I’m sure much of the discussion over Mike!™ McGavick’s surprise revelation yesterday afternoon that he had been arrested on a DUI thirteen years ago will probably focus on whether or not this was a shrewd political move. (The revelation, that is, not the DUI.)
But one thing that seems to have been glossed over in the media coverage thus far is how totally blotto Mike!™ admits to have been at the time:
He told The Associated Press that he registered 0.17 in a blood-alcohol test, well above the legal limit, after he was pulled over. He told the Seattle P-I that he wasn’t arrested and the charge never went on his driving record because it was ultimately dismissed.
“Well above the legal limit”…? Talk about an understatement. 0.17 is more than double the legal blood-alcohol limit of 0.08 percent, and more than halfway towards unconsciousness.
And what does it take to get this incredibly drunk? Well according to every blood-alcohol calculator and chart I checked online, an awful damn lot. For example, using the University of Oklahoma Police Department’s online calculator I plugged in 8 drinks over the course of an hour for a 200 pound man, and I only got up to 0.16 percent. (Perhaps it’s telling that OK’s calculator only goes up to 8 drinks an hour.)
A fluke? Check out charts and calculators here, here, here, and here. In fact, according to the Wisconsin Department of Transportation it takes over 9 drinks in an hour to hit 0.17 percent!
How drunk is this? HealthStatus.com provides the following helpful reference chart:
| BAC Level Percentage |
Effects |
| .03 to .12 | Feeling of increased confidence, sense of daring. Look flushed or red in face. Trouble with fine actions, such writing. |
| .09 to .25 | Trouble seeing or focusing, slow reactions, sleepy, stumble often or lose balance easily. |
| .18 to .30 | Confusion, dizziness, slurred speech and lack of muscle coordination. |
| Above .25 | Serious health issues, including death. |
That’s pretty damn drunk.
I’m sure many of us have reached for our car keys wondering how close we might be to the legal limit; the thought has occurred to me leaving Drinking Liberally, where I typically consume two or three beers over the course of an evening. But 8 or 9 drinks? Since college, I don’t think I’ve had that much to drink in an entire day, and if I’d downed them in a single hour, my dorm mates would have found me face down, head in a toilet. (Okay… they did.)
This was no borderline lapse of judgement. Mike!™ was drunk. And it should have been damn clear to him, his wife and his friends that he was totally unfit to drive.
And while I’m guessing from his admission that this was the only time he got caught, it’s hard to believe that this was the first or only time he ever stumbled behind the wheel of a car. In any case, it certainly wasn’t the first time McGavick got totally shit-faced, as this type of serious drinking requires some serious training.
But then, we shouldn’t expect anything less from such a serious candidate.
UPDATE:
See, this is why we do what we do. The Seattle Times follows up:
But McGavick provided few details about the arrest, prompting Internet discussions about how much he had to drink.
Turns out it was mostly beer at a series of three parties, and the Times also cites the University of Oklahoma Police Department’s online blood-alcohol level calculator.
So let’s see. If it takes 8 or 9 beers an hour (1993 DC lobbyist crowd, I’m guessing Heineken or Becks) how many beers did he have over three or four hours to maintain a 0.17, and how much drunk driving did he do between the parties to get from one to the other? That must have been some evening of binge drinking.
OH MY GOD!
What kind of beer do you drink, David, at Drinking Liberally? 6 or 7% alcohol by volume?
You mentioned that you drink as many as three beers in a single sitting. Over what course of time?
How much do you weigh?
Plug those values into one of the calulators and tell what your BAC is.
Do you drive to and from?
Holy cow! I’ve never been that drunk, and I went to WSU!
He told the Seattle P-I that he wasn’t arrested and the charge never went on his driving record because it was ultimately dismissed.
There’s a story here. Somebody pulled some strings. You don’t get pulled over, blow a .17, not get arrested on the spot, and get the charge dismissed without some serious juice behind you.
# 3
How about 13 years ago in another state. The Legal BAC level (wash) in 1994 was .12 i believe . It could have even been .15 then.
It also depends on how much food you have consumed too. What your metabolism is etc…..
‘Course, you’ve gotta know, he can drive all over inside the Highlands that drunk, no problemo!.
Maybe the cooler was a little empty and he was just runnin’ down to the corner convenience store on 145th, and the Gardai just gave him a do-over. . . . . . .
How drunk was Democrat hero “Tookie” Williams when he was giving Mrs. Carl Grossman’s rectum “9 inches” of “Tookie love”?? Question: Did Carl “get off” watching??
PRIEST: Thous hast committed. . .
JEW:Fornication. But that was in another country, and besides the wench is dead. . . .
Luigi @2,
I drink 2 or 3 Manny’s (5.5% alcohol by volume), and am usually there from around 8PM to around 11PM.
Nice try at changing the subject though.
Will this matter in the least on November 7, 2006? I got a speeding ticket I 1986 in Texas. Does it matter today? I got a parking ticket in 1998 in California. Does it matter today?
McGavick has no chance in November, for reasons I’ve already stated in a previous thread. This story will not matter after the vote count on the evening of November 7. Why waste time on this?
Goldy,
How uncivil of you to harp on an old mistake by a civil, upstanding , moral, example setting, window-fixing new Republican leader!!! Just like you did with that female-abusing, resume-inflating David Irons, Jr. (oops, didn’t mean that).
You meanie!
That kind of self-toxification is amazing. What is his status with regard to alcohol now? We already have One Dry-Drunk Too Many in Government Already.
Personally, I don’t care that much whether Mike “Bought and Paid for by Safeco” McGavick got arrested for DUI in Maryland 13 years ago. One arrest for DUI, over a decade ago, doesn’t automaticially serve as a disqualifier for public office.
I do agree that a 1.7 is pretty high.
As for the “dismissal”, the news is reporting today that it was a “deferred prosecution” thing. Stay out of trouble for a year, attend alchohol awareness classes, pay a fee, the charge gets dismissed. Apparantly this was widely available in Maryland at the time, and used by everyone with a first offense. Much like Rush Limbaugh’s prosecution-avoidance scheme, but without the pee-test.
But you have to wonder about the political strategy. I agree that it was in his best interests, politically, to come out with this before his opponants did. But ever since he made his initial pledge not to engage in political campaigning unless his opponant did, I’ve been waiting for the other shoe to drop. Was this what he was so worried about? Perhaps, but somehow I doubt it.
He’s already complained that his “opponant” has already engaged in negative attacks on him. I wonder who he is referring to – his recent argument to the FCC was that his only “opponants” so far are his Republican primary contenders. I haven’t heard Cantwell’s campaign issuing any negative ads – only the ones highlighting her protection of local interests (tankers in the Puget Sound, protection of PUD ratepayers from Enron).
But I’m expecting that McGavick already has a bunch of negative ads in the can, and he’s looking for the first excuse to spring them after the Labor Day holidays. This announcement was his way of clearing the decks before that happens, so that when anybody in MSM brings up these subjects, he can dismiss it as “old news”.
Personally, I’m more interested to see what’s in his divorce file….
Goldy @8.
David, speaking of evasion, you didn’t answer all of the questions.
What is the volume of your drinks? Imperial pints?
What is your weight?
Do you drive to and from?
DAY FOUR 8/25: WHERE’S GOLDY ???????????????????
Tim Eyman came out in opposition to the property tax that never ends. Will Goldy open up his wallet to the greed of Seattle gummint, or get on Tim’s team to oppose the largest tax hike in Seattle’s history?
Luigi, paisano! Che te dice la Patria? What’s the matter, a little too much of the grappa?
Another TJ-3 BS….
I know someone who was stopped twice in the same night, just two weeks ago. On the first stop the culprit refused a breatalizer test and had his license punched. The police drove him ~5 miles to his house. He proceeded to walk back to his car and was stopped by another officer while driving home. This time he blew a .12, more that three hours after the first stop. Again, the officer drove him home.
The jail was full that night, and you would be surprised who does not get automatically arrested when that is the case.
Maybe Mike@#%&*! couldn’t afford a taxi back in 1993. After all, it must have been hard back then trying to make do on a lobbyist’s pay. The poor bloke. I can’t really blame him for drinking. I mean, can you imagine the guilty conscience that being a Republican lobbyist would produce?
As for the “dismissal”, the news is reporting today that it was a “deferred prosecution” thing. Stay out of trouble for a year, attend alchohol awareness classes, pay a fee, the charge gets dismissed. Apparantly this was widely available in Maryland at the time, and used by everyone with a first offense.
That sounds more reasonable than the description in the P-I. But .17 is still Foster Brooks drunk. Even in ’94, even for a first offense, you would expect an arrest.
Oops, I meant ’93.
I can understand the need for a drinkypoo or two or three If you’ve spent a tough day trimming back that pesky Super-Fund. . .
But eight or nine? Man, that’s some serious conscience salving. . . .
Luigi @13,
It doesn’t matter how much I weigh, as 2 or 3 pints of Manny’s over three hours wouldn’t put anybody over the limit. But FYI, at the moment I weigh about 170.
Again, the issue is, McGavick had the equivalent of 8 or 9 drinks over the course of an hour. That is excessive by anybody’s standards.
Again, the issue is, McGavick had the equivalent of 8 or 9 drinks over the course of an hour. That is excessive by anybody’s standards.
Perhaps he only weighed 120 pounds at the time?
If you see a bus weaving down the street toward you, and being followed by a motorcade of traffic cops, that’s Mike!s campaign bus — and you should not be standing in the street or on the sidewalk, you should run sideways at least 1/4 mile, as fast as you can.
I was more disturbed about the behavior of State Supreme Court Justice Bobbe Bridge.
More disturbing than her behavior was the way Governer Locke, Attorney-General Gregoire, and columnist Jean Godden, among others, came to her defense.
Well, as Woody Woodbury used to say:Booze is the only answer!
“this type of serious drinking requires some serious training.”
Potentially a key point. A light hitter at .17 would have trouble finding his car, and would likely have displayed more visible impairment than just stretching a yellow light.
Luigi! Non te perturbe! You are simply disturbed. . .
Goldy@21.
Okay, David, you have pretty much answered all of the questions except one: Do you drive to and from Drinking Liberally?
so what you are saying is that Mike is a Kennedy Era Democrat?
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“‘Course, you’ve gotta know, he can drive all over inside the Highlands that drunk, no problemo!” Commentby Tree Frog Farmer— 8/25/06@ 10:34 am
I wonder if they put up the gates to keep those guys in, instead of to keep the rest of us out.
Of course you forgot to mention that in 1993 the legal level was .1, and the limit was changed in 1999. But who checks facts anyways…
Luigi @28,
See, this is why I generally don’t engage in my own comment threads, as your goal is to drive this off topic. Yes, I drive to Drinking Liberally. But I don’t come anywhere near legal impairment.
Now back to McGavick, and his driving while drunk.
Don’t forget to take credit for McGavick’s volunteering of this embarassing disclosure. He was thinking of you when he said “It’s obvious that campaigns these days focus on this kind of stuff. I think it was just better for me to put it out there myself.” He was afraid you might discover and disclose this fact a week or two before the election.
@31 Your citation for Maryland law in 1993?
Goldy@32.
David, do you have any comments on the the accident involving Supreme Court Justice Bobbe Bridge?
David, what about Governor Locke, Attorney-General Gregoire, and columnist Jean Godden coming to Bridge’s defense?
Citing facts with no verification is bunk. Citing Washington Law to apply to Maryland is worse than bunk. . . .
I like to phrase it “McGavick was driving drunk while working as an insurance industry lobbyist in Washington, D.C.” Just gives a fuller picture.
Luigi, baby, have you put on the White Ribbon yet?
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Redneck is Jewish?
legal impairment is only one issue. There are two standards, legal intoxification and actual impairment.
DWI is the legal impairment, driving legally intoxicated.
DUI is under the influence, which can be any BAL if you show signs of any manner of impairment.
That said, I will happily assume that Goldy is respoinsible enough to give himself proper time to absorbe his ale and not be impaired by either sense.
In my military days I have no doubt that I would have blown a .15 or higher. It doesnt take alot of effort if you drink mixed drinks.
The BAL standard is generally for every 12 oz beer, or 1 oz shot of hard liquor you ingest a .02 It then takes the avberage body 1 hour to eliminate it. But with mixed drinks, a long island iced tea, or some other blended alcohol drink would shoot you a .06 or more for each drink.
Over the course of a night it isnt that hard to build up a high level.
Regardless, it was 13years ago. Show me something recent, otherwise I give him the same presumption as anyone else: Made a mistake once.
If nothing else, I applaud him for his candor about this and his other disclosures. It is refreshing. Will it get my vote? We shall see.
BUSH – Driving drunk
ROSSI – Driving drunk
MCGAVICK – Driving drunk
If only there were a trend one could see
14 DAY TWO HUNDRED AND FOUR
When you gonna pay the $100 you owe Goldy, Welsher?
I think this imbroglio is the political equivalent of stepping back three paces and punting. . .
McGimmick is stuck at 40%. He has more than enough money for a token campaign this time. . .’taking one for the team’ if you will, and coming back at a more opportune time (hopefully).
He’s just another Republican candidate in the fine tradition of Ellen Craswell.
Come up with something better, girls, if you want to play. . . .
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Father Kennedy driving drunk and kills someone.
Son Kennedy driving impaired and hits a police barricade.
Yep, no trendthere
Gee, perhaps there is film of McGavick’s drunk-driving incident, which is being released this weekend:
http://seattletimes.nwsource.c.....est25.html
thats a weekend in the Kennedy Compound in Maryland…
Sven @ 40
McGavick’s disclosure is “refreshing”? How naive are you? The disclosure was done for one purpose only, for political advantage. I probably agree with you that a DUI of 13 years ago is not terribly relevant to a senatorial candidacy now. But, let’s not give the man credit for honesty or anything else.
Bobbe Bridge, judicial darling of the left… HIT AND RUN DRUNK DRIVING.
On February 28th, 2003, JUDGE Bobbe Bridge, consumed enough alcohol to put her blood alcohol level at .22 percent—three times above the legal limit. She then drove home. Or rather she tried to. Along the way she rammed another vehicle, but kept right on going. Further down the road some local citizens were forced to physically stop her with their own vehicle.
Bobbe Bridge says she didn’t think she was drunk.
Bobbe Bridge says she isn’t guilty of hit-and-run (even though she doesn’t deny hitting and running).
Denial for the darling Bobbe… no problem for her lefty ASSes… but how they howl when a conservative takes responsibility.
Judge Bobbe Bridge entered into a plea arrangement which requires that she undergo substance abuse counseling.
Good ol party girl, Bobbe still sits in judgement of others and still the judicial darling of the lefty hypocrites.
Oh, by the way, isn’t the darling Bobbe disgustingly wealthy as well?
Advantage? Maybe so. It was still him being upfront about the past.
Living in a world of denials and stonewalls, any openness is nice to see.
PROUDtobeINCOHERENT
PROUDtobeINCOHERENT
I know that reality and you are strangers, but doesn’t just making stuff up bother you at all? Who makes excuses for Bobbe Bridge? I think that she probably should have resigned her position following her arrest. She did not seem to take responsibility to the extent she should have. Your mind is so closed and so narrow that the light of reason could never penetrate the thick folds of nonsense that surround it.
Everyone’e human. Anyone who drinks has likely been impared to some extent and probably driven when they should not have.
People who say that have “2 to 3 beers” usually really have 4 or 5. Take a nice cask IPA at 8% and it’s probably more like 8.
Anyone who drinks and says “I have never been *that* drunk!” is probably kidding themselves.
The State used to have a free breathalyzer booth at the Summer Microbrew Festival at St. Edwards State Park. It was very interesting to see how your BAC fluctuated during the event. There are a number of factors that come in to play, and I personally don’t put too much faith in breath tests.
No, little leftistIsNoReasonToBeProud… you refuse to see the point.
All you little shit pile playing kiddies are just having a grand old time pig-piling on Mike becaue he admitted a discretion.
THE POINT little leftistIsNoReasonToBeProud is you little hypocrites don NOT hold your own comrades to the same standard of pig-piling.
That’s called HYPOCRISY… which I believe is the definitive motto of the Seattle liberal snots.
The issue, WingNuts, is one of character and manipulation. Lack of character in the DWI arrest, he was arrested. Manipulation in now attempting to gain credit for honesty from a dishonest, irresponsible, dangerous, life threatening action he made by choice. End of story.
It is just like a RightWingNut to try to twist a wrong into a right. Perhaps if Mike! had thought “Gee, I have had quite a lot to drink tonight in the course of getting my hot new girlfriend to loosen up and have sex with me, perhaps I should call a cab”. Of course this was years before the $28m bonus (campaign contribution), maybe he could not afford it?
Carl Grossman
Liberal, Democrat and devoted to staying on thread for at least part of my post. That said…..I see that John Craig Herman is at it again,he had nothing of interest to say, so he rambled about Tookie again. I think he harbors a liking for Tookie that might best be described as “schoolgirl crush”.
For years now, we have been deluged with the news that the earth’s oceans are warming as a result of atmospheric changes due to the combustion of fossil fuels.
Typical of these was a 2005 story titled “Where’s The Heat? Think Deep Blue,” from United Press International, describing a recent paper in Science by NASA climate modeler James Hansen. UPI’s “Space Daily” wrote that “Over the past ten years, the heat content of the ocean has grown dramatically.”
Hansen’s study covered more than just the ocean surface temperature, which can fluctuate considerably from year to year. Rather, by considering a much deeper layer of water (the top 2,500 feet), Hansen actually calculated the increasing amount of heat being stored. According to the UPI story, this provided “a match” with computer model projections of global warming.
The ocean is a huge tub that integrates and stores long-term climate changes. Consequently, when computer models are based on ever-increasing atmospheric concentrations of carbon dioxide, the deep oceans warm, warm, and warm. Like a big pot on a small burner, it takes time to start up, but once the process starts, nothing should be able to stop it.
That’s the conventional wisdom of our climate models, but like the conventional wisdom on so many other aspects of life, it’s not true to nature.
In the next few weeks, John Lyman of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration will publish a paper in the refereed journal Geophysical Research Letters showing that, globally, the top 2,500 feet of the ocean lost a tremendous amount of heat between 2003 and 2005 – in fact, about 20% of all the heat gained in the last half-century. [….Congratulation to President Bush for solving “global warming”!!! If Bush was the cause, then certainly he gets the credit here!!!!!!!!! hehe, JCH Democrats: dumb shit domestic parasites!]
And while I’m guessing from her admission that this was the only time Bobbe got caught, it’s hard to believe that this was the first or only time she ever stumbled behind the wheel of a car. In any case, it certainly wasn’t the first time Bobbe Bridge got totally shit-faced, as this type of serious drinking requires some serious training.
But then, we shouldn’t expect anything less from such a serious judge.
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And while I’m guessing from his admission that this was the only time he got caught, it’s hard to believe that this was the first or only time he ever stumbled behind the wheel of a car. In any case, it certainly wasn’t the first time Ted Kennedy got totally shit-faced, as this type of serious drinking requires some serious training.
But then, we shouldn’t expect anything less from such a serious senator.
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And while I’m guessing from his admission that this was the only time he got caught, it’s hard to believe that this was the first or only time he ever stumbled behind the wheel of a car. In any case, it certainly wasn’t the first time Patrick Kennedy got totally shit-faced, as this type of serious drinking requires some serious training.
But then, we shouldn’t expect anything less from such a serious congressman.
Um, and what about the cop who let him go? Did he use any of the Slade Gorton connections?
howcanyoubePROUDtobeanASSkissingRepublicanapologist:
Pull your head out of your ass. This is not tit for tat. This is a man running for the office of United States Senator. His “indiscretion” is part of who he is. If you drink, don’t drive. Simple campaign, been around since I was a kid in the ’70s.
Minimizing seems to be the Republican way. I remember what the press did to Ted Kennedy. I also remember that his constituents elected him after the tragic, completely avoidable incident. That was their decision. No amount “liberal MSM” could have influenced that. The same applies to Mike! he will face the piper, first in the primary and then in the general election. Same as Ted. No different. Both got off easily, both have to live with the consequences of their actions.
Carl Grossman
Liberal, Democrat and never been arrested for DUI, DWI or anything else.
Left foot,
You say all that likes its a bad thing.
Wake up. Politics is about image and perception, and the democrats are just as good at it.
left foot, so you would then condemn Ted Kennedy for his part in the death of a girl? Or Pat, his son for his drug addiction and DUI? Cynthia McKinney for her assault and race baiting?
Or is it only conservatives that get your scorn?
Sven @ 59:
I am not the side of this blog crying foul. I am merely pointing out that Mikey! did what he did and now, like the rest of the real world, he has to live with that. It is not a bad thing, it the correct thing.
Carl Grossman
Liberal, Democrat, Responsible Drinker
Hey Goldystein, Any comment on Teddy “Oldsmobile” Kennedy “BA” when he killed Mary Jo? How about Pat “BitchSlap The Black Female Secuity Guard at LAX Airport” Kennedy’s? Just “axing”………………………..
Carl, Does your wife still drink when “visiting” Tookie???
Sven,
Can you comprehend what you read, or do you just fake it? I categorically stated without doubt that Ted was wrong. Go back reread the post and get back to me.
Carl Grossman
Liberal, Democrat and, I think, clearly stating my position.
It is EXACTLY tit for tat…
drunk bridge bitch sits in judgement of other.
racist bitch governor rules over others
drunks kennedy HAVE the position mike wants.
Their indiscretions as well as their denials and obfuscations of their indiscretions is as much a part of who they are (HYPOCRITES) and your denial of it is as much a part of who you are (A BLIND, STUPID DUMB HYPOCRITE SHEEP) as you claim it is part of who Mike is.
“Minimizing seems to be the Republican way.”
BULLSHIT on you…. do the words “it was only sex” ring a bell?
Carl,
Fair enough.
FWIW I think patterns of behavior are more importnat then single events….
John Craig Herman,
In case you missed it earlier: Fuck you! Fuck your horse! Fuck your tiny little, mind!
Grow up! Post something intelligent when you stop smoking the Maui Wowie.
Carl Grossman
Liberal, Democrat, Profane (when appropriate)
And while I’m guessing from his admission that this was the only time he got caught, it’s hard to believe that this was the first or only time he ever stumbled behind the wheel of a car. In any case, it certainly wasn’t the first time Patrick Kennedy got totally s**t-faced, as this type of serious drinking requires some serious training.
Can anyone spot the factual inaccuracy (lie) in this statement?
He should be comforted to know that once you actually get elected to Congress, the cops will just drop you off at home after one of your drunken driving binges.
Oh wait, this guys’s a Republican?
Nevermind.
howcanyoubePROUDtobeanASSkissingRepublicanapologist:
It was only sex? Hmmmmmmmm, oh yes. Isn’t that what JCH told his wife when he got back from the San Francisco bath house?
Carl Grossman
Liberal, Democrat, Funny Guy and Bunny Hugger
Carl, so much for civility.
Your post only says they have to pay the consequences, Unless I am reading the wrong set of posts, I dont see anywhere where you catagorically said any such thing.
If you feel that way thanks for clarifying.
Sven, I was a little harsh, I apoligize. I was in JCH and ProudofmyasssoIshowittoeveryonemode. My bad.
I did reread my post and found this:
Minimizing seems to be the Republican way. I remember what the press did to Ted Kennedy. I also remember that his constituents elected him after the tragic, completely avoidable incident.
In my mind, completely avoidable, means Ted’s actions were at wrong. He was at fault. Try to remember that in the ’60s, drunk driving was pretty much a traffic ticket, the death of Mary Jo is not to me minimized by that at all. It was just the culture of the times.
Carl Grossman
Liberal, Democrat and I can admit when I am wrong.
Crap, apologize. not apoligize,
Carl Grossman
No spelling or typing contest winner today.
carl,
Thanks for the clarification. I can accept your intent there as being understandable in context of your explanation.
No worries on the harshness, I get frustrated too. So how can I judge you on that.
:)
I think this whole incident (all the revelations in his “confession,” not just the binge drinking and driving) demonstrate an appalling lack of good judgment. After all, it appears he is so used to personal attacks and negative campaigning, Mike? launched a negative, personal attack on himself. If this is his behavior as a candidate, how will he respond as a senator?
PROUDtobeINCOHERENT
You didn’t read my post, which is hardly surprising in that you would never permit an opinion contrary to yours to flicker across your atrhophied brain. If you’d read my post, you’d see that not only did I not excuse Bobbe Bridge’s actions, but said she probably should have resigned. You, nonetheless, called me a hypocrite. You, madam, are a waste of air.
How many Dems have been busted over the course of the years or just ignored? Or “received treatment” and been lauded as a hero? Kennedy(s) are perpetual drunks. It’s common knowledge and everybody laughs it off. One of them gets butsted completely tanked after crashing his car and almost hitting a police officer and is driven home and ONLY after one of the beat cops complains (and gets lambasted for it) does he come forward and “check himself in”. Of course this is celbrated as to how grown up he is, and not to Holy Shit this guy is a drunkard (multiple trips to “the clinic”) and he is representing me.
You fecking hypocrites.
If Mike! get elected, will he follow the lead of his sugar daddy Ted Stevens and vote for torture??
MLF at 72: You have a point about how drinking & driving was considered in the 60’s – at the time, it was not that big a deal. I was young when this incident occured, but I still remember the prime-time televised speech Kennedy gave in which he gave his version of the events.
At the time most of the public outcry at the time was not because he had been drinking, or because he had been drinking and driving. It was because (a) he was at a private party with single females who were not his wife, and (b) he left the scene of the accident, not a very chivalrous thing to do.
Giving the state of the road and the bridge, and the lack of breath-testing equipment available in the 1960’s, it is quite possible that if he had not left the scene, he would not have been charged with any crime other than, perhaps, “negligent driving” or “failure to use due care”. Much like VP Cheney’s recent hunting accident, where he shot a lawyer, and everybody involved swore that alchohol was not involved. Maybe this was fair, maybe it was the result of local officials looking the other way for an important politician, but that’s probably what happened.
But Kennedy’s political career was probably doomed the minute he was in a situation where (a) he couldn’t deny being at a late-night carousing party with a woman who was not his wife, and (b) in an era where most politicians tried to portray themselves as war heroes, he didn’t disply the personal courage expected of someone in public office.
So he was wrong to have drank and drive (presumably – there was no actual evidence he was impaired), he was wrong to be carousing at a party with single women who were not his wife, and he was wrong for leaving the scene of the accident and not reporting it immediately to the police. He paid for those mistakes by forefeiting a pretty good shot at the Presidency, but his local voters forgave him.
Goldy, you say 2 or 3 pints of Manny’s at 5.5% alcohol. Assuming a 16 ounce pint (the British pint is 20 ounces!), that is .88 ounces of alcohol per pint. 3 of these drinks is 2.54 ounces of alcohol. 2.54 ounces of alcohol will put a lot of people over the limit, especially at 0.08% (technically 0.08 grams of alcohol per 210 liters of breath).
I think the University of Oklahoma calculator may underestimate the alcohol level from drinking.
RHP
Right, he paid by not being president, something that would have effectively ended his political career instead of his continuing to be politically active all these years, grown in influence and become very wealthy.
Hard as I try I cannot see any loss there. His career was never doomed and he never suffered any consequence.
Heard of:
Ted the swimmer? (Endlessly)
Mike the Mover? (Every Election)
Now how about Mike the Driver!!!!
There it is fellow wingnuts, vote for the Mike :( the Driver!!
Sven @ 40
The old standard of one drink = 0.02% BAC is for the average weight man — which Goldy and McGavick probably fall reasonably in the range for.
However, the “drink” is considered to be (a) 12 ounces of 4% beer, (b) 4 ounces of 12% wine, or (c) 1.25 ounces of 80 proof (40%) whisky. All of these are right at 0.48 to 0.50 ounces of alcohol.
Goldy drinks “pints” of 5.5% beer. Assuming 16 ounce pints, that is 0.88 ounces of alcohol. So if 0.48 ounces is good for 0.02% BAC, then 0.88 ounces should be good for 0.0367% BAC. So three Manny’s would get Goldy up to 0.11% BAC, which is over the 0.08% BAC legal limit.
On a different note, I remember Gary Locke urging judges not to drink in public, and if they did, not to drink more than one drink. Locke said this shortly after Bobbe Bridge was arrested for drunk driving. Locke was giving some VERY GOOD advice — that everyone would be wise to follow, not just judges.
Just another right winger who doesn’t care how many people he endangers or hurts.
Pope at 84: Before those of us who are above “averege weight” think we have an advantage, consider this: According to at least one expert, the weight calculation only works in your favor is most of your weight is muscle, organs, and tissue. These will absorbe alchohol, thereby dissipating its effect somewhat. Fat, however, does not absorb alchohol. So if you are a 300 lbs active professional football player, you can probably get by with an extra drink that the other guy cannot. But if you are a 300 lb “couch pototo” (or “Refigerator Perry”), the extra weight doesn’t help you much. When using the “weight” variables in any of the formulas, you should use what your weight “should be”, minus any extra fat.
For the older guys among us, take your weight when you were 18 or 19, then subtract between 10 or 20 lbs for the loss in muscle mass (which you haven’t noticed because it was replaced by fat in your thorax cavity).
RHP @ 80:
Exactly right. His local voters forgave him. Now Mikey’s! potential voters can use this incident as they see fit. Personally, his drunk driving conviction has nothing to do with the fact I won’t vote for him> All it did for me was to reinforce my decision to back the Democratic nominee. And as I have stated before, it would not matter who the Republicans put up, I am voting on isues and basic ideology. If Harry Truman, the Democrat who SAVED THE WORLD, came back as a Republican, I would not vote for him.
Carl Grossman
Liberal, Democrat and Proud to be a Bunny Hugger.
Okay, 86 should read: “weight calculation only works in your favor if most of your weight is muscle, organs, and tissue”
Okay, 87 should read ISSUES. OOPS.
Carl Grossman
Liberal, Democrat and sloppy keyboardist today.
Fuck you, John Craig, Fuck you! (hehehe) Tookie is waiting for you in hell. (hehehe)
BUSH – Driving drunk
ROSSI – Driving drunk
MCGAVICK – Driving drunk
If only there were a trend one could see
Commentby Thomas Trainwinder
Bobbe Bridge -HIT AND RUN DRUNK DRIVING
OOPS!
Trend-busting is fun!
Why does Mayor Nickels need a $1.8 billion property tax increase to pay for a $500 million backlog of road and bridge repairs? Hmmmm? Where’s the other $1.3 billion going?
I think you missed the motorcycle accident that a State Supreme Justice had and failed to report – he said he didn’t know he had to.
Imagine that – A State Supreme Court Justtice not knowing the law.
If it’s going to interest on bonded debt, how about if he skip the bonds and interest, and just fix the roads and bridges one at a time, as the money comes in?
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Bridge shouldn’t be on the state supreme court. Is that your point? She doesn’t have my vote.
Bobbe Bridge is a classic case of a person holding high office because she comes from a moneyed family, not because she has superior qualifications. Elective office is a hobby for the rich. This state has hundreds, perhaps thousands, of working lawyers who are better qualified than Bridge — but they’ll never sit on the supreme court because they don’t have family wealth to pay for a statewide campaign.
Roger at 91,
Are you questining the intentiions and actions of a fellow progressive Democrat? That seems out-of-character fro you.
You have to know why he came out with this. he doesn’t want anyone looking into what a real republican does for fun.
http://www.armchairsubversive.com/
God rest Jim West
People say to me, they say “Carl”, because that is my name, “what is wrong with John Craig?”. I tell them what I know. That John Craig is the bastard child of Ann Coulter and Satan, although there is rumor of a three way with Rush Limbaugh. Asked how she got pregnant though single, Coulter responded “Let’s say I go out every night, I meet a guy and have sex with him. Good for me. I’m not married.”—Rivera Live 6/7/00 .”
Hmmmmmm…….I am not surprised that she is not married, and with a kid like John Craig, it justs get tougher and tougher.
Carl Grossman
Liberal, Democrat, and Part time funny man.
sgmmac at 92: Yea, I didn’t buy the “I didn’t know about the law” argument, either. Chambers is a former personal injury lawyer, a rather famous one in this state, and one of the first things they do is get a copy of all the accident reports.
But it is not quite as clear as it seems. No report needs to be filed if it is investigated by the police (they will file a report which serves the same purpose). No report needs to be filed if the damage is minor (in fender-benders, insurance information is exchanged and everybody goes their own way). The report doesn’t need to be filed the same day, so it’s not unusual for people to forget about it.
I think it would have been more accurate for him to say “Gee, I forgot about it”, which was probably the case.
He probably did forget, but the report had to be filed because his girlfriend was injured and required hospital care………
My fellow liberal minded Democrats:
This what we are up against:
The WISDOM” of Ann Coulter
After the September 11 attack masterminded by a terrorist hoping to spark a religious war, virtually every official and pundit knew better than to take the bait. Except for conservative commentator Ann Coulter, who wrote in a syndicated column on September 12 that in responding to terrorists “we should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity.”
The column outraged the public, but conservatives, including National Review editor Richard Lowry, ascribed Coulter’s column to grief over the loss of a friend in the attacks. But the following week, Coulter was at it again: “Congress could pass a law tomorrow requiring that all aliens from Arabic countries leave….We should require passports to fly domestically. Passports can be forged, but they can also be checked with the home country in case of any suspicious-looking swarthy males.” This time Lowry spiked her column. Coulter responded by calling Lowry and his staff censorious “girly boys.” Lowry then dropped her as a contributing editor. Other conservative leaders also condemned her comments.
What’s curious is that Coulter’s comments aren’t all that different, in tone and style, from hundreds of others she’s made over the years. But in the past, her ire was directed at her domestic political enemies—for which she drew fulsome praise from conservatives. Last year, the Media Research Center presented Coulter with its “Conservative Journalist of the Year” award. The Clare Boothe Luce Policy Institute bestowed upon her its annual conservative leadership award “for her unfailing dedication to truth, freedom and conservative values and for being an exemplar, in word and deed, of what a true leader is.”
Coulter is spinning her downfall as a new kind of terrorist-war McCarthyism. “People are hysterical about speech right now,” she told The Washington Post’s Howard Kurtz. “Everyone’s comments are being taken out of context and wildly misinterpreted.” At the risk of further de-contextualization, here are some of Coulter’s past comments:
“[Clinton] masturbates in the sinks.”—Rivera Live 8/2/99
“God gave us the earth. We have dominion over the plants, the animals, the trees. God said, ‘Earth is yours. Take it. Rape it. It’s yours.'”—Hannity & Colmes, 6/20/01
The “backbone of the Democratic Party” is a “typical fat, implacable welfare recipient”—syndicated column 10/29/99
To a disabled Vietnam vet: “People like you caused us to lose that war.”—MSNBC
“Women like Pamela Harriman and Patricia Duff are basically Anna Nicole Smith from the waist down. Let’s just call it for what it is. They’re whores.”—Salon.com 11/16/00
Juan Gonzales is “Cuba’s answer to Joey Buttafuoco,” a “miscreant,” “sperm-donor,” and a “poor man’s Hugh Hefner.”—Rivera Live 5/1/00
On Princess Diana’s death: “Her children knew she’s sleeping with all these men. That just seems to me, it’s the definition of ‘not a good mother.’ … Is everyone just saying here that it’s okay to ostentatiously have premarital sex in front of your children?”…”[Diana is] an ordinary and pathetic and confessional – I’ve never had bulimia! I’ve never had an affair! I’ve never had a divorce! So I don’t think she’s better than I am.”—MSNBC 9/12/97
“I think there should be a literacy test and a poll tax for people to vote.”—Hannity & Colmes, 8/17/99
“I think [women] should be armed but should not [be allowed to] vote.”—Politically Incorrect, 2/26/01
“If you don’t hate Clinton and the people who labored to keep him in office, you don’t love your country.”—George, 7/99
“We’re now at the point that it’s beyond whether or not this guy is a horny hick. I really think it’s a question of his mental stability. He really could be a lunatic. I think it is a rational question for Americans to ask whether their president is insane.”—Equal Time
“It’s enough [to be impeached] for the president to be a pervert.”—The Case Against Bill Clinton, Coulter’s 1998 book.
“Clinton is in love with the erect penis.”—This Evening with Judith Regan, Fox News Channel 2/6/00
“I think we had enough laws about the turn-of-the-century. We don’t need any more.” Asked how far back would she go to repeal laws, she replied, “Well, before the New Deal…[The Emancipation Proclamation] would be a good start.”—Politically Incorrect 5/7/97
“If they have the one innocent person who has ever to be put to death this century out of over 7,000, you probably will get a good movie deal out of it.”—MSNBC 7/27/97
“If those kids had been carrying guns they would have gunned down this one [child] gunman. … Don’t pray. Learn to use guns.”—Politically Incorrect, 12/18/97
“The presumption of innocence only means you don’t go right to jail.”—Hannity & Colmes 8/24/01
“I have to say I’m all for public flogging. One type of criminal that a public humiliation might work particularly well with are the juvenile delinquents, a lot of whom consider it a badge of honor to be sent to juvenile detention. And it might not be such a cool thing in the ‘hood to be flogged publicly.”—MSNBC 3/22/97
“Originally, I was the only female with long blonde hair. Now, they all have long blonde hair.”—CapitolHillBlue.com 6/6/00
“I am emboldened by my looks to say things Republican men wouldn’t.”—TV Guide 8/97
“Let’s say I go out every night, I meet a guy and have sex with him. Good for me. I’m not married.”—Rivera Live 6/7/00
“Anorexics never have boyfriends. … That’s one way to know you don’t have anorexia, if you have a boyfriend.”—Politically Incorrect 7/21/97
“I think [Whitewater]’s going to prevent the First Lady from running for Senate.”—Rivera Live 3/12/99
“My track record is pretty good on predictions.”—Rivera Live 12/8/98
“The thing I like about Bush is I think he hates liberals.”—Washington Post 8/1/00
On Rep. Christopher Shays (d-CT) in deciding whether to run against him as a Libertarian candidate: “I really want to hurt him. I want him to feel pain.”—Hartford Courant 6/25/99
“The swing voters—I like to refer to them as the idiot voters because they don’t have set philosophical principles. You’re either a liberal or you’re a conservative if you have an IQ above a toaster. “—Beyond the News, Fox News Channel, 6/4/00
“My libertarian friends are probably getting a little upset now but I think that’s because they never appreciate the benefits of local fascism.”—MSNBC 2/8/97
“You want to be careful not to become just a blowhard.”—Washington Post 10/16/98
‘Nuff said!
Carl Grossman
Liberal, Democrat and using the internet.
In any case, Mike? is running for an elective office where he is to represent me. I am part of the old, eroding middle-class. I do not receive bonuses of any sort, let alone multi-million dollar ones.
When I go out, I have one beer. I know, I know, but I am equally compulsive about flossing morning and night. I hate the dental chair, and I cannot imagine spending the night in a drunk tank. I’m also cheap and hate the expense of the dentist, and would detest the cost of a DUI.
Mike? is clearly not like me. He votes against my interests. He is a cheap labor-conservative. This latest revelation merely reinforces my thought that He Cannot Pass the Smell Test.
Justice Richard Sanders has an interesting opinion column in the Spokesman-Review about how the Supreme Court and Gov Gregoire should not mix.
http://www.spokesmanreview.com.....?ID=146291
Nice to see JCH is till off on his racist and anti-semitic A.D.D. jihad. Wouldn’t want to break a long-running record of insane postings.
-The 1988 Gorton campaign ran an ad “based on an article in the UW Daily newspaper that accused Rep. Lowry of supporting marijuana legislation,” and McGavick and the campaign “let the ad finish its week-long run” even after “evidence mounted that the Daily article was not an accurate reflection of (Lowry’s) views.”-
So, if McGavick claims to have “learned his lesson” back then, why is he lying about Maria Cantwell’s record on the minimum wage bill now?
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Get serious, Lib! Taxpayer-gouging is a bipartisan sport and you know it. It’s standard practice for pols to hold popular programs like parks, libraries, and police and fire protection hsotage. We pay for gold-plated pork first, and if we want basic services, we have to ante up extra. Politicians of all parties have been doing it forever.
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Coulter’s former good friend David Brock has often commented on Coulter’s promiscuity. In the larger picture, she is a woman utterly without scruples, conscience, moral restraint, or moral compass.
And Republicans lecture us about “morality” and “values?” They should shut up and clean their own house first, starting by sweeping the trash (i.e., Coulter and her ilk) out the door.
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You have 3 days to file an accident report. How can you forget you’ve been in a vehicular accident only 3 days later?
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Coulture is the Goebbels of the insane right. No mere braying jackass in the background, she is a dangerous hatemonger, in the mold of the abolitionist John Brown, who is doing everything she can to foment a civil war in the United States. Brown was hanged; as for Coulter … is that tree still available?
Just kidding, Ann! I wouldn’t really string you up, if I had the chance. That’s way too quick.
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
Get a load of that rabbit and his funnybone!
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
Coulter needs to get a sense of humor
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
We pay for gold-plated pork first, and if we want basic services, we have to ante up extra. Politicians of all parties have been doing it forever.
Commentby Roger Rabbit— 8/25/06@ 3:48 pm
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Wow, I never thought I hear you criticize BOTH the Reps AND the Dems with the same comment and for the same reason!
Here’s a question for the attorneys, lay practitioners, and retired judges:
Isn’t .17 an awfully high BAC for someone to qualify for deferred prosecution?
As a prospective District Court Judge, this one ought to be right up Richard Pope’s alley. Even though the offense occurred in Maryland, Richard’s been pretty good about filling us in on the particualrs of out-of-state law. So what were the rules for the deferred prosecution program in Maryland back in 1993?
People say to me, they say “Carl”, because that is my name, “what is wrong with John Craig?”. I tell them what I know. That John Craig is the bastard child of Ann Coulter and Satan, although there is rumor of a three way with Rush Limbaugh. Asked how she got pregnant though single, Coulter responded “Let’s say I go out every night, I meet a guy and have sex with him. Good for me. I’m not married.”—Rivera Live 6/7/00 .”
Hmmmmmm…….I am not surprised that she is not married, and with a kid like John Craig, it justs get tougher and tougher.
Carl Grossman
Liberal, Democrat, and Part time funny man.
Commentby My Left Foot [………Carl, I own you. All Mrs. Grossman and you need now is a nice boxcar ride, and a warm shower in the new “shower room”!!]
Carl Grossman
Liberal, Democrat and sloppy keyboardist today.
Fuck you, John Craig, Fuck you! (hehehe) Tookie is waiting for you in hell. (hehehe)
Commentby My Left Foot […………………………………….”Tookie” is [was] a black Democrat hero. How can he be in Hell? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm???]
Carl, Do Mrs. Grossman or you have any gold teeth? Just “axing”………………
STUPID IS, AS STUPID DOES
A 21-year-old college student was arrested in Houston today after getting off a Continental Airlines flight from Argentine after a bomb-sniffing dog led security screeners to a stick of dynamite in the student’s checked luggage. The student told police he works in the mining industry and frequently handles explosives. Authorities announced this is “not” a terrorism case. Presumably, it’s a stupidity case.
sgmmac @ 103,
I suspect no one will check out your link: it is critical of you-know-who.
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Lib — let’s put it this way. Republicans are making Democratic tax-and-send pork-rolling politicians look good — and that ain’t no compliment.
Democratic pork-rolling is ever so much cheaper than GOP corruption … the Democrats, at least, never tried to make off with the Social Security Trust Fund …
Democrats don’t steal from the waitress tip jar, either.
You gotta hand it to the gopers, they cover the whole spectrum. At the same time they’re targeting the Social Security Trust Fund for a multi-trillion-dollar ripoff, they’re lifting quarters and dollar bills out of the tip jar. The Republican motto is, Leave no dime unturned!
GOP = party of crooks and liars
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Richard Sanders is a very opinionated guy. The one time he represented a client in front of me (when I was a judge), he did such a shitty job of representing his client that if he charged the guy a fee he should’ve been prosecuted for theft.
Proud @53
Calm down sweat cheeks, take some more lithium and jump back in bed with your man, Rush. You two deserve each other!
I know nothing about Maryland law in 1993, but I would be surprised if the actual blood alchohol level has anything to do with it. Usually the only question in these types of programs is whether it is a first offense.
How the hell did Mike? qualify for deferred prosecution with a BAC of 0.17%? In 1993 0.12% would have disqualified him from the deferred prosecution program in WA state. Is Maryland law so much more lenient? Or did Senator Skeletor step in a pull some strings for plain ol’ Mike?
Shouldn’t a 35 year old who gets behind the wheel after pounding nine drinks in an hour have to spend a night in jail, lose their license for 30 days and face a DUI conviction?
Not if you’re a well-connected industry lobbyist!
“Coulture is the Goebbels of the insane right. No mere braying jackass in the background, she is a dangerous hatemonger, in the mold of the abolitionist John Brown, who is doing everything she can to foment a civil war in the United States. Brown was hanged; as for Coulter … is that tree still available?”
Commentby Roger Rabbit— 8/25/06@ 3:55 pm
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Anti-American phoneys like Rodent are the Goebbels of the insane left:
“Lincoln made a mistake fighting the Civil War to keep the union together. He should have let these fucks keep Jesusland and live in their own fucking country.”
Commentby Roger Rabbit—— 6/19/06@ 9:58 pm
“You guys are the enemy –– you’ve proven that by your deeds and words. America has other enemies, but the Far Right –– not al Qaeda –– is America’s most dangerous enemy. I feel you should be treated accordingly.”
Comment by Roger Rabbit —— 7/27/06 @ 10:20 pm
“It should be obvious what the exit strategy is. We’re going to lose, and we’re going to pack up and go home. On our way out, the last Americans will be lifted off rooftops by helicopters. I hate to sound like a pessimistic, but as we learned in Vietnam and the Russians learned in Afghanistan, even superpowers can’t defeat a determined, sustained, indigenous guerilla resistance. There is no reputable military thinker in the world who claims to know who to win an urban guerilla war, or who believes it can be done.”
Comment by Roger Rabbit —— 4/12/06 @ 10:45 am
Now I know what the exclamation point after his name is all about.
This guy can PARTY!
Roger,
“never tried to make off with the Social Security Trust Fund”
Now what trust fund are you talking about? The one that is empty?
The one that Congress has been raiding for 60 plus fucking years to fund every pet project from trees across America to balancing the budget (Both parties!)?
That trust fund……….????
…
Libertarian,
You mean they don’t believe in separation of powers?
I could have sworn I read all about it here. How the Executive Branch of government has no business stacking the Supreme Court………….
You should have seen how drunk he was when he thought of kicking Iran out of the World Cup…
I know nothing about Maryland law in 1993, but I would be surprised if the actual blood alchohol level has anything to do with it. Usually the only question in these types of programs is whether it is a first offense.
This sounds right. My first reaction (above) was probably incorrect. I did some poking around, and, while I didn’t find anything definitive, it looks like Maryland’s limit was .10 and it had not yet adopted the more “zero-tolerance” approach found in most states (including WA) today. In Maryland at the time, it appears that what mattered most was whether or not it was a first-offense.
If he had done this today, he would have spent the night in the pokey, and he would have had to jump through some mighty inconvenient, court-ordered hoops after that; but he didn’t.
sgmmac: Now what trust fund are you talking about? The one that is empty?
Uh, no, sgt., it is not empty. However, if the privatizers get their way it will have essentially been looted.
Cosidering that he hired Mike? as his driver for his campaign against Maggie back in 1980, Slade Skeletor is lucky to still be drawing breath.
Let’s face it. He’s lucky to still be drawing breath regardless.
Sgmmac, I point you to the WikiPedia article on the Social Security Trust Fund. This is not onerous. It is short. It is edited by both political sides. The opposing views are mediated by a referee.
I don’t know what the big deal is don’t all republicans have D.U.I.’s and several x’wives?
John Craig Herman @ 114 115 116:
John John John, the only “thing” you own is your little pecker as you masturbate over your “victory” in our little war of words. The thing is, you lost.
Carl Grossman
Liberal, Democrat
It is important to note that Social Security, as well as VA benefits, and Military Retirements are FIFO funds, paid first out of funds as first received. Backed by the full faith and trust of the US Government.
It is also important also to note that all of all these funds can be modified for political purposes. We’ve already seen that this administration places no premium on being a veteran.
they usually ex cons just out of jail for white collar crime or vote rigging . Or some kind of war criminal like Mr John Negroponte.
Watching Ann Coulters meltdown on Fox. MSNBC just did a story on it. The sub for Keith Olbermann end the story with this tag line:
I GUESS WE JUST DISCOVERED THAT THE KRYPTONITE FOR ANN COULTER, IS REASON.
ROFLMAO!!!! We here at HA have known that for years. It works with the WingNuts who frequent this blog.
Carl Grossman
Liberal, Democrat, Keith Olbermann fan
Actually Mike McGavick has at lest not killed and priest or nuns that we know of …
I wish someone would post Keith Olbermann show to the documenty news groups on usenet :-/
and=any
Carl, Do Mrs. Grossman or you have any gold teeth? Just “axing”………………
Comment by Doctor JCH Kennedy — 8/25/06 @ 4:38 pm
John, let me help you with this. It should read as follows:
Carl, Do you, or Mrs. Grossman, have any gold teeth? Just “axing”………………
Comment by Doctor JCH Kennedy — 8/25/06 @ 4:38 pm
Sentence structure is very important, as is semi-proper punctuation.
Now, please, GO FUCK YOURSELF!!!!!
Carl Grossman
Liberal, Democrat
Here bunny, bunny, bunny……Virtual carrots for you. Two bunches today. You have been a very good rabbit lately. Particularly your work on Stefan’s lawn.
Carl Grossman
Liberal, Democrat, Bunny Hugger
Here bunny, bunny, bunny……Virtual carrots for you. Two bunches today. You have been a very good rabbit lately. Particularly your work on Stefan’s lawn.
Carl Grossman
Liberal, Democrat, Bunny Hugger
look out rabbit carl has that need to get laid look in his eye’s ……………….. RUNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Here is something I found on the website of a Maryland DUI attorney:
16. What is a PBJ?
In Maryland, if a person has not been convicted of drunk driving within the previous five years, the person is eligible for probation before judgment, informally called PBJ. A PBJ is exactly what it says, after the court finds the person guilty, the person is placed on probation before getting a judgment (or conviction) against them. If the probation is completed without any violations of probation, the person does not get the conviction, points are not assessed against the person, and the guilty finding does not show on the person’s complete driving record. However, the PBJ does appear on a separate PBJ driving record, which is only available to the person, his or her lawyer, the courts, the prosecutors, and the police. So if the person receiving PBJ gets arrested for drunk driving a second time, the authorities will know about the PBJ.
17. It is my first offense, will I get a PBJ?
The answer to this question depends on what you do before trial to demonstrate a desire to learn about drunk driving, and whether you appear before a judge who gives PBJs. Generally, judges who give PBJs want to see first offenders get an alcohol evaluation to determine whether they are a social drinker or a problem drinker, and also to complete the recommended educational or treatment program. Some judges, generally in more rural counties where court dockets are not so congested, will impose a short jail sentence, one night to ten days, even on a first offender.
http://www.lstamm.com/marylandduifaq.htm
AMAZING! In Maryland, you can have one DUI every 5 years and not even really get punished for it. It won’t even show up on your DRIVING RECORD!
Seems like the insurance industry should be asking for this law to be changed. Somehow I don’t think it is right for someone who gets too drunk to drive, but doesn’t get caught more than once every five years, should have exactly the same insurance rates as someone who doesn’t drink at all.
What’s worse is that this seems to be a matter of judicial discretion in Maryland. Judge Smith might a strong attitude on DUI, never give PBJ, and always give at least 10 days in jail, even for first offenders slightly over the limit. Judge Jones may give PBJ to every single person who qualifies. And Judge Thompson may only give PBJ to person who have expensive private lawyers, while giving at least a minimum sentence to people represented by the public defender.
What is a PBJ?
I thought it was peanut butter and jelly :-/
PBJ is the acronym they use for “Probation Before Judgment” in Maryland. I imagine that some lawyer-type jokes circulate in Maryland with other meanings for this acronym.
Thats were Big Mike got his D.W.I. huh
Gosh hes not only a skally wag but a ferner as well huh EGADS!!!!!!!!
:-(
I guess the folks in Maryland must no him to well for him to run for office there………
McGavick should be applauded for his brilliant timing of disclosing his DUI. I generally like being told something unpleasant about someone from them before I hear it from others. So kudos to McGavick for that.
But please save us from bashing other people before sharing some of your mistakes with us. And then don’t deny that this whole press flurry wasn’t a political tactic. Geez, how stupid does McGavick you think we are?
It’s pretty simple: he can’t help but spin, spin, spin.
And let’s be clear about why McGavick got the DUI. It’s pretty simple: it was because he drank way more than anyone should have who plans on driving. It wasn’t because he missed a yellow light. Simple: You get DUIs when you drink too much and drive, not when you miss yellow lights.
This letter is welcome but is far too cheeky for a guy who claims to be a change agent. It winds up being just smore proof that he’s a world class political gamesman. And he’s right, we don’t need anymore of those in DC.
This McGavick act is getting old far faster than expected.
ok I beat the crap out of some loud mouth republican at the bar last week end.
Boy your right I feel much better now …………
I was thinking about going around with a bright yellow marking pen and underlining the G.O.P in the republicans dark blue political signs so people will know that there republicans and not democrats.
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Oh sorry i didn’t read your whole post before I got mad. I have a bad temper :-(
DAY FOUR 8/25: WHERE’S GOLDY ???????????????????
Tim Eyman came out in opposition to the property tax that never ends. Will Goldy open up his wallet to the greed of Seattle gummint, or get on Tim’s team to oppose the largest tax hike in Seattle’s history?
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Thanks for your informative response Richard.
I suppose Mike? should count himself lucky he was caught in the right jurisdiction and got assigned to the right judge.
And for what it’s worth, if I lived in the Northeast District I’d probably vote for you (despite your disgraceful conduct in the Harborview Bunnyman case).
I mean, how could you be worse the Ottinger?
What bothers me the most about McGavick’s dui is his current practice- he is still a social drinker. Bobbe Bridge stopped drinking, as did Sandra Romero. And without excusing either- especially the judge- both are small women with limited capacity. I don’t know what Bridge was drinking, but Romero got in trouble after three glasses of white wine.
I hope everyone has rethought how they might get to something like .17- it is NOT hard to do. If you simply assume you are are having just “one” drink (per the chart) when you are downing 16 oz microbeers, you are underestimating your consumption by almost 50%. The same if you consider your typical martini as one drink- most places automatically serve up a double for a martini. In fact, most drinks served in our bars and restaurants- unless you are drinking wine or American pisswater beer- are at least doubles, many are triples (those are some of the other things I learn- besides tip credit- from hanging with a bartender).
and if you are just sitting around bsing politics, you are not metabolizing that alcohol at a normal rate- but if you are dancing your ass off, you are burning it up faster than normal.
HOWEVER- if you are tailgating before entering Husky Stadium or Qwest Field, you will hit .17 before you enter the game, and if you don’t cut it out soon after kick-off you will likely be a problem on the road after the game. Goldy can fill us in on the stats for Eagles’ fans…
A final note- the Olympia police are notorious for IDing the latst legislative karaoke watering hole and hanging around to nail a politico driving drunk. Beware, my Liberally Drinking friends, of any right-wing cop that might note when and where you gather and start hunting wascally wabbits- or anyone else.
I don’t wish that on anyone except Left Turd and his puppetmaster MTR…
People have commented on the behavior oF State Supreme Court Justice Bobbe Bridge.
What about the behavior of then Governor Gary Locke, then Attorney-General Chistine Gregoire, and then The Seattle Times columnist Jean Godden coming to Bridge’s defense?
Why did they circle the wagons? Why didn’t they condemn the behavior?
At the time of her charge, State Supreme Court Justice Bobbe should have done the honorable thing and resigned. Instead she still brings discredit to the Washington State Supreme Court.
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Just watched “Judge Judy”. It’s fun to watch these loser Democrats who “have needs”, gold chains, diamond earrings, and no jobs. They “gets da “guvment” check, drive illegally, wreak other people’s cars, borrow money from friends, and never pay them back. The lesson: Stay far away from this loser “entitled” class of Democrats. Don’t hire them. Don’t live in the same community. Keep your kids away from this loser class of Democrat urban scum. Final thought: This Democrat scum all live in a public school Democrat “PC” envoronment, and are absolutely shocked when Judge Judy tells them that they are uneducated scum. Why am I reminded of “The Socialist”???
May we never forget:
Exclusive.
Was the Jew killer a conservative or liberal. In the Seattle Times we have the following quote:
Haq’s friend said he couldn’t believe the timid, “geeky” man he knew from the tutoring center was capable of such violence.
“Are you sure we’re talking about the same person?” he said Sunday………….
He said Haq was not a devout Muslim and often complained that the Tri-Cities were too politically conservative.
“I’m beginning to think I was his only friend in the Tri-Cities. I don’t recall him hanging out with anybody else.”
Now for the other side we turn to Darryl’s story on HA July 30, 2006:
Psssssssssstttttttt…….
Ah it looks like the story was all a bunch of hot air. Well there you have it. Enjoy all you Nazi Libs.
I would rather drive with McGavick then with my uncle Teddy anyday.
John Craig @ 162:
News flash for you: Judge Judy Sheindlin, is Jewish, New York born and bred. She is probably Democrat too.
I guess you will have to poke your eyes out now. Shame.
Carl Grossman
Liberal, Democrat and not letting you get away with it any more.
John Craig, Judge Judy is a Democrat: From the website mydd.com.
In all honesty, who could prove a better model than Judge Judy? Yes, she is prickly. Yes, she is rigid. However, she is a notoriously strong woman who knows what she wants and how to get it. Her folksy wisdom–encapsulated in the very titles of her books, such as “Keep It Simple, Stupid”–would truly prove valuable to a Democratic hoard that cannot seem to broadcast a simple message at any time, in any capacity. We are simply too focused on trying to please too many people unsuccessfully, when we would most likely be able to sharpen our focus and get some credibility and image of strength back.
Of course Judge Judy, unlike her former People’s Court counterpart Ed Koch (who, ironically, appointed Judge Judy to the bench back during his mayoral tenure) has not held an elected political office…and, chances are, she never will. However, this should not preclude our looking to her as a model of Democratic…and progressive…strength while keeping and capitalizing upon the “straight talk” that wins John McCain and George Bush so much support throughout the country. It’s time for the Democrats to stop allowing Republicans to pee on Americans’ legs and tell them it’s raining. They must learn how to speak and, as New York Times columnist Matt Bai hypothesizes, the Democrats will be able to master the essential political art of “framing”…truly the only area in which I can confidently and unabashedly assert the Democrats as inferior to the Republicans.
Appointed by a Democratic mayor to the bench in NY.
I have the ice pick for you to use.
Dumbass!!!!!
Carl Grossman
Liberal, Democrat, just like JCH’s hero, Judge Judy. Gosh, he must look up to me too.
Carl, There are a lot of Jewish “heros” in the IDF and the IAF that I admire. And then there is Chuckie Schumer, Barb Boxer, DiFi, and a bunch of commie lib Jews like you who I fine as pond scum. The loser Dems on “Judge Judy” belong to an uneducated “entitled” class of Democrats who generally are worthless. They are shocked at “Judge Judy” because NO ONE has ever told them so!!! Very entertaining!!! And the POS loser idiots remind me of Democrat “The Socialist”. They are “entitled”, and have “needs”!! Classically funny!!
Holy shit… Iran better look out. Now the french are talking “confrontation” with them over nukes.
Yeah, those fucking ragheads better look out or french minister hyphen-name is gonna send them a very strongly worded letter. Bygawd, that’ll teach ’em to fuck with the french.
Read the tough talk here: http://english.people.com.cn/2.....96969.html
Ummm… is this what you moonbats mean by “diplomacy”?
Carl, We can agree Judge Judy is one hell of a tough cookie. Nothing Democrat “PC” about her!! And she holds people responsible for their actions. [Not very “progressive” of her!]
Hey, where has Jim King Tax Evader been the past coupla days? Did the IRS come knocking on his door? Who’s next?: Liar Liar Pants On Fire Cantwell?
re 170: If not for the French and their assistence during the Revolution there would be no America. But to AmericanTories both then and now that makes no difference.
To people like MTR and his political forbears it all boils down to the almighty dollar and nothing more. I’d slap you around like a little girl, MTR, if youstarted spouting your drivel in my presence.
I’m not just talking, I relly mean it.
You sorry puss,
Go France. Hit them with a letter and if that doesnt work hit them with reprimand. If you really piss them off they may appoint a special committee to study sanctions. This committee will have full funding a report directly to Chirac. You have just been French whacked!!!
Go France. Hit them with a letter and if that doesnt work hit them with a reprimand. If you really piss them off they may appoint a special committee to study sanctions. This committee will have full funding and report directly to Chirac. You have just been French whacked!!!
re 174 & 175??: The frequency is: “Eat me Raw!!!” DILDO!!!
Republicans are the millstone around the neck of humanity. The FEMA concentration camps will be good for something once the Rethugs are out of power.
Put every member of the Crisco Fascist right in them.
No Lucy. Not french licked, french whacked. Be careful.
If I were in the same room with MTR, I would feel morally compelled to strangle the life out of him. What a joy that would be!
re 178: Be careful yourself, poser…
for looooooosy
Looks like the wuss brigade is silent. Eat me raw right wing log cabinites…
for looooooosy, V2
@172- Hey dumbfuck MTR- just look @159- you have trouble reading, fool?
re 181: I’ll piss on your grave.
In fact,I think I will visit the graves of prominent Republicans and micturate on them.
Right on their headstones.
@175 HMS Sheffield, meet Exocet, dumbass. . . .
MTR @ 170- Remind me, who has been president for the last 5+ years, and which party has dominated the House and Senate while Iran built its nuclear capibility? And we don’t even need to talk anout N. Korea. All while GWB sought to overcome his Daddy complex by getting Saddam, who was no threat to the USA.
Spout some talking points to me.
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“Roger … what trust fund are you talking about? The one that is empty? The one that Congress has been raiding for 60 plus fucking years to fund every pet project from trees across America to balancing the budget (Both parties!)? That trust fund……….???? … ” Commentby sgmmac— 8/25/06@ 5:10 pm
Let’s do a simple deconstruct of your simpleton logic to demonstrate how simple-minded your wingnut talking points are.
Do you have a bank account, Mac? I’ll bet you do. So … do you think the bank takes your money and buries it in the ground, hides it in a mattress, or locks it in a vault? No, the bank loans it out to business and individual borrowers. Let’s say the bank pays you 4% interest on your savings, and lends your money at 8%, the spread of 4% is how the bank makes money to pay for buildings, staff, equipment, and its shareholders’ profit.
What do you think the Social Security Trust Fund does with your FICA taxes? Buries it in the ground, hides it in a mattress, or locks it in a vault? No, the SSTF loans it out to the U.S. government — the most creditworthy borrower on the planet. This money earns interest to be repaid from U.S. government tax revenues — the most reliable revenue stream on the planet.
Is the money loaned to the government perfectly safe? No, nothing is. The U.S. government might be overthrown, or go bankrupt, or simply default its loan obligations. Congress could decide not to repay the money it borrowed from the SSTF. But if that happens, the U.S. economy will collapse, U.S. currency will be worthless, and all private debt obligations will be equally worthless and unenforceable. In other words, the money borrowed from the SSTF by the U.S. government MIGHT not get paid back, but it will be the LAST obligation to be defaulted, and if that happens no other contracts, debt obligations, stock certifications, or currency will be worth anything, either.
When a government ceases to exist, so does its currency and debts. The Confederate defeat in 1865 rendered worthless all southern currency, veterans pensions, land titles, and everything else that depended on the rebel government for its validity. The Russian revolution in 1917 overthrew all existing social, political, and economic relationships and property titles in that country. So it has been throughout history, which teaches us that no government, society, or country is permanent.
So where does that lead us? Simply this. Rightwing claims that the SSTF is “bankrupt” simply because the trust fund is full of U.S. government debt instruments instead of gold, diamonds, silver dollars, oil futures, Starbucks stock certificates, or barter goods is propaganda bullshit. I’d rather have my future SS benefits depend on the repayment promises of the U.S. government than on the payment promises of the bank where I keep my checking account or the companies (including Starbucks) whose stock certificates I own. You’re blowing smoke out of your ass, Mac. Either that, or you’ve been brainwashed by rightwing lies.
Fact-check: Since 1938, the government has paid every dollar of promised Social Security benefits on time.
Can you say the same of the private banking industry? No, our history is full of bank runs, and people deposit their funds in private banks ONLY because the U.S. government (that you don’t trust to repay the SSTF) insures those accounts.
Can you say the same of the financial markets? No, our history is full of stock market crashes, manipulation, Wall Street fraud, greenmailing — there are 10,000 different ways to steal from shareholders, and all of them have been used at one time or another. Who do most Americans depend on for retirement security, Wall Street or Social Security?
Tell you what, Mac. I have a proposition for you. If you don’t trust Congress to repay the Social Security Trust Fund, then I know a man who wants to sell you some Russian oil futures.
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I too find it ironic that wingnuts fret about the “empty” Social Security Trust Fund and cheerlead Bush’s efforts to empty it, all in the same breath.
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So, checking back to the thread, as an avowed, proud, liberal Democrat, this DWI incident ranks pretty far down my list of reasons not to vote for Mike! One time, a while ago gets a pass. His policies and his party’s direction get strong opposition.
STERLING HEIGHTS – A 7-Eleven clerk who was fatally shot by a customer early Thursday morning may have lost his life over a $1.16 taco. Sterling Heights police say they have identified a prime suspect in the shooting as Kenyatta Khuru Davis, 35, of Shelby Township.
These kind of black-on-black crimes happen every day, yet the NAACP and Democrats remains silent. Even Carl Grossman and his family knows to stay away from black Democrat urban areas. They are nothing but Democrat controlled jungles of human waste.
Jimmy the bitch my only wish is that you’d grow a set of balls, come out from behind your computer there on McNeil Island and show up in person. That’d be worth catching a DUI for!
I have read a lot of comments about the Burner / Reichert, and the Goldmark / McMorris polls. I hear the “easterners” saying there is no way a Democrat can win in Easter Washington. I have one thing to say. I grew up in Eastern Washington, and have a lot of friends and family there. When it comes to politics there is one thing for sure. None of them know a damn thing about what is going on in our government. I could ask them question, after question about current events, and their lack of knowledge would be breathtaking. They don’t care much about politics. I guess that is why they vote for Republicans. They are lazy when it comes to finding facts, and care nothing for the future of our country. Nothing. The perfect people to use Rove’s catch phrases on. I feel sorry for my friends. In a political debate they would be made to look like such fools, they should have to unregister to vote…..
It is amazing how little you have to dig to find people retarded enough to still think Republicans are helping America grow stronger.
If making the whole world hate America is what makes us stronger, then I guess Bush is doing a fine job. Uniting the world against us!
Vote Republican = Destroy America
I just wonder what horrow Bush will unleash to keep from being frog marched off to prison a few more days.
Oh by the way, has Bush fired the leaker yet?
I think I will start following some of the more notorious right wing Legislative members to their respective watering holes this session and then place calls to 911 when the time is right. Maybe we can catch some more right wing criminals and get em off the streets before they kill someone.
Come on JCH, get off the petty crime BS and tell us what you think of the increase in the nuclear threat while Bush and Company have been in control.
Can you do it withour a Tookie reference?
Or is hide the ball the only strategy you guys have left?
Officials in southeastern China are trying to resettle more than 15 million people left homeless after four devastating typhoons hit the coast, said the official Xinhua news agency. In Fujian and neighbouring Zhejiang, two of the worst-hit provinces, the storms caused damage totalling more than $3.9 billion. [………..George Bush created this storm to kick Chicomm ass!!! [You dumb ass lib Democrats believe anything!!]
Come on, JCH, what about the increase in nuclear threat to the USA during the Bush regime? What have you got? More silly BS.
You are a pitiful fool
197……Take out Iran’s nukes…..NOW!! One huge “Alpha” strike will do the job. If Iran does ANYTHING in return, one SSBN [Ohio class Trident] unloads and finishes the job. Fuck the raghead terrorists, and take their oil afterwards. Every drop. That will teach them to fuck with America. BTW, after we nuke Iran, Kim Il Jong will start being a little prick.
And what is the Bush policy on China? Oh yeah, mortgage our future to them. Brilliant!
It’s the syphilis, K. When it goes untreated long enough, it attacks the central nervous system, particularly the brain, and the resulting paresis looks a lot like JCH’s ravings.
JCH @ 200- your guy has been in control for the past 5+ years, why did he choose Iraq? Why doesn’t he do something?
@203- JCH is a silly fool, only to be engaged for one’s onw amusement.
Mr. Bush has done a great job. Uniting the world against us. All facts support this conclusion.
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Oooooooo … somebody’s a little TOUCHY today! It’s not good to start drinking so soon after lunch, you know. Is Mike? there drinking with you?
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“So if you are a 300 lbs active professional football player, you can probably get by with an extra drink that the other guy cannot.”
Judging from the number of oversized football and basketball players who have been driving drunk and hitting guardrails recently, this seems questionable.
Thank God we had General Curtiss LeMay to help end WW II. If you fucking libs ran the WW II show, we would still be having “diplomatic” chats with our enemies, and you idiot libs would be worried sick about civilian deaths in Germany and Japan.
Iraq owes America 1 trillion dollars worth of sweet crude for getting rid of the raghead POS Saddam. Payable now!!!!
Hillary’s Democrat Controlled Urban Third World Villages: Gary, ID, Detroit, MI, South Central, LA, CA, Oakland , CA, East St. Louis, MI, Philly, PA, and Harare, Zimbabwe………..All shit holes, and not a Republican around for miles!!!!! Carl, These are some great Democrat cities that Mrs. Grossman would love to visit at 2 AM!!!!!
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“Lincoln made a mistake fighting the Civil War to keep the union together. He should have let these fucks keep Jesusland and live in their own fucking country.” Commentby Roger Rabbit—— 6/19/06@ 9:58 pm
Poor ignorant FascistFuck doesn’t know satire when he see it. That’s what comes from cutting 7th-grade lit class.
“You guys are the enemy –– you’ve proven that by your deeds and words. America has other enemies, but the Far Right –– not al Qaeda –– is America’s most dangerous enemy. I feel you should be treated accordingly.” Comment by Roger Rabbit —— 7/27/06 @ 10:20 pm
No irony here — I meant every word of it, and it bears repeating … so I repeat — the Far Right is America’s most dangerous enemy. (You’ll see why momentarily.)
“It should be obvious what the exit strategy is. We’re going to lose, and we’re going to pack up and go home. On our way out, the last Americans will be lifted off rooftops by helicopters. I hate to sound like a pessimistic, but as we learned in Vietnam and the Russians learned in Afghanistan, even superpowers can’t defeat a determined, sustained, indigenous guerilla resistance. There is no reputable military thinker in the world who claims to know who to win an urban guerilla war, or who believes it can be done.” Comment by Roger Rabbit —— 4/12/06 @ 10:45 am
Poor Pollyanna FascistFuck still thinks we can win in Iraq. There was a time when we could have won. But that opportunity was forfeited by, guess who, the incompetent wingfucks when they —
lied to the world about their reasons for invading Iraq;
failed to do any pre-invasion occupation planning;
ignored the military professionals who said they would need 500,000 soldiers to occupy Iraq;
shorted our own troops of essential combat gear;
overextended and exhausted our troops;
failed to understand Iraqi society or grasp the risk of Iraqi civil war;
and last but not least,
arrested, tortured, and murdered innocent Iraqi civilians, and
encouraged and condoned the commission of atrocities against Iraqi civilians, including women, children, and yes babies, by U.S. troops
Good night JCH, you silly fool. No response on substance, so no point in continued engegement.
Sweet Tookie dreams to you, as that’s what seems to make you happiest.
I suppose it’s useless to ask FascistFuck what HE would do if a foreign invader occupied his country, razed his village, and killed his women and children …
think I will start following some of the more notorious right wing Legislative members to their respective watering holes this session and then place calls to 911 when the time is right. Maybe we can catch some more right wing criminals and get em off the streets before they kill someone.
Commentby LeftTurn— 8/25/06@ 10:17 pm
To bad you were not around when it really mattered.
Roger Rabbit @ 207
If you are a professional basketball player who blows a 0.132 on the breath test, have a good lawyer, and appear in front of a judge like Frank LaSalata, you can have the breath test thrown out of court, and force the prosecution to plea bargain the case down to reckless driving:
REDMOND � Sonics forward Rashard Lewis pleaded not guilty Monday to charges of driving under the influence of alcohol, while King County prosecutors learned that they must proceed without a key piece of evidence.
During the arraignment at the Northeast Division of King County District Court, Judge Frank V. LaSalata granted a defense motion to suppress the breathalyzer test from Lewis’ Oct. 1 arrest.
http://archives.seattletimes.nwsource.com
Sweet Tookie dreams to you, as that’s what seems to make you happiest.
Commentby K [K, Tookie is dead, but still hard, and since it is Friday, is “servicing” with Mrs. Carl Grossman tonight. She loves that “9 inches of black Democrat love”!!!]
I suppose it’s useless to ask FascistFuck what HE would do if a foreign invader occupied his country, razed his village, and killed his women and children …
Commentby Roger Rabbit [No invasion………Only “Alpha Strikes” on the Iranian’s nukes, but, if the ragheads do something stupid, an Ohio class sub will start and end the problem on the same day!!!]
Richard @214,
what do you wanna bet that Lewis’ attorneys typed the exclusionary motion?
You won’t see too many of those if you make it on to the District Court bench. You’ll be lucky if you can read them at all through all the erasure marks.
LaSalata probably gave it to them out of sheer gratitude.
In King County District Court No. C00602134 (filed in Redmond courthouse), Judge Frank LaSalata threw out the breath test results at Rashard Lewis’ ARRAIGNMENT on December 19, 2005, even though the defendant’s attorney simply made an oral motion to quash the breath test results for the first time at arraignment.
I think that BOTH the Defendant AND the State are entitled to a fair trial. If the Defendant feels that certain evidence should be suppressed, they should be required to file a written motion sufficiently in advance of a hearing, and the State should have the opportunity to respond to the motion. The suppression hearing should be set on an appropriate calendar, and each side should have the opportunity to present evidence and oral argument.
It is even worse to put suppression motions on an arraignment calendar, even if written notice had been given. One of the most important parts of the arraignment calendar is to protect the rights of all the defendants who are appearing. Making sure they know about their right to a lawyer. Making sure they know the elements of the offense. Giving them time to have a public defender or lawyer present at arraignment — even if they just want to plead not guilty. Going the extra mile if an unrepresented defendant wants to plead guilty at arraignment — and almost certainly rejecting the plea until they have a chance to get a lawyer. Making sure there is probable cause presented for the case to go forward. Determining conditions of release, such as bail and no contact orders. But not giving preference to some private attorney who is itching to have a suppression motion heard.
Apparently, LaSalata doesn’t like breath test results at all. Which is interesting, given that he was an engineer with a master’s degree from WSU before going to law school. And from what I can tell, a pretty good engineer. In his KCBA questionnaire, LaSalata lists five judicial decisions that he is proud of — all of which involve throwing out breath test results while serving as a pro tempore judge in King County:
http://www.kcba.org/scriptcont.....salata.pdf (See Page 7 of PDF, answer to Question 18)
Looking more at the docket in the Rashard Lewis case, King County District Court No. C00602134, there was a plea bargain agreement reached with the King County prosecutors on April 3, 2006 (with pro-tempore Judge Frank LaSalata also presiding). Lewis was allowed to plead guilty to the reduced charge of Reckless Driving. This happens a lot when judges throw out the breath test — it can be hard to convict for DUI when there are no test results.
Lewis was given a net of ZERO days in jail, a net fine of $1,470.00, 24 months of unsupervised probation, and a requirement to attend a DUI victims’ panel (i.e. spend a few hours listening to people injured by drunk drivers and their family members and survivors). There is also 365 days of suspended jail time and $4,650.00 of suspended fine that could be imposed if Lewis violates these conditions.
One requirement imposed by Judge LaSalata — both as a condition of release pending trial at arraignment, and as a condition of probation at sentencing — Lewis can’t refuse to take a breath test and cannot have a breath test reading of 0.08 or above. However, this requirement would be almost meaningless if Lewis ended up in front of LaSalata for violating it, and LaSalata threw out the breath test results again!
Whew — I was WORRIED for a moment! Looking at the court docket, Rashard Lewis lives in Mercer Island. And the Northeast Electoral Division for King County District Court includes Mercer Island.
But not to worry. I went to Stefan’s voter database. Rashard Lewis isn’t registered anywhere in the State of Washington. And just to be sure, I went to King County Elections (just in case Stefan’s database was out of date), and their voter lookup also didn’t show Lewis being registered in the State of Washington.
JESUS CAMP: THE DOCUMENTARY
In post #211 above, I promised to explain why the Far Right is more dangerous to America than Al Qaeda. “Jesus Camp” is a soon-to-be-released award-winning documentary film depicting the Far Right’s religious-political indoctrination of young children, focusing on a summer camp run by Pentacostal preacher Becky Fischer.
From the reviews:
“Fischer sees nothing wrong with indoctrinating children as young as 6-years-old …. ‘The Extreme liberals, they have to look at this and start shaking in their boots at what these kids will be like when they grow up,’ Fischer says in the film. ‘You could call it brainwashing …’ says Fischer, who at one point denies indoctrinating children politically but then admits it.”
http://tinyurl.com/p7bhf
“Pastor Fischer instructs the little ones that they should be willing to die for Christ …. She may even use the word martyr, which has a shocking echo in the Middle East. I can see future suicide bombers for Jesus — the next step will be learning to fly planes into buildings. Of course, the grownups would say, ‘Oh no, we’re not like them’ — but they admit that the principal difference is simply that ‘We’re right.'”
http://tinyurl.com/ogsru
“In several scenes, we see the children being home-schooled by parents who want to shield their children from public schools, with one mother teaching … that ‘science doesn’t prove anything.’ Elsewhere, we see another pastor instructing the children to reach their hands towards a life-sized cardboard cutout of George W. Bush so that they can pray for him in ways that are clearly politically inflected …. This pastor is especially interested in recruiting ‘warriors’ ….”
http://tinyurl.com/rndko
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A slap on the wrist. We need tough judges who are not afraid to mete out tough justice to drunk drivers. LaSalata, as I recall, is one of your opponents for the N.E. District Court seat, the other being incumbent Mary Ottinger, who is currently serving a suspension for judicial misconduct.
This is as good a time as any to remind HorsesAss readers that Roger Rabbit has endorsed Richard Pope for that position, as the “lesser evil” among the three candidates. Ottinger locked up a 17-year-old girl for over a year for a non-driving drinking offense without advising the girl of her right to have an attorney, and has been repeatedly warned or disciplined for violating the constitutional rights of defendants. LaSalata threatened to jail citizens attending small claims court — and they hadn’t even done anything. Even Richard is better than one of these Stalinist judges.
Tree Frog Farmer;,
I don’t trust either party to not trust the funds and yes, I know that this working generation funds the retirement of their grandparents.
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“look out rabbit carl has that need to get laid look in his eye’s …” Commentby The Socialist— 8/25/06@ 6:12 pm
I’m not particular. Rabbits are designed to FUCK! A rabbit is a fucking machine. Of course, I prefer to fuck female rabbits in heat, because the whole purpose of fucking is making MORE BUNNIES!!! The human species is bound to either exterminate itself or get naturally selected out of the evolutionary continuum. When that happens, some other species will take over, and it might as well be RABBITS!!! Strength lies in numbers, you know, so the more rabbits — the better! And when rabbits are the dominant species, I will be their king, and Roger Rabbit will rule the world!!!
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P.S., if you know any horny female rabbits, tell ’em to call 1-800-FUCK-ROG.
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“I beat the crap out of some loud mouth republican” Commentby The Socialist— 8/25/06@ 6:47 pm
You’re on the right track, but the only way to shut them up for good is lynching ’em … hey just kidding! ha ha ha ha ha WTF is Coulter does it, why can’t I?
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“I have a bad temper” Commentby The Socialist— 8/25/06@ 6:58 pm
It’s about time progressives displayed a little emotion! We’ve been way too patient with these fascist traitors. Unfortunately, due to our liberal tolerance training and turn-the-other-cheek Christian values, we’ve been reluctant to give them the ass-kicking they deserve! No mercy for wingfucks.
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I think we should just kick their asses and let God worry about the forgiveness and mercy stuff.
157 DAY TWO HUNDRED AND FOUR
Where’s the $100 you owe Goldy?
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“Beware, my Liberally Drinking friends, of any right-wing cop that might note when and where you gather and start hunting wascally wabbits- or anyone else.” Commentby Jim King— 8/25/06@ 7:35 pm
They can pull me over all they want — I’ll always blow 0.00. Why? Because the unsanitary conditions in Vietnam fucked up my gizzards, and my pipes can’t tolerate alcohol anymore, so I don’t drink any because it makes me sick.
Roger,
I like your logic and I do hope they never default.
Clinton said it would go broke and Republicans didn’t believe him.
Bush said it would go broke and Democrats didn’t believe him.
Greenspan said it will go broke and nothing changed either. Furthermore, if you believe them, Medicare is in worse shape than SS.
I don’t trust Congress – any of them, when they wheel and deal we are on the losing end of the stick. Both parties.
There’s an article today in the Olympian about the State of Washington DOT selling “depreciation on the old steel ferries” to investors. ??????????
When the state sells “depreciation” – I want to know what other taxpayer owned items are they selling. Bridges? Roads?
Roger Rabbit is a teetotaler. Roger Rabbit has never been an alcoholic, but Roger has health problems that limit what Roger can eat and drink. My veterinarian put me on a garden-only diet! CARROTS! YUMMY!!! I LOVE CARROTS!!! I LOVE CARROT JUICE, TOO!!! YUMMY!!
P.S., I also like to shit on Stefan’s lawn, to keep it nice and green!
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“I don’t trust Congress” Commentby sgmmac— 8/26/06@ 12:05 am
You’re on the right track. Remember Murphy’s Law 28(d) which says:
“Nobody’s life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session.”
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And the rightwing solution to urban jungles is what? Less government? Fewer police? No prisons?
That’s what lower taxes buys — less government, less protection, less civilization, less of everything. Clinton put 100,000 more cops on the streets. Bush took them off the streets.
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“Maybe we can catch some more right wing criminals and get em off the streets before they kill someone.” Commentby LeftTurn— 8/25/06@ 10:17 pm
Too late.
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It’s time to play “Let’s Get Real!” about who strengthened America, and who is weakening America.
“DEMOCRATS and DEFENSE: THE LEGACY OF PRESIDENT CLINTON
“’Clinton presided over a judicious and inexpensive, yet effective, modernization program … he retained high standards in military personnel and readiness, as proved on the battlefields of Bosnia, Kosovo, Afghanistan, and Iraq.” — ‘Clinton’s Strong Defense Legacy’ by Michael O’Hanlon (in)
‘Foreign Affairs’ (magazine)”
“It’s time to set the record straight. We’ve finally got the proof … that, contrary to right-wing Republican rhetoric … President William Jefferson Clinton was a strong pro-military president with ‘prescient’ plans for America’s national defense.
“The idea that any president would be anti-military is ludicrous. It’s against America’s self-interest, which every president … is elected to uphold. Still, right-wing rabble-rousers want the American public to believe that the only people capable of keeping America safe and strong are Republican. This is a patently fallacious tactic …. However, this is not to say that some leaders aren’t better suited … for the position of commander in chief. …
“President Clinton came into office with a dreadful advance story … including anti-war protests during the Vietnam war, deferment issues, including a paper trail that offered up ammunition for his enemies to label him a ‘draft dodger.’ Of course, W. has an equally spineless past, but he had a couple of things that Bad boy Bill didn’t: a war hero father, who had been C.I.A. director, vice president, then president; and a membership in the Republican Party.
“President Clinton, once in office, then handed his enemies more ammo: he made ‘don’t ask, don’t tell’ the first item on his agenda. (Huge mistake.) It was an inauspicious choice on which to begin a first term and failed miserably …. These events … are why … the vast majority of the American people, including Democrats, do not know the outstanding legacy of President Clinton’s military.
“It was the Clinton administration that oversaw a ‘prescient modernization program,’ the likes of which would make Rumsfeld weep with envy, if he had one-half the imagination of the previous Administration. The proof is conclusive and can be seen through the successful military victories of Bosnia, Kosovo, Afghanistan and Iraq.
“‘A commander in chief leads the military built by those who came before him.’ — V.P. Candidate Dick Cheney …
“The Afghanistan and Iraq wars, when U.S. forces annihilated our battlefield enemies in quick order, brought to public view the incredible might, agility and technical accuracy never before seen in modern warfare. President Clinton oversaw this military advancement. While the Afghan and Iraqi wars displayed the Reagan hardware of F-16 fighter jets, Abrams tanks, and Bradley vehicles, it was Clinton’s hi-tech toys that were the real stars.
“’…unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs), missile defense systems, satellite-guided weapons, and improved rapid-targeting and radar technology, were all chiefly developed during the Clinton years.’ — ‘Clinton’s Strong Defense Legacy’ by Michael O’Hanlon
“During the Afghanistan war, when terrorist and the Taliban were being routed, it was the Predator UAV that was used to monitor key targets. (It) began as an experimental program in 1994. …
“Included in this hi-tech advancement, taking the United States’ defense where no other nation on earth could go, was the Patriot Advanced Capability-3 (PAC-3) missile defense system … during the Iraq war … at least 50% of the ballistic missiles were intercepted. The PAC-3 took the place of the Patriot system that failed so miserably during Desert Storm in 1991. Also developed during the Clinton years were the JSTARS radar-imaging aircraft and the Javelin antitank missile, both successes.
“But one of the most important additions of Clinton’s defense legacy was the extension of the Global Positioning System (GPS) technology. The Tomahawk cruise missile was initially guided by what is called a ‘terrain-matching navigation system.’ When GPS technology was added to these cruise missiles, their accuracy increased exponentially.
“Then there was the JDAM, also known as Joint Direct Attack Munition that was used extensively in Operation Enduring Freedom, which was advance engineered in 1995. By 2003, ’90 percent of the U.S. military’s tactical aircraft were capable of precision strikes, compared with just 10% during Operation Desert Storm,’ (in 1991). During the Iraq war … 75% of all ordinance dropped was precision guided.
“Another advance seen in the Clinton years was something called ‘rapid targeting,’ which basically means that we can select targets in hours and hit them, instead of having to wait days to get everything lined up and on site. …
“We bought dozens of C-17 transport aircraft, enabling the U.S. to be … more mobile and effective; bought over 12 medium-speed roll-on/roll-off (LMSR) ships, which doubled the number of our fast sealift capacity. The Clinton defense team also added over 50% more ‘pre-stationed military equipment’ to the Persian Gulf and the Korean peninsula, keeping us on the ready in … the most dangerous hot spots on earth.
“Then there is what U.S. Army Chief of Staff Eric Shinseki accomplished. … It was under General Shinseki that the U.S. Army began … becoming a ‘lighter, more deployable’ force. One was called the ‘Stryker brigades’ and the other is a work in development that is known as the ‘objective force,’ which is set for deployment in 2010. The concept behind both units … put(s) together smaller groups of soldiers with multiple arms capabilities that can move quickly on breaking intelligence. This is diametrically opposed to the ‘old Army,’ which relied on large vehicles, slow deployment, and plodding patience in battle.
“All of these technological breakthroughs say nothing, however, if they have not been put to the test and proved worthy in wartime. After the tragedy and humiliations of Somalia and Haiti, President Clinton’s military had stunning victories that technological investments and developments made possible. …
“Under President Clinton … food stamp soldiers decreased by 25% (compared to) President George H.W. Bush, and retirement compensation increased from the reductions of the Reagan era. And regardless of the public’s … harsh judgments, Clinton dispatched his defense team to work long and hard to make America the best equipped, most technologically adept fighting force on earth.
“The Bush administration (fought) two important wars using equipment and technology that was funded and advanced during President Bill Clinton’s watch, both in unprecedented speed.
“Still, when Bush arrived, the military was said to breathe a sigh of relief, because, finally, the … military would be respected once again. However, that’s proved not to be the case at all. Secretary Donald Rumsfeld has (led the military) to new morale problems that run deeper and wider … according to retired military speaking on and off the record, Secretary Rumsfeld’s Pentagon is downright disrespectful of the military.
“Under-secretary of defense for policy Douglas Feith describes the process to come as follows: ‘everything is going to move everywhere… There is not going to be a place in the world where it’s going to be the same as it used to be’ (Source: Foreign Affairs, ‘New Battle Stations,’ by Kurt M. Campbell). Military men and women are understandably nervous, because Rumsfeld is … keeping them out of the loop.
“The other factor causing military morale to plummet is President Bush’s preemptive war in Iraq, which has been followed by a post-war period of no planning that has placed our soldiers in harm’s way without hope.
“Yet another factor causing military morale to sink to new lows, is that while touting to be pro-military, the Bush administration has led unprecedented attacks on the military. Soldiers’ benefits, veterans’ benefits, rehabilitation and medical entitlements have all been cut, while the Bush administration simultaneously tried to gut ‘imminent danger’ pay to soldiers and families, and held up critical combat gear and other equipment, as tours of duty are extended with little relief in sight. Stars and Stripes newspaper recently reported that over 49% of those polled did not plan to re-enlist, while 31% said the Iraqi war had little or no value, and 34% said morale was ‘low’ or ‘very low,’ with only 27% saying morale was ‘high.’ The presidency of George W. Bush has proven the difference between Republican image vs. reality.
“President Clinton may never be known as the military’s favorite president. And his foreign policy will continue to be debated and assessed. But one thing is clear. If the Clinton administration had truly been ineffective in defense, or in allocating and dispensing money for the military, we wouldn’t have won so many critically important battles, which include Bosnia, Kosovo, Afghanistan (in 11 weeks) and (the invasion of) Iraq (26 days). President Clinton has a strong military legacy on which to stand proud, and he has the battles victorious to prove it.
“Americans can trust that Democrats are righteously on the side of right and might when it comes to the issues of national defense, the military, as well as diplomacy (something President Bush cannot claim). Our job is to make sure that all of our presidents and national leaders can stand on the same line with F.D.R., Harry S. Truman, President John F. Kennedy, and, yes, President William Jefferson Clinton, too.”
(Quoted from a 2003 column by Taylor Marsh pursuant to the Fair Use doctrine; for complete article and/or copyright info see http://tinyurl.com/nxw4g)
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“Iraq owes America 1 trillion dollars worth of sweet crude for getting rid of the raghead POS Saddam. Payable now!!!!” Commentby Doctor JCH Kennedy— 8/25/06@ 10:41 pm
Why aren’t you over there collecting that debt for us? Is your ass too fat to fit into an F-16 cockpit anymore? Oh, that’s right — you’re a flight school WASHOUT and spent your Navy career cleaning latrines.
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So what do you want from me, Richard? I’ve already endorsed you. LaSalata threatened to throw small claims litigants into jail — before they said anything! I don’t want him in the bench. I rate you as “adequate” — which in your race, is enough, given your two opponents.
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“Commentby Roger Rabbit [No invasion………Only “Alpha Strikes” on the Iranian’s nukes, but, if the ragheads do something stupid, an Ohio class sub will start and end the problem on the same day!!!]” Commentby Doctor JCH Kennedy— 8/25/06@ 10:56 pm
You would blow up your entire miserable little town if a foreign invader took it over and stationed armed troops on every corner? Hmmm, let me think about that for a minute. Hmmm … yeah, there might be some merit to that idea, if you’re home at the time …
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Mac, at least, has the capacity to graciously concede an argument when presented with persuasive logic — which is more than I can say for all the rest of the trolls put together.
On that note, I think I’ll hop up the hill to Keystone Place and check out what came up in Stefan’s garden overnight — and, of course, defecate on his lawn. Later, troll traitors — I’ll see you when I see you, unless they hang you first!
So Pope-A-Dope, is it your position as a judicial candidate that the special treatment Mikey got on his DUI is somehow justified by the fact that pro basketball players get special treatment too? I am going to make sure your opponent sees this thread.
Wall Street maven James Cramer has a column in the current New York magazine that puts the prospects of a Democratic win in November in clear perspective. Our resident trolls may find something to screech about in his observations, but I think his real attitude is summed up in his opening paragraph:
We’ve had a government of, by, and for the corporations for so long that most people have forgotten that political risk used to be a reason to sell stocks. We’ve gotten so complacent about the Feds’ doing everything to support the rights of corporations to make as much money as possible with the lowest taxes in years that Wall Street could be in for the shock of a lifetime come fall, when—oh, heavens—the Democrats could take control of Congress. Given the fiasco that is our foreign policy, it could happen.
So, put on your thinking cap, Jughead, because, as Cramer warns:
Wall Street will react violently, because if Congress goes, so goes the White House. How serious is the threat? I’ve scaled back my exposure to all of these areas. These sectors are simply way too dicey even if the chatter grows that the Democrats could do well come November. You should act now before the delicious free ride of corporate hegemony ends, and the Democrats, once again, decide you’ve made too much money in the stock market.
Because you have
This is the only thing I have heard that I like about McGavick — I don’t want a Senator (or a blogger) who whines they would be vomiting in a toilet after consuming eight beers in a day.
You wingnuts really can’t read, can you.
Better go back and look, Jackoff, no such statement was made.
246., continued.
But, to assert that driving with a BAC of .17 is a trait that you find admirable, that’s just too stupid for consideration.
Go back to the porn sites and the meth. Your brain is fried.
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Get a load of that rabbit and his funnybone! ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Coulter needs to get a sense of humor ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Commentby Roger Rabbit— 8/25/06@ 3:57 pm
LAUGHING at you OWN pathetic attempts of humor? Furball is losing it.
“Get serious, Lib! Taxpayer-gouging is a bipartisan sport and you know it. It’s standard practice for pols to hold popular programs like parks, libraries, and police and fire protection hsotage. We pay for gold-plated pork first, and if we want basic services, we have to ante up extra. Politicians of all parties have been doing it forever. Commentby Roger Rabbit— 8/25/06@ 3:48 pm
I thought it was only Furball and the Furballettes as the ones screaming over the lost revenues of I-695 and the son of I-695? Need we all remember Robert King of Pork Byrd? Or is it Where’s the Pork, We can’t bring home the bacon Twins: Maria CantVoteWell and Patty I’m the Dumbest Senator Ever Murray?
Mike! has my vote because WVA sets more pork per capita than WA! We have ignoramouses in the Congress.
This sounds right. My first reaction (above) was probably incorrect. I did some poking around, and, while I didn’t find anything definitive, it looks like Maryland’s limit was .10 and it had not yet adopted the more “zero-tolerance” approach found in most states (including WA) today. In Maryland at the time, it appears that what mattered most was whether or not it was a first-offense. Commentby Another TJ— 8/25/06@ 5:15 pm
You are so right. The moonbats were in control of MD back then and many of them lived in MD while in control of Congress. Why would they want to be caught DUI or DWI?
I GUESS WE JUST DISCOVERED THAT THE KRYPTONITE FOR ANN COULTER, IS REASON. ROFLMAO!!!! We here at HA have known that for years. It works with the WingNuts who frequent this blog. Carl Grossman
Liberal, Democrat, Keith Olbermann fan Commentby My Left Foot— 8/25/06@ 5:50 pm
REASON? Carl, you wouldn’t know reason if your Right Foot came backwards and tried to kick REASON in yer ASS!
AMAZING! In Maryland, you can have one DUI every 5 years and not even really get punished for it. It won’t even show up on your DRIVING RECORD! RPope
Look at whom runs the state houses RPope? Last I check it was moonbats! That is ‘Nuff Said, right Carl? Stealing from Puddy?
Carl Grossman: If an original thought appeared, it would bound off your granite head due to it’s imperviousness!
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Cramer is a lightweight. His emanations should be read as entertainment, not investment advice, because he is an entertainer and nothing more. For example, Cramer writes:
“We’ve got plenty of companies in this country that have been burning coal without worry about the environment. We’re the second largest coal producer in the world (after China), so that makes sense. Unless you are an environmentalist. In that case, you want to make coal burn cleanly, which is for the most part a totally uneconomic proposition. … The only alternative to oil that will be spared will be ethanol … because you can’t win the Iowa caucuses without backing that ultraexpensive fuel.”
Clean coal “uneconomic”? Ethanol “ultraexpensive”? Yeah, I suppose so, if you’re looking at the production cost (as opposed to market price) of Saudi oil (which costs about $2.50 bbl. to produce, at the wellhead). For Cramer’s ramblings to make any sense, you have to overlook the fact that oil sells on the market for $75 bbl., not counting what it costs to maintain the military forces necessary to safeguard its production and transportation.
Hell, for $75 bbl, you could make cheaper fuel out of used rubber bands.
probably cleaner too
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In this morning’s blather news, Mike Webb Sucks Farts apparently wants us to believe Democrats are the only pork-rollers in Congress, while Repukes would never do such a thing …
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… whatever … I guess that’s what passes as wingnut humor these days.
Too bad the asshole wouldn’t even given me credit for acknowledging that Democrats do it, too.
Speaking of wrapping stuff in gold-plated pork, Cramer also writes:
“We’ve had a gigantic wealth transfer from you to the drug companies, in the form of Medicare Part D, the government’s plan to distribute drugs to seniors. It’s a huge giveaway because the Republicans insisted that even though the U.S. government is the biggest buyer of drugs, the Feds can’t use their obvious clout to bargain prices down for pharmaceuticals. The Feds pay a fortune to the drug companies that they don’t have to.
“How fast will that go away? The Democrats will insist on screwing Big Pharma by pitting drug companies with similar drugs against each other and insisting their profit margins come down. If a company doesn’t want to cut its prices, the government will simply give the business to another — after all, there are only a handful of top-selling patented drugs without competition. That’s how it works in most developed countries in the world, and that’s how it will work in ours if the Dems take over.”
Yeah, competition is hell, isn’t it?
(For the record, it seems to me that Cramer obviously is writing tongue-in-cheek. But this will fly over the heads of the uneducated trolls whose literary sophistication is limited to interpreting comic books.)
BTW, I’ve been following pharma stocks since before Bush came into office, because they seemed kind of obvious as a growth vehicle. But I’ve been reluctant to buy them. Why? Because they don’t go up. Oh yes, they’re making tons of money, but the shareholders aren’t getting any of it. Where’s it going? Into the pockets of the top execs. You know — the Republican business model — we get all the profits, and you (i.e., shareholders) put up all the capital and take all the risks.
And then there’s those pesky trial lawyers. You know, the guys who sue drug companies when they deliberately sell defective products that kill people, because they know the profits will exceed the costs of settling the inevitable lawsuits. Obviously, if there’s a criticism of trial lawyers here, it’s that they’re getting enough money out of these pharmaceutical vultures to deter such conduct.
I’ve bought only 1 drug stock in the last 5 years, and I’ve lost money on it. Yes, that company is making tons of money. Yes, its CEO makes over $100 million a year. Yes, its shareholders are getting fucked. So, I may as well vote Democrat in November, Mr. Cramer, because I (and other shareholders) can’t possibly get fucked any worse than we already are.
Meanwhile, I’ve instructed my veterinarian to prescribe no medications for me that have been approved by the FDA since Clinton left office. I simply don’t trust Bush’s FDA. Like every other federal agency, it’s been politicized. Like everything else Republicans do, its function is now to maximize corporate profits, not protect consumers. The purpose of our 100-year-old pure food and drug laws was to protect the public from dangerous products. The GOP has completely stood that on its head; the FDA’s mission is now to approve potentially profitable drugs as fast as possible, while suppressing any research or dissemination of information that might adversely impact sales. That’s Prong 1; Prong 2 of the GOP strategy is to outlaw defective product lawsuits, which eat into the funds available for CEO bonuses. Prong 3 is to eviscerate the SEC, so those whiny shareholders will just shut up.
If the Democrats win in November, Prong 2 goes away immediately; and if the Democrats win the White House in 2008, Prongs 1 and 3 will go away, too. Then we may find ourselves back in the good ol’ days when it was possible to survive taking a prescription medication, and investors in drug stocks saw their shares go up, even on competitively priced products (that actually work).
erratum
“Obviously, if there’s a criticism of trial lawyers here, it’s that they’re getting enough money out of these pharmaceutical vultures to deter such conduct” should read:
“they’re not getting enough money out of these pharmaceutical vultures to deter such conduct.”
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“REASON? Carl, you wouldn’t know reason if your Right Foot came backwards and tried to kick REASON in yer ASS!” Commentby Mike Webb Sucks— 8/26/06@ 8:18 am
This is sooooo … well … wingnutty. No analysis. No facts with supporting argument. Just an offer to kick somebody’s ass … and, as always, Mike Webb Sucks Farts doesn’t even have the guts to attempt the ass-kicking himself; instead, he wants to assign this task to Left Foot’s right foot.
See what I mean about wingnuts? They’re lazy, and they’re cowards, and they lack initiative, and above all THEY DO NO WORK. They’re not what Redneck calls “producers.” They’re merely blatherers. They love to talk about kicking asses, but they know nothing about ass-kicking, except from the vicarious experience of reading Superman or Batman comix.
Bleeeeh.
But then, nature didn’t endow Mike Webb Sucks Farts with hind feet that comprise 40% of his body weight, either.
Read Robert Jamison’s take on McGavick’s admission in today’s Seattle P-I
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/.....ert26.html
Honesty remains the best policy.
Perhaps Ted Kennedy will be honest about his night of horror at Chappaquidick where he murdered that young woman.
Not to mention that mine came with claws that make box cutters look like children’s toys. http://tinyurl.com/njv8z
Never ever pick up a rabbit by his ears! This is the proper way to hold a rabbit (demonstrated by Darcy Burner): http://tinyurl.com/opkdy
Faced with a growing jail population of illegal immigrants, Gaston County Sheriff Alan Cloninger announced Friday that his department will join a federal program that allows local law enforcement officers to screen for illegal immigrants and place them in deportation proceedings. The Gaston County Sheriff’s Office will become the eighth law enforcement agency in the country to join the program. [………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………Deport them BEFORE NOV 06??? You can bet Democrats Jesse and Al have something to say about this!!! These are illegal Democrat voters that can be counted on for thousands of Democrat votes in NOV!!!]
That’s what lower taxes buys – less government, less protection, less civilization, less of everything. Clinton put 100,000 more cops on the streets. Bush took them off the streets. Commentby Roger Rabbit— 8/26/06@ 12:17 am
Furball: Visit http://www.whatreallyhappened....../LIES.html
100,000 Cops
“The president has formed an alliance with the law enforcement officers around this country and experts in fighting crime, passed legislation, over the opposition of Senator Dole and Speaker Gingrich, that is now putting 100,000 extra community police officers on the streets.” –Al Gore, ABC’s “This Week with David Brinkley,” 8/25/96
Wrong again!
“What I am advised is that there are 17,000 officers that can be identified as being on the streets.” –Attorney General Janet Reno, media availability, 5/16/96
Worse, not all of these cops are fighting crime:
“At least $7.2 million in COPS grants has been used to hire 86 officers for state parks, marinas and other areas seemingly far removed from violent crime.” –Investor’s Business Daily, 7/16/96
So Jamieson’s criterion for electing people to represent us in the U.S. Senate is they admit their DUIs before getting caught by the (napping) media?
I have a better idea, how about electing people who don’t drive drunk in the first place. (And don’t steal $28 million from the shareholders they have a fiduciary responsibility to.)
Jamieson also drags out the hoary old wingnut attack on Gregoire’s membership in a sorority with tainted racial policies. The problem here is there’s no evidence that Gregoire herself ever said or did anything racist — this is just the dirty old conservative guilt-by-association lie.
Liberals, on the other hand, are not accusing McGavick of being a passenger in a car driven by a drunk. Or of having drunk drivers in his fraternity. Etc. ad nauseum. No, the difference here is that McGavick was driving drunk, whereas Gregoire possibly had some racist sorority sisters. Hey, I’ve got some black sheep relatives too. Fortunately, they’re several species removed from mine, not even kissing cousins, you might say.
Jamieson, apparently, is an ass.
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(For the record, it seems to me that Cramer obviously is writing tongue-in-cheek. But this will fly over the heads of the uneducated trolls whose literary sophistication is limited to interpreting comic books.)
Well, of course the wingnuts won’t get it. They will think it terrible that there is even the prospect of bringing big bidness to heal.
As for coal, the coal and gas industry and electrical producers have been bleating about the costs of environmental controls for over thirty years, so I think the conclusion that a majority of stock investors will draw will be that these stocks are losers and bail. Reality doesn’t influence market trends as much a perception. Oil a $30 bbl doesn’t make clean air regs onerous for the coal industry, their greed is the culprit.
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Also, oil and gas fired plants are no enviro miracle, either. They all need to be cleaned up.
Perhaps Laura Bush should come clean about killing a guy?
The wingnut obsession with him always ignores the political cost of Ted Kennedy’s alcoholism. That isn’t an attempt by me to excuse him or suggest that he shouldn’t have paid a price, but to caution that followers of politician should consider the cost to them.
Ted’s excesses have had a big impact on liberalism in general, not just because he took himself out of consideration for president, but because he made himself radioactive as an ally to other Democrats. Worse still, he continued to carry on a destructive lifestyle, as proven when he was involved in the high jinks with his son and nephew in Florida. His national political ambitions were completely dashed by then, but good behavior could have made it possible for him to regain statues as an influential liberal nationally.
When backing a candidate, one should be careful to consider whether a past fault has really been dealt with. It isn’t only the office they are seeking that may be lost, it may have consequences for an entire movement. Kennedy is a great speaker, fund raiser, and standard-bearer for what’s left of the New Deal, but his poor example have greatly lessened his usefulness to promote the cause outside of Massachusetts.
Someone driving with a BAC of .17 has shown some piss poor judgment. Is the absence of later violations an indication of reform, or is it due to good damage control? It appears to me that GWB isn’t as dry as his campaign claims, and rumors abound that pill and booze flow through him. Whether he’s a dry drunk or a wet one, his record of causing death should be cautionary to those who grin over Ted’s faults.
MWS at 261:
Reason as defined by dictionary.com:
rea‧son  /ˈrizÉ™n/ Pronunciation Key – Show Spelled Pronunciation[ree-zuhn] Pronunciation Key – Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun 1. a basis or cause, as for some belief, action, fact, event, etc.: the reason for declaring war.
2. a statement presented in justification or explanation of a belief or action.
3. the mental powers concerned with forming conclusions, judgments, or inferences.
4. sound judgment; good sense.
5. normal or sound powers of mind; sanity.
6. Logic. a premise of an argument.
7. Philosophy. a. the faculty or power of acquiring intellectual knowledge, either by direct understanding of first principles or by argument.
b. the power of intelligent and dispassionate thought, or of conduct influenced by such thought.
c. Kantianism. the faculty by which the ideas of pure reason are created.
–verb (used without object) 8. to think or argue in a logical manner.
9. to form conclusions, judgments, or inferences from facts or premises.
10. to urge reasons which should determine belief or action.
–verb (used with object) 11. to think through logically, as a problem (often fol. by out).
12. to conclude or infer.
13. to convince, persuade, etc., by reasoning.
14. to support with reasons.
—Idioms
You are the one without the ability to reason. Even your name proves that you lack the ability to reason that all of are equal, not less than based on sexual orientation. Don’t deny that your name is a slap at the gay population. You have proven your inability to reason for months on this board.
Please continue to expose the views of the RightWingNuts for what they are, foolish and self serving.
Carl Grossman
Liberal, Democrat and Proud
My post above should reference 251, not 261 where Roger Rabbit takes MWS to task.
Thank you, Bunny.
Carl
Tuttle,
You are a complete moron. “Wingnut”? Get a fucking life…you dork.
Here is the quote “But 8 or 9 drinks? Since college, I don’t think I’ve had that much to drink in an entire day, and if I’d downed them in a single hour, my dorm mates would have found me face down, head in a toilet. (Okay… they did.)”
I find someone who can’t 8 beers without vomiting to be an ass. Not unlike yourself.
Commentby Jacko— 8/26/06@ 7:57 am
You wingnuts really can’t read, can you.
Better go back and look, Jackoff, no such statement was made.
Commentby Harry Tuttle— 8/26/06@ 8:02 am
246., continued.
But, to assert that driving with a BAC of .17 is a trait that you find admirable, that’s just too stupid for consideration.
Go back to the porn sites and the meth. Your brain is fried.
Commentby Harry Tuttle— 8/26/06@ 8:06 am
275,
You can’t even read your own stuff and get it right:
who whines they would be vomiting in a toilet after consuming eight beers in a day.
That’s not what Goldy said, you creep. Give it up, there’s no socially, morally or polically acceptable rationale for cheering on drunk driving. You were attemting to pump up the manliness of Mike! by demeaning a statement that was not made.
If you have experience drinking a beer every 7 to 8 minutes, you are a fool. If you think everyone should, you are an idiot.
Explanation of comedy for brain dead Jackoff.
But 8 or 9 drinks? Since college, I don’t think I’ve had that much to drink in an entire day,
The setup is that Goldy asserts he has no experience with the volume of alcohol in question.
and if I’d downed them in a single hour, my dorm mates would have found me face down, head in a toilet.
He proposes that if he did drink that volume, he’d be sick.
(Okay… they did.)
The punchline is that it happened. The joke is operative only if his first assertion was a lie. Therefore, he has consumed that volume, and the punchline turns the joke on him, that is he drank it in an hour.
You know Jackoff, I don’t really think you are so dumb as to not understand the joke. The reason you are an idiot is that it’s kids in the 8th grade who try to make a point this way, not adults.
Of course, 13 or 14 is probably how old you are.
Hey Richard Pope,
everything you have to say about trial procedure in 219 seems great except for one thing.
How would you accomplish all that and still handle the case load? Is there enough room on the court calendar for all the proceedings you’d like to see? Do we need to expand the court? Wouldn’t that require tax increases?
Dear Muuuuuuuuuslim Terrorists, I offer Dave Goldenstein and Carl Grossmanstein as hostages in return for the two FOX News guys. Both are commie lib pussies, and you can kill them if you wish. Please video tape the beheading of Carl, and forward me the “YOU TUBE”!!! I’ll send you the ten bucks. Best regards, Doctor JCH Kennedy
It’s always interesting how the other side lives. I’m curious how you lefties think McGavick should have disclosed his arrest for DUI? Or should he have just kept quiet? There was no way this was going to come out, but for his admission. Hundreds if not thousands of people in this State get similar breaks every year. They’re not liars or cheats, but they are democrats and republicans. If anything, McGavick should be credited with full disclosure. I’d like to hear one of the MSM from this town ask Cantwell what her life’s biggest mistakes are. My guess is that there would be a hard gulp and no comment.
See what I mean about wingnuts? They’re lazy, and they’re cowards, and they lack initiative, and above all THEY DO NO WORK. They’re not what Redneck calls “producers.” They’re merely blatherers. They love to talk about kicking asses, but they know nothing about ass-kicking, except from the vicarious experience of reading Superman or Batman comix. Bleeeeh. Commentby Roger Rabbit— 8/26/06@ 9:07 am
Furball and his furballettes: I work, pay taxes. You do what again? Retired and wasting space?
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“I’m curious how you lefties think McGavick should have disclosed his arrest for DUI?”
How do you manage to be so dense? Does the GOP give you density training? McGavick shouldn’t have been driving drunk in the first place; but having gotten a DUI, he shouldn’t be running for public office.
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“Furball and his furballettes: I work, pay taxes.”
I can’t respond to that except to say I’ve seen no evidence that you either work or pay taxes. However, by your own admission, you hire out your ass-kicking. You tried to hire Left Foot’s right foot to kick Left Foot’s ass, instead of doing the job yourself. That doesn’t say much for your confidence in your ass-kicking skills.
“You do what again? Retired …”
Yes, retired. I worked over 40 years — what’sa matter, 40 years of working, paying into the system, and producing not enough for ya? Fucking Republican slavedriver …
” … and wasting space?”
Absolutely not! I’m devoting my retirement to fighting for truth, justice, and the American Way against unpatriotic fascist trollfucks like you. That’s crucial work. It’s God’s work. The real God, that is, not the fake god that pseudo-religious fake christians pretend to worship.
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As a general rule, Republicans don’t work. Most of them prefer to supervise the people who do work. This means they stand around with their fingers up their noses and their thumbs up their asses all day, harassing the employees. The whole point of being a Republican is to get out of working, and to live off other people’s work.
“…but having gotten a DUI, he shouldn’t be running for public office.”
I agree with the first part of this sentence (he shouldn’t be driving) but the last…I almost fell out of my chair! A non-conviction for a stupid mistake is a disqualifer for public office in your book? Good grief, you’d better get out that big bucket of black paint and start working on your kettel. If you Ds hadn’t set the bar so goddamned low with your Kennedys (all of them), Clintons (both of them) and McKinney (just herself) I might, just might agree with you. But with lefist journalists, moral relativity and, the rest of the Democratic bunch, this nation is now in the mud. So for a buck-toothed cartoon furball (such an appropriate symbol for your lot) to suggest that this DQs a man from public office is staggering. I guess I shouldn’t be surprised, given the source.
You worked Furball? You worked Furball? A gov’mint hack lawyer?
You’re not too funny.
I semi-like the Sucks Farts. I know you can do better Furball. Why not consult the Furballettes. It shows you are thinking, albeit small thoughts!
Furball wrote: “However, by your own admission, you hire out your ass-kicking.”
Really?
So Furball you said Clinton hired 100K cops. When the facts arrived you skipped “hopped” on. What happened Furball? Facts got our teeny weeny Furball brain?
I thought The Maria Moonbats were being nice? http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/.....ick25.html
“The Cantwell campaign then, however, alerted the state Democratic Party about the P-I query. Party spokesman Kelly Steele telephoned to say, “From privatizing Social Security to drunk driving, it becomes clearer every day that Mike McGavick and George Bush are cut from the same cloth.””
So much for Moonbat non-negative campaigning.
So let me get this straight. McGavick putting himself and others at higher risk by driving while intoxicated 13 years ago is newsworthy, but Darcy Burner actually causing a 4 car pileup on June 15, 2005 is not newsworthy? And she doesn’t even need alcohol to make her cause accidents.
Tuttle,
Who is creepy? You appear to live on this site judging from your immediate (and emphatic) response; go outside and enjoy the weather and have a beer! It’s ok to turn off your computer…
:)
Teddy, Maryland had deferred prosecution for all first time DWI offenders with no other record, it had nothing to do with McGavick getting special treatment.
Big fucking deal. It was like ten years ago anyway. Who gives a shit? Just goes to show that whiney liberals will exploit even the tiniest of faults way in the past. Typical. At least Mike had the testicular virility to admit it, unlike Democrats who run around whining and flailing their arms in the air wearing halos that can do no wrong.
A good friend and my wife’s professional colleague related a 4-yr. old story about “Malt Liquour Mike†to me last night. Seems he approached her at a charity fundraiser, asked her to dance. Recovering from recent hip replacement surgery, she demurred. He didn’t buy it, and asked to see the scars. She parried, then he lifted the hem of her dress past her hips, in the middle of the lobby. And, yes, he was totally smashed.