Mark Griswold may be an asshole, but more significantly, he’s a really crappy muckraker. I’d throw in a link, but honestly, he doesn’t even deserve that much respect.
What a maroon.
UPDATE:
In case you don’t know what I’m talking about, Publicola explains.
speaking as someone who plays for the other team: mark griswold is not a maroon, he’s a moron.
Wow what will be the fifth part? I can hardly wait.
In case you didn’t know, “maroon” has been adopted by liberals as a mocking label for exceptionally idiotic rightwing morons. Its genesis probably was this now-iconic photo:
http://cdn-www.cracked.com/art...../moran.jpg
It also can be interpreted as a double entendre, referring to a person who is intellectually, culturally, and/or socially marooned, as in stranded on a desert island.
The gist of the information unearthed by SP’s amateur muckraker is that Constantine took a female staffer out for drinks after work and told her a couple times that he thought she was attractive. That’s all.
Of course, as a married man, he had no business doing that, and it’s kind of sleazy. Maybe that makes me kinda old-fashioned, and maybe mores have changed, but that’s how I regard it anyway.
There’s no legal case against the county or Dow there. This doesn’t even come close. But I don’t think legal liability should be the test. People should be able to go to their jobs without being hit on.
Of course, it’s not quite that simple, because some people want to be hit on, or at least are willing. And plenty of office flirtations lead to more. It’s unrealistic to think office romances can be abolished by decree, laws, or any other means. In my long government career, I witnessed many office romances; not all had happy endings, but that’s another story.
Constantine told “Jane Doe” she was attractive and this made her “uncomfortable.” I wonder if “Jane Doe” is “maggie,” who seems like the type who’d slug you if you told her she looks good in red. Now, I’m not going to insult “maggie” by asking her to show up tomorrow night in red. In fact, I don’t give a shit what she wears, or what she looks like, all I want to do is find out by what mental process she came to the conclusion that my comment about “ugly Republican women” whose men fuck goats is demeaning to “all” women because, frankly, I’m not seeing it. She claims I’m a “blockhead” and dense as “granite” but I suspect most of you don’t see it, either, which makes you just as dense as me. This is a problem, because we have too much density around here already, due to the presence of the trolls. In any case, if “maggie” is “Jane Doe” I don’t blame her for being upset about Constantine’s advances, although my advance to “Jane Doe” is don’t go to bars and get drunk in the presence of men you don’t want to date. It takes two to tango, you know, and Dow was just trying to find out if she wanted to tango, although as I said above a married man has no business doing that. In any case, I can understand “maggie” being upset with me if she’s an ugly Republican woman whose man fucks goats instead of her, which kind of makes you wonder, doesn’t it. Well, I’m gonna try real hard to not get curious about her personal life, because her personal life is none of my business, so I won’t say any more about that. But even if she’s an ugly Republican woman whose man fucks goats, and therefore has good reason to take offense at my remarks, that still doesn’t explain the illogic by which she arrived at the conclusion that my deliberate, calculated, and coldblooded insult applies to “all” women. It doesn’t. It only applies to ugly Republican women whose men fuck goats.
Oh, and let’s not forget that Mark Griswold is the asswipe who posted this unpatriotic piece of crap on Sound Politics:
Congratulations Speaker Pelosi, now let the bombs fall where they may. My prediction: terror attack on domestic soil passenger aircraft within the next six months. Casualties in the 2-300 range. And, unfortunately, maybe that’s just what we need. It’s obvious people don’t remember what happened 5 years ago. Posted by FullContactPolitics at November 8, 2006 10:52 AM
http://blog.usefulwork.com/cgi.....ry_id=7430
Why does this shmuck have any credibility with the Seattle Times at all?
So here you have a guy who went around hoping terrorists would kill a planeload of innocent Americans to make it easier for Republicans to win elections who is criticizing Dow Constantine for buying a woman a few drinks and telling her she’s pretty …
@1 Has it ever occurred to you that you’re on the wrong team? See, e.g., @5 above. The good news is it’s never too light to see the light and change jerseys. I did. I used to be a Goldwater conservative (which goes a long way to explain why I sometimes make noises like a chauvinist pig) but I reformed. Well, sort of reformed. Maybe not completely — I’m still a rapacious capitalist, among other things. Nobody’s perfect. But even a little bit of reformation is better than none, and it’s never too late. So think about it, my friend! We’re a big tent. You don’t have to be for abortion and against capitalism to be a Democrat. I’m against abortion and for capitalism and they haven’t kicked me out.
correction: Never too late (not light)
I miss Goldy’s edit function, although not very much, because it never worked very well anyway.
Rabbit @ 4:
Dow isn’t married. He lives with his girlfriend. That has been widely reported for years, but somehow I’m not surprised that you missed it. You’re turning into Seattle Jew with a spellcheck.
Um yeah, a 47 year old man plying a subordinate 20 years his junior with alcohol, dangling the prospect of an opening job position in the hopes he can get a little date rape action is not exactly king co. executive material in my book. But then, I’m sane.
This is the blue bubble of ignorance better known as
KingKlown county. So this county probably deserves the pervert Constantly Constapated Constantine.Has anyone else noticed that Goldy’s spelling has gotten atrocious ever since leaving the better part of his cerebral cortex on Frank Blethen’s lawn?
Just noticin’
Roger @3,
Actually, “what a maroon” is a Bugs Bunnyism. As a rabbit, you should know that.
Goldy,
Come on you gotta admit Red County has a great article here on the Dow and staffer issue. Since it’s important for peeps to know Susan is pro-life why not determine if Dow is pro grab and fondle or not. Here it seems the Times is NOT following up on something and you are NOT cheering the Times for their foot-dragging.
Ahhh Roger has another ylb arschloch definition!
Great job dumb bunny!
What @13 said. Classic Bugs.
Great article? He’s missing a few facts in his time line. Ervin received the document he asked for. He went back to the county to ask for the women’s name, the women called her attorney, who then requested the temporary restraining order.
All Mark Griswold did was try to hold someone in power (Dow Konstantine) accountable for his pervy actions.
What’s wrong with that?
It’s not a “smear” like you perpetuate Goldy.
Let the readers judge for themselves.
http://blog.usefulwork.com/cgi.....y_id=13494
Yes! Yes! Dow has got to be guilty of something!
Never worked well for you.
Probably had something to do with you being a democrat and expecting people to do for you.
Good luck in your fight tonight with a woman.
Wow another Dummocraptic fool@18 who equates conservatives with Hizbollah. Since it’s the libtardo progressives who believe in the scorched earth principle, you are mixed up in the head fool!
hahahahaha
OOOOhhh. mark griswold is such a hero and everybody else is a pervert, ooooooohhh.
Uhhhh…no.
(see Atwater, Lee…please don’t feel stupid, we know you can’t help yourself)
Cynical @17,
Compare Griswold’s non-story with my well-documented takedown of Doug Sutherland, and tell me who’s smearing whom?
Face it… if I were on your side, you’d be cheering me on.
If you were on his side, you be in grave danger of involuntary commitment.
In Montana he’s just fenced in with the other steers.
The moronic right wing called this flirting at a party, that was never followed up, “sex predator” behavior.
After Ted Bundy they have a lot of nerve.
Remember the most vicious sex predator of all time was a Republican.
Yeah it’s a cheap shot, but so is this Jane Doe case.
Nice try right wing!
ivan spews:
That is pretty dang funny ivan.
But if Dow “lives with his girlfriend”, do you think she is pleased with him plying other babes with booze and sweet-talkin’ ’em?? What does that say about Dow’s character???
Back in my single days, I would have said “Dow is cool”…but today as a grown-up, it seems very sick. Sweet-Talkin’ Dow is a sick man.
Kervix is a cheap shot too. But at least he’s up with the Freemen where he belongs. Betcha he was Kozinski’s lover.
24. Goldy aka SeattleJew with Spellcheck spews:
Why not interview Dow’s live-in girlfriend and find out how she feels about this?
Why not search for other women who have had similiar liquor & sweet-talk from Dow??
Why not Goldy?
I’m just askin’
Perhaps Mark Griswold and others will dig deeper into Dow’s DARKSIDE.
Mr. Cynical,
“Back in my single days, I would have said “Dow is cool”…but today as a grown-up, it seems very sick. Sweet-Talkin’ Dow is a sick man.”
YAWN!
Yes, yes…we know all about your preferences, Cynical. You much prefer men who knock women to the floor in a fit of rage over men who compliment women in a social setting.
Constitution of Montana — Article VI — THE EXECUTIVE
In Montana, there was a Lefty who ran for State Senate with a last minute campaign screaming his opponent was a member of the Militia!! And Won.
Post Election, the Montana Constitution was pulled out and everyone was shown that ALL citizens are member of the Militia.
Needless to say, the Lefty was defeated for re-election….but it was a pretty cool trick for 1 term!
Mr. Cynical @ 29
“Why not interview Dow’s live-in girlfriend and find out how she feels about this?”
She agrees that the staffer is attractive. And she now has more reds in her wardrobe.
30. Darryl spews:
I do??
Darryl’s fantasy world is pretty much 24/7 these days.
Nice try at minimizing the act of liquorin’ up and sweet-talkin’ a babe when ol’ Dow has his live-in at home waitin’ for him.
Most women would dump an asshole like Dow for such activity.
Something tells me there are more examples of this.
Too bad Keith Ervins closed his eyes again rather than be a real investigative reporter.
I guess the Times is afraid of Dow, huh?
32. Darryl spews:
Don’t you have some Kinky stuff to throw into the kettle Darryl??
Sounds like Dow’s girlfriend has zero self-esteem…although I’m certain you are jesting.
Are you saying Dow is in to 3-somes??
Mr. Cynical @ 33,
“Most women would dump an asshole like Dow for such activity.
For complimenting a woman…twice? In a year and a half???? Yo, Cynical, when did you become a frackin’ fundamentalist Calvinsist?
Something tells me there are more examples of this.”
Yes…that would be messages from the wingnut cortex, apparently the only remaining functioning part of your brain after years of heavy drinking.
Mr. Cynical @ 34,
“Are you saying Dow is in to 3-somes??”
Indeed, he is! I hear he particularly likes Rush, Triumph, the Police, Nirvana, R.E.M., the Dixie Chicks….
Are right wingers still boycotting the Dixie Chicks?
And buying freedom fries?
Mr. Cynical @ 33,
In response to my claim that “you much prefer men who knock women to the floor in a fit of rage over men who compliment women in a social setting,” you respond:
“I do?”
It would seem so:
YLB @ 37,
“Are right wingers still boycotting the Dixie Chicks?”
They’ve moved on from that.
Now they are deeply into boycotting reality.
Darryl spews:
Cool!
Strange…
The right wing boycotted them and their sales dropped.
The left wing boycotts rush/beck/faux and their profits go up.
@10 “Dow isn’t married. He lives with his girlfriend. That has been widely reported for years, but somehow I’m not surprised that you missed it. You’re turning into Seattle Jew with a spellcheck.”
No, I didn’t know that. I tried to verify his marital status before posting my comment. On his campaign website, in his personal biography, he talks about “Shirley” as if she’s his wife.
Of course, I knew it was risky to assume they’re married, and I did that with full knowledge of what I was doing, because I had to guess and figured I’d rather incorrectly assume they’re married than assume they’re not if they are.
But this isn’t a case of ASS-U-ME in any case, because in this case, it doesn’t make any difference whether they’re married. If Washington were a common law marriage state, which it isn’t, she’d be his common law wife. The fact she isn’t is immaterial, because the legal technicalities don’t matter here. What counts is he has a significant other. Therefore, he has no business going out in public and hitting on strangers. What does that do to the significant other at home? I can’t approve of this kind of behavior in humans. Rabbits are different; we’re feral animals, we’re reproductive machines programmed by nature to propagate our species, and fucking every cute female bunny in sight comes as naturally to me as breathing. Rabbits are born to fuck. We’re not supposed to adhere to a higher standard, in fact, we violate Nature’s Plan if we do! But you humans are expected to know better.
Rog–
Perhaps Shirley is a guy named Steve in drag??
Wouldn’t surprise me a bit.
You are actually criticizing Dow for plying babes with Liquor, talking a jobs and other sweet talk when he has an unmarried, significant other he’s shackin’ up with??
Sheesh, how closed minded of you.
Join the closed minded club.
Maybe Dow has an OPEN relationship?
Mr. Cynical,
You seem quite obsessed with Dow’s jones.
Be careful if you have a stop at the Minneapolis-St. Paul airport….
Oh PuddyBud @20, I’m so disappointed with you. How can you say such mean things. I am non partisan. Didn’t you see all of my campaign literature?
Any way, I have this race in the bag. Hey everyone. God told me to tell you to vote for me.
“Perhaps Shirley is a guy named Steve in drag??”
LMFAO!!! I somehow suspect that Klynical also entertains such thoughts while he’s fucking that damned goat of his.
Closeted airhead Seattle conservatives.
There really aren’t many things which are sadder.
Mr. Cynical, you rascal, you’ve finally come out!
“About a year ago, at a going away party for one of Dow’s staff, at a bar (XXXXX)was approached by Dow. DC. They sat together, He bought her drinks and they shared food.”
There is no story here about Dow. As a matter of fact, I don’t get why KC went to such extrodinary lengths with regards to this “complaint”? I mean, they must really be overstaffed if this is what they have time for over there…..
Any complaint that started out “about a year ago” would be over in ~10 seconds at my office..
Get back to work!!!
You’ve been spayed.
A good start for the girly man trying to simulate a manly man, but not good enough. Will have to keep my Suzie vote inviolate (that’s a Goldy word), particularly since I mailed it in months ago.
In fact, I wrote her in for everything except 71 and Eyman.
Griswold did what Goldstein only pretends to do. Griswold reported news. Goldstein recycles Ariana’s trash and sloppy seconds from Kos.
And isn’t it amusing that another liberated libtard gets dicked by the harassment regs that Bill Clinton re-upped before Bill Clinton got dicked for being a serial harasser and probable rapist. Only Bill and Juanita Broaddrick know for sure, and Bill lies like an ugly rug.
Of course it’s tough for a delicate little flower like Dow to negotiate the new terrain that you radical activists carved out of the social landscape — you hold the door for Jane Doe and she gets uncomfortable; you don’t hold the door for Jane Doe and she gets uncomfortable — but hey! Learn to play on the turf you’ve got, Dow, or hang up your itsy bitsy teeny weenie jock and join the lavender mafia at seminary.
Noted that KC Exec Hutchison’s opinions about abortion are irrelevant to her new job. Apparently wrong, because someone noted that she’ll be responsible for funding KC “reproductive” clinics.
So — going in with a $50+ million deficit — we’ll enjoy seeing how she swings her axe. Would be really amusing if, purely as an impossibly remote hypothetical, Mao Constantine got in and had to take the hits for making the cuts.
‘Tis truly said that Mr. Goldstein sounds like the guy in the next stall of the Minneapolis-St. Paul airport men’s room.
But God bless Goldy for knowing about Bugs Bunny’s maroons. Was afraid I’d have to instruct Roger myself, and Roger’s all wee wee’d up at the impending prospect of being beaten up by a girl. Box his ears, Maggie, and then kick his tail.
Rabbit @ 42 says:
Who says he “hit on” anybody? Who says? Who? The rightard trolls on this comment thread? On Sound Politics?
And you just repeat it? Seattle Jew with a spellcheck is just what you are. A fucking idiot. Get the fuck on out of here. You’re no better than they are.
um, hey dummy, it was
A)a supervisor-subordinate “private” party where
B)said supervisor is likely about 20+ years older than subordinate.
C) said supervisor was plying his subordinate with drinks making creepy compliments to her while
D)hinting that there may be an opening in his office
All totaled, Constapated Constantine IS a Sex predator and the employee obviously felt this was a creepy exchange with him or would have never reported it. The fact it wasn’t followed up speaks more to the lax atmosphere in the public sector vs. the private sector in terms of investigating harrassing interchanges between co-workers. This would have turned out much different at a private company where such matters could lead to legal action against the company.
Shorter @54
“Constantine is a sexual predator who virtually attacked some poor woman; and if the woman claims otherwise she’s a filthy liar!”
@ 55~ Too many big words for you to understand doggril? If Dow was a Republican, you’d be squealing your fat ass off that this was at the least sexual harrassment (at the worst predatory, creepy old boss advances), and I’d agree with you. Quit being a dumbass.