The Seattle chapter of Drinking Liberally meets tonight (and every Tuesday), 8PM at the Montlake Ale House, 2307 24th Avenue E.
In honor of tonight’s one-year anniversary of the Seattle chapter, and as a tribute to the NSA’s monitoring of our phone calls, emails and blogs, our fearless leader Nick has declared this “Tin Foil Hat Night.” The first beer is free for anyone who shows up wearing a tinfoil hat. That’s great news for me, considering I rarely leave the lead-lined safe room in my basement without one.
Wish I could be there, Goldy. But I live on the increasingly liberal east King Co. and always have to work the next morning.
Some day soon!
But cheers to all from Donnageddon!
Donna – Any luck?
MTVIR “any luck?”
in getting your explanation for your claimed corelation between a vagina and stoopidity?
Not yet. I geuss you are just a misogynist asshole with out a clue.
Good luck with that tin foil hat thing. The listeners to KVI have made a run on tin foil since 2000 and it’s in short supply.
Ms. Chickenhawke (aka Mr. Cynical) has all the windows in his mother’s basement covered with tin foil.
He says he has several reasons for it:
A) It keeps the aliens away.
B) Faux News comes in better.
C) Nobody can see him when he masturbates to Scooter Libby’s book about 10 year old girls getting r-a-p-e-d by a bear. Then, he reads O’Reilly’s book about teenage girls hooked on crack cocaine being forced to perform o-r-a-l s-e-x on a drug dealer. When he’s done he rubs a falafel all over his body and pretends it’s Bill O’Reilly m-o-l-e-s-t-i-n-g him.
What a wierdo.
Roger Rabbit rarely appears at DL due to traffic problems caused by the crush of admiring fans, papparazzi, process servers, and GOP hit men.
Happy Kwaanza to all the New Orleans blacks who get to drink with Goldensteinburgthal. [How many would that be, Goldy??? hehe]
Do you remember when Hillary had her “Listening tour?” Now Bush has decided why tour when he can just listen to everything you say.
Tin Foil Hat Night???
Sounds kind of similiar to what George Castanza’s family worshipped in the episode when they celebrated FESTIVUS!!
This isn’t some kind of New Age Progressive Religous outing tonight….is it?
Roger Rabbit-5 ‘..GOP hit men.’
You have nothing to worry about wabbit. The repubs support having you and the rest of the HA “team” out there. Keep up the good work!
Crud, I can’t make it tonight. Will be there next week.
I’m tired of the nepotism in the Post Office. Everytime I go into the place I have to wait in a long line, and all this waiting is due to this family that works there.
It seems like they’re never at their stations, but their name plates are still up. They all have the same last name – “Please.” And they all have the same first and middle names, “Next” and “Window,” respectively.
What’s really irritating is that I can hear the members of the Please Family “smoking and joking” in the backroom areas of the Post Office, and this is while a bunch of folks are standing in line waiting to do business.
It would seem to me this nepotism shouldn’t stand. Why should the Please Family get government jobs and then not do the work they were hired for? So, the next time you see one of the Please Family in the Post Office, remind them that we know what they’re up to and they should all get to work!
NEW TO THE MARKET AND JUST IN TIME FOR CHRISTMAS DEMOCRATIC DOLL YOU JUST WIND IT UP AND IT THROWS IN THE TOWEL
How many Jewish blacks who celebrate Kwaanza will be drinking with Goldy? These are the core of New York as well as the Democrat Party!
NEW YORK – Approximately 70 percent of Jews in the United States oppose the war in Iraq, compared to 28 percent who support the war, according to a poll conducted by the American Jewish Committee. The poll indicates that 60 percent of U.S. Jews do not agree with the manner in which the U.S. government is conducting the war on terror. [Maybe we should let the terrorists kick the Hell out of Isreal for a few months, and then ask the American Democrat POS Jews what they think??]
If it is tinfoil hat day, will all of the minnow’s lackey’s show up, or are they too afraid to leave their rooms after night without their mom’s permission?
NEW TO MARKET: Republican nativity scene: Standard nativity scene, except 3 wise men are clean shaven white guys in robes, and instead of a donkey, it comes with a yellow elephant.
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You mean 3 naked white guys
You libbies going to discuss destroying Iran?
Serious question; should we blow them up before they destroy Israel and a good share of the world’s jews?
LIAR! LIAR! PANTS ON FIRE!
NBC News ran a delightful tape tonight of a March 2004 interview with Bush. The journalist asked Bush about wiretaps, and Bush responded, “You need a court order to wiretap.”
In other news …
Victoria Osteen, wife of the pastor of the U.S.’s largest megachurch, was kicked off a Continental Airlines plane for disruptive behavior.
Seattle’s Discovery Institute flung the epithet “activist judge” at U.S. District Court Judge John Jones, a church-going Republican, for calling Intelligent Design a mask for creationism.
In Tacoma, a naked woman driver rammed a police car.
Auditors on Guam have discovered that indicted GOP Jack Abramoff was paid $325,000 from the Guam Superior Court’s Judicial Building Fund.
In Los Angeles, the 1,500-seat Bethel AME Church was jammed to the rafters with gang bangers and other mourners for the funeral of the late Stanley “Tookie” Williams. Immediately following the service, shots were fired outside.
RR, see my post 167 at the “Moveon targets Reichert…” thread for the proof that Bush is a complete liar.
As a teacher, Ms. Jones, was very curious about how each of her students celebrated Christmas. She called on young Patrick Murphy. “Tell me Patrick what do you do at Christmas time?” she asked.
Patrick addressed the class, “Well Ms. Jones, me and my twelve brothers and sisters go to the midnight Mass and we sing hymns, then we come home very late and we put mince pies by the back door and hang up our stockings. Then all excited we go to bed and wait for Father Christmas to come with all our toys.”
“Very nice Patrick,” she said. “Now Jimmy Brown what do you do at Christmas?”
“Well, Ms. Jones, me and my sister also go to Church with Mum and Dad and we sing carols and we get home ever so late. We put cookies and milk by the chimney and we hang up our stockings. We hardly sleep, waiting ! for Santa Claus to bring our presents.”
Realizing there was a Jewish boy in the class and not wanting to leave him out of the discussion, she asked, “Now, Isaac Cohen, what do you do at Christmas?”
Isaac said, “Well, it’s the same thing every year. Dad comes home from the office. We all pile into the Rolls Royce, then we drive to his toy factory. When we get inside, we look at all the empty shelves and begin to sing “What a friend we have in Jesus”. Then we all go to the Bahamas.
Serious question; should we blow them up before they destroy Israel and a good share of the world’s jews?
Comment by righton— 12/20/05 @ 6:36 pm
Yeah, sure rightoff. All my redneck acquaintences use the term “jew me down” with total unselfconsciousness. All those evangelicals believe all those “stiff-necked” jews will go to hell (ask them), but they do have a minor bit part in the “end times” saga scheduled to TAKE PLACE ANY DAY NOW. But let’s see what you hypocrites say when arabs are a majority in Israel.
It’s not about anti-semitism. It’s about policy. But you wouldn’t know. You’re too busy keeping those “semetic types” out of your country club.
Roger Rabbit-19
What part of “secret” or “covert” are you having trouble understanding?
Hey Donna – Did you talk to any of those “low level” people in your office today to find out what they do?
Every office has a jerk manager like you. You don’t understand even the most basic things that go on. Let me guess… you’re a “Process and People Person” right?
Hey MTR, why do vaginas make women stoopid? You strike me as a real People Person too!
What a fucking Moron you are MTR, what a stooge!
What part of
Do YOU not understand?
uh… ’cause they’re the only ones who have ’em?
@ 27 is meant for yearight.
MTR would have a hard time even understanding “My Pet Goat”.
Bravo MTVIR!!! Bravo! You are indeed a people person!
Donnageddon-27
The FISA process is very slow due to high usage. Remember the 9/11 commission? They reported as follows:
“Many agents in the field told us that although there is now less hesitancy in seeking approval for electronic surveillance under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, or FISA, the application process nonetheless continues to be long and slow. Requests for such approvals are overwhelming the ability of the system to process them and to conduct the surveillance. The Department of Justice and FBI are attempting to address bottlenecks in the process.”
Also, please save some ignorant venom for a couple of your gods – Clinton went for searches with no warrant, and Carter went for wire taps.
http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/eo/eo-12949.htm
http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/eo12139.htm
‘Do YOU not understand?’
I understand perfectly. You want the terrorists to win. And you must not like the GW poll numbers lately. I think he just passed up or own queen Gregoire.
President’s Remarks at Ask President Bush Event 2004:
President 2004: “Let me — that’s a great question. A couple of things that are very important for you to understand about the Patriot Act. First of all, any action that takes place by law enforcement requires a court order. In other words, the government can’t move on wiretaps or roving wiretaps without getting a court order.”
President’s Remarks at Ask President Bush Event 2004:
# 19 Is this what you were referring to RR?
Didn’t Clinton steal FBI files. God these donk are such hypocrits!!!! ah it great humor to hear their complaints though.
Newsweek on Bush Snoopgate: “What is especially perplexing about this story is that the 1978 law set up a special court to approve eavesdropping in hours, even minutes, if necessary. In fact, the law allows the government to eavesdrop on its own, then retroactively justify it to the court, essentially obtaining a warrant after the fact. Since 1979, the FISA court has approved tens of thousands of eavesdropping requests and rejected only four. There was no indication the existing system was slow—as the president seemed to claim in his press conference—or in any way required extra-constitutional action.
This will all play out eventually in congressional committees and in the United States Supreme Court. If the Democrats regain control of Congress, there may even be articles of impeachment introduced. Similar abuse of power was part of the impeachment charge brought against Richard Nixon in 1974.”
The delerious moonbats who squat in this cesspool and wallow in their envy and hate would be the first to screech at the top of their “progressive” lungs if there was another attack that could have been prevented by connecting the dots. So you can’t really take any of this stuff too seriously. Fortunately, the adults are in charge and will be for a looooooooong time.
I just got done watching the original movie “A Christmas Carol” on AMC. It was fabulous, as always. I can never get enough of Tiny Tim saying “God Bless us, every one!”
I noticed that the “politcally-correct” version is on the Dems website…
The call it Charles Dicken’s “A HOLIDAY Carol”!
Oh and it’s not Tiny Tim…oh no!!!
The KLOWNS call him “Vertically-Challenged Tim”!
And Vertically Challenged Tim cannot say “God Bless”….oh no…..
He says “Mythically Higher Power Bless Us, Every One”!!!!!
Merry Christmas!!!
And to the less than 3% of AmeriKans offfended by Merry Christmas, Mr. Cynical sez:
MERRY CHRISTMAS ANYWAY!!!
yeaWrong @ 31
Again getting garbage from Drudge. Debunked.
yeaWrong @ 31
Bush lied.
yeaWrong @ 31
Impeach the SOB!
proud at 23
You cannot read; the question was, “should we nail Iran before they nuke Israel”….end of question (its not a loaded question about anti semitism, its a question about not letting Hitler’s ilk (iran) from nuking a neighbor
yeawrong @24
What part of “illegal” or “unconstitutional” are you having trouble understanding?
24 (continued)
Oh, one more thing — Bush was LYING when he told the American people that his administration was getting court orders for wiretaps.
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“You want the terrorists to win.”
No, we want the LAW and the CONSTITUTION respected so our government doesn’t turn into an OUT-OF-CONTROL DICTATORSHIP, you fucking fool!
33
“Didn’t Clinton steal FBI files.”
No.
Clueless-37
Debunked-NOT! A lefty rag that points out what? Nothing new. Look at who can do the certification.
Ditz.
35
“The delerious moonbats who squat in this cesspool and wallow in their envy and hate would be the first to screech at the top of their ‘progressive’ lungs if there was another attack that could have been prevented by connecting the dots.”
Like you guys did on your watch?
Roger Rabbit-43
Keep saying it over and over and maybe it will come true. You really must get past your problem with GW actually doing something to protect the US. Wait until a dem is in the WH to hug your favorite terrorists. And if the US is still in Iraq when the dems take over, then feel free to surrender.
Wimp.
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“A lefty rag that points out” what Clinton actually signed. The document is THERE, on record, published, verifiable history, trollfuck idiot! Who cares if it’s posted by a lefty rag or a graffiti tagger? The executive order says what it says, dolt! Drudge lied. Time for you to move on to something else where you have a chance to make an argument.
Drudge of the “Kerry intern affairs” bullshit.
Drudge credibility = 0.00
Roger Rabbit-42 ‘Oh, one more thing – Bush was LYING when he told the American people that his administration was getting court orders for wiretaps.’
Would you lie to save the lives of US citizens? I didn’t think so. You already think he lies about everything anyway. At least GW lies for a reason, and the reason is to protect even the lefty hug-a-terrorist wimps. (You are safe.)
Roger Rabbit-48 ‘Drudge lied.’
Drudge linked to the real EOs.
http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/eo/eo-12949.htm
http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/eo12139.htm
Wabbit lied, except when he lies no one gets their life saved. In fact, only the terrorists gain when wabbit lies.
Roger Rabbit credibility = -2.37
And the terrorists love it!
Hey that tinfoil wrapped over my ears worked great! As an antenna, that is! When I was leaving DL tonight, I put my ears back on and overheard the FBI guys on their walkie-talkies:
“Here he comes! Here he comes! The rabbit! The rabbit!”
Moments later, a large black car with heavily tinted windows and no license plates roared around the corner. That sucker was coming straight at me!! So I just lined myself up with a utility pole, waited til the last second, then with one spring of my powerful hind feet hopped out of the way. It was dark, raining, the street was slickery. WHAMMMM!!!! What a God-awful mess! Radiator and tranny fluid all over the sidewalk. The whole Montlake neighborhood plunged into darkness. Sirens … fire trucks … police cars … and the funniest goddam thing was, as I hopped away, I overheard the FBI slugs on my tinfoil yelling at each other:
“There he goes! The rabbit! He’s getting away!”
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yeaWrongAsUsual @ 45
(a) Presidential authorization
(1) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, the President, acting through the Attorney General, may authorize physical searches without a court order under this subchapter to acquire foreign intelligence information for periods of up to one year if—
(A) the Attorney General certifies in writing under oath that—
(i) the physical search is solely directed at premises, information, material, or property used exclusively by, or under the open and exclusive control of, a foreign power or powers (as defined in section 1801 (a)(1), (2), or (3) of this title);
(ii) there is no substantial likelihood that the physical search will involve the premises, information, material, or property of a United States person; and
(iii) the proposed minimization procedures with respect to such physical search meet the definition of minimization procedures under paragraphs (1) through (4) [1] of section 1821 (4) of this title; and
(B) the Attorney General reports such minimization procedures and any changes thereto to the Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence of the House of Representatives and the Select Committee on Intelligence of the Senate at least 30 days before their effective date, unless the Attorney General determines that immediate action is required and notifies the committees immediately of such minimization procedures and the reason for their becoming effective immediately.
There is a chain of accountability in this statute – something your favorite President does everything he can to avoid.
Roger Rabbit-54, as in Car 54.
Get over yourself. The repubs want, in fact need you folks to keep blabbing. Nothing converts more Americans to the right than lefties saying what they really think. Or, at least try to think.
Please, please, please keep up the good work.
CluelessAsARule-56
You are lost. Drudge links to the actual documents, which show that Clinton and Carter desired and probably used the same thing GW has. The only difference is that your gods did it when the US was not under attack. And Clinton obviously did not use it because he was busy with Monica while bin Laden was killing Americans.
Sorry your gods are false.
Have you hugged a terrorist today?
yeaWrongAsUsual @ 56
Better call the Moonie Times your favorite newspaper. Bruce Fein believes your favorite pilot who missed a chance to serve his country in Vietnam has commited an impeachable offense.
Wabbitt & Friends,
You also as upset about Clinton’s Executive Order 12949 Feb 13th 1995 which read:
[Federal Register page and date: 60 FR 8169; February 13, 1995]
THE WHITE HOUSE
Office of the Press Secretary
________________________________________________________________________
For Immediate Release February 9, 1995
EXECUTIVE ORDER 12949
– – – – – – –
FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE PHYSICAL SEARCHES
By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States, including sections 302 and 303 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 (“Act”) (50 U.S.C. 1801, et seq.), as amended by Public Law 103- 359, and in order to provide for the authorization of physical searches for foreign intelligence purposes as set forth in the Act, it is hereby ordered as follows:
Section 1. Pursuant to section 302(a)(1) of the Act, the
Attorney General is authorized to approve physical searches, without a court order, to acquire foreign intelligence information for periods of up to one year, if the Attorney General makes the certifications required by that section.
Sec. 2. Pursuant to section 302(b) of the Act, the Attorney General is authorized to approve applications to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court under section 303 of the Act to obtain orders for physical searches for the purpose of collecting foreign intelligence information.
Sec. 3. Pursuant to section 303(a)(7) of the Act, the following officials, each of whom is employed in the area of national security or defense, is designated to make the certifications required by section 303(a)(7) of the Act in support of applications to conduct physical searches:
(a) Secretary of State;
(b) Secretary of Defense;
(c) Director of Central Intelligence;
(d) Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation;
(e) Deputy Secretary of State;
(f) Deputy Secretary of Defense; and
(g) Deputy Director of Central Intelligence.
None of the above officials, nor anyone officially acting in that capacity, may exercise the authority to make the above certifications, unless that official has been appointed by the President, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate.
WILLIAM J. CLINTON
THE WHITE HOUSE,
February 9, 1995.
Or how about how upset you are with Jimmy Carter, when he signed the following:
EXERCISE OF CERTAIN AUTHORITY RESPECTING ELECTRONIC SURVEILLANCE
EO 12139
23 May 1979
——————————————————————————–
By the authority vested in me as President by Sections 102 and 104 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 (50 U.S.C. 1802 and 1804), in order to provide as set forth in that Act (this chapter) for the authorization of electronic surveillance for foreign intelligence purposes, it is hereby ordered as follows:
1-101. Pursuant to Section 102(a)(1) of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 (50 U.S.C. 1802(a)), the Attorney General is authorized to approve electronic surveillance to acquire foreign intelligence information without a court order, but only if the Attorney General makes the certifications required by that Section.
1-102. Pursuant to Section 102(b) of the Foreign Intelligence Act of 1978 (50 U.S.C. 1802(b)), the Attorney General is authorized to approve applications to the court having jurisdiction under Section 103 of that Act (50 U.S.C. 1803) to obtain orders for electronic surveillance for the purpose of obtaining foreign intelligence information.
1-103. Pursuant to Section 104(a)(7) of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 (50 U.S.C. 1804(a)(7)), the following officials, each of whom is employed in the area of national security or defense, is designated to make the certifications required by Section 104(a)(7) of the Act in support of applications to conduct electronic surveillance:
(a) Secretary of State.
(b) Secretary of Defense.
(c) Director of Central Intelligence.
(d) Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation.
(e) Deputy Secretary of State.
(f) Deputy Secretary of Defense.
(g) Deputy Director of Central Intelligence.
None of the above officials, nor anyone officially acting in that capacity, may exercise the authority to make the above certifications, unless that official has been appointed by the President with the advice and consent of the Senate.
1-104. Section 2-202 of Executive Order No. 12036 (set out under section 401 of this title) is amended by inserting the following at the end of that section: ”Any electronic surveillance, as defined in the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978, shall be conducted in accordance with that Act as well as this Order.”.
1-105. Section 2-203 of Executive Order No. 12036 (set out under section 401 of this title) is amended by inserting the following at the end of that section: ”Any monitoring which constitutes electronic surveillance as defined in the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 shall be conducted in accordance with that Act as well as this order.
Jimmy Carter.
Didn’t think you folks would have any problem with your own doing these things. What Jokers!
yeaWrongAsAlways:
probably used the same thing
Probably? Oh are we hedging now?
Cluelessless at Wabbit
I want GW to find and listen in on calls to terrorists. Don’t you? I even want al Qaeda plots to blow up Seattle foiled prior. Although flattening the bluest parts of Seattle would be a positive culling for the human race, I do not want it to happen.
To the lefties terrorism is always something to prosecute AFTER. Which reminds me – give John “our-troops-terrorize-women-and-children” Kerry a hug after the terrorist.
Nitey-nite.
60
Nothing in there about warrantless domestic spying on American citizens.
Gaseous Sh*thead @ 59
You’re way late to the party. Discussed and digested. Clinton’s EO requires certifications in section 1 that I printed in comment 55.
Carter’s languages requires similar if not identical certifications.
Bottom line is the chimpinator wants to do whatever he pleases without any oversight or checks and balances. That is unAmerican, illegal and an impeachable offense.
– To the lefties terrorism is always something to prosecute AFTER. –
Like 9/11. Where is Osama anyway? In Prison, right? Dead or Alive?
Probably vacationing at Crawford.
sick, wrong, fascist @ 61
I want GW to realize that no man is above the law and if he commits a crime, he will pay the price.
The FISA court almost never rejects a warrant request and they can be retroactive. So what is your favorite protector / dictator wanting to hide?
Bush Dead-Enders @ all
Bruce Fein from the Moonie Times:
President Bush presents a clear and present danger to the rule of law. He cannot be trusted to conduct the war against global terrorism with a decent respect for civil liberties and checks against executive abuses. Congress should swiftly enact a code that would require Mr. Bush to obtain legislative consent for every counterterrorism measure that would materially impair individual freedoms.
@34
There is a big difference in President Nixon using government resources for political purposes for selfish gain and President Bush using the NSA to track terrorists having conversations with people in America. Notice I didn’t say American citizens, that’s because with over 12 million illegal aliens running around the country how do you know who is who?
The Seattle space needle does make a nice target and are you really sure there isn’t a sleeper cell up there in that emerald city? The butt President Bush has saved could be yours!
Bruce Fein sounds like someone who needs a reality check if he thinks Congress can keep a secret. It would in every major newspaper within two hours.
MTR
Dont you know that the lord gave donna two sets of lips so she could piss and moan at the same time
how do you know who is who?
That’s what the FISA court is for – to prevent the kind of abuses we saw under Nixon.
They’ve gotten into big trouble with FISA before.
Now one of the judges has gotten fed up with it all.
Hmmmm. The news says that Abramoff has entered into discussions with DOJ about cooperating in the Congressional corruption probe. Is Jack getting ready to roll over on our boy Tom DeLay? To paraphrase Bertold Brecht: “Has our boy (Jack) done something rash?”
NSA used to track terrorists? How about NSA used to spy on average Americans with no terrorist links and in some cases who have never participated in protests?
The FBI has released highly redacted documents on Sarah Bardwell and Scott Silber in response to FOIA requests filed by the ACLU in December 2004. People Involved in the ACLU’s FOIA Request:
Reverend Raymond Payne is a United Methodist Minister from Russell, Kentucky.
Last October, Canadian border officials interrogated Reverend Payne for more than an hour as he attempted to enter Canada for a vacation with his wife. According to Reverend Payne, the officials informed him that the interrogation was triggered because he is the subject of an FBI file. Reverend Payne has never been arrested, been charged with a crime, or participated in a protest.
Peace Action Maine is the state’s largest peace organization. The group has worked for over 20 years to promote peace through grassroots organizing, citizen education and issue advocacy. Peace Action Maine is a voice of education and a center for all people committed to disarmament and creative responses to conflict.
John “Jack” Bussell is a board member of Veterans For PeaceMaine Chapter. Bussell served in the United States Army from 1959-1979.
> American Friends Service Committee, winner of the Nobel Peace Prize in 1947, carries out service, development, social justice and peace programs throughout the world. Founded by Quakers in 1917, its work is based on the Quaker belief in the worth of every person and faith in the power of love to overcome violence and injustice.
“December 2004, American Civil Liberties Union filed Freedom of Information requests in 10 states for evidence that shows the FBI and local police forces targeted religious groups like the Quakers and Catholic Peace Ministries. Not that we might better spend the effort spying on, say, North Korea.”
Nothing in those orders that exempted domestic spying if there was foreign intel to be gained either.
The FBI and the NSA are different organizations with different missions. I am highly confident that the NSA spys on North Korea pretty much 24/7.
I met a WWII B17 pilot today. He had locked his keys in the car after going to the pharmacy to get medicine for his dying wife. I noticed his predicament when I pulled in the parking lot, and later as he was trying to sort out his dilema on a phone inside the pharmacy.
I tapped him on the shoulder and told him I would gladly give him a ride home if he had a second set of keys there. He said he did and was thankful for that gesture and went with me.
On the way home he told me of his wife, and also that he had recently been to the military cemetary to arrange for her final resting place as she was near death.
He had just visited the 2nd to the last member of his B17 crew in the hospital with cancer. He said three had survived, but the bottom gunner had gone on a separate mission where he was shot down. He said the gunner had actually survived the crash in Germany, but that he was stoned to death by the Germans in the area shortly after the landing.
As I took him to his home, and back, I thought of how fortunate I was to not only have had people of this caliber defending our freedom in WWII, but how fortunate I was to have had this per chance meeting today. He thanked me for the ride, I thanked him for his service.
Both of us got something today!
From the one and only Washington Times:
“President Bush presents a clear and present danger to the rule of law. He cannot be trusted to conduct the war against global terrorism with a decent respect for civil liberties and checks against executive abuses. Congress should swiftly enact a code that would require Mr. Bush to obtain legislative consent for every counterterrorism measure that would materially impair individual freedoms.”
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“Would you lie to save the lives of US citizens?”
This statement is total bullshit. There is zero (0) evidence that Bush’s warrantless searches have prevented any terrorist attacks or saved a single U.S. life (but there is plenty of evidence that he is violating the law and abusing his authority to spy on political opponents and critics). If he, or his minions, want to spy on a legitimate terrorism suspect all they have to do is get a warrant from the special court — that’s what the court is for. You are a fucking apologist for an out-of-control president who is breaking the law and violating the constitution. Impeach the bastard!
52
If you’re gonna link to it, read it, blockhead. Nothing in there authorizes what Bush is doing.
52
Besides, dummy, the president cannot by executive order expand his powers beyond what the Constitution allows, or overturn federal statutes or the Constitution. Sheesh. Go back and take 7th grade civics … you must have slept through it the first time.
56
“Get over yourself. The repubs want, in fact need you folks to keep blabbing. Nothing converts more Americans to the right than lefties saying what they really think. Or, at least try to think.”
How are you wingnut assholes doing in the public opinion polls? http://www.davidwissing.com/pollsbush.php
I can hardly wait to see next week’s poll results!
57
“the actual documents … show that Clinton and Carter desired and probably used the same thing GW has”
Bullshit.
Trolls like yeawrong are getting desperate!! Their world is caving in on them! Even some Republicans are now talking about impeachment.
59
You seem to forget I’m a lawyer. Try reading the fucking thing before you try to tell me what it says.
Comment on 58
When even the ultra-rightwing Moonie fish wrapper calls for impeachment, you know Bush is in deep shit.
67
I guess you thought your soldier’s oath only required you to defend the Constitution when you were on active duty, and now that you’re retired and collecting your pension check, you think it should be scrapped? Is that right, Sarge?
Comment on 70
Hmmm … that’s interesting … Ashcroft and his lackeys LIED to the court to get warrants … that’s grounds for disbarment.
71
Dunno, but Jack got $325,000 from the Guam Superior Court Building Fund. Wonder if he steals 3rd graders’ lunch money too.
Donors Underwrite DeLay’s Luxury Lifestyle
By LARRY MARGASAK and SHARON THEIMER, AP
WASHINGTON (Dec. 21) – As Rep. Tom DeLay crossed the country to raise millions of dollars for himself and fellow Republicans, he also improved his lifestyle.
Over the past six years, the former House majority leader or his associates have visited places of luxury most Americans have never seen, often getting there aboard corporate jets arranged by lobbyists and other special interests.
Public documents reviewed by The Associated Press tell the story: at least 48 visits to golf clubs and resorts with lush fairways; 100 flights aboard company planes; 200 stays at hotels, many world-class; and 500 meals at restaurants, some averaging nearly $200 for a dinner for two.
The meals and trips for DeLay and his associates were paid with donations collected by the campaign committees, political action committees and children’s charity the Texas Republican created during his rise to a top spot in Congress.
Put them together and a picture of an opulent lifestyle emerges.
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LIAR! LIAR! PANTS ON FIRE!
“Any time you hear the United States government talking about wiretap, it requires – a wiretap requires a court order,” Bush said during a speech on the Patriot Act in Buffalo, N.Y. “Nothing has changed, by the way. When we’re talking about chasing down terrorists, we’re talking about getting a court order before we do so.” — George W. Bush, April 2004
Wabbit-
77- ‘There is zero (0) evidence’ that many lives were not saved through GWs war powers. If another 9/11 attack happens on GW’s watch who would you blame? GW is responsible and obligated to protect even lefty scum, which is what he is doing.
78- ‘Nothing in there authorizes what Bush is doing.’ Those were links to Carter and Clinton EO’s that, with a simple “certification” from leaders of CIA, Justice and State allowed the very same thing. Deal with the fact that GW is protecting wackos like the entire HA “team”.
82- ‘You seem to forget I’m a lawyer.’ And that means what? That you have a 9/10 chance of being stupid and gullible. Three years of memorizing does not inject common sense, nor does it seem to help reading and comprehension skills.
Try to suppress America’s ability to fight al Qaeda all you want. And spread the word. Oh, and just keep telling people you are a lawyer. That helps a lot.
Donors Underwrite DeLay’s Luxury Lifestyle
By LARRY MARGASAK and SHARON THEIMER, AP
WASHINGTON (Dec. 21) – As Rep. Tom DeLay crossed the country to raise millions of dollars for himself and fellow Republicans, he also improved his lifestyle.
Over the past six years, the former House majority leader or his associates have visited places of luxury most Americans have never seen, often getting there aboard corporate jets arranged by lobbyists and other special interests.
Public documents reviewed by The Associated Press tell the story: at least 48 visits to golf clubs and resorts with lush fairways; 100 flights aboard company planes; 200 stays at hotels, many world-class; and 500 meals at restaurants, some averaging nearly $200 for a dinner for two.
The meals and trips for DeLay and his associates were paid with donations collected by the campaign committees, political action committees and children’s charity the Texas Republican created during his rise to a top spot in Congress.
Put them together and a picture of an opulent lifestyle emerges.
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Comment by Roger Rabbit — 12/21/05 @ 6:15 am [Er, RR, Who does this guy think he is??? A Kerry? A Kennedy?? The Mayor of Detroit?? hehe]
Roger,
I absolutely want the constitution protected, all of it. I want honorable leaders in each and every position of power in this country. I want our Commander in Chief to protect this country from enemies both foreign and domestic………
You dems better watch what you say on the phone. That black
van outside may be some Nazis. Donna, please learn how to
spell “stupid”. What do you have, a vagina?
yeaWrongAsAlways @ 89
Read comment 55 for the certifications. AMERICAN CITIZENS ARE EXCLUDED!
Dubya can fight Al Queda all he can – it’s his job. HE HAS NO BUSINESS fighting American citizens with the same weapons he should be using against terrorists.
HE HAS NO BUSINESS doing anything without accountability and oversight.
If you don’t like checks and balances move to a fascist country without them – you have a lot to choose from.
Heh, the Patriot act was first brought into place after the Oklahoma bombing by guess who…..who……who…….who…….
Bill Clinton…And you know …….what…….what……what
I absolutely agree with Bill Clinton bringing this important act into place.
So your problem with GWB bringing this act into place after the most massive attack against the US is….is…is….is….is
And
Heh, the same terriorists made a 1st failed attack on the World trade center under Bill Clinton’s watch, and what exactly the hell was done by your party to go after these attackers to keep the second successful attack from being redesigned and actually successfully happening…..Nothing…..ZERO ZERO ZERO ZERO
Heh, how many attacks in the US have there been since GWB went after them SOB’s……………ZERO ZERO ZERO
You folks got your heads up your asses!
Speaking of hats. Here’s something for you to chew on…
I can’t believe nobody anywhere has suggested this, but I’m guessing that Abramoff’s odd hat selection is some sort of code to who he’s telling on. Why else would he be choosing such distinctive and bizarre hats? From a fedora to a baseball cap… with a dark blue suit? Sadly, American men don’t wear hats anymore, and they certainly don’t wear fedoras… and well it’s just freaky to see a beige baseball cap with a suit! I think this goes beyond mere fashion “senseâ€.