18 ballots counted

From today’s Seattle P-I:

A recount in the King County sheriff’s primary race revealed 18 ballots that weren’t counted in the initial tally — an embarrassing misstep for an elections department trying to repair its image after a troubled 2004 election.

And embarrassing misstep. Hmm. But is it?

A new state law passed since last fall allows elections officials to include ballots discovered in the count, Bascom said.

“There’s no question that the errors are unfortunate. They’re the kind of thing we don’t like to see.

“But there have been a lot of improvements since the last election,” Bascom said. She added that election workers discovered the ballots during the county’s reconciliation process and counted them.

So actually, the ballots were counted after all. The reconciliation process worked. That’s a good thing, right?

I dunno… just doesn’t seem all that embarrassing to me.

One clarification… the ballots were found during the recount, not because of it. These ballots were discovered during the reconciliation process, due to new, stricter controls. Thus, these ballots represent no error rate at all, as they were counted during the normal procedures that are now in place.


  1. 1

    Puddybud spews:

    Must be something there for the grotesquely liberal Seattle Puke-Indigestioner to write about it. Now Goldy, you are back to disagreeing with the Pee-Eye again? I thought you, JOEL CONNELLY, and ROBERT L. JAMIESON Jr. were best of friends.

    Now here’s a T-Shirt worth purchasing!!!

    http://www.lifelibertyetc.com/product.aspx?pid=5 – The only way today!

  2. 2


    But what if not for the recount?

    But what if this is only the first time ballots were found?

    Good God, Goldy don’t you get it? The next time it could be your ballot!

  3. 4

    righton spews:

    Only KCRE could love and live this mantra “There’s no question that the errors are unfortunate. They’re the kind of thing we don’t like to see”

    What beautiful spin..

  4. 5

    Curtis Love spews:

    Josef @ 2
    If there’s no recount, it’s because the election was not close enough that the inevitable miniscule anomalies will affect the outcome.

    No human endeavor is without error. That’s just a fact.

  5. 6


    Comment by Curtis Love— 10/5/05 @ 6:33 am

    Gee, I thought you wanted every vote to count. Guess not.

    I want every legal vote to count. Don’t you?

    Fellow patriot, I hope: Stop making excuses, will you?

  6. 7

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    Explain for us precisely the “reconciliation process” that must have worked???? Have you seen the reconciliation form Goldy??
    Have you actually reviewed the SOURCE DATA they plugged in to these reconciliation forms Goldy???
    Nice independent fraudit by our resident frauditer GOLDY!!!

  7. 8

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    I’m so damn sick of the KINGCO ERECTIONS, I think it’s high time we bring in the BIG guns!!!
    Goldy has his gay, pencil-necked geek of an Attorney he likes to call Lawyer X………
    Well Goldy, start shakin’ you incompetent fool. I have my own secret lawyer and he has bowling bowls for testicles and zero sense of humor for LEFTIST PINHEADS.
    Oh and his name is Dick VanDyke!!!!!
    This SOB will make Dean Logan wish he were Weird Al Yankovic!!

  8. 11

    Puddybud spews:

    Were those ballotless voters or voterless ballots? Maybe these were felons, friend of Ron Sims? Can I have a database witness? Give me a join! Give me a table! Give me a report! Yeeeaaaah!

    Who gave authority to include these ballots? Was the infamous Bill Huennekens approval used again? Was Dean Logan the master of acceptance ceremonies leader? Were these votes from Ron Sims district? Who authorized the clean up procedure? Too many open questions. Is that better Josef?

  9. 12


    Comment by Puddybud— 10/5/05 @ 7:00 am

    Yeah. This is happening again.

    Fire Dean Logan. Do it now. W/ either the Trump or the Dunn or the flame-thrower, I could care less.

  10. 13

    JCH spews:

    “….., It’s who counts the votes”. [Joe Stalin] Remember, any black Democrat holding an elective office CANNOT be held responsible or accountable because………..he or she is a black Democrat. Get it?

  11. 14

    Nindid spews:

    Are these guys (Puddy and Joe) intentionally stupid, or just spouting on reflex?

    I’ll skip the explanations because you guys are immune to evidence anyway, so lets just leave it at this. If there EVER were to be an election of this scope with no errors, it would be an absolute sure sign of fraud. When you deal with millions of ballots, you attempt to keep your error rate as small as possible. Eliminating it is simply not possible….

  12. 15

    rwb spews:

    18 out of how many ballots. What’s the percentage we’re talking about here?
    Maybe we should just construct robots to run the elections.
    Yeah….robots. Then in 50 years they’ll want to vote too. We won’t let them. They’ll protest, form their own nation. They’ll rebel. Soon they’ll be making more robots, only robots that look like us….yeah human looking robots. Then they’ll launch their attack. A robot attack from space. And the human looking robots will want to mate with us, breed us out of existence….Mmmmmmmmm….robot sex…..

    So quit whining about a miniscule error percentage or we’ll all be killed (or raped) by robots.

  13. 16

    Janet S spews:

    Come on, all you apologists for King County Elections – this was a very small primary that was highly scrutinized. And they still screwed it up.

    I can’t figure out if the ballots that were found should have been rejected, but then were accepted by a judgement call, or if they were legit and shouldn’t have been rejected. The reconciliation process doesn’t seem to work if it only kicks in during a recount.

    I’d love to see what the error rate is if hundreds of ballots went uncounted. Not enough information to figure out how they were spread out. I guess we will need SP to figure out the details. Oh, that’s right, none of you think that will be a worthwhile exercise.

  14. 18

    headless lucy spews:

    Eliminating all mistakes is not the righty goal. Sowing distrust is their goal. So, once again, deceit is what THEY are REALLY up to. That’s why they think they see it in everyone else— because that’s what they are all about.

  15. 19

    HowCanYouBePROUDtobeAnASS spews:

    Don’t you fringies feel the slightet bit dirty constantly defending the incompetence of the folks you put in power?

  16. 20

    James S. spews:

    Remember that this was a partial re-count. So imagine how many mistakes could have been found in a full re-count.

  17. 21


    Comment by Janet S— 10/5/05 @ 8:05 am

    Well said.

    Comment by Nindid— 10/5/05 @ 7:49 am, Comment by headless lucy— 10/5/05 @ 8:08 am

    Eliminating all mistakes is my goal, thank you very much. Get your head back on.

  18. 23

    Felix Fermin spews:

    18 mistakes out of 300,569 ballots cast – an error rate of 0.00598 percent; error detected and corrected … and your panties are in a bunch.

    You righty pinheads really need to get a grip on reality.

  19. 24


    Comment by James S.— 10/5/05 @ 8:38 am

    Well said, too.

    Frankly this just shows why Reagan Dunn is righton. Literally. Fire. Dean. Logan.

    Thank you.

  20. 25


    Comment by Felix Fermin— 10/5/05 @ 8:41 am

    I think you just are tone-deaf or something about our democracy. What if that was your ballot?

  21. 26


    Let me ask a serious question: If Dean Logan was Stefan Sharkansky, what would you say?

    Would you join me in outrage over our failed democracy?

  22. 27

    Thomas Trainwinder spews:


    It’s not about error rate. It’s about right wings not being voted in power here. We should feel good that we are not getting locally what we get from the right wing dominated federal government.

    On another note, Bush has “no recollection” about any abortion discussion with his 10+year close, personal friend and confidant Harret Miers.

    I’d like ANY righty to believe and defend that. What a stupid thing to say.

  23. 29

    HowCanYouBePROUDtobeAnASS spews:

    The only thing that makes me feel dirty is knowing our species is capable of producing you. Comment by Aaron— 10/5/05 @ 8:41 am

    Aren’t you the mature one?

  24. 30

    HowCanYouBePROUDtobeAnASS spews:

    I’d like ANY righty to believe and defend that. What a stupid thing to say. -Comment by Thomas Trainwinder— 10/5/05 @ 8:45 am

    That’s easy. We all have friends, business acquaintances, pals, neighbors with whom we haven’t had that discussion – or one concerning the gas tax, the illegitimate queen sitting on her ass in Olympia, global warming, Rush Limbaugh, PETA or any number of contentious issues. I have known OUR ATTORNEY since 1979 and I could not tell you where he stands on any of those issues. I pay him to advise me – that his J-O-B – not to dissect geo-political problems.

  25. 31

    Puddybud spews:

    Amazing how you LEFTIST PINHEADs love to lump us as one gaggle of geese. I see my lawyer once every two months. We call and say hello every so often but his beliefs are not fully known to me.
    Why do you feel so threatened when we take you on?
    Who cares about Bush and his no-recollection? We don’t have strict litmus tests like your side does.
    Where is the Pro-life democratic party faithful? Why are they not given an opportunity to speak out? Muzzle 101?
    Why can’t LEFTIST PINHEADs admit an error but want us apologizing everywhere when we implement similar conversational tones and methods?
    What benefit is to the general public if everyone lock goosestep marches to your drum when in national elections you are the LOSERS?
    How come you throw a fit when we identify the same local cronyism you decry at the national level?

  26. 32

    GBS spews:

    Can any conservative blogger identify the county within the state of Washington that runs a perfect election, or at the very least, an election with an error rate that is acceptable?

  27. 33

    Larry the Urbanite spews:

    OK Puddybud. It’s been over 5 years since the Florida fiasco. And we still have election issues on the National AND local level. But I don’t see conservatives jumping up and down about improving our election system, or spending any significant money on it either. Why? 2 reasons: 1) If every legal vote was counted the way it should be, Democrats would win more often. Disenfranchising the poor, uneducated, or marginal people who can’t or don’t know what thier rights are or don’t know how to fight back works in the conservative’s favor. 2) Improving the system might unearth the Republican’s ties to the election machine manufacturer, Diebold and the associated conflict of interest issues.

    Finally, you talk about conversational tones yet use the word PINHEAD (in caps no less). Kind of a contradiction isn’t it?

  28. 34

    HowCanYouBePROUDtobeAnASS spews:

    You actually sounded somewhat lucid, Larry, till you trotted out the Diebold conspiracy lunacy.

    Every single Conservative proposal – you know, the easy ones, the sane ones, like re-registering, voter ID, photo ID, have been shot down by those oh so progressive liberals.

    If you were truly interested in clean, accurate elections you would start there, then move on to eliminating absentee ballots except in the case of the military or PROVEN legitimate reasons for needing one. But, we all know, you won’t.

  29. 35

    Larry the Urbanite spews:

    Republicans are in power in Fed gov’t. House, Senate and the Usurpistration. So how did the progressives shoot it down? Why didn’t the conservatives “go nuclear” on this issue? Why doesn’t it even make the front page? Also, it’s not just about registering the legal voters properly* but upgrading machines/devices, hiring more staff to process ballots and administer the system, etc, etc. That costs money, and we all know how conservatives are all about spending money to give the disenfranchised the vote. Sorry. Occams Razor says my explanation is better (even with the Diebold conspiracy put to one side for now)

    * The “easy” proposals you mention are, interestingly enough, exactly the tools that conservatives are using to deny people the right to vote. Poor people don’t always have a car, so no driver’s license, so no ID, so no vote. Hmm, that would skew the results toward rich people wouldn’t it?

  30. 36

    GBS spews:

    @ 35

    What about the people in Democratic precincts in Ohio that had to wait in excess of 8 hours to vote. The Republican Secretary of State failed to provide adequate voting machines as required by Ohio state law.

  31. 37


    ass @ 34
    none of those suggestions are sane. Re-registering is not only illegal, it would lead to massive danger of fraud. And ID’s is a problem looking for a solution…can you name ONE person who voted at the polls under a name that was not their own? How about instead of IDs we simply switch to mail balloting, and then it will never happen again (and save money,and prevent provisional ballot foulups to boot!)

  32. 39


    Comment by Felix Fermin— 10/5/05 @ 8:45 am

    That it happened in the first place.

    Comment by GBS— 10/5/05 @ 9:23 am


    Comment by HowCanYouBePROUDtobeAnASS— 10/5/05 @ 9:33 am

    Second that. Yesterday, no s–t, I had found a bunch of mail dumped by my mailbox – including a jury summons. Gee, I wonder if they were looking for my county’s permanent absentee ballot system (thank you, Mr. Bush).

  33. 40


    Comment by torridjoe— 10/5/05 @ 10:08 am

    Oh, please.

    Comment by GBS— 10/5/05 @ 10:06 am

    Yeah, that sucked too. I totally concur.

    Comment by Larry the Urbanite— 10/5/05 @ 10:00 am

    I don’t have a car, but I’d buy the ID. Thank you for your respectfully misplaced concern :-). Seriously, thanks but no thanks.

  34. 41

    GBS spews:

    @ 39

    What is the error rate in Skagit? What is their process vs. King County’s and can it be duplicated in King County?

  35. 42

    Janet S spews:

    If the error rate was only 18 out of 309,000, that would be good. But it wasn’t. The recount was a small subset of total votes. Also, lots of reports have been made of those receiving more than one absentee ballot or ballots returned unprocessed.

    My concern is that these are the exact same problems that showed up the last time, and that KCE has said were unique to the large turnout. Seems they are wrong again. Not sure why you want to defend them so badly.

    Why does it seem that the biggest voter problems are in counties and precincts controlled by Democrats?

  36. 43

    Curtis Love spews:

    I’d love every vote to be counted. But in any system you can devise, and under ANY POSSIBLE elections management, some very small number of votes will be missed in a single count.

    So I think it is most often an acceptable deal and an acceptable level of cost to have (as present law allows) only one count when the vote total is not very close.

    Who gave authority to include these ballots?
    It’s a new state law passed after the last election. You don’t seem to be paying attention.

  37. 44

    Curtis Love spews:

    Janet S
    You are wrong. The error rates in the 2004 election in some heavily GOP counties was higher that in King County. The NUMBER of errors was highset where the most voters voted, but the eror RATE was not highest in KingCo.

  38. 45

    Mr. X spews:

    OK dumbasses – 18 votes out of nearly 19,000 counted is an error rate of .001% – well within the acceptable margin of error for any election, and nowhere near the thousands and thousands who were illegally disenfranchised in Florida and Ohio during Rethug voter roll purges. So go fuck yourselves, already.

  39. 46

    Janet S spews:

    Curtis Love – what is your data? My stats show King County had a higher rate of error than other counties.

    Mr. X – my concern is the nature of the error. The report also doesn’t state if the counts were identical except for the finding of the 18 extra votes. Were any totals changed? I guess we won’t know until 2:00 pm today.

  40. 47

    Puddybud spews:

    Curtis: I know about the law. I am asking internally how do we know the pedigree of the vote? Oh lookie here where did this vote come from? We didn’t count this one. Well where did it come from? Man you don’t pay attention to what we on the right are saying?

    Urbanite Larry: We didn’t invent the hanging chad. Regarding the voting issues in minority areas; who controls the voting machine in minority areas. Your side does. You are the dog catcher to the mayor and city councils. It’s incumbent on your side to ensure enough voting machines are in the precincts and manned by democrats. You love to project the voting problem on the higher ups when it’s the liberal cities and counties that screw it up. Just like Ohio in 2004. Your side controls the voting system. Look at USA Today article on the Chicago hiring indictments against Richard M. Daley’s regime. Poor black people overlooked for promotions and they went to the whites. Why? Political patronage or ass-kissing. You guys tell me which one it was.

  41. 48

    rwb spews:

    ass at 30

    “That’s easy. We all have friends, business acquaintances, pals, neighbors with whom we haven’t had that discussion “

    but none of them have been nominated to the Supreme Court of the UNITED STATES!!!
    We all know that any nominee will be asked about abortion among many other issues. The President knows this too (and if he doesn’t, he’s even stupider than he already looks and how in the hell can you continue to defend him???)
    For him to say they’ve never had that conversation is BS. He should have had it with her before he offered her the job. He knows it will come up. By him saying he hasn’t discussed it with her, he’s just confirming the fact that this is simply a continuation of the cronyism that infects this administration.

  42. 49

    Goldy spews:

    I have updated the post to include the following note:

    One clarification… the ballots were found during the recount, not because of it. These ballots were discovered during the reconciliation process, due to new, stricter controls. Thus, these ballots represent no error rate at all, as they were counted during the normal procedures that are now in place.

  43. 50

    HowCanYouBePROUDtobeAnASS spews:

    ‘Ms Miers can you handle this legal problem for me? Oh by the way, how do you feel about women murdering their babies in the womb?’

    Yep, that’s a sure an appropriate segue.

    I’ll be sure to ask our attorney of 26 years – at his fees I’m absolutely positive he’ll be glad to expound on it for hours

  44. 51

    righton spews:

    REally wierd that loyalty to the Gregoire election makes you all have to still argue that voting can’t be accurate. Wierd how politics twists your minds around

  45. 52

    GBS spews:

    righton @ 51

    “Accurate” is a relative term. Specifically, what would be an acceptable error rate to you?

    And, how would you propose that all counties in the state of Washignton acheive your “acceptable” error rate?

  46. 53

    Josef spews:

    Comment by GBS— 10/5/05 @ 10:17 am

    Try zero. We have an elected auditor, BTW.

    Comment by Janet S— 10/5/05 @ 10:23 am

    You can rebut for me Comment by Mr. X— 10/5/05 @ 10:54 am

    Here’s the issue: They should have been counted during the original count and reconciliation, period.

    This proves Reagan Dunn, me, John Carlson, me, Stefan Sharkansky, me, and Marummy right that King County Elections is one broke department.

  47. 55

    GBS spews:

    Josef @ 53

    I suspected that zero would be the number, but just stating that we have an elected auditor doesn’t layout your proposal to achieve your stated position.

    So I will ask the question again; how would you propose that all counties in the state of Washignton acheive a zero error rate?

  48. 56

    Josef spews:

    Comment by GBS— 10/5/05 @ 2:00 pm

    I think simply doing what the law says is the answer.

    I will get many hateful replies to this, but both Thurston and Skagit Counties have elected… wait for it… this will hurt… Republican Auditors. Their error rates: Try zero.

  49. 57

    Puddybud spews:

    Josef: You are a great American!

    Hmmm…? Zero, does that say perfection? Say it ain’t so. Done by Republicans? Hmmm…?

  50. 58

    GBS spews:

    Josef @ 53 continued:

    If KCE is “one broke department” and this proves you and the aforementioned persons correct, then what does that say for every other county in Washington? That they are perfect and a model on how to run elections?

    And, if getting a zero error rate is the key issue, then why aren’t you and the others harping on every other county in the state to comply with this notion of a zero tolerance policy?

    Why the focus solely on King County? Is the principle at the heart of the matter getting all voting tally’s correct state wide, or just where the Liberals vote that ultimately causes defeat your candidates?

  51. 59

    GBS spews:

    Josef @ 56

    Forgive me for being suspicious, but when you say that Thurston and Skagit counties have zero error rates can you substantiate that statement for me?

    I’d be seriously interested in learning exactly how they obtain perfection in each of their elections. I’m a far left leaning Liberal Democrat, but if a Republican auditor is achieving 100% perfection county wide, then I want to learn how they are accomplishing that and under what circumstances.

    If they’ve perfected the perfect elections board I would get behind a cause to replicate that not just state wide, but nation wide.

    Please lead me to the information you are citing.

    Thank you in advance for the information.

  52. 60

    Mr. X spews:

    Josef #53

    Sure I can – of course they should have been counted the first time, but mistakes happen in all elections, and even if .001 of the nearly 19,000 votes that were reviewed weren’t counted initially, they were later. This type of error occurs in just about every election in just about any jurisdiction – that’s why we have recounts in close races (you never hear about this sort of error in an election where there is a clear winner because an error rate .001% or even higher has no bearing on the outcome).

    Move along, trolls, nothing to see here….

  53. 61

    Mark1 spews:

    As long as “I couldn’t find my ass with a flashlight and a mirror” Dean Logan is still around, the election system in KC will always be illegitimate, corrupt, and dishonest (deliberate or otherwise). That’s what happens when the King of Incompetence is allowed to reign. You want to make the sysytem legit again? Simple….Dean Logan=unemployment line. Period.

  54. 62

    Mr. X spews:

    Yo Mark,

    To be fair (granted, not a hallmark of Rethug behavior), KC elections was fucked up long before Logan arrived.

  55. 63

    Janet S spews:

    I’m confused – if the ballots were found DURING the recount, it means they would not have found if there hadn’t been a recount. Were all other precincts in the county similarly reconciled, even the ones not included in the recount? Were any other problems found?

    It is hard to believe that the selective recount just happen to be in a precinct that had 18 missing/found ballots.

  56. 64

    righton spews:

    How about we do some things that lead to clean elections, not just harp about what is perfection.

    I’d be happy to
    a) give up my absentee voting
    b) ink my thumb when i vote so i cannot double vote
    c) show my drivers license
    d) be turned away if i went to the wrong place

    as for D, yeah some folks will need help. How about 2 piles of ballots; the ones from clean, inked, ID’d precincts, and then one massive pile of all the exceptions. Then have good and restrictive rules on counting, including those (like i moved, lost my paperwork, etc)

  57. 67

    Josef spews:

    Comment by GBS— 10/5/05 @ 2:18 pm

    Sorry to say I don’t have the details.

    But here’s the 5-cent version: I listened to the testimony of Thurston Auditor Kim Wyman during the Election trial.

    I also know some people in my county’s (Skagit’s) election department.

    My point: They make a point of following the law. You don’t see that in King County Elections.

  58. 68

    Josef spews:

    Comment by Janet S— 10/5/05 @ 3:55 pm

    That is res ipsa loquitor.

    I hope you agree w/ me: “Move along, trolls, nothing to see here…” Priceless, arrogant, anti-American attitude.

    Our democracy deserves better.

    Count all the legal votes and only the legal votes. Get matters right, King County.

    David Irons for King County Executive – we can’t afford anybody else.

  59. 69

    Thomas Trainwinder spews:

    @30 and 31

    This is his close personal friend and confidant…not only lawyer!

    I watched his news conference. Bush made it clear that she is unbelievablly close to him.

    This is not a lawyer he sees every now and then.

    He lied straight up — yet your double standards refuse to admit it. All of your arguments would be much more credible if you admit Bush was wrong to lie to the American People on this.

  60. 70

    Aexia spews:

    I will get many hateful replies to this, but both Thurston and Skagit Counties have elected… wait for it… this will hurt… Republican Auditors. Their error rates: Try zero.

    You’re joking right? Thurston county had to recount about 80K ballots last year because an elections worker pressed the wrong button.

    They discovered in Skagit county that the scanning software miscounted 1 in 2500 votes in the Governor’s race.

    Try again.

  61. 71

    yearight spews:


    And the dems want to go to 100% optical scan? The 1 in 2500 would put the error in the Rossi/Gregoire race at about 800 votes. Not bad for a 150 vote race.

  62. 72

    GBS spews:

    righton @ 64

    I’m happy to discuss how to improve the election process, but when a claim of a “zero error rate” is made in not one, but two counties, I want to learn more. It’s too important to ignore those kinds of facts.

    While I understand your positions on improving the process they lend themselves to other problems.

    A) Absentee ballots – A person could be impaired to such a degree that traveling to the polling station is impractical, or in some cases impossible due to lack of transportation and/or rural location. Or traveling overseas on legitimate business, vacation or serving in the military.

    B) When I was in the military we used to say “A lock only keeps an honest man honest.” The point here is that if I can ink my thumb, believe me when I say you can get solvents to remove them just a quickly. I’ve spent time a lot of time working with solvents that do just that. It’s no big trick no matter how indelible the claim, except tattooing.

    C) I’ll agree here, the point being proper identification. I am against registering to vote at DOL. Felons and non-citizens can legally obtain drivers licenses, so I’m for a voter ID card that is granted to eligible citizens through other outlets than DOL.

    D) No way. It’s not some left-wing, moonbat claim that people with conservative interest mail out fraudulent direct mail campaigns stating the wrong voting days or wrong locations to heavily Democratic areas. Anywhere in your home state you should be able to cast a provisional ballot with the proper identification.

    See? That wasn’t so painful was it?

  63. 73

    GBS spews:

    josef @ 67

    I’m going to have to sharply disagree with your words, and I don’t think I’m parsing your words either.

    THE point you made, no, strike that, the FACT you stated, was that in Thurston and Skagit Counties there obtained a ZERO error rate in their vote tallys.

    Now you say “My point: They make a point of following the law. You don’t see that in King County Elections.:

    Which is it those two counties obtained a perfect election without mistakes or they make a point to follow the law. And, by following the law is that what made their election perfect? Or are you backing off the zero error claim now?

  64. 74

    Aexia spews:

    Or are you backing off the zero error claim now?

    Well, he would have to since they obviously didn’t have zero error rates. I mean, how do you not count numerous entire precincts? And Skagit simply has a built-in error rate.

  65. 75

    GBS spews:

    Aexia @ 74

    I knew the claim was false from the get go. Had Josef been on this blog when Rossi was having his day in court, Josef would have learned from Goldy’s great coverage that every county had errors in counting the votes. This is not just a King County problem, AND, other counties had a higher error rate than KC in heavily Republican counties. No complaining from the count every leagal vote crowd here though. Hmmmmm. . . .

    You know the old saying about giving someone enough rope.

    Josef, he hung himself on his own non-factual claims of perfection. I knew it would happen. You did, too.

  66. 76

    GBS spews:

    This proves Reagan Dunn, me, John Carlson, me, Stefan Sharkansky, me, and Marummy right that King County Elections is one broke department.

    Comment by Josef— 10/5/05 @ 1:39 pm

    Uh, Josef, you just proved that all the people you mentioned were wrong. Regan Dunn, YOU, John Carlson, YOU, Stefan Shar”K”ansky, YOU, and Marummy WRONG.

    Thanks for making my point though, I really appreciate your help.

  67. 77

    GBS spews:

    Josef: You are a great American!

    Hmmm…? Zero, does that say perfection? Say it ain’t so. Done by Republicans? Hmmm…?

    Comment by Puddybud— 10/5/05 @ 2:09 pm

    Puddybud, do you want to recant your written statement?

  68. 78

    GBS spews:

    Well, I’m bored with proving conservatives wrong as usual.

    Todays tally:
    Democrats: 1
    Republicans: “zero” error rate, hahahahahaha. In TWO counties.


    Man, that is funny.

  69. 79

    Puddybud spews:

    If Josef is wrong, I’ll call him on it. Usually Josef is a great American so I’ll wait for him to tell me what’s the truth? Was it zero or not?

  70. 82

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    Jefferson County ran a perfect election last November and a perfect election this primary.
    # votes===3 of voters.
    Same number of voters all 3 counts in November.
    Others have done it too.
    Ernie Hawkins, the Frauditor, was not even looking for FRAUD. That’s why he didn’t find any for God’s sake.
    LEFTIST PINHEADS are absolutely cueless about the “scope” of AUDITS. LEFTIST PINHEADS don’t even care about the “scope”…they fail to even want to comprehend what Auditors were looking for and precisely what they looked at.
    This recent Audit will go down as complete waste of $312,000….unless your Sims & Logan who are trotting it around like it somehow vindicates them.
    Where there is smoke, there is fire.
    Stefan continues to find things every day with limited information. Stefan is finding things based on what KingCo finally turned over to him MONTHS after his request. Who the hell knows if anything is missing. I still fail to understand how in the Hell it took MONTHS for Logan to give Stefan access to November Absentee envelopes????????????
    Ron Sims, Dean Logan and Bill Huennekens gotta go.
    Folks may not know David Irons very well.
    But they sure as hell know SIMS, LOGAN and HUENNEKENS by their works!!!! If you want to perpetuate mediocrity and sleaze….for sure vote for Don Ron Sims King!!!

  71. 83

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    If Ron Sims wins in November===Dean Logan keeps his job
    If Ron Sims loses in November==Dean Logan gets FIRED.
    If David Irons wins in November===Dean Logan gets FIRED!!!

    Dean Logan is in-charge of counting the baloots in November.
    That is the bottom-line!!!!!!!!!!!!

  72. 84


    What amazes me is why there is any debate about democratic voter fraud. Mention IDing at polls and it is just like you put a stake through Dracula’s heart. Why would anyone take these guys seriously! You would be better off listening to an unemployed motivational speaker than these donks on fraudulent elections.

  73. 86

    Thomas Trainwinder spews:

    David Irons talks about how people don’t trust government anymore….and he’ll change that…

    HE IS GOVERNMENT! HE’s the one we don’t trust!

    He attacks and attacks in his ad and then talks about how he’ll bring people together.

    What a load…..what a crock….

  74. 87

    righton spews:


    my idea #4 can likely be improved by an expert like Shark (had to say that)….i don’t know the exact way, but its NOT the ways KC does it…. gotta have a way to allow legit “provisionals” and not double count, nor count illegitimate ones. KC allows both all too often.

  75. 88

    SP Fan spews:


    Anyone is better than Don Ron Sims who is perpetrating fraud in our State and covering it up with a sham audit. It is affecting the rest of us honest people who live in counties that do have error free elections.

    Count every vote, yeah right. Count every legal vote is more like it should be.

    Besides that dip shit thinks he’s running a bank! And NO I don’t trust him or government. Fuckin commies!

  76. 89

    HowCanYouBePROUDtobeAnASS spews:

    Sadly, Sims will win.

    But… actions have consequences

    The re-election of Mr Good Home Training will lead to the successfull secession of rural eastern King county in ’06.

    Those wise voters of of the newly formed Cedar/Cascade/ANYTHING-but-corrupt-King County will then elect David Irons as County Exec. Mr Irons will remain in the job until 2012, at which time Governor Rossi, who will have booted the illegitimate queen chrissy out on her horsesass in ’08 and turned Washington from a sorry third rate state to a successful top rate state and the desired destination of citizens, businesses and vacationers, will announce his bid for for the White House and endorse Mr Irons for governor, who will ride his success in Cedar/Cascade/ANYTHING-but-corrupt-King County right up to the governors mansion.

    Ron Sims will be unavailable for comment.

  77. 91

    Aexia spews:

    Well, we’re still waiting to hear about counties with Republican auditors that have this mythical zero error rate…

    Jefferson County ran a perfect election last November and a perfect election this primary.
    # votes===3 of voters.
    Same number of voters all 3 counts in November.

    First count
    Gregoire: 10,641
    Rossi: 7,293
    Bennett: 465

    Machine recount
    Gregoire: 10,642
    Rossi: 7,289
    Bennett: 466

    Manual recount
    Gregoire: 10,650
    Rossi: 7,295
    Bennett: 466

    Obviously, you have a different definition of “perfect” than… well, normal people.

  78. 92

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    The TOTAL number of votes counted was the same on all 3 counts.
    They did not FIND hundreds of uncounted ballots.
    The machine misread a few….or the over-/under- votes ended up by different upon manual recount.
    But the TOTAL votes were the same AND the total number of votes = total number of voters for each count and for each Precindt!
    Take a look at KingCo’s numbers dumbass–

  79. 94

    HowCanYouBePROUDtobeAnASS spews:

    GOLDSTEIN! Get your HORSESASS out of bed and release the damned cheap ASS filter!


  80. 95

    Aexia spews:

    The machine misread a few….or the over-/under- votes ended up by different upon manual recount.

    The machine “misread” a few? Excuses excuses. I think it looks like Jefferson county attempted to disenfranchise voters in the governor’s race and at a rate comparable to King County. Since it was at Gregoire’s expense, this was obviously the result of fraud on the part of the Rossi campaign, right? Someone notify Sound Politics!

    Take a look at KingCo’s numbers dumbass–

    King county has 50 times more people and 50 times more precincts.

    What about Clark county? It’s a large county with a Republican auditor that voted for Rossi. I’m sure they’re the sterling shining comparable example you’re looking for, right?

  81. 97

    Josef spews:

    #1. Every vote had a voter in Thurston & Skagit counties.

    #2. Unlike in King, they made every attempt to count legal and only legal votes.

    #3. In Skagit, “finding” ballots didn’t become a pattern.

  82. 99

    Josef spews:

    Here’s what I mean by following the law: Making sure that ballots are not found in the first place, ensuring 100% accountability for ballots, etc.

    It’s one thing for an optical machine to foul-up, it’s another for ballots to magically appear.

  83. 100

    Aexia spews:

    Dunno much about Clark.

    I bring up Clark because it’s a large Rossi voting county with a Republican auditor that gave up reconciling the 300+ difference between the votes and crediting.

    In Skagit, “finding” ballots didn’t become a pattern.

    Their voting machines have a built-in error rate! You can’t have more of a pattern than that!

    And not counting entire precincts is a pretty big error.

    Be a man and admit you were absolutely wrong about Skagit and Thurston being “error-free”.

  84. 101

    Aexia spews:

    So it’s one thing for a Republican leaning county to foul up but another for a Democratic one?

    Skagit and Thurston weren’t error-free, no matter how hard you try to spin it.

    Also, check up on Clark county from last year.

  85. 102

    Josef spews:

    Comment by Aexia — 10/6/05 @ 1:37 pm

    #1. They were not error free.

    #2. I think I was wrong on the partisan tack. You just proved it.

    That said, what has happened in Clark & King Counties is inexcusable.

  86. 103

    Josef spews:

    Furthermore, the Clark County Auditor should be fired by the voters… and the Republican Party too.