As the thousand monkeys on the right-wing blogs tirelessly type away in hope of accidentally writing Hamlet — or better yet, the final chapter of Christine Gregoire’s political career — we have been treated to snippet after snippet of half-coherent conspiracy theories regarding alleged misdeeds at King County Elections.
The 10,000 ballot underestimate during the first count, the provisional ballot affidavits, “changing the rules” to count 735 misfiled ballots, disenfranchised military voters, partisan canvassing decisions, lax security, enhanced and duplicated ballots, improper voter registrations… it is all intended to crush the integrity of the electoral system under the combined weight of the various allegations.
Now perhaps the unSound sycophants find it convincing, but as legal evidence in an election contest… it’s all load of monkey poop. Not a single one of these so-called-scandals provides legal grounds for overturning this election. And no court is going to set aside the results simply because the election was chaotic, or imperfect, or close.
But the monkeys keep on typing, and the latest “smoking turd” to roll off their Smith-Coronas is the supposedly shocking discrepancy between the number of people who voted, and the number of ballots counted in King County. County officials and the Secretary of State have all said that these returns are preliminary and unofficial. But how could King County possibly certify the results, the monkey’s angrily demand, based on unofficial returns?
Hmmm. How about RCW 29A.60.190, which is plainly titled “Certification of election results — Unofficial returns”…?
So how long do the counties have before submitting the final returns? Well, I’m not exactly sure, but according to RCW 29A.60.230 it seems a final report on absentee ballots is not due until March 31st. So personally, I’m just going to remain patient and wait for the final numbers before I start worrying about the typing monkeys.
Oh… and one other thought. It’s not at all clear to me, that even if King County fails to reconcile all the discrepancies in its returns, that this would provide grounds for an election contest either:
RCW 29A.60.130
Certificate not withheld for informality in returns.No certificate shall be withheld on account of any defect or informality in the returns of any election, if it can with reasonable certainty be ascertained from such return what office is intended, and who is entitled to such certificate, nor shall any commission be withheld by the governor on account of any defect or informality of any return made to the office of the secretary of state.
I think the key words here are “reasonable certainty”, a phrase repeated in RCW 29A.60.200. But, the usual caveat: much to my mother’s chagrin, I am not an attorney. I’m not entirely sure what to make of this statute… but hell if I’m going to trust a bunch of typing monkeys.
You’re going to lose Goldy, face up to it. If there is any significant shortage of actual voters in King County, as compared with the number of ballots counted, the election results will be thrown out. Proving a “stuffed” ballot box (to use the old-fashioned term — the process is much different nowadays) — i.e. a surplus of ballots counted over the number of actual voters — has always resulted in an election being nullified, when the “stuffing” exceeded the margin of victory.
Just about every other state in the country has strict quality controls to detect ballot “stuffing” as part of their certification process. So it doesn’t hardly happen very much anymore. For example, there have been absolutely no discrepancies reported in the recent Ohio election between the number of people voting and the number of ballots counted in any precinct.
In 1990, Ohio had a very close race for Attorney General — a margin of only 1,234 votes. Precincts in all 88 counties of Ohio were checked to compare ballots counted with actual voters. Only one of the counties had any discrepancies — 16 more ballots than voters in certain precincts, and 6 more voters than ballots in other precincts. Only 22 total discrepancies, and 10 net discrepancies in an entire state twice the population of Washington.
In Florida, back in 2000, there was a margin of only 539 votes or so in the presidential race between Bush and Gore. All of Florida’s counties were thoroughly scoured for irregularities. Neither side was able to find any discrepancy between ballots counted and actual voters anywhere.
If King County cannot make its numbers match within 129 between ballots counted and actual voters, then the election result will be nullified. So you should place your hopes on King County miraculously being able to come up with another 3,539 actual voters, and make these numbers match between precincts as well.
Your hopes that the legislature, state court system, and federal court system all will ignore an avalanche of thousands of fraudulently added ballots (assuming the discrepancy remains) that weren’t cast by actual voters are absolutely nil.
we have been treated to snippet after snippet of half-coherent conspiracy theories regarding alleged misdeeds at King County Elections.
The 10,000 ballot underestimate during the first count, the provisional ballot affidavits, “changing the rules” to count 735 misfiled ballots, disenfranchised military voters, partisan canvassing decisions, lax security, enhanced and duplicated ballots, improper voter registrations.
Goldy,
Nice start, but you are simply not giving your blogging ring wing counterparts recognition for the other conspiracy theories they have been working very hard on:
1) Democrats are corrupt
2) Sam Reed sold out or is corrupt for certifying the election.
3) The State Supreme Court is biased.
4) The county canvassing boards in all of the counties sold out and/or are corrupt for failing to hear Rossi’s pleas.
5) The Republican representative in King County sold out while votes were being counted.
6) The homeless in Seattle destroyed the election results
7) King County = Ukraine = Orange = (ok this one’s strange)
8) Precinct 3301 in King County is corrupt and stole the election
9) Maria Cantwell was not elected legitimately (No, really, they have this one too)
10) Deceased people voted in the election (presumably for Gregoire)
11) “Snohomish County Auditor thinks it’s his duty to act a petty, snot-nosed jerk.”
12) “Distributed vote fraud” (no, its not in the dictionary and is actually a new conspiracy theory)
And finally:
13) The press is biased and/or corrupt for not publishing the above laundry list of conspiracy theories.
I think you need to visit the following websites and chew on them:
#1. 60 Minutes coverage of vote fraud –
http://www.thetruthrocks.com/video/60mins.html
#2. A KING 5 report on vote fraud: http://www.thetruthrocks.com/video/KING5.html
#3. Last one: KING 5 follow-up: http://www.thetruthrocks.com/video/KING5_2.html
Okay, I admit the host of these websites is Will Baker (enuf said). But I watched all 3 videos… and I just have two words: DEJA VU?
I want to highlight in italics a part of the law that justifies Shark’s actions:
RCW 29A.60.130
Certificate not withheld for informality in returns.
No certificate shall be withheld on account of any defect or informality in the returns of any election, if it can with reasonable certainty be ascertained from such return what office is intended, and who is entitled to such certificate, nor shall any commission be withheld by the governor on account of any defect or informality of any return made to the office of the secretary of state.
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A 3K ballot gap is too much w/ a 130 votes between the 2 leading candidates…
All elections aren’t able to be accurately counted within the margin of error. The fact that the first two counts and the third count prove this.
The law should change to require runoffs if such close elections occur. Anything else puts us where we are in WA state just like where FL was in 2000. Letting the courts pick our president. Sad…
All the arguments, on both sides, aren’t designed to ferret out the truth and hone in on the actual winner (since that’s impossible). All efforts, by partisans, are desinged to have each side get their guy/gal seated in the Governor seat.
Too bad they both won’t just admit it.
All the arguments, on both sides, aren’t designed to ferret out the truth and hone in on the actual winner (since that’s impossible). All efforts, by partisans, are desinged to have each side get their guy/gal seated in the Governor seat.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Wrong Tom, the calls for a revote are calls to find a true winner and inject some sanity into this circus, as it stands right now the Roy kangaroo court system is more honest.
Monkey business, or 1000 monkeys? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Goldy, when I saw the title I assumed you were doing an expose on the King County elections dept. , I guess it was a mistitle.
Great post Goldy – the Republicans are frothing at the mouth because none of their allegations, half-truths or conspiracy theories have taken “wing” with the public. And when that happens, they always trot out the blame for the so-called liberal media. And when that fails, they start turning on their own (read today’s article in the Times about Sam Reed).
Gotta love watching the Republicans self-destruct. This is the closest they’ve come in 24 years to the Governor’s mansion and it must just be killing them to see it slip out of reach. So now they’re despararetly trying to conjure up some “evidence” that will give them some hope.
I think we should just keep repeating: Rossi lost, it’s done, get over it.
none of their allegations, half-truths or conspiracy theories have taken “wing” with the public. And when that happens, they always trot out the blame for the so-called liberal media. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.
jcricket, I think it is time you woke up and smelled the coffee, the vast majority of the population best as I can tell want a revote and is saying the election stinks. Hell even my mother and brother, two of the most democratic people I have ever known, who by the way supported Gregoir, are demanding an honest revote!
I wonder if Dean Logan is getting the proper amount of
sleep. Shark needs to study how much coffee the Election
Office used before this happened and after. Burning
midnight oil contributes to global warming don’t you know.
Comment by jcricket— 1/3/05 @ 8:10 am: I think we should just keep repeating: Rossi lost, it’s done, get over it.
“Blessed is the man, who having nothing to say, abstains from giving wordy evidence of the fact.” – George Eliot (1819-1880)
“Well-timed silence hath more eloquence than speech.” – Martin Fraquhar Tupper
Eric,
Who gives a flying crap about conspiracy theories? Make the KC numbers match, period! Nothing else really matters compared to that.Constantly belittling the conspiracy theorists and making fun of “right wingnuts” is simply a way to sooth your fears(and Goldy’s I might add) and divert attention from the real issue: “You actually have to have to have one voter for each ballot counted.” Rocket science right?
paul daniel
Chuck said “Wrong Tom, the calls for a revote are calls to find a true winner and inject some sanity into this circus, as it stands right now the Roy kangaroo court system is more honest.”
Such an argument falls flat on its face since Rossi didn’t call for a revote after the original vote was counted. And he didn’t after the frist recount. Why? Because he was ahead.
The issues about vote accuracy have been around as long as our elections. The only time it’s invoked is when one side is losing. Hence the Gregoire people claimed “not all legitimate votes were counted” and the Rossi people said “people have to have responsibility for their voting” while Rossi was ahead.
When the tables turned, the arguments turned and Rossi did everything he suggested Gregoire shouldn’t do and vice versa.
Only partisans say it’s about truth, honesy, accuracy, not changing rules, etc. And they flip-flop as often as the recount results change.
It can’t be about any of this. It’s about using the rules to get my guy/gal in the chair.
If Rossi had been ahead after the second recount, I can just imagine the arguments you would have against a revote (they would probalby mirror the R-wing arguments pre-second recount: “Rossi won the first, he won the second, he won the third. Concede Gregoire. Revote? Hah. Sore Loser”
Both are sore losers…of course, that’s the way the system is configured.
But to claim either the Rs or the Ds have the high ground here is baseless. It’s pure “get my guy/gal in” using whatever arguments, lawyers, PR, etc. I can.
jcricket,
“Watch the Republicans self destruct…” Wishful thinking huh? Rossi writes ONE letter casting doubt on the legitimacy of the election and calling for a revote. All polls show the majority of voters support this notion. Republicans then quitely(remember the bloggers are not the Republicans. They are by nature noisy.i.e. hoarsesass.com) set about to find serious, hard evidence of error ect. on which to base a court challenge. Their strategy is simple: without such hard evidence they will not make such a challenge.
Yep, that’s real self destructive stuff!
paul daniel
Really? I didn’t realize I was running for anything.
As to Rossi, he keeps trying to win this election in the court of public opinion, when an election contest has to be decided in a court of law.
Yeah, I think jcricket is living in a world of ignorance. Probably a pseudonym for Kristin Brost, who compared this election to a video game…
It’s time for a new, clean election in 90 days – long enough to clean off the voting rolls? Also, if Rossi had a backbone, he’d threaten a referendum on ANY Gregovych tax increase (so we could approve it if we were convinced, disapprove of it if it was going to be wasted).
As to Rossi, he keeps trying to win this election in the court of public opinion, when an election contest has to be decided in a court of law.
Comment by Goldy— 1/3/05 @ 9:09 am
Don’t worry, we will. Wait by your phone – we may need a better blogger…
RCW 29A.60.130 makes the point that Gregoire can’t be declared Gov.
“Reasonable minds” would not certify Gregoire a winner by 129 votes with an over 3,000 votes vs. actual voters problem in King County.
Whether the problem is incompetence or criminal the fact remains that Goldy’s call for us and Rossi to forget and walk away knowing we have an error of over twenty times the number of winning votes is so hypocritical it’s laughable. Goldy would be screaming bloody murder if the tables were turned and for the rest of you to ignore a glaring problem just because your “guy” (woops) gal won makes you no better.
“Reasonable minds” would also require and investigation from an outside agency to ferret out the problem and why this happened. To expect Sims to do anything to fix the problem is laughable. He’s through in King County and no doubt will look to Gregoire for a payback position. For now, Sims should be the first to resign. He was in charge during this mess and he should rightly accept blame for it. Maybe in hindsight rather than running around the state on King County taxpayers dime trying to be Gov. he should have been “inspecting” and managing the election department.
Dave… did I say that? I’ve repeatedly said that I prefer to remain patient until the final KC returns are in. The primary point of my post was to point out that according to statute, the “Certified results” are indeed “unofficial.”
Now we all know what’s going to happen when KC provides the final returns, and most or all of these discrepancies disappear… you and Richard and the unSounders will be screaming “cover up.” That’s what this is all about… it’s a rhetorical win-win.
“the vast majority of the population best as I can tell want a revote and is saying the election stinks.”
To Chuck: That’s your quote above. As near as I can see, the population that contains the “vast majority” of people that want a re-vote and think “the election stinks” consist of the 9 or so right-wing fanatical posters on this and the other website. None of the other of the nearly 3 million people who voted seem to care and have accepted Gregoire as the legally elected Governor.
Okay, you all: http://www.revotewa.com is where you too can ask for a revote…
I think it’s time to get on with it and get this resolved as soon as possible, the Repubs have as much right to run the legal course, as the Demos had/have. I’ll be a no-show for a re-vote.
Actually, it was very nice of “He who is rapidly becoming a legend in his own mind” to point out all the issues that needed to be addressed in King County’s preliminary data. With his help, we can be that much more certain that the final results will be solid and any election contest will fail. Given the gargantuan task of reconciling almost a million votes after three counts, our over-burdened election dept. employees can use the extra help he has provided. Ironic isn’t it?
I do so enjoy the personal attacks or assertions that I’m someone else. When you wingnuts fail to address any of my arguments, it always makes me a little more secure that I’m right. So keep foaming at the mouth and keep digging for conspiracies, maybe you’ll end up buried in your own hole some day, which is a fine reward as far as I’m concerned.
And Goldy, as far as discrepencies go, nice try :-) – I try my best not to drink the right-wing Kool-aid – but here goes the Seattle Times at http://tinyurl.com/4938p
King County Elections Director Dean Logan said it is not unusual to find a discrepancy that must be reconciled through a painstaking comparison of computer data and other records after votes are counted. He said that two recounts have meant the county could not do that work as quickly as usual.
But the discrepancy in this election appears to be larger than usual.
“I think historically the data has never been reconciled 100 percent between ballots cast and the voters given credit for voting,” Logan said. “I think 3,500 is higher than what I’m comfortable with. … I would be less concerned if we were in the range of 1,000 or 1,200.”
And he thinks the problem will be rectified.
Logan explained part of the discrepancy by saying the voter list doesn’t include two categories of voters: domestic-violence victims whose addresses are confidential and military or overseas voters who cast ballots under special rules. He estimated the number of those votes at between 100 and 200 for each category.
That leaves most of the 3,539-vote discrepancy unexplained.
Rossi said his campaign asked for the list almost a month ago and the county had plenty of time to update its records.
“You shouldn’t be able to certify an election with 3,500 mystery votes,” he said.
Okay, stew on this!
“The Republicans are frothing at the mouth because none of their allegations, half-truths or conspiracy theories have taken “wing” with the public” – jcricket
See above…
Comment by jcricket— 1/3/05 @ 10:08 am: -I do so enjoy the personal attacks or assertions that I’m someone else. When you wingnuts fail to address any of my arguments, it always makes me a little more secure that I’m right. So keep foaming at the mouth and keep digging for conspiracies, maybe you’ll end up buried in your own hole some day, which is a fine reward as far as I’m concerned.
Ah yes! Now, please, remind me… who was it that spouted off something about “pot:kettle”? OH! I do believe it was the winner of the Miss Hypocrisy Award – our little (as in small minded) cricketeer!
Oh and you all: I’m a DinoCRAT. I presume by now you know what that means…
Make sure you stop by http://tinyurl.com/3qc7y and see the long-lasting problem of vote fraud in King County!
You’re NOT a Dinocrat! You are so messed up! How many times do I and others have to remind you – you are NOT a Democrat! If you stopped living in your own fantasy world, then maybe you’d see that your comments are totally inconsistent and the only thing keeping you from being completely out of whack is your sad, blind faith in the extremist Eyman supporter Dino Rossi.
Good God. You people are grasping at straws. If Dino really thought he would win in the courts, he wouldn’t have made the silly and ridiculous plea for Chris to join him in support of a new election. Speaking of which, where was his love of a new election when he was the one who was up by a handful of votes?
As for being a DINOcrat, well, let me be the first Democrat to tell you to go ahead and join the GOP. We don’t need people in our party who would support someone who is so far from our values. If Dino were a moderate Republican, your foolishness would be understandable. But he’s an ultra-conservative idealogue. What’s next, Dems for Tim Eyman? Give us all a break and go join your Republican brethren. You’ll win more elections but lose your soul. But then you probably think that’s a fair trade.
Good God. You people are grasping at straws. If Dino really thought he would win in the courts, he wouldn’t have made the silly and ridiculous plea for Chris to join him in support of a new election. Speaking of which, where was his love of a new election when he was the one who was up by a handful of votes?
As for being a DINOcrat, well, let me be the first Democrat to tell you to go ahead and join the GOP. We don’t need people in our party who would support someone who is so far from our values. If Dino were a moderate Republican, your foolishness would be understandable. But he’s an ultra-conservative idealogue. What’s next, Dems for Tim Eyman? Give us all a break and go join your Republican brethren. You’ll win more elections but lose your soul. But then you probably think that’s a fair trade.
Comment by Cheryl— 1/3/05 @ 10:54 am
Please identity yourself as LIBERAL Cheryl you are impugning the reputations of all the Cheryls that disagree with your point of view – Thanks, Conservative Cheryl
Comment by Cheryl— 1/3/05 @ 10:54 am: -If Dino really thought he would win in the courts, he wouldn’t have made the silly and ridiculous plea for Chris to join him in support of a new election.
Your fear is showing. What you are really afraid of is that this is a masterful way to put the illegitimate Governor in a corner and then when she balks can say ‘well, I gave you a chance’ BEFORE taking her, the dems and crooked King county (I know, I know: ‘dems’ and ‘crooked King county’ is a redundancy) to court
I’m not afraid of anything. Oh, maybe what the next four years of the Shrub Dynasty will do to this country, but other than that… OK, I confess. I’m also afraid that Dino will return to his election-self and start behaving like a grown-up. Then he’ll take a strong run at Maria. But as to who our governor will be? Nope. Not the least bit afraid. Because, bottom-line, even if Dino pulled some kind of fraud (heh heh) and got himself in office, we’ve got a nice, Democratic Legislature for him to deal with. So worst case scenario, nothing happens for four years. Whatever.
Comment by Cheryl the Proud Progressive— 1/3/05 @ 11:17 am: “…Oh, maybe what the next four years of the Shrub Dynastystart behaving like a grown-up“
Leading by example?
Oh, you are so right. But what with all the name-calling here… See, I just can’t bring myself to say his name or even type it. I know it’s wrong. I pray about it daily. I go to church and look for answers. But the bottom line is that I hate “Him Who Shall Not Be Named” with an unhealthy intensity. But maybe my own childishness is one reason why I’m not running for office…
Comment by Cheryl— 1/3/05 @ 10:54 am
Dems for Tim Eyman? Oh, that’ll be the day! Not gonna happen.
Look, I wasn’t really aware of the close bond between Rossi & Eyman. Pressure is being applied on the Rossi campaign to explain… (you all have vivid imaginations)
Besides, why wasn’t this information leaked in let’s say aaah August. You really think the election would be close? Of course not.
Finally, it’s now a 8K discrepency…
Comment by Cheryl the Proud Progressive— 1/3/05 @ 11:17 am
Yeah, well Rossi will clean out the bureaucracy and probably be in a tight box. If not for the State Legislature serving as a check & balance – then I might say something different…
OH! I do believe it was the winner of the Miss …
Hey ASS? If you’re going to make ASSumptions, try to get them right. I’m not a miss. Just one more thing you’ve been wrong about.
Oh, sorry… the ‘Madame Hypocrisy’ Award – pull down your skirt dear – your hypocrisy is showing … again… and it’s quite unpleasant to view.
>>>>>Look, I wasn’t really aware of the close bond between Rossi & Eyman. Pressure is being applied on the Rossi campaign to explain… (you all have vivid imaginations)
Josef….you know that isn’t true. Besides, the Democrats have a great site that outlines the Rossi history of extremism: http://www.rossirecord.com. Full of good stuff.
I should add that Permanent Defense has gone to great lengths to show the connection between Rossi and Eyman:
http://www.permanentdefense.or.....Rossi.html
Rossi is no moderate.
And PermanentDefense is no unbiased source. Nice try.
Jenny, being anal, has decided not to wait until the revote to leak her fat mouth.
Permanent Defense is biased towards whacking Tim LIE-man. In fact, I’ve even written letters to the editor whacking LIE-man AFTER I joined the Rossifarians. So lay off of them – Comrade Jenny doesn’t want to recongize that I voted for the Dem Lands Commish candidate, Laura Ruderman, Brad Owen, 2 of the 3 state legislative delegation as Dems, Kerry-Edwards and NO on 892, NO on the charter referendum, NO on 872 and that was the 2 Nov. election…
Oh and rossirecord.com – a pile of bull. Can’t tell the difference between initiative AND referendum.
Also, I posted on the official Kerry-Edwards blog in support of Kerry-Edwards and even helped them when I could…
Zzt, wrong answer again.
Oh, sorry… the ‘Madame Hypocrisy’ Award – pull down your skirt dear
I’ll give you one more chance before I’ll assume you’re so naive that you don’t understand your own mistake. Also, I appreciate your attempt at sexual harrassment humor – oh so funny.
You’re assumptions should how much you can be trusted.
FLASH – note new GIANTER conspiracy. Ballot count problems at this stage of reporting – god knows what stats…. include more counties,Piece, King Snohomish and Clark — all have mysterious non reconciled totals.
Mystery or just not finshed data ….. These people, R’s, are nuts. The trend they see is acually that the problems the bigger counties are all having is standard – with all the work of the three phase election, and getting all the data updated.
Rather – that confirms proable non problems in King- it seems to say standard practices in all these counies is underway and taking some extra time.
Of course, all very suspicious to the parinoid – and when it all gets reconciled by standard voting processing, they will still be parinoid. Mental delusions.
To the SomethingStuck DeepInYour ASSPerson – go to the emergency room – you are sounding so silly and stupid. Please don’t tell me you live in my old Bellevue neighborhood.
Hey there….Proud to be an Ass…when did we ever claim we were unbiased? Nobody is unbiased. No news source is without some form of bias. What a stupid observation you’ve just made.
You’re not a Democrat. I’ve had enough of this B.S. You wouldn’t support Gregoire, Senn, or Murray! Those were the top three statewide races this year, and you backed a Republican or Libertarian for all three of them! Plus, you opposed education funding – I-884.
Being a Democrat means more than supporting a Democratic candidate. You have slammed on the Democratic Party. You have insulted our state chair and you called our spokesperson a “bitch”! It was on your blog! And you call yourself a Democrat? Well, you’re not one, Josef, just like Zell Miller and Tim Sheldon are NOT Democrats. They use the name, but that’s not who they are. You can use the label, but you’re just lying about who you really are.
If you’re really a Democrat, then stop supporting one of Tim Eyman’s best friends!
As for the difference between initiative and referendum, the difference is a mere technicality. They’re both forms of direct democracy. Both require the collection of signatures to earn a spot on the ballot. Referenda are generally grouped together with initiatives and are often referred to as “initiatives” by the news media. That’s a lousy defense.
And that’s your only critique of the site?
Well, Josef, I hardly know what to tell you. Maybe you should shut your fat mouth and stop blabbering about your admiration for Mary Lane! Nobody cares about your stupid nicknames for people – and you certainly don’t earn any points by insulting people!
Let me know when you get in touch with reality.
I’ll give you one more chance before I’ll assume you’re so naive that you don’t understand your own mistake. Also, I appreciate your attempt at sexual harrassment humor – oh so funny.
You’re assumptions should how much you can be trusted.
Comment by jcricket— 1/3/05 @ 1:42 pm
Actually, I believe that I’m just in denial (I know, I know a lib disease) that a supposedly grown MAN would name himself after a fictional cartoon bug! How very… cute.
And Jenny, when you stop frothing, please acknowledge that I have never, EVER, once claimed to be a Democrat, much less a (shudder) liberal.
Boy, the anger of you so-called (Gregoire) “winners”!
Well, Josef, I hardly know what to tell you. Maybe you should shut your fat mouth and stop blabbering about your admiration for Mary Lane! Nobody cares about your stupid nicknames for people – and you certainly don’t earn any points by insulting people!
Let me know when you get in touch with reality. -Comment by Jenny— 1/3/05 @ 3:26 pm
Do you HONESTLY not see the hypocrisy?
Do you HONESTLY not see the hypocrisy?
Good point. But then again, Rossi is so far to the right, Marummy’s aides are scrambling to soothe my angst. My God, I didn’t know he was THAT much of a whack. But then again, he is Lady Liberty’s last hope… Gregovych will strip away your civil liberties!
“Plus, you opposed education funding – I-884.”
Yes, I opposed 884 BUT not all education funding. Big difference. Learn to think critically…
“You have insulted our state chair and you called our spokesperson a “bitch”! It was on your blog!”
Where is the b-word now? Or where was it when you wrote that – I pulled it when I realized how beyond the pale I went, obviously and I sincerely apologize. And hey, I call your yahoo Baghdad Bob Berendt just like I think Chris Vance is the Vaninator – go here for why the latter’s the case – http://tinyurl.com/3u8ua .
Then there’s the so-called “technicality” between initiatives and referendums. There’s a genuine difference, you know it and I know it.
And yes, the Rossi campaign WILL respond to the website. In part because, obviously, I am breathing down their necks like my dog Aussie to make that so. That response will decide just how far I go for the Dinosaur of state politics…
Oh and here’s the revote.com address: http://www.revotewa.com
There’s also a phone # to call for a revote: 1.800.562.6000
Please don’t be partisan. Just do it and get your bleep a mandate or get Rossi a new election and no matter what – Goldy more politics to draw up his traffic!
The Republicans not respecting the court (if they disdagree with the result) is not isolated to WA. In a disputed election in MT the Supreme COurt voted (with one dissenting vote) on an election dispute which gave Demo’s control of the House. The MT supreme Court is elected with some very conservative members. Even they voted agst the GOP position, but the Republican’s are after them. Today the MT House opened and the GOP members are boycotting the opening. I could not cut and paste into this link but you can read the story in the Great Falls Tribune website. While there are differences between the two states the Demo position in both was to follow the law. Danny
Thanks Danny – my close friend Mike is from Montana. He has been happy camper becuse of the Dem. Gov. just elected.
Montana went real right for a while. His dad is old time Dem. railroad worker. Dad just fumes about the R’s in Montana politics. Small state- they know every hamlet and lay of the land, etc.
King County has done an ABYSMAL job on this election. I don’t believe that it was intentional, but none-the-less, they have made, and admitted to, error after error. Why, when they were wrong so many times, should I believe that this time, finally, they are right? I think that a great many Washington citizens are concerned about the results of the election. Neither candidate can now govern with a mantle of legitimacy. A re-vote, though, could conceivably land us in an identical situation to the one we are in now. It stinks.
Whew! Well said Darrell, thank you. Somewhere else here someone – I think it was that bby guy – finally hit on the right track – all the mistakes and arrogance ON BOTH SIDES has caused massive distrust in each other, in the results and in the system that produced them. No one will be viewed as having won a legitimate office in this atmosphere. The first order of business is for one side to recognize there are folks quite happy with the results and for the other side to recognize that these mounds of questions need to be answered and that the folks asking the question deserve to have them answered without being humiliated for having asked them. Cheryl (the Conservative one!)
Cheryl – the problem is that when your questions are asked and answered, and you don’t like the answers, you scream conspiracy or cover-up. Sam Reed indicates that this is how elections function, and the errors are well within the margin expected, and you scream “elections must be perfect. Democrats are losers.” KC says the numbers are preliminary, other counties say this is the way it works and you say, “Unnaceptable. I know how to run elections better. Republicans never lie or cheat.”
Democrats are pointing out the same kind of problems (and worse, like the lack of polling stations in poor/minority counties) in Ohio. Most of the Democrats aren’t trying to overturn the election, or call the results into question, but to highlight the areas where elections need reform so we can ensure everyone is enfranchised in future elections. All the Republicans in power say “shutup, get over it, the election is over”.
So at a party level, Republicans are never interested in electoral reform, unless it enriches Diebold, or suddenly has the potential to get their guy elected after a close election.
Fundamentally, I think the Republicans in this state can’t handle taking even a little thimble-full of their own medicine being dished back to them.
I guess you missed the part about not humiliating them for asking questions eh cricket? Nice.
Ass – I didn’t miss anything. I pointed out that we weren’t the ones humiliating them for simply “asking questions”. We were pointing out that when the questions are answered reasonably, you guys don’t like the answer so you scream at us, rather than debate. You are a prime example of that.
“Maturity begins when we’re content to feel we’re right about
something, without feeling the necessity to prove someone else
is wrong.”
— Sydney J. Harris, Syndicated Columnist
Ass – Again, really impressive that you can quote famous people when you’ve run out of ways to support your own arguments.
WOW! And it only took you 2 hours eh? As an afficiando of quotes, I am singularly unimpressed. Keep trying.
Perhaps there are times that rather than responding to you, or building my quote collection, I’m actually earning a living. But you clearly wouldn’t know anything about that.
Hmm – do you earn your living sitting in the blogs? Nice work if you can get it, but somehow I also doubt it very much.
Luckily I have a spouse that provides very nicely for us tyvm, despite usury fees, aka corrupt King County and WA state taxes, and children that are grown and independant.
But you clearly wouldn’t know anything about that. -Comment by jcricket— 1/4/05 @ 2:32 pm
You’re right – because we made a conscious decision to NOT abort our children as sacrifices on the altar of “carreer” and the almighty dollar and we consciously made the decision that actually raising our own children is more beneficial to them, and society than bowing before that same altar.