You’ve got to give him credit… initiative monger Tim Eyman has finally come up with a bold new idea, guaranteed to shake up the political establishment: $30 car tabs.
Sure, Tim ran a $30 car tabs initiative in 1999 (I-695) and again in 2002 (I-776)… but this one is totally different because, um… well… it’ll have a completely different number. As the French say, “plus ca change, plus c’est le meme chose” (Translation: “Tim Eyman is a horse’s ass.”)
Tim called up David Ammons of the AP today to give him the scoop (a savvy PR move, considering nobody shows up for Tim’s press conferences anymore.) Tim plans to run an initiative to the legislature mandating $30 car tabs. It would block the Legislature from imposing a proposed $5 to $25 weight fee, and would eliminate the local MVET option currently levied for the Seattle Monorail and Sound Transit.
Tim railed against what he calls “tab creep” since the passage of I-695.
“This is the most arrogant and disrespectful attitude toward the voters. It’s like having children who are constantly trying to test you,” Eyman said.
Uh… local voters approved both the Monorail and Sound Transit’s Light Rail, and it is Tim who is being arrogant and disrespectful by calling us children. Personally, I think Tim is the “tab creep;” as one Eyman critic said, he seems to have some sort of $30 car tab fetish:
Eyman critic David Goldstein, a Seattle blogger and software designer, called the new initiative a tantrum by a sponsor who has gotten too caught up in his own myth.
“He’s making a fetish out of $30 tabs,” Goldstein said in an interview. “It’s his personal ego. And it’s bad public policy. It shows his disregard for local control. It’s another statewide initiative to prevent us in Seattle and King County from building the kind of infrastructure we want and need.
“Here’s the guy who’s against centralized government and for voter control who is now essentially railing against local control.”
Oh wait… that was me. How meta.
I could have been pithier, but the point stands… this initiative isn’t about taxes or public policy or respecting the will of the people… it’s about Tim. He built his career on $30 car tabs, and any tinkering with them he takes as a personal affront. But if he thinks he can simply slap tail fins on this old buggy and ride it to victory at the polls, he’s got another thing coming.
Tim traditionally relies on Eastern Washington for much of his support, but nobody has felt the pain of I-695 more than the residents of rural towns, many of which are on the verge of bankruptcy as a result. And voters have made it clear they want the kinds of non-asphalt transportation projects that only “flexible funding” can finance (the state Constitution limits gas tax spending to roads and car ferries.)
If Timmy really wants another winner, he’s going to have to get a little more creative. Could a $20 car tab initiative be far on the horizon?
Oh wait… that was me. How meta.
Yes, Goldy, next time you cite yourself, don’t reveal that you are citing your own articles, and just point to here, here and here.
but nobody has felt the pain of I-695 more than the residents of rural towns, many of which are on the verge of bankruptcy as a result.
Don’t expect them to stop putting their finger in the socket. They would vote to dissolve their own cities and counties if given a chance.
Plus, the small towners still don’t get that they are being massively subsidized when the state builds a highway 300 miles to a town of 200 and everyone pays almost nothing in land taxes.
They also would create their own state and cut themselves off from their western Washington subsidy if given half a chance.
I think Eyman really missed the boat by not going for a $29.95 car tax. But getting the initiative passed isn’t really the point. This is his job, and he gets paid by pushing initiatives for something, anything, doesn’t matter what.
It’s all about Tim’s paycheck. Everything else is mere sideshow.
Goldy–
Interesting you accuse Eyman of doing this because of his “personal ego” and then quote yourself and editorialize, “Oh wait, that was me. How meta.”
Once again, you seem to be oozing with “small man syndrome” leading more & more readers to the logical conclusion that you should change you Blog name to:
ChipmunkTesticles.org
I’m sure you are doing the best that you can Goldy.
For those of us on the Right…that’s the encouraging part!!!
there you go again Cynicalafterbirth, always with your fetish for male sex organs. You should seek counciling and/or change your meds……..or get a life.
Goldy, with your abundance of trolls I am very skeptical at our states future. With their love of ‘honest timmy’ I bet they will run him for governor in 2008, after ‘The Lossi’ goes into the sunset with his ‘badly orchestrated’ election challenge. Wow, it makes me just tremble all over (With laughter that is)
jpgee@5–
You are skeptical about our state’s future at a time when a bunch of numbnuts like yourself are in charge 100%?????????
Jpgee is our resident homophobic homo….which means he is AFRAID OF HIMSELF!!!!!
Laugh to your hearts content pervert…the times they are a changin’!!
jpgee=
Just a Pervert Guys!!
I can just picture you sitting in front of your little computer screen with your little wrists flapping in anger anytime someone disagrees with the Left WingNut philosophy of….whatever. Kind of like a hummingbird.
Dubyasux @ 2:
They also would create their own state and cut themselves off from their western Washington subsidy if given half a chance.
One of my first memories as a mossy little Northwesterner 30 years ago was listening to my auntie in Spokane tell my dad and some other Seattle-based relatives about this idea that the politicans were floating to break off Eastern Washington, Eastern Oregon, and Northern Idaho into their own state.
It never happens.
Our cousins over on the dry side are a crotchety bunch. They like guns a wee bit too much and hate gays a wee bit too much. They give their votes to utter loons like Ellen Craswell, and are completely bewildered as to how anybody could live in a 24 hour-a-day zoo like Seattle.
But they’re not stupid. They can count.
Not that “eastern Washington” communities rant thing again. This is like the Democrats always doing all kinds of things “for the children.”
If you are this concerned about small eastern Washington communities, why don’t you either start an intiative or ask the Legislature to sponsor a “No-ghost town in the making left behind bill” that is designed to save & protect children in small communities that have incoprorated and have no economic viable reason for existing. You could then shower the “cross roads in the middle of nowhere, where no one wants to start a business” with all the money the citizens (who don’t want to leave) could want.
You need to get out this summer and drive around the old West. There are these things called “ghost towns.” They are towns that were once economically viable, but aren’t so any more. Consider it geo-political Darwinism, survival of the economically fit.
The trouble with the eastern Washington Towns is not sales tax redistribution, lost from the reduction in car tabs. The problem is that the underlyng economic reasons for the various town’s existance has changed. The loss of redistributed sales tax is just speeding up the evolutionary process.
You can object to $30 car tabs, but don’t do it in the name of small eastern Washington communities. That is pure ….oh that’s right this is the Horses Ass website.
Oh God, no more sky is falling because of 695…guess what, the sky didnt fall and we are still here. The problem is morons that are in government that cannot understand when they are told to cut waste and run things more like a buisiness. When sales are down, a real buisiness tightens up, and government can tighten a plenty without even affecting services…read my lips eliminate “prevailing wage”.
Goldy — the last several articles I’ve read on this issue have included interviews with residents of those small rural towns who just don’t get the connection between these tax-cutting initiatives and the inability of the local fire department to save their burning homes. So I’m not as confident as you are that the voters will reject Timmy’s latest scheme to do whatever it is he thinks he is doing. How do we educate these rural voters? They’re not dumb, but it is apparent that they are ignorant of how tax revenues are allocated and how that allocation benefits them. Somehow, we have to take a basic civics course on the road — either that or just let a bunch of these towns auger in.
This is just a big game for Olympia. Does anyone here not think that the minute ANY kind of initiative even gets proposed that at least one legislator has his/her staff (or a WA agency) researching how to get around it?
Government is the poster child for “that’s how we’ve always done it.”
cynical@7. If you think jpgee is a humming bird, you must be to be a hum job waiting to happen.
docbenton@11
It has nothing to do with fires, you guys are just trying to get a new viaduct, well you guys get off on the taxes so tax yourseves into oblivian and leave the rest of us to our “declining” cities and towns. I live on the outskirts of Roy and they are doing very well financially, as is Yelm down the street. Guess what? These were both small towns when 695 went through, and they are putting in new sidewalks and fire departments and such…
Ya chuck, theyre spending homeland security funds, on new sidewalks, new office furniture, new cars/trucks, four wheelers, waverunners, dirt bikes, etc.
Great. No waste there.
It’s the liberals who have the $30 car tab “fetish”. If I-695 has been so horrible to their sensibilities, why aren’t they lining up to pay $500-$600 for “voluntary” tabs on their new Volvos and Jettas?
Diggindude@15
Actually they were doing this before homeland security funds were available to splurge with.
Cheesy Chuck @ 14,
I thought y’all were getting taxed to death. Hey folks move on down to Roy and Yelm and share in the wealth.
For the record, CC I live in Seattle and I oppose the viaduct. Tear it down, replace the seawall and leave it at that. Seattle gets back it’s waterfront. The trucks from the port can easily make due. It’s the gas guzzling commuters that need to change their behavior.
Any funds that would be squandered on the viaduct should be directed to I-5 which is in dire need of an overhaul.
… well you guys get off on the taxes so tax yourseves into oblivian and leave the rest of us to our “declining” cities and towns.
Tell that to Eyman. He’s the one trying to subvert local control and undermine the will of the people so that he can line his own pockets with another initiative drive.
I live in eastern Washington, and I see the effects our massively regressive and unfair state tax structure has on our communities all the time. Eliminating one of the few progressive taxes we had was a mistake that is having exactly the effect opponents of 695 predicted. It’s not “geo-political Darwinism;” it’s short-sighted thinking built on a foundation of deceipt and demagoguery.
Another TJ@19
How can a small town like Roy with virtually no industry do well when the towns you live around do so poorly?
John@18
We are taxed to death…by the county and state. My taxes dont feed Roy, because I dont live IN Roy, simply on the outskirts.
Take that back, few of my taxes feed Roy.
Chuck, are you aware Roy is not in eastern Washington?
Another TJ@22
DUH, that somehow prevents you from answering the question?
John @ 18
AMEN to that!
I seem to recal a time in our Nations past when fuel was at a permium, and owing the large gas hogs became more of a sign of squandered waste than of class or wealth. Seems this country forgot those days…and they’re back, to fully bite our fat lazy asses. Serves us right.
You can drive across this great country and find towns that have “dried up” for no reason but the inhabitants have moved on to more prosperous (jobs) areas. All the tab fees in the world cannot nor should they be used to stop this evolution. If you go to Elida, NM you will find a ghost town, same with Arch, and Ft Sumner (of famed Billy the Kid). Susanville California is pretty much the same. Why should we tax ourselves into poverty just to attempt to stay off the inevitable? Small towns many times whither and die.
Cynical @3,
What… I’m quoted in the newspaper, and I shouldn’t cite it? I don’t hear you attacking Stefan for self-promotion every time he posts a link about himself on the radio or TV or in print. And remember, Eyman called the AP… but the AP called me. So really… who’s guiltier of shameless self-promotion?
Bob @9,
The point is to get some awareness out there in rural Washington about the impact on their own communities of these tax cutting initiatives. You look at the politics behind I-776… and it was a pure “fuck Seattle” initiative… but in the end, it’s the rest of the state that is truly getting fucked.
Mark @12,
Awww… how cynical of you. After two years, an initiative is just like any other law. Times change, circumstances change, and so do our statutes. There is nothing particularly inviolate about an initiative… as the suspension of the class size and teacher pay initiatives have proven.
Rick @16,
Umm… that’s exactly what we did in Seattle, by voting for the Monorail (I say “we” but I voted against it.) And now Eyman wants the rest of the state to tell us we can’t tax ourselves to build our own infrastructure. How democratic is that?
In terms of state and local tax burden, a recent report by Money ranked Washington tied for 24th, with Idaho, Iowa, Mississippi and North Carolina. So the claim that state and local government is taxing Chuck to death is hyperbole and nonsense, like so much of what he says.
Given that it is irrelevant to the point I made in my post, yes, it does. My point was that eastern Washington cities and towns have been hit harder than Eyman disingenuously claimed (and exactly as hard as opponents of 695 predicted). He lied about 695, and we were sold a bill of goods.
And Goldy’s right; we’re not very impressed with Timmy’s rhetoric anymore.
Fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can’t get fooled again.
Where to start….
docbenton@11:
“…just don’t get the connection between these tax-cutting initiatives and the inability of the local fire department to save their burning homes.”
Gosh, and here I thought that my living in an unicorporated part of my County and supporting my local fire district and by voting for local property taxes that they would help save my burning house. I didn’t know that I needed to live in a real city to have my home saved! (/sarcasm) Doc, you are off base with your comments that are obviously for dramatic effect.
Another TJ @19:
“…It’s not “geo-political Darwinism;” it’s short-sighted thinking built on a foundation of deceipt and demagoguery.”\
So we need to preserve all city & town services in all towns no matter their population and no matter their economic vitality? Is this true for all States? I do some geneology. I have relatives who came from KleinSachsenheim in Germany in the late 1700’s. KleinSachsenheim was economically forced about 30 years ago to merge wtih two medeval villages into a single city as the three could no longer afford all of their city administrative overhead costs. Should we take some of our tax money to save historic communities that were once RR hubs and now the trains no longer stop there (maybe the tracks have even been removed).
If you go up to Canada one of the prairie concerns was the tearing down and closing of grain elevators as community focal points. Is it really an appropriate use of tax money to prop things up that are no longer economically viable and haven’t been for twenty years?
Is artificially keeping things as they were just so we can feel good a smart thing to do? Or is it perhaps “short-sighted thinking built on a foundation of deceipt.”
DamnageD@24
Unfortunatly, that utopia you speak of never really existed. A few folks went in for the econoboxes but mainstay America still wanted the Oldsmobile 98 with the 455 rocket. The government forced downsizing and increased economy and at the same time cleaner engines. Dont think the public wanted this.
Wayne@27
God man wake up and smell the coffee, 24th my ass, the tab fee might be 24th by itself.
Is artificially keeping things as they were just so we can feel good a smart thing to do? Or is it perhaps “short-sighted thinking built on a foundation of deceipt (sic).”
You forgot the demagoguery.
And I’m not suggesting we “artificially” do anything. I’m saying that Eyman is the one who artificially hastened the decline of these towns with his snake oil.
I know this is hyperbole, but it’s like saying a murderer shouldn’t be punished because, well, everyone dies eventually.
Another TJ@32
First of all it wasnt Eyeman, it was the majority of the voters, secondly we didnt murder these towns, we simply pulled the “feeding tube” on a hopeless situation, you liberals should be able to see the humane thinking there…
Chuck @ 31:
You dispute Money Magazine’s rankings from the Tax Foundation? Let’s see your proof!
Here is mine:
http://money.cnn.com/pf/featur.....index.html
Put up or shut up.
@ 30
I wasn’t speaking of a utopia, just a lesson in history that we as consumers hav allowed to be regurgated. I remembeer when the city and hiway MPG wer a major selling point, now it’s speed and sex. Not that theres anything wrong with that. But I’d dont think its entirely true that it didnt catch on. The sucess of Honda and Toyota (for example) could symbolize that some of us did in fact learn for the past. Ecomoboxes have come a long way, only to be usurped by the giant penis extensions the double fist fuel like a frat boy and degrade the roads at a higher rate.
Sure some utility vechiles are needed…and those folks know who they are, and no critizing tothem. Its the rest of us that felt the need to get a bigger tool that our neighbor. Now we’re in a positin where we have to pay nuge amounts for tabs and equally rediculous prices for fuel.
We havent learned our lesson yet.
Wayne@34
Wayne, there is a fly in your soup, it is a bogus study,State/Local taxes as % of per capita income. To be true it would be taxes PER CAPITA alone. Bill Gates doesnt need a more expensive road than a tobacco picker in the Carolinas. Per capita income has little bearing.
First of all it wasnt Eyeman, it was the majority of the voters,
Acting on his deceitful claims.
The sucess of Honda and Toyota (for example) could symbolize that some of us did in fact learn for the past>>>>>
Those sucesses symbolize the fact that the federal government almost killed the American automotive industry with fuel mileage requirements while making them make cleaner engines, the pouring of money into those things caused a seious quality problem, hence the foregn cars came in riding on decent quality and EPA waivers that the American manufacturer couldnt get. The waivers were given for mileage. It is back to government regulation…
Speaking of LIE-man:
Eyman, the anti-politician, sure is good at politicking
http://www.chronline.com/Main......leID=19824
The link provided in #39 is an excellent example of why the people of Lewis County refer to the Chronicle as “The Comical.” Thanks for the link.
Chuck @ 36
Using $ per capita makes no sense. Per capita income is always the relevent number used to look at relative tax burden. If you use $ per capita (or $/person) you do not get a true picture of the burden on the citizens. The $/person tax rate could be higher in Washington than Nebraska even though Nebraska’s average tax is 10.8% vs. 10.0% in Washington, because Washington’s average income per person is higher. If lower taxes was my concern, I would rather have 10% taken in taxes than 10.8%, all things being equal.
I think your argument is that government should cost the same in Washington as North Carolina and therefore the fact that Washington collects more $ in absolute dollars makes Washington a less tax friendly state. The problem with this argument is that just as income is higher in Washington, so are the costs. Bill Gates may not need a better road, but it is going to cost more to build that road, due to higher property costs, labor costs, materials, etc. It costs more for Washington state government to just provide the same services as North Carolina or Mississippi, much less better, which is what I would like to aim for.
If you think North Carolina or Mississippi is so much better, nobody here is stopping you.
Wayne@41
Wayne, if you want tree hugging and social programs galore combined with high taxes, why dont you move to California? Hell I suppose we all could move, give me a fucking break!
Cynical @ 3
Eyman isn’t doing it for his personal ego, he’s doing it for money. Like all Republicans. It’s never difficult to figure out a GOPer’s motivation for anything. With them it’s always money, money, money!!!
Cyn, I do like the “ChipmunkTesticles.org” moniker, but instead of offering it to Goldy, you should save it for your own web site.
Also, I really REALLY want to know how your washing machine works. It’s amazing how you feed those $100 bills into the rollers and by simply turning a crank, L & I taxes intended for injured workers comes out as Rossi slush funds on the other side. What’s inside that gizmo, anyway? From an engineering viewpoint, this is fascinating!
jp @ 5
“With their love of ‘honest timmy’ I bet they will run him for governor in 2008”
Yes oh please yes yes YES please please God YES YES YES YES !!!!!
Cynical @ 6 and 7
Would you just shut up and show us the washing machine?
Wayne@41
Guess what Wayne Washington also has an extrordanary amount of millionairs living here, because of lack of income tax. That is another fly in your soup.
jsa @ 8
“They can count.”
Too bad. And here I was already looking forward to not missing them and getting a tax cut at the same time.
It’s never difficult to figure out a GOPer’s motivation for anything. With them it’s always money, money, money!!!>>>>
Its no difference with the democrats, Dubyasux, the difference is the dems want to do it with other peoples money…
doc @ 11
No, let’s keep the $30 tabs and let them wallow in the consequences of their ignorance. But I’ll never forgive Eyman for screwing me out of a nickel. Everybody else uses $29.95 pricing, why didn’t he? Ain’t it just like a Republican to fuck you out of a nickel and give it to a small town in eastern Washington. No, wait, the nickel didn’t make it to eastern Washington. Timmy’s palm is a black hole, any money that falls in there never escapes back into the universe.
Mark @ 12
Wheels are round because that’s the way we’ve always done it. Also, it works better. Maybe government does things the way it does because it works better, too.
Rick @ 16
Because we like the $30 tabs, even though Eyman overcharged us 5 cents. To hell with the small towns, they’re all Republicans anyway.
Cheesy Chuckie ~ I never would’ve guess you’re from Roy, but now that you mention it, it makes perfect sense.
Cheesy Chuckie @ 18 and 19
It also doesn’t surprise me a bit that you’re evading town taxes by living on the “outskirts” — or wait a minute, are you actually living IN Roy but having your mail delivered to Farmer Brown’s cow pasture so you don’t have to pay local fees? I wouldn’t put it past you. Somebody please rat out this guy to the Roy authorities.
Chuck @ 25
Actually I kind of like your reasoning here.
Why should the Bureau of Reclamation spend $2 million per farm to subsidize farms in places God never intended to put a farm?
Why should the Corps of Engineers empty the Missouri River reservoirs and starve Montana, Wyoming, and the Dakotas of water to subsidize the profits of a half dozen St. Louis barge companies?
Why should the U.S. Department of Agriculture pay farmers to not grow crops?
Why should the Bureau of Land Management rent public grazing land to ranchers at one-fifth of the market rate so they can spend all day riding a horse instead of working at a real job?
Why should taxpayers spend $46,000 on jet fuel to fly George Bush to his Crawford ranch for a weekend vacation?
Dubyasux@53
Actually it is probably a good thing I dont live in Roy, I would run for mayor and give out tax rebates…
Chuck @ 42 and 46
I strongly doubt the number of millionaires has anything to do with lack of an income tax. New York City; Potomac, Maryland; San Francisco and Los Angeles all have a high number of millionaires and state income taxes. In any event, the fact that income level differs state to state is precisely why the relative tax burden is calculated as a percentage of income, not in absolute dollars.
However, your inability to refute my position has forced you to resort to your usual tactic – avoid the issue and start name calling. It’s similar to a child who is mad because he is losing a board game. What does he do? Turn over the board and call the other guy names.
donsuxdubya @ 44
thats a great idea. EYMAN 2008
man your full of them.
It doesnt cost the taxpayers $46,000 in jet fuel, he takes Marine 1, a helicopter to Crawford.
don @ 54
so you admit the government should reduce spending?
Wayne@56
What name did I call you? I must need help reading because as I scroll back I cannot see where I called you a name.
maybe you called him a democrat. it seems that is an insult to alot of people these days.
Like all Republicans. It’s never difficult to figure out a GOPer’s motivation for anything. With them it’s always money, money, money!!! -Comment by Dubyasux— 4/12/05 @ 12:29 pm
Donnydrunk – weren’t YOU the one that tried to convince us that democrats were the capitalists?
Yes I am sorry if calling you a democrat hurt you in any way…
Okay, perhaps 42 wasn’t actually name-calling, but more like changing the subject while accusing me of preferring tree-hugging and high taxes.
I apologize for the inaccuracy.
Chuck at 14 and Bob at 29
Okay, guys, you let King County keep all of the B&O tax, property tax, sales and use tax, car tab tax, etc. generated in King County and all the other counties can keep theirs as well. Then let’s talk again.
dumbass@chuck,
marine 1 is a gas turbine helicopter.
Which burns “jet fuel”, which is diesel,clean diesel, but diesel just the same.
Diggindude@66
I am fully aware of that fact…but it doesnt burn $46,000 worth of it…
Wayne @ 27
Although Washington’s state/local tax burden ranks in the middle if measured as a percentage of personal income, but is closer to the top — 13th — in dollars per capita. http://www.taxfoundation.org/staterankings.html The reason for this disparity in percentage in per capita rankings is that our personal income is higher than average.
Washington’s relatively high dollars-per-capita state/local tax burden has very important consequences for tax politics in our state. The reason is because income isn’t evenly distributed across the state. The high paying jobs are concentrated in a few urban areas, and the benefits of our state’s above-average per capita income do not reach most of the people in the small towns and hinterlands. Not only that, but because of the dearth of discount stores outside population centers, they generally pay higher prices, and therefore more sales taxes. This makes our regressive tax structure even more regressive than it appears on paper if you only look at the state as a whole.
So, while Seattleites may rank 24th in state/local taxes, the small town and rural population ranks 13th, and needless to say that hardens resistance to tax increases outside the high-income areas of the state. For this part of our population, their tax burden is not average but way above average, and that’s why they are outraged when anyone asks them to pay more.
This strengthens the argument for a state income tax even more. Replacing part of the sales tax with an income tax would not only shift some tax burden from low income households (who are overtaxed) to affluent households (who are getting off lightly), but would also shift tax burden from the average-income parts of the state to the high-income enclaves, resulting in a fairer distribution of the tax burden among the economically disparate areas of the state.
oh so it was the term “tree hugging” that insulted him.
that is even funnier.
Don @ 43
Republicans do it for money Democrats (lowry, Adams, clinton) do it for sleazy sex. Which one takes the higher road? God only know what McDermott’s motivation is. we know it isn’t helping his district out.
Timmy’s motivation isn’t hidden. We all know what he wants and what he needs. It’s the others you have to watch out for ..on both sides of the aisle.
Chuck @ 36
Au contraire, dirt roads are hard on the undercarriage of a $750,000 sportscar.
Wayne @ 41
That would be true only if income was distributed evenly across the state, which it isn’t. It’s one thing to pay Seattle taxes with a Seattle income; it’s another thing altogether to pay Seattle taxes with a Roy income.
Chuck @ 55
With what money? Be nice to me today, I’m taking your side on the per capita tax issue.
Reggie @ 70
You’ve got it wrong. Sleazy sex is strongly bi-partisan.
reggie @ 70
Given a choice between a politician who wants to put his hand in my pocket, or one who wants to put his hand under someone else’s undies, I’ll take the latter.
Doc Benton@74
Okay but in this state it’s the democrats that seem to be stupid enough to get caught.
don @ 75
as long as they don’t drug up your wife or your mother or your sister or your daughter to do it right?
I’d rather have them steal my money than any females dignity.
You just showed your true colors. You are a sexist pig
reggie @ 77
No, I’m just a pragmatist trying to live on a Democrat’s income. I can afford to let a politician screw your daughter, but I can’t afford to let them steal what little money I have. Besides, your daughter probably enjoys it.
And King George is putting his hand in my pocket Big Time. He wants to take away my Social Security. His borrow-and-spend policies will destroy my pension (and other fixed income) with inflation. His tax breaks for the rich will increase the tax burden on me, because he is increasing spending dramatically (instead of cutting spending) and somebody eventually will have to pay for all of his spending. My electricity bills have tripled thanks to George’s Enron pals. I’m paying twice as much for a gas fillup than when he took office. This Texas hick is fucking me economically, and so are his Republican pals in Congress and his buddies and contributors in corporate board rooms. This crop of Republicans is making Democrats look like paragons of fiscal virtue. They’re a new generation of robber barons.
sexist pig @ 79
you so ignorantly said
” Given a choice between a politician who wants to put his hand in my pocket, or one who wants to put his hand under someone else’s undies, I’ll take the latter.”
That perfectly describes democrats!
How sad that you buy all the conspiracy theories. a victim on a democrats salary. is it GW’s faulty that you are a big nothing?
from hearing about our financial woes I am surprised you are for raising taxes.
Dubyasux@71
Kix Brooks (of Brooks & Dunn) doesnt seem to have much problem with his Ferrarri on a dirt road around his ranch…
Chuck wrote:
I live on the outskirts of Roy and they are doing very well financially, as is Yelm down the street. Guess what? These were both small towns when 695 went through, and they are putting in new sidewalks and fire departments and such…
Bullshit.
Roy’s fire district last fall ran an EMS levy to pay for 24 hour paramedic service. It was voted down (probably by you, Chuck), so now at night if you have a heart attack or are involved in a car accident your paramedic ambulance will be coming from downtown Tacoma, approximately an hour away. Which basically means you’ll probably die before help arrives.
Of course, that was the will of the voters, so so be it. But you can hardly say that your fire department is doing well (like you imply above) when they no longer can provide 24 hour paramedic service.
Seeing how you’re this clueless about your own local government, one wonders how anyone takes you seriously about anything else.
Bax@82
We dont.
Bax@82
See that is where you have no idea of what you are talking about, the EMS service after the levy was voted down comes from McKenna, about 5 minuits away, about the same distance as Roy is. The Tacoma thing was one of the sky is falling threats they used.
Bax@82
Kind of makes me wonder how much bullshit you believe that isnt true about your local area.
McKenna and Roy are 5 miles apart. Also Roy has a 24-7 volanteer EMS group anyway, they just dont have a crew at the station 24-7.
too much whine @ 80
I’m not a sexist, and don’t want to screw a pig, so you have nothing to worry about.
Don
You need to grow up. Your statement was sexist and you know it. The more you say on this issue the dumber you look.
Reggie @ 88
Naaaaah. . . Dubyasux was using satirical humor to make a point. It may have been offensive to you (it was INTENDED to be offensive to you), but just good racy humor to others. The last line was a parody on the classic rapist self-justification. Brilliant!
Reggie, try to be offended AND find (or at least recognize) the humor at the same time. If you can’t do that, then you are going to continue making such mistakes. And the rest of us won’t be laughing with you, pal, we’ll be laughing AT you.