The slow decline of Boeing in Western Washington has been gutting. Sometimes it’s surprising that there’s any meat left on the bone. And yet. Boeing is outsourcing corporate finance jobs to India. About 150 starting in October. This is nationwide, but surely it will take jobs from the Seattle area. You feel worse for the people doing factory work than these people. But still, it stinks.
Anyway, please wash your hands right now. And get vaccinated or boosted if you’re eligible.
Thomas Lane spews:
I heard about the Thin Blue Line from the moment I hit the Academy. Back up your brothers. Never speak out. NOTHING we do should ever be criticized. We are what’s holding back the anarchy and if one of us falls we all fall. It’s the culture, you just wouldn’t understand. It’s not a few bad apples it’s the roots.
Well, now I’m going to do 3 more years in a federal prison for not having the human decency to stop holding a man down while my brother in uniform murdered him.
Ron "Thinks He's Santo Trafficane" DeSantis spews:
I mean just because I used the PR staff in Tallahassee to create a glossy brochure and printed it and sent agents to Texas to round up migrants doesn’t mean I was misspending state funds. It just ain’t a fact. I can spend whatever and whenever I want. I am not a crook. Stop asking questions. FAKE NEWS! I LITERALLY did not have staff under me unknowingly aid and abet a potential felony. I would never ever do that. And they know if they just do the time and keep quiet I’ve got their families taken care of.
Vladimir "I have best Army" Putin spews:
Don’t make me rebuild that wall!
Donald "How Many counts of Fraud?" Trump spews:
Kash Patel, great guy I hired him. Nope, I don’t know when. Really, it was just a couple days after he did a media blitz saying I told him the documents were declassified? Well that’s true he is the one I told and that’s absolutely the way it works. As the rightful president all I have to do is THINK the word inclassified and boom. Camera person woman declassified.
The payout is a coincidence. I had interviewed him for the job years ago.
Mason County Voter Research Project spews:
We went to 544 addresses here in mason county and found 239 fraudulent addresses in voting. Why this one right here is a vacant lot (“Uh, guys, that’s the wrong address. The house across the street is listed on the register and it’s right there. All four voters live there.”) OK 235! haurmph! This DEAD GUY voted in 2020 even though he died in 2019. (“He was very much alive on election day though he is dead now”) 234! This one is a fake person who doesn’t exist named Mary (“Well we spoke to Mary and it’s news to her she doesn’t exist”) 233! All these military guys! They enlisted. They shipped out. They don’t live here! (“Here’s a copy of The Uniformed and Overseas Absentee Voting Act, you might want to check it out”)
Mike "Make love to MyPillow" Lindell spews:
Give me my FUCKING phone back. Warrant schmarrant! I’ll sue you!
Gggeeee Money spews:
I liked @ 6 the best.
Don’t smother your wife with a pillow Mike. Use a gun, like all the others.
The Church Lady spews:
Well, isn’t that just special!
RedReformed spews:
I am really enjoying all these new and diverse new posters. Such new perspectives on things.
Elijah Dominic McDotcom spews:
Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the most recent Republican presidential contest loser’s preferred choice for Director of National Intelligence:
https://mobile.twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1572381531129217024
Lt. Gen. Flynn belieeeeeeves that COVID vaccines contain sub microscopic robot components designed to alter our basic biology and convert us all into Star Trek TNG cyborgs.
I would remind you all now that it was Flynn’s consistent and deliberate lying about his work as an agent for the Turkish dictator and attempting to arrange the kidnapping and rendition of a Turkish dissident political opponent while serving as Trump’s DNI. And it was the decision to fire Flynn for that persistent lying that eventually resulted in the appointment of Mueller.
The point of this is not to recapitulate the long history of self-harm that Republicans have inflicted upon themselves over and over and over again. But rather to once again draw your attention to what it is they are actually defending when they engage in obstruction, theft of documents, etc. At the base of it, it is insanity. The purpose of nearly all the criminality has been to protect, defend, and promote this kind of profound paranoia. It’s a kind of paranoia that goes well beyond routine conspiracy theories. These are not coffee boys either. This guy was Trump’s choice for DNI, the most powerful, most influential, and most dangerous national security position on earth.
And Trump and the GOP chose, and then later broke laws to defend, a guy who believes that there is a global conspiracy to turn you into a robot to serve “The Jews”.
This is not some weird, random side story about a few “kooks” inhabiting strange darkened corners of conservatism. This is the main story about who the modern Republican Party really are.
Kari Lake spews:
“The Pledge of Allegiance, our National Anthem, our Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, I was shocked to learn that my opponent, Katie Hobbs, fought to keep these American cornerstones out of the classroom.”
(Aide rushes the stage)
Ma’am, the bill you’re talking about mandated the state motto also be allowed to be posted with those things.
“You heard that right. As a legislator, Hobbs actually voted to block the Pledge of Allegiance, our National Anthem, our Constitution, the Declaration of Independence and even the Mayflower Compact from being taught to the next generation of Americans right here in Arizona.”
Aide: Ma’am that is so LITERALLY not true the Hobbs campaign is going to crucify you on this. Just stop. It’s embarrassing. The state motto even has the word GOD and she voted that was OK.
“We’ve pushed God out!”
Roger Rabbit spews:
Ya know, it’s hard to tell the GOP and Iran’s regime apart. They both use women’s bodies as political symbols. And they both treat women like shit.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/wave-protests-iran-reflects-seething-anger-regime-treats-women-rcna48643
Roger Rabbit spews:
@5 Here’s a detail you missed: The guy behind that “research project” is the GOP candidate for Mason County Auditor. He was only a point or two behind the incumbent in the primary. So he may soon be running elections and maintaining voter registration lists in Mason County.
Ron DeSantis spews:
Oh?
Turns out the Oregon aviation company I hired to fly the illegals from Texas to Martha’s Vinyard is owned by an Oregon donor to Rep Trumbull (FL-05) and it’s totally a co-ink-y-dink that his dad Trumbull Sr. is the person I hired to disburse the funds to relocate all these illegals that were thinking about coming to Florida in the future.
I had no idea that I was hiring my cronies and I am a champion of anti-corruption.
(hot mic accident)This is starting to look bad, no?
YLB spews:
I once saw David Horowitz on CSPAN babbling about leftists traitors this and that, and Demonrats this and that and they all hate Israel blah, blah… and then he was asked:
Why do most Jews support the Dem Party?
He babbled, “I don’t know..”
This is why dumbshit:
https://news.yahoo.com/most-republicans-support-declaring-united-083000465.html
Horowitz mentored Stephen Miller and both believe whiteness, a white majority is at the heart of America.. I don’t think they have any problem with living under christian nationalism either.
What a couple of a-holes..
Roger Rabbit spews:
@10 I read somewhere yesterday that he’s been brokering the sale of Russian nuclear reactors to Saudi Arabia. For pay, of course. He’s the A. Q. Khan of the West.
Ronald “St. Ron of D’Mentia” Reagan spews:
@14
Probably should have gone with “Of course I should have been aware what my staff was doing but I wasn’t” from the get go.
YLB spews:
@10 I don’t recall Flynn ever being considered for DNI.. NSA (national security adviser) yes.
Drumpf’s first DNI went to a “RINO”, Dan Coats..
Roger Rabbit spews:
On Wall Street today, the three-quarter point rate hike was a nothingburger. Then Powell opened his mouth and the Dow fell 500 points. (He said more rate hikes will be needed to cool inflation; did traders not see this coming?)
Brian "Anti-Aircraft" Williams spews:
“I’m J.R. Mikowski and I support this message:
After September 11th I deployed to Afghanistan and it was hell. My combat experience was nothing like January 6th that the Lame Stream media says was an insurrection. We were there to drink beers and toast our lord the Trump and that’s it.
If called I would have gone right back to Afghanistan and busted some towel wearing heads but Joe Biden wouldn’t let me and all these people died.
Vote for me in the overwhelmingly Democratic 5th District and I’ll bring honesty and toughness to Congress.”
Afghanistan you say. Why did a FOIA with the Department of Defense confirm you were on a base in Qatar the entire time, over 1000 miles from any combat?
Elijah Dominic McDotcom spews:
13,
This is because, as with Kari Lake, lying works for them.
Trump has raised a $200 million war chest entirely on lying about the election he lost. Lying raises money. Lying turns out voters.
“Nice” Democrats like Warnock, Kelly and Hobbs need to be woken up to that fact. They aren’t going to “crucify” anybody by pointing out their lies, politely or otherwise. When has that worked even once?
Elijah Dominic McDotcom spews:
6,
Are you planning to serve process via email?
Elijah Dominic McDotcom spews:
The terrible hardships faced by J.R. Majewski:
https://youtu.be/PjbXOSnyMeA
Using their lies to belittle them and drive up their negatives, like “Stolen valor”, is how you push back against Republican lying.
Elijah Dominic McDotcom spews:
18,
Good call. My bad. And my apologies.
Still, point remains. As NSA he served as Trump’s daily immediate contact for all nat sec, intel, and PDB. When shit blows up, Flynn would be the guy there inside the situation room we’d have relied upon to keep Trump away from the launch codes or preventing the fuckstick from ordering an air strike on Mexico City.
And Flynn is a guy who very sincerely believes that George Soros and Bill Gates are scheming to take over his body and turn him into a robot.
YLB laughing at lord kreepshit, the "seriously" silly, irrelevant, kreepee kreepah of widbee spews:
Higher interest rates will do NOTHING to make more water in China:
The U.S. imports massive quantities of manufactured goods from China, including 70 percent of Walmart’s store merchandise, and 40 percent of the clothing sold domestically. China is also a huge producer of key industrial products that end up on American shores, like steel, aluminum and polysilicon used to make solar panels.
Embedded in the manufacturing of these products is electricity generated through unsustainable water consumption in China. And as water supplies dwindle, the net effect is fewer products coming to the U.S. at significantly higher prices.
The long-term outlook for water availability in China is alarming..
https://thehill.com/opinion/energy-environment/584266-american-supply-chains-face-a-dire-threat-from-chinas-water/
Water stress in China may lead American wholesalers and retailers to do what they did in the 70’s – horde inventories which will only fuel more inflation.
What’s kreepshit gonna do now? Blame China’s water shortage on Joe?
YLB spews:
@24 Oh I agree.. Flynn is an unhinged nutjob.. a train wreck. I wonder if his babblings these days are mostly a grift.. He desperately needs the Q crowd’s 5 and 10 dollar donations..
After all Flynn is “The General” who rained death in Afghanistan. He’s gotta be credible to.. somebody…
But not anyone with any connection to reality.
Vicious Troll spews:
I feel badly for the Boeing manufacturing employees whose taxes will pay for Biden’s student loan giveaway to the Boeing financial employees.
I wonder if Carl ever looked at it that way.
Actually, I don’t. Carl didn’t think of them any more than he thought of YLB’s fucked kids.
YLB spews:
More on China’s water problems:
Coal, hydro, and nuclear power generation all require significant water resources in order to maintain output. Combined, these three sources comprise more than 80% of China’s power capacity.
Coal power in particular requires large amounts of water at every stage, including mining, washing, and cooling during the thermal power cycle. Coal resources are mismatched with water resources; as of 2015, 67% of China’s coal plants were in regions considered water-stressed or highly water-stressed…
When power capacity is constrained, Chinese officials are forced to make rationing decisions about which parts of its economy will be impacted; power rationing thus far seems to be focused on the industrial sector, which directly impacts the availability of products on shelves across the globe as manufacturing plants are idled.
https://readyforclimate.org/reports/water-crisis-in-china/
Great article…
YLB laughing at lord kreepshit, the "seriously" silly, irrelevant, kreepee kreepah of widbee spews:
@27 As one who voted for Carter AFTER the REAL “miracle on ice” you know intimately the meaning of “fucked”…
in the ass..
By your klownservabros in the frat house.. heh.. it was a “grueling” initiation…
And you were fucked again in the ass by a 20 something redneck as you were ogling its baby momma..
something had to put you off your “rule” and make you “unserious”.. lol…
thanks for sharing that.. HILARIOUS!
RedReformed spews:
I feel badly for the Boeing manufacturing employees whose taxes will pay for forced birth republican’s tax giveaway to the 1%.
Edward J. O'Hare spews:
Bill Barr is such a shitty attorney. Went on Fox today and asserted that it’s low low low to drag Donald’s Children, aged 39, 40 and 44 into the fraud charges because, “They have never been expected to do due diligence.” They all went to fancy college and some have MBAs and Bill thinks they don’t know that the signature line stating, ‘on penalty of perjury’ or ‘Under penalty of law I attest all stemware are true and correct” applies to the person signing NOT the preparer. You know, parties to the contract. The kind of stuff they cover in the first week of a business college. It’s even in the Trump University syllabus
Roger Rabbit spews:
@23 He lied about being a “business executive,” too.
So how did some truth-challenged blue-collar political neophyte win the GOP nom for Congress?
The truth-challenged part is easy; all Republicans are truth-challenged. And, as Elijah points out, that’s a plus for playing to the GOP electorate.
As for the other part, 2 better-known GOP primary candidates split the vote between them, allowing the walk-on to get the starting position.
Roger Rabbit spews:
@26 “Oh I agree.. Flynn is an unhinged nutjob.. a train wreck.”
I disagree. He’s a fucking traitor. And he’s far more mercenary than unhinged; he’s making enormous amounts of money from his treason, both from his foreign patrons (Russia, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, etc.) and his domestic ventures (speaking tours, merch, etc.).
Roger Rabbit spews:
@31 Trump University had a syllabus? I thought they only had promotional brochures.
Elijah Dominic McDotcom spews:
26,
It’s just a natural money maker for him. He’s insane and by most accounts has been so for many years.
Elijah Dominic McDotcom spews:
32,
Stolen Valor is more damaging than exaggerating about project budgets and responsibilities. Yes he’s a liar. But the point here is that when it comes to Republican voters, lying is a feature, not a bug.
But being a disloyal, disrespectful, coward who inflates his military record in a way that diminishes the enormous sacrifices of service members who aren’t as lucky as him is a disgrace. Republicans and especially Republican voters are garbage human beings. And that is their great weakness and vulnerability.
Roger Rabbit spews:
I see the 11th Circuit handed down a ruling that can hardly be interpreted as anything but a repudiation of Judge Cannon
Elijah Dominic McDotcom spews:
37,
A better, wiser person might seriously reconsider her career.
Elijah Dominic McDotcom spews:
It’s actually kind of rare to see a beat down like this in a panel decision granting relief from a lower court in the form of a temp stay. It’s normally reserved for full appeal and most of the snark is in the footnotes.
But here the three panel judges just let her have it right in the body of the analysis.
Makes Judge Dearie’s job much easier. And I expect Cannon will now take whatever Dearie comes up with and just quietly put it in motion without further comment. Until the rest of her order is tossed on full appeal.
Trump paid Kise $3 million and got a nine day delay.
Roger Rabbit spews:
@38 Why would she do that? She’s not employable anywhere else, and she can’t be fired from this job, at least not for incompetence. Sure, it’s gonna be as boring as hell presiding over the federal equivalent of small claims court for the next 35 years, but it’s a paycheck.
Elijah Dominic McDotcom spews:
40,
I’m sure she’s highly employable as Of counsel for some GOP adjacent white shoe firm. District court judges only make about $200k. I don’t actually know if they get some kind of housing assistance allowance based on local indexing. But she’s living in an expensive area right now and earning less than the local car salesmen.
She’d even make more money taking a faculty position with an average law school. Doesn’t the My Pillow guy need a lawyer? Seems like he does.
But she won’t quit. She’s where she is because of the robes and the power to belittle and fuck with attorneys who earn ten times as much as she does. The tiny thrill that gives her today is going to turn into a dark, twisted, and bitter consolation for her in ten or fifteen years.
EvergreenRailfan spews:
37)Looks like unanimous.
Roger Rabbit spews:
“Whether a court should exercise its equitable jurisdiction in
this context ‘is subject to the sound discretion of the district court.’ Richey, 515 F.2d at 1243. But that discretion is not boundless.” Here, at p. 16.
Wow. To get overturned for unsound exercise of discretion is humiliating. The last time we heard this was here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lKHIL1eSVU
Judge Cannon is now the Colonel Kurtz of the federal bench.
Roger Rabbit spews:
“Whether a court should exercise its equitable jurisdiction in
this context ‘is subject to the sound discretion of the district court.’ Richey, 515 F.2d at 1243. But that discretion is not boundless.” Here, at p. 16.
Wow. To get overturned for unsound exercise of discretion is humiliating. The last time we heard this was here.
Judge Cannon is now the Colonel Kurtz of the federal bench.
Roger Rabbit spews:
“Whether a court should exercise its equitable jurisdiction in
this context ‘is subject to the sound discretion of the district court.’ Richey, 515 F.2d at 1243. But that discretion is not boundless.” Here, at p. 16.
Wow. To get overturned for unsound exercise of discretion is humiliating. The last time we heard of something like this was here. Judge Cannon is now the Colonel Kurtz of the federal bench.
Roger Rabbit spews:
Montana Republicans want to divert $6 million in federal workforce training funds to help businesses automate instead.
https://www.rawstory.com/montana-gianforte-workers/
RedReformed spews:
@44. The Abolish Social Security Republicans can’t get Americans to work for the wages business wants to pay, and the illegals have stopped coming there, so they want to replace those lazy no show workers with machines. The greedy racist incel has been dreaming about that for years. Punish those workers for wanting to be paid for their labor!
Elijah Dominic McDotcom spews:
Which, even if it were true, would obviously also mean that the current president can also reclassify any document “just by saying it”.
And it is not a criminal defense in this case, no matter how far someone bends over backwards or ties themselves in knots of due process. Because after Trump was no longer president and no longer had any such authority, the nice people from the DOJ delivered a notification to him explaining that the current president regarded any documents bearing classification markings as being classified and therefore belonging to the US government.
He needs to shut the fuck up and stop talking about the crimes he’s committed. He has terrible lawyers and he’s making their job much harder and more complicated.
RedReformed spews:
‘Siding With Insurrectionists,’ 203 House Republicans Vote No on Coup Prevention Bill. The Presidential Election Reform Act, which aims to prevent another January 6-style insurrection, passed with the support of every House Democrat present—but only nine Republicans.
And the nine republicans are retiring or primaried out of the Eliminate Social Security Republican Party.
Elijah Dominic McDotcom spews:
18 U.S.C. § 793
(d) Whoever, lawfully having possession of, access to, control over, or being entrusted with any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, or note relating to the national defense, or information relating to the national defense which information the possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation, willfully communicates, delivers, transmits or causes to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted or attempts to communicate, deliver, transmit or cause to be communicated, delivered or transmitted the same to any person not entitled to receive it, or willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it on demand to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it…
(f) Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.
In the 29 page ruling issued yesterday by the 11th Circuit, the panel found unanimously that so long as the documents in question bore proper marks identifying them as being classified, then the DOJ has met the statutory requirements set forth in 18 U.S.C. § 793 establishing that a crime was committed.
Here, perhaps unlike many others, I don’t rush immediately to the conclusion that Trump is fucked. The DOJ has established to the satisfaction of an appellate panel of “Trump” judges that the espionage act has been violated in this case. But no individual has been indicted. And no defense of the charge has been mounted, other than Trump’s wasteful and discrediting self-destructive lawsuit. This finding by the panel does, however, confirm for us some things we may have previously speculated about.
This is a very serious felony criminal investigation.
The criminal investigation is a lot farther along than initially suspected.
“The documents at issue contain information ‘the unauthorized disclosure of which reasonably could be expected to cause exceptionally grave damage to the national security.”
With respect to any espionage act charges concerning those marked documents, challenges to the warrant and motions to exclude are likely to be completely fruitless.
The DOJ prosecutors already know all of this, even if thanks to the circuit court the rest of us (including Trumpland) are just figuring it out.
The thrust of the criminal investigation at this stage will be to determine which individuals had specific, knowing “possession of, access to, control over, or (were) entrusted with” those marked documents,
and…
“willfully retain(ed) the same and fail(ed) to deliver (them) on demand”.
That’s going to include some people who’ve been on television in the last two weeks talking shit out of their pie holes. Whether or not that includes Trump may depend entirely upon how willing those fucksticks are to take a charge and do time for the boss.
RedReformed spews:
Trump Support Remains Unmoved by Investigations, Poll Finds
― Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark
One Alfa for me! spews:
If the media was truly the honest media, Trump would never have come along. Instead, they constantly push political and social agendas – at the expense of being truthful and decent reporting.
Hillary Clinton lost to Trump because the Democrats were tone deaf about recognizing how deeply so many people hate her fucking guts! Hopefully we will never hear anything about her again with the exception that she simply died. The sooner she goes to her ultimate reward, the better!
RedReformed spews:
Geez., It’s started.
Far-right Michigan House candidate argues that women shouldn’t have the right to vote
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2022/9/22/2124541/-Trump-endorsed-House-candidate-says-the-U-S-suffered-after-women-s-suffrage
A far-right, Trump-endorsed GOP House nominee in Michigan must not need the votes of women. In the past, he’s said that women aren’t as smart as men, shouldn’t be in the workplace with men, and the nation has “suffered” since women were given the right to vote.
Elijah Dominic McDotcom spews:
50,
Really?
It’s somebody else’s fault that you voted for him over and over and over again?
What ever happened to character and personal responsibility?
BTW, you still owe an apology for calling those legal asylum seekers “illegal”. Another great example of your weak character.
RedReformed spews:
@50. One Alfalfa, IMHO, the biggest miscalculation was Democrats not realizing how much push back the Apartheid faction would have, from the horror of America choosing to put a black man in white house and forcing them endure Marriage Equality and being asked to share a small amount of privilege and power.
Trump and the Eliminate Social Security Republicans promised to hurt the people those Apartheid voters hate.
Vicious Troll spews:
The Daily Beast drops a dime on White Boy Shaun.
Inside Shaun King’s Shadowy $6.7 Million Nonprofit
Talcum X, it seems, has spun himself quite the web of interlinked companies. Why do that?
Everyone but The Even Bigger Fucking Moron knows why.
Vicious Troll spews:
@ 50
The sooner she goes to her ultimate reward, the
better!sooner the question “What difference, at this point, does it make?” will be answered the way #CrookedHillary wanted it to be answered.Vicious Troll spews:
@ 48
It depends on the meaning of “(C)”, doesn’t it?
At least WRT the classified documents that somehow found themselves on Anthony Weiner’s laptop.
I mean, who caused them to be transmitted there, QoS McHillbilly?
YLB laughing at lord kreepshit, the "seriously" silly, irrelevant, kreepee kreepah of widbee spews:
The greedy racist incel has been dreaming about that for years. Punish those workers for wanting to be paid for their labor!
If only they’d work for nothing, they’d still have jobs..
RedReformed spews:
The latest victim of Tall Building Syndrome in Russia — or as Rick Wilson calls it, Terminal Velocity Poisoning — is Anatoly Gerashchenko, the former head of the Moscow Aviation Institute, who fell from a great height in the MAI building.
Russian news outlet Izvestia, citing an unnamed source, reported that Gerashchenko “fell from a great height” and careened down several flights of stairs. He was reportedly pronounced dead at the scene.
Wonder if his name was on a document on the floor in Mar a lago?
RedReformed spews:
Shorter Greedy Racist Incel. “I am outraged a non republican act as corruptly as trump and the abolish Social Security Republicans.”
Who is Shawn King again? The name seems familiar but I can’t place him. Is he one of the Cardiassians or like JD Vance?
Elijah Dominic McDotcom spews:
Nope. Not at all.
How dismal that even when I take the time to bold the relevant passage from the criminal statute Degen can’t read it.
…or willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it on demand to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it…
It should be clear at this point to anyone who is not a groveling partisan to Trump that the DOJ proceeded very slowly, deliberately, and forgivingly with respect to the strong evidence already in their possession that Trump had retained marked documents. They very painstakingly went through a series of steps designed to allow Trump, his lawyers, and his custodians of documents to produce the marked materials that were later recovered in the search. They held meetings at which they briefed the Klown Kar real estate lawyers about the relevant federal criminal statutes, highlighting the important passages just like I have, and just like the 11th Circuit panel has. They invited the lawyers and custodians to make additional searches and gave them months to conduct those searches. They issued multiple subpoenas over many months ordering the return of the marked documents. With each subpoena they reminded Trump and his lawyers that the law made it a felony to retain these very documents after receiving such a subpoena. They even had Trump’s lawyers sign statements attesting that they had read and understood all of it.
The crime being mentioned here in the 29 page decision from the 11th involves the willful retention and failure to deliver.
And there’s a good reason for that. Charging people who are authorized to have such documents with “mishandling” is not actually easy to do. Reading 18 U.S.C. § 793 (c) should make that somewhat obvious. For one thing it’s got a complex and difficult intent requirement.
…for the purpose of obtaining information respecting the national defense with intent or reason to believe that the information is to be used to the injury of the United States, or to the advantage of any foreign nation…
An intent requirement like that one is actually much easier when the accused is not authorized to possess the material. That’s a good starting point for establishing the intent. Other evidence regarding the methods used by the unauthorized person to obtain possession of the material, and conceal that illegal possession also provide good circumstantial evidence. But even then, such individuals are seldom charged under this statute unless they duplicate it in violation of (b) or transfer the material in violation of paragraph (e).
But when the person in possession of the material is authorized to possess it, the intent with respect to copying, transferring, or mishandling is very tough to meet and is liable to all sorts of effective criminal defenses.
Bratt’s job is to secure this material and that’s what he was trying to do. I see no evidence at all that he was seeking with prejudice to build a criminal trap for these stupid assholes. If anything it’s the opposite. Over the course of six months he provided them with a series of escape hatches and begged them to take the outs. But given his job and its requirements he also knows that paragraph (d) is the criminal statute that gives him the authority and the leverage to make anyone the president designates return classified material or face going to jail for refusing to do so. For six months they willfully and intentionally refused to return the classified material.
Vicious Troll spews:
It’s another beautiful day in Bidenworld.
Y’all know what that widening gap and increasingly inverted yield curve mean, don’t y’all?
Roger Rabbit spews:
AOC’s Republican opponent, who accuses her of being “soft on crime,” is the matriarch of a gangster family.
https://www.rawstory.com/tina-forte/
https://www.elrisala.com/2022/09/22/gop-congress-hopeful-run-for-aoc-seat-has-serial-criminal-husband-and-son/
Elijah Dominic McDotcom spews:
What I know is that most voters don’t.
Vicious Troll spews:
@ 63
What I know is that most voters don’t.
Oh, give it a couple o’ months. YLB’s fucked kids don’t, either. But knowin’ it and feelin’ it are two different things.
Roger Rabbit spews:
@63 In the context of 8% inflation, 4.1% is a ridiculously low interest rate. Borrowers, with the Fed’s complicity, have been robbing savers for years. It’s time for this theft to end.
Vicious Troll spews:
Oh, lookie! Gas prices on the rise again.
At least in CA.
Elijah Dominic McDotcom spews:
In two months the midterm election will have been over for two weeks and most of the voting will have been over for more than a month.
There’s that fuckin’ TIME MASHEEN again.
Trolls like Degen just keep losing and just keep trolling.
Which I suppose makes sense since that’s all they’ve got anymore, now that they’ve given up and allowed themselves to be sucked beyond Teh Orange Event Horizon. All that really seems to matter to them anymore is shitposting memes, vibes, and feels. It’s the precise inversion of the Bush/Neocon world view. Trump conservatives don’t actually do anything. Nor do they effect change or have substantive impact on the larger world outside of their opinion space and the realm of “feels”.
Even the residue of their past triumphs is beyond their ability to effect or leverage for advancement. Dobbs will cost them the Senate and probably a dozen seats in the House. It will drive about half of college educated suburban white females out of the Republican Party forever. The memes and shitposting only make the bleeding worse.
It’s now Dark Brandon and Democrats who make things happen in the real world, promoting and distributing wildly successful vaccines, creating millions of new jobs, restoring a full employment growing economy, kicking Putin’s pathetic sad ass, building a green energy future, combating global climate change, restoring the rule of law, and dragging corrupt, incompetent, dangerous Republicans kicking and screaming to justice.
Conservatives OTOH observe, consider, and issue “takes” and memes that they then share and promote for “clout”.
It’s kinda pathetic.
Vicious Troll spews:
Senator Cortez Masto, do you have any comment on the murder of a Las Vegas Review-Journal investigative journalist by one of your Nevada Democrat colleagues?
Vicious Troll spews:
Just a puddle of cellular goo…
Senator Cortez Masto spews:
Yes, my condolences to the family of the journalist.. May justice be done.
Trolls, go fuck yourselves.
Vicious Troll spews:
Well, why not? Texas has a bazillion of the same centers.
New York City to open emergency centers to house migrants bused by Texas
When NYC does it, Reuters thinks it’s news.
Elijah Dominic McDotcom spews:
36 weeks. Third trimester.
This is how we know they are losing.
They have to lie about the issue, just to make themselves feel a bit better.
YLB laughing at lord kreepshit mcdimfook teh feckless, irrelevant widbee kreepah and "sugar daddy" spews:
@72 Doesn’t speak well of their “intelligence”…
Vicious Troll spews:
Vilsack and Blumenthal smile. Quietly.
Ooh. And Kerry.
YLB laughing at lord kreepshit mcdimfook teh feckless, irrelevant widbee kreepah and "sugar daddy" spews:
But knowin’ it and feelin’ it are two different things.
They’re the same when kreepshit visits teh widbee VIP room to get an ass-pounding from its fellow klownservabros..
It’s still paying with its ass for being MIA on Jan 6.
Elijah Dominic McDotcom spews:
BREAKING LEOPARDS EATING FACES NEWS
My Pillow guy just got his suit for recovering his phone tossed by a Trump appointed federal judge.*
Judge cited the 11th circuit decision in Trump’s MAL search warrant lawsuit as his authority for the denial.
Womp – womp.
*A federal judiciary filled with “Trump judges” and yet the only tangible results are a SCOTUS opinion that is dragging them under and a bunch of bullshit memes about smiling fetuses.
Elijah Dominic McDotcom spews:
Alex Jones sitting in Connecticut today in his most recent damages trial for fucking over dead children and torturing their grieving parents.
During the actual trial, while waiting to take the stand to defend himself, Jones has continued to broadcast his video programs to his viewers. In these broadcasts Jones himself repeatedly refers to the judge presiding over the trial he is currently in as a “tyrant” and depicts her to his audience, during the trial she is presiding over as being a demon with glowing lasers shooting out of her eyes.
https://lawandcrime.com/live-trials/live-trials-current/alex-jones/watch-live-alex-jones-connecticut-defamation-trial/
Fuck yeah. She’s just going to tune his shit out and devote all her attention and civil trial experience to the one job of fucking him in the ass as hard and as deep as possible without producing reversible error.
YLB laughing at lord kreepshit mcdimfook teh feckless, irrelevant widbee kreepah and "sugar daddy" spews:
At teh widbee vip lounge, a glass will be raised to a “true” patriot:
https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/national-international/nazi-sympathizer-who-stormed-the-capitol-sentenced-to-4-years-in-jan-6-case/3078681/
After kreepshit’s ass pounding of course..
Only got 4 years? WTF is his lawyer, they all ask.. At toast! May its ass stay unviolated in lockup…
Libertarian spews:
I was a participant in the First Gulf War, and, while we in the military were very successful at defeating Saddam Hussein’s forces, the whole thing was a tremendous mistake.
We became involved in saving an Islamic monarchy for the glory of George Bush the First and his friends in the Saudi Royal Family. That’s not what a representative democracy like ours does. The better course of action would been to quietly meet with the Iraqi government to tell them we would not become involved in their Kuwait invasion if Iraq agreed to two terms. First, stay out of Saudi Arabia and limit your territorial conquest to Kuwait alone. Second, keep Iran in check as a way of insuring non-intervention against them on the part of the US and other Western powers.
These two simple ideas would have dramatically (and for the better) altered the course of world history. Had we never become involved in the First Gulf Misadventure, Iraq and Afghanistan would not have disintegrated into an international basket cases, Iran would have been kept busy with Iraq as its main enemy (and not the US) and there would have been no 9/11 attack on the United States by bat-shit crazy Islamic extremists.
It’s hard to believe, but the people who did the 9/11 Job actually were seeking revenge on the Western infidels for daring to tread on “holy” Islamic ground, i.e., Saudi Arabia. My view of the Saudi Peninsula does not include the adjective “holy” in any fashion, but, for some reason known only to them, Muslims think Saudi Arabia is a holy place. Hey, go figure!
CNN and the other news agencies (when they were doing the news instead of their current activities of propaganda dissemination for socialism) showed us some wonderful footage of how successful the coalition was against the Iraqi military, but we were all cheering for the wrong thing. Staying out of foreign entanglements is the better course of action. Had we stayed away from this ridiculous war, there would have been no 9/11 tragedy, no Department of Homeland Security and the accompanying loss of personal liberties, no massive Deep State players like the NSA listening in to our phone calls and reading our emails, no sub-humans from the TSA looking into our underwear and feeling-up little old ladies, and a lot more people in Iraq and the Middle East would be going about living their lives without Western oppression.
But Iraq is not our only debacle that has reduced our country to a nation of international nannies. We’ve been at it for quite a while. Take the Spanish-American War, for example. Does anyone not think the attack on the Maine battleship wasn’t an inside job? It was staged to allow us to have an excuse to invade Caribbean lands to expand an American Business/Government Empire.
The Spanish-American War set the stage for later horrible presidents getting the US into asinine situations. Woodrow Wilson, a disgusting president, engineered the US into World War I after making campaign promises to keep us out of war in Europe. He knew the Lusitania was going to be attacked by the German Kaiser’s U-boats, and he let it happen because he wanted to put America in the middle of international disasters to boost his ego.
Then, FDR used Pearl Harbor as an excuse to get us into World War II. He and his incompetent economic policies did nothing but prolong the Great Depression, and he couldn’t figure out a way to end it without taking the country’s attention away from his failed economic policies.
And don’t forget about Lying Lyndon Johnson and his redneck persona producing the Gulf of Tonkin Lie to justify stepping into the Vietnam quagmire, and Nixon continued the same stupid policies. George W. Bush used the “weapons of mass destruction” lie and the 9/11 revenge attack against the US to justify a twenty-year international disaster that he, Obama, Trump and finally Biden have turned into a clusterfuck of epic proportions.
It’s past time for the United States to unwind all overseas military involvement. Close all 900+ overseas bases and return the troops to defending the US, not the rest of the world. All we have to show for over 125 years of incompetent meddling is death, destruction and everlasting hatred against us by Muslims, Asians, Central and South Americans, Europeans and Russians. What good has it done, in the long run?
Elijah Dominic McDotcom spews:
According to the case management plan ordered today by Judge Dearie, the DOJ has until Monday to update then certify the detailed inventory of the stolen shit recovered in the MAL search.
Following that, the Trump Klown Kar has until Friday to specifically identify anything in that detailed inventory that they allege was not actually recovered in the search as claimed by the DOJ.
In other words the Klown Kar has until one week from tomorrow to stop lying about documents being “planted” and admit that they were lying.
Dearie isn’t just making them work hard and fast to clear up the bullshit well before the midterms. He’s making them eat the bullshit at every step along the way.
#TrumpJudges
Newt Hoenikker spews:
Trump is going to end up in jail if he actually believes his own bullshit.
Elijah Dominic McDotcom spews:
79,
Congratulations and best of luck with your plan to sell voters on your “Let Hitler Win” plan for global security.
Reeeeeeeally brilliant stuff there, skippy.
Vicious Troll spews:
’cause interest rates aren’t high enough.
CFPB Considers Permanently Restoring Covid Mortgage Protections (1)
Even if the lost interest is reimbursed by the federal government, in which case it’s YLB’s kids who pay for it, there are substantial increased costs incurred by the lenders, not to mention the risk of bad publicity if – God forbid – the lenders adhere to the contractual language and a few homeowners get foreclosed upon.
This will place upward pressure on rates.
Congress can always step in, if necessary.
CFPB has shown us why it would have been very bad for all had Liz Warren run it.
Elijah Dominic McDotcom spews:
81,
A more interesting question in my mind is why?
Why the fuck is Trump this willing to risk prison over a bunch of classified defense documents that ought to have no real value to him personally as a failed political figure living in a sticky sex club in Florida?
To me that’s honestly a very tough question to answer.
But that may be only due to the fact that I don’t abuse massive amounts of prescription pills like Trump does and my thinking isn’t quite muddled enough to have the insight.
RedReformed spews:
I assume abolish social security republicans are totally cool with Biden having the authority to declassify documents with his mind, never tell anyone else, and just hand those documents to Hunter, right greed racist incel?
Very Severe Conservative spews:
Damn guuuurl, is your ass declassified? Cause I was just thinkin’ about it.
Newt Hoenikker spews:
@84
Good question.
He thinks of himself as a “stable genius.” WTF is that? The man is simply nuts. He has a gift for grift and fleecing people out of money. Money is power. He has money so he has power. He can fool some of the people all of the time…
He simply thinks he can do whatever he wants. Judges are finally telling him, no he can’t.
Why people still support this whackjob and give him money is beyond comprehension.
Vicious Troll spews:
A Congresswoman only YLB could love.
YLB laughing at lord kreepshit, the "seriously" silly, irrelevant, kreepee kreepah of widbee spews:
Shorter kreepshit @ 83…
desperately hand-waving away the 80k+ IRS agents of Manchinema…
RedReformed spews:
This ESG?
ESG stands for Environmental Social and Governance, and refers to the three key factors when measuring the sustainability and ethical impact of an investment in a business or company.
YLB laughing at lord kreepshit, the "seriously" silly, irrelevant, kreepee kreepah of widbee spews:
stop funding fossil fuels.
I’d be perfectly happy if the Congress stopped subsidizing fossil fuels…
https://www.eesi.org/papers/view/fact-sheet-fossil-fuel-subsidies-a-closer-look-at-tax-breaks-and-societal-costs
That would easily fund kreepshit’s fantasy of re-occupying Afghanistan. A policy only an “unserious” freak would love.
RedReformed spews:
https://www.npr.org/2022/09/22/1124578235/how-americans-investment-accounts-are-being-pulled-into-culture-wars
More ESG news
Vladimir Putin, from deep inside Kremlin bunker spews:
@ 79,
Yes. Da. Da.
Very good. Very wise.
Is now time for U.S. to focus on domestic security.
Let each nation be allowed to work out disagreement on its own, and with neighbors, by whatever means they deem best.
I urge all Americans to withdraw from conflicts abroad that do not concern you. Grow corn. Play baseball. Drive big car!
Don’t let yourselves be dragged into the troubles of others.
Also, is just coincidence that I saying this right now.
Other times I also saying this. Now is just coincidence.
Roger Rabbit spews:
Now the special master wants ***proof*** the FBI planted docs at Mar-a-Lago! No telling what he might do next …
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/sep/22/trump-special-master-fbi-documents-mar-a-lago
Roger Rabbit spews:
@68 “Senator Cortez Masto, do you have any comment on the murder of a Las Vegas Review-Journal investigative journalist by one of your Nevada Democrat colleagues?”
He has a right to remain silent, to have an attorney or one appointed for him if he cannot afford an attorney, a right to a fair trial, and he’s presumed innocent until found guilty in a court of law. After which they should hang the murdering bastard.
Roger Rabbit spews:
@68 “Senator Cortez Masto, do you have any comment on the murder of a Las Vegas Review-Journal investigative journalist by one of your Nevada Democrat colleagues?”
He has a right to remain silent, to have an attorney or one appointed for him if he cannot afford an attorney, a right to a fair trial, and he’s presumed innocent until found guilty in a court of law. After which they should hang the murdering bastard.
Roger Rabbit spews:
Well, this looks like a big lawsuit, or a whole bunch of lawsuits.
In Louisiana, 2,100 high schoolers, mostly seniors, were bused from school to a “College & Career Fair” that instead turned out to be anti-LGBQT proselytizing (and bullying of LGBQT students) at an evangelical megachurch.
https://www.rawstory.com/students-told-they-were-going-to-career-fair-taken-to-anti-lgbt-church-service-instead/
RedReformed spews:
@97. Well that’s vile.
“Other students poured water on top of transgender students’ heads without any repercussions by any of the adults present, They talked about rape (and) forgiving the offender, suicide, and many more dark controversial topics. We had females in the bathrooms crying due to the topics of discussion.”
“DAY OF HOPE? More like day of trauma. You prayed over my child, told her that she should remain abstinent, talked to her about suicide, and told her that if she’s being abused in a domestic violence situation that she should forgive her abuser even if he’s not sorry.”
There is no greater hate than a conservative christian love.
YLB laughing at lord kreepshit mcdimfook teh feckless, irrelevant widbee kreepah and "sugar daddy" spews:
@98
Bryant also wrote that the ‘boy’s talk’ also involved physical challenges, something the girl’s talk did not. “From the beginning no topics were discussed but (they) began male chauvinistic competition for monetary reward for winners,” Bryant wrote. “Then proceeded to compete for push-ups for more money. They were hyped up and egged on.”
munee… i.e. preparation for a proper klownservabro frat house initiation: munee for the winner.. ‘cept in the frat, the loser gets “the butt stuff”..
lord kreepshit voted for Carter.. even after the REAL “miracle on ice”.. we all know what it got.
Ggggggeeee Money! spews:
I’m not sure that truthfully explains it. The reason why The FuckHump was elected was because of the racist Tea Baggers. They created such a stir with their hatred towards Barrak Obama….that’s why The FuckHump came along and won…..Lock Her Up!
Mind you Hillary got more of the popular vote you fool. That equates to more people hating the FuckHump and electing a loser.
YLB laughing at lord kreepshit mcdimfook teh feckless, irrelevant widbee kreepah and "sugar daddy" spews:
if she’s being abused in a domestic violence situation that she should forgive her abuser even if he’s not sorry.
klownservabro frat boy’s dream.. this was Marth McSally’s downfall.. she shoulda just shut up and the klownservabros of AZ would have left their barcaloungers to throw the lever for her..
well maybe..
YLB laughing at lord kreepshit mcdimfook teh feckless, irrelevant widbee kreepah and "sugar daddy" spews:
Heh… here’s a sanitized version of what lord kreepshit got:
https://youtu.be/-7870l6ECBw
the “real thing” was more grueling…
Vicious Troll spews:
Senator Cortez Masto, why is it that Democrats in your state and elsewhere are committing murder over politics?
Vicious Troll spews:
@ 100
Mind you Hillary got more of the popular vote…
Mind you that’s wholly irrelevant. It’s equally irrelevant when the bloviating, useless Robinhood Dumbfuck Rabbit brings it up.
Vicious Troll spews:
This gets YLB moist.
Elijah Dominic McDotcom spews:
It’s entirely relevant when your fundamental claim is that the Dem nominee was wildly, excessively, historically unpopular.
That claim simply cannot be if the fucking counting says otherwise.
The word “popular” has a precise meaning that applies very precisely whether you are counting total votes cast or describing the number of people who supported her.
Trump won the 2016 election.
Trump was less popular than Hillary Clinton.
This just fucking kills them.
Almost as much as it kills their “beloved Daddy Twump”
Vicious Troll spews:
I’d like to take this opportunity to publicly thank The Fat Cow for explaining ultrasound physics to me.
To think I had been taught that it was the movement of blood through the heart, whether there are valves or not, which is the source of the Doppler signal and, if activated, the associated sound.
I’m so relieved to have finally learned differently.
Exit question: Why are women so gullible as to believe men wearing white coats? Don’t they know that the baby on the screen isn’t really their baby?
Vicious Troll spews:
@ 106
It’s entirely relevant when your fundamental claim is that the Dem nominee was wildly, excessively, historically unpopular.
Name a female general election major party presidential election candidate more unpopular than was Hillary Clinton.
She was historically unpopular. Wildly and excessively so. The second-most unpopular candidate in history, if Gallup be believed.
Vicious Troll spews:
I didn’t know this NPR commentator is a radiologist.
Exit question: Who will break the news to The Fat Cow? Kremkau?
Vicious Troll spews:
Robinhood Dumbfuck Rabbit is a millionaire in the manner that Dan Ackroyd’s Jimmah foretold.
Everyone will be a millionaire!
YLB laughing at lord kreepshit mcdimfook teh feckless, irrelevant widbee kreepah and "sugar daddy" spews:
Why are women so gullible as to believe men wearing white coats?
Yours truly remembers when lord kreepshit believed these white coats:
https://drrichswier.com/wp-content/uploads/Americas-front-line-doctors.jpg
One of them became deathsatanist’s kooky tool… the “doctor” at the mic just got outta the joint:
https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/exclusives/100624
YLB laughing at lord kreepshit mcdimfook teh feckless, irrelevant widbee kreepah and "sugar daddy" spews:
“Reducing prison populations is now sexy”
Nothing gives lord kreepshit the tiniest bit more wood than receiving its private prison stock dividend check.
YLB laughing at lord kreepshit mcdimfook teh feckless, irrelevant widbee kreepah and "sugar daddy" spews:
Name a female general election major party presidential election candidate more unpopular than was Hillary Clinton.
Easy Jill Stein..
3 states short of having nationwide ballot access. Close enough to “major party”.. Losing Nevada, South Dakota and Oklahoma was not enough to keep her out of the running..
All she had to do was be “popular” to win.. hmmm?
1.5 million votes for Stein vs. Hillary’s 65.8 million? Hillary was way more “popular”…
Fox News spews:
@103
Good link.
Elijah Dominic McDotcom spews:
After Donald J Trump.
Obviously.
And mathematically.
Just look at how this triggers the troll.
So cool.
In 2016 more voters wanted Hillary Clinton to be president than Donald J. Trump.
Fuck yeah.
Elijah Dominic McDotcom spews:
113,
I was going to suggest Palin.
She cost Degen the Maverick administration and now an easy House seat in a crucial year. And shes still going with absolutely no sign of quitting.
Kansas spews:
@103
(two weeks before election)
Election, 59% were against it, 41% for it.
So AT LEAST 6% of the Pro were lying to pollsters IF 100% of undecideds broke against it.
Now if I’m an ‘R’ candidate going into the first week of November with anything less than a four point lead I’d be privately incredibly nervous that I’m about to get creamed.
Elijah Dominic McDotcom spews:
McCain, as terrible as he really was, was immensely popular with lean/indee voters in the swings. Palin absolutely destroyed him with those voters he really needed. She was a base-only choice. Strategically she was a disaster, shoring up McCain with voters he already had, while driving millions away.
Look at the numbers. Clinton only underperformed Obama by a few million. McCain lost by 10 million.
He can thank Palin for most of that. She was really terrible.
And the best part is she still is.
Trump/Palin 2024!
James O'Keefe spews:
Somebody call the living Koch brother. I’m going to need an infusion of cash stat.
Vicious Troll spews:
@ 117
Look at the numbers. Clinton only underperformed Obama by a few million. McCain lost by 10 million.
That’ll happen when you double the electorate between a party’s primary season and the nation’s general election.
But let’s not let facts get in the way of QoS McHillbilly’s math.
[I had to look twice to verify that @ 117 wasn’t authored by Robinhood Dumbfuck Rabbit as it’s the type of silly mistake he so commonly makes. But I guess there’s no math in any of the law schools.]
Roger Rabbit spews:
@104 “Mind you that’s wholly irrelevant.”
Looks like our armchair lawyer doesn’t know how relevance works.
@50 an unidentified alien troll posted, “Hillary Clinton lost to Trump because the Democrats were tone deaf about recognizing how deeply so many people hate her fucking guts!”
@100 Gman pointed out that Hillary got more votes than Trump. This is relevant to how many people hate her fucking guts. Given this data point, there are only two possible answers:
(1) Not very many, or
(2) A lot, but even more people hate Trump’s fucking guts.
If the issue being tried in a court of law was who people hate more, Hillary or Trump, and you tried to introduce the electoral votes into evidence, it would not survive an objection on relevancy grounds, because the electoral votes and who won the election have nothing to do with whether more people hate Hillary or hate Trump.
You’re a shitty armchair lawyer.
Elijah Dominic McDotcom spews:
I gotta say, it’s like the poor thing is living entirely in his own head now.
Who the fuck even knows what Degen is on about these days?.
Round numbers, in 2008, 69 million voted for Obama.
2016, 66 million voted for Clinton.
Obama’s 10 million vote margin in 2008 is conventionally credited to a massive increase in turnout owing to the “historic” nature of his candidacy. While the 2016 election featuring the “two most unpopular candidates in the history of the universe” had 20 million more voters than 2008.
I’ll grant that Obama was wildly popular and historic and produced turnout. I saw it with my own eyes at every step. But that only accounts for a portion of the margin. Palin poisoned McCain’s turnout among lean-R conservative college educated suburban white voters.
RedReformed spews:
Stacey Abrams Enrages Republicans By Citing Science On ‘Fetal Heartbeats’
“There are no chambers of the heart developed at the early stage in pregnancy”
“An embryo has not developed enough to be called a fetus until around 10 weeks. And it’s not until roughly 17 to 20 weeks of gestation that the chambers of the heart have been developed and can be detected via ultrasound, ACOG says.
Conservatives: Life begins at the first heartbeat!
Science: That doesn’t happen till 20 weeks, which is where we were to start with.
Conservatives: Life begins at the moment the egg is fertilized!
Conservatives doing what they do best. Moving the goal posts to illogical degrees.
Science doesn’t agree with our agenda? Science has to go!
RedReformed spews:
If life begins at conception then anyone can have an American kid if they fuck in America. Someone will eventually sue for their citizenship that way.
RedReformed spews:
Stacey Abrams enrages Republicans by existing
Black ✅
Woman ✅
Democrat ✅
Educated ✅
She checks all their hate-boxes.
Thomas Jefferson spews:
Wait’ll some of those anti CRT folks hear about some of my kids.
Vicious Troll spews:
@ 121, 119, 117
Clinton only underperformed Obama by a few million.
Explain to me, QoS McHillbilly, why I should realize you referred to separate races in 2016, instead of the Obama v Clinton primary of 2008, when they were head-to-head and relative performance could be directly measured.
Explain to me why I should treat eight years of population growth between the two elections as nonexistent. Explain to me why I should treat a competitive race – Trump v Clinton final estimate was 3.3 points – and a noncompetitive race – Obama v McCain final estimate was 11 points – as generating equal voter interest.
Again, McHillbilly, you are using Dumbfuck Rabbitesque rationale. Try common sense instead.
RedReformed spews:
Gov. Greg Abbott asked donors to help pay for busing migrants. The response isn’t covering the bills
Social security killing Republican voters want to hurt people – they never signed up to pay to make it actually happen. They want everything to be exactly their way, with zero effort, expense, or risk on their part.
Vicious Troll spews:
@ 125
Tom, dude. The anti-CRT folks got what they wanted. We’ve all got flat screens now.
Vicious Troll spews:
Ever notice how G-clown and Steve don’t bless First Vegetable Joe Biden when the market tanks?
We’re down below DJIA 30,000 again. Remember when some guy on HA predicted that and everyone else laughed at him while they counted their pennies?
That was one prescient guy.
Vicious Troll spews:
The DJIA’s performance under First Vegetable Joe Biden has been a loss of 1,500 points.
Thanks, Hardscrabble Joe!
Hey, at least he made gas, food, and housing much more expensive. So there’s that.
Vicious Troll spews:
2-year Treasuries jumped to 4.27% earlier this morning.
Elijah Dominic McDotcom spews:
Degen already answered his own question with his shitpost at 119.
A general election popular vote total is obviously a better measure of “popularity”, even if we are comparing two different elections.
And besides, this is just another bad faith effort on the part of an ignorant, failing troll to distract and change the subject.
In November of 2016 Hillary Clinton was more popular than Donald J. Trump. It’s impossible to say if Hillary Clinton was more popular than John McCain. She probably wasn’t very close to being as popular as Barack Obama. But one thing is for damn sure, she was a whole helluva lot more popular than Caribou Barbie.
Finding a presidential general election candidate who was more generally unpopular than Sarah Palin requires us to go back much farther than I really care to. But there’s no point.
Because Palin is still out there. She’s still running for office. And she’s still ruining elections for Republicans just like Trump.
Bless their hearts.
Vicious Troll spews:
@ 132
In November of 2016 Hillary Clinton was more popular than Donald J. Trump.
In the 2016 primary season Hillary Clinton was more popular than Bernie Sanders.
At least one of the two statements is false.
Vicious Troll spews:
Murder
ingous liberals will blame the GOP for just about anything, given the opportunity.Vicious Troll spews:
@ 132
Speaking of Palin, wife and I are on a brief vacay in Alaska. Hell, it’s beautiful up here. Anchorage area – we had to use our Alaska Airlines 2021 companion ticket and decided in December to book a trip here. Before this I had only seen a cruise-ship view of southern Alaska (also a miles-earned trip).
Anyway, Mary Peltola’s ads are all over my laptop screen – when I was checking out Johnny Depp’s attorney’s legs there were four ads at one time. The video ad she cut is great. She’s clearly native Alaskan and the ad does a great job implying that she would represent the interests of Alaskans. I’d vote for her over Palin. I haven’t seen one Palin ad, anywhere. And we passed through Wasilla on our way to Hatcher Pass.
YLB laughing at lord kreepshit, the "seriously" silly, irrelevant, kreepee kreepah of widbee spews:
In the 2016 primary season Hillary Clinton was more popular than Bernie Sanders.
Black voters in the South didn’t know Bernie Sanders.. they made a lot of the difference for Hillary as they did for Biden..
Yours truly voted for Bernie Sanders who I’ve known about since he was the mayor of Burlington, Vt.
But the dem nomination is not often up to northerners like me.