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I don’t. I mean. What?

Obviously, we’re not going to just ship Seattle’s homeless to, like, some island. I’m not sure there are any around that would really fit the bill. The San Juans? Blake Island? Can Seattle just acquire an island? Would we build an artificial island in the Sound just for that like in China or Dubai? All the time and effort to build housing, sewage, roads, transit, etc. to the island could be better used if you want to help Seattle’s homeless. Or just Seattle in general.

Also, it’s fucking cruel. If homeless people want to live on an island, they can right now. But to separate them from community and family because, reasons, doesn’t seem like it will help anyone.

I know this is one person who I hadn’t heard of before, and their idea is being soundly rejected. But on the other hand, they do hold leadership in the county Democrats.

Comments

  1. 1

    I guess that’s what you get when you turn to an alt-Left gamer for solutions to complex social and economic problems IRL. The generalized influence of “new media” entrepreneurs on the Democratic party has real potential downsides. There really is such a thing as objective reality that exists outside any “curated” reality. And many of the challenging tasks presented to us by that objective reality are simply not amenable to the kinds of solutions brought readily to hand by “new media” “tech.
    This is a pretty good example of how the decline of organized labor on the left and the gradual shift of some parts of the working class to the right deprives Democrats of those important perspectives. For all his flaws, it pretty hard to imagine someone like Dave Beck proposing such an idea for people who have nowhere else to sleep.

  3. 3

    A lot of people, including myself, warned that developers would devastate our communities and cause rampant homelessness. But the city council rolled over again and again. And all this “affordable” housing that was a condition of these concessions never materialized. Big surprise. Now the time has come for some retribution! Taxes on empty spaces! Big and heavy taxes. No bullshit. That will help. But don’t expect anything because they’re all cowards. More concerned for their own political careers.

  4. 4

    I’m okay with sending Republicans to an island and letting them have their own government there. Sure, I admit that making them live with other Republicans under a Republican government is cruel, but they’ve got it coming.

  5. 5

    Nothing too outrageous about this sort of suggestion. Rudolph Guiliani made 4000 NYC homeless disappear without a trace during his tenure as Mayor.

  7. 7

    But the city council rolled over again and again.

    DUMMOCRETINS screwing over DUMMOCRETINS! You get what you vote for!

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

  9. 9

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA……

    Suckers.

    You Christians are so gullible. I’m glad I have a sense of ethics. I could get so fucking rich off’a you dumbasses that I could buy my own island. I just can’t bring myself to spew the bullshit that Ken Hamm and Pat Robertson have done so well for so long. It just isn’t in me to be that level of slime.

  10. 10

    @ 9

    I’m glad I have a sense of ethics.

    I wish you had a sense of employment.

    I could get so fucking rich off’a you dumbasses that I could buy my own island.

    You make an excellent argument for finite unemployment benefits.

  11. 11

    @9 Now, now, that boat will come in handy when the tundra melts and releases all its methane into the atmosphere. Until then, don’t light matches in the arctic.

  12. 12

    @10 “I wish you had a sense of employment.”

    Why? What’s so great about work? Capitalists don’t work, so why should workers work? I don’t do a lick of work. I sit on my fat rabbit ass doing nothing all day. I get paid a lot, too. Sure beats working for the wages you want people to work for.

  13. 13

    @9 why is the parking lot so far from the ark? Were they afraid all of the car fumes would kill all of the animals?

  15. 15

    The wall is still going to be built and Mexico will pay for it? Really? Wasn’t the Oregon moron making stupid commentary recently?

  16. 16

    @ The Schitz @ 15:

    You were saying?

    Tell you what. Say The Trumph becomes President. Starts deporting anyone with brown skin, citizen or otherwise, including people who look Brazilian or Haitian. You know what I would do if I was the President of Mexico?

    Close the northern border. Completely. Then embargo all petroleum exports to North America, including Canada. Convince Venezuela, Brazil and Columbia to play along, which shouldn’t be too hard.

    Then you’ll see who squeals.

  17. 17

    @ 16

    You know what I would do if I was the President of Mexico?

    You’d work for a living.

    Won’t happen.

  18. 18

    @ 16

    You would think that a guy who has spent most of his adult life unemployed would have the time to read up on the United States’ energy independence.

    http://www.politico.com/magazi.....ter-108707

    Since 2011 the US has been a net oil exporter. All the fracking and other lower-margin operations that are currently somewhat dormant would open the taps again.

    Why would you want to hurt brown people by not permitting them to earn a living trading oil with the US, Willy? Is it because they have been taking your job for the past 30 years?

    Although you’re right about Venezuela. They would have little trouble playing along, as their production has fallen so precipitously of late.

  20. 20

    Since 2011 the US has been a net oil exporter.

    Hmmm. Doesn’t look that way here:

    https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=pet&s=mcrimus1&f=a

    In 2015 this country imported 7,350,536 barrels per day. Definitely less than previous years but far from self-sufficient. The U.S. only started exporting oil again legally just this past January. 15 million barrels in a month?

    This country needs 19 million barrels a day of crude equivalent to supply its needs for all products derived from petroleum.

    Oh lookee here:

    As of March 25, the four-week average of imports was running at 7.9 million barrels a day, 9.8 percent higher than the year before. “That’s not a one-week blip,” says Tim Evans, an energy analyst at Citi Futures. “We’re seeing a consistent pattern.”

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/.....rter-again

    Ho hum.

  22. 22

    Notice how quite the War on the Gays has become.

    But should Republucans and Drumof win in November, it will come back alive before any other priority – there will be American Conservatice Sharia Law for everyone.

  23. 23

    @ 20

    You’re using factual information. With a Conservative.

    Don’t waste your efforts, facts are irrelevant to a such conversation when they conflict with their opinions. The basic Conservative creedo is: When Facts and Opinion collide, dismiss the facts.

    Conservatives don’t win arguments when they are confronted with factual information, they win when the person arguing with them gives up in frustration at their fatuousness. They then can count it as a legitimate victory. They don’t win by convincing anyone of anything, they win when they reach the point where they can justify forcing the opposition to shut up, even if they have to use the power of the State to do so. When they gain access to that power, they always use it.

    This is why they’re so enamored of Donald Trump. He’s going around telling Police Departments everywhere that he will unleash them from ethical boundaries and indemnify them from any legal responsibility for their actions. Cops just love Trump.

    Law Enforcement hates being told NO about anything. Now that we’re approaching the 100th anniversary of the death of the Fourth Amendment, the Conservatives are stepping up their game. As President, he will allow Police to run wild.

    That is a Conservative’s paradise.

  25. 25

    @15,
    Oh yes! For Cheeto Jesus to so skillfully paint himself back into his sub-200 electoral vote corner is an unassailable victory for Republicans! Well played, sir. Well played.
    Nobody puts Donny in the corner. Except Donny!
    LET REPUBLICANS BE REPUBLICANS!

  26. 26

    “We will turn off the jobs and benefits magnet.”
    Unless she’s a hot piece of asssss! Yeah! Right Bob?
    Republicans sure know how to get ’em dropping their panties!

  29. 29

    @ 20, 23

    The US imports a lot of vehicles, too. Anyone think that if we lost access to Hondas, Toyotas, and BMWs that we couldn’t make our own?

    Oh. I forgot. We already do.

    We import oil because sometimes it’s cheaper to do so than to drill in locations such as oil sands or by using fracking. We have contracts to import, well into the future. We import because we’re contracted to do so, even if it happens not to be cheaper during some periods. Periodically, some countries produce oil and sell it for less than their production costs. Sometimes it’s to maintain market share, sometimes to fulfill contractual obligations. Business works that way on occasion.

    You’re looking at production numbers. What you should be looking at is capacity to produce. We lose outside access, price of oil goes up, and we begin to re-open dormant fields, and we haul mothballed rigs back into the Gulf. We bring more back from Alaska. That pipeline connecting Canada to the US might get another look.

    Oh, and pressure increases to Drill Here, Drill Now. If gas is at $5-6/gallon, that pressure would be more effective than now, when it’s at $2.50 or so.

    Meanwhile, as we’re ramping up, we have the Strategic Petroleum Reserve to draw from. It’s why it’s there, peeps.

    That embargo in the 70s? We learned a few things from it.

    One more thing: All that alternative energy you libbies are pushing, for when peak oil is over and we’re on the downside of production capacity? You’ll have your chance to show us your stuff, and we can see how little we really need fossil fuels.

    In summary, what ‘froggy wants:

    – higher energy prices for struggling consumers, across the board
    – more fracking
    – more oil sands production
    – more offshore drilling in places like the Gulf and Alaska
    – greater political pressure for pipelines
    – greater political pressure for more leases to be granted off coasts of places like CA and VA
    – not-ready-for-prime-time alternative energy to be exposed for the incredibly expensive and inefficient fraud that it is
    – coal becomes more popular as an energy source if oil is limited
    – nuclear power, ditto

    See, ‘froggy, this is why no one wants to hire you.

  32. 32

    “In summary, what ‘froggy wants:”

    Fer fuck’s sake, Boob. It’s Your lil’ buddy and Cheeto Jesus who want to launch trade wars with our major trading partners. Pay attention!

  35. 35

    @ 30, 31

    Speaking of softening…

    NYT continues to soften the beach in front of a Crooked Hillary Clinton document dump from Wikileaks:

    How Russia Often Benefits
    When Julian Assange
    Reveals the West’s Secrets

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09.....&_r=0

    Ya know, NYT forgot to include how Russia benefits when Crooked Hillary Clinton discloses state secrets by using her own personal server in the first place. After all, had she handled classified information in an honest manner in the first place, there wouldn’t have been anything for Russia to find on her personal electronic equipment, would there? Ergo, nothing for Wikileaks to disclose.

    I’m sure that will be remedied in an update by The Gray Lady.

  36. 36

    (((Goldy))) @GoldyHA
    Had there been a skill test for immigrants in early 20th century, my entire family would have been exterminated by the Nazis.

    Instead, apparently your ancestors passed a shill test, and you’ve inherited.

  37. 37

    “…there wouldn’t have been anything for Russia to find on her personal electronic equipment…”

    Jesus, Boob. Now you sound more unhinged than that lying racist Fuckwad troll. I didn’t think it was possible, but you’ve just sunk even lower.
    Nobody has to deal in falsehoods about Cheeto Jesus. It simply isn’t necessary. The truth is awful enough. It certainly doesn’t surprise anyone on the left that you and Matt Drudge would deal in outright bullshit. But haven’t you figured it out yet? The reason the tent keeps getting smaller, the reason the “conservative” faux reality Republican bubble is shrinking and you find yourself struggling on the even horizon is precisely because of just this kind of lying bullshit. If you give in to the gravity well of lies you’ll never be allowed to stop. You’ll never, ever be allowed to define a moral limit or any ethical boundary you won’t cross. The very instant you do you’ll find yourself strapped to a chair in room 101 with O’brien and his rats.

  38. 38

    “double post trib to that Fuckwad”

    The greatest ever computer expert got his ass kicked by Chrome. Too funny!

  40. 40

    @29 blah, blah, blah

    The U.S. is NOT a net EXPORTER of oil, period.

    Not since 2011, not in recent memory.

    Compare U.S imports of crude oil in 2012

    https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2243rank.html

    to exports in 2012 (yes boob it was legal to export oil to Canada and maybe a few other places in 2012 for various reasons).

    https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2242rank.html

    Not even close.

  43. 43

    Wow… This is from Politico. http://www.politico.com/story/.....neo-227613

    Bill Clinton aides used tax dollars to subsidize foundation, private email support

    This investigation, which is based on records obtained from the General Services Administration through the Freedom of Information Act, does not reveal anything illegal. But it does offer fresh evidence of how the Clintons blurred the line between their nonprofit foundation, Hillary Clinton’s State Department, and the business dealings of Bill Clinton and the couple’s aides.

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