Huh. So first the state Democratic Party schedules its presidential caucus on a Saturday, and now we learn the county conventions are scheduled for Passover. I’m loathe to attempt to speak for my fellow Jews, but… what are we…? Chopped liver?
On a side note, if you’re trying to make up your mind on whether to attend your county convention or your family seder, I’ve been to both. It might be hard to believe, but county conventions are even more tedious and more frustrating than even the longest Passover seder (think of the platform debate as the four hundred questions,) and the food isn’t nearly as good. Stick with the seder.
Goldy..
This is unimagineable. Some of the words that come to mind are nto fit to print even in HA! It amounts to disenfranchisement.
can’t you use your tremendous pull with them to have this changed ? But that’s what you get for constantly harping on separation of church and state. A complete disregard for anything religious. Guess you have to make up your mind. Sin by missing the seder or sin by voting democrat :-)
Erev Pesach, to be precise.
But the decision makes no accommodation for all the time it takes to prepare matzoh balls.
DUTCH
sin, the Christian sense, is not a Jewish idea. We do not even have a Heaven or Hell to worry about although some do.
The issue for Jews .. liberal and orthodox, is called mitvah and means something between good deed and law. One is supposed to do the right thing. So, this hurts where it matters, it hurts our ability to be good people!
Furthermore, this is NOT a matter of church and state. The Jewish concept of mitzvot is not dependent on God. It is closer to the founding principles of the US .. what Jefferson would have called natural law. In a sense this would be similar to scheduling a critical even on the 4th of July in some event in Canada where Americans were supposed ot participate.
Put another way, a Jew who drove to a caucus would by more concerned with breaking our laws than about retribution from the deity. Going to the caucus is a BIG mitzvah!
The Passover situation is in many ways the worse of the two. Passover is not just a holy day, it is Xmas, Easter and el Feytr .. all rolled into one with more than a bit of the 4th too! Iy is the day families gather from all over the world to celebrate …FREEDOM!! Many families, mine included, actually use a book that night that was written in honor of MLK!
I understand the County will try to move the dates.
This was debated passionately by KC Dems. But hey, if it’s good enough for Harry Potter, it’s good enough for Democrats, neh?
http://www.globalvoicesonline......e-sabbath/
@5 If it was debated how in hell could they make this mistake? It is politically innane even if it were not immoral.
Sounds like something Karl Rove would love to hear about!
BTW … the County issue is NOT about the Sabbath.
I hope the non Jews here fully understand how serious this is.
It amounts to disenfranchisement of orthodox Jews …
May be a similar would help
What if the convention announced they were serving sacramenatl wine?
or that the only food available would be prok sandwiches (this WAS a common trick in Spain)
never mind holding a board meeting Xmas day!
,
It is a fact that picking any date/time will conflict wit some other event or obligation for at least some people. It not a metter of no conflict, it’s a matter of what conflict. I’ll admit that Passover is a big conflict for many and I guess it could have been picked for a weekend before or after. Oh, not after, that’s the day for LD caucuses.
[Deleted — Darryl, see HA Comment Policy]
Have you ever noticed that the people who talk about thinking outside the box, all seem to live in a box, drive to work in a box, and sit at their desk in a box. Not considering that there’s a possibility that some people are not Christian is the result of narrow thinking on the part of the box people. The Washington Democratic Party, on a mission to re-enforce every negative stereotype ever uttered about Democrats. Thanks Dwight.
Off topic [indeed…Deleted — Darryl, see HA Comment Policy]
[Deleted]
One thing I want to be very clear on. I am certain this was a human error. While ignorance may be a poor defense, it is all to real.
I hope that the Jewish Community joins with the Dems as soon as possible to rectify this mistake.
As for the date, satuday is the issue. Am I correct that Christians would be upset with a Sunday afternoon/evening mtg?
Well, that’s a mistake I could have made. I’m just not up on the Hebrew calendar – I know that there’s some holiday around October only because of the Yom Kipper War, and Easter isn’t on the same date every year because it’s connected to Passover, but that’s about it.
But Separation of church and state has nothing to do with it. We wouldn’t schedule a primary or caucus on a Sunday because it would conflict with those wanting to go to Church, and especially not on Easter Sunday. Although keeping everybody happy may be near impossible, certainly this should have been changed the moment this conflict of dates was brought to the public’s attention.
(O/T Notes: The White House just admitted – under oath – that it erased the tapes for a five or six month period covering the invasion of Iraq and the outing of Valerie Plame, as “recycling of backup tapes” which was “consistent with best industry practices”. The White House was required by law to preserve those records, and now the original messages, and their backups, are deleted. No mention of why, if it was “best industry practices”, it only occured for that limited time frame. Seems the Bush administration needed to get rid of a lot more evidence than the 18 minutes which Nixon needed to erase.
@12 … is that your last name?
The issue with Passover is NOT religous and the issue with Shabat is probably beyond your understanding,
We, the Jews, are a people .., ya know, like the Lakota, the French, the Chinese?????
We have a religion that is tied tightly to us, but a lot of Judaism is not religious in the usual sense of that term. As one example, do you know who the Missippit three were? Three civil rights works, on a convert two born as Jews, were burned to death in Missisippi. In my hime,a nd many others, their deaths are remembered every Passover as part of the celebration of freedom. By the way, in our service we also honor the father of the labor unions … Sam Gompers as well as such universal figures as Gandhi and MLK.
THAT celebration is the one being demeaned here.
SJ – Yes, my last name is actually Redneck-Goldstein.
WTF…did you think I just made it up? Dumass…
Jeez, you guys are sure turning yourselves into victims over the Passover deal. Give it a rest!
So much for the idea someone offered here recently about making Election Day a Saturday…
That the cacauses are held on a Saturday such that Jewish people are effectively substantially burdened is both distrespectful to them and, if you wish to make a case, arguably unlawful since the dispirate negative impact upon a specific group of people comes about because of their ethnicity and religous beliefs.
Whether Christians would complain about Sundays? We’re used to being disrespected what with kids sports and other activities on Sunday mornings.
This is what you get when you try to make participating in the process “easy and convenient.” Whatever happened to participating as a civic responsibility and a right secured and preserved by tens of thousands of American service men and women dating back to Bunker Hill who gave their last full measure of devotion so that we might be free?
Screw ease and convenience! If influencing who will be your candidate’s nominee for President is so unimportant that you can’t be bothered to come out on a weeknight to meet and debate with your neigbors on the issues and candidates of the day, then the case can be made that you have no business participating at all!
Will some not be able to come? Yes, but no system is perfect. But participatory democracy means just that: in order to have a democracy, you have to PARTICIPATE!
Still, to be so knuckleheaded as to go for offensive two-fer – Jewish sabbath and Passover – is too doofus for words. But, per @10…ewp… so typically Dwight Pelz!
Holding the county conventions on Passover eve is akin to holding them Christmas Eve. Even the little calendar I got free from a real estate agent I’ve never met noted that April 20th was Passover.
BTW…my party is not exempt from being similarly dense.
As an aside…I’ve never been but have always wanted to go to a Passover Seder…seriously.
The Piper
Given the already anti-Zionist commentary of the 04′ plank of this group what did you expect! The reality for us “Jews” of the region is that we’re not being given consideration for our vote. The Democratic Committee has fogotten-already–the devoted history of the Jewish Community here in Seattle and around the state and it’s support to the Democratic Party. All should be counted and not put into seperate groups. What’s that famous comment: first the Jews–
Piper
We always invite goyem. I am not sure but I think we will be jhere this year. Give me a call or send an email.
@16 Mark Dumass????
Is that French?
And I thought you were riffing off of Goldy’a name. Silly me.
How come your last nale has two ss? Another fuck up at Ellis Island. I enjoy your grand dad’s books.
I hate to tell you this, Goldy, but we’re all chopped liver.
“(think of the platform debate as the four hundred questions)”
That’s nothing. I was a state delegate at that infamous state convention in Hoquiam where the platform debates lasted all night and into the next morning.
SeattleJew: You are saying above there is no place like home (hell) for some of the 16%ers here?
@112 Why should you worry about what preventing global disaster will cost? You’re neither a producer nor solvent — the only thing you produce is hot air, and you can’t even pay a $100 gambling debt, much less child support and alimony!
F I V E H U N D R E D T H O U S A N D D O L L A R S
$500,000.00
HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR
That was an expensive piece of ass, Redneck! Hope it was a good one. For your sake.
HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR
@24 Hell is wherever you’re going to spend eternity, pudwhacker. The worst punishment I can think of is being your roommate.
Hey all: Ain’t it great to be a WA democrap right now? How about that big state tent?
i am surprised that so many of you are surprised that the democratic party isn’t being very considerate of jews. where have you been? you are a small voting block [according to the dnc] and you are a pain in the ass [according to the dnc]and haven’t you heard? they are all about the palestinians now. and hey, you can’t be both you know.
wow….where have you all been? under a rock?
what DIDN’T give it away for you? the palestinian flags being carried by the liberal democrats marching in the streets of san francisco and other cities while they also wore the palestinian scarf?
come on! who warned all of you about this a year ago?? think hard now…….
but hey, you could always just sack up and join this nutty “religion” instead and then you too could jump up and down on oprah’s couch……..
http://gawker.com/5002269/the-.....o-suppress
at least watch it…..
Pelletizer@27: Really? Oh… teach I have a perfect comeback.
Teacher: Save it. He’s not worth the pixels to type it.
ChristmasGhost: I posted all those Jerusalem Post articles in 2006 & 2007 about the American democraps were tossing out Israel for the Palestinians and I was called a neo-con, remember?
Now the eggs are a hatching.
I guess that big tent is full and something/someone had to be placed outside the big tent.
Pelletizer@26&27: You are the last person who should talk about roommates or sex partners. We know about your “tastes”!
Ghost – The Smartest Woman In The World along with her Machine showed this week just how much they hate black people too with their racist tirade against Hussein Obama.
So democrats hate jews and blacks. Just put ’em all in a group and exploit them.
12 Why, thank you, Mark! I’ll have to make a note to express my compliments to Reps. Chase and Simpson.
Meanwhile, mister big-time “producer”….when are you going to “produce” payment of your well-known gambling debt?
@20…Steve…
I might take you up on that!
The Piper
@23…RR…
No, they actually lasted 15-minutes, but because you in Hoquiam it only SEEMED like they lasted into the night and next morning.
Could have been worse…could have been Aberdeen or even Montesano.
The Piper
Seen on a bumper sticker on a Honda with Kentucky plates:
“Monica Lewinsky’s X-Boyfriend’s Wife for President”
Has anyone asked Monica who her Prexy pick is for this year? For whom will she stain her ballot?
The Piper
@27…RR…
No, the worst punishment is to be you!
The Piper
puddy@31….yup, i remember well. too bad the fools on here have such short memories. but…oh well…they at least got their most precious wish. complete separation of church and state. isn’t that what you wanted peeps?
i wonder what those orthodox jews in new york think now?
and mark….heh heh heh heh…smartest woman in the world also showed everyone that has a brain cell that she hates ANYONE that gets in her way…especially if you are non white.so i guess that’s why the liberals on HA are so surprised by everything…..
did either of you watch the classic video of frank luntz’ focus group of democrats after the debate last night? it was a classic. especially when a latino man said something along the lines of “most of these people [in the culinary union] are latino and they aren’t voting for obama.” and frank asked why? and the guy just hemmed and hawed….and was too uncomfortable to answer.but anyone living in a western state with large hispanic populations can tell you.the reality in the west ,especially, is that hispanics are not going to vote for a black man or woman…it’s just not going to happen. and what’s more…the clintons know this……
and seattlejew…..don’t you get it yet? the clinton machine is going to squash the vote of jews as fast as they can. hey…who are YOU supporting? it isn’t hillary, right? how about all the other jews you know? uh huh…it’s a thinker alright.
sheesh………
hey puddy…thanks for the link to the cartoon. what do you think about it? one of my employees is black and he thought it smacked of the “magic….” comment…..or a syrup bottle. his words…not mine.
hey mark…have none of these “big thinkers” on here figured out why they should all want to be “rednecks” yet?
Seventh Day Adventists worship on Saturdays too!
37 Monica Lewinsky (or whatever name she was born with) seems to be “unavailable for comment” nowadays, even as the Rovian echo machine starts to rumble with echoes of Fellatiogate in anticipation of Hillary being the Democratic nominee.
It wouldn’t surprise me a whole lot if she’s off somewhere living a life of unspeakable luxury as a reward for her having played the role of “little drummer girl”.
It also wouldn’t surprise me if she were at the bottom of the Potomac wearing a nice pair of cement mukluks.
Then again, there isn’t much that surprises me anymore.
guess who’s coming to humboldt county today?
BILL CLINTON.
anything you want me to ask him seattle jew?
now, why on earth would he be coming to a “nothing place” [HA poster’s comment] like humboldt county?
i’m guessing he must need alot of herb[al] remedies to be able to stand hillary’s fake laugh.
Looking for humboldt honeys, perhaps?
Piper
I attended a couple of seders during my mostly misspent youth. I found the traditions, going back so far, to be fascinating. Such connection to history provides context for contemporary issues in the Mideast. I thought the food sucked, but that was not really the point. I would highly recommend you attend one.
the clinton machine is going to squash the vote of jews as fast as they can
This and much more demonstrate that ghost is among the craziest wingnuts we’ve seen here. I don’t think even PSilly can hold a candle to this lunacy.
GOP Congressman With Al Qaeda Ties Arrested For Terrorism
“WASHINGTON (AP) – A former congressman … was indicted Wednesday on charges of working for an alleged terrorist fundraising ring that sent more than $130,000 to an al-Qaida supporter who has threatened U.S. and international troops in Afghanistan.
“Mark Deli Siljander, a Michigan Republican …, was charged with money laundering, conspiracy and obstructing justice for allegedly lying about being hired to lobby senators on behalf of an Islamic charity that authorities said was secretly sending funds to terrorists.
“The 42-count indictment, unsealed in U.S. District Court in Kansas City, Mo., accuses the Islamic American Relief Agency of paying Siljander $50,000 … stolen from the U.S. Agency for International Development. … The indictment alleges that IARA also employed a fundraising aide to Osama bin Laden ….
“Siljander was elected to Congress … with the support of fundamentalist Christian groups, and said … he won because ‘God wanted me in.’ … In all, Siljander, IARA and five of its officers were charged with various counts of theft, money laundering, aiding terrorists and conspiracy.”
Quoted under fair use; for complete story and/or copyright info see http://news.aol.com/story/_a/e.....4909990055
Roger Rabbit Commentary: Don’t worry, a little waterboarding will get names and particulars out of this asshole.
Another sterling example of how Republicans “support the troops” …
47 – I take that back. PIdiot’s smearing of Dems with his “Eugenics” bullshit has to take the cake for the looniest thinking of all.
Sad. Such a loser.
@50 What do you expect from a supporter of a political party whose members funnel money and guns to Osama bin Laden?
Michael:
Seventh Day Baptists too.
Pelletizer@50: Yeah, Charlie Wilson gets a pass and has a movie made about him…
Eugenics_Project(YLB):
Your comments alone prove you can’t read, or as I suspect don’t want to read it because your poor party you so love held these views. Heilery wants to take you back to those views. If the liberal MSM actually did it’s job, this would be well known. You need to do a study of turn of the century Progressives.
Does the truth scare you Eugenics_Project(YLB)? Try and refute the facts. Come on. We’d love to see the man who can’t correctly create a spreadsheet figger this out. Look up your beloved Oliver Wendell Homes. Check out T.S. Eliot. Go ahead make my day Eugenics_Project(YLB).
“In the 1920s, the National Education Association’s Committee on Racial Well-Being sponsored programs to help college teachers integrate eugenic content in their courses.”
Go ahead Eugenics_Project(YLB). Can you dig it?
You are so ignorant it’s scary.
@53 I take it you were rooting for the Soviets in those days?
Eugenics_Project(YLB): Look up these guys: Henry H. Goddard and A. Edward Wiggam. Some places have it Edward A. Wiggam.
In fact it was Henry H. Goddard identified your species in the Homo sapiens with a new word –
M O R O N!
http://www.associatedcontent.c.....acism.html
Pelletizer@55: No that’d be the Eugenics_Project(YLB)
@29 Christmas ghost and other reprican idiotten
For whatever it is worth to you, worldwide and in Israel the majority of US SUPPORT a Palestinian state. Indeed that was one of the founding Zionist goals.
Why wa sit not achieved .. look in as mirror. Relgious fundies, some of them Jewish, have fucked the goose.
Keep on typing your nonsense from the rubber room PSilly man.
I’m going to keep on talking about the failure and corruption of your wretched party.
Xmas’ghost
You need a procedure. Proceed to the nearest healthcare institute. You will find that most of the staff are Jews, Blacks and Indians. If that is NOT the case, the place is probably no fucking good.
Anyhow, tell them I said you want procedure 25 done. They may ask you if you realize how much this may change your life. Just say yes, followed by // “I have seem the error of my ways.”
Let me know how it comes out.
@43…AF…
No truth to the rumor that she’s been “dating” in the Biblical sense one of the leaders among the HA Happy Hooligans?
Steam cleaning recommended and par boiling…
The Piper
It may be worth noting that Ghost lives in an area of California that’s equivalent to southeastern Oregon, the west side of Orcas Island or the Canadian Okanogan.
These areas tend to be havens for slightly dotty middle-aged people whose unique perceptions of reality had previously caused them severe difficulty in getting along with their neighbors elsewhere.
@52
Didn’t know there was such a thing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seventh_Day_Baptist
Gregoire: Living large is no longer an option
By Andrew Garber and Ralph Thomas
Seattle Times staff reporters
PREV of NEXT
ELAINE THOMPSON / AP
Gov. Christine Gregoire wants to save $1.2 billion of a projected $1.4 billion surplus in the state’s two-year $33 billion budget adopted last year.
OLYMPIA — The state’s big spending days are over — at least for now, Gov. Christine Gregoire told lawmakers on Tuesday, urging them to sock away money for a possible recession.
When donks say this, there must be an election around the corner. hehehehe
Darryl,
My feelings are hurt. I have never been deleted before.
The good news is that MTR and Puddy can’t complain about liberals never getting deleted.
Jews are still taking it in the shorts.
And, personally, the post was fine. To each his own.
What’s wrong with those dumb clucks? Don’t they check their calendars before scheduling stuff? EVERY calendar in my house marks Passover. I think they should just do it Sunday afternoon or evening – wait NO! All the Christians might be offended or they might just have to miss a football game.
Not like Passover happens on a monthly or weekly basis. As an agnostic myself, I still find this action offensive, disrespectful, and deliberately disenfranchising!
There is an on-line letter to Dwight Pelz, Chairman Washington State Democratic Central Committee, asking them to reschedule the convention. I’ve signed and also plan to call Pelz tomorrow during business hours. Christians would be up in arms if this type of stunt happened on Christmas Eve, look at all the rage because they couldn’t have “Christmas Trees” at the airport this last holiday season! Unnecessary and uncalled for!
http://movetheconvention.com/index.php
Ms FricknFrack: I wish I could feel sorry for ya, but that’s your party.
Eugenics_Project(YLB): Truth is truth. Sorry you can follow historical truths.
Keep proving you were a missed Eugenics_Project(YLB).
Michael@63:
Church of God (Seventh Day)
My Left Foot @ 65,
“My feelings are hurt. I have never been deleted before.”
Nothing personal, my friend. I deleted Mark the Thief’s attempt to hijack the thread, and it required me to delete any responses to his comment as well.
My advice is to simply avoid responding to off-topic comments in fresh threads.
seattlejew@58………
“For whatever it is worth to you, worldwide and in Israel the majority of US SUPPORT a Palestinian state. Indeed that was one of the founding Zionist goals.”
i am not talking about supporting a palestinian state. don’t be such a wet smack. i am talking about the marchers in san fran that were calling for israel to be wiped off the face of the earth.
wow…you don’t get out much do you?
they were liberal progressive dems.wrap your mind around that.
and this GEM from you……..
“You will find that most of the staff are Jews, Blacks and Indians. If that is NOT the case, the place is probably no fucking good.”
does the udub know how racist and bigoted you are? do you even realize what a ridiculous and bigoted remark that is?
i didn’t realize that a person’s color, religion, or country of origin is what made them a competent physician…..because, oh that’s right…it doesn’t.
do you realize that you sound just like one of hitler’s ad men?
gee….and with this comment in mind…..i wonder why bill and hillary are going to make sure you don’t vote? honey, anyone with a brain KNOWS how you are going to vote…..you are going to prove how “enlightened” you are.
not really…but you think it works that way. you aren’t supporting obama because he’s talented and experienced [he’s not] but because of his color and race alone.
and how sad is that, mr. enlightened professor?
Heilery wants to take you back to those views.
Such is the wailing and cries of the street corner loon. It’s too sad for words.
Stay the way you are Eugenics_Project(YLB) – clueless and stupid.
You make my life so easy.
Are YOU Better Off Than You Were 7 Years Ago?
Since Bush took office, America’s share of the world’s gross economic output has fallen from 31% to less than 28%, and NYSE’s and NASDAQ’s share of the world’s stock market capitalization has fallen from 48% to less than 32%.
Source: Newsweek http://www.newsweek.com/id/94710
@72 ChristmasGhost
1. so you are not taking my well meant advice about getting help. Too bad.
2. If you want t LEARN why I supprt BHO go to SJ where there is a lot on that topic. FWIW, I think he is the only TRUE conservative in the race on the demo side. On the repo side it is worse, McCain is a long time hero of mine but at 73 he would not be running and if he wre to win what would he do for a political party?
3. If you are nto supporting BHO, then tell me why? he seems to me to be a lot closer to real conservatove ideals than anyone in Rep party. Maybe he should run in both parties at the same time? Would you vote for him if he changed his party brand?
4. I obvioulsy dislike the antiemites you refer to, but I have trouble understanding why you consider them progressive democrats. How about Hamas .. are they rep or dem?
ghost @ 72
I know that Humboldt County weed really ranks among the best. But, the best of tokers know that shutting thine mouths sometimes is the best route to follow. Quit inhaling before posting, my dear. Did you know that I rank Puddybud’s opinion’s before yours?
Roger Rabbit says:
Are YOU Better Off Than You Were 7 Years Ago?
That is easy, I am way better off. Only a looser would be worse off. No wonder you dems hate the last 7 years.
Eunuch @ 78
What the fuck is a “looser”? And, by the way, your wage increase in the past years is due to a Democratic Congress having increased the minimum wage. You should give thanks where thanks is due.
How Romney Won Michigan
By promising jobs he can’t deliver.
http://www.time.com/time/polit.....84,00.html
http://www.newsweek.com/id/81826
The truth is, if jobs is YOUR issue, you should vote Democratic because Democrats ALWAYS do better at delivering jobs:
Jobs Records of Presidents
(new jobs as percentage of total workforce)
Democrat Roosevelt 5.3%
Democrat Johnson 3.8%
Democrat Carter 3.1%
Democrat Truman 2.5%
Democrat Clinton 2.4%
Democrat Kennedy 2.3%
Republican Nixon 2.2%
Republican Reagan 2.1%
Republican Coolidge 1.1%
Republican Ford 1.1%
Republican Eisenhower 0.9%
Republican Bush Sr. 0.6%
Republican Bush Jr. (0.7%) (through 2003)
Republican Hoover (9.0%)
Now let’s look at Monkeyface’s jobs record. According to the current issue of Barron’s, a conservative weekly investors’ magazine, 89% of the “new jobs” in 2007 resulted from a statistical adjustment — not real people working in actual jobs. If you subtract out that controversial math hocus-pocus, the economy lost jobs last year. As it has every year since Monkeyface stole the White House. Why? It’s obvious — Republicans just don’t care about workers. In fact, they like high unemployment because it gives bosses more power, weakens unions, and forces workers to accept lower pay.
So — Romney can promise jobs (that he can’t deliver) all he wants, but at the end of the day, people who want jobs will vote Democratic. In Romney’s case, the jobs talk is nothing but a hot air balloon, and voters will soon see through it. As the multimillionaire son of a multimillionaire who’s never had to worry about finding employment or putting food on the table, Romney knows nothing about workers or working, and this self-financed presidential campaign — who is a candidate only because of his inherited name and fat wallet — will deflate faster than last week’s helium birthday party balloon when voters figure out he wouldn’t know how to find a bus stop if one fell on him.
@78 Of course you’re better off — 7 years ago, you weren’t even a zygote, much less a voting fraud felon! And 7 years from now, you won’t even be that, as you will have returned to the dust you came from. The sooner, the better! Think about it, dog: The last thing you’re going to see in this world is a veterinarian snapping on a pair of plastic gloves and smiling at you as he picks up the syringe. If you’re lucky, you might even get a little pat on the head before he deep-sixes you. Go drown yourself in your flea dip.
Rabbit @ 80
I am unsure why I would seek answers from a creature that hops. Your post, however, would suggest that if I don’t have a job, but really want to work, a Democrat as President is who I should vote for, is that what you’re saying?
Democrats Pass Mine Safety Bill; Bush Threatens Veto
Republicans just don’t care about workers; they care only about profits — even if it’s blood money.
“(WASHINGTON) — Defying White House veto threats, the Democrat-controlled House on Wednesday passed sweeping mine safety legislation aimed at preventing future underground disasters like the one that took nine lives last year at Crandall Canyon mine in Utah. …
“‘Congress has been forced to act … because of the Bush administration’s total failure … to keep miners safe on the job,’ said Rep. George Miller, D-Calif., chairman of the House Education and Labor Committee. …
“The legislation would add safeguards to ‘retreat’ mining, … improve emergency response to mine sites … require … tracking technology, … [and require] operators … to reduce miners’ exposure to coal dust, which causes black-lung disease.
“The bill also would give the federal Mine Safety and Health Administration subpoena authority; increase penalties for safety violations; place it completely in control of a rescue site, … create an ombudsman’s office to handle miners’ safety complaints … [and] allow for independent investigations when more than one miner is killed in an accident.”
“‘We need to have a country and a government that values the lives of the miners as much as they value what they bring out of the ground,’ said Rep. John Yarmuth, D-Ky.
“The margin of victory in the House would not be enough to override the veto threatened Tuesday by the Bush administration.”
Quoted under fair use; for complete story and/or copyright info see http://www.time.com/time/polit.....90,00.html
Why would any president veto this bill? Who could be against coal mine safety? American voters face a clear choice: Vote for responsibility, or vote for bullshit.
With Republicans in, all you get is bullshit. Therefore, what this country needs is not only a Democratic Congress, but a thorough housecleaning of Congress to further reduce the population of obstructionists, regressives, and troglodytes until Democrats have filibuster-proof majorities. Only then will the lives of American workers be safe.
79 Keep in mind that you’re dealing here with a mutt that no doubt suffers brain damage from eating lead-enriched doggie yummies from China.
The 2008 Presidential Caucus will be on Sunday Febuary 10th. -In Maine- not in Washington State. Why have we NEVER held a party meeting on Sunday in our State? They do it in Maine.
Democrats Open Investigation of Jarvik Ads
“WASHINGTON — House Democrats are investigating whether consumers are being misled by advertisements for Lipitor …. In the ads, … Dr. Robert Jarvik talks about the benefits of … the world’s best-selling medication. Michigan Reps. John Dingell and Bart Stupak sent a letter to Pfizer Monday, questioning Jarvik’s credibility. ‘In the ads, Dr. Jarvik appears to be giving medical advice, but … he has never obtained a license to practice or prescribe medicine,’ the lawmakers state.”
Quoted under fair use; for entire article and/or copyright info see http://www.thestate.com/nation/story/278107.html
According to Wikipedia, Jarvik received an M.D. degree from the University of Utah in 1976, but “did not complete an internship or residency and has never been licensed to practice medicine.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Jarvik
Roger Rabbit Commentary: Lipitor is a statin, a class of drugs that has come under fire recently because of questions about their effectiveness and safety. However, don’t expect either meaningful regulation of the drug industry or enforcement action against companies that run misleading ads under a Republican administration that believes the best form of government is a corporate CEO doing whatever he pleases. Ever since the GOP’s trained monkey took over a stolen White House 7 years ago the reliability and safety of food, drugs, and even toys has gone steadily downhill. That’s because Republicans don’t give a damn about consumers, they only care about corporate profits. Their answer to dangerous products is to take away your right to sue the company that kills or injures you or your loved ones. Responsible voters don’t vote Repoublican, or let their friends and family vote Republican! The only way to solve this problem is to completely purge Republicans from all positions of power.
@88 Yeah, that’s a good idea — and it would also keep church-going fundies from sneaking into our caucuses and pretending to be Democrats.
There’s a lot of that going around these days. In fact, it’s getting hard to find anyone who even calls himself a “Republican” anymore. What you get instead is candidates like McGavick (who omitted his party affiliation from his campaign ads) and Satterberg (who campaigned as a “nonpartisan” candidate). The GOP brand name is tarnished, you see.
Even on this board, you see a lot of wingnut trolls putting “Democrat” in their screen names, and claiming to be Democrats in their spews. They just don’t want to admit being what they are — Republicans. Ted Bundy was a Republican, you see. So are many other prison inmates.
Nowadays, admitting they’re Republicans is like showing up for a PTSA meeting in biker garb — it impairs their credibility, you see.
Well, we don’t want any fucking Republicans in our caucuses! Church is a better place for them. They need all the church they can get. (Not that any of them ever listened to a preacher or actually understood the words they read in the Bible, or ever will.) I’d much rather have them standing in a barn somewhere, closing their eyes and lowering their heads, raising their arms, and praying for the Rapture to take them, than polluting our caucuses with their presence.
@87 All the more reason to put it out of its misery as soon as possible.
GOP insiders are now openly discussing the possibility of a deadlocked convention.
“In the major contests so far – Iowa, New Hampshire and Michigan – three different Republicans have finished first. If former Tennessee Sen. Fred Thompson scores the win he hopes for in South Carolina on Saturday, he would be the fourth first-place finisher. Likewise, former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani could be the fifth winner in the five contests if he proves wise in picking Florida’s Jan. 29 primary as his first big stand. …
“The GOP process could go ‘right up to the point that we don’t have a … candidate with enough … votes to win’ the nomination when the conventions start, said Herbert Schoenbohm, Republican Party chairman for the Virgin Islands.”
http://www.time.com/time/world.....85,00.html
Here We Go Again …
“A new InsiderAdvantage/Majority Opinion poll in South Carolina … has Obama with a double-digit lead over Clinton and Edwards.
“Obama won all the age groups under 65; carried Republicans, Democrats and independents; and carried blacks with 61%, compared to 17% for Clinton.
“Obama 41
“Clinton 31
“Edwards 13”
http://time-blog.com/real_clear_politics/
Roger Rabbit Commentary: Let’s say Obama goes into S. Carolina with strong leads in the polls over Clinton and Edwards, but the actual result flips to one of those other candidates — as it did in New Hampshire. That would call into question both the accuracy of the polls and the credibility of Obama’s candidate power, wouldn’t it? The upshot is Obama can’t afford another New Hampshire — if the polls show him far ahead, he MUST win in S. Carolina, and if he doesn’t his candidacy is in trouble, because Democrats all over the country will distrust the polls and doubt his electability.
Getting only 13% in S. Carolina would, I think, just about finish off Edwards. This isn’t necessarily a must-win for him, but he needs a strong showing, or it will be hard to see a rationale for continuing.
@94 RR
I don’t know. After Obama and Clinton (and their supporters & the Rove crowd) finish tearing each other to shreds, Edwards might be the only one left standing. I think Edwards scares the crap out of the lobbyists and the ‘business as usual’ crowd. That’s why the press keeps pointedly ignoring him. He’s been outspent 5-to-1 IIRC, yet still at the top third. Truly BUGS me that the media is trying to make the selections here, just like the media selectively beat the war drums that sent us to Iraq to fetch all them WMD (that shrub told them was there). Why not let the VOTERs decide whom they want in this campaign?
I hope Edwards keeps hanging in there. There are more states than the few who have voted. I think the Feb 5th Super Tuesday might be a better reflection of where he stands, and that’s not really so far in the future, considering how long this race has been in the running already.
Feb 5th, per http://www.cbsnews.com/stories.....4300.shtml
Alabama
Alaska
American Samoa (D)
Arizona
Arkansas
California
Colorado
Connecticut
Delaware
Democrats Abroad** Georgia
Idaho (D)
Illinois
Kansas (D)
Mass.
Minnesota
Missouri
Montana (R)
New Jersey
New Mexico (D)
New York
North Dakota
Oklahoma
Tennessee
Utah
West Virginia (R)
Roger ..
Does anyone really prefer Bill Clinton as First Lady to Michelle Obama?
Has anyone even SEEN or heard from Laura Bush in Months? Where IS the lady while her husband holds hands with all them sheiks? Saw him doing the handholding again in Sunday’s fishwrapper.
@97 Did you see the piece a few months ago about the Bush’s retirement home in the emirates? Since the decision to buy property in Bidet, UAE, Laura has become interested in Islam and now understands her position ..at least within Arabia .. differently. As Bush’s wife, once they move to the new place ina Muslim country, she needs to be very carefu of her pubic appearances.
Roger Rabbit says: Are YOU Better Off Than You Were 7 Years Ago?
Yes, Pelletizer by last estimates ~$80K year better in a slow year! It all depends on the career you choose. Some choose guvmint, others choose the man, others become the man!
Et tu guvmint cheeze freeloader?
RR at 75: “Are you better off than you were 7 years ago?”
Just a reminder that if you invested in the Dow Jones Industrial Averages, you would have lost 5.3% (-5.3%) over the seven years of the Bush presidency. And the trend is downward.
Considering that most experts expect the stock market to grow an average of nine to ten percent a year, not LOSE money over a SEVEN YEAR PERIOD, that is an incredible indictment of the Bush economics program, as it relates to the nation as a whole.
Compared with previous (recent) Presidents:
Clinton (8 years) + 304.94%
Reagan (8 years) + 135.13%
Bush I (4 years) + 45.57%
Carter (4 years) – 0.87%
Bush II (7 years) – 5.39%
A couple of years ago, when I first started coming to this board, some of the wingnuts would post praises for Bush everytime the market jumped up a tick or two (but would be noticably quiet when it dropped back down). Notice you don’t hear much cheering from them over the past year?
I know that markets can be volitale for quite a few reasons, so normally I don’t make a big deal out of any increase or decease over a few days or weeks or months. But over SEVEN YEARS????
@99 so are you the MAN???
What do yoo make money from? Selling cheap Chinese toys? Korean automobiles? Time shares in Nigerian haciendas? eb porn, Drugs?
Can;t be the stockmarket, in real dollars that is down down down.
Just in case on of us less enlightened folk want to get into your business too!
@100
You should modify this to Euroes. ..Clinton is about 300% but Bush II is – 30%
Curiously, the Winged repricans seem blissfully unaware that Rubins fiscally conservative policies were so effective. I find it awesome to read that they consider Bushie a fiscal conservationsist >grin>.
SeattleJew: Steve,
I told everyone on this board my bidness. I only mention my stuff once. I even delivered some URLs for diagrams. JSA can attest to my mental acumen in my bidness. He publicly thanked me here on HorsesASSHoles much to the chagrin of the Dull Knifes and others. I have been doing my bidness for a while and God has blessed me greatly. I give all glory and honor to the Master of the Universe and it’s Creator. Maybe that’s why He allows me to succeed and opens doors for me to succeed! Remember Malachi Chapter 3? Remember Him in Tithes and Offerings and He’ll open the storehouses of heaven.
Since I see you tried selling cheap Chinese toys? Korean automobiles? Time shares in Nigerian haciendas? Web porn (fixed the typo)? Drugs? and you didn’t do too well, I guess it sucks to be you!
BTW SeattleJew, I didn’t capitalize the man. You did. The MAN is in the 3rd Heaven, 2 Cor 12:2, but you don’t believe in the New Testament correct?
SeattleJew: May I suggest NSA, Shaklee, Mary Kay, AmWay, etc. They have a new show on Discovery Channel – Flipping Houses. You know flipping, what you do to us on the right every time you post here.
I used to “flip houses”, on a part-time basis, if you want to use that term to buy troubled properties which you remodel and resell. I quit about two years ago, when the TV shows came out and everybody thought they could make a bundle doing it. Drove the prices up, and most didn’t know how to do it right, now lots of those people are in foreclosure. Hint: don’t get involved unless you know how to do most of the work yourself – you may well find that’s the only way you can get it done. Fortunately, my grandfather was a carpenter, and my father crew up “pounding nails”, and I helped a couple of friends build their houses, so I picked up a bit about construction along the way.
The shows can be entertaining, though, in a “Darwin Awards” sort of way. One newbie couple was walking through a modest 1950’s rambler as the contractor was advising them to install marble countertops, upscale tile floors, move interior walls a few feet in one direction or another, replace all the windows, etc. They told him to go ahead and start the next day – no discussion shown about how much any of that was going to cost! I turned it off at that point – I have my limits when it comes to watching a train wreck which is about to happen.
I give it another few months for the market to sort itself out, unless I happen to find a bank-foreclosed property which is too good to pass up in the meantime.
rhp6033: Interesting. You have a varied background. We need to break bread sometime.
roger@89……..you are right about the statin drugs. they are very dangerous and those “rare” side effects are not rare either. they will soon be pulling these drugs. expect many, many lawsuits over it.
as for your comments that it’s because of the republicans….don’t be so dense. do you really think they have a turn over at the FDA every time a president gets elected and they only hire people that are from that party? do you see how stupid that sounds? you really don’t understand the FDA or any other government agency yet you scream constantly about them. the most amusing part? you WANT national health care….what a fool. don’t you realize who would be doing that?
yep…it’s another thinker for roger alright………..
these people are professional trough feeders and there is very little turnover in that department.but you of all people should understand that, right?
ChristmasGhost: We already went over this with one of their Adminsitrators, remember?
Pelletizer, the tool he is, does not remember these things even when he participates.
#101 Gee Puddy
So Hashem likes you? You the Deity’s fave, hunh? You are oen lucky MAN.
@ my 67 post:
… Dwight Pelz, Chairman Washington State Democratic Central Committee, asking them to reschedule the convention. I’ve signed and also plan to call Pelz tomorrow during business hours… “
http://movetheconvention.com/i ndex.php
I doubt anyone will come back to read this, off & on to newer stuff, but I called Pelz’s office today. Lady was pleasant and when I said I was calling about the caucus convention, she immediately said “OH YEAH!” Sounds like they have received many calls.
Told her I thought it was a slap in the face, and I’m not even Jewish. She told me they have scheduled a meeting on Jan 25th, with the intention of changing the date. Said it was simply a mistake, that people just didn’t look at their calendars. I asked if, next year, does she suppose people will remember to look at their calendars? She gave an exasperated sounding “OH YEAH!” (I’m sure it is exasperating for her to be the person stuck answering all the calls!) Was worth the effort to call though, IMO, just to make sure this doesn’t happen again.
@108
You must be blowing the hard stuff Xmas creep, No, the stains will not be withdrawn. I am not a big fan but their safety is pretty clear,
Though marijuana is even safer.
For sethin really dangerous, try eating a grilled hamburger or a chicken salad sandwich .. or taking health store vitamins.
seattlejew….you are not in a position to judge this one my dear. the statins will be pulled very soon…and good riddance. amusing that in order for you to make your “point” you must go to a personal attack. that’s just sad.
you are about as qualified as “dr.” jarvik,……….
FWIW
There are issues with the statins but not the kind of issues that lead to withdrawal or a drug. I work in this area and have a number of concerns about the statins, nonetheless I have seen no data that would block their use… while I suppose it is possible that there is a surprise somewhere, I do not see anything that would lead to their being withdrawn.
seattlejew………there is a big surprise coming. the real data. the “rare” side effects were not rare at all. and much of the damage that the side effects cause is permanent. this is going to be a very costly problem for the companies. but, frankly, i think they deserve what they get on this one. the statins are over prescribed very very dangerous drugs with very little upside.
didn’t you ever wonder why they couldn’t even get a real doctor or researcher to pimp these things? jarvik? what a tool he is…….
Again,
I think I know theissue you are discussing, in fact it effected me. I am also geenrally a skeptic on this class of drugs BUT, the effects I know of are not going to produce any major FDA action. Indeed there are more than few folks who want statins adopted as vitamins.
seattlejew…the people you know that want statins as vitamins? seriously? what? have they been taking statins and it destroyed their brains to that degree?
when you said that it affected you, are you saying that you were taking them and had a bad reaction?
i am a huge skeptic of the whole cholesterol will kill you crap…period. it’s just not as simple as that [as i am sure you are aware] but people in america want to be able to take a pill to cure everything. there are no free rides…always a down side to everything.what will kill you is inflammation….as you know. what so many people don’t realize is how important cholesterol is to the human body. why, we couldn’t function without it.
diet ,exercise and natural cholesterol controls are more effective and much safer.
but, trust me on this….you will soon see the statins in the same class as other fab drugs that were going to save the world….such as vioxx.and that is exactly where they belong.
if people wanted to be healthy they would exercise, eat well, try to avoid stress [stress is a bigger killer than cholesterol any day],take aspirin [and avoid tylenol for god’s sake!!!] and LAUGH more. after that it’s up to your genes……..
i am interested in your experience with statins.
SJ….you and i both know that the FDA is a toothless old dog that reacts as fast as a dead lizard and is about as flexible as cement.two of the boobs i have fired have ended up there. we are talking about “scientists” that can’t keep their data straight. one of them, an east indian, could never reproduce any data he first produced. does that tell you anything?
my experience with the FDA and CDC have convinced me beyond a shadow of a doubt that the worst thing any of us could wish for is national health care. it would make a free clinic in the tenderloin look like the mayo clinic.
this isn’t a liberal/ conservative thing either. this is a human thing. you know what i am talking about……..
@117 Take a lok at this weeks Business Week for a rather antis statin story.
I am rather well known as a crtic of the statins but your comments go far beyond reason.
First: As the articvle says, NOONE disputes that the statins have a good effect on coronary artery disease and longevity. The issue is whether the benefit is worth costs. What may startle you is that this is purely a socialist issue. With social medicine, the Canadians have asked whether the cost to society of buying these drugs is worth the benefit as compared with other cardiovascular health approaches .. form diet etc. to angioplasty. In the US we (still) have choice and, yes advertising. Most US folks,knowing that statins are likely ,to increase their life spans will want the drug even if the benefit is small.
2. What is “natural” Unfortunately there is nothing natural in humans living much beyond 50. These wierd diets folks choose to make them live longer are no more natural tham eating Purina chow or McDs.
3, So yo thihnk aspirin is OK? I do too but it is nit in any way natural.
Persoanlly, knowing what I d know, I would go back on the statins if it were not that I had muscle wasting (never proven t be statin caused)..
4, VIOX was never found harmful. As iy happens I reviewed the evidence for a lawyer (Merck). My summary, was tghat VIOXX is a very useable drug and it sucks that people who can benefit from it are now deprived. The risk, was real, but not unexpected and easily managed.
Actually, my experience with both the FDA and the CDC are 180 degrees oposite ot your own . I do think the FD could do better but the politics makies that unlikely.
seattlejew….don’t you think that as a researcher it is your DUTY to inform the FDA [formally] of your experience with the statin drugs?
“Persoanlly, knowing what I d know, I would go back on the statins if it were not that I had muscle wasting (never proven t be statin caused)..”
so…IF it wasn’t the statins then why aren’t you back on them? come on!
doctors know almost nothing about all the new drugs that are constantly coming on the market. one of my friends developed the muscle wasting and he was actually told by his doc that it must be the childhood polio “coming back”…oh, please.yup…couldn’t be the statins right?
and in your case? what …you suddenly developed a strange muscle wasting disease that no one can diagnose after taking statins and it has nothing to do with statins because old [fake] dr. jarvik tells you so?
you know better than this. let me guess…lipitor?
there is nothing uncommon or rare about the side effects and the FDA knows this perfectly well.
but why worry…after all it’s only your heart that you have to worry about. it’s “just” a muscle too…….
let me guess…you also experienced tiredness, foggy thinking and and inability to concentrate….right?
i interviewed over 40 people that had been on the statins and only one of them didn’t have the “rare” symptoms. so you tell me how rare they are.