Well, you can’t get much more unsound than Republican nutcase Will Baker… which I suppose explains why (un)Sound Politics is plugging his website as part of their scholarly research into voting irregularities.
In case you forgot, Will Baker, a self-described “International Man of Diplomacy”, was the Republican candidate for State Auditor this past November. He’s also a roadside flower salesman, former exotic dancer, and devout conspiracy theorist who’s been booked into Pierce County Jail 19 times for harassing public officials. The state GOP was surprised to learn he’d only just been released from a six month jail sentence for “disturbing an official city meeting” at the time they filed him for the ballot.
“We are stuck with him,” said Republican Party Chairman Chris Vance. “It’s somewhat embarrassing. We should have been more thorough in checking him out.”
Oops.
But then, Vance is well known for his less-than-thorough vetting process. You know, like that big show he put on, demanding that canvassing boards count all those absentee and provisional ballots… that were already counted.
And here’s the funny thing. Despite the party’s well publicized attempt to “unfile” him, 841,772 loyal Republicans actually voted for this lunatic! Either Brian Sonntag has really pissed off the Republican electorate, or… well… you come to your own conclusion.
Interesting that you chose to hightlight the Will Baker aspect, whose veracity I agree may be indeed be suspect, but that you totally ignored the POINT of the piece which is that the Seattle media being missing in action TODAY in contrast to their own reporting in the past:
http://www.thetruthrocks.com/video/KING5.html
http://www.thetruthrocks.com/video/KING5_2.html
What do you mean missing — oh, please…. More wingnut propaganda. King 5 a few minutes ago quoted the no body spokesperson Rossi is still using – then camera shots of workers at King Co going over lists to reconcile data.
What – does not please you…Surprise…Blood thirsty vultures and hounds tearing at a Dem. activist carcass would not please you…….deranged nut wings….maybe Rossi will give Baker a fat state job….new talent pool for leadership
Bob, Click on the link, watch the video and then see if you still feel so mean spirited towards those of us that have seen no evidence that any of the stupid, lame, sloppy, incompetent King County voter roll problems highlighted therein have been corrected. And just where do you get off with comments like those above, anyway. Take a lude, Bob.
So Goldy–YOU are asking if a convicted felon voting is an illegal act??? DUHHHH!
Are you saying if the R’s show 129 hard examples of felons voting, dead people voting, duplicate voting, forged signatures (obviously forged that were counted), hard evidence that 1 person signed numerous ballots AND any other “wrongful acts” that you will support a revote???? WELCOME ABOARD DUDE!!! The train is leaving sometime in the next 2 weeks. I’ll save you a seat.
If you look at the Will Baker website, you will see absolutely nothing which promotes his 2004 candidacy for state auditor. There is a bunch of things from his prior election runs, but nothing from 2004. Yet his listed this website address in his voter’s pamphlet statement.
By the way, I strongly opposed Vance’s idiotic move in appointing Will Baker to the ticket. Not only was it stupid, it was illegal. RCW 29A.28.011 requires that vacancies be filled by the state central committee of a political party, and not by the party chairman acting unilaterally.
I pointed this out to Sam Reed, who should not have accepted Baker’s filing papers in the first place. The Secretary of State did nothing to correct this error, and let this travesty stand. In fact, Sam Reed’s office even advised Chris Vance on exactly what he needed to do to put Will Baker on the ballot.
I e-mailed the law to every single member of the GOP state central committee and state executive board, urging the party to sue to get Will Baker off the ballot. The most major reaction was silence, although a few members e-mailed their sympathies to me. I even got a couple of e-mails criticizing me for violating the 11th Commandment by speaking ill of a fellow Republican in pointing out Will Baker’s public history. Some even opined that Will Baker’s extensive arrest record was due to political oppression by the Tacoma-Pierce County Democrat machine.
Finally, because no one else would, I sued to get Will Baker off the ballot for being improperly appointed. Sam Reed opposed this, and presented a declaration from Chris Vance that the state party did not want the court to remove Will Baker off the ballot. Rather than troubling the state GOP with the expense of hiring their own attorneys, Sam Reed graciously arranged for the assistant AG (Jeff Even) assigned to his office (one of Gregoire’s employees, by the way), to advocate Chris Vance’s opposition to removing Will Baker as also being the official position of the Secretary of State. By the way, I lost. It is tough to beat Sam Reed, Christine Gregoire, and Chris Vance all at the same time, even if they are supporting Will Baker.
Had Will Baker been removed, some inoffensive non-entity could have been substituted in his place. As it was, I am sure that Will Baker’s presence on the ballot as the annointed GOP nominee probably caused at least several thousand people to have doubts about voting for Republicans in other races.
Hey, look I was the one who tipped off Sound Politics w/ my blog post so I take full responsibility. I’m not going to let “The Shark” take the fall for me – I’m too manly for that.
Here’s the story you all are entitled to: Yours truly was pulling for Brian Sonntag and was curious about Will Baker the nutty last-minute guy Darth Vance (this was before Ukraington) put up. So I Google’d him and found his website last July.
Fast forward to the wee hours of Monday morning when I recall something on his website about vote fraud. I call up these videos and guess what? Three videos about vote fraud – including two documenting a NINETEEN-NINTY-EIGHT problem in guess what county? KING! So I hyperlink to ’em – as well as a Seattle Weekly article earlier in the year on a different topic, same screwed up county – at http://josef-a-k.blogspot.com/2005/01/deja-vu.html . Then Sound Politics around noon today refers to them and gives me the hat-tip.
Look, I don’t doubt the veracity of the video and I did some checking. But I would assume by tomorrow KING 5 is going to step into this. If I f-ed up, then it’s my head on a platter, okay? My fault. My responsibility. My new middle name is Rather as in Rathergate, okay?
I’m going to be manly about this. I just hope you give me the benefit of the doubt.
Comment by Richard Pope— 1/4/05 @ 7:19 pm
Thanks for the post.
Comment by Bob from Boeing— 1/4/05 @ 7:01 pm: -What do you mean missing – oh, please
Let’s try to pay attention here Boeing Bobby, I really don’t think this is at all too nuanced for you:
Seattle media being missing in action TODAY in contrast to their own reporting in the past:
http://www.thetruthrocks.com/video/KING5.html
http://www.thetruthrocks.com/video/KING5_2.html
Okay, my defense of leak didn’t get posted for some reason so let me try again:
FIRST, I don’t want you blaming The Shark Blogger for this. Blame ME! I found this stuff!
That said, I was curious about Will Baker so last summer I Googled him and got his website. I remembered something about it and posted a weblink to the KING-5 videos from my blog as well as some other data on the 6+ year history of King County Elections & vote fraud. I would strongly recommend watching them.
I don’t doubt the veracity of the tapes and I would presume KING-5 is “on top of it” (as goes their trademark phrase).
Again, I take full responsibility. If the tapes were doctored, them I’m Josef Rather… :-|.
This is the entry that started it all – http://josef-a-k.blogspot.com/2005/01/deja-vu.html
ZIP – you are civil, thanks.. I have been complaining about King Co for months…. many more than I have posted on this blog. The current staff is not good at their jobs and the mistakes are horroriffic.
The Gov. would have been decided in Gregoires favor on the first vote if it were not for King Co being so incompetent.
We agree, time for reform.
I do not think they are corrupt. There is no orchestrted fraud. No bribes. After all the dust has settled, and the process followed by law, Gregoire won. For me that part is final. Over. On to the legislature.
I will support and be involved in total reform in King Co – and many changes for the whole state. I WILL NOT just copy my ideas from the insulting trash posted as reform on right wing blogs. Sorry…….idiot voters is the first example. Many more, “I don’t care if granny shakes.” Memorable reform ideas.
NWCN is reporting that King County says that their final database will have a 3000 vote discrepancy – is there anything to that?
Comment by Greg— 1/4/05 @ 7:49 pm
Sounds about right. And Gregovych is being rather arrogant about it. Let’s also remember the history of King County Elections, eh?
ZIP – the person I was pushing back to is the one who uses a parody of horseass in the handle. Never encountered anyone so off the wall, wildly deranged and mean. This person hands it out – needs to get it back.
Not you.
Comment by Bob from Boeing— 1/4/05 @ 7:52 pm
I just ignore “HowToBeAnAss” or whatnot. It’s useless to deal with such knuckleheads…
Josef–
Did you do your homework today on that public records request for your local COunty Auditor?? I’m telling you Josef, you will be intrigued, astounded and downright pissed!! You first question will obviously be WHO ask Corky Mattingly to write this “blind faith” letter of support for Dean Logan??? Berendt? Sims? Reed?? Gregoire? She does say who?? That’s important.
Then you’ll ask yourself how in the hell these other County Auditors could possibly attest to Dean Logan’s work in this election without ever actually seeing what he did. CLASSIC CIRCLE THE WAGONS!
Then you will remind yourself Josef that Dean Logan worked previously in Kitsap County for one of his cheerleaders, Karen Flynn. Of course she is going to support her former employee, right? Oh and of course she is going to support the husband of her chief election officer. Doesn’t Dean Logan’s wife work for the Kitsap Co Auditor???
The State Election Officials appear to be a small, tightknit group Josef. Unfortunately, the gene pool is polluted. As a result, we now have institutionalized incompetence, don’t we? Sad.
Get the documents Josef. Your Skagit County Auditor was admirable for questioning this “blind faith” support letter.
Comment by Mr. Cynical— 1/4/05 @ 7:53 pm
I will get a little more to your liking in the way of aggressive by week’s end. I just want to give them another day to return my e-mail. Please be patient.
Josef out.
Why would Dan Evans weigh in on this election the way he did unless he has seen ironclad proof of all the various reasons he cites for a re-vote??
If the R’s submit the airtight, irrefutable proof it takes for the Court to set this aside and the Legislature logically orders a new election, how do you think Gregoire will do?
The Dems will be blasted as cheaters, liars, resort to anything, pathetic dinks! And Gregoire’s own words commending this BS election will be her ultimate downfall in the revote. Write it down.
Well, I gotta tell you Gregovych should tread carefully – as in don’t extend that argument too far or it’ll come back at you like a Mak Attack. If she were smart – she’d have raised the issue when she was behind. But of course not. Gotcha!
Bob, Okay I took my lude too. Somehow after a long day reading your comment hit a nerve. Sorry. Lets hope that however this works out we’re not arguning about the same minutae in 2006, (and 2012, and…)
So, been doing a little real life- checked on the other place in the Matrices to get up to date on the latest conspiracy and- lo and behold, hallelujah, there is a God- after a couple of hours of the folks just lapping up the latest John Fund fiction, something about handwriting analysis, the comments went silent. Think it had something to do with the following:
“Timothy Harris, General Counsel for the home-building industry association (BIAW) called me to deny the above report. Harris says that his organization is investigating a number of irregularities and confirms that they have hired a handwriting expert to review certain documents, but that the handwriting expert has not reported any findings yet, and certainly not the findings reported above.”
Translation from courteous language to plain English- “John Fund is lying to ya’ll”
Comment by Jim King— 1/4/05 @ 8:53 pm
Well, a friend of mine at a local non-profit think tank referred me to a website that watchdogs the media and also did a post about an earlier column of his at http://mediamatters.org/items/200411300006 . I hyperlinked to both the Fund column and this website in the names of fair play and searching for the truth.
On my blog at http://josef-a-k.blogspot.com/.....sorry.html , you all… WOOPS!
John Fund is lying
Oh, I wouldn’t go that far. Let’s just say Fund is an incompetent journalist.
LOL! Fund wrote a book on vote fraud! What a hoot!
John, Read the book. And watch the videos linked above. Then tell us exactly what steps AG Gregoire, Exec Sims, and Mr. Logan took to ensure that no fraud or incompetence was allowed to influence the outcome of this election. If he botched up this handwriting expert report it does not chnage the fact that they did NOTHING. And are now buying time with this delay releasing the final voter rolls.
Jim… thanks for keeping me from embarassing myself. My response to the John Fund report was simply to be that I wouldn’t believe anything coming from the BIAW. And now, I have to use the BIAW to tear down the piece.
It did seem awfully quiet there, didn’t it?
Now after most of the conspiracy theories have faded away, here’s what’s left of the dilapidated (un)Sound Politics/Vance challenge to the Gregoire election for governor:
1) The investigative reporting of GOP former candidate Will Baker (whether it was while he was in or out of prison at the time is unknown)
2) The discrepency ballots due to military voters, moved voters and other reasons which occur every election and predominate in pro-Rossi counties.
There is still no basis in state statutory (RCW), common law (court decisons), or the Washington Adminstrative Code that even suggests that the voter discrepencies are a basis of fraud, “ballot stuffing” or any recognized basis to overturn the election.
Vance and his 10+ person army of bloggers notwithstanding, the inaguration is almost here.
(sheild eyes here)
“On Sunday, my youngest daughter bought her dress for the (inaugural) ball. She’s ready. I’m ready to be sworn in at noon. I’m working on the address. I’m working on the agenda. I’m totally dedicated to serving the citizens of the state of Washington, to moving forward.”
This must be as painful to the Orange bloggers as seeing Bush be inagurated by Michael Moore. However, it is the reality.
Zip – I saw the videos. Something was being done about it – at the King County Council level. Remember Kent Pullen – God bless his eccentric heart – was on the case.
And I’m sure if Kent passed on in the midst of setting things right then for sure Rob McKenna took up the banner – oh I’m just so sure of it.
If R’s really cared back in 1998, I’m sure we wouldn’t have a problem by now, would we?
Oh, here’s more on John “Fraud” Fund.
Comment by Jim King— 1/4/05 @ 8:53 pm
Funny that you copied the entire update from the other site except for the last line:
“Harris did mention, however, that their investigation has revealed a substantial number of illegal votes cast by felons!”
So, not a lot of voter fraud going on, just a little bit of illegal voting, but that’s ok, as long as it helps the kleptocrats win.
Comment by Erik— 1/4/05 @ 9:26 pm
You make it sound more like a coronation, oh so anxiously awaited. As if it will make all these petty little wingnuts who disbelieve the result go away.
Try this for the “recognized basis to overturn the election”: the public does not believe the result. If Gregoire and you partisans could stop gloating you’d admit that the election has been so screwed up that the results will be considered unbelievable by the public. Coronating her won’t change that. That’s real good for the state. See my earlier comments about the momentum build this will return to Eyman or maybe even Eyman’s spawn. Are you wiling to put up with the return of Eyman to avoid a re-vote? Well it’s what this screwed up election threatens us with after the coronation. So you “anybody but Rossi” partisans probably shouldn’t gloat quite so much.
Comment by John— 1/4/05 @ 9:34 pm
Give me a break, the demos have run everything in this state since 1998! And despite John Fund’s botched attempts at journalism, there are problems with the way things are ru in elections in King County. Which the democratic “big 3” allowed to remian unfixed.
Ranger- as a Rossi partisan, I am embarrassed by the embrace of John Fund by the GOP- he is absolutely unreliable. What I quoted had to do with John Fund, not the BIAW investigation. John Fund was commenting on the BIAW handwriting expert, and completely fabricating out of thin air what he was reporting, as the BIAW’s Harris said. The BIAW’s Harris, NOT John Fund, commented on finding felons.
Nothing about John Fund is funny- anyone looking for fraud need look no further than John Fund, and that undercuts my candidate’s position.
You guys just don’t get it.
The point is NOT Will Baker. It is KING 5 found in 1998 there was problems with King County Elections and who was King County Executive then? Ron Sims. If I had the patience, I’d find a lot more links…
The point is also not John Fund – I could care less. The point is, very respectfully, my work I am trying to defend.
The point is the history and ease of vote fraud and the admission being blared on NWCN that King County will almost certainly be unable to reconcile all of the ballots WHILE Marummy is jumping all over them like the hottie wartime leader she is WHILE SecState Reed says this is grounds for a new election WHILE Gregovych whines that we Rossifarians and not her raised the issue when we were behind (I am obviously paraphrasing but you get the drift).
I also have it on good authority my work will be used by the Rossi campaign. I also might get a promotion out of this… provided I can fight on through the night to defend my work.
Comment by Jim King— 1/4/05 @ 9:58 pm
Hmmm… thanks for clearing that up, wingmate.
Josef – What we get is that the Rossi supporters are so desperate that they will turn to anyone – no matter how disreputable – if it provides even the hint of support for their theories.
Inauguration day’s coming up fast – I expect the Republicans to grow increasingly desperate and shrill in the next couple of days as they reach deeper into their bag of “magic tricks” to conjure up some evidence that will pull this rabbit out of the hat for them.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the unSounders started comparing Gregoire to Osama next, or claiming that you’re either for the revote or you’re for terrorism. We’re only about one step above that level now.
Who thinks Ms. Gregoire deserves a surprise gift for her “coronation”?
Goldy–When you’re sitting around a poker table and don’t see a pigeon, that means it’s YOU! I appreciate how careful you have been lately Goldy. Like I said, I will save room for you on the Rossi “love train”. It’s scheduled to leave soon.
You may have to sit in the back or in the cattle car…but there is room for ya Goldy.
I think you’ll find hundreds of felons were allowed to vote. The problem with some of these County’s (not all) is they failed to maintain there voter registration database. Election officials have access to information about felons, deaths etc. If they fail to act on that available information and send ballots to convicted felons…that is neglect. If the convicted felon votes, that is a wrongful act. Same with dead folks, forgeries that aren’t caught (including groups of ballots with common signatures–remember LBJ) and ballot-stuffing or ballot-unstuffing is also a real possibility. This is which the reconciliations are so, so important. The fact County Auditors continue to minimize the reconciliation process is disturbing for all but the partisan Dems.
If a compelling case is not put forth by Rossi from many different angles, I will be very surprised and the first person to congratulation Ms. Gregoire. Can she still have her inauguration ball if the Court stops her from taking office next week?
Cynical has discovered the latest conspiracy – that people who work together and are proud of the work they do support each other. Former colleagues get angry that Vance and his wing-nuts are allowed to spew their venom without contradiction. My god, people coming to the defense of their colleagues. What will happen next in this world?
Developing… Cynical will now start claiming that the Supremes unanimous rulings were clear signs of cronyism and Democratic mind control of the courts.
I guess in Cynical’s world it’s only ok if everyone disagrees with you and you stand alone. That’s the only way to prove that you’re right.
Comment by jcricket— 1/4/05 @ 10:18 pm
KING-5 being disreputable???
Comment by jcricket— 1/4/05 @ 10:19 pm
Even I will NOT go there… but I may come close. Right now Gregovych is an enemy of America for not doing her bit for the troops. I read on The Olympian today in one of their updates that, “The military votes, rejected after postal delays kept them from arriving before deadline, are estimated by the group [Operation Let Freedom Ring] at more than 1,000. If counted, they could swing the Governor’s race back to Republican Dino Rossi, who lost the final recount to Democrat Christine Gregoire.”
I put in brackets the group’s name.
As SecDef Marummy zeroes in on Gregovych, the world turns… and I cheer.
My point? “Count every vote” SHOULD have included those votes, too.
Let me be clear that unlike the opposing blog to this one: My blog and Horsesass.org are supporting T-word relief efforts. My post is at http://josef-a-k.blogspot.com/.....ttack.html . Where SoundPolitics refers to my blog, I refer to that post. Of course, Goldy figured how to many times over one-up that.
jcricket–once again rubbing your legs together too fast for too long has caused you blindness.
jcricket–never brings any information to the table. Just attacks, minimizes and reads the Dem Party line.
jcricket–you are a proven liar!!!!!!! You lied on this blog when you said that the e-mails sent by County Auditors to other County Auditors AT THERE GOVERNMENT E-MAIL ADDRESSES is “personal”. ABSOLUTELY FALSE AND YOU KNEW IT WHEN YOU SAID IT. THAT MAKES YOU A PROVEN LIAR JCRICKET. Perhaps you are really Ms. Gregoire. Pretending the Public Documents are not Public Documents is something she has done. You are a liar and totally discredited.
Goldy,
This is too funny. You are going to have to post faster if you are going to knock out the ongoing and rotating conspiracy theories before they implode:
Unsound:
A handwriting analyst hired by the state’s home-building industry believes there is strong evidence that one person may have signed over 300 provisional ballots…
Then, hours later before you could deflate it:
Harris says that his organization is investigating a number of irregularities and confirms that they have hired a handwriting expert to review certain documents, but that the handwriting expert has not reported any findings yet, and certainly not the findings reported aboveappened to the 300 ballots. Oh well)
This theory rose and fell while everyone was still commenting on the post exposing the lengthy Baker criminal record which unsound relied upon.
Maybe HorseA needs to distribute information via instant messenger instead to keep up with the republican’s desperate shifting legal theories for overturning the election.
Goldy, please consider installing a Macro on your keyboard so you have a one click method to destroy the next round of conspiracy theories as they are coming faster and getting wackier by the moment.
The election has been over a month now and this is the best they have to submit to the Supreme Court.
Comment by Erik— 1/4/05 @ 11:03 pm
FYI: I don’t buy too much into the signature theory, anyway. I want more evidence before I bite.
Comment by Mr. Cynical— 1/4/05 @ 10:40 pm
Either apologize to jcricket or I refuse to pursue your request to me any further. Jcricket may be (and is at times) irritating, but you take it too far.
Re: Comment by Mr. Cynical— 1/4/05 @ 10:40 pm
The general ethics standard is that any use of a state resource other than for official state business purposes needs to be brief in duration and frequency to ensure there is little or no cost to the state and the use does not interfere with the performance of official duties. Extensive personal use of state provided e-mail is not permitted. (See WAC 292-110-010(4))
Maybe HorseA needs to distribute information via instant messenger instead to keep up with the republican’s desperate shifting legal theories for overturning the election. -Comment by Erik— 1/4/05 @ 11:03 pm
Whoa eric – get a grip. The only information I distributed in this post are the links of KING5 exposing massive “irregularities” in King County. Sorry if the info upsets your little world, but don’t shoot the messenger.
ps – The election was 2+ months ago. You need to flip the page on the centerfold calendar kiddo.
HowCanYouBeProudtobeAnASS
I had them on the blog link I advertised and so did Sound Politics from the site Goldy referred to. You really didn’t need to do that.
That said, I think certain, nameless people need to look at the videos themselves rather than the loon who’s the host. Also, as I posted earlier – I was pulling for Brian Sonntag.
Anyone see Gregoire on King 5 TV tonight pleading for republicans to concede and support the hand recount?
Vance and company must be close to building a strong case to contest the election. Why else would she feel the need to plead her case for being the next governor elect? It’s not like those who still object to the mishandling of the election in King County are all of a sudden going do an about face because CG feels it’s the right thing to do. She would be better to served to keep her mouth shut until she’s sworn in.
Now is not the time to panic CG. Stop looking over your shoulder unless of course you have something to hide?
By my estimations, in addition to the state’s cost to conduct a revote, I figure it would cost the public a least $50 million in lost time and productivity. If people think our election process is so screwed up, why didn’t they endeavor to get involved in the process. Now, after the fact, some would have us change the rules. The result has not been perfect and maybe now we ALL can get more involved and improve the next election. In the mean time, as the Republicans used to tell the counter-culture, “Don’t buck the system, get involved and change it from the inside. Better luck next time Rossicrats.
The only information I distributed in this post are the links of KING5 exposing massive “irregularities” in King County.
Thanks. However, I wasn’t meaning to refer to your post but only the last 2 latest and greatest Unsound posts which are the current top working theories to overturn the election.
(well ok. Now they have the Vance election issues up and the reasons he should be re-elected based on his being able to stay above the fray in this election cycle. However, this does not count as a conspiracy theory.)
Josef – We get it. You have a blog. You’re desperate for people to come visit. You know how to user an anchor tag. So enough with the self promotion already. People will find their way to the information from the links that are well known to exist, here (from your umpteen reminders) at SP from Stefan’s posting, or from any number of simple Google searches.
Josef – Ok, we get it. You have a blog. You’re desperate for people to come visit it. You know how to use an anchor tag. Get over yourself man. People will find their way there, or to the info you’ve posted about easy enough. No need to turn each posting here into a veiled blog plug.
Mr. Cynical
Sorry about my earlier post re: personal e-mails; they are legal but you are right that they are public records. If you use state equipment do not expect a right to privacy for any of your e-mail or voicemail communications. E-mail and voicemail communications may be considered public records and could be subject to disclosure. Aside from disclosure, employees should consider that e-mail communications are subject to alteration and may be forwarded to unintended recipients. Avoid these potential problems by treating e-mail communications as another form of business correspondence. (See WAC 292-110-010(5))
Thanks. However, I wasn’t meaning to refer to your post but only the last 2 latest and greatest Unsound posts which are the current top working theories to overturn the election. -Comment by Erik— 1/5/05 @ 12:05 am
Eric. I am not SoundPolitics.
Eric. I don’t believe I’ve referenced them either.
Comment by Daniel K— 1/5/05 @ 12:07 am
I’m just trying to bring information to people. I also hyperlink to other websites, you know?
Republicans have the will and power to stop Gregoire and hobble democracy in Washington:
(having failed to show any fraud, a new plot is proposed)
Her (Gregoire) fellow coup-plotters in the Democrat-controlled legislature are following her in this mockery of democracy — (Demockeracy!). We must do what we can to pressure the legislature to halt this farce.
Believe it or not, the Republicans appear have a fair chance to do this. According to the Secretary of State, Republicans control 25 of the 49 State Senate seats. If the prior State Senate is the one to vote on the certification, it appears that the Republicans certainly have it within their power to stop Gregoire from being certified. Whether the State Supreme Court will step in at this point is an interesting one as there may be a separation of power question.
Of course, the new legislature comprised of democrats can certainly certify the election. The timing of new legislators and senators compared to the governor is an interesting and critical one.
Great. If they are successful, the Republicans could pull this off at least for awhile and stop an elected and certified candidate from taking office without making any showing of fraud in a court room.
How should the democrats respond? They could refuse to certify McKenna and bar him from taking office. Sounds like there is risk of basic democracy breaking down if the Republicans are at all successful in bypassing the courts. It could set a precedent of making it very difficult for minority parties to take office when a majority are in the legislature.
Erik;
I doubt very seriously the Democratic legislature will be as callous and stupid as to retaliate for stopping Gregovych by stopping the more popular McKenna. That would, God forbid, end Democratic gains in this state in a matter of minutes. That said, I like your post.
What is needed here is for state legislative bosses to come to an honorable agreement to deal w/ the situation. Keep Gregovych out of the loop – because some kind of new election will be the only option. Or at the very least a week-long delay in certification so the Rossifarians can have a week to pull a court contest and accept the result from the State Supremes if need be. Either way works for me – I have faith in my superiors, my fellow troops and my highly-skilled place-kickers (a.k.a. lawyers).
Again, they retaliate like children and slam McKenna – that’s the end of the State Democratic Party. We do NOT want that to happen!!! Too many Democrats voted for RMK!!!
Cynical – If you obtained the emails legally (e.g. through public disclosure requests), then you’re allowed to have them (based on what other people have shown here). See, I can admit it when I made a simple mistake. I didn’t know for a fact those emails were sent through Government email accounts – since you’re the only source of information, I don’t put my faith in its veracity. Given your track record, I have doubts whether you even have the emails, whether you obtained them legally or whether they say what you claim.
You, however, went on and on for weeks claiming to have seen something you either didn’t see, or obtained illegally. So we’re nothing close to equal. You continued to attempt to defend what you knew was either a lie or a crime. So are you a liar or a criminal? Or are you now going to claim it was a “mistake” that you “saw Larry Phillip’s two signatures – the L’s are totally different”.
Lack of training, that’s the whole problem when it comes to our election process, from the top to the bottom and from the bottom to the top. People working the polls are poorly trained, or not trained at all. The people employed in the auditors office are lacking in knowledge when it comes to the maintenance of the voter rolls. The auditors have no knowledge of basic bookkeeping procedures. But, the whole populace of Washington state have segments that don’t know what they’re doing. At the county convention this past fall, another first timer and I started to question the way the election of our legislative district’s delegates was being handled, and found that the vote had been conducted in an illegal manner. Instead of going through another time consuming vote, we compromised by getting a concession that satisfied us. So you see, people muddling through without proper training are EVERYWHERE! I’d say that we all need a “voting course,” before we can vote at a caucus, in a primary, or the general election. The need for training seems strange to me, because Washington state has more elections than any state I’ve ever lived in! WOW how much money does that cost? I’d think one or two a year would be sufficient.
BTW, where IS Motorhome?
Motomoooo is the alter ego of a cranky fellow, also shrill, who is said to be cynical. Not missed be me.
DCF – I think 90 per cent of King Co. problems are training and supervision -I have been to fast food places with that atmosphere.
It’s interestingly quiet over here? The BIAW has just announced that 52 felons voted in Pierce county in this past election. They researched this pretty carefully by cross referencing court records with the Felon’s address with the Pierce County voter list. They excluded any questionable records, and they checked to make sure that indeed, the felons in question had not had their right to vote restored.
Now this is just Pierce County, and just Felons. They also found dead people who voted.
Folks, please be honest with yourselves. Calling the BIAW liars does not constitute an argument. It’s time that you acknowledge that this election is to close to call given the errors and illegal votes.
I don’t know why you are all so upset and attacking Republicans. A ReVote is a chance to vote anew. Gregoire will be on equal footing and can distance herself from all the problems in King County. She might even win if you get out the vote.
But please stop calling this election a close win for Gregoire because as more and more comes out, it really makes you all look pretty foolish and it hurts Gregoire.
Jeff – Goldy has pointed out several times that calling the BIAW liars is probably too nice. They will glady misrepresent themselves to the public just to get a piece of their agenda passed. So no one here is going to automatically rely on them as a credible source of information. Basically, just because the BIAW says it and presents what appears to be evidence, doesn’t make it so.
It’s amazing how lots of “evidence” evaporates when it actually has to be presented in court.
will baker may be a dufus (he is), but that does not mean that KING 5 didn’t do a damnning expose on King county’s fraud