Oh man… I wish I’d thought of this!
Homeland Security chief Michael Chertoff and FEMA director Michael Brown: make headway…
Chertoff: All I’m tryin’ to find out is what’s the guy’s name in charge of food and water.
Brown: : Oh, no, wait a minute, don’t switch ’em around. What is in charge of evacuation.
Chertoff: I’m not askin’ you who’s in charge of evacuation.
Brown: : Who is on food and water.
Chertoff: I don’t know!
Brown: : He’s in charge of media spin…now we’re not talkin’ ’bout him.
Chertoff: Now, how did I get on media spin?
Brown: : You mentioned his name!
Chertoff: If I mentioned the media spin guy’s name, who did I say is in charge of media spin?
Brown: : No…Who’s in charge of food and water.
Chertoff: Never mind food and water, I wanna know what’s the guy’s name in charge of media spin.
Brown: : No, What’s in charge of evacuation.
Chertoff: I’m not askin’ you who’s in charge of evacuation!
Brown: : Who’s in charge of food and water.
Chertoff: I don’t know!
Brown: : He’s in charge of media spin.
Chertoff: Aaah! Would you please stay on media spin and don’t go off it?
Brown: : What was it you wanted?
Chertoff: Now who’s in charge of media spin?
Brown: : Now why do you insist on putting Who in charge of media spin?
Chertoff: Why? Who am I putting over there?
Brown: : Yes. But we don’t want him there.
Chertoff: What’s the guy’s name in charge of media spin?
Brown: : What is in charge of evacuation.
Chertoff: I’m not askin’ you who’s in charge of evacuation.
Brown: : Who’s in charge of food and water.
Chertoff: I don’t know.
Brown: & Chertoff: MEDIA SPIN!!
Chertoff: You got someone in charge of fixing the levees?
Brown: : Oh yes!
Chertoff: The guy’s name?
Brown: : Why.
Chertoff: I don’t know, I just thought I’d ask you.
Brown: : Well, I just thought I’d tell you…
I have worshiped at the altar of BiPM for almost as long as he’s been doing his C & J column. Bill is the man.
Fire the SOBs. Both of ’em.
Make Marummy – yes, her the Homeland Secretary and for FEMA Joe Scarborough, who at least knows something about disaster.
But we’d probably miss his 5-star blog and THIS good entry yesterday.
Josef,
An unusually fair entry from Scarborough. But I prefer the September 5 entry here: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6210240/
With video here: http://movies.crooksandliars.c.....atrina.wmv
Wow…Smells nice in here for a change. Goldy must’ve cleaned it out after yesterday.
How come every time I try to post a comment it doesn’t show up?
Shouldn’t we focus on the suffering going on? Deal with the blame/criticism later? Clinton said it really well…(he said he would have reorganized FEMA but said that discussion should come later)…
Yes let’s blame FEMA, who was stymied by the Gov. Blanco who needed 24 hrs to make a decision on using the LA National Guard. Well someone begs to differ Goldy!
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05249/566101.stm – Remember, school buses can be mighty handy in a national crisis fitted with their special needs hardware, etc. unless you placed them in a lake!!!
CNN has the guts to tell the truth for once.
transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0509/05/ltm.01.html
Excerpt:”NAGIN: The president looked at me. I think he was a little surprised. He said, “No, you guys stay here. We’re going to another section of the plane, and we’re going to make a decision.”
He called me in that office after that. And he said, “Mr. Mayor, I offered two options to the governor.” I said — and I don’t remember exactly what. There were two options. I was ready to move today. The governor said she needed 24 hours to make a decision.
S. O’BRIEN: You’re telling me the president told you the governor said she needed 24 hours to make a decision?
NAGIN: Yes.
S. O’BRIEN: Regarding what? Bringing troops in?
NAGIN: Whatever they had discussed. As far as what the — I was abdicating a clear chain of command, so that we could get resources flowing in the right places.
S. O’BRIEN: And the governor said no.
NAGIN: She said that she needed 24 hours to make a decision. It would have been great if we could of left Air Force One, walked outside, and told the world that we had this all worked out. It didn’t happen, and more people died.
Ya know you got to love the British Press. More Goldy hogwash being debunked.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/katr.....32,00.html
When you work in Yahoo, Ariana Huffington’s picture appears on the left. Clink on the link and start your search. Looks like another retraction on NO.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/....._6643.html Randall Robinon is the brother of the late Max Robinson who lost his job as co-anchor at ABC to Peter Jennings.
But then when does Goldy really study an issue and perform the requisite research to correctly create a thread where we on the right can’t refute it. When Hurricane Ivan came by Mayor Nagin had no plan then: http://www.wwltv.com/local/sto.....02486.html
macsmind.blogspot.com/2005/09/mayor-nagin-you-have-some-explaining.html – Where were you Mayor Nagin?
So yes blame FEMA for the NO and LA incompetence. It’s the lefty thing to do!!!
Yes I thought the Goldy filter would hold my message. So in parts it comes!
Part 1: Yes let’s blame FEMA, who was stymied by the Gov. Blanco who needed 24 hrs to make a decision on using the LA National Guard. Well someone begs to differ Goldy!
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05249/566101.stm – Remember, school buses can be mighty handy in a national crisis fitted with their special needs hardware, etc. unless you placed them in a lake!!!
Part 2: CNN has the guts to tell the truth for once.
transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0509/05/ltm.01.html
Excerpt:”NAGIN: The president looked at me. I think he was a little surprised. He said, “No, you guys stay here. We’re going to another section of the plane, and we’re going to make a decision.”
He called me in that office after that. And he said, “Mr. Mayor, I offered two options to the governor.” I said — and I don’t remember exactly what. There were two options. I was ready to move today. The governor said she needed 24 hours to make a decision.
S. O’BRIEN: You’re telling me the president told you the governor said she needed 24 hours to make a decision?
NAGIN: Yes.
S. O’BRIEN: Regarding what? Bringing troops in?
NAGIN: Whatever they had discussed. As far as what the — I was abdicating a clear chain of command, so that we could get resources flowing in the right places.
S. O’BRIEN: And the governor said no.
NAGIN: She said that she needed 24 hours to make a decision. It would have been great if we could of left Air Force One, walked outside, and told the world that we had this all worked out. It didn’t happen, and more people died.
Part 3: Ya know you got to love the British Press. More Goldy hogwash being debunked.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/katr.....32,00.html
Part 4: When you work in Yahoo, Ariana Huffington’s picture appears on the left. Clink on the link and start your search. Looks like another retraction on NO.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/....._6643.html Randall Robinon is the brother of the late Max Robinson who lost his job as co-anchor at ABC to Peter Jennings.
sybil: Spam filter, it holds comments with certain keywords for screening. They won’t go thru’ till Goldy OK’s them.
Thomas: Well, unless theres something more productive to the relief effort you could be doing RIGHT NOW, its been more than enough time to analyze the situation. Its not about “Aha! I can get ’em now!’ But rather, “What caused this horrible, horrible response?” And that is certainly a valid question now.
We need to have people thinking about it, before the ADD-public gets distracted by the Bush PR-crew, or it could happen again.
So Goldy doesn’t like Ariana Huffington’s blog or Randall Robinson or is it the link?
So, did you see that picture of all the school buses partially submerged in the New Orleans flood water?
http://www.hogonice.com/Pixes/bushschoolbuses.jpg
I have heard that President Bush and Karl Rove were seen in the parking lot slashing the tires so the buses could NOT be used to evacuate the poor, elderly and infirm.
But we won’t play the blame game.
Part 4: When you work in Yahoo, Ariana Huffington’s picture appears on the left. Clink on the link and start your search. Looks like another retraction on NO.
www . huff ing ton post . com / ran dall – robin son / new – orleans _ b _ 6643 . html
Randall Robinon is the brother of the late Max Robinson who lost his job as co-anchor at ABC to Peter Jennings.
Goldy doesn’t like the Huffington blog link When you work in Yahoo, Ariana Huffington’s picture appears on the left. Clink on the link and start your search. Looks like another retraction on NO. The link goes here Randall Robinon is the brother of the late Max Robinson who lost his job as co-anchor at ABC to Peter Jennings.
Gody you filter on Peter Jennings? Hmmm…
When you work in Yahoo, Ariana Huffington’s picture appears on the left. Clink on the link and start your search. Looks like another retraction on NO.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/....._6643.html Randall Robinon is the brother of the late Max Robinson who lost his job as co-anchor at ABC to P E T E R J E N N I N G S
Part 4 is lost in the filter system. Max Robinson said people were c a n n i b a l s in the Superdome. A lie!
Part 4 is stopped because P e t e r J e n n i n g s name is in context.
its funny how puddy, who was all about criticizing Nagin 5 days ago, all of a sudden treats him like a saint presenting gospel.
PS: We know Bush says she didn’t ask for help. Someone else saying He said she didn’t ask for help just isn’t impressive. Also, that Guardian article, while interesting, doesn’t really refute anything that Goldy was saying (for those who are literate, its just saying some of the crimes reported were exaggerated rumors). Typical of you to pretend it did tho.
Part 5: But then when does Goldy really study an issue and perform the requisite research to correctly create a thread where we on the right can’t refute it. When Hurricane Ivan came by in 2004 Mayor Nagin had no plan then: http://www.wwltv.com/local/sto.....02486.html
macsmind.blogspot.com/2005/09/mayor-nagin-you-have-some-explaining.html – Where were you Mayor Nagin?
So yes blame FEMA for the NO and LA incompetence. It’s the lefty thing to do!!!
Winded: It was your side who was trumpeting these false claims last week. Please demonstrate that Goldy placed a thread refuting these claims. Now that the British are debunking it you change your tune? Sad winded sad! Typical LESTIST PINHEAD cover your ass thinking when the light of day appears on your rants. And you expect normal thinking people to forget these lies perpetrated by the MSM?
JC Bob: Others placed aerial reconnaisance photos that depict the buses in a worse light. You can count all of them. Maybe ROger Rabbit parked them there so he could hop from bus to bus spawning more little bunnies and stay dry!!!
@17 puddy, you goofball… Its not his job to refute them. Its not a journalist site.
Unless there was a claim from Goldy like “OMG RAPE GANGS! It must be Bush and Rove!”, the Guardian article is irrelevant.
The real interview of Nagin is much more interesting than this nonsense, but why print truth when fiction is more fun? Oh, that’s right- it doesn’t support the leftist view. You guys need to make up stuff to prove that you are right.
BTW, Nagin doesn’t come off looking like a peach in the interview. He says he did everything except scream and cry to get his citizens to evacuate. A bus and a plan would have probably been more useful.
Comment by Another TJ— 9/6/05 @ 7:43 am
Thanks for the link. I like Obermann (sp?) too.
Now if I had Comcast (like my grandmother) instead of Wavecable or if only Wavecable would get MSNBC…
MSNBC R-O-C-K-S!
Even better is the link on CNN video (free one) w/ General Honore calling BS (literraly). Search for video of general, you’ll find it.
(ps, Goldy, he’s a Fed (US Army)…i think you love the feds, right?)
Not sure where swearing Mayor and crying Gov are…?
Shit, I spoke too soon. The trolls have moved in and the place is starting to STINK again!
Tj @ 3
I agree with you, I think Olbermann summed up the sentiments of many people pretty well last night:
“But, nationally, these are leaders who won re-election last year largely by portraying their opponents as incapable of keeping the country safe. These are leaders who regularly pressure the news media in this country to report the reopening of a school or a power station in Iraq, and defies its citizens not to stand up and cheer. Yet they couldn’t even keep one school or power station from being devastated by infrastructure collapse in New Orleans — even though the government had heard all the “chatter” from the scientists and city planners and hurricane centers and some group whose purposes the government couldn’t quite discern… a group called The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers.
And most chillingly of all, this is the Law and Order and Terror government. It promised protection — or at least amelioration — against all threats: conventional, radiological, or biological.
It has just proved that it cannot save its citizens from a biological weapon called standing water.”
This is what particularly incenses me, that these so-called “leaders” pretended to be better guarantors of our safety than their competitors during the 2004 campaigns. And now, when they have a real “accountability moment,” they shift the blame onto others, or claim that criticism should be saved for later. Notwithstanding the fact that blame does seem to need to be shared on the state and local level, the person ultimately responsible for the actions the federal government takes is the President. So far, his behavior have seemed to be dispassionate, and his actions too few and too late.
More reasons to blame FEMA:
sistertoldjah.com/archives/2005/09/04/disastrous-disaster-response-from-local-and-state-la-officials/
I just luv the Internet. Still working just like the Eveready Bunny.
Watch for Hillary to announce she’s running and picking Honore as her VP choice…
re 8: Who called out the guard in Little Rock in 1954? Hint: It was’nt Orville Faubus!
Dr E. I have no beef with some of your commentary in #23. The water hazard was compounded by no effectual local response. Will you agree to tha? My beef is with LEFTIST PINHEADS who only look at FEMA. When all the cards are played, it will show that the LA and NO disaster plans sucked and this chaos is what probably led to the FEMA meltdown.
Take a minute and evaluate the difference in response of Jeb Bush handling the four 2004 hurricanes and how “Moon” Blanco (the moon is for Mary Landrieu’s relative) handled this one hurricane crisis. When your side will fess up to the local incompentent flakes who started the mess, how can any fed system come in and operate around chaos?
Headless, thanks for mentioning another Governor who abdicated responsibility
aarrrghhh…
Mr Loocy: What the Fuck does the Civil Rights Movement have with this? Are you at school today typing on school property wasting tax payer monies again? What Victoria Secret material are you wearing today Mr Loocy?
So to set your sorry male ass straight I went to the Internet to investigate. Somewhere you may find this excerpt: “When nine black high school students arrived to attend Central High, they were met by an angry crowd. Despite his pledges of cooperation, the governor of Arkansas, Orval Faubus, in fact, ordered the Arkansas National Guard to keep the black students, known as the “Little Rock Nine,” out of the school. Faced with this defiance of a federal court order, President Dwight Eisenhower responded by sending troops from the 101st Airborne to Little Rock with orders to protect the nine students. Eisenhower also federalized the Arkansas National Guard. This marked the first time since Reconstruction that federal troops were sent to the South. This incident was the first of several in which the governor of a state refused to ensure a peaceful process of integration and thereby forced the President of the United States to act.”
Loocy UR1DM! You are one dumb moron!
As I was folding yesterday’s laundry, I had this thought: Loocy I hope you don’t teach dem chirren about poly sci or history. If you do you are one sorry ass teacher. I as a trained engineer can easily refute your rants through careful Internet searches, whay lies are you perpetrating on those young Seattle school chirren? I hope you don’t teach science because the students would think aluminum triiodide is something edible. I hope you teach them engrish or sumtin else. Is your school one of those that failed to meet WASL and Ted Kennedy’s no chile left behind standards? Hmmm…? I wonder!
rujax: If we keep em’ spewing there paid-by-the-word hate here, maybe we can keep the rightie trolls from somewhere they could actually do harm.
Its not like anyones ignorant enough here to take the slimeballs seriously anyways.
i’m not sure this particular topic leads to love and happy feelings…
Almost everyone on this board, the MSM and many pols on both sides are calling for the heads of DHS and FEMA. We can all agree that bureaucratic bungling of this sort is “unacceptable”.
What I find interesting is that the HAs on this board also justified and excused the bureaucratic incompetence of Dean Logan and KCE after the election debacle. I’ll be the first to agree that the Katrina disaster is worse than just screwing up an election, but shouldn’t the same standards apply?
So if you moonbats have no tolerance for bureaucratic bungling, how do you reconcile crucifying Chertoff and Brown while giving Dean Logan a free pass?
Yeah winded paid by the word hate. I would be a millionaire if that be true. But since George Soros pays your salary why do you care? Yeah winded, like people eating dead people to live, a baldface lie. Yeah winded, like waiting to mobilize the National Guard 24 hours so more po black and hispanics can die due to lack of decision making. Yeah winded, like leaving buses in a flood plain so they are unusable. Yeah winded, knowing the Superdome is an evacuation location and not responding to Hurricane Ivan in 2004 with a plan to have supplies for 10,000s of people stored for emergencies. Yeah winded, not providing boats in city locations for water evacuations of low lying areas. Need I say more winded?
thanks for the nickname, puddy :)
Thats another old rightie trick that doesn’t work anyomre, by the way. I know its hard, but even poor idiot-trolls need to come up with their OWN ideas sometimes. Just putting what we say back to them is pretty sad.
All your (surprisingly hard to read) blather is irrelevant. Prove how the guardian article disproves something *Goldy* said. Otherwise, your whole rant is pointless.
“But the democrats…” doesn’t work anymore, “I’m rubber and you’re glue” doesn’t work anymore, and “Lets talk about something else entirely!” barely works at all anymore. Tell me puddy, what’re you and your troll-cronies gonna do when you run out of stupid internet tricks and have to actually try to address the issues straight on? Will you fold up your tents in the night like PBJ did, or keep repeating the same gimmicky-gibberish ad-nauseum like Cynical?
So, what do *you* think about Brown, Puddybud? Thats the point of the thread after all, if we strip away all your distraction tactics and dirty tricks…
Mark-Well, to start at least Dean Logan had a resume fitting for the job. He did inhereit a mess, the question here is to change horses because he hadn’t completely fixed the mess and start over or let him fix it now.
With Brown,he does not have any qualifications what so ever for this and I doubt he will be able to restore confidence given his track record pretaining to this disaster so far. We need someone withe the resume of a Colin Powell to rebuild the gulf.
The other difference is FEMA responsibility is saving and repairing shattered lives.
33 – The error rate in the 2004 election in King County was lower than in the country as a whole and lower than some other Rossi-leaning counties in WA State.
Always room for improvement, but despite some embarassments that were played up to the hilt by the wingnuts, KC did an OK job.
By 2006 the problems of 2004 will be a distant memory. There will be a state-wide database in use to weed out felons and deceased people.
Windie; actually the real topic is, “is anyone, (and if so who) to blame for the follow up to this NATURAL disaster.”
This isn’t about bungling.
This is about politics.
Rs pretend Ds can’t hold elections.
Ds pretend Rs can’t handle disasters.
Truth is it’s all partisan crap leveled at the other party. Both are equally inept and culpable. The real problem is politics overtakes everything. Sad, really.
how do you reconcile crucifying Chertoff and Brown while giving Dean Logan a free pass?
Leaving aside the obvious error of claiming that Logan gets a “free pass,” this about sums up the difference:
http://news.nationalgeographic.....ering.html
TJ – I agree. Katrina is way worse. Nobody died in KCE. So there’s a difference in scale. My point is that Dean Logan is equally incompetent to heads of DHS and FEMA.
What are Bush, Chertoff, and Brown going to do about all the deadly chemicals and biological materials that are coverning so much of New Orleans and the surrounding area? Especially all of the dihydrogen monoxide.
http://www.dhmo.org/dihydrogen-monoxide/
Dihydrogen Monoxide (DHMO)
What is Dihydrogen Monoxide?
Dihydrogen Monoxide:
The dangers, uses and potential threats posed by this chemical, Dihydrogen Monoxide, are widespread, and some feel, terrifying.
Here is just a small taste of what Dihydrogen Monoxide (DHMO) is:
* Some call Dihydrogen Monoxide the “Invisible Killer”
* Others think dihydrogen monoxide should be Banned
* Dihydrogen Monoxide is linked to gun violence
* Dihydrogen monoxide was found at every recent school shooting
* Athletes use DIHYDROGEN MONOXIDE, or DHMO, to enhance performance
* Dihydrogen Monoxide has been found in our rivers, lakes, oceans and streams
* Dihydrogen Monoxide is a major component of acid rain
Thousands die each year after inhaling dihydrogen monoxide
* Dihydrogen Monoxide can be deadly
Find out the truth about Dihydrogen Monoxide
If you could read windie, I already answered the Brown question in another thread, so go read bud! Goldy implements the retread and rehash of the same news method so why do I have to answer it again. Perform a Google search on me and Brown. I know you have that talent, windie.
I asked you to prove that Goldy has created a thread that said: “Some of the initial stories from NO and LA are proven untrue.” Now dj and his ilk will come onboard implement the FU epithet and say “This is Goldy’s blog and he’ll write what he wants.” Well if Goldy was a true American, he would stand up and say this is incorrect. Living and perpetuating a lie is the Gold Standard of the Left!!! But it’s his blog and we know where his yellow stripe lays.
Regarding name calling, you all implemented it upon MoveOn orders circa. 2002 election cycle. Does Harold Ickies ring a bell? Ding ding, ding ding! So my saying that you are a well paid card carrying moonbat donk of George Soros does stick! Ideas? We proved that donk tribe has no new ideas, continues to implement the same playbook of years gone by and wonders why the electorate rejects them in national elections. Wait George Soros did have an idea. Let’s decriminalize drugs. Yeah, that’s the ticket!!
I implement stoopid Internet (windie, Internet is a proper noun so you capitalize it) tricks? Ha ha ha ha. No I know how to search, and look up information your side hoped goes buried. When John F. Kerry was held up to his words of years gone he was shocked by the Internet. Later in 2004 what did his campaign do, cut it self from the Daily Kos. I was hoping someone would remember this but again the Pudster has to edumicate y’all on the Kos. http://www.wired.com/news/cult.....ry_related
So in closing windie you can spew all the hatred you want. I just implement the Internet Clean Tricks squad to flush out your toilet water!
RP: DMHO is used as a solvent to take sports creams and other generally used topically stuff and get it into the body through your epidermal layers faster. I wonder what the Balco creme was made of? You knew that Loocy? I hope you are not teaching that as a wrestling coach!
Windie: Since you love asking me questions, let me ask you one. Your side since the Great Utopia (oops… Society) experiment of the 60s has said: “Vote for me, and we’ll make sure government takes care of you.” So what is the motivation for people to look after themselves with free handouts? Ray Nagin was voted in and what did his government do? Swear on national TV about why he’s imcompetent? No, He swears on national TV that it’s not his fault he didn’t plan after Ivan in 2004 and he didn’t manage it correctly. Kathy Blanco was voted in and what did she do? She dithered for 24 hours about sending in the National Guard while po poeple died. It’s FEMAs fault she can’t make decisions? Hmmm…?
So if the local and state governments told the populace a lie that they will take care of them (read the NO emergency ordinance windie), why are you holding up FEMA as the bad guys when I already posted a link saying FEMA is not the first responders to any national disaster crisis?
Sorry windie, I asked two questions. But both are relevant to today’s arguments!!!!
I would whole heartedly support a Goldy thread that discussed the transportation bill and taking 20-$30 Billion of pork projects and using that money to rebuild NO. What say you Goldy?
Here’s a great example of competence:
Secretary of Homeland Security Michael Chertoff said it all, starting his news briefing Saturday afternoon: “Louisiana is a city that is largely underwater…”
Here’s a great examples of setting priorities:
Lord knows, no one is suggesting that we should ever prioritize levee improvement for a below-sea-level city, ahead of $454 million worth of trophy bridges for the politicians of Alaska.
burdon of proof isn’t on us, puddy-troll. Nice to see you’re still throwing our words back at us verbatim. Still wont work. (oh, by the way, you have to had noticed that I’m mega-lax with my capitalizations anyways, and calling people on spelling or grammar is a good way to forfeit an argument… a defacto admission that you have nothing to the point to argue)
Also, you’re confusing water (from RP’s joke) with DMSO, dumbass.
Richard Pope; you ask where is Bush regarding toxics after the storm?
Why did you omit the locals in that? I mean is George also the only guy responsible for dogpoop in the parks?
Clueless; safe to say New Orleans and Louisiana (and corrupt politicians) have milked a lot more out of the system than Alaska ever will.
puddy: Nope, not relevant. You saying that doesn’t make it so.
Here’s a hint: We were talking about Brown and Chertoff, and the funny little sketch above.
Just for you, however, I’ll repeat myself from before: Mistakes on the local and state level don’t lessen the mistakes on the national level. Bush & Co. screwed up MASSIVELY, and any mistakes by the Governor or mayor don’t change that in the last.
See, puddy, thats the mistake you make. You frame your arguments from the assumption we’re like you. Alot of us simply don’t have the slavish party loyalty you do. To you, proving that your party wrong would be like proving you wrong, and therefore unacceptable. To many of the lefties on here, we’re not beholden to the Dems at all, and we know that they’re capable of error too.
So if you want to make progress in your little crusade of PR, you might try to find evidence that Bush did nothing wrong (HAH! Good luck!) rather than going after the democrats.
Just a bit of friendly advice :)
argh: “In the last” == “in the least”
Windie: Okay DMSO, Dimethylsulfoxide, you are right. My bad. I stand corrected. Forfeiting an argument, Al Gore says the Internet is a government treasure in so many words and he capitalizes it? Why not you, since he too is a card carrying George Soros worshipper?
Regarding burden of proof. It’s in color photographs. Where be dem buses? What did the mayor implement? It’s in the CNN report. Damn you are as clueless as clueless and clueless is only living up to his karma. Here is a level headed response, unlike Goldy and his HA lefty cronies: http://www.postchronicle.com/c.....nage.shtml
Da NO Hurricane Disaster Plan: http://www.cityofno.com/portal.....8;tabid=26. Your commentary windie and clueless have proven to me that you didn’t read where the mayor says he’s in charge.
“Under the direction of the Mayor, the Office of Emergency Preparedness will coordinate activities in accordance with the Comprehensive Emergency Management Plan to assure the coordination of training programs for all planning, support, and response agencies.”
“The Director of the Office of Emergency Preparedness shall continue to exercise all levels of the City government in emergency preparedness and response operations. Annually, a minimum of one full?scale functional exercise that utilizes all levels of City government shall be conducted. This functional exercise shall include the Mayor, elected and appointed officials, independent authorities, and such non?governmental agencies as shall be determined appropriate. ”
“Under the direction of the Mayor, the Office of Emergency Preparedness will coordinate activities in accordance with the Comprehensive Emergency Management Plan to assure the coordination of training programs for all planning, support, and response agencies. Departments, authorities, agencies, municipalities, and all private response organizations bear the responsibility of ensuring their personnel are sufficiently trained.”
“The Office of Emergency Preparedness shall conduct hurricane briefings and training sessions with the Mayor and his staff, Department Heads, municipal officials and all other governmental and private emergency response agencies.”
“7. In the event of a major emergency, activate and man the ESF?14, Public Information, and its media?center within the Emergency Operations Center, and operate it under protocols to be established in conjunction with the Mayor’s Office and the Office of Emergency Preparedness. ”
“General evacuations that may result from an approaching hurricane will be ordered by the Mayor of the City, upon the recommendation of the Director of the Office of Emergency Preparedness. The area affected by the warning may range from blocks and portions of neighborhoods, to the entire city. ”
There is much more the mayor claims to perform but I suggest you read it. So I am implementing Internet tricks again?
No Mayor Nagin didn’t do his job because Mike Brown of FEMA tied his hands. Yeah, that’s the ticket.
No Mayor Nagin didn’t do his job because he met the President on the plane. Yeah that’s the ticket.
No Mayor Nagin didn’t do his job because he wasn’t sure the hurricane was coming. The President didn’t call to warn him? Lie.
No Mayor Nagin didn’t do his job because he lied saying he would get the indigent out of harms way.
No Mayor Nagin didn’t do his job because his people warned on July 24, 2005 that the NO populace, they were on their own.
What Internet tricks did I use for that commentary windie?
Another trapped in purgatory.
No Mayor Nagin didn’t do his job because Mike Brown of FEMA tied his hands. Yeah, that’s the ticket.
Mike Brown of FEMA is being trapped?
No Mayor Nagin didn’t do his job because … is being trapped
So Goldy is now trapping M a y o r N a g i n? Wow Goldy i’m impressed with your up-to-date skillz.
No M a y o r N a g i n didn’t do his job because Mike Brown of FEMA tied his hands. Yeah, that’s the ticket.
No M a y o r N a g i n didn’t do his job because he met the President on the plane. Yeah that’s the ticket.
No M a y o r N a g i n didn’t do his job because he wasn’t sure the hurricane was coming. The President didn’t call to warn him? Lie.
No M a y o r N a g i n didn’t do his job because he lied saying he would get the indigent out of harms way.
No M a y o r N a g i n didn’t do his job because his people warned on July 24, 2005 that the NO populace, they were on their own.
What Internet tricks did I use for that commentary windie?
It’s okay Goldy. I now save eveything I post first so if you decide to kill it I still have the thoughts.
more righty tricks, rather than internet.
Reread my last post: Proving that Nagel or whatsername the Governor messed up doesn’t make Bush blameless. I can’t put it any more clearly than that.
the ‘net thing is irrelevant, but… please, does it really matter beyond a way for you to say ‘hah! you’re wrong!’? If my typing style is impossible to comprehend, complaints are valid. Otherwise, its back to same-ol’, same-ol’… Changing the subject.
Thank you on the DMSO thing, tho’ ;)
ah, semi related, another liberal hero
NATIONAL
‘Mr. Smooth’ shows rough side ; Embattled Broussard sticks to his guns
Manuel Torres East Jefferson bureau
1,591 words
17 July 2005
Times-Picayune
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© 2005 The Times Picayune. Provided by ProQuest Information and Learning. All rights reserved.
In Jefferson Parish political circles, they often call him “Mr. Smooth.”
Parish President Aaron Broussard has earned the nickname over 30 years of public service during which his calm demeanor, quick wit and artful negotiating skills have given him a reputation as a slick politician
maybe i like this guy
Broussard said he is trying to bring attention to serious flaws in the state evacuation plan. And he said he directly criticized Blanco, whom he supported in the 2003 governor’s race, because of what he called her “betrayal.” He said Blanco privately supported him during a phone conversation hours after he called for an evacuation July 8, only to publicly criticize Jefferson’s actions the following Monday.
“She kissed my butt on Friday and kicked my butt on Monday. I felt I had been betrayed,” Broussard said. “Aaron Broussard, by my proven record, is a consensus builder. But if you tell me one thing privately and another thing publicly, I will respond.”
Did I say that FEMA is blameless? No, I said the initial blame falls on the mayor and the governor. Righton just proved my point. Looks like I could learn something about Internet searches from righton!
Distribute blame as you want to, but I feel we sould be helping them with contributions.
Mr. Loocy, did your school Internet master pay you a visit yet?
I’m trying to find the Times-Picayune article from July where city was distributing CDs to inner city folks, telling them “you are on your own in the event of a big one”. They didn’t send it out in time (plus how many dirt poor people have computers and cd readers?)
full disclosure; this my first source from the right wing conspiracy machine (fox). I know you libs thing we get orders from on high, but 99.99% of the time our material is so darn obvious…
you’re not fooling anyone, either of you. The reason to continually hammer on Blanco and Nagel is to distract people from What Bush and his Cronies did.
Why are you so insistant on talking about something we can’t change, and which has little or no direct effect on us if thats not the case?
Mismanagement and incompetence of/in DHS and FEMA by the administration could effect WA state. Corruption or incompetence in Louisiana has little directon us here.
This getting through to you? We should focus on the mistakes that could hurt us, not the mistakes that have nothing to do with us.
Not that you really care. Must… Protect… King… George!
More from Broussard versus Blanco….(same Times-Picayune story)
Broussard exploded. On Tuesday, he sent Blanco a stinging four- page letter in which he criticized her handling of Hurricane Ivan’s evacuation, told the governor that “your (evacuation) plan” lacked common sense, and said he would not become “a mindless robot” and would pull out of the state’s plan rather than “endanger” Jefferson’s residents.
Blanco did not directly respond to Broussard but told reporters Tuesday: “I think right now emotions are high and everybody’s justifying their decisions.”
Broussard, in his interview for this story, continued his criticism of Blanco.
“She is scared, politically, that if she has to admit that the new plan is flawed, that would be two consecutive flawed evacuation plans,” he said, in reference to the current plan and the previous contraflow plan, which was created before Blanco took office
Windie; thanks. Since i can’t do anything about Blanco’s screwups, guess I should save my charity money and buy provisions for my house?
@62 don’t try to turn it around, you pig.
I’m appalled that you even thought that particular twisting of words was even remotely acceptable.
This has nothing to do with any aid you’ve given, and you know it. Its about fixing the problems now, and holding people accountable. We can do neither in reference to the people in Louisiana. We can do both (or try) in the federal case.
Windie; is it ok then if they ask for DOJ review of our voting screwups?
64 – nice way to change the subject wrong one.
1678 votes screwed up out of what 2.8 million cast?
For your reading….A pretty fair rundown of ‘what went wrong’ from the BBC…. I would also point you to today’s Wall Street Journal, but it’s subscription. An excellent article on FEMA’s and DHS problems, which were and are numerous.
Windie: I see your point, and we should be asking hard questions on the federal response, but you can’t take an analysis of what went wrong without looking at the whole picture. Looking at where there were failures on the local and state level will only help us here to learn what we need to do locally. Again, every level failed.
Again, every level failed.
Nice try to deflect scrutiny of Mike Brown, FEMA and
Michael Chertoff:
“Louisiana is a city that is largely underwater…”
Hey hey guys, stop this crying about our worthless election. This is about the “supposed” FEMA screwups.
Righton, the article is crosslinked from one I placed Saturday night. The original article was not Internet sourced.
I am crossreferencing some searches right now. Let you know later.
68 – How many Republicans got elected in the “worthless” election. Apparently not enough – a majority is a measure of true “worth”.
So maketh up Puddy Freep.
See Jon, their hatred has clouded their mind. Like the gases from delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol. You know about this right clueless? It’s in your karma. It’s got to be the chemicals right? C-21 H-30 O-2 How else can we explain these comments?
@66 the problem is, people are using local screwups to smokescreen for federal ones. Errors in LA matter to those people as far as they distract from Bush, FEMA, and DHS.
Thats just not right.
Here we go again clueless. Smoke some weed and chill out man! When the heat rises in the kitchen, he calls me a freep. So I guess I will start visiting free republic site and break the code of silence I placed myself in after the guy died from his lack of a transplant last month. So clueless I will now visit their site BECAUSE you accuse me of it I must now do it. Thanks for removing the shackles.
Bullshit windie. Blame goes around everywhere. If you can’t see the udder chaos of the NO mayor U B Blind!!!
This is quoted from today’s News Tribune, in an article by Jennifer Loven of the AP:
“Blanco has refused to sign over control of the National Guard to the federal government and has turned to a Clinton administration official, former FEMA chief James Lee Witt, to help run relief efforts.”
If she’s refused to sign the control over to the very people she and others are blaming for the problems, tell me that’s not a political witch hunt.
I’m more worried about 2,3,7,8-tetrachlorodibenzo-p-dioxin…
But thats just me, most likely
@73
missing the point again. I know, I know.
what I said was: YOU DON’T GIVE A DAMN, except that those screwups by the mayor and governor make Bush look better by comparison (well in your mind anyways…)
Smile for the camera, wingnuts!
Clueless Soros Money Launderer: You all know I love to search the Internet. And the search fun starts now!
Here you go d i p s h i t s: Asked why Northcom hadn’t reponded to Hurricane Katrina more quickly, [Lt. Commander Sean Kelly, a Pentagon spokesman for Northern Command] accidentally told the truth: Northcom started planning before the storm even hit….We had the USS Bataan sailing almost behind the hurricane so once the hurricane made landfall, its search and rescue helicopters could be available almost immediately So, we had things ready.
The only caveat is: we have to wait until the president authorizes us to do so. The laws of the United States say that the military can’t just act in this fashion; we have to wait for the president to give us permission.
His permission was given here lefty dipshits: http://www.defenselink.mil/new....._2576.html
For more entertaining reading about military stuff: http://www.qando.net/details.aspx?Entry=2515 – GBS, you know about this blog?
So in honor of clueless, of the ye of little minds, do you really want me to search more? Yes he says. Read and weep. More lies from the left debunked by our military working from the end of August. http://www.powerlineblog.com/
But wait there’s more: “NY Times editorial 13 April 2005:
Anyone who cares about responsible budgeting and the health of America’s rivers and wetlands should pay attention to a bill now before the Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works. The bill would shovel $17 billion at the Army Corps of Engineers for flood control and other water-related projects — this at a time when President Bush is asking for major cuts in Medicaid and other important domestic programs. Among these projects is a $2.7 billion boondoggle on the Mississippi River that has twice flunked inspection by the National Academy of Sciences.
The Government Accountability Office and other watchdogs accuse the corps of routinely inflating the economic benefits of its projects. And environmentalists blame it for turning free-flowing rivers into lifeless canals and destroying millions of acres of wetlands — usually in the name of flood control and navigation but mostly to satisfy Congress’s appetite for pork.
This is a bad piece of legislation.”
Also carried in the Dredging News Online: Yoo know Karma Clueless Soros Money Launderer, they be dredging to remove all the shit you sling! http://www.sandandgravel.com/n.....sp?v1=8305
I just love it when my Internet search plan comes together. What Hannibal of the A-Team would say in 2005.
Windie: You missed the point completely. You like to blame from the top down. I blame from the bottom up. When you write a program do you write it from the top down and end up with spaghetti code or do you write functions and procedures first and determine if the structures, call by value or reference linkages are in the master shell? You tell me blamer from the top down!
@91
Wow, you’re getting all techy on me Puddy! I suppose I should be impressed…
But, no. I’ve said it before, but I’ll keep saying it until it gets through to you.
The topic is about FEMA and DHS (and by extension the process that got their incompetent directors appointed), not state and local. Further, what went wrong at the local level in Louisiana isn’t of that great import to us, unless you can apply it to our local politics.
I understand your arguments, but dispute your motives. Also, your massive inability to keep on-topic says something to me about the strength of your arguments…
talking about the failings of Washington state disaster preparedness would be a little relevant, but I don’t expect much…
IE you can’t weasel out of this one, buddy.
To place blame on local and state authorities is senseless and being intellectually dishonest. No strike that; it’s just being plain dishonest with the express purpose of deflecting blame where it squarely belongs — on the federal level.
In a disaster on the scope the breadth of hurricane Katrina, local government was overwhelmed and essentially collapsed during the height of the storm. Louisiana, as a state had such widespread destruction that within 24-48 hours Katrina overwhelmed their capabilities. The best laid plans of local and state government would not have stopped this from happening based on the sheer magnitude of the destruction. This is when FEMA steps in, the Federal Emergency Management Agency. What part of Federal Emergency Management is so elusive to Republican?
If there was ever a time since 9/11 that needed Emergency Management on a massive federal scale, this was it.
What was clearly demonstrated is that FEMA and Homeland Security are grossly mismanaged. Bush created and appointed DHS, and appointed the leaders at FEMA. This is solely his responsibility.
We’ve spent billioins and billions of dollars on these two department post 9/11 in the interest of national security. Is this the level of incompetence we bought? Where are the fiscal “conservatives” who bitch about a 9 cent per gallon gas tax in crease when this kind of money, their money, was squandered by the Republicans?
The lack of preparedness on the federal level makes us all more vulnerable to a terrorist attack in the future for three reasons. First and foremost, it will embolden Al Qaeda to strike again, and soon. They now know we are still totally unprepared for the aftermath of another attack. Second, that they now know that causing a flood is the optimum result for the next attack.
Last, it will get widespread coverage world wide for weeks and possibly months like 9/11 did.
The governor of LA officially requested aid two days before the hurricane struck. It was almost a week later before the federal government responded on location with significant impact. In Florida, the federal response came much faster in the run up to the 2004 elections. It didn’t hurt that the governor of Florida was a Republican, oh yeah, and Bush’s brother. I guess being a Democratic governor of Louisiana meant punishment by this administration. When Florida was hit in August of ’04 I don’t recall Bush eating cake, staying on vacation or playing the gee-tar!
The truest failure here is at the federal level and it stops with Bush. It is his policy decisions and his appointments to high level positions that have created the atmosphere of failure. Therefore, we must have extreme suspicion of every person he has appointed to high offices and persons he will nominate now and into the future for high office. Bush’s decision making capabilities must come in to question as we review his choices.
In the end, the biggest failure will come next November if the American public reelects this incompetent congress again and send a “vote of no confidence” to Bush.
Even the Canucks ‘get it’
84 – you never left.
Shamelessly stolen from another comment thread:
This schoolbus thing is just idiotic. I suppose we could have every school bus driver in America be a full-time employee who lives in a dorm next to the bus yard and is tied into a sophisticated communications system and goes to disaster and evacuation training every month. The fact that we can barely pay part-time drivers $10/hr and no benefits makes me think this plan is unlikely. In some locations, the bus services are private, and good luck getting those guys to show up in a disaster. It’s a lot more efficient to have a pool of trained, equipped, on-call people within each larger community, e.g. the National Guard. That’s what they’re for. Too bad so many of them were being used to fight foreign wars, and the rest were incompetently staged when they were most needed.
Gosh puddy, I wonder why it is that the very same hurricane was managed so much more efficiently, without mayhem and looting in Alabama and Mississippi?
Same storm.
Same water.
Same winds.
Same population demographics.
OHHHHH, I know… their Governors actually governed instead of cried; their Governors declared a state of emergency in a timely manner, instead of cried; their governors instituted the emergency plans the prepared, instead of cried.
And when exactly did things start truning around in NO??? Oh yes, when that big bad “John Wayne” showed up to take some control
Do-ers vs Criers
Pink vs Grey
Take charge vs hear me whine
The sad part is, I truly believe our own illegitimate queen christine can cy and whine right along with the best of them (ahem Gov, Blanco)
O
well-named-ass.
Because, of course, the damage in Alabama was totally equivalent to the damage in New Orleans.
Talk about totally invalid comparisons…
I think it’s safe to say Crying Governor Blanco will have a tough re-election campaign come 2007 (if she doesn’t resign in disgrace, first) – I suspect the good and horrible let down citizens of Louisiana will see the need for a capable, calm, non-crying grown up.
well-named-ass.-
Comment by windie— 9/6/05 @ 1:48 pm
Thank you, I agree. Tell me again what makes you proudly be one? That seems to be ONE of the many questions you kiddies refuse to answer.
It’s sad reading the comments on this site and from the guy who writes this site that there is so little willingness on the part of anyone who leans to the left to admit that ultimately everyone must take some responsibility for themselves and their actions.
Why no frank discussion of what was done or not done by the officials of New Orleans, and done or not done by the people of New Orleans?
Many of you are in denial. This was disaster was not all the fault of FEMA, etc. You should be more honest with yourselves and read news from all sides, here is a good starting point:
http://realclearpolitics.com/C.....05_RT.html
GBS @ 95: “To place blame on local and state authorities is senseless and being intellectually dishonest. No strike that; it’s just being plain dishonest with the express purpose of deflecting blame where it squarely belongs – on the federal level.”
Do you find any fault with the local and state governments? Or as you intellectually dishonest as those who find all fault with the state and local governments?
For the clueless @ 79: What part of “I would also point you to today’s Wall Street Journal, but it’s subscription. An excellent article on FEMA’s and DHS problems, which were and are numerous.” did you not understand? How is that deflection?
@101
more proof that ultimately, you’re just a troll. I’d debate your points… but you have none. Just troublemaking and hate.
@102
Ignorance is bliss, I guess… Don’t confuse us seeing thru’ the rightie’s ploys as unwillingness to admit wrong when such an admittance is appropriate. In this subject, its more about seeing what they’re trying to do, and lot letting them get away with it. Well at least for me, can only pseak for myself.
103:
You’re not the only poster, you know…
Theres alot of deflection going on. All in the classic “But look what the Democrats have done!” vein we’re so familiar with. For the national level debate, what the democrats have done is largely irrelevant (to what the feds have failed to do).
windie @ 105:“For the national level debate, what the democrats have done is largely irrelevant (to what the feds have failed to do).”
Well, I was responding to a comment that I made…but anyway, I do have to agree with your comment. For the problems on the federal level, the buck must stop with the President (and Congress, as now I’m asking where in the heck were they doing in their oversight functions of theses agencies)?
103 – Thanks for *not* pointing to the WSJ editorial page.
Now you can go back to nitpicking Nagin and Blanco.
Comment by HowCanYouBePROUDtobeAnASS— 9/6/05 @ 1:35 pm
Well-said.
jon@106
Sorry, I guess my point was that there was plenty of deflection going on, even if you weren’t particularly responsible for it (not saying you aren’t, but I haven’t checked :p)
windie @ 109: Well, I’ve certainly tried not to deflect. A lot of people screwed up on all levels; that’s all I’ve been trying to say. Thanks for your comments!
33
“The water hazard was compounded by no effectual local response. Will you agree to tha?
I think I implied that criticism of local/state officials was due.
Don’t trust any of the information these Righties post. Most of them are outright lies that sound just plausible enough to blunt the criticism they are recieving. Many people hear only the lies they tell and never get the corrections. For instance, that righty liar IGHF or whatever the fuck he calls himself was telling us all that the reason the National Guard was not called in sooner was because the Governor of Louisiana did not declare an emergency until Sept. 1. That is a lie. The emergency was declared by the Governor on Aug. 26. You have to cross-check every “fact ” they post and de-bunk it immediately if you have the time.
Headless and his followers..
Just go read an article. I have no connection to this newspaper
story i quoted earlier, even got a person of color writing it..
Manuel Torres East Jefferson bureau
1,591 words
17 July 2005
Times-Picayune
113:
Do an actual link, or quote the whole thing, or both…
or don’t bother.
Sheesh. From what you’ve written that article could say ANYTHING if it exists at all…
HL @112,
The disaster was declared, but there is more to it than that. The Disaster Plan was not put into effect by Mayor Nagin, and there was a lot of worry by Governor Blanco on what message might be sent if the Feds had been allowed to take over completely. Proabably very legitimate questions, but certainly putting some of the blame for the delay on Blanco’s shoulders as well. It takes two sides to negotiate, and negotiation takes time.
To further complicate the matter, many unnarmed rescuers felt so unsafe with the situation of lawlessness, that actually began the day before the levees broke, that they were unwilling to enter the city. How would a rescuer be saving anyone if he/she were hit with an errant bullet and killed?
The point is that the blame cannot be neatly dropped onto one man or woman. There was a confluence of circumstances. How come those on the left are only concerned with Bush and Brown?
windie; i thought giving links was bad form, plus pasting the whole article i think would piss off the host (and the copyright owner). I did my best in giving the date, auther, etc..
posting links is bad form?
Damn what train did I miss?
People post links all the time, silly!
Jon @ 103
As I wrote, the best laid plans of local and state agencies would have collapsed under this enormous destruction. This situation is specifically why FEMA was created — to take over where local and state governments become overwhelmed by the enormity of the situation.
Are you asking, in hindsight, could the local and state planning be better? The answer is simply, yes. Disaster preparedness could always be better.
The point I’m making is the abject failure on FEMA’s part in this situation. Large scale catastrophe response should have been the focal point of the Bush administration in regards to Homeland Security post 9/11. This proves that Bush is still in a pre 9/11 mindset, or has completer misunderstanding of what is required for the national security of the US. Take your pick, it’s only one of the two options.
You can try and blame the mayor of New Orleans, or the governor of LA for that matter, but in the end this disaster exceeded the borders of NO and LA and therefore the scope of what they can handle. This was, as you know, a region-wide disaster. FEMA’s lack of effective, managed response in a timely manner can only be the fault of the Director of FEMA and Bush.
The critical point the righties are failing to address is that the magnitude of destruction on a regional level will always be beyond the capability of local and state government. This is clearly FEMA’s responsibility.
The failures are all Bush’s.
If you cannot admit that, then you are lying to yourself. Quite frankly, after this event, I have such utter distain for supporters of Bush that I consider them enemies of the state and should be dealt with accordingly.
windie;
page 30, search for torres (the author)
http://www.fema.gov/priv/pao/docs/071805.doc
GBS @ 118
“Large scale catastrophe response should have been the focal point of the Bush administration in regards to Homeland Security post 9/11.”
Absolutely. It really should have been this past week as well, since it was part of the DHS’s National Response Plan. (http://www.dhs.gov/interweb/as.....seplan.pdf) To quote:
“The NRP establishes policies, procedures, and mechanisms for proactive Federal response to catastrophic events. A catastrophic event is any natural or manmade incident, including terrorism, that results in extraordinary levels of mass casualties, damage, or disruption severely affecting the population, infrastructure, environment, economy, national morale, and/or government functions. A catastrophic event could result in sustained national impacts over a prolonged period of time; almost immediately exceeds resources normally available to State, local, tribal, and private-sector authorities in the impacted area; and significantly interrupts governmental operations and emergency services to such an extent that national security could be threatened. All catastrophic events are Incidents of National Significance.” (emphasis mine)
You can find this on pages 43 and 44 of the NRP (dated Dec. 2004), under the heading “Proactive Federal Response to Catastrophic Events.”
Now, I could be wrong, but it seems to me that there are two questions that need answering:
1) Did the administration feel this was not a “catastrophic event”?
2) If they did feel this was a “catastrophic event”, where was the proactive response?
The blame can only be shifted so far here. Certainly there were failures at the state and local level, but the federal government does have a plan, and, in my view, a necessity to intercede when necessary.
Incidentally, Olbermann did well to quote Churchill yesterday: “The responsibility of ministers [i.e. government] for the public safety is absolute and requires no mandate. It is in fact the prime object for which governments come into existence.”
http://www.rasmussenreports.co.....er%206.htm
Like I’ve always said, HA is home to a tiny minority of dimwitted, dellusional, social outcasts who are so divorced from reality, they keep telling us what “momentum” their idealogy (or lack thereof) has and that their viewpoints represent the majority anywhere else outside of Capitol Hill.
mark my words, once the post evaluation of katrina and local, stste and federal response mistakes and failures were, the percentage of people left trying to blame Bush will be even lower than support for Sheehan.
Righton, thanks for the link. If we were talking about problems on the local level, it might be relevant.
@121
Sheehan? What the hell are you smoking, Idgaf?
Its funny how none of you righties can focus on what we’re actually talking about… is your position THAT weak?
@2
Is Zits still on Rossi’s payroll?
@ 120.
This failure makes me wonder what other chaotic event is waiting to unfold that will have the same lackluster response. Even after 9/11 I still felt secure within our borders, but after this, I believe our “collective” safety at home is in serious peril and our leaders Republican and Democrat needs to be called into question.
Obviously, the Republicans have more to answer for since they conrol all branches of government by an overwhelming majority. This is the reason they are playing politics with their inept response.
@ 121
I will mark your words. Hope you have the courage to return after next years elections.
John McDonald @ 115
‘How come those on the left are only concerned with Bush and Brown? ‘
Welcome to horsesass. Wake up and read a bit. You are smack-dab in the middle of discussions from the “tolerant” left wing. The righties only visit for target practice. Plug your nose and leave your brain at the door, and by all means forget what your mother told you about substituting profanity for substance.
windie; yeah i know, its a lefty blog, so focus is only on the elements that favor you all (we’re guilty of same).
Hey I’m back. Took the sons to see Transporter 2. It was okay. Great scene with a Lamborghini and airplane.
Now back on target. I link to the NYTimes which talked about the Mississippi River $2.7 Billion boondoggle. I link to the DoD which deployed assets for the rescue mission. I link to the people involved. You leftist “righteous” assholes have no view of anything except your tunnel vision of hate for GWB. Apparently you haven’t investigated the LA charter. When are you all going to fucking read it? They specifically say they are the first responders. Do you LEFTIST PINHEADS understand? Hell no! They told the world they are the first responders. Not the Army, Not the Navy, Not the Air Force, Not the Coast Guard, LA. Look at when Gov. Blanco called in HER National Guard idiots! She to this day has not ceded control of the LA NG to the Feds, which AL and MS did immediately. And Loocy, when you try and act smart regarding 1954, just STFU. You were already mad an ass of!
When you LEFTIST PINHEADS get the order of things through your thick skulls then we can have a rational discussion on this topic. Until then we continue to prove the order and you all see red because it’s another blame Bush. Well it looks like Bush’s approval ratings on how he handled this are coming up because people are learning the truth. As God said the light of truth illuminates all things.
Regarding looting, in MS and AL, proper religious edumication has reduced that. But for the wackos, the good ol’ boys have their 12-guage and their 30-odd shotguns. Just like the Koreans in LA, shoot first sweep up the litter later. More to come!
re 215: While you’re “confluencing” and spreading the blame, why not ease up a bit on your blasted, bloody outright lying?
@115
No, the point is this administration fucks up everything it touches, because they’re fucking incompetents.
IDGAF @ 121
Be careful not to read too much into this — the margin of error was +/-3%, which of course could make the generalized (favorable/unfavorable) results closer. Having dealt extensively with opinion polls in the past, it’s far more informative to look at the demographic breakdowns to identify trends. These aren’t available on Rasmussen’s website to nonsubscribers, but they did note the following:
“In general, people continue to see in Sheehan what they want to see. People who think we should withdraw troops from Iraq now have a positive opinion of Sheehan (58% avorable, 12% unfavorable). Those who do not think we should withdraw troops at this time have a negative view (10% favorable, 68% unfavorable).”
This is the kind of information that is really useful. It’s also helpful to see the wording of the questions; they claim that their wording was “straightforward,” and I’d have no reason to disbelieve them, but I can tell you that great care must be taken in wording questions in a neutral, non-leading fashion.
John McDonald: Welcome from one righty to another. These HA LEFTIST PINHEADS have no shame. They congregate here because only in WA State do they feel impotent. Not impudent; imPOtent. You know, Southern important! They control nothing federally and once the murky waters clear and the rest of America realizes that Gov. Blanco and the mayor (seems Goldy is putting his name in the sandbox) fucked the pooch, his approval ratings will continue to climb. In some polls it is approaching 50%. Why do you ask? Because people will see that the MSM perpetrated another lie. Lets blame FEMA. The Navy gentleman explained our Constitution and Congressional laws prevent the military from arriving until Gov. Blanco says ok. But LEFTIST PINHEADS don’t care for truth, honesty, integrity. They only care about getting back into power. Remember 58+ Million people were wrong! They voted for a shell of a man.
righton:
Start your own blog, hope its remotely successful.
Or, (HAH!) hope for a large, meaningful discussion on Soundpolitics ;)
GBS where in her declaration did she ask for aid?
My man who is black from the waist down your link: gov.louisiana.gov/Press_Release_detail.asp?id=973
search for FEMA, government, DHS, federal, etc. No where does she say help us US. All she says is to put the state into action.
windie; we only surf here to provide you guys some yeast…
suuuure… keep telling yourself that. You come all this way and spend all this time for lil’ ol us….
Poor poor delusional troll ;)
Little Puddy (apologies to Bob Denver):
She asks for help from the feds here.
I don’t want to get into a bunch of name calling and bashing. I just don’t see why so many here are not willing to look at some of the facts. This report came out today from one of the helicopter pilots involved in the rescue. Granted this is from a right leaning source, Fox, but I think the reports of there being no help at all from FEMA, and no culpability at all on the part of local NO/LA officials are clearly wrong.
http://www.newsmax.com/archive.....0013.shtml
Too bad. Looks like again its going to be more about the politics than what really happened.
For example, everyone, take a look at this:
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/pastint.shtml
Even a quick glance at the NOAA site shows that hurricanes have been quite intense for a long time, certainly longer that there have been any sort of greenhouse gas / global warming arguments. Yet, some media sources are blaming the hurricane on global warming. That’s just plain impossible. Hurricanes have been around for the entire life of the US, and way before there were cars or oil burning.
Is there anyone here willing to have a rational discussion or is it all just back and forth sniping?
Pursuant to 44 CFR § 206.35, I have determined that this incident is of such severity and magnitude that effective response is beyond the capabilities of the State and affected local governments, and that supplementary Federal assistance is necessary to save lives, protect property, public health, and safety, or to lessen or avert the threat of a disaster. I am specifically requesting emergency protective measures, direct Federal Assistance, Individual and Household Program (IHP) assistance, Special Needs Program assistance, and debris removal.
ouch poor trolls got bitch-slapped!
I can’t really do indepth research when I’m at work, but its always good to see the facts come up :)
me@139
(pasted from FTC’s link)
Windie at #139; i think you just admitted evidence that allows us to cross examine the mayor and non-governor,,, right…banking on their request for the feds means i guess we can question when they knew it, how they knew it, what they knew
laughing all the way to the bank..
133 – we’re going to maintain the focus on FEMA and their “betters”, thanks, what they did and when they did it.
We’ll let the “locals” tend to their dead and wounded.
Some more light reading for Little Puddy (sorry Bob).
It isn’t easy picking George Bush’s worst moment last week. Was it his first go at addressing the crisis Wednesday, when he came across as cool to the point of uncaring? Was it when he said that he didn’t “think anybody expected” the New Orleans levees to give way, though that very possibility had been forecast for years? Was it when he arrived in Mobile, Ala., a full four days after the storm made landfall, and praised his hapless Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) director, Michael D. Brown, whose disaster credentials seemed to consist of once being the commissioner of the International Arabian Horse Association? “Brownie, you’re doing a heck of a job,” said the President. Or was it that odd moment when he promised to rebuild Mississippi Senator Trent Lott’s house–a gesture that must have sounded astonishingly tone-deaf to the homeless black citizens still trapped in the postapocalyptic water world of New Orleans. “Out of the rubbles of Trent Lott’s house–he’s lost his entire house,” cracked Bush, “there’s going to be a fantastic house. And I’m looking forward to sitting on the porch.”
The facts do indeed cause those who believe in myths to be uncomfortable.
http://www.americanthinker.com.....le_id=4797
Thanks clueless. See your Karma is working. So the military appears off the coast to help the next day after the Hurricane appears. Now you see the timeline I presented? Regarding FEMA, I’ll wait. So three days from the 27th is the 30th or the 31st because of when the time the hurricane hits. Looks like the levees break on Monday the 29th so three days is Thursday the 1st. I see the Feds arrive on September 1st. Maybe they were slow, I will wait and again not make judgments. I leave that to you lefties.
Watch Bill O’Reilly’s talking points at 8:00 if you are not watching it now. FEMA was 24 hours late. Governor didn’t send the guard before the storm. Mayor didn’t send the evac order for the city until within 24 hrs. before the event. Their disaster plan says 72 hours. Bob Williams is on his show. Bush call Saturday, please evacuate. Nagin delays another 24 hours. First responders are city and state. Mayor was asked if Gov. declared the state of emergency, the mayor didn’t know. She didn’t sign the executive order for the NO evac until this past Wednesday.
Watch the show for the timeline. This is what I said B4 this show. So even Bill O’Reilly agrees.
http://www.gov.state.la.us/Pre.....asp?id=976
Puddybud:
Above it the link the Governor’ Blanco’s request for emergency aid BEFORE hurricane Katrina hit the coast of LA.
Below is a brief passage the lays to rest all the bullshit that is being spun from the right.
“Pursuant to 44 CFR § 206.35, I have determined that this incident is of such severity and magnitude that effective response is beyond the capabilities of the State and affected local governments, and that supplementary Federal assistance is necessary to save lives, protect property, public health, and safety, or to lessen or avert the threat of a disaster. I am specifically requesting emergency protective measures, direct Federal Assistance, Individual and Household Program (IHP) assistance, Special Needs Program assistance, and debris removal.”
To all of you FUCKING ASSHOLES who insist the the local and state government failed please read the above excerpt form the Governor’s letter: “beyond the capabilities of the State and affected local governments”
Just like September the 11th, Bush failed to take immediate action after being told a SECOND airplane struck the other WTC building. Like the fucking idiot he is, he FAILED to take action.
Here again, he was too fucking busy on vacation and eating cake and playing gee-tar and whatever else was more important to him at the time.
Proof positive your man is a failure Puddy. Come to grips with it.
GBS: In every truly balanced editorial, how can you provide refief assistance to a problem area that isn’t a problem area yet? Do you realize what you just said. I appreciate the knowledgable banter you provide here but sit back and cogitate n your entry. Do you possess a time machine that allows you see where to perform air drops at locations before the location is hit? Wow GBS, can you tell me the lottery or megamillion numbers? No, you wait until after the hit and then mobilize. So they were 24 hours late. That’s what I said earlier B4 O’Reilly. I showed you the military site where the DoD orders the USS Bataan uses it helicopters to start the rescue on Tuesday.
Now it comes out that the State Authorities keep out the Red Cross. Ms. Marty Evans President of the Red Cross is on O’Reilly. Didn’t Goldy intimate that FEMA kept them out of NO? Watch the Red Cross official on O’Reilly. More lies from Goldy. Does he assert retractions? Hell no! He’s above the truth!!!
“I think it puts into question all of the Homeland Security and Northern Command planning for the last four years, because if we can’t respond faster than this to an event we saw coming across the Gulf for days, then why do we think we’re prepared to respond to a nuclear or biological attack?” said former House Speaker Newt Gingrich.
It’s all you really need to know.
Hey I agree with that. Our federal bureauracracy sucks. It takes too long to do anything correctly. It’s been that way since the 70s. We both know this GBS. It’s not just today. It’s way back. Look at the response to Mount St. Helens in 1980.
Puddybud,
I know you don’t want to admit defeat. In fact, I admire that trait to a certain degree. It’s part of our American spirit to never say “die.”
OK, but this fiasco is not just when the military did this or dropped supplies there. This is about a massive failure of Command and Control on FEMA’s part.
I’m not talking about coordinating a vertrep here or a vertrep there. There was, and for the most part still. no Command and Control structure. Hell, the General in charge is running this like a military operation because FEMA is totally disorganized.
Thank God, for the military academies where leadership is still taught.
Organizational failure from the top down is the issue here, Puddybud. And, it’s not because I hate Bush. In fact, how anyone feels does not matter or have a bearing on what has transpired here. Failing to properly plan is the hallmark of the Bush administration. Pick a subject: Afghanistan, Iraq, Social Security, Medicare, the Economy, federal pork barrel spending, never using his veto powers. . .come on, Puddybud. It’s good to never say die, but not at the expense of our nation’s best interest.
It’s time to throw in the towel on Bush, cut your (our) losses and move on. We tried this conservative experiment, and you know what, the Liberal Democratic experiment of the 90’s was far superior.
Come on, Puddybud. Do the correct thing, throw your support behind someone else. Please.
Little Puddy @ 144
Bill “Falafel” O’Reilly agrees with you!!! Do tell, do tell!!!
Puddybud,
Your Mt. St. Helen’s analogy is precisely what the argument is all about. Post 9/11, we live in a totally new world. And almost 4 years to the day to be comparing our progress to 1980 is THE apogee of the problem with the Bush administration’s lack of getting things done. His abject failure and risky policies do not produce the results we need in a post 9/11 world. It simply isn’t good enough any more.
We can’t spend the billions of dollars that we have and in return get a pre 9/11 response from the government. That is the failure Puddybud. We, me & you, have got to recognize this for what it is and bring in a new party to govern. A party with a proven track record on the national/federal level. Republicans are better suited for the everyday trials and tribulations of local government. But when it comes to state and federal issues, they simply can’t lead.
Lead, follow or get out of the way. Since Bush and his supporters cannot due the first two, it’s time to perform the latter.
Puddybud, if you agree with Newt’s statement, then how can you support Bush?
Didn’t he run a the “National Security” platform?
It seems while he was busy making promises on the campaign trail, behind the scenese he wasn’t doing the “hard work” of keeping those promises.
Republican’s slogan in ’06: Promises made, promises broken.
Man, this blog is just full of hate filled rage. The truth is clearly in the middle.
The response could have been a bit better, but it was quite timely, especially compared to other large hurricanes over the past 10 years. And most of the people who did not leave did so because they were told to go to the Superdome, or they simply refused to leave. Some of them were helpless and could not leave by themselves, and there was no local plan to evacuate them, and that was a major local flaw. 80% got out, 20% stayed. If could have been a lot worse. It’s sad that 20% stayed, but they can’t lay blame for that entirely on Bush, or even on the Nagin who did not have a plan for evacuation other than “go to the Superdome.”
If you can walk, and If the water is rising, and you just stand there, it’s your own fault for not taking action. The average person can walk at least 3-4 miles per hour.
I can support Bush just like Newt supports Bush!
Regarding the slogan, maybe Howard Dean will use that. Send it to him, but trademark it first.
So you say let’s leave Iraq, and have the terrorists appear at our doorstep. What’s next GBS?
Just learned on Fox News, oh that’s right you lefties hate Fox News, that FEMA told the Governor that they would fully mobilized in 96 hours. I agree that’s too long. But with all the devestation of Mississippi they were spread out over the whole gulf coast and that they were dealing with the storm in Florida. But then you lefties forgot it went through Florida. My family didn’t forget that. The wife’s sister didn’t get power until early last week after the storm hit LA. That was 5 days she was without power.
Remember DoD is not the first responder.
GBS, You make a few valid points. (however you are not even remotely qualified to evaluate disaster planning, command or operations-your assetions are ridiculous) But the single most glaring ommision (and perhaps the most telling about democrats) is that where are the ideas, solutions, plans, true leaders or even the slightest hint of how things would be different for the better if we were to just blindly throw our support behind your ideology. “Bush is bad-vote for us” didn’t work last time and it won’t work in 2008. The more loudly people representing the modern day Democratic party scream empty rhetoric, the further more people move to the right.
Dan Froomkin sez’:
[F]acing what is clearly a full-scale political disaster, Rove and a handful of other masterful political operatives have gone into overdrive. They are back in campaign mode.
This campaign is to salvage Bush’s reputation.
Like previous Rove operations, it calls for multiple appearances by the president in controlled environments in which he can appear leader-like. It calls for extensive use of Air Force One and a massive deployment of spinners.
It doesn’t necessarily include any change in policy. It certainly doesn’t include any admission of error.
It utilizes the classic Rovian tactic of attacking critics rather than defending against their criticism — and of throwing up chaff to muddle the issue and throw the press off the scent.
It calls for public expressions of outrage over the politicization of the issue and of those who would play the “blame game.” While at the same time, it is utterly political in nature and heavily reliant on shifting the blame elsewhere.
John, you too make some good points. But the problem is, they HAD A PLAN-BUT FAILED TO FOLLOW IT! had the Mayor and Governor simply mad use of available resources AS IDENTIFIED in their disaster plan, The Superdome and convention center would have been empty. Have a look see at the links especially to the city’s disaster plan.
“This is a national disgrace. FEMA has been here three days, yet there is no command and control. We can send massive amounts of aid to tsunami victims, but we can’t bail out the city of New Orleans.” –Terry Ebbert, Director of NOLA’s emergency management agency, complaining about FEMA’s evacuation plan for refugees in the Superdome. Unfortunately for Mr. Ebbert, the AP photograph of hundreds of perked, now flooded busses is published the same day (Thursday, 01SEP05).
Mr. Ebbert suggests that FEMA’s crystal ball on levee failures needs some polishing. But, hindsight being what it is, perhaps Mr. Ebbert’s crystal ball was not so clear. In the photo, you can see more than 200 flooded school buses at the NO depot not far from the Superdome. In other words, once the evacuation order had been issued, why did Mr. Ebbert not position these buses in a location where they could be used for transportation.
200 buses with a capacity of about 60 people per bus means some 12,000 people could have been ferried away from the Superdome to Houston in about 15 hours. By Thursday, Mr. Ebbert could have gotten all NO’s refugees out on his own! Way to go Chief!
Memo to Mr. Ebbert: Wasn’t the use of these buses for evacuation part of your “preparedness planning” for your city in the event of, say, breached levees? School buses are part every competently-run municipality’s evac plan. Go have a look:
http://www.cityofno.com/portal.....8;tabid=26
Furthermore the local authorities failed to learn a thing from a similar event in 2004!
have a look here:
http://www.katv.com/news/stories/0904/174105.html
One emergency manager with half a clue and a couple hundred willing drivers could have more or less saved New Orleans from turning into Mad Max territory. Terry Ebbert can blame everyone else all he wants, but this crisis after the initial insult of Katrina is almost entirely his fault.” The only real national disgrace I’ve seen in New Orleans is the complete and total incompetence of the mayor and his staff to some degree, but the governor of the State of Louisiana and her advisors are absolute IDIOTS! and those Democrats in America trying to assess blame on the Bush administration. I suggest that you find a mirror for that finger of blame!
“it is utterly political in nature and heavily reliant on shifting the blame elsewhere”
ForTheClueless, Thank you for posting the leftist plan right from your tried and failed playbook. yet, you just keep repeating the same ole thing that has yet, and will not, resonate in mainstream America. Trust me also when I tell you the “press is on the scent” and your not going like where it goes in the next couple of days.
Speaking of “being on the scent’ The company the left despises nearly as much as Halliburton, steps up like no other.
http://www.tallahassee.com/mld.....573854.htm
ID(IOT)GAF:
Give us, O wise one, your analysis of FEMA’s performance then or Mike Brown’s qualifications or any of his
croniesstaff.Puddy,
Stop it already with the no new ideas talking points. I made the connection already. We’ve tried your party’s ideas for the last 4 1/2 years and they’ve really SUCKED. When we went with President Clinton’s ideas it was really GREAT!
OK? Let me summarize it for you Fox “News” style: Clinton Good, Bush Bad.
One more time, because most of the Fox “News” crowd needs it repated several times before they understand it.
Clinton, Good. Bush, Bad. Clinton, Good. Bush, Bad.
Now, it’s not that I hate Fox “News” but it’s not news. As a whole, it’s more opinion based than fact based. If they called it Fox Opinions Show, then maybe I’d give it a little more credence. But, since it’s not news by definition I don’t watch it.
Yes, you can continue to support Bush. I’m ASKING you not to for the good of the country. Are you patriotic, or a political hack.
Answer my answer to your St. Helens analogy and we can continue the discussion tomorrow. I’ve got other priorities other than blog service.
Have a good evening. Think about what I said. Tell PacMan hello for me. I’ll yack at you later.
Hey ID(IOT)GAF and Little Puddy:
Here’s a story from a totally Marxist newspaper about FEMA!
Windie @ 56
Yep, it is all George Bush’s fault. Wye it George and Karl hadn’t slashed the tires on all those school buses in New Orleans, the poor, elderly and infirm could have evacuated New Orleans.
And wasn’t that George I say knocking the glass out of the doors at Wal-mart. And, of course, if their great, great, great, great grandparent hadn’t been slaves none of the blacks would have followed George into the Wal-mart.
And if Al Gore were president, we wouldn’t be having any hurricanes.
Hey GBS, you are mixing me up with someone else. But it’s good to see other righty thinking people also taking this issue dead on.
Regarding the people on O’Reilly, now you discount the American Red Cross President? Man you are so blind. Again I ask where is the Goldy retraction on the truth. FEMA did NOT stop the RED CROSS. The LA State people did. What say you GBS? Does the truth hurt? Your LEFTIST PINHEAD goose stepping mantra does not hold water, but you guys keep drinking the kool-aid. It may clean out that brain constipation.
Dan Froomkin, you mean the male Helen Thomas of the White House Press Corps, just much younger? One of the most liberal MSM reporters, even left of Sam Donaldson? A full-scale political disaster? Standard donk speak for man we missed getting him again. Look at the polls GBS. They be improving now the word is getting out. Not everyone thinks like the donks of WA State!
Blame Bush? 44%-yes 55%-no. That deserves a NUFF SAID!!!!!
The website to open your home for potential NO people adoption is: http://www.openyourhome.com. I hope some of you will also open your home for a needy family. Here is where God will see and many of us will determine if the donks actually put their money where their hands claim to be. They mostly be people who vote like you do. If we be chosen, this will be our opportunity to convict their hearts that they be livin’ on the dark side of politics and I don’t mean their skin color like some of you lefties immediately thought!
Hello Horsesasses. Been on hiatus. How goes the lefty war against the world?
Been reading some of the latest threads. Goldy you sure know how to stir de pot as we be sayin! Regarding all this mess in NO, I just watched Oprah tonight and the wife and I got a pit in our stomachs. Why? Because her reporters made it seem to be all Bush’s fault.
Let’s not disemble here. The stuff went wrong from the mayor’s office tot eh governor’s office to FEMA. All are at fault. But one has to ask PacMan why did you place them in that order. Well I looked at the clueless argument, the windie argument, blew off the Goldy argument as his job is to incite and flameon the threads, absolutely dismissed Mr. Loocy arguments from any usage of my fine brain cell specimens, sorry torridjoe but your attempts at discussion are low on the totem pole, and then read carefully my brother from the waste down GBS was trying to say.
Since Mayor Nagin said his office was in charge, he didn’t provide the leadership. Gov. Blanco was crying the blues for what? Mike Brown could be incompetent as some argue here, but when you walk into chaos, you need the military to help out against anarchy. Yes, my people was looting, I even saw them fine lady specimens of NO police gals in WalMart. They will not be having a job anytime soon! What FEMA charter has handling looters with high powered rifles, shotguns and handguns in it? So if the mayor did his job and didn’t have half of his police force quit; his buses under water; his plan actually activated; this story would be different!
Damn Goldy, I come back to visit and my first document gets put into the bullpen! But as Puddy said save it just in case!
Hey hey hey: At least ABC News is finally going after the real story. NO & LA meltdown.
abcnews.go.com/WNT/HurricaneKatrina/story?id=1102467&page=1
Excerpt: “New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin said “80 percent” of the city was evacuated before the storm hit, but Bob Williams says that’s not good enough.
Williams dealt with emergency response issues as a state representative in Washington when his district was forced to deal with the eruption of Mount St. Helens in 1980.
“If the plan were implemented, lives would have been saved,” Williams said.
There’s no question the federal government plays a major role in disaster relief. But federal officials say in order to get involved, they must first be asked to do so by state officials.
As one FEMA official told ABC News, Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco failed to submit a request for help in a timely manner.
Shortly before Katrina hit, she sent President Bush a request, asking for shelter and provisions, but didn’t specifically ask for help with evacuations. One aide to the governor told ABC News today Blanco thought city officials were taking care of the evacuation.”
Now the second page talks about FEMA not responding quickly enough to the catastrophe if they saw the locals floundering: “If the city and the state are stumbling or in over their head, then it’s FEMA’s responsibility to show some leadership,” said Jerry Hauer, director of public health preparedness at the Department of Health and Human Services.” I love hindsight – it’s the only thing 20-20, unlike many HA lefty and Goldy rants which seems to be myopic right now.
As I have been saying all along; you lefties are again going to get caught with your pants down as God illuminates the LA & NO stoopidity. Careful now Goldy. What you decide to write will be under more scrutiny as you like to cause jump without looking at all the facts. In the words of KKK Robert 3-Sheets to the Wind Byrd “Wrong, Wrong”!
Just heard on the news that FEMA mobilized within 12 hours after the storm hit and gave the people two days to arrive. One day to get trained and one day to get there. Then the post above from ABC News. Yes P e t e r J e n n i n g s is dead so now more news can be correctly reported!
The real racist ones are the mayor and the governor. The mayor didn’t follow through on his own evacuation plan and the governor who didn’t check to see the mayor was doing his job. That is sad. Many dead minorities due to his incompetence. But you lefties continue to blame FEMA when the gov didn’t ask for their help. Hmmm… I thought you lefties throw around the constitution for abortion and gay marriage (neither are in it) but you ignore the constitution when states rights are involved and the feds follow the constitution.
My post is in purgatory again. Hmmm… could it be P e t e r J e n n i n g s?
Part 1: Just heard on the news that FEMA mobilized within 12 hours after the storm hit and gave the people two days to arrive. One day to get trained and one day to get there. Then the post above from ABC News. Yes, P e t e r J e n n i n g s is dead so now more real news can be correctly reported by ABC!
Part 2: The real racist ones are the mayor and the governor. The mayor didn’t follow through on his own evacuation plan and the governor who didn’t check to see the mayor was doing his job. That is sad. Many dead minorities due to his incompetence. But you lefties continue to blame FEMA when the gov didn’t ask for their help. Hmmm… I thought you lefties throw around the constitution for aborshun and g a y m a r r i a g e (neither are in it) but you ignore the constitution when states rights are involved and the feds follow the constitution.
Gay marriage being blocked?
Part 2: The real racist ones are the mayor and the governor. The mayor didn’t follow through on his own evacuation plan and the governor who didn’t check to see the mayor was doing his job. That is sad. Many dead minorities due to his incompetence. But you lefties continue to blame FEMA when the gov didn’t ask for their help.
Goldy, do you filter the word racist? Dead minorities?
Since I have to wait for Goldy releases my post: The real racist ones are the mayor and the governor.
Goldy and lefties;
Me thinks you should continue pressing for a full investigation. The more facts we get, the more your ragin cajun’s (nagrin i guess honorary) reveal their incompetance.
I saw slick nagrin on Oprah last night, she was fawning all over the guy (same thing a guy reporter would do w a babe i guess), never once asking him what he did…
Full hearings…let em begin
Goldy and lefties: Are you listening to Kirby and Bob Williams regarding his article in the Wall Street Journal? You are missing a great interview. Look at http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110007219 Looks like Bob has it right. All the big news organizations are now checking him out!
So Clueless, Torridjoe, Windie etc, what say you now that this critical view parrots what I said last week. But noooooooooooooooooooo, it’s let’s blame FEMA time on HA. Yes, I said they were slow. But now we see FEMA Brown told his people to be there in 48 hours. Bob says FEMA didn’t pressure the mayor to fix his problems found 13 months ago. FEMA should have grabbed the communications center. Bob feels FEMA should be it’s own cabinet level department again like Clinton had it. So we can agree with that assessment by your side. Bob says the emergency response was the governor’s fault. If she activated the LA National Guard, then FEMA would have known by this action. But the governor dithered until Wednesday. Also Bob said Broussard who complained boo hoo, had the power to confiscate private property (the private buses) to start his city evacuation. They also talked about the DVDs of July 25.
They compared the leadership of Mississippi by Republican Governor Haley Barbour vs. Democratic Governer Mary Blanco. She failed, he passed!
Hey HA lefties, this Kirby Wilbur is almost as good as my old KSFO morning crew from SF. Melanie Morgan is a looker. I like Kirby. He asks questions I would ask. Bob Williams was the emergency responder to St. Helens? Interesting. So HA people what will be your next rant regarding this tragedy? Blame FEMA?
Oh Puddy, good synopsis. Bob just skewered Goldy good. Ha Ha ha HA (horsesasses). The military just said they will not take part in forced evacuations. Good for them. It is a local job!!
Man, another post in the sandbox. Well I will visit this place called Sound Politics since HA righty posts seem to be trapped more often. Or, is it because we have an expanded vocabulary and we utilize words more likely to be monitored (less swearing – more thought provoking?) than that from lefties?
HA People: What does this mean? Is this what you guys implement each November?
http://www.pscottcummins.com/b.....705624.jpg
Please nagivate to the open thread lefties. I ask all of you a question on #250.
Again… fuck all of you who complain about the spam filter. It is a hundred times more of a hassle for me than it is for you: I’m the one who has to wade through it several times a day to manually approve the shit that passes as comments from most of you trolls.
If I pulled the filter, every thread would be filled with ads.
Goldy, man you are touchy today. First, thanks for the standard HA epithet. Second, thanks for releasing my post. But I ask you why are certain words blocked? Can’t the filter look at the sentence structure and determine if the word use is correct or illicit? Just asking Goldy. But sorry, I ain’t spreading my cheeks for no lefty, or righty for that matter.
I appreciate this blog and the fun I have taking on some lefties. Now about that temper. Is it due to the lies you be perpetuating coming home to roost now, or you be having mood swings? I like the fact that some righties are scrutinizing every rant you and the gang (Just thought of Kool & the Gang then) put forth and are proving it’s all poppycock!!!!!!
Besides where I come from on the east coast, when someone said “Fuck You” we’d say $10 and a note from your mutha.
The left Mantra fails AGAIN…..
A CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll of 609 adults taken September 5-6 shows:
Blame Game — 13% said George W. Bush is “most responsible for the problems in New Orleans after the hurricane”; 18% said “federal agencies”; 25% said “state and local officials”; 38% said “no one is to blame”; 6% had no opinion. — 29% said that “top officials in the federal agencies responsible for handling emergencies should be fired”; 63% said they should not; 8% had no opinion.
The USA/CNN Poll – only 13% blame Bush. Wow, you WA HA Lefties must be pissed now. See your rot gut thoughts are not the country’s more purer thoughts. So these people are poisoned with their own hatred of GWB but are not looking at it objectively. Are these the hard core democrat lefties?
Nice poll numbers from both of you. Tracking the 55% who do not blame Bush on it. As more light is placed on these people, the better is gets for the right!
Snicker… I just love it when asses walk out on a bridge… then jump off. Read it and weep, kiddies:
Louisiana Officials Could Lose the Katrina Blame Game
By Jeff Johnson
September 7, 2005
— The Bush administration is being widely criticized for the emergency response to Hurricane Katrina and the allegedly inadequate protection for “the big one” that residents had long feared would hit New Orleans. But research into more than ten years of reporting on hurricane and flood damage mitigation efforts in and around New Orleans indicates that local and state officials did not use federal money that was available for levee improvements or coastal reinforcement and often did not secure local matching funds that would have generated even more federal funding.
In December of 1995, the Orleans Levee Board, the local government entity that oversees the levees and floodgates designed to protect New Orleans and the surrounding areas from rising waters, bragged in a supplement to the Times-Picayune newspaper about federal money received to protect the region from hurricanes.
“In the past four years, the Orleans Levee Board has built up its arsenal. The additional defenses are so critical that Levee Commissioners marched into Congress and brought back almost $60 million to help pay for protection,” the pamphlet declared. “The most ambitious flood-fighting plan in generations was drafted. An unprecedented $140 million building campaign launched 41 projects.”
The levee board promised Times-Picayune readers that the “few manageable gaps” in the walls protecting the city from Mother Nature’s waters “will be sealed within four years (1999) completing our circle of protection.”
But less than a year later, that same levee board was denied the authority to refinance its debts. Legislative Auditor Dan Kyle “repeatedly faulted the Levee Board for the way it awards contracts, spends money and ignores public bid laws,” according to the Times-Picayune. The newspaper quoted Kyle as saying that the board was near bankruptcy and should not be allowed to refinance any bonds, or issue new ones, until it submitted an acceptable plan to achieve solvency.
Blocked from financing the local portion of the flood fighting efforts, the levee board was unable to spend the federal matching funds that had been designated for the project.
By 1998, Louisiana’s state government had a $2 billion construction budget, but less than one tenth of one percent of that — $1.98 million — was dedicated to levee improvements in the New Orleans area. State appropriators were able to find $22 million that year to renovate a new home for the Louisiana Supreme Court and $35 million for one phase of an expansion to the New Orleans convention center.
The following year, the state legislature did appropriate $49.5 million for levee improvements, but the proposed spending had to be allocated by the State Bond Commission before the projects could receive financing. The commission placed the levee improvements in the “Priority 5” category, among the projects least likely to receive full or immediate funding.
The Orleans Levee Board was also forced to defer $3.7 million in capital improvement projects in its 2001 budget after residents of the area rejected a proposed tax increase to fund its expanding operations. Long term deferments to nearly 60 projects, based on the revenue shortfall, totaled $47 million worth of work, including projects to shore up the floodwalls.
No new state money had been allocated to the area’s hurricane protection projects as of October of 2002, leaving the available 65 percent federal matching funds for such construction untouched.
“The problem is money is real tight in Baton Rouge right now,” state Sen. Francis Heitmeier (D-Algiers) told the Times-Picayune. “We have to do with what we can get.”
Louisiana Commissioner of Administration Mark Drennen told local officials that, if they reduced their requests for state funding in other, less critical areas, they would have a better chance of getting the requested funds for levee improvements. The newspaper reported that in 2000 and 2001, “the Bond Commission has approved or pledged millions of dollars for projects in Jefferson Parish, including construction of the Tournament Players Club golf course near Westwego, the relocation of Hickory Avenue in Jefferson (Parish) and historic district development in Westwego.”
There is no record of such discretionary funding requests being reduced or withdrawn, but in October of 2003, nearby St. Charles Parish did receive a federal grant for $475,000 to build bike paths on top of its levees.
ProudAss, maybe that’s why the NY Times in their April 2005 editorial which they said the $2.7 Billion from the Feds a boondoggle. What you say? Wasted money in LA? Where did it go?
Did you just read Hilary submitted a bill for FEMA back to cabinet position. But but but she voted to have FEMA as part of DHS. Can’t have it both ways Hilary!!!
Hillary’s goal is to get her FACE in the media… it’s ‘just not fair’ that Waggin his Willie gets all that face time and attention when they agreed it’s now her turn.
More from the same location ProudAss. I couldn’t find this yesterday.
NY Times Attack on Katrina Response Masks Paper’s Own Flip-Flop
By Noel Sheppard
September 07, 2005
In the wake of catastrophic damage to New Orleans caused by Hurricane Katrina, the New York Times appears to not only be engaging in some of the most preposterous Monday morning-quarterbacking in its history, but is also flatly contradicting positions that it had previously taken concerning the Army Corps of Engineers.
A lead story and an editorial on September 1, as well as subsequent op-eds by Paul Krugman (JDB’s hero) and Maureen Dowd (A Maureen Dowd lived in my college dorm) the next two days, all sung the praises of the Army Corps of Engineers. Below is just a flavor of the Times’ newly found affection for America’s Earthmovers for Hire:
“The 17th Street levee that gave way and led to the flooding of New Orleans was part of an intricate, aging system of barriers and pumps that was so chronically underfinanced that senior regional officials of the Army Corps of Engineers complained about it publicly for years.”
From these articles, one gets the impression that if the Bush administration had given the Army Corps of Engineers a blank check, New Orleans would be fine today.
However, the Times has not always been as enamored with the corps as it appears to be now. As reported by George Adair of EU Rota on September 2, the Times had this to say just five months ago in an editorial entitled “The Untouchable Corps”:
“Anyone who cares about responsible budgeting and the health of America’s rivers and wetlands should pay attention to a bill now before the Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works. The bill would shovel $17 billion at the Army Corps of Engineers for flood control and other water-related projects, this at a time when President Bush is asking for major cuts in Medicaid and other important domestic programs. Among these projects is a $2.7 billion boondoggle on the Mississippi River that has twice flunked inspection by the National Academy of Sciences.
“This is a bad piece of legislation,” the newspaper asserted.
The legislation in question is S. 728, The Water Resources Development Act of 2005 sponsored by Sen. Christopher Bond (R-Mo.). The language of this bill — on which senators coincidentally have taken no action since April 26 — indicates that considerable focus was given to projects in Louisiana, including one for hurricane and storm damage reduction with an estimated federal cost of $512 million. This should not be a surprise as Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-La.) is a co-sponsor.
Doesn’t this raise a question as to why the Times was against this bill when it was introduced five months ago, but is now castigating the president for, in essence, doing exactly what the Times advocated?
Yet, this isn’t the first instance of corps-bashing on the part of the New York Times. Garden State Enviro Net archives this editorial from June 23, 2003, entitled “Time to Re-engineer the Corps”:
“The House Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure has a rare opportunity tomorrow to strike a blow for both fiscal sanity and the environment. Before the committee is a bill that would bring a measure of discipline and independent oversight to the Army Corps of Engineers, an incorrigibly spendthrift agency whose projects over the years have caused enormous damage to the nation’s streams, rivers and wetlands.”
In addition, Forest Conservation Portal captured this Times editorial from August 19, 2002 entitled “Taming the Untouchable Corps”:
“There are not many issues that the liberal Tom Daschle of South Dakota and the conservative Robert Smith of New Hampshire agree on. But when Congress reconvenes, these two senators, along with the campaign finance mavericks John McCain and Russell Feingold, are determined to challenge the self-interest of many of their colleagues by instituting a top-to-bottom overhaul of the Army Corps of Engineers.
According to the Times’ commentary, “In April, the General Accounting Office found that the corps had vastly overestimated the economic payoff of a $300 million dredging project in the Delaware River — the latest in a series of projects where the corps seems to have cooked the books to justify huge budget outlays.”
In this editorial, the Times was referring to a bill that didn’t come to fruition until March 2004 when it was introduced by Sens. Russ Feingold (D-Wis.), John McCain (R-Ariz.), and Tom Daschle (D-S.D.). Coincidentally, no action has been taken on this bill since its introduction either.
Adding it all up:
In 2002, the Times claimed the corps was desperately in need of reform due to its corrupt, malfeasant, seemingly Enron-like ways.
In 2003, the Times saw the corps as incorrigibly spendthrift and causing damage to the environment.
In 2004, the Times’ favorite Republican, John McCain, co-sponsored a bill that addressed many of the Times’ concerns, regarding the corps.
In 2005, the Times asked New York’s senators to vote against a bill that would give $17 billion to the corps that included elaborate work in Louisiana.
Yet, less than five months later, prior to any of the proposed changes for this agency having been formally legislated or effected, and with our nation in the middle of a crisis, the Times has changed horses midstream, and is eviscerating the president for not giving the corps every penny it has asked for since his inauguration.
It therefore seems fitting that the denouement in this Jim “Party Switcher” Jeffords moment is named “Redemption in the Bayou,” wherein the same editorial staff that asked New York’s senators to oppose S. 728 almost five months ago appears to have lost its conviction a week after Katrina made landfall:
“The conditions are thus ripe for a major effort to restore the Louisiana coast. The program before Congress was hatched by the state’s politicians and in its universities and drafted by the Army Corps of Engineers.”
If only the Times had the backbone it is continually telling the nation our president lacks.
Damn Lefties, you shouldn’t have gone there. I am home studing for a certification test and I ran across this on the Internet!
Who originally suggested the Department of Homeland Security? – Joseph Lieberman:
hsgac.senate.gov/index.cfm?FuseAction=PressReleases.Detail&Affiliation=C&PressRelease_id=430&Month=7&Year=2002
Who originally suggested that FEMA be at the core of the Department of Homeland Security? – Joseph Lieberman
Excerpt: “Fifth, Emergency Preparedness and Response. After September 11, we have an obligation to think about—and prepare for—the unthinkable, including and especially attacks with chemical, biological, radiological, and nuclear weapons. This directorate, with the Federal Emergency Management Agency at its core, will combine the strengths of half a dozen other agencies and offices responsible for dispensing critical vaccines and medicines, training local and state officials in emergency response, and performing other critical functions.”
Once again Goldy has diarrhea of the fingers, fails to perform his due homework and now here is the bow-line shot. GBS I hope you are reading!!!!
Damn ProudAss and Puddy, you should create a research firm and sign up Goldy as your first client. FEMA was put under Homeland Security by the Democrats? This is TOOOOOOOOOOOO FUNNNNNNNY!
Goldy, next subject please! Goodness this is just too funny. I am laughing so hard as I type this. Democrats finding fault with FEMA not being at cabinet level because Democrats took it from cabinet level. Damn this is so funny. Please Goldy, please, you are making my move to WA State worth it with these worthless rants that provide comedy for the clear thinking person. I hope you are still cross-linked to the Daily Kos so they can quickly break the link and remove this embarassment from their site. Hah hah hoh hoh hah hah
GBS you have to be laughing at this, my waist low brother!!!
Damn ProudAss and Puddy, you should create a research firm and sign up Goldy as your first client. FEMA was put under Homeland Security by the Democrats? This is TOOOOOOOOOOOO FUNNNNNNNY! Comment by PacMan— 9/7/05 @ 10:01 am
The word ‘client’ would mean a paying customer; in the case of these ‘give it to me, you owe me dems’ it would have to be first ‘pro bono’.
ProudAss: PacMan has a point. P&P Internet Research – Our Motto: “If you are kook democrat with a potential hate filled rant, visit our site first. We’ll prove it wrong first so you won’t be embarrassed when you try to publish it”.
So who is in charge of FEMA – Democrats!!!
Enough embarrassments would have Goldy paying us for the research!!!
Got to love Lt. Gen. Russel Honore!!! A Black military man who calls MSM rants BS!!! Go Russell Go!
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/02/honore.profile – A black man who kicks ass!!!
A liberal solution they should embrace
a) Wetlands are good; New Orleans is nearly a wetland today…= leave it flooded
b) Diversity is good; let N orleans residents move to Utah, Nebraska and other “non-color” states
NOW that the mayor has finally ordered forced, mandatory evacuations of the city, …will that include these guys hellbent on still celebrating their “Southern Decadence“?
Since I like to keep people laughing I am performing more research. Here is another link to DHS-FEMA:
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb.....11-19.html – Debate on the additional seven Repub provisions added.
Crocodile Tears Mary Landrieu excerpt from above: KWAME HOLMAN: And Louisiana Democrat Mary Landrieu facing a re-election run off next month waited to vote until the outcome was assured. – WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT?
KWAME HOLMAN: The Senate was heading toward final passage of the homeland security bill this evening and the President is expected to sign it soon. But because Congress failed to approve most of its appropriations bills during this session, no money has been allotted to create the new Department of Homeland Security and it could exist “on paper only” for several months to come.
So the Democrats want a DHS but don’t vote for $$$ to fund it? Remember Daschle was the head of the Senate in 2002.
ProudAss:
Pictoral Captions for your exhibit:
How low will the left go?
Look, it’s Donnageddon and Headless Loocy
Who is that with Goldy?
Wow look at those ABs!
ProudAss, please stop it my sides are hurting from laughing so hard!!!!
Landreau: wasn’t she governor, and her dad also governor (i’m too lazy to look up, but “Moon” landreau was a big figure there. And her brother is Lt Governor, right.
So the whole family has done nothing? Bad levees, no plans, bad building codes.
I mean the only reason you allow bad building or underwater construction is cuz somebody profits…
Well, well, we got a nice little wingnut circle jerk goin’ on here.
Here’s a little something to stir the pot.
Appropriatly Named Clueless…and we KNOW that to be true because you found it on the net…and on a site called BITTERwaitress??? Way to live up to the moniker, kiddo.
Nice try clueless. With that post you are again living your karma. Your post is a worthless as you are, hence clueless.
ProudAss, PacMan, righton, Cynical: Circle Jerk – Wasn’t that a liberal invention?
Cake scarfin’, gee-tar strummin’ Dear Leader “begged” Nagin.
damn, FTC stole my circlejerk line.
I’ll leave you then with ‘nice blame shell-game here’. You guys really think you can distract people from bush by hammering on Democrats?
I have faith that a majority of the people won’t be fooled.
theres that certain percentage of braindead redstaters that’ll be loyal to Bush no matter what, but I really think that the people with actual minds of their own are the majority.
PS to goldy, I only mention the screening because I feel it makes the rightie trolls look dumb for claiming its partisan… So I’m not whining :)
Clueless and Windie: The tmpcafe story is old news. Apparently Larry Johnson added nothing to the equation. We already placed the timelines for review on HA from various people from various sources. We see the president called the governor. The governor called the mayor. FEMA called LA. The mayor didn’t move until the National Weather service to him it’s coming. He waited until Sunday to give the evacuation order. Less than 24 hours later here comes Katrina. THe mayor’s own disaster plan proved you need 72 hours. So WTF was Nagin doing? You haven’t answered that.
Now we know through Internet searches the suggested movement of FEMA from cabinet level by Joe Lieberman and the Democrats to create the Homeland Security Department and make it the central point of disaster actions. Gosh how did Goldy miss that? Easy! Because he doesn’t perform due diligence. He has these preconceived hatred notions of how he wants life to be and therefore he crafts a message with specific words as identified by Cynical in another thread to inflame the lefties.
It’s your side full of vitrolic hatred who can’t process timelines. Do we need to send you the timeline in Microsoft Project? If 13% of the people blame GWB and 55% said it’s not his fault, WTF is your problem?
PUDDYBUD!
I’M TYPING IN ALL CAPS TO MAKE IT CLEAR FOR YOU, MAYBE THIS WILL GET THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULL!
MOVING FEMA UNDER DHS ISN’T THE SAME AS DEFUNDING IT! ITS ALSO NOT THE SAME AS APPOINTING REMARKABLY INCOMPETANT CRONIES TO HEAD FEMA AND DHS!
YOU’RE STILL PLAYING THE SAME CRAP GAME, TRYING TO DISTRACT LEGITIMATE COMPLAINTS OVER BUSH & CO’S BOTCHING OF THIS DISASTER BY ATTACKING THE DEMOCRATS!
WE’RE NOT IMPRESSED, BUT YOU GUYS FEEL FREE TO KEEP TELLING EACH OTHER HOW SMART AND RIGHT YOU ARE, AND HOW DUMB WE ARE! MAYBE YOU CAN HIDE YOURSELF FROM THE HORRIBLE PIT CORRUPTION AND CRONYISM HAS DUG YOUR PARTY INTO!
damn, my throat hurts from all the yelling.
Seriously tho, you’re not fooling anyone. “Blame the democrats for something vaguely related” is old news, and you need a new schtick.
Not that you’ll listen… I always forget I’m dealing with the Truth-impaired.
Windie: Thanks for the caps lock key sticking. I liked that. But it doesn’t help bill understand why some people cap some words!!!
You continually mention defunding FEMA. I Internet searched this and all I get are leftwing moonbat donk web sites. Please give me a link. Here is the speech by Mike Brown 3-2005 regarding budgetary requests:
http://www.fema.gov/library/sp.....30905.shtm
What is this “defunding” crap? Regarding fooling anyone and calling me truth impaired, wait a minute!! It’s your side who has put forth many lies. Who is deflecting? Not me. Your side (Goldy) places blog entries and you guys run with them. When called on the bullshit, you get all indignant? What is that?
Hey windie: What crack you been licking, because after those two posts I know you are not snorting crack? Maybe you are snorting manure.
Regarding thick skulls, it’s HA lefties who can’t seem to understand the issues. Anything that happens, you blame Bush. There’s no ice cream in the freezer – Blame Bush. No, soda in the pantry – Blame Bush. No fresh vegetables in the refrigerator crisper – Blame Bush. Dull knives in the knife drawer – Blame Bush. Admit it you hate the man, who is still smarter than John Kerry. Admit it, you want him to die a ignominious political death right? That would make your day windie.
Who is using the mantra – blame the democrats? Your side is slinging manure against the fan. It is not sticking!
And, with the populace saying the blame is not Bush’s; THAT JUST PISSES YOU OFF RIGHT WINDIE?
man, you guys really can’t take humor too well :p
I hate to see jokes wasted, even if they’re subpar.
I can’t do research at work, but I’ll try to look it up and post just for you when I get home…
(just a hint, the second post was making fun of the intentionally ‘n00bish’ style of the first post… We on the left actually understand self-depreciating humor :p)
also making fun of Mr. CYNICAL!
forgot that part.
A Reality-based timeline.
Clueless, An almost reality based timeline. Iit is almost correct but not full reality. Specific points missing. I already covered them. Is that purposeful by Josh? He is a lefty so what?
Also if you Google search my comments, I said President called the Governor. So if Brit is wrong that’s his problem. After my David dust-up on not attributing the sources, (duly noted) I validate many things.
You know things are bad when conservatives like Ms. Chickenhawk and Wrongboy (aka the pudster) have to spend a beautiful holiday weekend defending the incompentence of Bush. Sadly, you did about as well as Michael Brown did running FEMA. I’m sure you all will get medals from Bush for being such extreme failures.
As John Stewart noted, anyone that cannot admit to the Bush Administration’s abject failure in this situation has no credibility…, not that Wrongboy and Ms. Chickenhawk had much to begin with. Given that the sole reason that people elected Bush was that he was supposed to be the one that could lead in a crisis, there is nothing left of Bush’s supposed mandate. He took an agency, FEMA, that had worked wonderfully well under Clinton, and defunded it and made it the home for incompetent political cronies. So much for keeping the homeland safe.
So, Wrongboy, while you try your pitiful attempts to avoid the truth, how do you explain that On Friday, August 26, 2005, before Katrina hit, Bush:
“authorize[d] the Department of Homeland Security, Federal emergency Mangement Agency (FEMA), to coordinate all disaster releif efforts which have the purpose of alleviating the hardship and suffering caused by the emergency on the local population . . . .”
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news.....827-1.html
Sucks to be you, Wrongboy. Could the locals have done better, probably, but the whole reason we have a federal governement, a Department of Homeland Security, and FEMA is to step in when the local get overwhelmed. At least, supposedly that is why we have them. Under Bush, it looks like they are there just to provide jobs for losers in your political party.
Shame there isn’t someone like Bill Clinton who could return intergrity and competence to the White House.
Windie: I deal in self-deprecating humor by stating it up front. Bill complained about Cynical implementing CAPITALS and DR E. complained when another used them. When you scream, you have a reason. You said I had a thick skull. Well God knows why these brain neurons need protection, but the eyes and ears work well. It’s great to debate you. But clueless, you are your mantra!!! Do I need to repeat it again?
Wrongboy (aka pudybudy)
President Bush today asked “What didn’t go right,” in the federal resposne to the huricane. It seems that you and your leader both have the same ability to get everything wrong, as you will see when my previous post gets out of the filter.
222 – I won’t ask you to repeat yourself unless you volunteer to fill in the blanks – just point to a wingnut timeline you agree with.
A navy pilot saves lives and is put in the doghouse” by “history’s actors”.
Rove would be proud.
So you now have moved on about FEMA and who placed it into DHS? Good for you to admit history chases all garbage away!
JDB: Lover of Paul Captain Retraction Krugman. Glad to see ya back. I expect Goldy to clear your post before PacMan because you be a lefty!!!
FEMA meets the X-Files. Creepy.
What is the Job of Department of Homeland Security:
“In the event of a terrorist attack, natural disaster or other large-scale emergency, the Department of Homeland Security will assume primary responsibility on March 1st for ensuring that emergency response professionals are prepared for any situation. This will entail providing a coordinated, comprehensive federal response to any large-scale crisis and mounting a swift and effective recovery effort. The new Department will also prioritize the important issue of citizen preparedness. Educating America’s families on how best to prepare their homes for a disaster and tips for citizens on how to respond in a crisis will be given special attention at DHS.”
http://www.dhs.gov/dhspublic/theme_home2.jsp
Doesn’t look like they did there job well, eh?
Wrongboy:
Unlike the minnow, Goldy usually shows no favoritism.
I have no brief for Krugman, I just note he is a much better source than some right wing “Christian” webzine.
Speaking of which, still haven’t caught those Arabs and the shoulder fired missle that the Airforce scared off, have they? Further proof that the Department of Homeland Security and the Bush Administration has failed, eh?
We on the left actually understand self-depreciating humor :p) -Comment by windie— 9/7/05 @ 2:35 pm
And it’s damned good thing too, because you yahoos give us so much to laugh at.
Yep, you BlameBush fringies had a good couple day run there in the immediate aftermath of the hurricane from hell (which of course can’t exist because if it existed that would mean a heaven {equal and opposite reaction and all that good stuff} and if there’s a heaven then OH MY GOD! there might actually be a GOD!) but, as always, mainstream America ignores you and their wise decision to ignore you is confirmed when the truth dribbles out a bit slower than the nutburgers spewed their MooreOn talking points.
JustDumbBoy: No brief for Krugman? Damn man, so you use him when the going looks good, but when he retracts you don’t come on and say I was wrong.
ProudAss: Nutburgers, all nuts and “Where’s the Beef?”
Goldy: Thank you for this blog. I am having so much fun with the NutBurgers!
JustDumbBoy: There is nothing there that any righty has said differently. So what crack are you doing?
JustDumbBoy: Jon Stewart of the Comedy Show? He’s your news source? Wow you have really stooped to a new low. You gave up on Krugman?
Do you agree that the Senatoral Democrats who foisted DHS on everyone should not have taken FEMA and put it there?
The President did his job well. He called FEMA and the Governor. FEMA waits for the Governor’s call. FEMA could have Bogarted in there What part of that don’t you get JustDumbBoy. Read the Constitution. Read Posse Comatitus Law.
FEMA waits for the Governor’s call.
Not sourced but BS anyway. Bush does his duty on Saturday at the Governor’s request and FEMA doesn’t START until 11:00 am CDT on Monday.
Major disconnect…
When they do stuff it’s more like getting in the way than helping.
The Chimpinator checks out after Saturday. On Sunday at 8 am Katrina is category 5 nucular weapon headed for landfall.
Where’s the commander in chief? In the situation room? Is he getting hourly reports from FEMA?
The Chimpinator sez’ Brownie is doing a great job!
Wrongboy:
First of all, I already posted Krugman’s “retraction” which had nothing to do with your point. It is always interesting that you never actually post stuff like that, you just spin.
I have read Posse Comatitus. Guess what, Wrongboy, that only prevents the military from acting as police, doesn’t prevent them from air dropping supplies and water to those in need.
And, as I noted above, in cases of natural disaster, DHS assumes “primary responsibility . . . for ensuring that emergency response professionals are prepared for any situation. This will entail providing a coordinated, comprehensive federal response to any large-scale crisis and mounting a swift and effective recovery effort.”
And yet on Thursday, the head of FEMA said that they just learned there were people starving at the convention center…, hell, they just learned that there were people there.
Of course, since this is the Bush Whitehouse, that means the heads of FEMA and DHS will get promoions and medals.
No wonder you like Bush so much, it must give you hope that there is a place where the more you screw up, the more you get promoted. Given your intelligence, maybe you can be the next head of FEMA, you seem to be more than qualified.
Sorry JDB: My Bro is a political scientist. PC law is more than that. It works with the Constitution. You have to thank Mr. Loocy on this. Look at how Eisenhower used it to overcome the federal issue of the Arkansas nine. Go back and figure it out!
FEMA assumes responsibility when the State calls them in. Reread the laws of the land my boy!
You talk about intelligence? You haven’t proved jack to anyone about your low IQ knuckle dragging performance.
Wrongboy:
Let’s go for a blast from the past, since you have your knickers in a twist over Krugman:
“Pudbud, let’s post the correction:
“Also, the public editor says, rightly, that I should acknowledge initially misstating the results of the 2000 Florida election study by a media consortium led by The Miami Herald. Unlike a more definitive study by a larger consortium that included The New York Times, an analysis that showed Al Gore winning all statewide manual recounts, the earlier study showed him winning two out of three. ”
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08.....038;emc=th
Yep, So of the big studies, Gore wins in all three recount senarios by the large consortium, but under the Miami Herald recount, he just wins in two out of three scenarios. Major correction there. Still looks like my point is a hundred times more solid than yours, which still has not cites to back it up. ”
Quoting myself, and I’m still right, and you are still wrongboy.
Show me the law that prevents the military from airlifting in supplies, since you think you know so much. I’ll wait. And, I’ll note, in Arkansas, Eisenhower was nationalizing the National Guard. No need here, they could have loaded up a bunch of pallets at McChord and dropped plenty of supplies on the Convention center without breaking one law.
Why you insist on defending what is clearly a mistake is beyond me. Bush blew it. He put incomptetent people in charge of important things for political purposes. Imagine if terrorist had blown up the levees. Would you still be excusing Bush’s and Brown’s incompetence then? Great leaders admit when they make mistakes. Bad leaders blame everyone else. We know what side you are on; it must be so sad to be you.
JDB: Gore only wins two out of four recounts. Source National Review. Go find it. I posted it earlier last month. JDB Lie – DEBUNKED!
Mistake: The mayur and guvnur has to ask for help. The military navy man eloquently explained it last week. Did you miss that report too. JDB Lie: – DEBUNKED!
Military attacks are handled differently and you know this. JDB Lie – DEBUNKED!
I will agree that Brown and Chertoff made some dumb comments. But the mayur and guvnur didn’t? How about the dumb actions by the mayur and guvnur? JDB Lie – DEBUNKED!
ABC Report – Rather than the city using the buses to implement their own evacuation plan, and the city did nuthin!
Hey Goldy: You vaulted friends at teh Sierra CLub sued the ACoE to stop levee fortification. Shit just never stops.
http://www.nationalreview.com/.....080824.asp
More info for you JDB:
The source of Krugman’s “two out of three” claim has been a bit of a mystery over the last week among Krugman’s critics in the blogosphere (an account appears on the Just One Minute blog). But now the mystery appears solved. Directly or indirectly, the claim must surely come from an April 4, 2001, Miami Herald story by Martin Merzer, headlined “Review Shows Ballots Say Bush.” (I can’t provide a free link to the story, but those interested can obtain it for a small fee from the Herald’s online archives). Merzer’s story, as it appears in the Herald’s online archives, presented the Herald consortium’s “statewide manual recounts” calculated against three different standards:
“a loose standard where every dimple, hanging chad and pinprick was a vote” — by this standard, Gore would win by 393 votes;
“a tougher standard where a dimple counted only if the ballot had other dimples on it” — by this standard, Gore would win by 299 votes;
“a still tougher standard where a ballot had to have chads detached by at least two corners to count as a vote” — by this standard, Bush would win by 352 votes
.
At first blush, from this it would seem that Krugman is correct about Gore “winning two out of three.” But wait. The Herald is a Knight Ridder paper, and a Knight Ridder wire-service story written by the same Martin Merzer the very same day precisely repeated the results of the first three standards as given in the Herald version, but included a fourth as well. The Washington Post picked up the wire story under the headline “In Ballot Audit, Bush Prevails” (again, no free link, but it’s available for a small fee from the Post’s online archives), and the fourth standard was described as follows:
“A vote was counted only when a hole was cleanly punched, the most restrictive standard” — by this standard, Bush would win by 416 votes.
Mark Seibel, the former managing editor who ran the ballot-review process for the Miami Herald and is now international managing editor for Knight Ridder’s Washington bureau, reviewed his original source material and personally confirmed to me that the fourth “clean punch” standard under which Bush wins Florida by 416 votes was indeed part of the Herald consortium’s findings.
Neither Seibel nor Merzer have any idea why the fourth standard was omitted from the Herald’s story — both in its original print rendition and in the online archives. I’ve discovered that a 2001 book edited by Merzer, The Miami Herald Report: Democracy Held Hostage, also omitted the fourth standard. Seibel told me that he and Merzer had been unaware of it all these years, and speculated that it might have been a production error. But Seibel told me, “I’m absolutely positive that the fourth clean-punch standard described in our wire story is correct.”
Didn’t the guvnor say she denied the food and water to the Superdome because she didn’t want the people going there? Hmmm…? http://www.newsmax.com/archive.....5423.shtml
It’s FEMAs fault for no water at Superdome, Puddybud. NOT!
Guvnur dithered people died – mayur nagin: http://www.newsmax.com/archive.....0054.shtml
Wrongboy:
You really should go on vacation, since you are just making a fool of yourself now. You should know better than to trust your other Freepers as sources.
As for Krugman, people can read his actual acticle, which makes clear what he is talking about. What you are talking about, as usual, is less than clear. When looking at the overvote and under vote samples, every source makes it clear that in a complete recount, Gore wins.
It is amazing how wrong you can be. For instance, when you say “The mayur and guvnur has to ask for help.” You are wrong twice. First, teh Govenor did ask for help three days before the huricane hit. Bush then declared a state of emergency, directing FEMA to do everything possible to eliviate problems. Wrongboy wrong again. But that isn’t all. Homeland Security and FEMA’s actions plans call for them to be proactive and to act to save lives and provide help even without local requests in cases of catastrophic disasters. Wrongboy wrong twice in just nine words! That might set a record.
What military attacks have to do with anything, but the hole in your head, is beyond me. Doesn’t stop us from airlifting in supplies with the military. Given that I said nothing of the sort, you really can’t say I lied about anything. Of course, that doesn’t stop you fron lying, but if that is all you have, I guess that is all you can do.
I don’t have to worry about Nagin and Blanco. I do have to worry about Bush. When the earthquake hits here or in CA, Blanco and Nagin will have nothing to do with it. The incompetent Bush administration which you defend (incompetently, which seems fitting) is who will have to respond.
I would say it is a shame that you have no honor and cannot admit to the gross negligence of the Bush administration. But if you had any honor, you would have long ago been sicken by the lies and incompetency of the current administration.
JDB = JustDumbBlogger: You come over here because the heat of truth is too hot in the other thread? Full of Shit JustDumbBlogger.
Krugman is dead wrong like always. There are paid people who research is lies and then print the truth. Otherwise why would he have write a mea culpa? He wuz called on his written bullshit. JDB source – DEBUNKED
THe Miami Herald reporters said the story is true There analysis is correct. 2 out of 4. JDB Lie – DEBUNKED.
Negligence of the Bush admin? I already gave you the WaPo article in another thread saying that NO and LA squandered a whole bunch of levee money. Yet this truth cannot penetrate that lead lined brain bucket.
So JDB: How does one help before a disaster strikes? FEMA was there on August 31st, per NO Emergency Coordinator, Terry Ebbert. That’s why you are here. Trying again to lie to the HA lefty public. JDB bullshit – DEBUNKED
No you can’t accept the MSM debunking the Goldy thread lies and your hard held opinions that are now coming out and proving your position is full of shit as the space you have on the neck you call a brain!!!
Well, Wrongboy, I can’t say you don’t stick to the party line, even when it makes a fool out of you.
Krugman is not dead wrong. Your own source says that the Miami Herald report gave Gore 2 of 3. As was pointed out by Krugman, that was the smaller, less accurate report. So, as usual, he gave the facts, and you are wrong.
Negligence on the Bush administration? As your own post show, it took three days from the time FEMA was there to do anything. It took eight days from when they were activated to do anything. You are happy with this? Imagine if we had a competent president who actually ran things, like Al Gore, imagien how happy you would be. But, if you are happy sticking up for gross negligence like this, well, you will have plenty of work during this presidency.
Further gross management. We have had a GOP congress since 94, and the Senate has been tied or GOP for about as long. So who passed the money for those projects? Heck, even you, Wrongboy, won’t be wrong on that one. And who cut the Corps budget for the levees in NO to provide funding for a war of choice (and to wage a war for the first time in US history without an increase in taxes to pay for it), you got it, George Walker Bush.
You might as well give up. It is fun showing how wrong you are, and I will continue to do it, but the pattern is clear, you post some bad spin, and then I correct it, then you post more spin that just shows how wrong you are (well, FEMA was there on Aug 31. They just didn’t do anything until Sept. 3, so it must be the locals fault).
Leave the deflections and lies to an expert like Rove, it takes practice to try to coverup major incompetence by attacking others, and you are no good at it.
JDB: You provide conjecture, prove all of this without using leftwing donk web sites. I used the MSM to DEBUNK you.
And Krugman was proven wrong. Reread what the Miami Herald reporters said. If I remember it was YOU who said that Gore won all recounts Now you admit he lost at least one. The Miami Herald now adds another. Keep creeping along.
How am I posting more spin when these Democrat leaders are finally admitting when FEMA arrived. Prove your assertions with real links. I prove it using the MSM.
So you activate FEMA. You know guys the hurricane will hit somewhere so go there, get in harms way, wait & possibly die waiting, but you have to be there. He gave the order be there in 48 hours. link gov web site & MSM. They were there Aug 31, two days later. Link – TV, & MSM. What more of your shit do I need to shovel out of here?
I use the WaPo to discuss the $1+ billion squandered by Mary “Moon” Landrieu Jr and her pet projects. I love how you use Congress as the arbiter or $$$$ when the Republicans are in control & a democrat in the white house and then use the Republican President when democrats control Congress. Typical slide and deflect tactic by lefties!!!
Listen to KVI – 570 AM Sean Hannity does expose at 2:00 PM Hr (2:06 after commercials) on how the LA-NG blocked the Red Cross from the SuperDome.
Oooh, I see your Sean Hannity, and raise you a “real” news source:
Bush Urges Victims To Gnaw On Bootstraps For Sustenance
WASHINGTON, DC—In an emergency White House address Sunday, President Bush urged all people dying from several days without food and water in New Orleans to “tap into the American entrepreneurial spirit” and gnaw on their own bootstraps for sustenance. “Government handouts are not the answer,” Bush said. “I believe in smaller government, which is why I have drastically cut welfare and levee upkeep. I encourage you poor folks to fill yourself up on your own bootstraps. Buckle down, and tear at them like a starving animal.” Responding to reports that many Katrina survivors have lost everything in the disaster, Bush said, “Only when you work hard and chew desperately on your own footwear can you live the American dream.”
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/40305/2
Again, wrongboy, you have to read what I actually said, not what you wish I said, all reports of a complete recount (under and over votes) show you Gore won. Even by your twist, Gore won more often that not. And lets not forget that FEMA ran under Gore in the Clinton administration. I guess we know who the better president would have been now, the one that actually won.
And, wrongboy, can’t you see, by your own admission, FEMA was there 48 hours after the storm left (what took so long when you had 72 hours notice? who knows. Brown must have at a play with Condi), and yet they still didn’t do anything for another 72 hours. This is something you are proud of?
The 48 hours thing is for when you are caught by surprise, a terrorist attack or an earthquake. Not a hurricane where you have 72 hours head start. It wasn’t like Katrina might hit New Orleans or New York City. They had pre-possitioned material, and then did nothing for six days afterwards. FEMA, as I have showned, could have moved forward with or without help from the locals.
I don’t expect it to get through your little pea brain, but can’t you see, by admitting that FEMA showed up 48 hours late, and then not doing anything for another 72 hours, the Bush administration failed us all. And the fact that you don’t realize the truth of what you are actually posting just shows why you are always wrong, wrongboy.
The Superdome was the location of last resort and LA officials didn’t want people congregating there.
And FEMA still refused to act for eight days by your own admission. And, like I said, I don’t vote for the Govenor of LA, I vote for the President and am more concerned when he is busy getting a guitar and appointing incomptent people instead of running the country. That is what he was elected to do.
JDB: Do you read? I am wasting pixels on you if you don’t read. If not I won’t go any farther.
Wrongboy:
I apparenlty read better than you, since I realize that your entire argument centers around the incompetence of the Bush Administration, and you have yet to realize you have given that away.
Again, by your own admission, FEMA waited eight days from being activated, and three days after they were on the scene to do anything. You have an explanation? Nope, I didn’t think so.
DumbBoy: Apparently your reading skills are putrid. I have not said anything like that in your post 256. You did. That’s your silly argument. FEMA didn’t wait 8 days like you claim, FEMA didn’t do anything like you claim, and now as the MSM is checking into the Red Cross claim that the guvnur stopped the relief effort; it blows your hate BUSH argument apart.
DumbBoy: Do you agree that Lieberman’s idea taking FEMA out of a full cabinet position and placing it under DHS, as conceived by liberal democrats?
Since LA state officials say FEMA arrived on August 31st, 8 days earlier is August 23rd. Is this really your argument?
Wrongboy:
Do you admit that it was Bush’s job to see that FEMA and DHS were well administered?
And I’ll layout the timeline of what you have said.
Aug. 27, State of Emergency Declared, FEMA ordered to provide all aid and ready itself.
Aug 29, Huricane hits.
Aug 31, FEMA finally shows up.
Sept 2, FEMA there since Aug 31, but still had done nothing.
So, with 48 hours notice, it took, by your own source, six days for FEMA to do anything.
Do you agree that the failure of FEMA to do anything in eight days (by your own admission) is a sign of gross negligence on behalf of the Bush administration?
Wrongboy:
You do make it simple, let me quote you:
“This is a national disgrace. FEMA has been here three days, yet there is no command and control,” Ebbert said. “We can send massive amounts of aid to tsunami victims, but we can’t bail out the city of New Orleans.”
September 2nd, day 3; September 1st day 2; August 31st day 1 – WOW FEMA WAS THERE WEDNESDAY AUGUST 31st.
So, by your own admission, FEMA was still not doing anything as of Sept. 2. Eight days before is Friday, Sept. 26, when FEMA was activated. So, by your own admission, for eight days FEMA fiddled….
DumbBoy I am wrong. FEMA was on site trying to work but was blocked on August 30th. Terry Ebbert said this on Sept 1st.
http://www.breitbart.com/news/na/D8CBPBCG0.html
Superdome Evacuations Enter Second Day
Sep 01 7:59 PM US/Eastern
Let me use the JustDumbBoy method day calendar. August 30th FEMA on-site blocked by LA-NG per the guvnur. 8 days before that is August 22nd. Where was the Katrina Aug 22?
Sorry DumbBoy, your day mathematics don’t work. You have to start counting from the official day the LA officials say they were there. Terry Ebbert is the OFFICIAL LOCAL CITY GUY appointed by the mayur. Try and get real DumbBoy. Your hatred of Bush is affecting your mathematical skillz!!!
Wrongboy:
So, you were wrong. It wasn’t eight but seven days. I accept your appology.
So, let’s try it again, Sept. 1, FEMA there, but not doing anything. that means that on that day, it had been seven days since FEMA was activated with no response, by your source.
Just to make it clear, since you seem to be both mathmatically and logically challanged. 1) Sept 1, FEMA still not doing anything (by your very source), 2) Aug. 31, FEMA doing nothing, 3) Aug 30, FEMA doing nothing 4) Aug 29, FEMA doing nothing, 5) Aug 28, FEMA doing nothing 6) Aug 27, FEMA doing nothing, 7) Aug 26, FEMA activated by the President.
Seven days, and the agency that is supposed to respond did nothing, by your own admission. And, heck, we still don’t know if they did anything on the 8th or 9th day. To this day, it looks like it was the National Guard that did most of the work, once enough troops that were not in Iraq were mobilized.
Come on, admit it wrongboy, you don’t even believe the crap you are spreading, you are just trying for a Medal of Freedom now. Even you can’t be this wrong unless you are trying to be on purpose.
JDB: No one is supporting your venture in recombinatorial calculus. Hurricane hits August 28th. FEMA acts before the hurricane? Wow you be a genius. Hurricane passes Aug 29th. Levees break then. This is day 1. FEMA is asked to mobilize; given two days to arrive. That would be August 31st. Terry Ebbert claims claims FEMA arrived August 30th. Terry Ebbert claims FEMA not doing anything. But Terry Ebbert forgets to talk about the LA-NG blocking everything. You also forget that Bush wanted to federalize the LA-NG. Govnur says no. Bush can take them over? What law says he can do that?
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