Apparently, both The Stranger and I got fed the same story this afternoon, and to Eli Sanders’ credit, he got it online first. Check out his piece on Slog about Republican backed voter registration challenges in Summit County Ohio. Or read the contemporary reporting on MyDD:
The Summit County Board of Elections abruptly threw out 976 challenges of voter eligibility by the Republican Party today after Barbara Miller, the challenger, revealed that she did not have any personal information about the eligibility of any of the challenged voters.
Sounds eerily familiar, huh? Only these challenges occurred over a year ago, just days before the 2004 general election. As Sanders points out, Lori Sotelo’s challenges did not occur in a vacuum.
During the 2004 presidential election, in hotly contested Ohio, Republicans issued hundreds of flawed voter challenges that ultimately failed for exactly the same reason that King County Republican Lori Sotelo’s challenges failed this year
You’re right Goldy and here’s why we can’t win…our old thinking, i.e., we’re above the dirty tricks, just won’t cut it. We have to be as dirty as they are so I plan to take a cue from the GOP. I plan to challenge republican voters in republican counties all over the state in the days just leading up to the election. Since it appears that I don’t need any personal knowledge to back up my claims, what can the GOP do about it?
We need to fight fire with fire. These dirty cowardly bastards will stop at nothing and we need to match them tit for tat. If we don’t, we’ll face another cycle of republican corruption.
Goldy,
Given what we now know, it would be naive to view the Sotelo challenges in any other context.
Man, you are paranoid. I thought the GOP just got schooled, yet you think it was some trial run?
Oh, never mind…LeftTurn proved it inconsistent…
When are you lefties gonna get on the same page?
Regardless, illegal votes shouldn’t be counted. A better system is needed to verify that a voter values their responsibility enough to follow the voting rules. The rule should also be simplified and easily understandable.
Register the same day as the election, provide a valid address, and signature and SSN. Provide an ID when voting. That should solve all the voting problems, but not all the counting problems.
Left Turn, I can sympathize with your strategy, but I think it could backfire for two reasons:
1) You are handing the Republicans the excuse that
everybody does it.
2) We’ll never be as effective at the Rovians because we don’t have larceny in our veins. And if you recruit lefty-style Rovians, they won’t relinquish their power willingly. Progressivism will turn ugly.
I don’t think the choice is between extreme passivity and Rovian mendacity. However, given the polarized dialogue in these comment threads, I doubt a “middle way” will find much support here.
left turn……..”we’re above the dirty tricks,”
you are? since when?
and since when is it considered “dirty tricks” to make sure the law is followed?
good grief….hey goldy…expect the black heli’s anytime now.
and green thumb…”Progressivism will turn ugly.” will????
it already has. ask the people that had their tires slashed for having the ‘wrong’ bumper sticker…..it was GOP.
Sorry Goldy — YOU’RE WRONG! And so is Eli Sanders.
Ohio law doesn’t require challengers to prove where the voter actually lives. It merely requires challengers to prove the voter doesn’t live where they are registered.
The Ohio challenges were rejected because the GOP’s evidence was deficient. The GOP sent certified mail to the voters — several hundred of whom refused it because it came from the Republican Party. Obviously, refusing to accept certified mail doesn’t prove that someone doesn’t live at that address.
http://www.mydd.com/story/2004/10/28/192844/76
GOP finally getting some balls to clean up the messy sleaze that dems rely on and refuse to clean up on your own. You gonna lose your ability to swing close elections with illegal votes. Trust and faith will be restored thanks to tireless efforts of GOP, and you stupid fucking libs gonna end up looking like corrupt sleazy fools as usual.
Hey, look who’s back! Mark the Redneck, the peerless prognosticator, who told us all that I-912 was going to win by 15 points. What are you telling us now, you sad, simple, sorry, son of a bitch LOSER? Go beat up your mother, like your hero Irons.
Like Zimbabwe, the Democrats are clean and would never stoop to voter fraud. [hehe]
Hey Goldy, Join me in making voter fraud a capital offense. [Dave, Any relatives up in NYC who also vote in Palm Beach?]
Asking Democrat black voter for an “ID” is racist as blacks cannot produce an “ID” unless cashing welfare checks and using food stamps. [hehe….Democrats: lots and lots of voter fraud]
OH NO!
Can it be true that someone has finally figured out what dems. mean when they say, “count every vote”?
Here is a little addition you forgot to link to Goldy.
“Judge throws out plea agreement in voter registration fraud case, sentences man to jailBy Rachel McCormick
RACINE – Damien Donnelle Jones was expecting to receive only a fine for his actions in October 2004, when several employees he supervised with the Project Vote campaign were found to be fraudulently filling out voter registration applications. Instead, he’s going to jail.
Jones was scheduled to begin his jury trial Tuesday, but at the last minute accepted a plea agreement and pleaded guilty.
The Racine County District Attorney’s Office held up its end of a plea bargain: It recommended only a fine and that the four felony counts of election fraud and four felony counts of misconduct in public office be reduced to one count of misdemeanor party to a crime of falsifying voter registration applications.
http://www.journaltimes.com/ar.....573114.txt
And another example of the practical application of the infamous democrat phrase, “count every vote”.
https://iwantmyfreegascom.secure.powweb.com/phyles/electionfraud.pdf
And another one.
By the way, guess which political party is the beneficiary of the examples I’m posting?
http://www.clickondetroit.com/.....etail.html
gonna end up looking like corrupt sleazy fools as usual.
Like your pal Duke Cunningham MTR?
Goldy,
It’s too bad that you can’t report in an honest way the big picture behind attempt by local citizens in this country that respect the law to reign in those that want to steal elections in their communities.
You can rest assured that this is only the beginning of the house cleaning project!
gonna end up looking like corrupt sleazy fools as usual.
Like your pal Duke Cunningham MTR?
Comment by For the Clueless— 12/1/05 @ 8:18 pm
Actually way worse… More like Clinton Sleazy corrupt.
Clinton = most corrupt president ever!!
hee, hee…
This is fun watching Goldy chase parked cars. Splat.
You guys have reasons to dislike Bush, conservative politics, but you are smoking crack if you think the party is trying to dissuade people from voting. Selectively encouraging, yeah, but then again I’ve never seen Patty Murray touring my neighborhood for votes (cuz she’d get egged), so it goes both ways on the “get out your vote”
But keep going. Almost as good as defeding Logan-Sims.
For the Clueless @16
Man, you are so right. Dan Rostenkowski is just so ’90s…
whatabout Maria Cantwell and all her phantom wealth, nicely backfilled by emily’s list and other left wing interest groups…
Did someone let the third graders out tonight? The right-wingers are malicious little shitheads.
i promise i didn’t plant that last comment about 3rd graders (if i was good at sabotage…i should have… :)
Oh ya……I forgot, the posts that I included into this thread were not for the koolaid drinking moonbats, they were for any rationally thinking liberal that wants the complete picture.
The goal is to suppress voters who the challenge is sent to.
The percent of people successfully callenged is irrelevant although it helps eliminate some democrat voters.
Thus, if they succeed in knocking out three percent of voters in a challenge, they may convince 10 percent not to even send their ballot in. Winning the actual challenge is secondary
That’s why we see the challenges being sent in late, right before the votes are to be sent in.
Here’s the real question : Of the 1900 + voters challengedm what was their voting rate v the voting rate of the rest of King County. That’s where we would see whether the tactic is paying off or not. With Maleng in office and giving a free pass to any challengers, look to see a broad scale challenge in 2006.
Yep, if the democrats want to stay competitive, they better start launching some pretty aggressive challenges around the state in Rossi territories.
Erik @25
Interesting, the idea that a challenge is only pro forma…
As I think about it, I see a way to really apply the GOP sleeze tactics in a way that can’t looooose. We see what counties voted by 60% or more for Mr. Dunno (I can’t tell the difference between a real estate agent and a real estate broker) Rossi and then we challenge, 36 hours before the 2006 election, EVERY voter in that district. This would surely keep so many right wing idiots home that we’d win it all. Sounds like the right way to go to me. We then find Dems in every state to take the same approach, finding their own heavily republican districts and challenge to the point that they can’t win.
We should start matching every dirty trick they use, blow for blow. We need our own Karl Rove-our own crooked, cowardly, traitor to crap all over truth and justice.
The GOP culture of corruption must come to an end or our republic is in danger of failing.
marks @ 20
And Abramoff, Safavian, Cunningham, etc. are so today.
The DOOFUS formula: when confronted with Republican incompetence and corruption – just hate Bill Clinton – that solves everything.
Clueless,
Clue me in…Safavian? Never heard of it…
But I know about the others…
The DOOFUS formula: when confronted with Republican incompetence and corruption – just hate Bill Clinton – that solves everything.
Comment by For the Clueless— 12/1/05 @ 9:30 pm
Don’t you love the drivel these donks spew. You never heard from them when the “criminal & Chief” (Clinton) was in power, but if one of Bush’s aids jaywalk they are all over it.
FTC-
when confronted with Republican incompetence and corruption – just hate Bill Clinton
Sorry, I’ll pass on your asseveration. WJC was not a bad president IMHO…
Stefan has yet to take my challenge and start a vegetarian diet and exercise program to reduce his FLABBY MAN BOOBS!!!
I’ve never seen a Diebold machine, but I wonder if spitting a mouthfull of Coca-Cola on it would destroy its usefulness and deprive the Reps of those last minute “surges”?
Too bad we can’t spit something on all the dead and illegal donks to make them go away. At least the GOP is doing the right thing by challenging suspect ballots. You donks are losing your edge!!!
jaybo @ various above
“Oh ya……I forgot, the posts that I included into this thread were not for the koolaid drinking moonbats, they were for any rationally thinking liberal that wants the complete picture.”
I know it’s a popular tactic among Repub. posters here to provide counterexamples of Dems doing ostensibly the same things as the Repubs, but that’s really little more than a straw man argument. Unless, of course, the point you’re trying to make (i.e. the “complete picture”) is that the American political process is pretty corrupt on the whole, which is another matter entirely.
Which is it, straw man, or generalized corruption?
The ever-more-wingnutty Pope:
The Ohio challenges were rejected because the GOP’s evidence was deficient. The GOP sent certified mail to the voters – several hundred of whom refused it because it came from the Republican Party. Obviously, refusing to accept certified mail doesn’t prove that someone doesn’t live at that address.
Aha, so the Ohio GOP was actually following the BIAW playbook from last year’s recount. The cross-fertilization of voter suppression methodology goes both ways, it seems. Next time, they’ll try the Sotelo method, particularly if it’s true that Ohio doesn’t even have something on the books about showing an actual address for the challenged voter.
Erik:
Here’s the real question : Of the 1900 + voters challengedm what was their voting rate v the voting rate of the rest of King County. That’s where we would see whether the tactic is paying off or not. With Maleng in office and giving a free pass to any challengers, look to see a broad scale challenge in 2006.
King County’s official 2005 results show a turnout of 53.88%. If the 1855 unduplicated voters in Sotelo’s list had voted at that rate, 999 of them would have cast ballots on November 8. As it turns out, the Canvassing Board considered only 190 challenges … that’s how many of the challenged voters tried to vote. That’s a mere 10.24% turnout for the group. Even if you assume that all of the “rescinded” challenges (what was it, 75 or so?) actually ended up voting, the turnout in this collection of King County voters was abysmal.
Voter suppression? You betcha!
What I’m thinking, Rufus , is that if in ’06, shortly before the election, there are a lot of unfounded Rep. challenges and attempted voter suppression, it would be good for Dems, to know of a simple way to sabotage the crooked Diebold machines. Tit -for-tat, genius. No more last minute “surges”.
30
Clue
but if one of Bush’s aids jaywalk they are all over it.
2.4 million for jaywalking? Officer write me a ticket…
You can return to hating Bill Clinton now DOOFUS – you’ve been well trained.
So – Maleng’s up for reelection next year – who do we get to run against him? He’s mighty old – and hasn’t had to face an opponent since 1998 – so I say we run HARD against him, and see if he really has what it takes to run a county-wide race.
I’m guessing he doesn’t – and he’s finally given Dems a reason to vote against him – and wait…..Dems outnumber Republicans – so this should be doable. The only question left – who do we get to run?
We will work on cleaning up the voter rolls and you guys haheheheh can work on haahhahahahaha fixing those hehehehehe
Diebold machines. Haahahahahahahahahahahahahaaha.
We need our own Karl Rove-our own crooked, cowardly, traitor to crap all over truth and justice. -Comment by LeftTurn— 12/1/05 @ 9:05 pm
Hitlary
James Carville
Lanny Davis
Mike McCurry
Bob Beckel
Shall we go on?
WHAT ABOUT THE 2,658 ABSENTEE VOTERS WHO DEAN LOGAN DIDN’T COUNT IN NOVEMBER 2005 BECAUSE OF SIGNATURE PROBLEMS?
http://www.soundpolitics.com/M.....rt2005.pdf
2,491 absentee ballots were rejected because of signature mismatch. Another 167 absentee ballots were rejected because Dean Logan lost their voter registration applications and didn’t have any signature on file to compare with.
This is a lot higher rejection rate than November 2004, when only 995 absentee ballots in King County were rejected for either signature mismatch or Dean Logan misplacing their file signatures. And there were a lot fewer absentee votes cast this year than there were last year.
DEMOCRATS DON’T REALLY STAND FOR “COUNT EVERY VOTE”.
Democrats only care about counting every vote in two situations:
(1) If the election is close and the Democrat needs to catch up — such as the Gregoire/Rossi contest.
(2) If they can embarass the Republicans — such as trying to defeat Lori Sotelo’s registration challenges.
Willis @ 42
Click here, bro!
@ 42
Click on my name, I posted on that tonight!
@6
“since when is it considered ‘dirty tricks’ to make sure the law is followed?”
Who are you kidding, Ghost? If the law was followed, Sotelo would be wearing an orange KC Jail jumpsuit. She knows what she did. Why the hell do you think she repeatedly took the 5th Amendment in response to attorneys’ questions in the challenge hearings? She knows damn well she committed a serious crime.
I just can’t express how disappointed I am in Norm Maleng. I have voted for him for years and years, and now he’s proved that he’s nothing but another GOP party hack, the law be damned. His despicable act of providing cover for Sotelo will open the floodgates to massive Republican voter intimidation, suppression, and fraud in our state.
@8
Where you been, MTR? I thought you were sleeping with the fishes for welshing your $100 bet with Goldy. That’s mighty big talk in post #8 coming from a guy who doesn’t even pay his bets.
Hey Mark, Goldy’s a nice guy; don’t try that on the Mafia. We’d miss ya, you hare-brained trollfuck!
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Hey, MTR, I just paid you a compliment by suggesting you have the brains of a rabbit!
HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR
11
JCH, why do you want to kill Lori Sotelo? Why are Republicans so bloodthirsty? Isn’t 20 years in Purdy enough for you?
@32
“if one of Bush’s aids jaywalk they are all over it”
Just like a Repug to equate stealing millions with jaywalking. It’s not hard to figure out where the GOP Culture of Corruption came from. These people have no scruples, no conscience, no sense of proportion, no shame. Republicans are sewer slime.
These jerks are desperate and will be more so by the 06 cycle. Expect every trick in the book in their attempt to hold on. They learned in the Ohio 04 how effective the intimidation and suppression was. Lines 8 hours long in the inner city and 10 minute wait in Republican areas. The lower they sink the more dangerous and reckless they will become. And again they will focus on the citizens easiest intimidated. Very sad. Good work Goldy in exposing this now!
@36
“Too bad we can’t spit something on all the dead and illegal donks to make them go away. At least the GOP is doing the right thing by challenging suspect ballots. You donks are losing your edge!!!”
Republicans spit on live Vietnam veterans. http://www.horsesass.org/my-co.....ment-67837
42
Mark Sidran?
@45
So what do you stand for, Richard? Counting the votes of people whose signatures don’t match, or aren’t even registered? But only if they live in GOP precincts, we can assume.
@46
Jenny Durkan for prosecutor? Hmmm … I dunno. We want someone with extensive criminal law experience, I don’t think she’s done that.
At least the GOP is doing the right thing by challenging suspect ballots. You donks are losing your edge!!!
We are.
The democrats cannot simply sit back as they are doing and try to defend KC. That isn’t enough. Yes, they have to protect the votes there.
However, they need to work to clean the voting registrations of other counties. Otherwise, all of the pro-rossi counties are going to run as usual while KC is going to have to run on a parred down voting list.
In fact, many small towns have lots of people who get their mail by post office box and likely register there as well. The problems some KC voters have is going to be present elsewhere as well.
Belltowner @ 46
My understanding is that Jenny Durkan was one of a group of prominent Democrats that endorsed Norm Maleng for re-election in 1998 over the Democrat nominee Fred Canavor.
Wabbit @ 58
The “No Signature on File” voters ARE registered. Dean Logan, however, misplaced their registration forms, so their signature card is not on file. Therefore, their absentee ballots can never get counted. But these poor suckers get mailed absentee ballots for every election and have no idea that voting is a futile exercise. Dean Logan disenfranchised 167 of these folks in November 2005 through his negligence and arrogance.
It never ceases to amaze me how hard Republicans work against democracy in our own country while they send other people’s children to die for democracy in foreign lands! Hypocrites.
@62
Richard, are you sure that those 167 no signatures of file arn’t the 150 or so “Fatal Pends” that Stefan wrote his article in the Stranger about? I know that Dean Logan or a spokesman said that they had lost the signature of those voters, but isn’t that what a “Fatal Pend” is?
Dr. E,
“I know it’s a popular tactic among Repub. posters here to provide counterexamples of Dems doing ostensibly the same things as the Repubs, but that’s really little more than a straw man argument. Unless, of course, the point you’re trying to make (i.e. the “complete picture”) is that the American political process is pretty corrupt on the whole, which is another matter entirely.”
I just posted a few, do you want me to post more? That “straw man” you are talking about is a pretty healthy specimen too by the way. It’s about time that america discovers how the dems hide behind their famous rhetoric in order to maintain their corrupt voting habits and steal elections.
I guarantee to you that the communities in the examples I posted here do not view the incidents as nothing.
I’ve never seen a Diebold machine, but I wonder if spitting a mouthfull of Coca-Cola on it would destroy its usefulness and deprive the Reps of those last minute “surges”?
Comment by headless lucy — 12/1/05 @ 10:18 pm
[Yes, the machines are racist!! hehe. They are extremely racist when in Democrat controlled counties like King! We need “hand counts” by impartial Democrat county public employees!!, like Broward County in Florida or Joe Stalin!]
63.Roger, Did Democrats Wilson, Roosevelt, Truman, Kennedy, LBJ, or Clinton “send other people’s children to die for democracy in foreign lands.” Hmmmmmmmmmmm??? Democrats social idiots and parasites!!
CLEARWATER — By using photo and signature matches and online court records for the first time, Florida elections officials said Thursday they have come up with a more accurate system to target felons for removal from the state’s voter rolls. The state Division of Elections unveiled the new system here at a conference of county elections supervisors. [Why, This is racist, as the Democrats will loss thousands of felon votes!! No way Jesse Jackson and Roger Rabbit let this stand!!]
Democrats have given Saddam Hussein a shocking vote of confidence in the latest Fox News Opinion Dynamics survey, with a solid plurality saying the world would be better off if the Butcher of Baghdad was still in power.
Forty-one percent of Democrats gave Saddam a thumbs up, while just 34 percent said Iraq is better served with the murderous dictator gone, reports the New York Post. [Democrats: traitors to America]
Remember that outlandish story about the homeless guy they were letting sleep in the Post Office, who had his own key? It simply isn’t true, says the Post Office officials.
Re dwarf voting at mailboxes…
How about requiring all PO box people to vote at least 1x at a poll. That way we can see if they are a human, not some dwarf, corpse, ghost, etc.
What’s with all the, “Hee, Hee” business from the Reps. I don’t want to upset the PC, but it sure looks and sounds like small-penis sort of stuff.
Did you know that Porsche has a phsical requirement to buy their products. You need to have a penis that measures under 4 inches. Think about that next time you’re in Cal. and you go past the SLAUSEN CUTOFF!!!
Headless Lucy……..Lesbian “Hillary” Bitch?? No penis envy here!! [hehe]
12 million blacks in the US………16 million black Democrat votes!! No problem here!!! [hehe]
It is in the best interest of my Republican brothers and sisters to try and keep as many people as possible from voting.
One would like to believe that the amount of time and resources invested by the KCGOP on this nonsense could have been better spent trying to register more Republican voters and getting Dems to change over(hey, even in Seattle, it could happen).
What is most sad is the waste of time this will be. If a conservative 6th circuit court with 4 bush appointments threw out the chajenges in OHIO, what chance does Boss Vance and Stormin Normin have with the “Librul” 9th Circuit?
I strongly disagree with Democrats who say they won’t use any means necessary to win. Republicans are using any means, fair or foul, for them to win. And what is their grand purpose? To put more money in the pockets of those who have more than they or the next ten generations of money-grubbing miscreants can use. If you don’t counter their moves with something equally effective and equally deniable, then you have no right to complain that you are being screwed over.
If they are beating us with rigged machines, then smash the machines. Some may say: “Then we are just as bad as they.” I say we need to be not just as bad as they, but worse. It needs to be direct and to the point. We need to smash those machines. There is no other way.
“The only way to beat a knave is with more knavery.”
Niccolo Macchiavelli in, “The Prince”
Apache Fog…
Nice fantasy land, your right, you should go smash those election machines.
In fact, you should do it today.
Unfortunately that would take effort and that is where the demovcratic party fails, you are not willling to work for anything.
Here’s another election fraud case for you moonbats to contemplate. Anyone else beginning to notice a pattern with these cases? LOL
http://wowktv.com/story.cfm?fu.....oryid=6993
Lucy, Apache, and Dr E,
I don’t know which personality you are today, but you should know that all of those machines in King County called Accu-Vue, they are made by Diebold, which may mean diabotical. I think you should really go on a late night top secret stealth operation over at the KCRE warehouse and destroy all of them! At least then you will stop crying about someone trying to manipulate them…….
jaybo
“I just posted a few, do you want me to post more? That “straw man” you are talking about is a pretty healthy specimen too by the way. It’s about time that america discovers how the dems hide behind their famous rhetoric in order to maintain their corrupt voting habits and steal elections.”
It really doesn’t matter how many or few you post, if the only point you are trying to make is that there is corruption among Democrat ranks as well — that much is well known. As an argument it neither refutes nor argues the central point being made, which is that there is wide-scale corruption in the GOP. Now, if you’re willing to concede that point, and are putting forward evidence of Democratic corruption, then perhaps you’re making another argument entirely: that there is wide-scale corruption in the American political system. That’s what I’m trying to clear up.
Calling your argument a straw man does not deny the accuracy or seriousness of the evidence you’re bringing forward, by the way. If, however, you go through the archives of this blog, you’ll find page after page of essentially the same argument: “the Dems did it too” — again, the straw man, unless of course the implication is that somehow one wrong validates another, which also illogical.
Although I would agree that Americans need to awaken to the corruption present within their political system (which is at least half the argument you seem to be making), I think that the discourse on this matter needs to be prioritized: the GOP controls all three branches of government, has brooked little if any dissent in the past 5 years, is well on the way to bankrupting this country, started an illegal war on false premises, and has shown itself to behave, generally speaking, in grossly unethical ways. Since the GOP has so much power, it appears to me to be the cancer that has metastasized the worst and is therefore the first one that needs to be excised.
73
I’m neither Lucy nor Apache Fog. And I voted absentee.
@75
yeah right, Diabold makes the machines that counts absentees too!
I find it pathetic that you continue to try and argue this point.
You cannot register to vote from a PO Box, Ms. Sotelo was in her rights to file these challenges, and Logan in isnvoled with yet another voter fraud cover up.
The New Democratic Mantra….
“We will pull out all the stops to point out the sliver in the other party’s eye while we ignore the log in our own”.
76
So, what’s your point: that Diebold machines are good or bad?
78
“We will pull out all the stops to point out the sliver in the other party’s eye while we ignore the log in our own”.
This, of course, could also be the GOP’s current mantra.
@74,
The Dems control all three branches of government in Washington State, has brooked little if any dissent in the past 20 years, is well on the way to bankrupting this state, moonbats in Olympia have attacked the Port of Olympia destroying taxpayer owned property, because a military ship was in port, the moonbat controlled city council in Olympia passed an ordinance making Olympia a nuclear free zone and has shown itself to behave, generally speaking, in grossly unethical ways. The Democratic city council has ignored bums, drug addicts and crazed Evergreen College students while they tore up the city, had sex in the streets, mud wrestling in the streets, stopped all traffic in the city for hours, all in the name of May Day! Every day shop owners are picking up human feces and used needles outside of their stores in Olympia and then those brilliant dems on the council want to know why businesses are moving to Tumwater and Lacey. Since the Dems have so much power here in Washington State, it appears to me to be the cancer that has sold brains, used minor girls in lockup as sex toys to keep the males in lockup satisfied while guards look the other way, can’t count ballots from ordinary people, but allow the dead, the felons, and the unregistered people’s ballots to count, should be the first priority to be tossed out of power on right on their corrupt self-righteous butts.
@77
You know you’re right. Sims knows you’re right too, that why his press release says that he directed Dean Logan to personally contact all of those voters to get their correct mailing address. All of this hoopla was and is only about counting the ballots of voters who were not legally registered in this first place. Although, I still find it very ironic that the honest voters were the ones to have their ballots tossed.
Democrat Headless Lucy, Democrat “Tookie” Williams would like to have a few minutes of your time! [hehe]
Following up on his Wall Street Journal article Tuesday defending the Iraq war, Sen. Joseph Lieberman is reminding Bush administration critics that it’s wrong to claim that Saddam Hussein had no weapons of mass destruction when the U.S. attacked in 2003. {Er, Hillary…….Is he allowed to say this?? hehe]
You cannot register to vote from a PO Box, Ms. Sotelo was in her rights to file these challenges, and Logan in isnvoled with yet another voter fraud cover up.
More right-wing bullshit. The voter rolls were available for scrutiny weeks before they were “frozen”. The proper time for the R’s to point out irregularities was then and not just days before an election.
NO evidence of double voting or phantom voting has been found. (For which there are severe penalties, by the way.) When a person puts their true address on the registration form it becomes public record – just go over to soundpolitics.com and you can look up a voter’s address. This is stalker bait. Privacy concerns were probably a prime motivator behind PO Box registration.
Play nice wingnuts. If you’re civil and you drop your wingnuttery and reject the Rove playbook your candidates might win an election or two.
Jaybo, DOOFUS, Puddy “Freep” Koresh, etc.: members of the cult of the straw man.
JCH @ 12
Oops, looks like your Klan robes are showing.
Fucking racist piece of shit – go burn a cross or something.
Clueless-82 ‘Privacy concerns were probably a prime motivator behind PO Box registration.’
And that makes breaking the law OK? There is a LEGAL way to keep the address confidential.
‘NO evidence of double voting or phantom voting has been found.’
No reasonable person could ever determine if the subject voters are real, or if they are regisetered multiple times using different names and PO Boxes.
For the Clueless, you are probably correct with the Rock Stars, if you read SP, then you probably know that Chris Cornell also is registered illegally. How many people who are cheating have PO Boxes? How many snow birds or X residents maintain a PO Box. You can keep a PO Box for years while living in another state, all you need is a forwarding mail request and a check every year.
@84
ya know the worst part? He obviously thinks his race-baiting jokes are really funny for making people mad.
Here’s a hint for JCH: Just because you think you’re pretending to be racist doesnt’ mean you aren’t, in fact, racist.
Alot of this thread, by the way is “How to argue like a conservative #4: Be deliberately dense”
RUFUS
Don’t you love the drivel these donks spew. You never heard from them when the “criminal & Chief” (Clinton) was in power, but if one of Bush’s aids jaywalk they are all over it.
That’s a good one. HOUSE MAJORITY LEADER DeLay illegally funnels money to Texas candidtes to increase GOP power in the House–that’s “jaywalking” (we haven’t even gotten to the redistricting issues yet: violating the Civil Rights Act and using Department of Homeland Security assets for political stunts)
Oh, and HOUSE MAJORITY LEADER DeLay accepts Abramoff bribes before shepherding through legislation for the bribers…hmmm
Jack Abramoff (bank fraud) the bagman bribing Congressmen–wait ’til he flips for Fitzgerald: Ney and several other GOP senators will go down and who knows who else (Pretty sure DeLay goes down with them too)?
SENATE MAJORITY LEADER Frist and his lying (“to the American people”–isn’t that supposed to be bad?) and insider trading. He might beat this rap.
Cunningham pled guilty to taking bribes–wait ’til his co-conspirators get done singing about who else they put the touch on…there’s also a DoD scandal in the making here
Rep. John Doolittle took hundreds of thousands from Abramoff and his gang to block casino competition for Abramoff’s indian tribe clients
Abramoff’s buddy Michael Scanlon pled guilty to conspiracy to commit bribery and is “cooperating” with prosecutors–the indictments of the bribed (Reps and Senators) are coming…
Seems like an awful lot of Republicans like to cross against the light.
Name a current Democrat.
JCH @ 12
Oops, looks like your Klan robes are showing.
Fucking racist piece of shit – go burn a cross or something.
Comment by Mr. X — 12/2/05 @ 10:54 am {Mr. X, “Tookie” would like to meet Mrs. X to give her the “love” she needs!!!! [hehe]
Did you know that Porsche has a phsical requirement to buy their products. You need to have a penis that measures under 4 inches. Think about that next time you’re in Cal. and you go past the SLAUSEN CUTOFF!!! -Comment by headless lucy— 12/2/05 @ 8:12 am
Quite revealing there, wrestler diddler.
Now we all know the diddler has BOTH penis AND Porsche envy.
I’ll tell you what diddler, next time you see a bright red ’86 911SC Targa blow by you as you putz along in your little Prius, give a little wave – it will be either me or my spouse… or both!…. although, you’ll have to wait till spring, it’s a Concours and we only take it out in dry weather.
Sgmmac, yeaWrong:
Tell you what guys, post your real names and the city you live and I’ll look you up at soundpolitics.com on the old minnow’s database. Deal? I’ll promise to use that information only to send you some Fisher-Price doll sales literature.
You can keep a PO Box for years while living in another state, all you need is a forwarding mail request and a check every year.
No reasonable person could ever determine if the subject voters are real, or if they are regisetered multiple times using different names and PO Boxes.
Wow, I guess all this chicanery explains why Sotelo was so heavily interested in areas of Dem-concentration. After all, Jim Miller the DVF guru says Dems do it more.
What’s that? More? Does that mean Republicans do it as well?
Play nice wingnuts. File your objections in the weeks before the voter list is frozen.
@98
A Republican pac was caught in Las Vegas throwing away registration cards for Democrats, I guess they figured why not, since they couldn’t turn them in and get paid, so yes, I’ve said it before, Both parties do chicanery as you call it, I call it illegal, immoral and unfair. I like fair.
Jerkoff Creepy Hater @ 74
I rarely bother to read, much less respond, to JCH’s ravings but this one so clearly illustrates how he makes stuff up that I can’t resist calling him on his bullshit:
“12 million blacks in the US………16 million black Democrat votes!! No problem here!!! [hehe]”
Now for the facts:
“According to 2003 U.S. Census figures, some 37.1 million African Americans live in the United States, comprising 12.9 percent of the total population.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A.....mographics
Reply to 79
“you should know that all of those machines in King County called Accu-Vue, they are made by Diebold, which may mean diabotical”
You may be onto something there, Mac.
“The Diebold optical scan system uses a dangerous programming
methodology, with an executable program living inside the electronic ballot box. … The Black Box Voting team proved that the Diebold optical scan program, housed on a chip inside the voting machine, places a call to a program living in the removable memory card during the election. The demonstration also showed that the executable program on the memory card
(ballot box) can easily be changed, and that checks and balances,
required by FEC standards to catch unauthorized changes, were not
implemented by Diebold — yet the system was certified anyway.
The Diebold system in Leon County, Florida succumbed to multiple
attacks.”
http://www.bushstole04.com/opt.....ked_in.htm
My understanding is King County uses the same equipment as Leon County.
@ 99
A Republican pac was caught in Las Vegas throwing away registration cards for Democrats,
You hear that jaybo? Is that fair and balanced enough for you?
I like fair.
Who doesn’t?
@101
Our newspaper down here had a link to a webpage on manipulating the boxes, because we just went to the optical scan balloting system down here in Thurston County. The 06 elections may be a total riot, with all parties going crazy on each other and attacking all of the auditors too!
#91
I forgot Eddie Vedder, he uses a box too!
I see the “loonie left” (watch out for black helicopter people) are trying to convince the feeble minded that there is a conspiracy to subvert voting machines again.
Coorect me if I’m wrong here but aren’t most of the computer geeks out there liberals? And if this is true, why would they help out the republicans again?
@105
I was just trying to convince headless lucy that he should go on a late night mission and take out all of the voting machines in KCRE. He wants a plan for 06 to take them out and wonders if he spits coke on them will they crash! He claims to have never seen a “Diebold” machine, so I told him that all of the Accu-Vue machines in KCRE are indeed those diabolitcal Diebold machines.
sgmmac: There are no voting machines used in King county. Ask Stefan, you idiot!
@107
Lucy, whatever kind of drugs you are smoking, you should be ashamed of yourself for not offering to share! You do really believe that King County hand counts over a million ballots several times during each election? The Accu-Vue machines that you put your little optical scan ballot into are processed in a Diabold machine. When you send in an absentee ballot, the workers put your little optical scan ballot into a Diabold machine to count it.
Get a grip on reality, Lucy!
Headless Lucy: I think you need a little Democrat “love” from “Tookie” Williams. The two of you can be the next Bill and Hillary!!!
Roger Rabbit: Shut up and get my French Fries!!! [and salute, too! JCH, O-4, USN, 76-85]
Lucy, I bet “Tookie” has an 8 inch “surprise” for you!!!
Democrat Lucy, democrat “Tookie” Williams has a little time to “woo” you this week. Maybe a little Democrat Headless “Tookie” in your future??
Democrat Lucy, Cum see me soon!!, Love, Democrat “Tookie” Williams
sgmmac: The Diebold touchscreen machines are not used in King county.
Yeah sgmmac, everyone knows that King County uses Lie-bold voting machines. Geeesh – What is the matter with you.
@110, Rufus,
I truly must be stuck on stupid to attempt communication with Lucy. First he says, he wants to spit coke on Diebold machines, then he says he wants a plan for 06 to take out all of the machines so that Republicans can’t steal the election again, so I told him to go on a late night mission at KCRE’s warehouse and take them all out, because those Accu-Vue machines in King County are made by Diebold, now he says King County doesn’t have touchscreens…….. go figure…. should I try to tell him that optical scan ballots and touchscreens are two different voting systems????? Nahhhhhhhhhh
Clueless,
You response to me would have a more credibility if you included the link. That way people know you aren’t just making it up.
re 111: That was my point Ms. Thick-as a-Brick…
Democrat Headless Lucy: Do you think “Tookie” votes like you do?? I do!!
120……Headless, ???? Let me hear you with “Tookie” getting what you want!!! [Democrats in love!!]