel was a business owner in his 20s in a small town – eventually landed him on the radar of Snoqualmie police.

In July 2009, Gabriel was picked up by two undercover officers who claimed that they’d seen him conduct a drug deal in Covington several months earlier. Gabriel says that the accusation is ridiculous, and no charges were filed at the time. Following this incident – which he says made him feel unsafe in his hometown – he sold his businesses and moved from Snoqualmie to Bellevue.

In the meantime, he and his brother (who remained in the area) continued to be providers for a number of friends and acquaintances who had medical marijuana authorizations. On November 12, 2009, Roetter renewed his physician’s authorization.

On November 28, 2009, Snoqualmie Police arrested Roetter – allegedly for selling some marijuana to an informant – and he was offered a deal if he’d help them arrest Gabriel. Roetter complied and allowed the officers to use him in their sting. He contacted Gabriel and asked him to deliver four ounces of medical marijuana.

Gabriel found the request a little odd. It was more than what he usually wanted and the text messages he received didn’t seem right. They didn’t seem like they were written the way Jeff normally wrote text messages. Despite these red flags, Gabriel and a female friend drove from his new apartment in Bellevue to Snoqualmie to deliver the medicine. When he got there, he was apprehended by a SWAT team in what Gabriel referred to as “full-commando” gear. He then agreed to allow Snoqualmie Police to return with him to his Bellevue apartment. The officers were convinced that Gabriel had a large stash of money there, but all they found were six more ounces of marijuana and the money in Gabriel’s wallet – which they took. They also allegedly took Gabriel’s records as a medical marijuana provider, including proof that Gabriel was in possession of Roetter’s authorization card. And they confiscated his friend’s Ford Taurus.

Gabriel wasn’t immediately charged with anything, and over the next several months, he worked to get his friend’s car back and also hired an attorney, Kurt Boehl. In March, King County finally charged him with possession of marijuana with intent to distribute. Boehl met with Amy Meckling at the King County Prosecutor’s Office to show the documentation proving that Gabriel’s attempt to deliver marijuana to Roetter was perfectly legal. In addition, Roetter produced a statement affirming Gabriel as his designated provider and had it notarized. On June 10, King County officially dismissed the charges and Judge Sharon Armstrong signed an order for Snoqualmie Police to return Gabriel’s marijuana.

Snoqualmie Police refused to comply with the court order, and it was at this point that the story began to get some media attention. On June 16, Snoqualmie Police argued to Judge Armstrong that more charges were coming and that the marijuana couldn’t be returned (the Cannabis Defense Coalition took video of the court proceedings). Armstrong signed a second order saying that unless new charges were filed by June 21, the marijuana would have to be returned on June 22.

Two days later, on June 18, Sgt. Sylvain and Officer Moate of the Snoqualmie PD sought out Roetter, who happened to have a court case that afternoon for a previous DUI. It’s not entirely clear what happened when Snoqualmie Police contacted Roetter. A friend of Jeff’s (who fears retribution from Snoqualmie Police and asked not to be named) told me that the police escorted him to and from the Issaquah courtroom. When I spoke with Sgt. Sylvain, he denied that. Jeff’s friend also said that Jeff was threatened with arrest if he didn’t change his story. Sgt. Sylvain denied that as well, although that denial seems rather implausible considering the circumstances of the case. When Roetter showed up for work that evening, he was described as being despondent and “like a ghost”, and a co-worker advised him to find an attorney. That evening, he had his fatal seizure.

The next morning, the officers showed up at Roetter’s residence. His housemate answered the door and that’s when they discovered his dead body in his room. As word got out, police initially suspected that Gabriel may have poisoned Roetter. An autopsy proved otherwise. Roetter had died from banging his head on the nightstand while having a seizure.

With Roetter’s death, Snoqualmie Police were unable to file new charges against anyone. On June 22, Gabriel went to pick up his marijuana. Gabriel, Boehl, and a small contingent of Cannabis Defense Coalition volunteers showed up at the police station. Officer Moate met them and said that they couldn’t return it until Police Chief Jim Schaffer was there, arguing that they had until midnight to give it back. Boehl then drove to downtown Seattle to get another order clarifying that they had to return the marijuana immediately. Upon his return, Chief Schaffer was there and Gabriel was finally able to get his 10 ounces back.

The same day that they were forced to return his marijuana, June 22, Gabriel was then charged with a Violation of the Uniform Controlled Substances Act (VUCSA) for the incident way back in 2009 that eventually led to him leaving town. When I asked Sgt. Sylvain about the interesting timing of this, he refused to comment. Both Gabriel and his attorney consider these charges to be completely baseless, and there will be a hearing on that case on December 3 at 8:30am.

When I spoke with Sgt. Sylvain about this case, he strongly disputed the characterization of Gabriel as Roetter’s provider. According to Sylvain, Gabriel and Roetter were never really friends, just acquaintances within a small community (Gabriel strongly disputes this and says that he considered Jeff a friend, but others did describe them as just acquaintances). He complained about the vagueness of the medical marijuana laws and even showed some sympathy for the argument to have marijuana legalized. But he was very unwilling to go into many of the specifics of the case, and with the level of anger and suspicion I encountered when talking to people, I wasn’t surprised. He told me that if I wanted to gather more specifics about the case, I’d need to file a public disclosure request, which I’m now in the process of doing with assistance from the CDC.

Roetter’s family and friends remain furious at the conduct of Snoqualmie Police, and several of them were so afraid of potential retribution that they were reluctant to talk to me at all. The ones who did talk to me accuse Snoqualmie Police of lying and intimidation, and believe that the pressure that was put on Roetter caused him to have his fatal seizure. They considered Jeff a good friend and a great person. First and foremost, they just want the truth to be told. Sadly, with the man at the center of this case now deceased, there remain a lot of unanswered questions in this sad tale.

68 Responses to “A Drug War Tragedy in Snoqualmie”

1. enough is enough spews:

wow Lee, thas really reaching. blame the police because an epiletpic has a siezure, hits his head on something, and dies?

what a crock of shit – this hardly helps your arguement to legalize weed…in fact it makes you look pretty silly.

2. howie in seattle spews:

re: enough.

Even without the death, the story here of police “lying and intimidation” in this drug war incident should be of great concern, don’t ya think?

3. Bluecollar Libertarian spews:

Good piece Lee. The more people read and hear about these games that are played by the authorities the better.

4. Politically Incorrect spews:

Time to end Prohibition: legalize marijuana.

5. CC "Bud" Baxter spews:

Let me ask you if this is fair: a person could quit smoking pot two or three weeks before a urine test and fail the urine test, and maybe lose their job. But another person can drink a fifth of vodka per day for the entire week before the same test, maybe keeping dry the day before the test, and pass the test with flying colors.

Does anyone else think this is bullshit? One person is killing himself with a legal toxic poison and he gets a pass, whereas another person is using a non-toxic substance with reasonable restraint, and yet this safer person could lose their job. Losing a job is a horrible penalty in this economy.

We really fell down the rabbit hole. We are well on our way to a police state.

6. Lee spews:

@3
Thanks. There are a couple of things about this case – especially regarding how they first arrested Roetter and why the police considered Gabriel such a high-value target – that remain largely a mystery. Even if I’m able to get some public disclosures, I’m not sure I’ll be able to get to the bottom of it. I wanted to get this post up before Gabriel’s court date on the 3rd, but I’m still hoping to learn more about what happened here.

7. Rujax! Reminding Puddy That a Black Person Voting Republican is Like a Chicken Voting for Col. Sanders Since 2004 spews:

@5…

You are exactly right “Bud”.

We’re a banana republic run by and for the rich. I guess we oughta get used to it.

8. kmq1 spews:

I’ll be honest, having directly seen the results of the abuse of pot, I’m still hesitant to grant it full legal status.

Having said that, I believe that this case showcases where resources are being squandered in the name of a drug enforcement. How much does it cost to deploy a swat team? How many prosecutor hours are taken up prosecuting someone for a few ounces of pot? How does this improve public safety?

The governor is calling for a special session to cut the budget. What would happen if every inmate serving time for pot possession was released? Just pot possession, no robbery or other charges.

9. maureeno spews:

@1
stress is a known trigger of seizures

10. Wunderlick spews:

@9

I have a childhood friend who is epileptic and takes medication to control his seizures, and after the 2 of us watching Apocolypse Now in I think 1980 he had a seizure that very night in his sleep.

11. Snoqualmie Local spews:

I grew up in the Snoqualmie area and knew Bryan personally. The Snoqualmie Police have always been considered the worst to deal with compared to the State Patrol and King County police that are also stationed in the area. This is not an issue of Bryan specifically, but anyone that the Snoqualmie Police feel are making their perfect little town look bad. Fear is a tool they have been using since I lived there, and I doubt anything has changed. I also doubt that this Department is any different than others in similar small towns. I have a lot of respect for some of the Snoqualmie Officers, but there will always be a struggle to uphold the law and maintain respect for their community

12. Ekim spews:

I nominate “enough is enough” @ 1 for compassionate goat fucker of the month.

13. kmq1 spews:

seconded!

14. Broadway Joe spews:

Motion carried.

15. ERock spews:

The dude rolled over and helped the cops bust his friend. You wont get any sympathy from me.

16. Bob spews:

@ enough is enough
You are one sick individual. Stress of any kind to someone that is fighting for their health and life is very unfortunate. The consequence can mean someones life but I guess that is of no concern to you…I just call it as I see it from a patients perspective.

@ kmq1
What are the consequences of abuse of cannabis? Are they worse than abusing food or video games? Please explain..

17. CC "Bud" Baxter spews:

I’m also curious about the alleged consequences of abusing cannabis. It does make you lazy and gives you the munchies, which can cause weight gain, but besides that, I don’t see too many consequences of abuse. Unlike tobacco and alcohol, where all you have to do is read the newspaper and the obits to see the terror of abusing those two “legal” drugs.

I bet in many cases the consequences of abusing cannabis is actually using it in conjunction with a much more deadly drug, like alcohol.

18. persiankid spews:

These Snoqualmie Police officers are a bunch of pathetic cowboys.. They are equally as dumb as they are corrupt… Their pathetic excuse for a PD is trying to put the blame on Gabriel for Roetter’s death. Gabriel poisoning Roetter? Are you f’ng kidding me? More like they scared Jeff Roetter to death by telling him and everyone around him were going to prison for a little bit of marijuana…unfortunately the good citizens of Snoqualmie have to pay these idiots to “protect” them! A Police Officer is an Officer of the court making the Judge their bosses.. funny how they decide that they know the law better than a State Judge…dumbasses.. R.I.P. Jeff

19. enough is enough spews:

@9

awww…fucking cry me a river.

20. enough is enough spews:

waaaaa…stress….waaaaaa….stress…….

everything about our society is full of stress, so fucking what…..

21. Broadway Joe spews:

EoE:

What a fucking douchebag. He’d fit in great with the Snoqualmie po-po.

22. enough is enough spews:

no, douchebags are people who take an act of nature, combine it with a tragic accident, and THEN FUCKING SPIN IT IN ORDER TO FIT THEIR POLITICAL AGENDAS.

OHHH OHHH, some guys dies after having a siezure and bonking his head – LETS SPIN IT INTO OUR “LETS MAKE POT LEGAL” CRUSADE!

so go fuck yourself, Broadway Blow.

23. Lee spews:

@22
I’m not sure what part of this is difficult to understand. Stress causes seizures. The Snoqualmie Police put this man under an extraordinary amount of stress and he had a seizure and died. It’s really not that hard for anyone else here to grasp.

You know, there’s a lot of stuff on the internet. If you’re not smart enough to follow along here, you can always look at YouTube videos of dogs riding skateboards and monkeys playing the violin. That might be more your speed.

24. enough is enough spews:

oh spare me.

I sure wish I could use the ” I was stressed out, man.” excuse every time something bad happened to me.

25. nwshred spews:

@ Erock

Don’t say shit like that without knowing the guy. Jeff was an amazing human being and a great person. The Snoqualmie Police officers are a joke, and every one of them needs to be replaced, especially officer Sylvain, I hope they all suffer legal ramifications due to this. RIP Jeff, you are missed bro.

26. Gulliver spews:

@23

This comment made me smile.

27. Wunderlick spews:

@23

As I posted above, watching Apocolypse Now can cause a seizure.

28. enough is enough spews:

@27

well then in light of that fact, we should make pot legal, and make watching Apocolypse illegal.

and Lee, how would you know about those videos on youtube? have you been roasting it up and zoning out on youtube vids? puff puff whoa dude!

29. imissjr spews:

@25 you nailed it.

30. imissjr spews:

@18 you nailed it too!

31. kris spews:

I can’t believe that the first comment on here is talking shit about someone that died, whoever that was should be ashamed of themselves. where is the compassion?? these were obviously two legal adult individuals that should have a right to use whatever medicine their doctor has prescribed! anyone can look at medical marijuana patients and say whatever crap spews out of their mouth and call them druggies, but the fact it that it is a plant, and we look at everyone popping chemical drugs that their doctor prescribed and think, don’t they realize what they are putting into their body? take a chemistry course and then tell me you know what you are putting inside you. yet it’s these people that are the ones persecuting the rest of the world for what should be their personal choice.

32. Lee spews:

@28
well then in light of that fact, we should make pot legal, and make watching Apocolypse illegal.

Are you advocating making everything that’s stressful illegal? That’s a great idea!

We could get rid of the requirement to take a driving test to get a license. Too stressful! Just show up and get one!

We could outlaw college term papers. And final exams! And in order to eliminate the stress of dating and courtship, we could just implement arranged marriages based upon a lottery system. Although that could be stressful in itself.

Stress is a fact of life as much as it is a health problem. But when the police do things that significantly increase the stress of citizens without there being any benefit to the community (especially when stress is a particular danger for that person), we shouldn’t be hesitant to call them out for it.

and Lee, how would you know about those videos on youtube?

Um, I made those examples up.

Once again, I think it’s fairly clear from this comment thread that this blog isn’t quite your speed. You can make all the stoner jokes you want, but the bottom line is that the only person exhibiting the stereotype of the “stupid pothead” in this comment thread is you. If you have any interest in having an intelligent discussion here, I welcome it. If you’re here to make an ass of yourself, then I’ll continue to point at you and laugh. Your call.

33. CC "Bud" Baxter spews:

Right on Lee. Good smackdown.

You can make all the stoner jokes you want, but the bottom line is that the only person exhibiting the stereotype of the “stupid pothead” in this comment thread is you.

@31 and let’s not forget that many of the chemical pharmaceuticals they are pushing on people are incredible addictive, turning into a lifetime maintenance drug that costs a shitload of money, and has extremely nasty side-effects. People can push whatever stoner jokes they want about cannabis, but the fact is it is about as addictive as a chocolate bar and have very minimal if any side effects. And people can grow it home for next to nothing…gee, now I know why big pharma, who has congress in their hip pocket, hates it so much.

34. Rujax! spews:

22. enough is enough spews:

no, douchebags are people who take an act of nature, combine it with a tragic accident, and THEN FUCKING SPIN IT IN ORDER TO FIT THEIR POLITICAL AGENDAS.

OHHH OHHH, some guys dies after having a siezure and bonking his head – LETS SPIN IT INTO OUR “LETS MAKE POT LEGAL” CRUSADE!

so go fuck yourself, Broadway Blow.

12/01/2010 at 7:09 pm

No, doooooood….

…the douchebag is YOU…you fucking moron.

35. Right Stuff spews:

The story is told in such a way to cast the police in a bad light. Unamed sources are not very credible. This –

A friend of Jeff’s (who fears retribution from Snoqualmie Police and asked not to be named) told me that the police escorted him to and from the Issaquah courtroom. When I spoke with Sgt. Sylvain, he denied that. Jeff’s friend also said that Jeff was threatened with arrest if he didn’t change his story. Sgt. Sylvain denied that as well

Seems like speculation and smear. Are any charges pending against the officers? Are they under investigation?

I do believe that this individual was under stress. There is this…

Two days later, on June 18, Sgt. Sylvain and Officer Moate of the Snoqualmie PD sought out Roetter, who happened to have a court case that afternoon for a previous DUI. It’s not entirely clear what happened when Snoqualmie Police contacted Roetter.

Which indicates that this inidividual was potentially going to lose his driving priviledges, which could impact his employment, living situation, healthcare etc etc…
Isn’t it just as likely that stress from these KNOWN facts could have induced a siezure? Seems more likely to me..But that’s just an opinion gathered from a blog article and using the information in it…

36. Lee spews:

@33
Thanks, and I don’t know if you saw this, but in New Jersey, there’s been some pushback recently on the medical marijuana law. One of the things they tried to do was to modify the law so that doctors had to regularly monitor medical marijuana patients to make sure that they weren’t getting “addicted” to it. Of course, there’s no requirement like this for any of the pharmaceuticals that are actually quite addictive, just for pot.

Needless to say, New Jersey has a big pharmaceutical presence in the state.

37. Lee spews:

@35
The story is told in such a way to cast the police in a bad light.

If there are inaccuracies in the story, point them out. The reason that this story casts the police in a bad light is because the police acted in ways that were quite inappropriate. In fact, I ended up leaving out quite a bit that would have painted them in a far worse light because I couldn’t confirm the accusations made against them.

Unamed sources are not very credible.

I wish that more people were willing to go on the record with me, but people were genuinely afraid of retaliation. You can believe whatever you want, but if anything, I erred on the side of caution in not just repeating every accusation that I heard.

Seems like speculation and smear. Are any charges pending against the officers?

I didn’t accuse them of anything illegal. What they did was arguably unethical, but no officer broke the law as far as I can tell. This is also an indictment of their priorities as police officers, but again, that’s not a legal matter, just something that the public should be aware of.

Which indicates that this inidividual was potentially going to lose his driving priviledges, which could impact his employment, living situation, healthcare etc etc…

Actually, he had already lost his driving privileges (and had for some time before that day). Even at the time of his November arrest, I was told by multiple people that he did not have a drivers’ license. I didn’t mention that in the story because I didn’t think it was entirely relevant, but your query does bring up a good point.

Isn’t it just as likely that stress from these KNOWN facts could have induced a siezure? Seems more likely to me..But that’s just an opinion gathered from a blog article and using the information in it…

Not according to anyone I talked to. There’s no way to accurately measure what relative level of stress a person has from various stressors, but everyone I spoke with (including those who saw him the evening before he passed away), said that the stress of the marijuana case was foremost.

38. Right Stuff spews:

Hey Lee,
This is curious to me.

Actually, he had already lost his driving privileges (and had for some time before that day). Even at the time of his November arrest, I was told by multiple people that he did not have a drivers’ license. I didn’t mention that in the story because I didn’t think it was entirely relevant, but your query does bring up a good point.

He did not have a license but had a DUI arrest? Did he lose his license because of the DUI? Were there other charges like operating a vehicle without a valid license?

I agree here.

There’s no way to accurately measure what relative level of stress a person has from various stressors,

No doubt this is true.

A sad story to be sure. I hope his family finds some peace.

39. Lee spews:

@38
He did not have a license but had a DUI arrest? Did he lose his license because of the DUI?

Yes, he’d previously lost his license due to a DUI. In fact, Gabriel told me that he didn’t initially find it unusual for Roetter to ask him to drive to deliver the 4 ounces to Roetter because he knew that Roetter couldn’t drive to him.

Were there other charges like operating a vehicle without a valid license?

Not that I’m aware of. All I know is that when someone gets a DUI, it ends up being a series of requirements to fulfull (alcohol abuse meetings/classes) and follow-up court dates. This was just one of those follow-up court dates.

40. imissjr spews:

@35
Actually his DUI case was coming to an end.
He had complied to everything, including not driving when he lost his license. Actually I don’t think that Jeff would have ever considered driving without a valid license. You see, Jeff Roetter lived a very conscientious life, he never complained about personal problems. He did not mind walking, and would not burden others for a ride.. In addition Jeff didn’t stress about the little things in life. He was one of the most respectable,and kindest person I have ever known.

RIP Jeff, we miss you every day.

41. Zotz sez: The microchip in Klynical's ass was transmitting 6... 6... 6... spews:

@12, Ekim, dude: I concur on a Golden Goat for our “new” (who knows around here…) goat fucker (irony abounds, huh: eiei-ohhhh!), but “compassionate” and goat fucker are mutually exlusive.

42. Mr. Cynical spews:

Lee–
This poor soul was a “bartender” with a “DUI”?
Did he continue to bartend after the DUI arrest?
Did he have any other prior arrests?
Trying to link his death with police actions is a stretch that does not reach. The cops have every right to try & contact him and discuss issues.
Did he say No or “talk to my lawyer”??

imissjr–
I feel for your loss. Sounds like Jeff was a good friend.

43. Kirk Prindle spews:

Thanks Lee. This is great work.

A very sad story that needs to be heard and understood by more people.

I very much appreciate your work – keep it up.

44. kmq1 spews:

In reference to a question above… my wife’s uncle has serious memory issues and other health problems directly related to his long term usage of pot. I have people I’ve know since high school that have slowly become, literally, Cheech and Chong on a good day. I am always hesitant to legalize one more thing that can cause harm.

But then your point is valid that McDonalds is harmful and we allow people to eat themselves to death. Alcohol is legal and is much more harmful then pot. and don’t get me started on tobacco!

The common argument is that we should legalize pot because it’s harmless, it’s not. Like all other substances that go into our bodies there are certain health risks.

Pot should be legalized, or at the least de-criminalized, strictly from a libertarian point of view. What you choose to put in your body is your choice. It becomes complicated when your choice affects others, such as stealing to support your habit or operating a vehicle under the influence.

How was this gentleman a threat to society or the fabric of the community? Why was there even pressure on someone who, under the medical usage law, was entitled to use?

I just think it’s sad that someone is gone, his death perhaps a result of the stress or not, but we can’t even say for certain because the police choose to interact at the level they did.

45. CC "Bud" Baxter spews:

Your wives uncle probably has some form of dementia or Alzheimer.

Myth: Marijuana Kills Brain Cells. Used over time, marijuana permanently alters brain structure and function, causing memory loss, cognitive impairment, personality deterioration, and reduced productivity.

Fact: None of the medical tests currently used to detect brain damage in humans have found harm from marijuana, even from long term high-dose use. An early study reported brain damage in rhesus monkeys after six months exposure to high concentrations of marijuana smoke. In a recent, more carefully conducted study, researchers found no evidence of brain abnormality in monkeys that were forced to inhale the equivalent of four to five marijuana cigarettes every day for a year. The claim that marijuana kills brain cells is based on a speculative report dating back a quarter of a century that has never been supported by any scientific study.

47. CC "Bud" Baxter spews:

Another quote from the link above.

Myth: Marijuana Impairs Memory and Cognition. Under the influence of marijuana, people are unable to think rationally and intelligently. Chronic marijuana use causes permanent mental impairment.

Fact: Marijuana produces immediate, temporary changes in thoughts, perceptions, and information processing. The cognitive process most clearly affected by marijuana is short-term memory. In laboratory studies, subjects under the influence of marijuana have no trouble remembering things they learned previously. However, they display diminished capacity to learn and recall new information. This diminishment only lasts for the duration of the intoxication. There is no convincing evidence that heavy long-term marijuana use permanently impairs memory or other cognitive functions.

48. CC "Bud" Baxter spews:

49. kmq1 spews:

Bud, I respectfully am not ready to reach the same conclusion as you. I did follow the link you provide and found some information that supported your position and some that where a little more inconclusive. Missing were some of the studies suggesting that marijuana does not have a consistent medical benefit.

The important thing is that we both agree that this is a waste of resources to pursue. That a person has the right to do what they want to their bodies.

I think the argument gets distorted because people like me, who are willing to support legalization, are treated as if we don’t know what we are talking about because we still have legitimate concerns. Some those concerns are based in fact, some of them in anecdotal observation.

I appreciate the dialogue.

50. Lee spews:

@49
Kmq1, I appreciate your comments too. Thanks so much for coming by and sharing your thoughts.

The science is still out on a lot of this stuff, but from what I’ve seen personally and what scientists and researchers have discovered so far is that marijuana is rather similar to alcohol in its psychological addictiveness (less so in chemical addictiveness).

The majority of people are able to use it in moderation (and many people simply dislike the intoxication altogether and use it once or twice and stop), but a small number of people do use it to excess and those very high levels of use can have deleterious effects (especially to lung function).

That said, I’ve known people who use significant amounts of it and function at a very level, and even hold down challenging jobs. A lot of it depends on personality and perhaps other genetic causes. On the other hand, it’s starting to become widely accepted that marijuana and schizophrenia together is a very bad combination. People with a genetic predisposition to schizophrenia put themselves at serious risk when they use marijuana, and the earlier in life they start, the worse it is for their condition.

51. Local Resident spews:

I also have grown up in the Snoqualmie valley and can attest to the fact that the Snoqualmie Police Department is corrupt. Once they have you on their radar, they will do whatever they can to pull you over, arrest you, or intimidate you. This is a well known fact throughout the Valley and needs to be put out there for everyone to see.

They treat people that have been in trouble like criminals for the rest of their lives, even if they do nothing else to attract their attention. I have several examples of this and I’m sure many, many people would love for their stories to be told.

At some point, someone needs to stand up to these officers and let them know that enough is enough. Stop harassing the people that are smoking marijuana to deal with chronic pain, anxiety, and stress and go after the people who are selling OxyContin to our children, teens and friends which is the real problem that is ruining our community!

52. JTRKingofTheSwing spews:

@Enough…
You are clearly an idiot. I knew Jeff well and I know that he literally had ZERO stress. While the thought of zero stress is hard for the majority of us to comprehend… It was truly a fact when it comes to Jeff. He LOVED a life consisting of nothing more than a longboard, a bag of good weed, a guitar, a minimum wage job and a whole shit load of people who loved him.
You see, Dip Shit… When you have no stress and some dumb fucking retards with nothing better to do than haasle 14 year olds for skateboarding on a sidewalk, threaten you with jail time for possesing something you are authorized to posses legally… It can be a huge weight on your shoulders and cause you to be more stressed than an insignificant pile like you, could ever imagine.
For a sinical fuck tard like yourself, who I’m sure has a wife that fucks anyone and everyone that’s not you and more than likely have a litter of asshole children and probably exist in a work environment where you are nothing more than a dork with a computer that nobody cares about or notices… Jeff’s stress seems fairly minimal. However, for Jeff, that stress was VERY real.
For your comments, my hope is that your fat wife cheats on you, gets AIDS and then gives it to you.
You’re a horrible human being and you sir, deserve to die.
Maybe you would like to make a trip to Snoqualmie some day and see how the STRESS of me bashing your head into a fucking curb would affect you?

53. Puddybud identifying useless Moonbat!s since 2005 and identifying rujax as an arschloch and zotz as a fool! spews:

While what happened to the man sucks and his death was avoidable and you may have a strong opinion on the Snoqualmie Fuzz, was all that necessary #52?

Progressivism in action in post #52.

54. JTRKingofTheSwing spews:

@53

I would hardly say that referring to the Snoqualmie PD as “dumb fucking retards with nothing better to do than hassle 14 year olds for skateboarding on the sidewalk” a strong opinon… much closer to a statement of fact. Trust me… I watch it happen almost daily.
Not nearly as strong as the emotions tied to losing a good friend and watching his mother, sister, long time girlfriend, best friend and room mate and the other 350 people that showed up at his favorite bar for his memorial cry their eyes out while watching a 30 minute video of his life… including the song he wrote/sang to his young niece.
So was what necessary #53?.. My feeling that an asshole like EOE should die or have horrible things happen to him for his simple dismissal and rude comments (like “waaaa stress” & “cry me a river”)while discussing a close friend of mines death? Is any of this discussion “necessary”? So was that your question or did you mean to ask if it was warranted? If so, yeah… I think it was and if you disagree, that is up to you. Let me know how it feels when someone does the same when talking about a friend of yours that died way too early that you will never see again. In addition, the comment about bashing his or her head into a curb was in the form of a question and an attempt at pointing out the coward that uses hurtful words like the aforementioned quotes from some of EOE’s prior posts, under the cover of the internet. So while it may not have been necessary it was a question directed at him or her and should be left to them to answer.

@ EOE
I still hope you die. Preferably from AIDS contracted from your significant other.

55. Puddybud identifying useless Moonbat!s since 2005 and identifying rujax as an arschloch and zotz as a fool! spews:

Let me know how it feels when someone does the same when talking about a friend of yours that died way too early that you will never see again.

It seems to Puddy you are acting just like all other progressives here on this blog!

56. JTRKingofTheSwing spews:

Great! That was awesome… 3rd person and all. Progressive, Progressive, Progressive… who cares. Here’s a challenge… find a synonym of progressive and see how many ways you can use that. Cheers to all the other progressives on this blog!

57. enough is enough spews:

@52

ahahahahhhahhaha…another internet tough guy! hahahahhha….does your boyfriend know you talk so dirty?

internet tough guys…you gotta love em!

58. enough is enough spews:

@52 cont……great…yet another lazy pot head who didnt pay a dime in federal taxes….and I should shed a tear why?

59. tricia spews:

Enough is enough………..you have such a tiny mind it must be horrible to be you. I feel sorry for you.

60. enough is enough spews:

thanks for the kind thoughts tricia…..

61. shame on the popo spews:

looks like EOE is the SNOPO!!! nice job by throwin in the federal taxes comment…. only you would know. currupt cops i’ve witnessed your bullshit. too bad you had to put jeff through it for years. RIP Jeff you are missed by many people.

62. Nyrathotep spews:

Let the good ol boy take Sgt. Sylvain and Officer Moate of the Snoqualmie PD to the shower, If you know what I mean old fashioned style. Just the way the hill billys like their justice. One in the head. They can live it they can die by it! Leave e’m in the hills and stay out. If your black and want to live you better stay out of the hills for they love hunting them down for pleasure. And anyone who denies it is a blind fool…

63. Nyrathotep spews:

Sence the gun is all the cops understand, maybe it’s time for an armed rebelion with Sgt. Sylvain and Officer Moate of the Snoqualmie PD as it first casualtys. Let’s make them first in line to hell if that is all they want for the community! They probably beat their wives into submision twice daly. Not to mention what they do to their kids. God help them!!!

64. Nyrathotep spews:

See ya at Starbucks boys in blue… You might want to keep your backs to the wall. Keep an eye out for all your victims who you just might have pushed to far…

65. Nyrathotep spews:

Sence all the cops deal in fear. Now it’s time for them to live in fear or their dealings. That side arm of there’s only works if they see it comming… As they well know in Lakewood…

66. shame on the popo spews:

WOW nyrathotep… i know plenty of people that dont like the sno-po but they would never want anyone dead so knock it off about the cop killer shit…. not needed.

Oh and another thought on the SNOPO that maybe no one has realized here…. they asked Jeff to set up his designated provider!!!! DUMBASSES!!!! Didn’t they realize they would look like idiots in the start of all this??? that Gabriel wouldn’t present correct documentation of Jeff’s authorization of medical marijuana??? i pondered this the whole investigation considering im very familiar with it. And now there pissed???? I concluded over a year ago that they must just be straight fucking retarded to spend a bunch of money on some innnocent business owner and a harmless epileptic patient and get NO WHERE but causing someone so much pain in their life that he ends up having a seizure and passing away. The Snopo’s actions are clearly to blame here, but im sure there are some on the dream team that mean well.

67. shame on the popo spews:

that Gabriel WOULD present correct documentation of Jeff’s authorization of medical marijuana******

68. John Novak spews:

15. ERock spews:
The dude rolled over and helped the cops bust his friend. You wont get any sympathy from me.

It isn’t that easy. Stress does effed up stuff to your brain, especially when you are already an epileptic. Paranoid delusions, hallucinations, you get the whole gammut of metal disorders with epilepsy and stress.

I literally could not sleep for almost 2 months after I was raided. I could not shut my brain off.

This is a very sad story. My heart goes out to the families involved. This situation for medical patients in this state is getting out of hand. We are not second class citizens and in the vast majority of cases, NOT CRIMINALS!