There seems to be a lot of confusion over the vote count in WA-08 — even the utltra-reliable Josh Marshall at Talking Points Memo got it wrong — so let’s clarify a few things.
First, WA-08 spans King and Pierce Counties; over the past two elections about 81 percent of the votes have come from King, about 19 percent from Pierce. Currently Darcy Burner is leading in King County by about 0.75 percent, and losing Pierce by about 13 percent. Dave Reichert has been holding about a 2,700 vote lead.
Second, when the King and Pierce County results pages say 100% of precincts have reported, they are only referring to the poll votes, which will account for only around 20 percent of the total votes cast. The vast majority of votes were cast by mail.
Things don’t get any easier from there. Pierce reports that it has 65,000 ballots left to count, and King reports 189,000, but as we learned in 2004, these are only estimates and could even now be off by the tens of thousands, while thousands more ballots are still arriving every day. To further complicate the math, we have no idea how many of the remaining ballots actually fall within the boundaries of WA-08. In 2004 WA-08 accounted for about 30 percent of all King County ballots and about 20 percent of those cast in Pierce — but the absentee ballots are counted in no particular order, so it is quite possible that WA-08 is significantly over or under represented in the current count.
So how many ballots are really left to count? Who knows? If you assume that ballots counted thus far have been evenly distributed geographically, and you go by the ballots left to count reports, there should be about 57,000 WA-08 ballots left to count in King and about 13,000 in Pierce… but that just strikes me as way too low. This would produce a total turnout in WA-08 of about 223,000, compared to 336,499 in 2004 (a presidential election year and an open seat) and 203,335 in 2002 (a year when popular incumbent Jennifer Dunn faced no serious competition.) I find it hard to believe that turnout would be closer to 2002 than to 2004. But who knows?
And then there are the provisional ballots. Probably numbering in excess of 10,000 in King County alone. Just like in recounts, provisionals tend to favor Democrats, because let’s face it… on average, we simply have more trouble voting. These will be the last ballots to be counted, and could produce a several hundred vote surge for Burner at the very end.
So here’s my not very bold guess: only 40 to 60 percent of ballots have already been counted. That leaves plenty of room for Burner to erase a 2,700 vote deficit.
First.
Thanks for the clarification. I kept wondering why the counting on this race was so slow and worried when I heard “King County was counted” and Ms. Burner was still behind.
Appreciate the detail and all the efforts you’ve put in.
-Kevin of American Street
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/001973.php
Looks like the rethugs are up to their usual dirty tricks. What illegal, deceitful, wicked things did Sheriff Big Hair try in the 8th? We know he did SOMETHING funny. They all take their orders from Rove after all.
And by the way, they STILL lost. Oh the shame!
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Imagine what it is going to look like at the Washington DC unemployment office in January. All those GOP staffers……. Poor widdow weeeeeeeepubwikanz.
Maybe they could all get jobs working for the billionares they have been previously working for, without the congressional middleman……
Thanks for the update. Patience is the word of the day (or week it looks like).
I think the empircal story of our close elections & recounts(everywhere in America) is that democratic votes are systematically and consistently under-counted. We’ve got to keep hammering that point, because that’s what I’ve learned from watching the numbers change with baited breath in both 2000 Cantwell & 2004 Gregoire.
But, as far as WA-08 is concerned, I’m incredibly proud of what Darcy & her supporters have accomplished (even if the utlimate answer is that we don’t flip Wa-08). We’ll just have to wait for the next election. I believe that there were at least 2-3 former challengers who couldn’t do it in 2004, but managed to flip their districts in 2006. So, if all the democratic votes don’t ever get counted (and I don’t think they do unless there is a recount), well, we’ll just have to try to win by a larger margin the next time around.
bj
bj
1 What do you think this is…f*ckedcompany.com?
Re. provisional ballots:
Normally they favor Dems. Many (most?) of the provisionals cast this year in WA-08 were because of flooding and the floods were in a red part of the county.
I found it strange that my ballot was provisional. My regular polling place was surrounded by water so I had to go to an alternate place. Even though I signed into the same book with the same worker and put my ballot in the same machine I always do, it’s provisional because it was a different building.
My guess is that King County WA-08 will have about 260,000 votes to count, which means there are still a lot out there to be counted. Today they will add another 17,892. Pierce has yet to indicate how many new absentees have come in today, but they seem to be seeing a lower turnout there.
But speculation brews insinuation and rumor. We’re all better served to just wait for the results instead of concocting “stories”.
One more point: even if the provisionals don’t go our way, I think the mail-ins will. I read somewhere the mail-ins have been +0.75% for Darcy. Before the election though, polls showed Darcy getting +8% of the mail-in votes.
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Couldn’t help myself. Tha vast blank slate, you know.
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Maybe they could all get jobs working for the billionares they have been previously working for, without the congressional middleman…… Commentby Facts Support My Positions— 11/9/06@ 10:55 am
That’s not really viable for them, because the billionaires want volunteer work, i.e. they don’t PAY for the WORK you do for them — that’s how they got to be billionaires.
ProudAss isn’t exactly a spokesperson for the wingnuts let alone the GOP, but he’s rejected my peace terms, so it appears we can look forward to at least two more years of fun with at least one unrepentant wingnut.
Well, Daniel and Goldy, even with 04 numbers, which I do not expect, you have to start by looking at the est of votes out in both counties and the prior trend in both counties and run out the numbers. If you do this, Darcy drops by an additional 1,262 votes. She does not even pick up votes till she gets 4 times the margin in King. These uncounted ballots at best will look like the very first results we could see on election night from both counties which would generate a gain for Darcy of perhaps another few hundred votes.
In any event, this race will end up no where near as close as the Gov in 04 or Cantwell in 00 which were both state wide races.
I think we’ll know by this evening if Burner’s got a shot. If that 2,700 vote lead isn’t starting to melt like snow in a spring chinook after today’s reporting tallies from King and Pierce at around 5:30-6 pm, I think it’s over.
Sometimes it takes a while to flip a congressional district to match the President and legislators they vote for. It took years to boot out Northup in Kentucky, and Heather WIlson is STILL hanging tough. What’s nice about the 8th now is that there’s a VERY deep bench of state legislators who aren’t going to be vulnerable to cutesy ads about no job experience or public service, because the Ds now own the 45th,48th and 47th (the core of the 8th CD). Anyone who thinks Reichert’s faced his toughest re-election battle is fooling themselves.
Agreed eponymous, and the key will be finding a way to gain votes in the Pierce County portion of the 8th. Part of the issue will be the candidate and part will be message.
Also:
Hey, Goldy, remember your post where you said the candidiate with best ad in the 8th CD wins?
I think that “job experience” ad was pretty good. Not that we should pick candidates solely based on job experience- but that plus Smilin’ Sheriff Dave may have worked to win a close race.
I was a pollworker in a 12-precinct location in Seattle. In fact, I was the Provisional Ballot Judge, and processed 88 provos. That was way more than had been anticipated — we started out with 50 provo envelopes, and ordered another shipment of them by lunchtime.
I’d say that about 60% of the provos were absentees who said they didn’t receive ballots or that they misplaced them. A few had absentee ballot in hand, but didn’t have their security envelopes. That situation necessitated switching them over to provisionals. Most of the rest were newly-moved-in or recently-moved-out people whose names weren’t in the poll books. A few were clueless about where they were supposed to vote (somewhere else, obviously), and just dropped in.
Then there was the fellow from Duvall, who said he worked in Seattle and couldn’t get back to his flooded polling place. Knowing that that’s in another Congressional District, I/we realized that his potential choices (for Congress and for the state legislature) weren’t on the ballot. I suggested that he write-in his selections in the appropriate sections — either the county would figure it out and tally the write-ins where they should be, or they wouldn’t … but they certainly wouldn’t count a WA-07 or LD-43 vote from a Duvall resident.
Note that I made certain to never mention any candidate names or to query him in any way as to whose name he might write-in. I won’t even hazard a guess as to his chosen candidates.
Agreed eponymous, and the key will be finding a way to gain votes in the Pierce County portion of the 8th. Part of the issue will be the candidate and part will be message.
Weeeeeeelll, if Chris Hurst’s interested in a promotion, he would kind of neutralize the “I’m Sheriff Dave” factor, since he’s a lawman, too- and he’s won elections in the 31st, which is a tougher place for a D these days than Bellevue. The 31st also has a big slice of the 8th’s slice of Pierce County.
This is, of course, a bit premature while election results aren’t all the way in for ’06 yet. ;)
I also have to admit, if you had told me in the mid-1980’s that Democrats would effectively own the LDs for Bellevue, Kirkland, Redmond, Mercer Island and Kent (as in 11 Democrats and ONE Republican in those 4 LDs) within 20 years, I would have thought you were insane.
This is why work in districts like the 5th is very worthwhile. Within 4 years, democrats will again be elected there.
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There.
I feel SOOOOOOO much better.
Oh, and since I’m threadwhoring here, the I-920 results are hysterical. I figure you’d rather see this than Viagra spam or the usual gang of idiots posting nonsense, though:
http://vote.wa.gov/elections/g.....sures.aspx
Free advice to Frank: if you can’t even win the conservative vote in EASTERN WASHINGTON (I’m pretty sure I-920 would still lose if you tossed out all the Western Washington votes, since it got spanked in Spokane county, didn’t win Chelan, Walla Walla and Whitman, and barely won in Yakima and Benton- AND lost some other dryside counties), you picked a crappy issue.
This should also serve as a notice to Congress: feel free to tell W to piss up a rope regarding the repeal of the federal estate tax, and they should feel completely empowered to reinstate a reasonable estate tax that doesn’t screw family businesses but DOES capture revenue from zillionaires.
A very smart commenter (I believe I might be related) stated way back in March or April: “Burner will win greater Bellevue. But the further south you go the worse she will do. Focus needs to be on Kent, Auburn, Sumner, Bonney Lake, etc.”
What a genius!
Still most of the righties haven’t showed up here. As I predicted, the fucking cowards have cut and run and are crying in their milk.
Punks.
The righties will show up again. After they were proven 100% wrong in the 2004 Governor’s race recount (about the outcome, the facts in the trial, the Republicans chances, etc.) they stopped being assholes for about, oh 2 weeks.
Cynical even changed his name to Mr. Irrelevant. Then they all came back as if it had never happened.
Provisional ballots do favor Democrats. More so than the average King County ballot, which also favor Democrats.
So why do Democrats in King County want to go to “all mail” voting, which would greatly suppress the number of provisional ballots?
At the present time, provisional ballots can be cast at any of over 500 polling places on election day.
If “all mail” voting is adopted, provisional ballots might only be able to be cast at the County Auditor’s office. This is the case in Snohomish County — you have to travel all the way to the county courthouse in Everett if you need to cast a provisional ballot.
Ron Sims has proposed to have “a handful of regional voting centers” under “all mail” voting, but only if this is logistically and economically feasible. Even if there are a few additional locations — for example, the 9 district court buildings outside of Seattle — the number of people traveling the extra time and distance to these locations for provisional ballots will be greatly suppressed.
Who casts provisional ballots? A lot of people do.
1. Inactive voters, for example, who are folks that move without updating their address with the elections office. They have to cast a provisional ballot on election day, and will still have to with “all mail” voting, since inactive voters are not mailed mail ballots either.
2. Recent registrants, whose applications have not been processed in time. These folks register in droves right before the October deadline in presidential years. Since they aren’t on the computer, they won’t be getting their mail ballot in the mail either, and will need to cast provisional ballots on election day.
3. People who don’t receive or misplace their mail ballots. This happens to a percentage of mail ballot voters. They have to go to the polling place on election day and vote by provisional ballot. Even if this percentage stays the same, the number of voters in this category will increase, since all voters will have to get their ballots by mail.
How many people cast provisional ballots? In the November 2004 general election, there were 28,010 valid votes (or at least ballots that were tabulated, as opposed to rejected) cast by provisional ballot in King County:
http://soundpolitics.com/Provi.....050118.pdf
I would estimate that only allowing provisional ballots to be cast at the King County Elections Office downtown would probably reduce their number by at least 90%. If we have “a handful of regional voting centers” – for example putting them in each of the 9 district court buildings outside of Seattle – the number of provisional ballots actually cast will still probably be reduced by at least 50%.
But let’s suppose that provisional ballots were suppressed by only 10% under whatever plan Ron Sims comes up with. If we had eliminated 2,801 provisional ballots (10% of 28,010) in November 2004, this would have resulted in a net loss to Gregoire of at least 504 voter (based on her 18% margin in King County, which was several points higher among provisional ballots).
Why are the Democrats so gung ho about adopting an elections plan that would have certainly assured Dino Rossi’s election had it been in place in November 2004 in King County?
Allen has conceded with a 0.3% deficit in a race that actually mattered. Why can’t the Democrats let this one go, one that doesn’t even matter, and they are down by 1.8%?
Did anybody catch Goldy’s comment regarding Democrat votes “….on average, we have more trouble voting” ? What does that mean? Maybe the ballots need to be printed in one more language (Demospeak?)or process needs to be more culturally sensitive since some may not have “a future time orientation” and a deadline for voting is discriminating and racist.
In Spokane County, there is over 60,000 ballots to still be counted at of Thursday 11-9-06.
Now someone is actually going to work:
Our former GOP Congress wasn’t just stupid and corrupt—they were lazy as hell!
Rujax @ 27:
Ditto for me.
jcricket @ 34:
At least JCH won’t be allowed back on HA.
Pope @ 35:
C’mon, get over it. You lost. Your party lost. And, more importantly, Speaker Pelosi is going to dismantle the radical Conservative Christian element from the Republican party at the national level.
Good ridance.
Frenchfuck Dems are already backing down from impeachment. Too bad, I was hoping for the moonbat libs to go for it.
Funny how this race would already have been decided with all poll voting. But hey vote by mail is great, now everyone can just say, “who knows when the counting will be over”.
Vote by mail = Much longer election cycles
Daddy Love @ 40:
I saw something about that about a year ago. Apparently, they were using Monday’s and Friday’s as days to meet with their K Street lobbyist buddies and major campign contributiors.
It was always about the money for the Culture of Corruption and never about the people’s business.
35 RP
“I would estimate that only allowing provisional ballots to be cast at the King County Elections Office downtown would probably reduce their number by at least 90%. If we have “a handful of regional voting centers” – for example putting them in each of the 9 district court buildings outside of Seattle – the number of provisional ballots actually cast will still probably be reduced by at least 50%.”
Oh, so you would estimate, eh? Well, I think you’re pulling your “estimates” out of your ass. It is the crux of your argument and yet its weakest point. If you have some statistical basis for believing this, you should really share it with us. Otherwise, I see lots of good reason to doubt your unsupported opinion.
BTW, it takes me 5 minutes to get to my local district court, but 15 minutes to drive to my polling place.
I should mention to you all the the KC County Council has writtten into the law enactig all-mail balloting that there will be regional voting centers AND drop boxes at which voters may deposit provisional ballots, so Richard Pope is talking through his hat here. WHILE pulling numbers out of his ass. He should either be in a circus or lead the New Life Church.
44 Gentry
Sorry we’re not all indulging your need for immediate gratification.
Gentry,
But what really is the hurry? I’d rather have accurate and respected results than hurried and botched ones.
Some timely words from a true Democrat:
“A little patience, and we shall see the reign of witches pass over, their spells dissolve, and the people, recovering their true sight, restore their government to its true principles. It is true that in the meantime we are suffering deeply in spirit, and incurring the horrors of a war and long oppressions of enormous public debt……If the game runs sometimes against us at home we must have patience till luck turns, and then we shall have an opportunity of winning back the principles we have lost, for this is a game where principles are at stake.”
Thomas Jefferson, 1798, after the passage of the Sedition Act
45 GBS
Republicans in Congress: “Well, someone has to write the legislation; better the lobbyists than me. Now, if you’ll excuse me, my yacht is waiting.”
GBS @ 41
Obviously, you didn’t read my post at all.
And I would imagine that some liberal group like ACORN will realize how suppressed provisional voting will be under this plan, and file a lawsuit to deal with it. Which will probably be successful, since Section 302 of the Help America Vote Act guarantees the right to provisional voting at polling places. How can be right be guaranteed, if polling places are virtually eliminated and not very accessible?
Section 301 of HAVA also guarantees disability access at each polling place. Imagine the disabled person who has to cast a provisional ballot for whatever reason. It is difficult enough to go to a local polling place that may be a mile or less away. How about traveling 20 or 30 miles (and an hour or more each way) to the county courthouse, or a “regional voting center”?
And what in the hell do my comments have to do with either Speaker Pelosi or “radical conservative Christians”? People in San Francisco and the Bible Belt — and all throughout the other 48 states — have polling places for every precinct. Washington and Oregon are the ONLY states which are basically eliminating polling places in favor of “all mail” voting.
First the investigations, then, and only then can there be an impeachment.
Just remember, Speaker Pelosi is only a bullet and a pacemaker away from the White House. There’s no hurry. . . . .
Commentby Tree Frog Farmer— 11/9/06@ 2:09 pm
Absolutely uncalled for. This sounds like something one of our far-far-right trolls would say.
51 RP
Maybe “liberal group[s] like ACORN” don’t “realize” how suppressed provisional voting will be under this plan because it WON’T be? I’m not saying it will or it won’t. But maybe the reason you don’t see the hue and cry you seem to be waiting for is because there’s no need?
Oh, and we should all note that Richard has not SEEN any plan for how many regional voting centers or drop boxes there will be, or where.
Why are YOU all upset about it?
Commentby Richard Pope— 11/9/06@ 2:09 pm
Being one of those old reactionaries that actually stirs himself from his easy chair in order to go to my polling place to vote (local Lutheran Church – the preschool parents hold a bake sale on election day with some really good pumpkin bread) I tend to agree with much of your post about all-mail voting.
I think that it is far more advantageous to the Republicans than to the Democrats. They seem to think so too, based on the number of “The Democrats hope you won’t have time to vote” ads I received this election cycle.
The Republicans are really pushing vote-by-mail. That alone is enough to make me a bit suspicious.
Hey RP, did you oppose the HAVA when it was proposed?
Michael at 36: I also wondered why Allen conceded, especially with so much at stake. One possibility: The FBI is investigating phone calls to Democratic voters pretending to be election workers which falsly informed the voter of a “location change” in the polls. Perhaps he didn’t want a prolonged investigation which might reveal other dirty tricks? If he conceded early, wouldn’t it be a moot point, and the investigation might be rather limited? If it looked like he was going to lose anyway, what purpose would be served by risking himself and his friends to prosecution?
55 JB
“The Republicans are really pushing vote-by-mail.”
What I have been hearing is that they oppose it. If they favor it, I don’t know how that squares with their fanatic zeal for ID requirements at voting time.
WAR ON CHRISTMAS
It’s that time of year again — time for rightys to accuse liberals of waging a “war against Christmas.” Hey wingfucks — wanna hear Christmas carols? Tune in to 1090 AM, Air America, they’re playing ’em.
hates Americafirst @ 43:
Your negative mindset is exactly what caused the Culture of Corruption crowd to lose their majorities in congress.
What you don’t realize, but Speaker Pelosi does, is that George W. Bush is worth more to the Democrats remaining president than being swiftly removed from office. Here’s why:
Don’t fool yourself into believing there won’t be any subpoena’s or investigations — because there will be plenty.
Speaker Pelosi will force George W. Bush, Dick Cheney and the rest of the culprits to explain why they did NOTHING prior to 9/11 despite President Clinton putting the White House on a war footing after the USS Cole attack.
George W. Bush and others will have to explain the manipulation of intelligence in the run up to the Iraq War. Here’s a phrase you’ll get overly familiar with: DOWNING STREET MEMOS!! Ohhh yeah.
When former Army generals testify that Rumsfeld and the president ignored their input in how to conduct the war in Iraq, ohhhh shit.
When they have to explain how $8.9 BILLION dollars in American Tax Payer cash disappeared — ohhhh man.
When Cheney has to explain his “secret energy task force” and who attended, well, that’s just more shit hitting the fan.
When the Republicans have to explain run away borrowing from China and the rest of the pork, ohhh that’s just not gonna fly with the American public.
When Bush and his crew has to explain how nobody could imagine the levee’s breaking in New Orleans and the lack of response, ohhhh that’s gonna hurt.
When Bush has to explain why his buddies got no bid contracts for FEMA trailers and burial services in the Gulf States, ohhhh, fuck.
When Bush has to explain why Jack Abramoff made 485 visits to the White House, ohhhhhh yeahhhh.
When Bush has to explain why they wouldn’t allow senior citizens the power to negotiate with the big pharmaceutical companies for their medications, bilking billions of dollars from our seniors, ohhhh that won’t be good.
There’s more, plenty more, but you’re getting the idea. The shame and embarssemnt of having to explain his neglegent conduct over and over and over.
George W. Bush being held to account for his policies will instill in the public’s mind that conservatives CANNOT lead only steal.
The public will be so against the Republicans that they will vote more of them out of office in ’08 and our majority in congress will grow stronger.
Here’s the final dagger in the heart for any GOP wingnut seeking the presidency in ’08; There isn’t one Republican with national credibility that didn’t staunchly support George W. Bush and the Republicans in congress while the Culture of Corruption flourished. Any and all GOP candidates will be tagged in ’08 as a “Bush Republican” or a “Bush Supporter.”
That’s why I’ve always said the thing the Republicans fear the most is the light of Truth and Justice being shinned on them. It will expose them for exactly what they are: White Collar Criminals.
The Republicans earliest shot at the White House will be 2016. Congress probably 2020.
Unlike you bastards who tried to remove President Clinton from office over the dumbest things, we’ll use the power not to remove Republicans from office, just to show the American people exactly what they are; unqualified to lead. The American people will finish the job of removing the Republicans from office with their VOTE. Just like they did 2 days ago.
I know you guys don’t believe in Karma, but it can be a real mother fucker. So deal with it, chump.
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Free advice to Frank: if you can’t even win the conservative vote in EASTERN WASHINGTON (I’m pretty sure I-920 would still lose if you tossed out all the Western Washington votes, since it got spanked in Spokane county, didn’t win Chelan, Walla Walla and Whitman, and barely won in Yakima and Benton- AND lost some other dryside counties), you picked a crappy issue.
Commentby eponymous coward— 11/9/06@ 12:54 pm
I have some better advice for Frank: Give it up, sell to Hearst, go sailing. Life is short. Enjoy it while you still can.
55 JB
Seattle PI
“The council’s five Democrats voted to OK the all-mail elections, while the four Republicans opposed the plan.”
It’s a Democratic plan, for God’s sake. Let’s at least understand the facts. That’s why Richard opposes it.
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Money, Richard. It’s all about money. Running two parallel voting systems costs more money.
Mike @ 35
Perhaps the reason Allen conceded was because there were not enough outstanding ballots to make up the difference…as opposed to WA-08, where clearly there are more than enough. You don’t concede without the ballots being counted!
RP, to answer whether VBM is advantageous to Republicans…how are they doing in Oregon?
Don’t believe the bullshit. Most of them will stay Democrat. Republicans have turned a generation against them.
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Did anybody catch Goldy’s comment regarding Democrat votes “….on average, we have more trouble voting” ? What does that mean? Maybe the ballots need to be printed in one more language (Demospeak?)or process needs to be more culturally sensitive since some may not have “a future time orientation” and a deadline for voting is discriminating and racist.
Commentby Rick— 11/9/06@ 1:55 pm
No Rick, all Goldy meant was Democrats have a harder time turning out their vote. Now go fuck yourself.
Gee, my boss (a Japanese national) just asked me: “How come the price of gas just went up ten cents overnight?”
I couldn’t answer, I was too busy laughing.
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Frenchfuck Dems are already backing down from impeachment. Too bad, I was hoping for the moonbat libs to go for it. Commentby americafirst— 11/9/06@ 2:00 pm
You don’t get it. If Bush is an obstructionist and vetoes everything the Democratic Congress passes, impeachment is back on the table. Instantly. Watch and see.
Impeachment is a bargaining chip. Bush is being given a chance to cooperate with a bipartisan government. It’s up to him whether to take it.
Personally, I almost hope Bush behaves like a complete ass. He’ll be handing us the White House in 2008 if he does.
The only thing I want to see when we got Total Vote By Mail is some kind of cypher system where, over the internet, we can anonymously check if our vote was talled correctly. There’d be some kind of code on the receipt we keep when we send of the ballot so we can check it once it has been recorded.
Open letter:
Particle Man, one thing I don’t think you, or anyone in the press for that matter, is taking into account on the absentee ballots is that they haven’t started counting the GOTV voting from Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday and Tuesday yet. Sunday and Monday are likely to be arriving today and Tuesday’s is likely to arrive tomorrow.
Pope @ 51:
Actually, I did read it — Zzzzz Zzzzz Zzzzz. Obviously, you’re missing the point, but I don’t have time to explain the irony to you.
p.s. Not to mention that the Bus Driver flak wouldn’t show up on the absentee ballots until Friday/Saturday at the earliest.
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I’m happy to let the investigations go where they may. There’s so much dirt there that somebody’s definitely going to come up muddy. If the president is dirty, he should go down. Cop show talk. Let’s bring in The Shield or something. Hand Bush over to Dr. House.
Perhaps the reason Allen conceded was because there were not enough outstanding ballots to make up the difference
No one has any idea how many provisional ballots are outstanding in Virginia. At least VA is smart enough to say that absentee ballots must be recieved by election day, not postmarked by election day, but there could be any number of provisional ballots sitting in a box in the wrong precinct that haven’t even been delivered to the counting precinct yet.
73 GBS
RPope’s a hoot. He’s a good Republican and as such opposes vote by mail. But he’s gone all Concern Troll on us and wants us to think that he’s just helping Democrats to understand that oppsing VBM will help avoid vote suppression. Then he pulls some stats out of his ass to “prove” that there will be said suppression, under a plan that does not at all resemble KC’s published intentions.
Instructive. Not.
“despite President Clinton putting the White House on a war footing after the USS Cole attack.”
Oopps the hore just dropped some doo doo.
Clinton NEVER had the nation on a war footing you idiot! That was the problem. Lobbing some missiles into a baby milk factory is NOT A WAR FOOTING unless you are a liberal!
69 Michael
They say that they hope to finish the canvass (vote count) today. The deadline for completing the canvass work is Tuesday.
Virginia is heavily electronic voting, which makes recounts a matter of retabulating the canvass of machine totals. No one gains or loses very many votes in their system, so a 7000 vote lead is insurmountable except by act of God.
That’s why Allen conceded. It would do him no good to proceed.
Gee, if the Democrats sought to impeach Bush, then the following would happen:
1st quarter 2007: Congressional Investigations
2nd quarter 2007: Impeachment Hearings/Vote
3rd quarter 2007: Senate Trial
4th quarter 2007: Vote in Senate, Bush is removed from office. V.P. Cheaney becomes President
1st quarter 2008: New Vice-President is confirmed, appointed by Cheaney and one which is a moderate Republican (to satisfy the Senate which must confirm him).
2nd quarter 2008: Cheaney resigns “for health reasons”, new V.P. takes over, becomes presumptive Republican nominee, campaigns as a “reform Republican”.
Nov. 2008: A close election for President.
So, why would Pelosi and other Democrats want to assist in that scenario? The only way impeachment actually benefits the Democrats (other than the temporary satisfaction at “getting even”)?
What you nutjobs fail to realize is that you did not put the Republicans out – WE DID! Lincoln Chafee? Hell he is considering becoming a moonbat – he already IS a moonbat. We just cleaning house and you happened to be the two year beneficiaries of an un-veto proof one seat majority in the senate.
But please, keep pursuing your radical revenge agenda. Distracting investigations, dismantling the tools that have allowed Homeland Security to keep AQ from striking us again. Go full steam ahead with ever Bush hating measure you have come up with. Please. Pretty please with sugar in top. Oh and put nuts like Roger Rabbit front and center for all America to see what Democrats looke like. Let hims speak his mind too.
;)
You need to start getting ready for defeat on this one; to win Darcy would have to get a much higher percentage of votes in the uncounted mail ballots than she did in either the poll ballots or the already counted mail ballots. That doesn’t seem very likely. She could have won, but she trailed other Democrats in her district substantially, despite having plenty of money, because she didn’t attack Reichert on anything except being at Bush’s side. She didn’t attack his votes, e.g. against mammograms included in insurance, she didn’t attack his “experience,” e.g. keeping and rewarding bad cops, including a criminal cop, and she didn’t attack his “hero” claim, e.g., for not using Ridgeway’s DNA evidence for years, while Ridgeway probably kept on killing. Those facts will be harder to use next time, as they grow farther away in time and Reichert’s incumbency in Congress increases. This outcome is altogether a shame (and I helped pay for her ineffective advertising).
71 Truth
You’re talking about what he did after the Tanzanian and Kenyan embassy attacks, not the Cole.
Clinton has claimed to have put us on alert at the time.
But military attacks play into al Qaeda’s hands. The 9-11 Commission Report cites one source who said in February 2001, “[bin Laden] complained frequently that the United States had not yet attacked [in response to the Cole]… Bin Ladin wanted the United States to attack, and if it did not he would launch something bigger.”
Clinton was too cagy to attack militarily (and of course the USS Cole attack came two months before he left office). Bush obliged al Qaeda and then some.
74 Truth
“you did not put the Republicans out – WE DID”
Good one. So you lost your Congressional majorities on purpose to ideologically purify your party and move yourselves farther in the direction America opposes. Well, then….thanks.
75 Steve
Do you live in the 8th? Because Darcy had a very spohistiaceted direct mail campaign naming his votes on traditionally women’s issues aimed at peeling women away from Reichert. I am sure they thought that attacking Reichert’s sheriff record would hurt her more than help her. That may be wrong. The Rove theory is to attack your opponent’s strengths. I don’t think our party needs to follow Rove. He’s not looking too brilliant today.
Bin laden wanted the US to chase him into hiding in a cave. That’s a good one. I supposed when we nuked Japan we fell into Hirothito’s evil plan too.
And you are welcome for the the gift. At least you seem grateful. Anytime republicans vote to tax and spend like Democrats, it is time for them to go. And when they become as sleazy as Democrats, then too it is time for them to go. Unlike Democrats who will stick by scum such as William Jefferson and Gerry Studds, we don’t idolize the creeps we give them the boot.
You think all of America is crazy potty mouthed liberal like HA here? Boy, have you got a surprise coming.
Again I urge you to start your impeachment proceedings as soon as possible. I am sure the distraction is just what AQ is looking for. And then the discovery happens, all the Democrats who were sure Saddam had WMD will have their statements entered into the record.
75 You said it Daddy Love. Americans flirt with hate, they can handle it for a little while (some forever – ie the HA trolls) but the majority of Americans prefer hope and progress toward goals.
Rove’s strategy is all hate all the time. YAWN
@76,
“Clinton has claimed to have put us on alert at the time.”
That’s funny. He claimed? Even you don’t actually believe him. Maybe your not as dumb as I thought.
not a statistician, but i crunched some numbers with assumption that percentage holds for pierce but goes 54/46 for darcy in king with vote total in between goldy’s numbers for 04 and 02 and yet-to -be-counted ballots come in same proportion as those already received. then i did the same thing except changed king to 53/47 & 52/48 darcy. darcy wins by ~2100 votes in 54/46, wins by ~185 votes in 53/47, and loses by ~1700 in 52/48. so it’s a challenge but not insurmountable statistically speaking. no matter what, darcy is a damn fine person and candidate and i am proud to have volunteered for her.
Delusional2006 @ 74
My boy, I think you need a broader forum than this blog to broadcast your keen political insights. If you represent what is left of the Republican Party, then you owe it to your ideological soulmates to shout your views from the nearest mountaintop. Maybe you can get on tv, certainly you can call into radio shows. And, of course, there are always letters to the editor. Do all of these, my fine fellow. Let the nation know what the rightwing thinks. To keep your views pure, don’t read any newspapers or magazines or listen to anyone who might have a view that differs from yours. And, for God’s sake, keep the television tuned to Fox News, but keep your remote in hand to mute the occasional voice of moderation that appears there.
79 Truth
Bin Laden wanted us to attack an Arab Muslim country to turn Mucslim sentiment agaisnt America and help recruit for his team. And according to the 2006 NIE, it worked.
Jefferson was stripped of his committee assignments, but as the investigation is ongoing and no indictments have been issued (and his constituents re-elected him), it would be premature to take further action againt him.
Get over Gerry Studds. It was 20 years ago, a Republican was censured at the same time as Studd, but for porking a girl page, and the Democratic House enacted rules and set up the Page Board after that to protect pages, which your boys all ignored. But I don’t hear you calling for the heads of Hastert, Reynolds, Alexander, and Shimkus. Neither did high-minded Republican voters vote them out.
81 Truth
He claimed it and I have not yet independently verified it.
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I’m happy to let the investigations go where they may. There’s so much dirt there that somebody’s definitely going to come up muddy. If the president is dirty, he should go down. Cop show talk. Let’s bring in The Shield or something. Hand Bush over to Dr. House. Commentby Daddy Love— 11/9/06@ 2:57 pm
It hasn’t dawned on our wingfuck friends that what we know now is only what came out while the GOPers were in control and could hide everything — and the Culture of Corruption that prompted voters to hand over Congress to the Democrats undoubtedly is only the tip of the iceberg. The real shit is yet to come.
I’ll bet the document shredders in D.C. are burning out motors right and left.
With the liberators knocking at the gate, the concentration camp guards are burning their papers.
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Give it up, Michael. Allen conceded. There won’t be a recount. It’s over. The House and Senate are ours.
Looks like the GOP cheating machine broke down on Tuesday. Guess the dike broke and their pumps couldn’t deal with it, ha ha ha.
truth@74….very accurate. do you moonies really think that you did this all by yourselves? hey we get rid of the trash….YOU re-elect it. allen “might” have used a racial slur…..he’s gone.
bryd really did attend lynchings as one of the grand poobahs of the KKK and you just keep re-electing him until he dies.go figure. i never realized that saying something was WORSE than actually doing it.
Hmmmm…who knew?
kennedy leaves a girl to die so he can run to a phone and check on the family trust? that’s murder folks. but the only way he won’t be in politics is if he dies. because the dead may vote in washington state but they still can’t run for office elsewhere….YET. maybe the moonbats will change that…..
i never realized that saying something was WORSE than actually doing it.
Hmmmm…who knew?
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We don’t have the Senate votes to remove Bush. It takes two-thirds, i.e. 67 Senators, so we’d need every Democrat plus 16 Republicans. Depending on what investigations uncover, though, it’s conceivable Republicans would, depending on the evidence, join with Democrats to oust Bush and Cheney. For example, if it turns out they knew about 9/11 in advance and let it happen to build power for their party.
74
We? What “we” are you talking about? All the Republican voters who left the reservation because of the overpowering stench? By “we” do you mean voters like this guy?
http://seattletimes.nwsource.c.....ets09.html
“Now, the spin and self-delusion will begin in the White House.
“[The Democrats’ victory] was what happens in the sixth year of an administration. It was the result of necessary, but unpopular decisions. It was because of scandals unrelated to the administration.
“Rubbish!
“Mr. President, this is what repudiation looks like. This is repudiation of you, of an administration that lives in its own universe and rejects information from outside of it; and, of course, it is repudiation of the unnecessary Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld war.
“Hopefully, it is also repudiation of Bush-Rove scorched-Earth politics that say 1 percent is the best margin of victory because it minimizes the need to compromise with “enemies.”
“When I sat in the Bellevue Republican office in October 2000, working the phones to help make George W. Bush the president, I never thought I’d feel this way today, but politics does make strange bedfellows, doesn’t it?
“All hail the return of checks and balances to the American political system! As has always been the case, we will be better for it.
— Curt Fredrikson, Renton”
ProudAss, it’s really simple. The middle class left the GOP and came back to the Democrats. No more complicated than that.
71, 76
The facts of the Cole bombing are simple. The Cole attack occurred in Oct. 2000, less than 3 months before Clinton left office. No one knew who did it. That wasn’t determined until late Jan. 2001, a week or two after Bush took office. Did Bush declare war against Al Qaeda when that report hit his desk? Hell no, he did nothing until 9/11. He spent 42% of his time on vacation in Texas.
There’s no end to the lies and spin spewed by the wingnut fuckwads.
bj@7……this is the problem. you guys really do think that everyone MUST think like you, don’t you? wow…that’s sad.
i look at this election and i don’t think it was fixed…but you do…. and yet, “you” won, right?
i look at it [and since i have faith in my fellow americans] i just think…well the GOP has screwed some things up badly and the people wanted a change.
and what do you think?
“it was rigged i tell ya’!!!”
why? because the country is pretty evenly divided? normal.
you sound like a KGB agent from the USSR.”everyone is not agreeing with me…..heads must roll”
sadly…as i have suspected all along…you guys really don’t have any new ideas, have never had any new ideas and whining has become such a part of who you are that you can’t do anything else.
well…you wanted control, i suggest you all suck it up and try to think and act like adults. we will all be watching….and probably laughing our asses off most of the time.
now we get to be the monday morning quarterbacks..
hey…pass the popcorn this is going to be fun.
Hey Ass — I thought my peace offer was very reasonable, but since you won’t want peace I’m going to kick your lying unpatriotic Nazi ass!
Where x = number of votes Darcy needs to win, because
x – ([# of uncounted ballots] – x) = [# of votes she is behind]
then
2x – [# of uncounted ballots] = [# of votes she is behind]
x = ([# of uncounted ballots] + [# of votes she is behind])/2
and
x/[# of uncounted ballots] = [percentage of the uncounted ballots she needs]
Hey, I’ve got an idea. Since Rush Limbaugh said (yesterday) that he was “tired of carrying water for those who clearly didn’t deserve it”, we should now refer to him as “waterboy”.
Man, what a jerk. He uses a boil on his rear end to avoid service in Vietnam but isn’t afraid to push other people’s kids into harm’s way in Iraq, lies repeatedly (daily) on his radio show, talks his maid into illegally getting oxycontin for him and then blames her when the feds catch him, avoids prosecution but gets caught with prescription drugs (viagra) in another’s name when he returns home from a trip out of the country, and now he’s saying the Republicans who lost the election are unworthy of him.
Look, “waterboy” – as much as I dislike the Republicans who fed scandal after scandal, supported an incompetently led morass into Iraq, and raided the national treasury to give their rich frinds a tax break and no-bid contracts, at least they had the nerve to stand for election. All you do is “entertain”. No wonder the American voters rejected you and what you represent in droves.
The first thing the Republicans should do to resurect their party is to stop listening to you, en masse, cut you off from all communications, and kick you out onto the curb. After they have effectively lanced the boil which you are, then they can begin the healing process.
But please, keep pursuing your radical revenge agenda. Distracting investigations, dismantling the tools that have allowed Homeland Security to keep AQ from striking us again. Go full steam ahead with ever Bush hating measure you have come up with. Please. Pretty please with sugar in top. Oh and put nuts like Roger Rabbit front and center for all America to see what Democrats looke like. Let hims speak his mind too.
Commentby Truth2006— 11/9/06@ 3:11
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Exactly, Americans need to be reminded how anti-American and kooky the libs are. Too bad the Frenchfuck libs don’t have the guts to practice what they preach and impeach Bush; but moonbats on parade in countless investigations will be almost as good.
’07 will be a great year for conservatives.
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ProudAss the lying Nazi says:
Unlike Democrats who will stick by scum such as William Jefferson … Commentby Truth2006— 11/9/06@ 3:25 pm
Now let’s fact-check:
“On May 24, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi publicly requested his immediate resignation from the House Ways and Means Committee; he declined to do so.[22] Although Mel Watt, the chair of the Congressional Black Caucus declared the strong support of the caucus for Jefferson it has since been reported that two prominent members of the caucus, John Lewis (D-Ga.) and Charles B. Rangel (D-NY) have played a major role in the campaign to force Jefferson to step down.[23]
“On 15 June 2006, House Democrats voted to strip Jefferson of his committee assignment while the federal bribery investigation continues. Members approved the move after Jefferson repeatedly refused to step aside. Despite claims of the Congressional Black Caucus that Jefferson was being treated unfairly, the vote passed 99-58. Some have reported that the vote was passed as a result of Democrats who are determined to make an election-year point about ethics. The full House, which is the only group with the power to actually remove Jefferson, then stripped him of his seat on the committee on June 16th in a voice vote without debate. Jefferson had offered to step aside temporarily if the Democratic caucus established a rule concerning cases like his and if his seat went to Rep. Charlie Melancon (D-LA). This offer was rejected by House Democratic leader Rep. Nancy Pelosi.[24]”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_J._Jefferson
“Gerry Eastman Studds (May 12, 1937 – October 14, 2006) (pronounced /ˈgɛɹi/, hard g as in get, rhymes with merry) was a Democratic Congressman from Massachusetts who served from 1973 until 1997. He was the first openly gay national politician in the U.S. In 1983, he admitted to having had an affair with a 17-year-old page in 1973 and was censured by the House of Representatives.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerry_Studds
Yep — ProudAss lied!
If there’s some terr’ist attack the day the new Congress goes into session, I’ll accept that as proof of the suspicion many of us have had that Osama and the Bushistas are in cahoots.
Daddy Love @ various
It shouldn’t be too difficult to get some statistics on provisional ballot vote suppression with VoteByMail.
Snohomish County is VoteByMail. They only have one place for provisional ballot voting, and that is at the Auditor’s Office in the County Courthouse in Everett.
I believe that VoteByMail became a mandatory option for counties starting in the 2006 election? (Correct me if I am wrong, but don’t accuse me of “fraud” if it started in 2005, instead of 2006.)
We can simply take the statistics from the provisional ballot reports from Snohomish County and other VoteByMail counties in the 2006 primary and general elections (the latter report to be available in a few weeks). These will show the number of provisional ballots cast and the number that were validated and tabulated.
Then get the same statistics from the last comparable election, which would be the 2002 mid-term elections. Also consider the turnout in each election — maybe more people voted in 2006 than 2002, due to the Senate race this year (none in 2002) and the level of anger and desire for change this year.
If fewer people cast provisional ballots in Snohomish Counties and other VoteByMail counties in 2006, than in 2002, then it would be a fair conclusion that VoteByMail, coupled with a drastic reduction to only one place to cast a provisional ballot, has resulted in suppression of the provisional vote. We can even determine to what percentage the provisional ballot vote has been suppressed.
We can also check other counties, and see how many places they had to cast provisional ballots. Maybe most of the VoteByMail counties only had this at the county auditor’s office in the county seat, but it is possible some counties had more places. We can see if having more places to cast provisional ballots results in less suppression of that vote, than limiting this to the County Auditor’s office.
Keep in mind that provisional voting will be much higher in 2008, than in 2006 — assuming the present status quo is maintained and polling places are still available for this purpose.
When King County certifies the election, the canvass report can be downloaded, and we can see how many provisional ballots were cast in the 8th CD, and how they broke down between Reichert and Burner. And compared the vote breakdown with that overall.
You can then take the number of provisional ballots cast in the 8th CD in November 2004 (which can also be downloaded). Then look at the rate that VoteByMail has suppressed provisional ballot voting in Snohomish County. Apply that to the November 2004 King County provisional vote — which can be used as a proxy for the November 2008 King County unsuppressed provisional vote.
I would imagine the number of potentially suppressed provisional ballot votes in the 8th CD for 2008 will be considerably larger than whatever the final outcome turns out to be in the Burner/Reichert race.
ghost @ 91
Does it cross your mind that referring to the great majority of the nation’s voters as “moonbats” makes you look kind of odd? Karl Rove was able to extend Republican rule for a few years through tactics of fear, misrepresentation, and intimidation. But, that age has now passed. This nation is far more liberal than the Republican Party leadership recognizes, or at least acknowledges. The march of history has always been to the left, with the occasional bout of hiccups that stalls the march momentarily. You may now move out of the way as the march resumes.
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No the problem is that you think all Democrats must think like your cherry-pickled comment of the day. I’ve got news for you. Not all Democrats think like bj. Or like me. Or like RR. Or like Goldy.
Senator-elect Tester in Montana and Senate Majority Leader Reid are anti-choice. Claire McCaskill is pro-gun rights and pro-death penalty. They’re all good Democrats. Joe Lieberman left the party.
BTW, Senator Byrd recanted his 60-years-ago KKK membership long ago, and long before Trent Lott reminded us of how great he still thinks Strom Thrumond’s segregationist presidential palatform was.
Richar Pope
When are you going to realize that King County will NOT have “only one place for provisional ballot voting?” It invalidates your entire argument. And we’ve been over this many times now and you keep right on mouthing the same irrelevant and invalid points again and again.
I get it. Republicans don’t like all-mail voting. You don’t either. Maybe that’s coincidence, but I don’t think so. And frankly I don’t believe your deep, deep concern that Democrats just somehow don’t realize the really terrible hazards of this propsal.
KC Democrats on the County Council ALL voted for it. KC Republicans on the County COuncil ALL voted against it. They’re not stupid, but you seem to think we are.
americahater @ 101
You support the war in Iraq, but you haven’t signed up to go fight it. Yet, you accuse liberals of lacking “guts”? You are a cowardly little slug who would never crawl out of your own basement to fight for any principle. You epitomize the warmongering rightwing. That is why you fuckers just had your asses handed to you.
RP
“We can simply take the statistics from the provisional ballot reports from Snohomish County and other VoteByMail counties ”
NO, WE CAN’T. You’re comparing apples to oranges. KC will have regional voting centers compliant with federal law and drop boxes ditto.
re 45: It’s a question of degree. If you lost a child in WWII you would probably feel the cause was just — especially if you did not know about Prescott Bush’s unpunished war profiteering with the NAZIS. In Korea and Vietnam you might feel the cause was unjust, but we were more innocent and just didn’t know better.
But with Iraq we were clearly lied to and went to war over completely bogus reasons. To which a conservative might say: “Well, they are all volunteers. That’s what they signed on for.”
But this is a sophistry as well. Soldiers sign on to defend the constitution from enemies both foreign and domestic — not for a presdential crooks oil war.
I said “cherry-pickled.”
That’s funny.
Lately I’ve been saying “meth-snorting ass-banging” a lot. I got it from Dan Savage.
@84,
“Bin Laden wanted us to attack an Arab Muslim country to turn Mucslim sentiment agaisnt America and help recruit for his team. And according to the 2006 NIE, it worked.
Jefferson was stripped of his committee assignments, but as the investigation is ongoing and no indictments have been issued (and his constituents re-elected him), it would be premature to take further action againt him.
Get over Gerry Studds. It was 20 years ago, a Republican was censured at the same time as Studd, but for porking a girl page, and the Democratic House enacted rules and set up the Page Board after that to protect pages, which your boys all ignored. But I don’t hear you calling for the heads of Hastert, Reynolds, Alexander, and Shimkus. Neither did high-minded Republican voters vote them out. “
BS. The NIE, which liberals leaked to the press for political gain, showed just the very opposite of what liberals claim. That old lie is about as true as the White House “outing” Valarie Plame. That was a lie as well. It was Richard Armitage who “outed” her.
Clinton was too cowardly to invade Afghanistan, which apparently any Democrat you ask these days claim was a good idea. So now you are trying to tell me Clinton was outfoxing that clever Bin Laden by no destroying his Taliban backed training camps in Asghanistan? But wait, if that is true then it directly contradicts the point you made earlier that attacking Bin Laden played right into his hands.
Which is it liberal? You keep contradicting yourself.
“It’s a question of degree. If you lost a child in WWII you would probably feel the cause was just – especially if you did not know about Prescott Bush’s unpunished war profiteering with the NAZIS. In Korea and Vietnam you might feel the cause was unjust, but we were more innocent and just didn’t know better.”
You might think Kennedy’s were somethign great if you hadn’t known about Ambassador Joseph Kennedy’s fondness for the Nazi’s.
Daddy Love @ 109
Drop boxes are irrelevant to provisional ballot suppression. Snohomish County had only one place to cast a provisional ballot, but 21 places to drop off a completed mail ballot without paying postage:
http://www.co.snohomish.wa.us/.....nters.html
On the other hand, Snohomish County statistics can be relevant, even if King County decides to have multiple locations to cast a provisional ballot.
Provisional ballot statistics should be broken down by precinct. The distance of each precinct from the Snohomish County courthouse can be computed, and even the MapQuest travel times. We can then see what the provisional ballot suppression rate in Snohomish County is in relation to distance and travel time from the Snohomish County Courthouse.
Perhaps shorter distances have less suppression than longer distances. If that is the case, then locations should be established in King County (and ALSO in Snohomish County), based upon a distance which suppresses provisional voting the least, or at least the least that is reasonably possible.
A similar comparison can be done in other VoteByMail counties, including any which have multiple locations for provisional ballot voting.
” … the GOP has screwed some things up badly and the people wanted a change.” Commentby christmasghost— 11/9/06@ 4:10 pm
No shit Sherlock!
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If there’s some terr’ist attack the day the new Congress goes into session, I’ll accept that as proof of the suspicion many of us have had that Osama and the Bushistas are in cahoots. Commentby ArtFart— 11/9/06@ 4:18 pm
That’s exactly what the wingnuts over at Sound Politics want, if this post is at all representative of their mindset:
“Congratulations Speaker Pelosi, now let the bombs fall where they may. My prediction: terror attack on domestic soil passenger aircraft within the next six months. Casualties in the 2-300 range. And, unfortunately, maybe that’s just what we need. It’s obvious people don’t remember what happened 5 years ago.
Posted by FullContactPolitics at November 8, 2006 10:52 AM”
http://blog.usefulwork.com/cgi.....ry_id=7430
What can you say about people who want their Americans to die in a terrorist attack — just because their party lost an election?
@102,
“Yep – ProudAss lied!”
Fact check:
Liberals loved Gerry Studds so much they named a marine sacutary after him:
http://stellwagen.noaa.gov/
Yup, that is sure repudiation alright.
their fellow Americans
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I’m pro-life, pro-gun, pro-military, and pro-death penalty. I’m also pro-America, which is why I can’t be a Republican ever again.
“What can you say about people who want their Americans to die in a terrorist attack – just because their party lost an election?”
I don’t want them to die. In fact that is what makes it so tragic. They just put into power the allies of Bin Laden who will leak our intelligence to the terrorists. They put into power people who think 911 was America’s fault and have done everything in their power to undermine out ability to stop the terrorist. I fear that they are now going to succeed. Liberals may take joy in that, I do not. You people are the ones running down to the Ale House celebrating the event, not me. When the allies of the terrorists gain power, as happening on Tuesday, I am saddened.
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You support the war in Iraq, but you haven’t signed up to go fight it. Commentby proud leftist— 11/9/06@ 4:30 pm
Hell, he didn’t even donate $99 to http://www.operation-helmet.org/ to support the people who DID sign up to fight it! A measly sacrifice compared to theirs, but one too great for FascistFuck.
Still most of the righties haven’t showed up here. As I predicted, the fucking cowards have cut and run and are crying in their milk. Punks. Commentby RightEqualsStupid— 11/9/06@ 1:27 pm
Hell no I’m still here.
Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo moooooooooooooooooooooonbats, where is the hue and cry over Diebold voting machines? Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeiiiiit, I think I’ll start an investigation on how many donko votes were “manufactured” for their wins.
Just kidding. Furballspeak!
Ok so wich of you nitwits is going to answer my question. Let me restate it for you.
Liberals put forth that by attacking any Arab country, that was just what Bin Laden wanted and creates more terrorists.
We attacked Afghanistan, a muslim country. Liberals all claim that was the proper course of action. So liberals are saying they were for playing into Bin Laden’s hands and creating more terrorists?
Maybe Furball some of us have contributed to the effort but we don’t need to insanely trumpet our contributions? I for one will never tell you what I do with my money. You are a moonbat!
I ma waiting for an answer. If attacking an Arab country creates more terrorist then why do liberals always say they agreed with invading Afghanistan, an Arab country????
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They just put into power the allies of Bin Laden who will leak our intelligence to the terrorists. They put into power people who think 911 was America’s fault and have done everything in their power to undermine out ability to stop the terrorist.
Commentby Truth2006— 11/9/06@ 4:53 pm
You actually believe this wingnut pig shit, don’t you? Tell you what. Let’s settle this patriotism thing. Show up at my burrow at 9 PM tonight. Go to the big tree on the east side of the lake, take half a dozen paces to the left, and look for a hole. Bring a gun, motherfucker.
GBS @ 41 Obviously, you didn’t read my post at all. – Richard Pope
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Ok so wich of you nitwits is going to answer my question. Let me restate it for you. Commentby Truth2006— 11/9/06@ 4:56 pm
No, I’m not going to play your games ProudAss. I’m done with you. Go fuck yourself, Nazi motherfucker.
GBS @ 41 Obviously, you didn’t read my post at all. – Richard Pope
Gbs and reading are diametrically opposed forces
“You support the war in Iraq, but you haven’t signed up to go fight it. Commentby proud leftist— 11/9/06@ 4:30 pm
Hell, he didn’t even donate $99 to http://www.operation-helmet.org/ to support the people who DID sign up to fight it! A measly sacrifice compared to theirs, but one too great for FascistFuck. “
You support the war in Afghanistan but haven’t signed up to fight it. Hell you didn’t even donate to http://www.operation-support-our-troops.org/ instead you crazy moonbats block the vital equipment our troops need:
http://community.theolympian.c.....e=album432
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Maybe Furball some of us have contributed to the effort but we don’t need to insanely trumpet our contributions? I for one will never tell you what I do with my money. Commentby Mike Webb Sucks— 11/9/06@ 4:58 pm
Did you or did you not donate $99 to Operation Helmet? I did. Did you? Yes or no. It’s a simple question. If you refuse to answer, that speaks for itself.
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done with you
“No, I’m not going to play your games ProudAss. I’m done with you. Go fuck yourself, Nazi motherfucker.”
Translation, your lies don’t square with the facts and now you are going to cut and run just like you want to do in Iraq. Typical liberal COWARD. Pussy!
Hey wingnuts! You not only lost the election, you got your clocks cleaned and your stinky asses wiped. Suck on it!
looking at the comments from ChristmasGhost & truth2006 we can see what partially went wrong with the conservative movement.
They are clearly listening to and believing everything they hear in their own echo chamber. You bring up William Jefferson as if it went unchecked by Nancy Pelosi.
You think President Clinton only used “law enforcement” options in hunting bin Laden then quip about lobbing missiles into a baby milk factory. Hellllooooo!
All the while you fail to point out the fact that while President Clinton was ratcheting up his military response to AQ the Republicans in congress were only fixated on the Lewinsky scandal.
Clearly, the Republicans had no interest in our national security only the impeachment of President Clinton.
Say what you want, believe what you want, but it won’t make it the truth. The Dem’s have been telling the truth for years, and quite frankly, most of the peole on the right don’t believe it yet, but they know something is really wrong in Washington DC.
My main point is that Speaker Pelosi will, as she stated, “drain the swamp.” Even then, you wingnuts won’t believe the truth. But that’s OK, you’ll be in the extreme minority that will always exist in a State of Denial.
Good luck with that mental problem.
Commentby Tree Frog Farmer— 11/9/06@ 2:09 pm Absolutely uncalled for. This sounds like something one of our far-far-right trolls would say. Commentby John Barelli— 11/9/06@ 2:23 pm
John, this asshole is AKA Killatroll. What do you expect? His brain is in his ass and he blogs from his asshole. Only shit cums from dem (sic) fingers!
And… we on the right DO NOT BLOG THIS WAY!
Did you or did you not donate $99 to Operation Helmet? I did. Did you? Yes or no. It’s a simple question. If you refuse to answer, that speaks for itself.
You lame $99 you gave for cheap helmet pad liners doesn’t help the troops. You probably did it to get a tax break. I gave $500 to Operation Support Our Troops, what the hell have yoi given? You bragged on this very blog about how you were making a killing on oil related stocks. And all you gave was a measly $99 that you keep touting over and over and over ad naseum? You are pathetic.
“done with you”
translation: You were caught in a lie and are running away. COWARD!
Did anybody catch Goldy’s comment regarding Democrat votes “….on average, we have more trouble voting” ? What does that mean? Maybe the ballots need to be printed in one more language (Demospeak?)or process needs to be more culturally sensitive since some may not have “a future time orientation” and a deadline for voting is discriminating and racist. Commentby Rick— 11/9/06@ 1:55 pm
No Rick, all Goldy meant was Democrats have a harder time turning out their vote. Now go fuck yourself. Commentby Roger Rabbit— 11/9/06@ 2:46 pm
Rick I assume you are a moonbat like furball. You see the intonation and ferocity of the response. That’s moonbatspeak for you.
No Furball, moonbats need remedial help. Goldie got something which I can agree with. Moonbats can’t read. That’s why people are leaving Seattle. They have the headless lucy’s as teachers. They score lower in WA state tests. If you don’t learn cognitive thinking skills in moonbatland, how do you figure out an election ballot?
Well nitwits, can’t you answer for your own crazy theories? I am waiting? Want me to repeat the question?
Let me restate it for you.
Liberals put forth that by attacking any Arab country, that was just what Bin Laden wanted and creates more terrorists.
We attacked Afghanistan, a muslim country. Liberals all claim that was the proper course of action. So liberals are saying they were for playing into Bin Laden’s hands and creating more terrorists?
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No, I’m walking away from a piece of shit who has never told the truth about anything and won’t acknowledge the truth even after it’s shoved up his ass. My time is worth something. I won’t waste any more of it on a pigfucker like you.
Where did all the moonbats go? Can’t answer for their own propaganda?
“No, I’m walking away from a piece of shit who has never told the truth about anything and won’t acknowledge the truth even after it’s shoved up his ass. My time is worth something. I won’t waste any more of it on a pigfucker like you.”
Stefan was right. When liberals lose, they start using potty words.
Liberals: cutting and running, one moonbat at a time.
Daddy Love, Proud Leftist et al:
Well nitwits, can’t you answer for your own crazy theories? I am waiting? Want me to repeat the question?
Let me restate it for you.
Liberals put forth that by attacking any Arab country, that was just what Bin Laden wanted and creates more terrorists.
We attacked Afghanistan, a muslim country. Liberals all claim that was the proper course of action. So liberals are saying they were for playing into Bin Laden’s hands and creating more terrorists?
#74. That was a refreshing post. Direct and correct. This is what I said yesterday. Please. Please! Puleeeeeease start those hearings. Appease the nutroots gang. Why were conservative donk voted in and not many moonbat lefty libruls? Ask Rahm Emanuel!
Hey WOS – how’s that Gorelick wall bullshit going? Did that or any of the other crap you spew help you on election day?
LMAO!!!
Proud Leftist@83. When Republicans won as full blow conservatives we almost won all the seats. When they ran as RINO’s they lost. Good riddance Lincoln Chafee. He could not wear the boots, shoes, or socks of his father!
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Start? When did I “start”? I’ve been using potty words from day 1. You’re just noticing now?
81 Truth He claimed it and I have not yet independently verified it. Commentby Daddy Love— 11/9/06@ 3:52 pm
Daddy Love, no need to verify. 10 CIA men and LT Col Patterson said otherwise about Clinton! He dithered in 1996 and missed his chance! He to this day has not REFUTED Lt. Col. Patterson! Remember he carried the nuclear football and went on national TV and Clinton slinked away!
“Start? When did I “start”? I’ve been using potty words from day 1. You’re just noticing now?”
You use them more and threaten violence when you are losing an argument.
So please answer the question:
Liberals put forth that by attacking any Arab country, that was just what Bin Laden wanted and creates more terrorists.
We attacked Afghanistan, a muslim country. Liberals all claim that was the proper course of action. So liberals are saying they were for playing into Bin Laden’s hands and creating more terrorists?
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I agree, the GOP candidates aren’t hard-right enough yet; you need more like Rick Santorum, Tom DeLay, and Katherine Harris. Then we’ll have ALL the seats! :D
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Congressional Democrats:
“We were against Impeachment before we were for it.”
Liberals put forth that by attacking any Arab country, that was just what Bin Laden wanted and creates more terrorists.
We attacked Afghanistan, a muslim country
Typical wingnut. Afghanistan is *not* an *ARAB* country. Anything swarthy with strange names these wingnuts call “Arab”.
Last time I checked the rate of suicide bombings and Taliban raids was way up. The situation seems precarious there to say the least.
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Hey WOS – how’s that Gorelick wall bullshit going? Did that or any of the other crap you spew help you on election day?
LMAO!!!
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It is not bullshit. Had law enforcement been able to communicate with intelligence agencies prior to 911, it probably would have been stopped. They went to FISA to search Mousoui’s computer and were denied for that very reason.
When they ran as RINO’s they lost. Good riddance Lincoln Chafee.
Hey WOS – where’d you get that talking point? Hannity? Wingnut Daily? That’s as lame as Able Danger or that Gorelick wall baloney.
Oh by the way, how’s crazy Curt Weldon?
LMAO at that lame WOS!!!
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You … threaten violence … Commentby Truth2006— 11/9/06@ 5:30 pm
No I don’t. I merely offer to defend myself. Giving me reason to do so is a voluntary activity on the part of the offeree.
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It’s all to merely prove what everyone already knows: You swaggering loudmouths of the Blowhard Right talk big but don’t walk the talk.
Had law enforcement been able to communicate with intelligence agencies prior to 911, it probably would have been stopped.
How about telling that to the Indian Fighter Slade Gorton. I quote him: “There was no wall.”
I can offer a link if you want to be disabused of your wingnut fantasy.
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Don’t worry, I’ll never hurt a wingnut. There isn’t a wingnut alive who has the guts to show up at my burrow.
Furball: My 1040 SCH A form know what I gave and what I didn’t. Go fuck yourself with that teeny weeny furball dick!
Just watch…
…the chimp is gonna try to play a game of “Constitutional Chicken” and end up in Leavenworth (NOT washington State!) instead of Crawford.
Poppy’s got him on a SHORT LEASH…and 41 will bail his profligate son out ONE MORE TIME. Reluctantly.
But our little “Petulant Preznit” won’t behave. He’ll get his tits in the wringer and Daddy allow the wolvesto have their way with Junior (the Ungrateful).
C’est la Vie.
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We all know you didn’t donate to Operation Helmet, MWS. I’ll give you credit for not lying about it, though. Thanks for supporting the troops when they needed your help. (high-pitched bunny voice dripping with sarcasm)
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So whatever you did or didn’t do for the troops, it’s all about getting the tax deduction, huh? Figures.
Hey where’s WOS?
(crickets)
The psychotic troll-fucks are baying at the moon again. Truly in full voice. Even with the wall to wall coverage of Faux News, Un-Rev Moon, and The Gas Bag, they couldn’t lie their way into a victory.
Twist and shout though they may, they have been repudiated by a broad segment of the American people. Denial didn’t do it before the election, and denial won’t do it now. The vast majority of Americans are far more liberal than the trolls here can admit.
A large number of RINO’s did vote to turn out the neo-convicts. That doesn’t make them moonbats. A large number of DINO’s did too.
That’s the Middle. Get used to it. The Liberal wing has always been an outrider in American Politics, but a forward looking outrider. . .look to many of their ideas and see the future, and if it bothers you, weep.
HOW WINGNUTS SUPPORT THE TROOPS
Here’s how they do it.
Step 1) Purchase …
Sack of flour – $1.59
Sack of sugar – $1.29
Cooking oil – $0.79
Saran wrap – $2.19
Wrapping paper – $1.79
Packing tape – $1.49
String – $0.89
Step 2) Mix flour and sugar in mixing bowl until stiff. Drop little mounds of dough on baking sheet. Bake at 450 degrees until brown around the edges. Cool. Wrap cookies in Saran wrap and back in a box. Mail box to Cookies For Troops.
Step 3) Add up receipts in Step 1, estimate fair market value of labor expended in Step 2, and deduct $2,500 donation on Form 1040, Sch. A under line for “charitable donations.”
Does anybody besides the native commenters on this board GET the overriding and over-arching “lesson” of this election(?):
This bullshit version of “Conservative Governing Philosophy” DOESN’T (and DIDN’T) FUCKING WORK and 60-70% of the COUNTRY figured that out all at t he same time. That’s why the Republican “Leadership” is gone. They were incompetent, they were liars, and they were thieves…and though it took some time, the Citizens of the United States of America found out and the Republicans got FIRED.
How can you govern when you HATE government.
How can you lead when you’re “Leadership Principles” are: “Do as I say, not…well, just do as I say.”
These Banana Republicans ran this place like their own little playground and cookie jar. It WAS NOT BROKE like this when they got it. They fucked the country up, stole a bunch of shit and blamed it all on everybody else. And that’s just THIS Country.
Well, Mom and Dad are back. This shit’s gonna stop.
Right here…right now.
ProudAss is a little cranky right now because he has a rabbit dick up his ass and the fur tickles.
“We attacked Afghanistan, a muslim country
Typical wingnut. Afghanistan is *not* an *ARAB* country. Anything swarthy with strange names these wingnuts call “Arab”.
Last time I checked the rate of suicide bombings and Taliban raids was way up. The situation seems precarious there to say the least. “
I said Afghanistan was a MUSLIM country. Reading is fundamental. Thanks for avoiding the question. Now please answer it this time.
Here is how liberals support the troops:
http://community.theolympian.c.....e=album432
Not only do they call the troops stupid, as did John Kerry, they block the vital equipment they need. I bet they beat their wives and kick the dog when they go home at night just to show how much “they suppor them”.
“The vast majority of Americans are far more liberal than the trolls here can admit.”
That’s rich. Ask Jimmy Carter about that. Seriously though, you have been given the rope. All we need to do is stand back and watch you hang yourselves with it.
Liberals put forth that by attacking any Arab country, that was just what Bin Laden wanted and creates more terrorists.
Your words not mine. My emphasis.
Hey ASS – how’d you like the vote in South Dakota?
Pretty “conservative” vote huh?
LMAO!!!
The Chimpster might have looked like some of you might have liked to have beer with, but after six years and only using a veto to forestall stem-cell research, and backing DeLay and Frist’s crazy antics over the Schiavo case, everyone started to get the picture of just how insulated and removed from real America these fools were. Dennis Hastert and the Foley affair, along with the Haggard flap just cemented it. The trolls here don’t get it. No amount of lying, twisting, bloviating, spinning will make them credible to the Middle again.
I’m counting on Pelosi to court that middle. I can count on the right wingnuts to shriek no matter what she does, but wait and see. I also fully expect the more liberal members to be outraged at a slow but certain path. Make haste, slowly, I say. The American body politic is a patient in extremis on the table, and needs tender loving care to mend.
americahater @ 101
You support the war in Iraq, but you haven’t signed up to go fight it. Yet, you accuse liberals of lacking “guts”? You are a cowardly little slug who would never crawl out of your own basement to fight for any principle. You epitomize the warmongering rightwing. That is why you fuckers just had your asses handed to you.
Commentby proud leftist— 11/9/06@ 4:30 pm
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Typical dumbshit lib; you haven’t the slighest idea what you are talking about. There is about a 99.99999% chance that between us I’m the only one to have ever fought for our country, you stupid Frenchfuck.
While technically correct that Afghanistan is not an Arab country, it is most certainly a Muslim one. So let me rephrase so you can address mthe actual issue:
Liberals put forth that by attacking any Muslim country, that was just what Bin Laden wanted and creates more terrorists.
We attacked Afghanistan, a Muslim country. Liberals all claim that was the proper course of action. So liberals are saying they were for playing into Bin Laden’s hands and creating more terrorists?
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I’m counting on Pelosi to court that middle.” Are you a comedian? Don’t give up your day job. Oh that’s right, you’re a liberal, you don’t have a job.
After all that killing he made in the stock market, all Roger Rabbit could cough up for the troops was $99 bucks for a lousy helmet liner.
He didn’t give $500 to http://www.operation-support-our-troops.org/. He is a stnigy Rabbit indeed.
Lies2006 A wall of words, or more typically your Primal Scream of rage and inadequacy not withstanding, you are simply a lone crazy troll, an out of power lone crazy troll. Get used to it.
Still waiting for one of you nitwits to actually answer my question:
Liberals put forth that by attacking any Muslim country, that was just what Bin Laden wanted and creates more terrorists.
We attacked Afghanistan, a Muslim country. Liberals all claim that was the proper course of action. So liberals are saying they were for playing into Bin Laden’s hands and creating more terrorists?
ASS or Lies2006:
If you’re too hapless to fall into the “Arab” trap, why should anyone take you seriously?
You lost. All the wingnut talking points you’ve swallowed over the years didn’t help you. Some therapy to reintroduce you to rational thought might do you some good.
Get some.
Still waiting for one of you nitwits to actually answer my question:
Liberals put forth that by attacking any Muslim country, that was just what Bin Laden wanted and creates more terrorists.
We attacked Afghanistan, a Muslim country. Liberals all claim that was the proper course of action. So liberals are saying they were for playing into Bin Laden’s hands and creating more terrorists?
Commentby Truth2006— 11/9/06@ 6:20 pm
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Libs went after Iraq because the casualties were higher, thus they figure that they can sell opposition to Iraq easier. If the casualty figures were reversed libs would claim that the Iraq invasion was a good idea but that the Afghanistan invasion was causing more terrorists. If we pull out of Iraq the libs will then demand that we pull out the troops from Afghanistan.
Clueless, Rabbit et al, I am still waiting for an answer.
Liberals put forth that by attacking any Muslim country, that was just what Bin Laden wanted and creates more terrorists.
We attacked Afghanistan, a Muslim country. Liberals all claim that was the proper course of action. So liberals are saying they were for playing into Bin Laden’s hands and creating more terrorists?
Liberals put forth that by attacking any Muslim country, that was just what Bin Laden wanted and creates more terrorists.
We attacked Afghanistan, a Muslim country. Liberals all claim that was the proper course of action. So liberals are saying they were for playing into Bin Laden’s hands and creating more terrorists?
Commentby Pravda2006— 11/9/06@ 6:20 pm
Ok, I’ll take the bait.
First, when did “liberals” make the claim “attacking any Muslim country, that was just what Bin Laden wanted and creates more terrorists“? Somehow they left me off the distribution for that memo, and I missed getting that word.
Liberals, yours truly included, did make the claim that attacking Iraq under the circumstances that we did would create more terrorists. According to several intelligence agencies, including our own CIA, that appears to be the case.
I’m sure some liberal somewhere probably made the claim you stated, just as I can find some conservative somewhere that made the claim that we should simply nuke the entire Muslim world, killing every man, woman and child living there regardless of whether they’ve done us any harm, or even regardless of whether they were actually Muslim.
Since your basic statement (that liberals had claimed that attacking any predominantly Muslim country would increase terrorism) is false, the rest of your question is meaningless.
But, even if your basic statement were true, it would simply mean that we would have to decide if the goal was worth the increased risk.
Was reducing or eliminating the ability of the terrorists to train in relative safety worth the risk of encouraging a few people to join them? I tend to think so.
Was capturing the leader of a country that we had effectively neutralized and surrounded worth the thousands of US lives, hundreds of thousands of Iraqi lives, billions of dollars, and the vastly increased incentive to join the terrorists? No, I don’t think so.
Does that clear it up for you, or should I use smaller words?
Had law enforcement been able to communicate with intelligence agencies prior to 911, it probably would have been stopped. How about telling that to the Indian Fighter Slade Gorton. I quote him: “There was no wall.” I can offer a link if you want to be disabused of your wingnut fantasy. Commentby For the Clueless— 11/9/06@ 5:35 pm
Yeah, you choose to use Slade’s words when they suit your puny argument. You never voted for Slade Clueless so fuck you!
When they ran as RINO’s they lost. Good riddance Lincoln Chafee.
Hey WOS – where’d you get that talking point? Hannity? Wingnut Daily? That’s as lame as Able Danger or that Gorelick wall baloney. Oh by the way, how’s crazy Curt Weldon? LMAO at that lame WOS!!! Commentby For the Clueless— 11/9/06@ 5:33 pm
Ever been to RH clueless? He wasn’t too popular outside of Providence STUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUPIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIID moonbat!
We all know you didn’t donate to Operation Helmet, MWS. I’ll give you credit for not lying about it, though. Thanks for supporting the troops when they needed your help. (high-pitched bunny voice dripping with sarcasm) Commentby Roger Rabbit— 11/9/06@ 5:41 pm
You don’t know the half of what I have supported moonbat! I don’t fall into your Helmet Trap. It’s a big trap and no one on our side fell for it.
WOS – I use Slade Gorton’s words because they support my contention that the Gorelick wall was bullshit. How many times did you bring it up WOS? A dozen? two dozen? three?
You’re full of shit WOS like the talking points you suck in from all the usual wingnut sources. What good did it do you to believe that crap?
The people have rejected the corrupt rubberstamp R’s that you cheerleaded and voted for.
You were wrong. You lost!
WOS – As for Lincoln Chafee, he’s a decent example of what the R’s could be. Hell, I could live with someone a little bit to his right as long he reached across the aisle one in a while and didn’t have his head up his ass.
Guess what Chafee’s going do before leaves? VOTE AGAINST BOLTON. Maybe that’s what got your knickers in a twist?
GOOD ON HIM!
GBS…i thought you were going to “take me down”
what happened….. cat got your tongue?
and foolish lefty @105….”Does it cross your mind that referring to the great majority of the nation’s voters as “moonbats”
GREAT MAJORITY???? where where? are you for real? the country is split half and half…don’t you get it?
and daddy dearest @106 alas, for you, i do not think all democrats “think” [odd term considering the company here] like roger ad nauseum. that’s why i am not upset at the elections and neither is anyone else. and it’s really bugging you guys….who knew?
it’s funny as hell…..
clueless…lincoln chaffee??? you admire a fence sitting back stabber? well…that’s really good for you. you will enjoy nancy pelosi alot. heh heh heh………
have you ever considered the notion that what you say about the conservatives here [and who you “admire”] really says alot more about your lack of credibilty and intelligence…in other words it says alot more about you than us?
Hey ghost. I read somewhere that you think the IRS is “terrorist”. We’ll I’d be scared too if I was cheating on my taxes – it’s against the law.
Be afraid ghost. LMAO!
ghost – Apparently the people of RI didn’t care too much for Chaffee so they replaced him however he’s voting against BOLTON. I bet you love that. If he changes his mind out of some kind of spite then I’m with you on the guy.
Commentby christmasghost— 11/9/06@ 9:29 pm
Actually, the folks of Rhode Island rather liked Mr. Chafee. He lost primarily because he was loyal to the Republican party, caucusing with them and voting with them with regards to the leadership positions in the Senate.
Many Democrats, yours truly included, were rather sorry that we had to run a strong campaign against him for that reason. It the stakes weren’t so high, and the need to get corrupt Republicans out of power so great, we probably could have worked with him.
Honorable man that he is, he would have stuck with the party that elected him, and the margin was just too narrow.
But, I’m rather pleased that the Republicans chose not to give him much support. Go ahead, Keep calling him “RINO” and show him that he is not welcome in the Republican party.
In fact, you should let all those folks that are unwilling to ignore corruption and dishonesty know that they aren’t welcome in the Republican party. While you’re at it, let any person that is not 100% behind every action of the President, Pat Robertson, and Karl Rove know that your party no longer wants them.
It’s already working with Mr. Chafee. He seems to be getting the message that folks like him are not welcome in your party.
From the Boston Globe: “Chafee unsure of staying with GOP after losing election”
http://tinyurl.com/yedrh8
Political parties – 2014 (of those voicing a preference)
Greens – 5%
Libertarians – 20%
Socialists – 5% (sorry, Socialist, but I really don’t see you getting much bigger than that.)
Democrats – divided equally between Conservative and Liberal wings – 65%
Republicans – 3%
Other – 2%
Ah, but that 3% will be loyal Republicans. No RINOs there. Heck, you might even keep control of the Idaho state legislature. Enjoy.
192 CG
“GREAT MAJORITY???? where where? are you for real? the country is split half and half…don’t you get it?”
Not on Iraq. Not on the president’s performace. Not on Republican corruption.
192 CG
“GREAT MAJORITY???? where where? are you for real? the country is split half and half…don’t you get it?”
Well then, you just sit there laughing, and we’ll get busy running the country properly for once and getting ready to expand the majority in 2008.
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Wow, your comprehension is really lacking. I told you about this and gave you a link. You could have followed the link and read ti to uderstand what was goign on; instead, you attribute the conclusion to “liberals” and then try to set up your very clever trap. Hope I don’t fall into it?
Anyway, the 9/11 commission stated only that “ ‘a source reported that an individual whom he identified as the big instructor‘ (probably a reference to Bin Ladin) complained frequently that the United States had not yet attacked. According to the source, Bin Ladin wanted the United States to attack, and if it did not he would launch something bigger.”
So it was the 9/11 commission and not “liberals” who “put that forth.”
Then, you set the trap:
Counldn’t be further from the truth. Many people opposed the invasion of Afghanistan. For example, I did not oppose the invading Afghanistan as a means to get to the perps of 9/11, but I opposed the Bush administration stonewalling the legitimate Afghani government’s reasonable requests for US to share the information that led them to believe bin Laden was at fault before they’d turn him over to us, and I oppposed the US subesequently invading as lacking legitimacy because of it.
However, that said, the US m,ilitary action WAS popular and supported by lots and lots fo people of all political stripes because of the 9/11 attacks. weird, huh?
The 9/11 commission report came out in 2004. It’s the president’s actions and Republican suppport for same since we found out (a) that it’s part of bin Laden’s plan and (b) that we’re creating more and not fewer jihadists in Iraq that we have turned against, as sensible, non-ideologically blindered people SHOULD do.
Not that bin Laden favoring or not favoring a course should be the basis of our foreign policy. But when our intelligence services all concur that he’s right, we should fucking think about it for a fucking minute.
And that, children, is how the Republcans lost the COngress.
As much as I want Darcy to win, it’s looking bleak. If Reichert is leading in Pierce county by 13% and his percentage lead is anywhere close to that among the remaining 60K+ Pierce county votes, then his lead over Darcy will grow by several thousand votes (8K+) in Pierce county alone. Darcy’s smaller lead in King County, if it persists among the remaining uncounted votes in that county, will only shift 1 to 2 thousand votes her way. Barring any extremely different pattern of voting by absentee, I think Reichert will probably win.