Light posting today as I work on something big… I probably won’t be done until later tonight. In the meanwhile, feel free to use this post as an open thread.
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A big development, eh? This should be interesting.
the anticipation mounts
And, to channel the Rude Pundit, you know what comes after “mounting”? (Hint: think animal kingdom)
Speculation….
Sims takes it to FEMA!
http://www.metrokc.gov/exec/ne.....ion_ma.htm
Now KC can be recognized with other locales in the US who have been recognized for flood planning, such as…..New Orleans!
Or, New worries in the Sims campaign over recent poll numbers have the HA-for-Sims team in full brainstorming mode. Think…what could a horsesass do to energize the voters?
http://www.azcentral.com/offbe.....18-ON.html
Perfect!
Or, Could campaign donations by Delay’s judge provide a trail of repub cronyism that does not pass the smell test?
http://www.opensecrets.org/ind.....38;Order=N
Oops, wrong blog.
Or, Bush’s brain has some cleaning to do…
http://www.breitbart.com/news/.....UP0G0.html
Or, now there is some name recognition…
http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,91059-13442533,00.html?f=rss
And, to channel the Rude Pundit, you know what comes after “mounting”? (Hint: think animal kingdom)
Comment by Larry the Urbanite— 10/19/05 @ 3:46 pm
Lemme guess: A bill from the taxidermist? Another object above the mantle to dust and wipe cobwebs off?
tax the dermist? I am for lower taxes
(rimshot) pay the man, Shirley
Ironman e-mailed me (and the rest of his supporters) saying that “We have become aware of a fund raising effort by the Voter Education Committee (VEC) for $150,000 to begin an independent attack campaign against David. Ron Sims’ campaign must feel they are in deep trouble to ask for help. The VEC’s urgent request for radio money tells us that Sims knows he is losing ground.”
FYI…
Josef, please answer Honestly (since you are all about honesty):
Was this email asking for money?
Comment by Thomas Trainwinder— 10/19/05 @ 4:22 pm
Yes.
Since this is an open discussion, I’d like to suggest something here:
I read yesterday’s nonsensical diatribe by this site’s creator saying this, “So to all you proto-Naderites out there, I’d like to take this opportunity to invite you to pull your heads out of your asses and join me in the real world, where believe it or not, there really is a difference between Democrats and Republicans.”
What is sad about this for someone that actually knows better but instead manipulated the information that he gave out, was that Goldie knows that a) Nader WAS NOT A GREEN (never was), and b) that not everyone that votes for Gentry Lange is a green.
I personally despise Nader, but after knowing Gentry for a decade and more, all during this time Sims has been at the head of King County’s government, Sims is still promising to look into doing things that he has not done for a decade, while Gentry not
only has plans, but WILL institute his plans.
Goldie – why have you not asked Ron Sims why he is AGAIN this election period promising action on issues such as traffic reform? Why has Sims not done in his last few terms the things that he (again) talks about taking action on now? Have you ever asked him that?
Goldie – I also am against a third party, but I am a realist. I know that as long as professional politicians know that the left will always vote for them, they can do less than they’d otherwise have to.
Gentry Lange is forcing Sims to deal with Sims’ continued inaction. Gentry is forcing Sims to deal with Sims’ (purposeful?) mistake in bringing Diebold into our elections. I myself asked Ron Sims at one of the debates why he did this when there was so many obvious issues with Diebold, only to have Sims say, ‘We don’t have Diebold machines, just the databases’, which we all know now are incredibly easily hacked in 90 seconds. Or, does Ron not know this? When I explained this to him and Larry Gosset, Larry was interested and amazed at this info, while Ron seemingly didn’t want to hear any more about it.
Goldie – why not hold Ron up to the same level of expectation as the expectation that you have for someone that you are not a strong fan of?
Here is my challenge to you:
Why not ask 10 questions (Maybe have your readers pick some of the questions?), and have all candidates for the King County Executive answer them and post those answers on your site?
Get involved Goldie, don’t just cast stones.
No no no. “Mounting” as in “rutting”. Get it? Pearls before swine, I tell ya’
Andrew @ 11
“What is sad about this for someone that actually knows better but instead manipulated the information that he gave out, was that Goldie knows that a) Nader WAS NOT A GREEN (never was)”
Huh??? You will have to clarify what you mean by this statement, since Nader was a candidate for/endorsed by both of the organizations** calling themselves the Green Party in 2000.
**National Assoication of State Green Parties—nominated Nader as their Presidential candidate in 2000. The Greens/Green Party USA endorsed Nader in 2000; they changed their name to Green Party of the United States in 2001.
heck, Goldy could be cleaning his kitchen or bathroom of all things and you guys are salavating or even worse…
Geeze…
AUSTIN, Texas (AP) — A Texas court issued a warrant Wednesday for former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay to appear for booking, where he is likely to face the fingerprinting and photo mug shot he had hoped to avoid.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITI.....index.html
What’s the matter, Tommy, a little worried your mug shot will taint the jury pool before your phone campaigns do? Poor guy.
LiberalDave @ 15
You mean like this mug shot?
test
Josef @ 18
Are you testing out a new cocktail of meds?
BTW, Josef, weren’t you staunchly pro-Sims when he ran for Governor?
The big story that is about EXPLODE in the liberal democrats face and the almighty Clinton’s…Able Danger..Check out the C-span coverage of the floor of the house today. ANY hope that Hillary or just about any Democrat becoming president in )* is about to be officially OVER
One more reason to vote for Gentry or Irons.
Thank you, because confessionaire a la confessionaire, I voted FOR Sims in the Dem Gov’r Primary last year. I support taxing income instead of property for education…
Comment by dj— 10/19/05 @ 5:57 pm
No, had to see if I fixed my error. Also see my last comment, dj.
but, but, but, but, but Josef @ 22.
Weren’t you were a BIG BIG Sims supporter when he ran for Gov. Not a “sure, I’ll vote for him if I have to,” but a “I’m gonna fall on a sword if he doesn’t win the primary” kind of supporter?
Yeah right, Terry. The Republicans at the federal level are crumbling in waves of scandal while Bush enjoys approval ratings as bad as Nixon during Watergate. The 08 election isn’t the one you should be concerned about just yet.
Comment by dj— 10/19/05 @ 6:03 pm
Nope. Just a supporter more against-Gregore and pro-tax reform more than anything else. Not that hot on the guy. Don’t spin this into some manic-depressive thing, okay?
But Josef @ 25,
Would you believe your mommy told me you were a HUGE Sims supporter?
Comment by dj— 10/19/05 @ 6:22 pm
That is BS and my mom knows that, you know that and I know that. To use your vernacular: Shut your pie-hole, lying Democrap.
IDGAF: Able Danger, I need to Google Cluelessness and JustDumbBozo commentary on this because when I mentioned this I was called a Freeper by them. I was accused by them of using Captein Ed, Free Republic, and other sites now looking like they have it spot on. So if some of this is true, what will the clueless one say next? JustDumbBozo had to eat crow (didn’t it taste good) when the NY Times corrected his favorite economist who wouldn’t correct himself when his lies were exposed!
Hey there DJ @ 13 –
When I said that Nader was never a Green, you are correct that he was the Green Party candidate, but he never was an official green party member. In fact, as I recall, he never even signed up to be an official Green during the election. I’ll have to check on that, and I could be wrong about that, but if my memory is correct, he was just the candidate, and that’s it.
And, to the Irons guy – I am here because Goldie is a big Sims proponent, so I am interested in hearing why Goldie has this opinion and to offer simple suggestions on how Goldie could get more involved in this election. What I am not here is to specifically promote Gentry Lange. Gent is a great guy, but he can promote himself. I have met David a few times, he seems nice also, so let them promote themselves, and let’s save this space for more discussion and less promotion.
So, everyone here from Seattle – what questions would you like to see Goldie ask Lange/Sims/Irons? Let’s hear your thoughts.
Here’s my first question:
To all the candidates – do you agree that an open and fair election is a high priority for the King County Exec, and if so, how is it possible that proprietary software by Diebold or any other company possibly can result in an unquestionable open and fair election, especially when there are many options for open-source, publicly owned software available today?
Who else has a question?
25
As I expected … Josef the Troglodyte isn’t FOR anything, he’s merely AGAINST a lot of things.
Democrats build while Republicans complain.
PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENT
Roger Rabbit is going on vacation! Even bunnies deserve a vacation now and then — we work hard too!! Roger Rabbit is not dead, RR is only on vacation. Hell, if George W. Bush can take 3 vacations a month, why can’t I? Why should Republicans get all the vacations? Greedy bastards. I’ll see you GOP troll turds next week. Don’t get too comfortable because I’ll be baaaaack …
Comment by Andrew— 10/19/05 @ 6:46 pm
Me too. Try this one: Why in Heaven’s Name did the King County Elections department have double voters remain on the rolls since 1998?
To the moron who said, “As I expected … Josef the Troglodyte isn’t FOR anything, he’s merely AGAINST a lot of things” he forgot to note in comment #25 I said “pro-tax reform”…
Rupert Wabbet: You guys are called the party of NO!
Hillary, Who hired Craig Livingstone? What did you do with the FBI files? If REFCO goes under, who will turn $1000 into 100 grand for you? [hehe]
What amazes me is if the Diebold software allows the database to be modified, what would have stopped anyone in KCEC from modifiying the database before reporting King County results? I am NOT accusing anyone of anything just speculating. If this lady knew this how many others knew this? Also, depending on the person who logs into the machine, the modified database metadata will display that person as the one who modified the file.
Andrew @ 29
I would ask Sims and Irons:
1. Will your family members be voting for you?
2. Has your father ever suggested to the press you are a pathological liar?
Are those good for a start? Some background information is here.
Josef @ 27
“Shut your pie-hole, lying Democrap. “
Awww…geez, Josef. Everyone around here knows I am not a Democrat.
And, why get so testy? I am just trying to understand how someone who calls himself a Democrat and, supposedly, is interested in tax reform, ends up supporting Irons, and drinks the GOP election-fraud cool-aid.
I mean, your postings over the last week have bordered on dilusional.
Comment by dj— 10/19/05 @ 7:25 pm
I’ve left the Democrat party, in case you haven’t noticed.
And dj, rest assured, this isn’t partisan cool-aid. Bob Ferguson has also raised many of the same issues I have.
I personally despise Nader, but after knowing Gentry for a decade and more, all during this time Sims has been at the head of King County’s government, Sims is still promising to look into doing things that he has not done for a decade, while Gentry not
only has plans, but WILL institute his plans.
So will a gent at http://www.davidirons.org
More coming…
Comment by Josef for Honest Elections— 10/19/05 @ 5:53 pm [ER, Josef, Nader is a Jewish liberal,……..kind of like Goldy. Not a good thing to “despise a Jewish liberal” on this board.] hehe, JCH
Sims has done a heckuva job. He’s got the right priorities. I’m proud to support him.
DJ @ 37
I respectfully submitt the following clarification to your question #1.
1. Will your family members be voting for you (those registered under a proper address, their actual address, only registered once, still living, non-felons, county residents)?
Hey, on the Freeper WA St. board, they say “Nobody wants to play with him” – him being Josef.
Is he just good or what? Should he call himself Joerummy, now?
my 2 cents @ 40
“Will your family members be voting for you (those registered under a proper address, their actual address, only registered once, still living, non-felons, county residents)?”
Yes, indeed a question that cuts both ways. One candidate’s family seem to go to extremes to support him.
The other candidate’s family (well, at least his Mother, Father, and one sister) will not vote for him. He must be one bastard to his family to earn that kind of support!
josef @ 41
I suppose you could refer to yourself as Joerummy. But, really, some of the folks around here remember that embarassing Marummy thing. We hope the doctors have helped you work that out of your system. Try to keep yourself healthy, Josef.
So, Josef, are you going to stick with Irons through THICK AND THIN? Or are you gonna bail on him like you did Sims?
I’m just trying to understand your convictions (no pun intended) here.
Josef @ 41
“Is he just good or what? Should he call himself Joerummy, now?”
Here is another helpful hint. Don’t refer to yourself in the third person. People will (1) think your crazy, and (2) start mocking you the way they did Bob Dole.
Comment by dj— 10/19/05 @ 8:30 pm
I didn’t bail on Sims, Sims bailed on democracy by not firing Dean Logan (who still has a modus operendi of letting councilmembers read about department developments via the press – I mean the MSM, not just HA.org and SP.com)!
I am a Marummy fan and when, not if, Forward Washington comes about – you can expect far more Marummy quotes and roars!
I want a piece of the people who attacked this state, okay?
The Joerummy was in good fun :-).
Josef @ 45
“Sims bailed on democracy by not firing Dean Logan”
Ohhh, man, Josef. There you go again, drinking the tin-foil-hat-wing-of-the-GOP koolaid again.
Come-on, Josef, you are young and impressionable. You have to trust the experts on this one—how about elections auditors statewide, who give high praise to Logan. Geez, I cannot believe you actually buy the “Logan is Evil” bullshit.
You are becoming as sappy as Eyman (someone you used to rail against).
Josef @ 45
So, I am still wondering Josef. Are you sticking by your man Irons, through tick and thin, or is he just the politician of the week for you?
Josef
“I want a piece of the people who attacked this state, okay? ”
That is exactly what I was thinking when I heard Rossi attack the state Supreme Court. How un-statesmanlike; what a duplicitous asshole.
Josef @ 46
“The Joerummy was in good fun”
No … it is a symptom, son. A symptom.
“I didn’t bail on Sims, Sims bailed on democracy by not firing Dean Logan”
How many fake drone Democrats are we up to now? Where is that silly Jenny screen name?
Diggin’ the troll’s “honest elections” website. I can assume somebody has already picked up on this silliness:
Domain Name: HONESTELECTIONSPROJECT.COM
Registrant:
Madison Communications Corporation
610 Market Street
Suite 201
Kirkland, WA 98033
US
And then, of course, we have the same address as the mothership for the political movement which will help separate the State GOP from it’s big business sugardaddy for years to come. (thanks, Chris Vance! btw, I heard you have a bull’s eye on yer back)
I-912 Headquarters
610 Market Street, Suite 201
Kirkland, WA 98033
(206)330-9487
If Bush stops illegals, how will the “Demorats” get more votes?
Hurricane Wilma……….REV Louis Farrakhan will check with the Democrat mother ship hiding behind the moon to see if this is another Bush trick to kill blacks. Maxine Waters, Windie, Jesse Jackson, and Headless Lucy will assist REV Louis with the mother ship communications. [Democrats: Fing idiots!]
Joseph @ 9
As I thought. Irons is spreading fear to try and raise more money. To suggest this is anything else is simply, dishonest. Which is something you should be totally against.
LiberalRedneck @ 51
Nice Sleuthing, man!
It is all part of the “I’m-a-sore-loser-redneck-so-sims-will-pay!” movement.
Oh…did I mention that I am a lifelong Republican (although a very sensitive and somewhat fickle Republican) who became disillusioned when John W. Aiken, Jr. lost the primary to Rossi. I feel so abandoned by my party now! :-)
Comment by dj— 10/19/05 @ 9:04 pm
Logan is Evil.
Comment by LiberalRedneck— 10/19/05 @ 9:15 pm
Councilor Jane Hague’s people put the website together. This is a joint op w/ the Dunn people, too.
Comment by dj— 10/19/05 @ 9:08 pm
He was stating a fact, a fact proved by their I-601 ruling. But he said something I felt shouldn’t have been said at that time…
Comment by Thomas Trainwinder— 10/19/05 @ 9:26 pm
Try spelling my name right.
I know some of the people in that HQ. (No, Marummy hasn’t gotten the call-up… yet!) They don’t do that kind of crap. That’s Bush League.
Mine came up w/ the same thing…
Madison Communications Corporation
610 Market Street
Suite 201
Kirkland, WA 98033
US
Domain Name: HONESTELECTIONSPROJECT.COM
Administrative Contact , Technical Contact :
Madison Communications Corporation
jeffdavis@madisoncorp.biz
610 Market Street
Suite 201
Kirkland, WA 98033
US
Phone: 425-822-6262
Fax: 425-822-6235
Record expires on 28-Jul-2006
Record created on 28-Jul-2005
Database last updated on 28-Jul-2005
Josef @ 54
“He was stating a fact, a fact proved by their I-601 ruling.”
Oh, come off it, you idiot. You know, most of the trolls around here don’t believe most of the conspiracy bullshit they spew. But, you seem to REALLY buy into this crap, son. Wake up! That ain’t how it works.
“But he said something I felt shouldn’t have been said at that time…”
That’s good, son, there is hope for winning you back from the dark side, yet.
How about my question: Are you gonna stick with Irons through thick and thin? Or is he just your current political fad?
Comment by dj— 10/19/05 @ 9:41 pm
In order to lose my support, Irons would have to:
*Say something nice about Dean Logan
*Not clean out King County Elections
*Have the 2006 general election become a total mess while county executive
Josef @ 54
“Logan is Evil.”
Wake up. You have no future if you so easily buy into a propoganda campaign. Sheesh!
Comment by LiberalRedneck— 10/19/05 @ 9:15 pm
If you clicked the e-mail link, you’d get… support AT electjanehague DOT com
Comment by dj— 10/19/05 @ 9:43 pm
Propaganda to one person is truth to another.
Josef @ 58
“In order to lose my support, Irons would have to:
*Say something nice about Dean Logan
*Not clean out King County Elections
*Have the 2006 general election become a total mess while county executive
“
That’s sweet of you. I mean, saying something nice about Logan is surely the sign of an incompetent politician!
But, what about real issues, right now? Like, character. Irons seems to have some pretty deep personality flaws. Why would his dad, a Republican politician, say Davie has problems telling the truth? Isn’t that a red flag (blue flag :-) ) for you? Doesn’ that make you wonder if the stuff he is saying is the worse kind of political bullshit? Are you prepared to have a pathological liar running King County?
Oh…the humanity!
Comment by dj— 10/19/05 @ 9:48 pm
dj, I think if he was more than backstabbing family members would speak out. Try his staff, try his colleagues and try his constituents.
The guy’s not Saddam – he doesn’t have a reign of terror (or if he does, that’s in your mind).
Josef @ 61
“Propaganda to one person is truth to another.”
Ummm…no, Josef, that is not the way it works. He who buys into propaganda is just a brainwashed idiot!
I mean, REALLY, josef. You saw the blatant, and systematic campaign against Logan. The whole thing was pretty transparant. When you used to post earlier during the election contest, I didn’t think you had bought into the whole thing.
On the other hand. The people who are actually qualified to evaluate his skills–his peers around the state (and even around the nation)–give Logan high marks. Do you REALLY believe that idiots like Sharkansky (a.k.a. Mr. Wrong on every election prediction I made) are more qualified to judge logan than his peers? REALITY CHECK!
DJ, I have some problems with your arguments. Aside from the fact that there are plenty of relatives of mine, I wouldn’t vote for either, why is it some important what Iron’s father said.
And why is it that you put down all republicans, but give his father instant credibility.
Or to use some of the previous postings (on this boards).
1. All Republicans are liars
2. David Iron’s father is a republican
3. He says his son is a liar.
so why should I give him credibility ? :-)
Or does he get credibility because he’s anti-Irons (son).
A choice between a thief or a liar. Hmmm…um . Well I will go with the liar. With Sims you know he is going to steal your land,vote and money.
“That’s sweet of you. I mean, saying something nice about Logan is surely the sign of an incompetent politician!”
Well, here’s a short list of who hasn’t:
*Christine Gregoire (at least since December 2004)
*Jane Hague, former King County Elections Director for the past 8-12 months
*Kristin Brost (to my knowledge)
*Many (more) Republicans
*The Seattle P-I Editorial Board – read THIS for example.
*The Chronicle, Chehalis
*The Skagit Valley Herald
Josef @ 63
“I think if he was more than backstabbing family members would speak out. Try his staff, try his colleagues and try his constituents.”
But, but, but, but … I though that the whole family disolution thing began when Irons backstabbed a long-time family member by running against him????
There seems to be a parsimony issue here: Three of his family are backstabbers, or one person (Irons) has done bad things to his family. Hmmmmm…which one is the simpler (or more likely explanation)?
“The guy’s not Saddam – he doesn’t have a reign of terror (or if he does, that’s in your mind).”
Well…you might have a point there, Josef. I mean, nobody has ever accused him of torture, have they? Have they?
Josef, HAVE THEY??????? Josef?????
Comment by dj— 10/19/05 @ 9:55 pm
Well, I don’t take most of them for much credibility. I do though have to remind you that SecState Sam Reed has been moderately critical of Dean Logan and was shocked at the extent of the mess. I also believe the primary evidence* that SoundPolitics.com is posting…
*For those who forgot their social studies: Primary evidence is first-person, secondary evidence is second-person or third-person such as if Goldy or a MSM reporter reports on an event….
Comment by dj— 10/19/05 @ 10:01 pm
No. I was being sarcastic.
Josef @ 67
Why, praytell, would the Governor say anything at all about a county employee? Who give a rip what people haven’t said.
Oh…you cite a newspaper editorial? What a moron!
Oh… At least they admit to their ignorance!
“Councilor Jane Hague’s people put the website together. This is a joint op w/ the Dunn people, too.”
I had a moderate Republican friend who worked for Jane Hague when she ran KC Elections. He said she was out to lunch most of the time, and out shopping for shoes the rest of the time. At least Hague was better than GOP/KVI darling Julie Ann Kempf, who was almost as adept at running down a cop as she was preparing for an election.
If Rossi had won the Gubernatorial race by five votes after two recounts, with all the typical glitches, not a single right winger would be calling for Dean Logan’s head. Not one.
Funny how this newfound GOP love for clean elections is based purely on frustration… and a grasp on power that slipped from their boney white hands.
Comment by dj— 10/19/05 @ 10:06 pm
That same editorial said, “We don’t have the answer. But we ask because we lack full confidence that either Logan or his boss, King County Executive Ron Sims, will seize leadership to end the repeated injustice of mishandled ballots.”
Here’s another one… The county exec’s insistence on keeping Dean Logan on as elections director — or whatever — has not helped Sims present an image of decisiveness on an issue that cries out for just that.
As you can see they too want Logan fired. Obviously.
Comment by LiberalRedneck— 10/19/05 @ 10:09 pm
I was very concerned, mind you, about King County Elections during the tail end of count… wait for it… ONE.
Okay, bit about me: I have taken up the Honest Elections banner because I think the people of King County should enjoy what I enjoy in Skagit County: Namely an elected auditor who lives among us and is accountable to us.
Instead, you have an appointed auditor who lives in Olalla, Kitsap County and is accountable to… well, no one.
I don’t think that’s right and I think the people of King County – not Tim Eyman, not the legislature and not me should have the last word. It’s their future – all I can do is counsel from the sidelines and help the team I favor with $$$.
Josef @ 69–with Nothingwhatsoever about Mary Lane implied here.
“Well, I don’t take most of them for much credibility.”
Oh…I see. You don’t give credibility to the professionals (i.e. people who work in the same field as Logan). Josef, a slightly post-pubescent kid with a couple of years of “higher education” knows better.
“I do though have to remind you that SecState Sam Reed has been moderately critical of Dean Logan and was shocked at the extent of the mess. I also believe the primary evidence* that SoundPolitics.com is posting…”
Ummm…Josef. Being mildly critical is reasonable. But, Reed was critical of many other auditors as well. Reed also recognized that the transition to a new computer system hit King County the hardest because of the volume of ballots handled over a several day period. The criticism I heard by Reed didn’t seem out of line, but it wasn’t “FIRE THE BASTARD!” zelotry.
“For those who forgot their social studies: Primary evidence is first-person, secondary evidence is second-person or third-person such as if Goldy or a MSM reporter reports on an event…. “
For Josef, who forgot his SCIENCE, possession of ballot envelops is, in some sense, primary evidence. However, Sharkansky seems to be (1) doing a lot of tea-leaf reading (a.k.a. assumptions from) marks on documents that he doesn’t seem to full understand, and (2) forgetting the most important part: we need to know how many items he has inspected that are CORRECT, in order to properly understand a rate of errors. Nobody, but nobody imagines that King County (or any county) had zero errors. The important thing is documenting a _rate of error_.
So far, Sharkansky has just been posting a collection of rare oddities—the four-leaf clovers, if you will. That ain’t science. Back to 10th grade for you, son.
“What amazes me is if the Diebold software allows the database to be modified, what would have stopped anyone in KCEC from modifiying the database before reporting King County results?”
Ooo, this is rich, Puddybud. First, we have the batty conspiracy-obsessed Greens claiming Diebold is a Republican plot to overturn democracy. Now, you jump on the moonbat bandwagon to claim it’s actually a Democratic plot.
As usual, the far left and far right prove their ideologies are based more on mental illness than anything else – which is why they enjoy joining up to try and beat the few sane people left on the political battlefield.
Comment by dj— 10/19/05 @ 10:19 pm
Nice smear job. So now the marks on documents aren’t English?
I guess dj is a Democrat Underground card-carrying member or Roger Rabbit’s twin…
Comment by LiberalRedneck— 10/19/05 @ 10:20 pm
Sane people being whom?
Comment by dj— 10/19/05 @ 10:19 pm
So the markings aren’t English? Please.
I trust Shark. So should you. Why?
Well, let’s try this one: Why isn’t the Democrat Party playing turnabout here and duplicating Shark’s work product? Why are we all bracing for a low blow from Goldy instead of the latest counter-analysis?
Besides, you guys, what is so wrong about:
*Demanding no more double voters
*Demanding that only legal votes are counted
*Demanding that every vote have a voter, preferably legal
Is a rate of error so important that you have no principles regarding elections?
Josef @ 73
The Editorial, in a nutshell: “We don’t know, but were just saying! Maybe!”
“Instead, you have an appointed auditor who lives in Olalla, Kitsap County and is accountable to… well, no one.”
Comeon, Josef, don’t be so simple. That is the Kool-aid line. Of course, he is accountable. But, he is highly qualified for his position and does a damn good job–even under fire from ignorant idiots like you, who really have no clue about it.
Kudos to Sims for having the leadership and instincts to stand up to the bullshit GOP smear campaign against Logan.
Josef–shame on you for being so gullable!
Guess five minutes later I was right…
Where’s Kemper Freeman?
The biggest road building package in the history of the State of Washington would end with passage of I 912. (Also note that major environmental groups have endorsed the No on I-912 campaign because the projects are right, finally.) And where is the state’s biggest road promoter, Kemper Freeman – a man who has invested countless hours and over $1 million promoting a crackpot roadbuilding fantasy over the past several years? He’s silent – so far.
But John Carlson – Kemper’s chief promoter, is desperately attempting to steer some of Freeman’s millions into Carlson’s anti-road campaign called I-912. How so? The best clue is Carlson’s latest op-ed in the King County Journal, in which he tries to spin the I-912 campaign as an attempt to reverse the last 30 years of transportation policies that saved the shoreline of Lake Washington from becoming another I-5 and prevented new mega freeways across Puget Sound and through the foothills of the Cascades.
In his last column – Carlson attempts to paint I-912 as the key to moving Kemper’s bizarre obsession with roadbuilding to the next wacky phase – and somehow create a train wreck that would convince people to end transit funding and just build a ton more roads. Its insane, yes. But nobody knows Freeman like John Carlson. And Carlson is desperate for cash to support his latest vanity campign called I-912. He also knows that Freeman is the king of the last minute contribution. It’ll be fun to see whether old-man Freeman takes the bait this time.
In his desperation to raise cash – Carlson may also be veering the I-912 campaign into a messageless morass. The campaign has lost all focus, creating an opening for a last minute miracle that would save the state lives and billions of dollars. Everyone knows I-912 support is driven mostly by rising gas prices – even though none of the gouging does one thing to improve traffic. MSM should be on alert. The only message from a successful I-912 campaign. The reason Carlson is trying to spin a different message is to tap into Freeman’s wallet. And Freeman just might be vain enough to bite.
If Freeman were more sane on transportation subjects he’d recognize that I-912 is the biggest possible threat to realizing his transportation dreams. But its hard to blame him for making stupid and destructive judgements outside his excellent business acumen. His family has a history of extremism when it comes to politics. The old generation didn’t want any Japanese people around these parts. For the current generation, the hateful extremist passion is not having any quality transit around.
Comment by thor— 10/19/05 @ 10:30 pm
Well, David Irons is against 912. Can you believe that?!?
Guess I was right – no principles regarding elections. Used to be the Democrat Party was the guardian of the voting box against vote suppression.
Josef @ 79
“So the markings aren’t English? Please.”
So, I guess that means you haven’t actually looked at the images being posted. Holy shit, Josef, get a clue!
“I trust Shark.”
And you are an idiot for doing so. Remember SCIENCE Josef and the scientific method?
“Well, let’s try this one: Why isn’t the Democrat Party playing turnabout here and duplicating Shark’s work product?”
Huh????? Why would they? Maybe for the same reason the GOP isn’t? There is no point to it! Sharkansky is persuing this because he is mentally ill and has become obsessed like a fucking deamon! I guess he made such a fool of himself during the election contest, this is his own little penance.
“Why are we all bracing for a low blow from Goldy instead of the latest counter-analysis?”
Well, I guess with all the Logan and Sims bashing for the last 10 months, all I can say is that “one good turn deserves another.” Or is that “eye for an eye?” But, what do I know?
“I have taken up the Honest Elections banner because I think the people of King County should enjoy what I enjoy in Skagit County: Namely an elected auditor who lives among us and is accountable to us. Instead, you have an appointed auditor who lives in Olalla, Kitsap County and is accountable to… well, no one.”
First off, the County Council changed the code in 2003 requiring that the top two positions at KC Election be subject to confirmation, and Dean Logan was confirmed UNANIMOUSLY by seven Democrats and six Republicans, including Jane Hague. Better luck next time, Joseph.
Second, while I’ve read quite a few fruity things which have spewed from Joseph’s deviated mind recently,this “residency requirement” idea takes the cake. From now on, let’s all base our opinions on where somebody lives, starting with Joseph:
Joseph, the fact you live in your parents basement should disqualify you from communicating with normal and sane people.
See how easy that is?
Comment by dj— 10/19/05 @ 10:37 pm
Your lack of principles is transparent. What do you stand for?
One moment you say the scientific method, then you say “there is no point” in duplicating the results.
Again: What do you stand for?
Comment by LiberalRedneck— 10/19/05 @ 10:39 pm
Your source is apprently wrong and you know it. Logan had not in 2003 committed the errors and the like he did and others did under his command in 2004 and 5.
What do you stand for?
Well, looks like Brownie’s still making the headlines.
…
Wednesday, August 31: Much of New Orleans is underwater when a FEMA official inside the Superdome sends an urgent BlackBerry message to his boss, director Michael Brown:
“…the situation is past critical… hotels are kicking people out, thousands gathering in the streets with no food or water… estimates are many will die within hours,” writes Marty Bahamonde, who was sent to be Brown’s eyes and ears within the city.
Bahamonde tells Senate investigators he doesn’t remember getting a response to that e-mail, but later was forwarded this one, which shows Brown’s press secretary fretting about Brown’s dining plans for that evening.
“…it is very important that time is allowed for Mr. Brown to eat dinner,” she writes. “Given that Baton Rogue is back to normal, restaurants are getting busy. He needs much more [than] 20 or 30 minutes.”
…
Bahamonde expressed his frustration about the “dinner e-mail,” responding:
“OH MY GOD!!!!! Just tell her that I just ate an MRE and [went to the bathroom] in the hallway of the Superdome along with 30,000 other close friends, so I understand her concern about busy restaurants.”
…
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9756145/
Comment by LiberalRedneck— 10/19/05 @ 10:39 pm
Let me explain why you need an elected county auditor who lives in your county and hope you catch on:
*When a county auditor is elected, they have to answer to their constituents about the department.
*When a county auditor is elected, they have to actually reside in their constituency.
*When a county auditor is elected and serving a constituency, their vote is in the mix too.
*When a county auditor’s vote is in the mix along with those of their constituents, then they value the preservation of the votes cast as much as possible from fraud and other foul-ups.
Comment by LiberalDave— 10/19/05 @ 10:43 pm
He “Brownie” is the Dean Logan of FEMA.
“Well, David Irons is against 912. Can you believe that?!? ”
Looks like Irons is doing a little bit better than he did last year, when he whined and moaned about Sims cutting a road project in his district. Turns out, Irons supported the Eyman initiative that cut tens of millions out of the county road budget, including funding for his own district.
So, Irons may be a stupid zombie, but at least he learned you can’t build roads without revenues – the hard way.
Josef @ 80
“Besides, you guys, what is so wrong about:
*Demanding no more double voters
*Demanding that only legal votes are counted
*Demanding that every vote have a voter, preferably legal”
Because DEMANDING such things is uninformed. No election the size of the one in KC is without errors. This is not my opinion. This is fact. Political scientists and statisticians study error rates in elections–it is practically a whole field onto itself. People are always working on decreasing the error rate though better technology and systems. Without doubt, the error rate last year was manifold times smaller than the error rate 50 years ago.
Fortunately, the errors almost never matter. In this election, the errors did not matter. Why? Because for every error the favored Gregoire, there was an error that favored Rossi. This is known with great statistical certainty. I have the data; I’ve duplicated and verified the results found during the election contest trial.
To blame this on KC, when there were offsetting errors in almost all counties, is just plain ignorant. All counties had errors; the errors offset one another statewide. The overall error rate was low in the whole state (and in KC).
The fact that you ignore the statewide nature of the problem shows how brainwashed you have become.
“Is a rate of error so important that you have no principles regarding elections?”
Say what?
Comment by dj— 10/19/05 @ 10:47 pm
If error is okay, then principle does not matter to you.
Thanks for the conversation. Don’t worry – you’ll probably be in an upcoming David Irons press release… :-). CHEERS!
Sure, Josef, errors were made by both men. The difference is Logan’s mistakes didn’t result in the deaths of hundreds in King County.
Right you are.
I was just saying that Brownie was another Logan-type nitcompoop in the public service.
Josef @ 84
“Used to be the Democrat Party was the guardian of the voting box against vote suppression. “
Get real, Josef. What do you think the first thing Irons would do as KC Exec? He would begin systematically set up hurdles for participation by certain demographics. Do you have any doubt of this? Is this how you think a democracy should be run? I am afraid I believe you sold your soul, Josef. I guess that is the price of being young and impressionable.
Josef @ 94
“If error is okay, then principle does not matter to you.”
Nope, my naive young friend, that is not how it works. Error happen, whether I stomp my feet, hold my breath, or have a temper tantrum. You have a lot to learn, josef. You can start by suppressing your anger and try to think rationally about what was going on during the election.
“Thanks for the conversation. Don’t worry – you’ll probably be in an upcoming David Irons press release…”
What, you are not going to leave now are you? This was just getting fun!
Comment by dj— 10/19/05 @ 10:53 pm
Is this code for his opposition to felon suffrage and support for photo ID?
That aside – he starts playing unfair, I fully expect your unprincipled groups to sue his Administration. In fact, an Irons Administration would be good for you. Financially speaking, that is.
“He “Brownie” is the Dean Logan of FEMA. ”
Actually, Joseph, you probably already know the foibles of Bush’s NW FEMA appointee:
The fact is that at the time of his appointment, John Pennington knew no more about emergency management then he did brain surgery. He got the job because Jennifer Dunn Like him. Period.
Then, of course, many of us became privy to a fax sent out by Pennington’s wife, making numerous allegations against him concerning domestic violence and abuse.
The fax, from “Valerie Ann Pennington,” dated 11 June and addressed to, among others, the Governor and the State AG, and CC’d to both Senators Murray and Cantwell, was faxed to a variety of officials in both parties.
The fax says, in part, “I am the spouse of Region 10 FEMA Director, Department of Homeland Security, John Edward Pennington… on January 13, 2005, I… filed for restraining orders against my husband of fourteen years. Since that date I have filed for divorce and provided evidence to the court of a neck injury sustained during an assault from my husband on September 7, 2004. I have also provided evidence of repeated violations of existing restraining orders by Mr. Pennington, and statements from witnesses of his verbal abuse and violent temper.”
None of this has been published that I can find… but hey, it’s out there.
——————–
Just before his appointment, Pennington received a bachelor’s degree in business administration from California Coast University in Santa Ana, Calif., which at the time was an unaccredited correspondence school.
The school is now accredited.
In testimony before Congress last year, investigators for the General Accounting Office identified California Coast as a diploma mill. […] GAO special agent Paul DeSaulniers told The Seattle Times this week that his investigation showed that California Coast University sold degrees for a flat fee.
Comment by dj— 10/19/05 @ 10:56 pm
If error is okay, then principle does not matter to you.
Seriously. Genuinely. Because if principle can be weakened to the point of being meaningless, then there is no principle.
Josef @ 96
“I was just saying that Brownie was another Logan-type nitcompoop in the public service.”
Any objective evidence of that, Josef? Or, are you satisfied getting your “facts” from the uninformed folks having the temper tantrums? Really, think about it son.
Comment by dj— 10/19/05 @ 10:59 pm
I read the papers, watch TV, the like. Are you now defending “Brownie”?
Oh that’s right, you have no principles.
Josef @ 99
“Is this code for his opposition to felon suffrage”
I not exactly sure what you are getting at here. The state law is clear about re-enfranchising (recent) felons. The county cannot do anything about the state law. Additionally, the state is taking over distributing felon information in order to minimize votes by non-reenfranchised felons.
“and support for photo ID?”
That is a small part of it. Sort-of the easy, mechanical part. But, I accept that this will eventually happen. It is HOW it will be handled that will be the difference between disenfranchising some demographics or doing it in a way that maximally preserves people’s voting rights.
“That aside – he starts playing unfair, I fully expect your unprincipled groups to sue his Administration. In fact, an Irons Administration would be good for you. Financially speaking, that is.”
Not for me! I’m an independent.
Here’s the worst part: Let’s say I swallow your error… rhetoric.
What about making things better as in where’s the turnaround team, Ron? The man is incompetent and needs the King County Council – namely the same one Dean Logan hides stuff from (I have sources from the press and staffers too) – to give him AAA bond ratings and the like.
David Irons: The Last Great Hope.
[Gawd, I cannot wait for 9 November. No more of this crap. Irons Executive-Elect (we can only hope) and Dean Logan figuring out how NOT to be fired on live TV.]
Josef @ 102
“I read the papers, watch TV, the like. Are you now defending “Brownie”?
Oh that’s right, you have no principles.”
What the fuck?????? Did I mention Brownie somewhere? Are you losing it? Perhaps it is time for your meds?
Comment by dj— 10/19/05 @ 11:06 pm
Okay then I do support photo ID. $25 photo ID from the Department of Licensing (see HERE) may be a poll tax to some, and I’d like that removed. Unless idiots lose theirs.
Let’s give David Irons a fair chance. Hey, where’s the turnaround team Ron?!?
Comment by dj— 10/19/05 @ 11:08 pm
You did when you rebutted when I said, “I was just saying that Brownie was another Logan-type nitcompoop in the public service.”
No wonder nobody wants to “play” w/ me, I’m good.
Let’s try again: WHERE IS THE TURNAROUND TEAM FOR KING COUNTY ELECTIONS, RON?
Do all these threads end up serving as an outlet for JosephTroll’s obsessive-compulsive disorder? I am now firmly against Western State providing internet connections for their patients.
Josef @ 104
“Here’s the worst part: Let’s say I swallow your error… rhetoric.”
Look, josef, I am a scientist for a living, I have a Phd and I am a tenured professor at a major research university. This “error rhetoric” is not rhetoric. Really. I do this kind of statistical thing for a living, son.
“What about making things better as in where’s the turnaround team, Ron? The man is incompetent”
Here again, I hear anger talking loud and clear, and not a factual analysis. How the fuck would YOU know whether things are better in the KC elections office? I mean, KC STARTED OUT PRETTY DAMN GOOD! Sure, we found errors when the election was thrown under the microscope (but not many by the standards of other elections studied to this extent). Many of these errors will be corrected–that is the great benefit to all counties of having gone through the election contest. Most of the counties will have much better procedures in place. (Remember, many of the counties had embarassing problems during the contest).
” and needs the King County Council – namely the same one Dean Logan hides stuff from (I have sources from the press and staffers too) – to give him AAA bond ratings and the like.”
(* rolls eyes *) Well, the King County Council is in a position to do something that, now, aren’t they. That’s not your problem, really, is it? But, it sounds like more kool-aid drinking to me…
Comment by dj— 10/19/05 @ 11:19 pm
You testify in the election contest trial?
Josef @ 108
“Let’s try again: WHERE IS THE TURNAROUND TEAM FOR KING COUNTY ELECTIONS, RON?”
(* Rolls eyes again *) And, now you are an expert on how to most effectively run a county, and an elections office. What’s next Josef, are you going to design the new Boeing 787 in the next thread?
Time to push the issue w/ the HA crowd: Where is the turnaround team for King County Elections, Ron?
How do you know that your vote won’t get dilluted or go uncounted or found months later?
Josef @ 111
No, I did not. I was posting my own analyses here on HA.
Comment by dj— 10/19/05 @ 11:21 pm
In your dreams :-). Mine too. Maybe I should try that :-). (Sarcasm drool getting a bit much).
But Ron Sims promised a turnaround team for King County Elections – I’m asking: “Where is it, Ron?”
Comment by dj— 10/19/05 @ 11:22 pm
Keep on playing Dr. I’ll play principle man. Happy now?
Josef @ 113
“How do you know that your vote won’t get dilluted or go uncounted or found months later?”
Statistically, I have the odds in my favor. GREATLY in my favor.
(Ohhhh…I believe there is a verification system, too, but I’ve never tried to use it).
Rest assured, if my part of the world had nightlife, I wouldn’t be here.
Josef @ 116
“Keep on playing Dr. I’ll play principle man. Happy now? “
But, I am afraid you are playing the village idiot, son. And, sadly, a demented one at that.
Comment by dj— 10/19/05 @ 11:24 pm
You can trust statistics.
I’ll trust principles, procedures and punishments that crack down on this crap. No excuse for finding ballots – that’s like finding $$$ at a bank.
You deserve better, you know?
Time to ask again: Why doesn’t anybody care about a turnaround team for King County Elections to prevent future errors?
Comment by dj— 10/19/05 @ 11:25 pm
And why do I think the same of you?
Okay, I don’t. I enjoy the sparring and showing up.
I just want to know where you guys stand and try to get you to wake up and support choosing your own auditor.
Is there a problem with that, especially the latter?
Josef somewhere,
“Time to ask again: Why doesn’t anybody care about a turnaround team for King County Elections to prevent future errors?”
Ummm … the “turnaround” team will be on hand during the election. Yes, I am sure you would have prefered they take over, but that would likely lead to a disaster. Neither of us want that, now, do we?
Josef @ 122
“And why do I think the same of you?
Okay, I don’t. I enjoy the sparring and showing up.”
Wish I could say the same….
Ooooh….CHEAP SHOT!
Comment by dj— 10/19/05 @ 11:30 pm
And how do you know this information? :-) Maybe you have a Deep Throat somewhere.
All I’ve heard is pledges followed by stalling.
I’m coming back in the morning to see what the dirt and story is.
Maybe a turnaround team will come. Probably not. One more reason why Ron Sims simply cannot be trusted…
Josef @ 120
“You can trust statistics.
I said I was a scientist. Statistics is a useful tool, not an end unto itself or a guiding principle. It is sad that you don’t understand.
“I’ll trust principles, procedures and punishments that crack down on this crap. No excuse for finding ballots – that’s like finding $$$ at a bank.”
So, I don’t understand your principles. You seem willing to vote for someone whose own father questions his honesty against someone who has a proven track record of making the county a better place, under pretty tough financial times. Strange principles, you have.
Figures Josef was a Talmadge Democrat at one point. That guy was a loony as they come. Aside from being a stalwart monorail adherent, Talmadge’s only other mission in life was to “get Ron Sims.” It’s weird how obsession breeds obsession. That said, Josef makes for a fine little sheep, doesn’t he. Think about how many more failed politicians he will be able to “look up” to in the coming years.
“Rest assured, if my part of the world had nightlife, I wouldn’t be here. ”
If you ever got out of Sedro-Woolley, the rewards might go beyond just enjoying the nightlife, Joseph. Your ability to formulate a sane argument may improve, as well.
Is a rate of error so important that you have no principles regarding elections?
Ignoring any other problems, if King County ballot counting machines misread 1 in 2500 ballots, would you find that unacceptable?
Dearest Joseph, a little edgy again? Remember to take your meds (each and every one of them little guy). Sometimes we get caught in our ramblings, and you seem to be tongue tied and boxed in to your web of misdirection.
Dearest Joseph @124. Nightlife? At Western State Hospital? Take your meds and maybe they will let you wdalk around the grounds
Comment by Aexia— 10/20/05 @ 12:20 am
You betcha.
I cannot possibly be the only one who read this quote that was wondering about all those comments posted here in the last seven weeks that first suggested not playing the blame game, then blamed the state and local officials, then attacked the character of the poor and black, then insulted and dyssed all those they opposed and continued to flame war as a process to accept the simplest most obvious reality—
“The Federal Emergency Management Agency’s lack of planning, not the failures of state and local officials, was to blame for much of what went wrong with the government’s response to Hurricane Katrina, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff told members of Congress today.”
— Los Angeles Times,
Josef @ 58
Sorry about the name spelling.
For someone who pines for honesty — I think you have deluded yourself into thinking Irons isn’t the same as every other politician (with very very few exceptions) — of course he’s doing it. The snippet you provided says it directly.
Comment by Thomas Trainwinder— 10/20/05 @ 8:39 am
Irons is just an ordinary pol in extraordinary times, methinks. I don’t want to believe the worst about this crusader (although I have $30 of buyers’ remorse – couldn’t we have sent Mary Lane or Dino Rossi in?)
Calling yourself, “Josef for Honest Elections”, is a little like calling yourself a “Compassionate Conservative”. If you have to draw attention to the fact , then your not it!
Comment by headless lucy— 10/20/05 @ 9:14 am
It’s for the initiative before King County Voters plus my belief both the Democrat request for paper ballots and Republican requests for stopping voter fraud are good ideas…
headless lucy:If you have to draw attention to the fact , then your not it!
Just like “progressive” or “we do it for the children”.
Comment by mulesass— 10/20/05 @ 10:47 am
Just remember – the other side has no core principles. You need only read this thread.
Put differently: Error matters more than making things right.
You fucking nazis on the left look like you might be able to get the First Amendment suspended for a while on 912. Good job. You tried that shit before, and it blew up in your faces. Pissed everybody off. 912 will pass by 20 points now. Take yer goddam gas tax and shove it up the asses of you greedy fucking elites out there. Fuck all of you.
Interesting thing about the Convention Place Station for the Downtown Tunnel. The tunnel is closed, and the station, but the layover area for the buses is still active. Bus Routes are using it as an off-street layover area, and the routes pulling in are the same that were using it before the closure.
Comment by Mark The Redneck — 10/20/05 @ 4:55 pm
I was going to vote NO on every initiative, YES on the Senate Joint Resolution when that happened. I decided to vote YES for liberty and 912 as blowback.
There you go: One vote FOR 912.
Want me to vote against you? Keep going into the gutter.
Oh and maybe David Irons will support 912…
Gee, maybe calling a public supporter of your campaign a pathological liar and not sending a thank-you card can do wonders.
Josef @ 153,
Geez…I is SO worth it to lose a single vote on 912 in order to get this information. I mean, this way we can probably avoid electing a person whose family believes he is prone to violence, and whose family thinks he lies.
So, you are going to stand by your man, there, Josef? Even if he beats his mother?
Evergreenrailfan: The tracks laid out in the tunnel were not insulated. The power from the tracks will electrocute everyone around the area because the engineers on Sound Transit didn’t correctly lay out the insulation materials. So all the track must be ripped up. Also the track as I understand is not the correct type so it must be replaced. Regarding the Airport Terminus; did you all know that when you park your car to take the train to get to the airport, you can not leave your car there overnight? Ask your friends at Sound Transit. I recently learned this and it makes the project more stupid. You can’t park your car there overnight. That’s a real useful terminus.
So Clinton wasn’t in his presidency for the oil? Dick Morris says otherwise:
http://www.newsmax.com/archive.....shtml?et=y
Comment by dj — 10/21/05 @ 1:47 am
This isn’t true and you know it. We all know this.