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Martin Selig is a pig

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Seattle Developer Martin Selig is a selfish pig, and I wouldn’t rent or buy property from him if my life depended on it. I hope other progressive minded individuals, corporations and organizations have a similar attitude, and take their business to people who aren’t as intent on undermining the ability of our state to educate our children. Selig has just spent $630,000 to hire people to lie to voters, and he should be ashamed of himself.

Oh… and a brief question for Seattle Times publisher Frank Blethen: why is that in all of your paper’s coverage of the estate tax and the initiative to repeal it, you never once bothered to report that the signature gatherers were selling it with out and out lies? That is the role of the media in our democracy, isn’t it? To refute lies?

Or, like Selig, does it not bother you that the public believes these lies if it suits your agenda?

Just curious.

Comments

  1. 1

    It appears that the same greedy assholes that want to repeal the estate tax also want I-933 to go through.

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    Damn! I’m not in a position to be able to go out and do what Wilg(?) is doing. But, where are the young dems in this state. What a common sense way of fighting this. So, where are they? Goldy, you’ve got strings. . . make some calls. Get some young dems out there with signs of their own. Get the talk started on the street.

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    LAWYER WHO WON DETAINEE CASE TO LOSE NAVY CAREER

    “Gitmo win likely cost Navy lawyer his career
    “‘Fearless’ defense of detainee a stinging loss for Bush

    “By PAUL SHUKOVSKY
    “P-I REPORTER

    “Saturday, July 1, 2006

    “Lt. Cmdr. Charles Swift — the Navy lawyer who beat the president of the United States in a pivotal Supreme Court battle over trying alleged terrorists — figures he’ll probably have to find a new job. …

    “Despite his spectacular success … Swift thinks his military career is coming to an end. The 44-year-old Judge Advocate General officer … was passed over for promotion last year as the high-profile case was making headlines around the world.

    “‘I may be one of the most influential lawyers in America … but I won’t be in the military much longer … the die was cast some months ago,” he said. “The decision has been made.'”

    For complete story and copyright info, see http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/.....ift01.html

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    SEATTLE LAWYERS INVOLVED IN DETAINEE CASE

    Swift is a graduate of Seattle University Law School, and was assisted in the case by the Seattle law firm of Perkins Coie, which represented the Democrats in Rossi’s failed election contest lawsuit.

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    It’s people like this who make me feel proud to be a lawyer!!! :D :D :D

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    Goldy we need to start boycotting all the righties here in Western Washington. We far outnumber them. If we don’t do business with them, it will hurt financially. I regularly write letters to KVI sponsors and let them know I will never do business with them. If we could get all progressives to make such pleas, then we wold rid ourselves of the traitors because they’d either shut the fuck up and take our money or leave.

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    Until now, Selig has been mostly famous as a property tax scofflaw utility bill deadbeat. At times, he’s owed Seattle City Light over $1 million. And he is the reason why the legislature raised the statutory interest rate on late property tax payments to 12%. Back in the days when market returns were higher than the interest on overdue property taxes, Selig would be years behind in his tax payments. What a jerk.

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    Unfortunately the commission system of paying signature gatherers motivates them to lie. When their income depends on getting people to sign petitions, they’ll say anything. We need a law requiring initiative signature gatherers to be either unpaid volunteers or paid by the hour, with signature quotas prohibited.

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    Wabbit, did you read the part of the article where it says he really isn’t qualified for a promotion? I suppose he should get one anyway because he is a celebrity in liberal circles?

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    Selig a pig? Not new news, but certainly fun to talk about

    the guy is famous in the public and private arenas as quite a jerk

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    ps, goldy, i don’t think he’s a conservative or even your favorite tag “neocon”. I’ll bet he votes lefty for social issues, but will vote/pay any which way for money issues.

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    “Wabbit, did you read the part of the article where it says he really isn’t qualified for a promotion?” Commentby Michael— 7/1/06@ 6:26 pm

    No, I can’t find that in the article — could you quote it for me? What I saw is that his superiors gave him consistently high marks. There was something about him having more litigation experience than most JAG officers, which would seem to make him overqualified, not underqualified.

    Well, not to worry. If the Navy boots him, he’ll just have to settle for private practice and a 10,000% pay raise.

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    Selig is for whatever puts the most money in his pocket, and is against anything that costs him a nickel. He’s the ultimate

    F R E E L O A D E R

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    10,000 EPA SCIENTISTS PROTEST LIBRARY CLOSURES

    “Loss of Access to Collections Will Hamper Emergency Response and Research

    “Washington, DC — In an extraordinary letter of protest, representatives for 10,000 U.S. Environmental Protection Agency scientists are asking Congress to stop the Bush administration from closing the agency’s network of technical research libraries.

    “The EPA scientists, representing more than half of the total agency workforce, contend thousands of scientific studies are being put out of reach, hindering emergency preparedness, anti-pollution enforcement and long-term research, according to the letter released today by Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility (PEER).

    “In his proposed budget for FY 2007, President Bush deleted $2 million of support for EPA’s libraries, amounting to 80% of the agency’s total budget for libraries. Without waiting for Congress to act, EPA has begun shuttering libraries, closing access to collections and reassigning staff. The letter notes that ‘EPA library services are [now] greatly reduced or no longer available to the general public’ in agency regional offices serving 19 states.

    …

    “The dogged insistence by the Bush administration on a $2 million cut in an overall EPA budget of nearly $8 billion is particularly curious. EPA internal studies show that providing full library access saves an estimated 214,000 hours in professional staff time worth some $7.5 million annually, an amount far larger than the total agency library budget of $2.5 million.

    “’The Bush administration apparently decided that it was politically easier to close the libraries than to burn the books, although the end result will be the same,’ Ruch added, noting that the EPA Administrator brushed aside an earlier request by the scientist unions to bargain about the library shutdowns internally.

    ” … (T)he EPA scientists cite library closures as ‘one more example of the Bush administration’s effort to suppress information on environmental and public health-related topics.’ …”

    For complete story, see http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/070106F.shtml

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    … And shame on all the bootlickers, sycophants, and apologists who voted for, support, and make excuses for that lying turd.

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    High marks isn’t all you need for a promotion. As with any other officer position in the military, you need a variety of positions before you can get promoted. Being a high ranking JAG officer requires experience other than in the courtroom.

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    Roger Rabbit and Hillary know how much you should own. You might have too many assets. Joe Stalin also knew how much people should have. [Democrats: communist terrorist parasites]

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    “Property rights are bad.” Signed, Dear Leader, Fidel Castro, Joe Stalin, Hillary Clinton, Robert Mugabe, Roger Rabbit, Green Thumb, Left Turn

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    Roger,

    You know that attorney is not being persecuted because he did his job brillantly……..

    He wasn’t promoted last year and his boss said that he is less qualified than others he is competing against.

    Why does the EPA need all of those libraries? They don’t need any libraries, they shouldn’t be in the library business – at all. They should close every library that they are operating.

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    RICHMOND, California — The ashes of executed Crips gang co-founder Stanley “Tookie” Williams were spread in a lake in South Africa in accordance with his will, a friend said. Barbara Becnel, who co-authored children’s books with Williams and witnessed his execution, said in a statement Friday that she and Williams’ longtime friend Shirley Neal sprinkled the ashes into the lake Sunday in Thokoza Park in the city of Soweto, as Williams had requested.

    [So … I assume the four people he murdered got their last wishes, too? Classic Democrat bull shit. “Tookie” the hero of liberal Democrats!! Remember, It was JCH Kennedy who coined the term “Tookie Williams” sex as a referral to homo Democrat anal “HIV positive” sex. All who use this term understand that to be “Tookied” is a Democrat homo right of passage.]

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    JCH or whatever the fuck your name is:

    Commentby jsa on commercial drive [JSA, I am one of the HorsesAss.ORG troll Kennedys. RUFUS, Mark The Redneck, Dan Rather, and Pud are the current members. As Kennedys, we do as we wish, and you dumb ass Democrats STFU and vote for us every election. Ironic? YES!! All can see the irony. We are making fun of the “Royal” Democrat Kennedys, who we consider scum. That is why we have added “Kennedy” to our names. NOW DO YOU GET IT?]

    Commentby REP Pat Kennedy [D-Bitchslap the Black Security Guard At LAX]— 7/1/06@ 8:51 pm

    62, cont……..Remember when Pat Kennedy “bitch slapped” the female black security guard at the LAX airport? Kind of like Cindi McKinney, but it happened a few years ago. That is why I’m REP Pat “Bitchslap” Kennedy, DEMOCRAT, RI. As a Kennedy, we get away with ANYTHING, and the dumb ass liberal Democrats vote for us in EVERY election. I hope this explanation helps. JCH Kennedy

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    Can some moonbat here make the moral case why you greedy fucking freeloaders should steal money from the estate of a deceased person? Who the fuck are you to take the money instead of the heirs?

    Greed. Covetousness. Selfishness. All base “ideals” of libruls.

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    MTR Kennedy and all my fellow Kennedys, I wish you a great 4th of July holiday. To all you commie lib “progressives”: Your holiday was “May Day”, celebrated by commies all over the world. Fuck you. JCH Kennedy

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    I plan to burn my second flag on the 4th of July – followed by the burning of a Bible and George Bush’s photo. Hope you right wing cowards don’t like it.

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    MTR-

    Tell me more about ideals. I know you support lies when they advance your cause. Tell me about ethics. Do they depend on the situation?

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    I remember when I became a Kennedy. It seemed just like yesterday:

    Hey I want to be a Kennedy too. Here it goes… hiccup…..
    Hey that was fun. Wait what is going on…. oh no
    Vomit…barf…spit….crash…..rape….murder….burn…
    cough….wheeze.
    Commentby RUFUS— 5/6/06@ 11:09 am

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    @34, and JCH often-

    One might think your problems with Kennedy’s might lead to support for the estate tax. Make them start over.

    But that assumes one might think….

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    K, The Kennedys, big supporters of the estate tax for others, have extensive family trusts set up to AVOID the estate taxes. Typical lib Democrats. See the irony?

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    Are you kidding. The estate tax is the best thing that ever happened to us Kennedys. We get to spend the whole family fortune on new and better Kennedy Libraries. If only we could get the income tax rate up that high.

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    But that assumes one might think….

    Commentby K— [K, typical Democrat dumb ass voting sheep. So who is it that cannot “think”??]

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    Martin Selig parks in no parking zones.
    And I dumped 150 feet of double strand computer terminal wire on top of his car because of that.

    Smile :)

    PS: He is a cheap slumlord.

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    This is a great trend. Martin is becoming another Tim Eyeman. Go Martin. hehe

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    This thread is particularly lovely. Very little sign of intelligent discussion. My work is done. Good night, all!

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    “You know that attorney is not being persecuted because he did his job brillantly … He wasn’t promoted last year and his boss said that he is less qualified than others he is competing against.”

    Mac, you and I have both been in the military, and neither of us is naive. We both know he was supposed to lose the case. But I give you credit for anticipating what the Noise Machine’s talking points will be.

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    “Can some moonbat here make the moral case why you greedy fucking freeloaders should steal money from the estate of a deceased person?” Commentby Mark The Redneck Kennedy— 7/1/06@ 9:31 pm

    For the same reason any sovereign throughout history could take your money, your land, your woman, or your life if he wanted to: The government has more guns than you do.

    I find it very interesting that you think the sovereign should be required to make a “moral case” for what it does, in light of the reality that sovereigns historically have done what they did because they felt like doing it, for no more complicated reason than they possessed the raw power to do it, without reference to any concept of “morality.”

    The irony is that the concept of superimposing moral restraint on sovereign prerogative is the foundational idea of what we call “liberal government.”

    Damn, Redneck, you better watch out or you’re gonna turn into one of us.

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    The only way that MTR becomes “one of us” is if he is waylayed by some tragedy that 1) awakens a sense of empathy for others, and 2) makes him depend on the social safety net. All of a sudden he will be wanting more, not fewer governmental services.

    Alas, his karma is such that by the time he needs those services he will have been so successful in undermining what’s left of a social safety net that his needs will not be adequately met. He will suffer unnecessarily.

    Then he will understand what we’ve been trying to say. And if he’s a real man, he will weep.

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    “Can some moonbat here make the moral case why you greedy fucking freeloaders should steal money from the estate of a deceased person? Who the fuck are you to take the money instead of the heirs?” Commentby Mark The Redneck Kennedy— 7/1/06@ 9:31 pm

    However, since you asked, I’ll answer your question directly.

    Here in the United States, the “sovereign” consists of a Republican White House, a Republican Congress, and a Republican Supreme Court. Republicans are in complete control of the tax collecting apparatus, and Democrats have no say in it. All the money you pay to the Republican is currently being stolen by Republicans to (a) pay for a war you wanted, (b) pay for corporate welfare you want, and (c) pay for the outright theft and corruption that you voted into place. So, if you have a problem with the sovereign stealing your money, you should talk to your Republican friends about it. I won’t. They’re your friends, not mine, and I don’t care if Republican thieves steal money from another Republican thief — more power to ’em.

    There’s no honor among thieves, you know. Human nature being what it is, thieves gleefully steal from each other when they get the chance. But you already knew that. Hey, you’re the one who chose to live by the credo of thieves, instead of by the coda of liberal government. So don’t come crying to me about the bad choices you made in life.

    Where was I? Oh yes, the moral case for taxing estates. First of all, the dead person doesn’t need the money anymore, and doesn’t give a shit what happens to it. When it passes to the heirs, it is “income” to the heirs. So why shouldn’t it be taxed? Why should free money that the heirs didn’t work for, may not deserve, and possibly will manage badly or even use for evil purposes, not be taxed the same as wages?

    Can you tell me, Redneck, what is so immoral about working that wages deserve to be taxed more heavily than unearned windfalls from inheritances or investment winnings? Is the labor of a man’s back, is the sweat of his brow, is the productive use of his hands, so inherently evil — is working so antisocial — that morality demands, nay compels, the imposition of a “sin tax” on wages … in order to discourage people from working?

    Well, that’s exactly what our tax system does, and you want to do more of it. The first $2 million of estates are exempt from taxation; but only the first $8,200 of wages are exempt from taxation (2005). Capital gains are taxed at less than half the rate that wages are taxed. The sovereign’s message to the people is clear: FUCK WORK!!! The government must not want anyone to work, because the tax code penalizes work and gives favorable tax treatment to those who live off the estates and labor of others.

    Apparently the ultimate goal of this policy is that NOBODY WILL DO ANY WORK. Why should they, when the government punishes work by imposing high taxes on it, and rewards sloth and freeloading by imposing NO TAXEs on SLOTHS and FREELOADERS?

    I’m sure that you, Redneck, with your four degrees and economic expertise, can see the wisdom of our government’s policy of discouraging and punishing work, and rewarding idlers and freeloaders. Clearly, the REPUBLICANS running our government have divined that there is no longer any need for production, that the nation’s net GDP should be zero, that we should all make our living by selling real estate and derivatives to each other, and that work is to be suppressed at all costs!

    Now I have a question for you: Can you explain why you motherfuckers concluded that work is immoral? Please explain the reasoning behind this conclusion. As your math teacher would say, “show your work.”

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    But, we can all hope that he gets the opportunity to find out! Couldn’t wish such a scenario on a more likely candidate!

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    And RPKKK, alas, I guess we won’t have the pleasure of a response to our request. You righties are so empty when it comes to substance! From now on you’re DODGE AND DUCK . . . QUACK, QUACK – to me.

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    Here in the United States, the “sovereign” consists of a Republican White House, a Republican Congress, and a Republican Supreme Court. Republicans are in complete control of the tax collecting apparatus, and Democrats have no say in it.

    That’s right rabbit… do you know why?

    THEY WERE ELECTED… THAT’S THE WAY IT WORKS

    I’d be willing to wager you didn’t whine about it the 40+ years the d’RATS were in control.

    and by the way, the Supreme Court isn’t conservative…yet.

    Look for GW to get another pick… maybe 2 if Ruth keeps falling asleep on the bench.

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    Roger, I don’t know how the Navy promotes, but the Army wouldn’t promote him, because of the lack of experience in other areas. I have seen some of the very best people in their speciality not promoted in the Army just because of a lack of a leadership position experience.

    The Army changed their NCO promotions a decade or so ago and if they don’t have a position open in your field, you won’t get promoted. If you haven’t been in a leadership position, a squad leader, a platoon sergeant and a first sergeant, you won’t get promoted to sergeant major. Senior officer promotions are very tough to get and if you haven’t served in a myriad of positions, you won’t get promoted.

    I can’t imagine anyone giving a legal case to an attorney and expecting him to lose and if he was told that, that person needs to be in jail. Attorney’s in the Army work in prosection and defense and all of them are trying to win. If defense attorney’s were persecuted for winning their cases, no-one would be in the JAG Corps.

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    The Democrats have the power to fillibuster in the US Senate, that’s more than the Republicans have here in Washington State……….

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    If the Republicans do not at present have the equivalent of the power to fillibuster in Washington state Legislature, that’s the result of their lurch to the far right. The simple fact of the matter is that you guys decided to embrace ideological purity instead of gaining a legislative majority by catering to the moderate middle.

    That was a conscious choice by the party leadership. Are you now second guessing that choice?

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    Or — dare I ask — is your theory that there should be NO taxes? And if so, does this imply there should be NO government? I might actually go for that idea, if it will get you killed or at least robbed by the gangs of brigands who will roam (and rule) the country if there’s no government.

    Let’s assume, for the sake of discussion, that you do support at least the amount of government necessary to create and protect property rights and safeguard the lives of its citizens — which is quite a lot of the government we pay for, most of it actually, when you look at the budget in detail.

    So how do you pay for it? If you oppose taxes of any kind, that leaves the government with two options for paying its expenses:

    Option A: Print money and flood the market with devalued currency. For illustration of how this approach works in practical application, click here: http://www.usagold.com/images/hyperinflation.jpeg

    Option B: Borrow money endlessly. Now Mark, you’re a smart guy — you must be, after all, you have four degrees — and you don’t need me to tell you what the weakness of this system is. But I’ll tell you anyway: If your lenders decide to stop lending you money, you’re fucked.

    Now, there IS a clever way to keep that from happening, which Donald Trump (among others) understands perfectly. The basic technique is to owe so much money your creditors can’t let you go bankrupt, because if you go down they’ll go down with you. It works quite well for a while. However, its basic flaw is that it’s a Ponzi scheme, and it eventually collapses no matter how desperate your creditors are to keep you afloat.

    The Christian Taliban has the answer for this problem, though — the Armageddon Scenario. The plan here is to die before insolvency overtakes you. These people are solid believers in nothing-down interest-only loans, no payments until July 2008, and they take out ARMS like crazy because they’re convinced they’ll all be dead within 24 months. One reason for this confidence is there determination that if it doesn’t happen by divine intervention, then they’ll do it themselves. All they need is to get a president elected who won’t be bashful about using those nuclear codes for their intended purpose, which is to get the Rapture here as soon as possible.

    So, Redneck, which of these no-taxation theories is your fave?

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    “I can’t imagine anyone giving a legal case to an attorney and expecting him to lose and if he was told that, that person needs to be in jail.”

    BINGO!!!

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    Green thumb,

    I would prefer to see a Democrats in charge of one and Republicans in charge of the other, both here and in the other Washington too!

    I don’t like extremes on either side, although I do have a few things I am highly conservative on.

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    Got a question for you, Mac: Should that also apply to

    (a) Politicians who tell intelligence analysts to revise their data and conclusions, and/or

    (b) Politicians who tell government scientists to revise their data and conclusions?

    The prison bus is already making regular stops at the White House and Capitol Hill, so the logistics won’t be difficult.

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    “I would prefer to see a Democrats in charge of one and Republicans in charge of the other, both here and in the other Washington too!’

    There’s a lot to be said for keeping politicians preoccupied with each other, so they don’t have time to get interested in us.

    You can do your part by voting Democrat in this fall’s congressional elections.

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    Roger,

    You are funny…… That is slightly different, in that you can use data and statistics to support almost anything you want by manipulating which elements of the data you use.

    Polls are the same thing. You can manipulate polls by changing the question and by changing the respondees……..

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    Don’t forget to vote for Cantwell, too. We don’t need another rubberstamp for war, torture, illegal wiretapping, corporate welfare, administrative malfeasance, and looting Social Security in the U.S. Senate. Too many there already.

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    Mac, the funny thing about data and statistics is this. You can manipulate them all you want to prove there’s no gravity, but if you jump off a cliff to prove it, you’ll still break your fucking neck! What I mean is, you can tell whether someone is bullshitting simply by looking at the results.

    For example, if somebody manipulates data to convince you “the war will be over in three weeks” and soldiers’ coffins are still coming home three years later, you know he’s a bullshitter.

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    You are right about that, the truth will come out…… it always does, unless it’s classified, then it’s not supposed to.

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    Well, as you know, I work the graveyard shift so it’s time for me to hop up the hill to Keystone Place and much on Stefan’s garden and leave a few presents on his lawn. ha ha ha ha ha

    (soft sounds of bunny feet plopping up and down on wet grass in background)

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    I saw a guy on a news show during coverage of the last election explain why the exit polls were so wrong after the 04 election.
    I think his name is Pat Caudill, he’s a democrat and an expert in polling and he gave some very good examples of why the polls were so wrong and he said they have been getting more and more off every election.

    Another good example is the polls about Terri Schiavo, where they told the person that she was on life support, and should her feeding tube be removed. The results were a resounding yes, when the people were told that she wasn’t on life support and should her feeding tube be removed, the answer was no.

    The prepartory information can and frequently does slant the answers.

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    One might think your problems with Kennedy’s might lead to support for the estate tax. Make them start over.

    But that assumes one might think….

    Commentby K— 7/1/06@ 10:59 pm

    K, The Kennedys, big supporters of the estate tax for others, have extensive family trusts set up to AVOID the estate taxes. Typical lib Democrats. See the irony?

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    MTR,

    Why do you care? First, I doubt you’re worth enough for the estate tax to kick in. Second, if you are (it’s not impossible), there are some excellent means of sheltering that money so that your heirs can have all they want.

    While the statutory threshold for the tax is 1,500,000, again, if you are sitting on your deathbed with that sort of cash lying around, you didn’t plan very well. Start by putting your house and assets into an LLC which your progeny have shares in. If the Reaper (or the taxman) is coming close, you can personally divest, and voilà!, your loved ones tax burden is no more.

    The inheritance tax is targeted at people who have a LOT more money than you do.

    Other than your usual juvenile “It’s mine, I made it, and I’ll do what I want with it!” routine, explain to me what social good is being accomplished by passing vast sums of money off to progeny who did NOT earn it by their own sweat and blood. Speaking only for myself, I don’t think that’s particularly good parenting.

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    It’s hot here, I can’t sleep.

    I might have to go get something to drink. Either it will knock me out or make my posts a LOT more amusing.

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    Comments 3, 4, 5, and 6 were posted by Roger Rabbit.

    Commentby Roger Rabbit— 7/1/06@ 5:38 pm

    I immediately guessed that. Only you Rabbit Pellet post positive things about lawyers here on ASSes! Just another of your true names here on ASSes not the list of fifteen you so uneloquently posted as lies to my earlier question, right “Truth Teller”?

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    and a Republican Supreme Court. – Rabbit Pellet. Now if there is a Republican Supreme Court, tell me how the vote went against GWB last Thursday Pellet MAker?

    Just more Daily Kos talking points.

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    Pellet, while you were sitting on your “cotton tail” Saturday some of us were hiking trails yesterday enjoying the sun and getting exercise. We did the Twin Falls hike loop to the Iron Trail. Maybe you should get some exercise with some of your librul friends here and maybe, just maybe the blood will rush to the brain instead of your ass and your post will have facutal meaning and worthwhile discussion points. Another trail in two weeks.

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    LEftTurd: And the government broke no laws. Did you forget on September 24th 2001 the Times asked the government in an editorial opinion to do EXACTLY the same thing their opined over last week? DumbASS DipSHIT!

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    Oh c’mon Mac, any seasoned bureaucrat knows the surest way to get anything published in the press is to classify it.

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    “K, The Kennedys, big supporters of the estate tax for others, have extensive family trusts set up to AVOID the estate taxes.”
    Commentby REP Pat Kennedy [D-Bitchslap the Black Security Guard At LAX]— 7/2/06@ 1:42 am

    Then what’s the problem? If it works for the Kennedys, it’ll work for wingfucks like you, too! If (like Rossi) you hired incompetent lawyers, well as Retard will tell ya, I’m not responsible for your bad choices!

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    “Get rid of the estate tax. It’s a big rip-off.” Commentby Living in the 8th— 7/2/06@ 2:01 am

    blah blah blah

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    “Let’s do away with every tax that’s used to fight Bush’s war for oil. Commentby LeftTurn— 7/2/06@ 4:46 am

    That’s an awfully short list of taxes, as he’s putting the whole bill on your grandkids’ credit card.

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    “I immediately guessed that. Only you Rabbit Pellet post positive things about lawyers here on ASSes! Just another of your true names here on ASSes not the list of fifteen you so uneloquently posted as lies to my earlier question, right “Truth Teller”? Commentby Puddybud Michael Kennedy— 7/2/06@ 9:11 am

    I only use 1 screen name on HA. My computer defaulted to Mrs. Rabbit’s screen name after she used it. I publicly corrected the error, which is more than any lying wingfuck ever does.

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    “and a Republican Supreme Court. – Rabbit Pellet. Now if there is a Republican Supreme Court, tell me how the vote went against GWB last Thursday Pellet MAker?” Commentby Puddybud Michael Kennedy— 7/2/06@ 9:24 am

    Turf fight. Even conservative Republican judges don’t like it when presidents try to steal the judicial branch’s powers.

    Man it’s fun to watch Republicans pull each other’s hair and kick each other in the balls!

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    I live outdoors 100% of the time. I hop around Green Lake Park all day! Whatsamatter, isn’t that birkenstock enough for ya?

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    “And the government broke no laws.” Commentby Puddybud Michael Kennedy— 7/2/06@ 9:35 am

    95% of America’s law professors specializing in constitutional law say you’re wrong. Do you know more about law than they do?

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    Republican Arlen Specter, who chairs the Senate Judiciary Committee, says your wrong. Do you know more about it than he does?

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    82.

    Do you ever actually read the stuff your cheat sheet tells you about, or do you expect us to believe that you remember a NYT edtorial from five years ago?

    That ancient editorial calls for the Bush administration to work with Congress to pass laws to enable them to crack down on money laundering by terrorists. Regulations to register money service businesses were then scheduled to take effect in late 2002, the NYT recommended moving up the date.

    That’s a good deal different than Treasury officials relying on broad administrative subpoenas for millions of records Swift.

    Is it legal? I sure a hell don’t know, and neigher do you, nor do you care.

  93. 93

    Harry Mummified Tuttle: Do you send large money transactions overseas? If so I’d question your INTENTIONS too!

  94. 94

    “I only use 1 screen name on HA. My computer defaulted to Mrs. Rabbit’s screen name after she used it. I publicly corrected the error, which is more than any lying wingfuck ever does.

    Commentby Roger Rabbit— 7/2/06@ 9:59 am”

    So Pellet you are saying your “wife” posts under fifteen different screen names? Or is “Mrs. Rabbit” Your Sybil?

  95. 95

    Puddybutt would post under 15 different screen names but he can’t count that high.

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    95.

    Let me explain to you why it is bad for government agencies to collect and store information they don’t need.

    If my name were ever ensnared in such a sweep, it would have to be an error or due to some parenthetical relationship I have to a third party. Whether it could put me in legal jeopardy is not the issue, that it could be used by some political hack, like you say, to make an implecation like you have already made without cause would be the problem.

    And, hey, ther’d be an official record of it, wouldn’t there. It (and I) would be, to use Karl Rove’s phrase, fair game.

  98. 98

    96

    “So Pellet you are saying your “wife” posts under fifteen different screen names?” Commentby Puddybud Michael Kennedy— 7/2/06@ 10:31 am

    I haven’t counted them. Mrs. Rabbit uses a different screen name every time she posts, which is not every day. She’s probably up to 15 by now; maybe more.

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    95

    By your logic, every banker in America and Europe is a suspected terrorist. I read somewhere that a trillion dollars crosses U.S. borders every day.

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    95

    Of course, I don’t know what you mean by “large money transactions.” To Mark the Returdfuck, $100 is a “large money transaction,” or at least, larger than he can swing. That’s how much he still owes Goldy on a bet he lost.

    It appears $99 is a “large money transaction” for the rest of you unpatriotic, troop-hating, trollfucks too! That’s how much Roger Rabbit donated to http://www.operation-helmet.org/ to save a soldier’s life! None of you turdfucks have given a dime to save an American soldier’s life! The reasonable conclusion to be drawn from that is:

    a) Despite all your big talk, none of you are good for $99, at least not without consulting with your loan officer;* and/or

    b) Rightwing trollfucks hate American soldiers and want them to die; which leads to a suspicion that

    c) Rightwing trollfucks either are terrorists themselves, or terrorist sympathizers.

    * Click here for photo of trollfuck loan officer: http://hiromiyazawa.com/stock/Images/20010104.jpg

  101. 101

    The State of Washington leases property from Martin Selig…….. it’s in today’s Olympian. Sounds like a lot of wasteful spending to me.

  103. 103

    Lying trollfuck @104

    If you’re a soldier, I’m Mother Goose.

    As for your assertion that soldiers didn’t get ballots, every time you post this bullshit, I’ll debunk it.

    REPUBLICAN LIARS CLAIM: Rossi lost because King County disenfranchised soldiers.

    THE TRUTH:

    1) King County mailed 15,289 ballots to military/overseas voters.

    2) ALL of these ballots were mailed within the legal deadline.

    3) 12,694 of these ballots were returned by voters, a turnout of 84.0%, which is virtually identical to the domestic turnout.

    4) Of the returned ballots, 12,474 or 98.26% were validated and counted.

    5) Only 16 military/overseas ballots were disqualified because they arrived too late. It is possible none of these ballots were from military voters. It is also possible that some, most, or all of these ballots were late because the voters mailed them after the election was over.

    6) King County has no control over, and is not responsible for, delays in the military mail system.

    7) Any soldier who, for any reason, did not receive an absent ballot could have obtained a Federal Write In Ballot from his unit’s Voting Assistance Officer. He did not need to know the names of candidates; a FWIB would be counted if the soldier marked it “Republican for governor.” He did not need to know King County Elections’ address; if he addressed it “Elections, King County, Washington” it would be delivered. If he was serving in a combat zone, he did not need a stamp; all he had to do was write “Free” on the envelope.

    8) King County received 1,342 Federal Write In Ballots from people who had no problem figuring out how to obtain, fill out, and mail a FWIB. If 1,342 people could figure out how to do it, then anybody could.

    9) Washington bends over backwards to make it easy for soldiers to vote. It is easier for a soldier stationed overseas to vote in King County than in any other state. He does not have to be registered to vote. He does not have to prove his eligibility to vote. All he has to do is sign under oath that he is a U.S. citizen and claim King County as his home.

    10) By contrast, the GOP actively sought to disqualify military voters whose homes were in Democratic precincts. They did this by sending “Do not forward” letters to the home addresses of soldiers stationed overseas, and challenging their registrations when these letters returned to sender. The GOP knew damn well most of these letters were send to neighborhoods where most of the residents were blacks. The GOP also knew damn well they were targeting soldiers deployed to Iraq, because they challenged voters whose home addresses were on military bases.

    Wingfucks like you who claim the Democrats disenfranchised military voters are fucking liars. The only party that keeps people from voting is the GOP. The only party that targets soldiers for voter challenges is the GOP. The GOP only wants soldiers who vote Republican to vote — they are perfectly willing to, and do, disenfranchise minority soldiers and soldiers they believe are likely to vote Democratic.

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    104

    Instead of being a crybaby over an election your guy LOST, why don’t you SUPPORT THE TROOPS, you fucking whiner.

  110. 111

    There, I think I got the url right. . .but it’s still a “dead” link. Gotta go back to the style sheet. . . .

  111. 112

    The link I posted in #108 & the identical link you posted in #111 work for me, but your “corrected” link doesn’t … ???

  112. 113

    I dunno, I got a blank screen until I edited it to read “jpg” instead of “jpe” at the end of the url.

  113. 114

    From Navy Seals.com
    http://www.navyseals.com/commu.....fm?id=6536

    By Chad Miles

    A recent report issued by the National Defense Committee, a nonprofit organization that supports the U.S. military and encourages veterans to run for elective office, recently found that 25 percent of ballots cast by military personnel in the 2004 presidential election went uncounted. Incredibly, that rate of disenfranchisement could be even higher due to the fact that the study relied on voluntary disclosure of information from local election officials.

    Unfortunately, the issue of soldiers being disenfranchised during an election is nothing new. We all remember the 2000 Florida recount fiasco and the events surrounding it. During that election, the rate of uncounted ballots cast by members of the armed forces was even higher at a staggering 29 percent nationwide.

    In Florida, which turned out to be the pivotal state in determining the winner of the 2000 election, around 1,400 military absentee votes were left uncounted, largely because of the role of lawyers working for the Democratic Party at local canvassing boards who followed a directive from the party to challenge all military ballots on the premise that they likely were votes for Republican nominee George W. Bush.

    Although many lawmakers vowed that the level of disenfranchisement seen in the aftermath of that election would never happen again, it looks like it did.

    According to the committee’s study, “Military and Overseas Absentee Voting in the 2004 Election,” the largest problem in managing military absentee ballots is not hostile attorneys, but rather what military historians call “the tyranny of distance” – the unavoidable difficulties inherent in getting ballots to our deployed military people serving overseas.

    During the election in 2000, the study found that, 30 percent of military personnel did not receive their ballot in time to cast a vote. When you combine that figure with the number of votes that were tossed out for various reasons – including arriving to the absentee voters via snail mail past voting deadlines – you can see that the scope of the problem is enormous.

    The challenge of getting ballots to soldiers was even worse during the 2004 election due to the post-9/11 deployments of military units to Iraq, Afghanistan and dozens of other countries in support of the Global War on Terror, the committee found. Units frequently on the move and mail delays caused by local threats such as the danger of roadside bombs made the task of getting ballots to the troops even more daunting.

    However, military absentee voters once again in 2004 found themselves the target of partisan political maneuvering as had happened in Florida four years earlier.

    Recognizing the fact that more time would be needed to count all of the military ballots arriving from overseas, the Pennsylvania legislature in 2004 requested that Gov. Edward G. Rendell authorize a two-week extension for the acceptance of military ballots to compensate for the issues surrounding the wartime situation in which our soldiers are now engaged.

    However, in Pennsylvania in 2004, as in Florida in 2000, political operatives were motivated by their longstanding knowledge that a strong majority of military voters generally supports Republican candidates.

    Rendell, a Democrat, initially refused the request to assist military absentee voters. But it later was discovered that he had launched an aggressive “get out the vote” information campaign within the state’s prison population, informing inmates of voting rights and providing them with absentee ballots for the election. Other studies have shown that a majority of the prison voting population supports Democratic candidates. The adverse publicity prompted Rendell to approve the extension for military overseas voters.

    In Washington state, the U.S. Justice Department threatened to sue less than a month before the 2004 election because election officials had yet to even mail out absentee ballots to military personnel overseas. What may have been bureaucratic incompetence may well have altered the outcome of that state’s gubernatorial election.

    The Washington state governor’s race between Republican nominee Dino Rossi and Democratic nominee Christine Gregoire turned out to be even tighter than the Florida presidential vote count in 2000. The Republican candidate won the first two re-counts but ultimately lost the third by 128 votes. With a total of 31,910 overseas ballots mailed out for that election, it’s easy to see that even a few lost, late or missing military votes made a huge impact in the election, ultimately deciding the race.

    When it was time for Congress to ratify the 2004 election results and electoral vote count for the offices of President and Vice President during a joint session last December, two Democratic legislators challenged the results on the basis of voting irregularities and disenfranchisement. Was someone finally going to raise the issue of one-fourth of our deployed military men and women not having a voice in the democratic process? No.

    The challenge concerned votes cast in the state of Ohio, which turned out to be the pivotal state in 2004 with enough electoral votes to swing the election and the Presidency to John Kerry. The challenge centered on disqualification of a newly created provisional ballot, not the military vote, and was nothing more than a symbolic protest by the party that had lost the presidential election.

    It appears that once again the rights of military overseas voters are no longer an issue within the political establishment.

    We should not have to still be struggling with this issue. Before the 2004 election, the Department of Defense launched an online voting system called the Secure Electronic Registration and Voting Experiment (SERVE), designed to give military personnel deployed around the world the ability to vote instantly online. This would have obviously corrected the problems surrounding the reliance of postal mail for balloting, and put an end to the partisan shenanigans we saw in Florida with Democratic Party lawyers targeting military voters for ballot rejection.

    Alas, DoD officials opted to shut down the SERVE program before the election due to security concerns dealing with the sensitive nature of the data and the possibility of illegitimate votes being tabulated. Since DoD manages to send thousands of classified messages daily around the globe, many of them stamped “Top Secret,” it is hard to imagine that these security and privacy concerns cannot be resolved.

    It is ridiculous to have our troops filling out paper ballots and placing them in the mail in a day and age when publicly available technology allows you to take a picture and send it to someone on the other side of the world with a small cellphone. The disenfranchisement on the scale that we have seen in recent years is unacceptable, but it is definitely correctible.

    If DoD officials take the time to develop a secure and dependable electronic voting system, some election results may be drastically different in the years to come – but unlike the number of contested elections we have seen since 2000, the results will more likely reflect the judgment of all of the voters – including those serving in harm’s way to protect our freedoms.

    Contributing Editor Chad Miles is a U.S. Army veteran who served with the 82nd Airborne Division and the 5th Special Forces Group during the 1990s. He founded the website WhoServed.com, which tracks the military service of previous and current U.S. government leaders, and is currently pursuing a degree in political science from the University of Michigan – Dearborn. He can be reached at chad@whoserved.com. Send Feedback responses to dwfeedback@yahoo.com.

  114. 115

    The left is entitled to their own opinions but not to their own facts.

  115. 116

    @116&117 I wholeheartedly concur. . .seems you have a problem with Ohio, Florida and other Republican strongholds . The very facts you champion show little problem with the properly conducted election in Washington.. That is, unless you are still whining.. . .

  116. 117

    Obviously your Troll-Goggles are interfering with your reading skills. Perhaps that Charter School wasn’t quite up to snuff? I suggest you reread the post @105. Those facts suggest that there was no prblem in Washington State .

  117. 118

    Alas,I see this man fall prone to the error of choosing speed of result over accuracy and accountability:
    “It is ridiculous to have our troops filling out paper ballots and placing them in the mail in a day and age when publicly available technology allows you to take a picture and send it to someone on the other side of the world with a small cellphone. The disenfranchisement on the scale that we have seen in recent years is unacceptable, but it is definitely correctible.”

    Any casting of ballots by any electronic means absolutely must be backed up with physical documents. . .a paper trail. Otherwise, your “virtual ballot” is no more than Ghost in the Machine.

  118. 119

    Republicans believe in “Ghosts in the Machine” as long as Republican own the electronic voting machine companies, and as long as Republicans can conspire to control (or as shown in San Diego) lose control of access to those machine . The moment that Open Source software is implemented on those machines, with publicly accessable logs, and verifiable paper trails, they will cease to champion them in this shrill manner.
    When a relative electronic neophyte like Howard Dean can be taught how to demonstrate “flipping” votes on a Diebold machine in ninety second I think everyone should re-think their dedication to electronc voting.
    The supervised hand count of votes in the last statewide election of verifiable paper ballots demonsrated a remarkable level of accuracy. That level of accuracy should satisfy any dispassionate observer.
    However, we are afflicted with various slanderous, lying trolls, who for obviously partisan motives seek to cloud, obfuscate, lie about, and deny the results. Get Over It, Bedwetters!

  119. 120

    I would believe my fellow soldiers before I believe the KCRE.

  120. 121

    Just your average US soldier:

    Nice article. You could become a Kennedy with a few more posts.

    Funny thing, I posted the URL where in Florida’s Martin and Seminole counties Gore tried to disenfranchise the military in court. It was thrown out. But idiots like Farmboy think they can get over by changing the subject. Gore also tried it in the Pensacola area. Gore only wanted to recount four blue counties. THat was quashed. Gore then admits his mistake. If Gore left it alone the military split was 58-42 Bush, where in most other areas it was 70-30 Bush. Donks, step on their dicks and step in it all the time.

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    118

    No more like Seattle,Philadelphia,St Louis,Milwaukee,Chicago,San Francisco,New York, Palm Beach County, Dade County,Cleveland ect. These are the places where real voting fraud occurs. Again, you are entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts.

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    116

    “In Florida, which turned out to be the pivotal state in determining the winner of the 2000 election, around 1,400 military absentee votes were left uncounted, largely because of the role of lawyers working for the Democratic Party at local canvassing boards who followed a directive from the party to challenge all military ballots on the premise that they likely were votes for Republican nominee George W. Bush.”

    This statement is absolutely false! The truth is that a Democratic lawyer, acting on his own initiative and without authorization, took action to challenge some military ballots of questionable validity — and when Al Gore found out about it, he ordered the challenge withdrawn. The Gore-Edwards Campaign was committed from the outset to counting all military ballots, and even allowed the counting of military ballots that weren’t legal under Florida law. Meanwhile, GOP operatives solicited soldiers who hadn’t voted to submit ballots AFTER THE ELECTION WAS OVER to try to pad the Florida tally in favor of George W. Bush. And, in 2004, the GOP systematically targeted minority soldiers deployed to Iraq and Afghanistant for voter challenges by sending “Do Not Forward” letters to their U.S. addresses.

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    116

    We know from the ugly Swift Boat smear campaign against Kerry that rightwing veterans and military personnel are willing to do ANYTHING to help Republicans, including attack their fellow veterans and lie about other people’s military service. Why should be believe their self-serving claims of military voters being disenfranchised? Where’s the proof? It’s all bullshit.

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    The truth is, the Pentagon doesn’t let news media, academicians, or researchers have access to military voters. Consequently, the turnout and party affiliation of soldiers is almost entirely unknown. All so-called “studies” of military voting patterns are nothing more than conjecture, wild guesses, and statistical models.

  125. 126

    117

    The same goes for the right in spades, but that doesn’t stop wingers from lying about every fucking thing under the sun. Show me a winger, and I’ll show you a fucking liar.

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    116

    “In Washington state, the U.S. Justice Department threatened to sue less than a month before the 2004 election because election officials had yet to even mail out absentee ballots to military personnel overseas. What may have been bureaucratic incompetence may well have altered the outcome of that state’s gubernatorial election.”

    Well DUH … the PRIMARY was held in mid-September, the primary results weren’t CERTIFIED until October 5, and the November ballots couldn’t be PRINTED until the primary was certified, dumbass! King County mailed most November ballots on October 8 and none later than October 10. The DOJ did NOT sue Washington State. King County DID comply with all federal deadlines. Better find another straw man, liar.

  127. 128

    I believe the swift boat veterans for truth. Where were they proven wrong? Did Kerry release his military medical records?

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    116

    Oh, and by the way, guess which legislators wanted to move the primary to August so military ballots could be mailed sooner? The Democrats. And which party OPPOSED the earlier primary, so military voters would have more time to get their ballots? The Republicans. That’s a fact.

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    116

    “Before the 2004 election, the Department of Defense launched an online voting system called the Secure Electronic Registration and Voting Experiment (SERVE), designed to give military personnel deployed around the world the ability to vote instantly online. This would have obviously corrected the problems surrounding the reliance of postal mail for balloting”

    But electronic voting sure makes it easy for partisan voting machine manufacturers to game the software, as we saw in Ohio and Snohomish County, where numerous voters complained of the voting machines switching their votes for Democratic candidates to Republican candidates. The DOJ never sued King County for mailing military ballots late (because it didn’t happen), but lawsuits HAVE been filed against Diebold, Sequoia, the Ohio secretary of state, and Snohomish County over electronic voting irregularities, and are pending in the courts.

  130. 131

    131

    What? From voting districts that dont mail them anyways. Give me a break.

  131. 132

    Everybody should be required to vote by paper ballot. Mark an “X” in the box. Then hand count them. It’s foolproof, and we don’t need to know who won 15 minutes after the polls close — that’s all about making the media happy, and we don’t have to make the media happy at the expense of accuracy or honesty.

  132. 133

    131

    Hey jackass, it’s a FACT the Republicans voted AGAINST moving the primary to August. Look it up! Why? God only knows, but I suspect they don’t want election officials to have more time to mail military ballots, so that when they lose, they can gin up phony claims of military voters being disenfranchised.

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    116

    Electronic voting should be illegal, period. It has failed every security test so far. Without a paper trail, there’s no way to know whether there was cheating. Unless the manufacturers reveal their source code, there’s no way to know if the software is changing votes. One of the arguments in the Snohomish County lawsuit is that it’s unconstitutional to use the Sequoia voting machines because that delegates the vote counting to a private company, which is not allowed by our state constitution.

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    122

    I would believe an alien who just got off a UFO before I would believe anything a winger says.

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    122

    Every claim the Republicans made about the 2004 governor’s election was proven false. They spent $2 million on lawyers and 2 weeks in trial before a hand-picked judge in a hand-picked Republican county, and what happened? The judge subtracted 4 fraudulent votes from Rossi, found no fraudulent votes for Gregoire, and threw out the GOP’s fraud claims. It was all bullshit. It was such overripe bullshit that even a Republican judge in a Republican county wouldn’t swallow it.

    Hey, your guy lost! Get over it. Move on. If you can’t, get counseling.

  137. 138

    You can spin this any way you want but the bottom line is that 30% of active military personel are not getting their ballots. You can site all the programs you want but it doesn’t change the facts. We need to make it a priority to make sure our fighting men and women get to vote.

  141. 142

    Not A Soldier is getting desperate! Confronted with the facts, he blusters, and can’t think of anything to say but “you can spin this any way you want …” Sorry, Bubba, facts are facts, and lies are lies. You’re full of shit. In more ways than one.

  142. 143

    Bullshit. Cite a reputable factual source

    Commentby Tree Frog Farmer— 7/2/06@ 4:48 pm

    Yeah you neocon piece of shit. Cite a reputable factual source. Way to go TFF. Courage, courage.

  143. 144

    Not A Soldier is getting desperate! Confronted with the facts, he blusters, and can’t think of anything to say but “you can spin this any way you want …” Sorry, Bubba, facts are facts, and lies are lies. You’re full of shit. In more ways than one.

    Commentby Roger Rabbit— 7/2/06@ 4:59 pm

    I’am with you rabbit,I can relate. I can feel your gravitas.

  144. 145

    If “Just your average US soldier” gave a rat’s ass about our troops, he’d put his money where his mouth is, and send a donation to http://www.operation-helmet.org/ — whatever he could afford, even if it’s only $10! He doesn’t gave a damn about our soldiers. He only cares about getting votes for Republicans.

  145. 146

    Lying trollfuck “Just your average US soldier” made it pretty clear in his post @104 that he won’t spend a dime of his own money to save a soldier’s life.

    All hat, no cattle. Empty suit. Motor mouth. Blowing smoke out of his ass. Where the rubber meets the road, he’s got no tires. Phrase it anyway you want, “Just your average US soldier” DOESN’T SUPPORT THE TROOPS. He’s just another unpatriotic background noise, like fingernails on a chalkboard.

  147. 148

    Goldy had the best solution for voting in Washington State a few months ago.
    The way he explained it was — voter goes online and marks his/her ballot, voter prints the ballot, voter mails the ballot or delivers it to a designated site for voter’s county.
    That would also work for military/overseas voters……

    I would like to see a online database maintained by the state where voters could go to see if their vote has been counted and if not counted, why was it rejected? Right now you don’t know if your ballot was counted and there are still too many people registered twice in this state.

  149. 150

    Dipshit ASSHeads: Maybe he doesn’t possess the Internet skills GBS applauded on some time ago. Since you all decided to gang up on the Soldier, I’ll come to his defense and call BULLSHIT AGAIN to your lefty rants. Gore did what he did. Read it in the NY Times asswipes. Oh and by the way FUCK YOU! Rabbit Pellet, go hump your armadillo. Tree Faggot – so suck on LeftDumbs shit covered thumb! Harry Tuttle, the brain is still mummified.

    Appeal of Rulings on Seminole Cty & Martin Cty Absentee Ballots
    Florida Supreme Court Rejects 2 Appeals by Gore Backers – Michael Cooper, New York Times, 13 December 2000

    Gore Endorses Lawsuits To Reject Absentee Votes
    By Bill Sammon / The Washington Times
    TALLAHASSEE, Fla. — Al Gore, whose post-election mantra has been to “count every vote,” yesterday for the first time endorsed Democratic lawsuits seeking to throw out more than 20,000 absentee ballots in Seminole and Martin counties. The dramatic shift in strategy came just hours after the Florida Supreme Court announced it might not accept the vice president’s appeal of a lower court’s sweeping rejection of his lawsuit contesting the election. Even if the case is accepted, legal professionals doubt the court would reverse Monday’s ruling by Leon County Judge N. Sanders Sauls.

    Moonbats: Dingleberries

    Gore Backer In Court Today In Seminole County Case
    By Frank J. Murray / The Washington Times
    Even an abrupt concession by Vice President Al Gore won’t automatically end a Democrat’s lawsuit that goes to trial today as a final attempt to erase George W. Bush’s certified 537-vote victory and reverse the entire presidential election. The case was filed by a Florida voter who already committed $100,000 to back Mr. Gore’s campaign and portrays himself as a noble paladin acting alone to preserve democracy. The trial will be in Tallahassee on Harry N. Jacobs’ crusade to throw out 10,006 absentee ballots for Mr. Bush and 5,209 votes for Mr. Gore because more than 2,100 ballot applications were changed to comply with state law. No vote tampering is involved.

    Military Officers Forbidden to Criticize Al Gore
    Fox News
    For United States military men and women serving far from home, the Democrats’ apparent efforts to have many of Florida’s overseas military ballots rejected or discounted has been a slap in the face. “They ask us to be in harm’s way. And if we’re out there doing our part, why shouldn’t our vote count back here?” said U.S. Army Sgt. Raymond Jenkins. But as outraged as Jenkins and his colleagues may be at having their votes discounted, they have to keep their opinions to themselves.

    http://archives.cnn.com/2000/L.....index.html

    Appeals court upholds disputed military ballots in Florida election
    December 11, 2000
    Web posted at: 3:55 PM EST (2055 GMT)

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    ATLANTA (AP) — An appeals court on Monday agreed with a federal judge who refused to throw out 2,400 of Florida’s overseas ballots, mostly from military personnel, because they arrived after Election Day.

    A three-judge panel of the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals said the ruling by U.S. District Judge Maurice Paul in Gainesville, Florida, was consistent with recent comments by Florida’s highest court about the workings of the absentee ballot law.

    The lawsuit brought by Democratic voters sought to eliminate enough ballots to change the election results in Vice President Al Gore’s favor. Republican George W. Bush led by less than 200 votes as election challenges continued in the U.S. Supreme Court and elsewhere Monday.

    “While Florida law seems to favor counting ballots, this change would take away the votes of thousands of Florida citizens — including members of America’s armed forces on duty outside of the country pursuant to the nation’s orders — who, to cast their ballots, just did what they were told by Florida’s election officials,” the appeals court said.

    The appeals court rejected the claims of lawyers representing 13 individual Democratic voters whose lawsuits were combined before Paul.

    The lawsuits claimed that state and federal laws, along with the U.S. Constitution, require all ballots to be received by the close of the polls on Election Day.

    I love being right!!!

  150. 151

    Dan Rather:

    Rabbit Pellet has real gravitas in his own mind. Valor Pellet Valor

    Tree Fogged Farmer, harvests hot air. His! Valor TFF Valor

    Harry Tuttle is looking for a new brain. Valor Mummified Valor

    GreenDumb: Wouldn’t know the truth if it hit him in the face.

    LeftTurd: Gets flushed everyday. Valor Turdball valor

  151. 152

    140,

    From the KCRE website:
    Faxed Ballots

    * You may request a ballot be faxed to you by contacting the King County Elections Office directly, or the Federal Voting Assistance Program at one of their fax numbers: (703) 693-5527, (800) 368-8683 or DSN 223-5527. You will be faxed a ballot and complete instructions to assist you in voting.

    There are three faxing options available:

    1. You may return your faxed ballot via normal mail delivery.
    2. You may return your ballot via fax to (206) 296-0108; however, you must waive your right to secrecy. Include a cover sheet with your printed name, date of birth and the statement: “I understand that by faxing my voted ballot, I am voluntarily waiving my right to a secret ballot.” You must sign below the statement. You must also fax a copy of the signed voter oath which is on the outside of the absentee ballot envelope.
    3. Your regular absentee ballot may be faxed back and must include the secrecy waiver and a copy of the signed voter oath which is on the outside of the absentee envelope.

    Your original, signed oath and secrecy waiver with the ballot must be received in our office by 9:00 a.m. prior to certification of the election, which occurs 10 days after the Primary and 21 days after the General Election.

    The fax ballot procedures were worked out in 2002.

  152. 153

    Rabbit PEllet: I told you to stop going to Daily Kos or other lefty moron web sites to get your “truths”. I enjoy trouncing your legalese!

  153. 154

    140. (cont’d)

    Military personnel serving overseas who didn’t get their ballot to King County in time to be counted in the 2004 general election just didn’t try very hard. KCRE would even accept e-mail as a communication mechanism.

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    152.

    We know you have a hard time with reading comprehension Puttybrains, but your little cut and past job form wingnut-land doesn’t address the issue I had with US soldier.

    104
    Instead of a helmet how about a ballot next election.
    Commentby Just your average US soldier— 7/2/06@ 12:43 pm

    amd

    122.
    I would believe my fellow soldiers before I believe the KCRE.
    Commentby Just your average US soldier— 7/2/06@ 4:00 pm

    So you’re just irrelevant, once again (and not for the last time.)

  155. 156

    BTW ASSHeads: Looking for Reputable sources. Remember you trusted the NY Times to break the SWIFT story and you all sucked the NY Times “dick” on that story. SO I present more NY Times stories about the law suits. BTW, the DoD mail system was not the problem:

    http://www.defenselink.mil/new.....06223.html

    “The IG recommended that the Federal Voting Assistance Program office continue to work with state election officials to resolve absentee voting problems. These include trying to standardize the various states’ requirements, differing voter residency requirements, simplifying the overseas ballot process and working with states to test and use new technological solutions for the absentee balloting process.”

    COUNTING THE VOTE: THE OVERSEAS BALLOTS; Uncounted Overseas Votes Carrying a Pro-Bush Profile
    By TIM GOLDEN New York Times

    COUNTING THE VOTE: SEMINOLE COUNTY; Judge Asked by Democrats To Quash Absentee Ballots
    By MICHAEL MOSS New York Times

    You all look up the articles.

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    Mummified: Who cares what the fuck you think. He was making a generalization, probably based on what his fellow soldiers around the country have been talking about in their unit. You are verbally cursing out a US Armed Forces Soldier. Where do you get off the train butthead? I don’t care what a mummified brain writes or cares about. You are rejected without gravitas. So you can’t refute my URLs? Too bad!

    You wrote this pithy comment:”If you think Navy Seals are fellow soldiers, I hope you don’t hang out with them and say that. Commentby Harry Tuttle— 7/2/06@ 5:16 pm

    So I ask Rabbit Pellet: What happened to the other 200+ military ballots?

    3) 12,694 of these ballots were returned by voters, a turnout of 84.0%, which is virtually identical to the domestic turnout.

    4) Of the returned ballots, 12,474 or 98.26% were validated and counted.

    Funcking A Pellet, where did they go? We never heard an answer, but Larry Phillips ballot was counted, but not Brian Suits!

    Dipshits!

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    BTW dj: I know this is a librul blog. That’s why I enjoy sparring with the ASSheads.

  158. 159

    159.

    The fuck he was. Go put your head back up your ass you idiotic twit. There is no generalization when the response was he trusts his soldier buddies (incorrect) more than KCRE.

    Eat shit and die.

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    re 159: Do the electoral errors you deplore fall within the margin of statistical error that can reasonably be expected in an election of this size? They do ….. So what’s your beef?

  160. 161

    re 159: Do the electoral errors you deplore fall within the margin of statistical error that can reasonably be expected in an election of this size? They do ….. So what’s your beef?

    Commentby headless lucy— 7/2/06@ 6:44 pm

    Well King County counted them so that explains why they can’t tell you what happened to all 12,694 of the returned ballots. You can tell Lucy is a public school teacher since she obviously can’t distinguish between actual and sample population in statistical analysis. Geeeesh

  162. 163

    Sorry mummified, I have no idea what shit tastes like, but I’m sure you do since you want to serve a heaping helping to me. What is Soldier-man going to do except get his info from his soldier buddies when he is in the field? Hind-sight is 20-20. But living in the moment is something else. You have the benefit of looking back into history. You are really dumb or you have never been deployed out of the country for any time in your life.

    Luciteracistshitface: 200+ ballots are lost. Pellet says they were “all” counted. Where is Lt. Brian Suit’s ballot? Don’t give me that’s within the margin of error bullshit because we have never received the report Sharkansky sued Logan over.

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    Luciteracistshitface & Mummified Brain: Kiss my ass! Go indulge yourself on a porpupine. Go screw Pellet’s aramdillo.

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    Cuzin Rufus: There is nothing horseless the racist looselips comprehends.

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    re 163 thru 166: Whatever! Still, the original question remains unanswered. I repeat: If the military ballots that were counted contained some errors and the amount of error falls within the acceptable statistical range ( which they do ), then what’s your beef?

  166. 167

    What is the basis for your statistical error rants? We have no way of knowing that “fact” without the KCRE report. Do you have knowledge we don’t? Blah blah blah!

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    No more like Seattle,Philadelphia,St Louis,Milwaukee,Chicago,San Francisco,New York, Palm Beach County, Dade County,Cleveland ect. These are the places where real voting fraud occurs. Again, you are entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts.

    Commentby Just your average US soldier— [………………………………………………………………I think you are ready to become a “HorsesAss.Org” Kennedy!! Welcome from JCH Kennedy!!]

  169. 170

    Military personnel serving overseas who didn’t get their ballot to King County in time to be counted in the 2004 general election just didn’t try very hard. KCRE would even accept e-mail as a communication mechanism.

    Commentby Harry Tuttle— 7/2/06@ 5:48 pm [Yeah…The felons and welfare 80 hacks living in a King County “Guvment” building all voted Democrat several times!! No excuses for those serving overseas protecting our country!!! hehe, JCH]

  170. 171

    I believe the swift boat veterans for truth. Where were they proven wrong? Did Kerry release his military medical records?

    Commentby Just your average US soldier [Great questions!! MTR, Dan Rather, RUFUS, and PUD………..I need your blessing on “Just your average US soldier”. Please post ASAP!!!

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    Brothers Kennedy – Weekend half over now… did you get some young ass? Are they still alive? How many ya got in the panty collection? What are ya drankin’ this weekend?

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    No, MTR Kennedy, saw some young ass, but the wife was in the car and noticed me looking. We chuckled.

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    PUD and PAT, Let’s go over this once again, the R’s threw the best they had at the gov election, in a venue of their choice, and the result stands.

    Any questions?

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    K:

    You have to be watching ESPN, because you are not on it here.

    When did I discuss Guvnur Fraudoire? Please show me.

    For an Ivy Leager, you are not too bright!

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    A more pertinent “who served” site is the one which features
    the most prominent people in government:

    http://www.awolbush.com/whoserved.html

    Left Turn: I have both The Freedom Toast CDs–Love them!
    Longer clips can also be heard by going to http://www.cdbaby.com
    then clicking on Search, and when you see “artist’s name,”
    type in The Freedom Toast. The Battle of Rajr Raab-Bit!!

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    re 169: One of the earlier commenters ( maybe it was you ) said there was a problem ( supposedly ) with 200 military ballots. That is about 1 percent of the entire amount of military ballots cast. There is no problem there.

    I’m not ranting , you are.

    Definition of a Libertarian: An Anarchist who wants police to protect him from his enemies. ( hehe )

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    182, HL, No problems with the prison felon votes or the 80 Democrats “residing” in a King County Administration Building! But just a few problems with the overseas Republican military vote!

  181. 182

    Definition of a Libertarian: An Anarchist who wants police to protect him from his enemies. ( hehe )

    Actually lucy, I have several firearms that I keep handy for the purpose of protection.

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    Cotton Candy @ 3:

    The officer corps of the US military is fairly mean-spirited when it comes to promotion. The services will all claim that they’re “fair” and that the fact that a person was passed-over for promotion does not impact his or her chance for promotion in the future. In reality, however, nothing can be further from truth!

    Getting passed-over for promotion is the kiss of death for any future chance of promotion. Officers get only one chance, and if they fail to get promoted (which, needless to say, is a highly political process, worthy of an entire thread in its own right)they’re done forever.

    This lawyer who did so well in the recent SCOTUS case involving the Gitmo detainees committed the unforgiveable sin: he got pased over on the last promotion board. It wasn’t his success in the case that got him in trouble. Most likely be booted-out of the Navy with nothing but a small severance. No retirement, no bennies, just a “Thank you for your interest in national defence. don’t let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.”

    I’m sure this guy is gonna land on his feet. After winning this case, he’s sure to have people interested in employing his services. A lot of the guys in his situation weren’t so lucky, and I’ve known a bunch of them personally.

  183. 184

    Hmmm, 200 votes lost when the decision was 133 votes. Hmmm, yeah right lucite.

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