Former Columbian editorial writer Elizabeth Hovde, now of The Oregonian, introduces herself to Portlanders.
I supported the Iraq invasion in 2003. Heck, I even voted for George W. Bush — twice.
At the same time, I am against torture.
(Slapping forehead.) Okay then. Hovde was so troubled by torture she went ahead and voted for Bush after the Abu Ghraib scandal had been known for six months or so. That’s quite a commitment to human rights.
Like many people in this great, green, soggy region of independents, I am not partisan.
Other than writing far-right columns at The Columbian for a decade, of course, where her work appeared for years along with the likes of Michelle Malkin. People might have somehow formed the impression the editorial page Hovde worked on was intent on being as right-wing as possible. I know I did. But that is entirely and magically separate from the dirty, dirty world of candidates and parties and ugly, dirty partisanship.
But Hovde is honest about her views, if not their ideological origins and the purposes for which they were used.
I am conservative, however. I’m pro-life. I am anti-bailouts. I think unions are outdated, overly political and that every state should have a right-to-work law ending compulsory unionism. I oppose Oregon’s Death With Dignity Act; I oppose even calling it the “Death With Dignity” Act. I am skeptical of some of Portland’s Smart Growth policies and believe they’ve helped create massive sprawl just across the river.
I worry that many public schools teach sex education in ways that undermine parents. It’s maddening to me that minors can’t get tattoos in Oregon but they can receive abortions without a parent’s knowledge, care or guidance. I grow weary of government safety nets that not only comfort those in true need but also become hammocks for those with an ability to be self-sufficient.
Nope, nothing partisan about any of that. I will agree that Portland can be annoying.
Hovde does sort her garbage, though.
I’ll pack out my Diet Coke cans rather than leave them at my in-laws’ house where they don’t recycle.
So there you have it. Sorting one’s beverage containers is the exact moral equivalent of opposing torture, even if you voted for a guy who was pro-torture.
We should all become non-partisan conservatives, it sounds swell. You don’t actually have to identify with anything icky like a political party everyone now hates, and you don’t have to actually take intellectual responsibility for your past advocacy of that party’s main policy stances and propaganda, simply by declaring yourself non-partisan! Very cool.
I’m a non-partisan progressive, by the way. Thought you should know.
Well okay, now that we’ve established the Oregonian’s newest editorial writer is a self-promoting liar, what’s she gonna do for an encore? Write a sex advice column?*
* Republicans know as much about sex as rabbits know about eggs.
Why did the Oregonian hire this reactionary twit? Aren’t they losing readers fast enough? Are they afraid they might survive unless they do something drastic to hasten their paper’s demise? I mean, Oregon isn’t exactly Idaho, and Hovde’s views are more appropriate for, say, Myanmar …
Btw sweetie, you’re not “pro-life” if you’re conservative, because conservatives support policies that kill people.
Hovde has just given us a demonstration that you don’t have to be very smart to be a conservative. All you have to do is memorize some catch phrases and labels, repeat them endlessly, and believe that saying something makes it true.
I bet Hovde would join a union if Mike McGavick acquired the Oregonian and announced all editorial writers and columnists will be paid $2.13 an hour plus tips.
And I want everyone to know John is trying to flood HA with more posts than usual in order to bury his “Nazi” post.
Hate to break it to this knucklehead conservative, but union member ship has declined to 12% of the workforce, how is that working out for the average Joe? I bet she is a great fan of outsourcing, and looks the other way when illegal aliens doing her landscaping and some home repairs but will scream about them if they have the nerve to go to a hospital or God forbid if one of those kids goes to a school nearby. But then again she probably has her rugrat goes to some Christian School that teaches that Jesus Loves you unless you are Gay, Muslim, had an abortion, voted for Obama or a USC Trojan fan.
“All you have to do is memorize some catch phrases and labels, repeat them endlessly, and believe that saying something makes it true.”
Sounds like Obamunists. Hope and change and hope and change hope and change hope and change hope and change hope and change hope and change hope and change hope and change hope and change hope and change…
Catch phrases of republican morons:
Stay the course
Whip Inflation Now
Contract for America
Waterboarding is not torture
We don’t torture
WMDs
Bush doctrine (only a catch phrase for those who know what it means, in what respect Charlie?)
Lower taxes (meaning lower taxes only for the rich)
Less regulation (meaning let the corporations do what they want)
Compassionate conservatism (meaning absolutely nothing)
Democratic slogans:
Hope – because now we can fix the problems the republican caused.
Change: because the worst economic performance since Hoover has created record deficits, record unemployement and the largest depression since the 1930s.
These people are so full of crap that it is coming out of thier eyes,Hence the blindness,not knowing socailism is just an inauguration away.Speaking of change and as if we havn’t seen enough already,Chicago,The most corrupt city in america moving into the white house,And the Clintons moving back in, now that’s change. Hillary gets one more stab to make American march to her tune. This country is about to see change alright,And most will accept it but the majority with any sense,can see right through it.Things may look good for a little while, but don’t expect it to last.When we turn our country over to big government,that will be the day that america wakes up just in time to get in the soupline.1930’s new deal. Someone told me one time,If we dont learn from our past mistakes,history is bound to repeat itself.
Ah the fun nearly begins. I am ordering lots of popcorn so I can sit in front of the TV and watch the events of the 20th unfold. I will uncharacteristically be monitoring the Fake News Service to watch them cry, moan and bitch as the results of their ass-fucking on Nov 4 are complete.
The right wing columnist for a newspaper in Portland or some fake news organization can’t change the fact that America voted and they resoundingly REJECTED the lies of the right. They turned their backs on the failed policy of STUPID and his pal lilDickie. They said being an incompetent republican was unacceptable.
America is LAUGHING at the right wing fools. They are impotent and irrelevant. They mean nothing. They lost everything.
Now I get to enjoy their suffering. Oh how sweet it is!
Eat Drink and be Merry,For 1-20 We awaken to the new deal 2009.
During the 1930’s, America witnessed a breakdown of the
Democratic and free enterprise system as the US fell into the worst
depression in history. The economic depression that beset the United
States and other countries was unique in its severity and its
consequences. At the depth of the depression, in 1933, one American
worker in every four was out of a job. The great industrial slump
continued throughout the 1930’s, shaking the foundations of Western
capitalism.
The New Deal describes the program of US president Franklin D.
Roosevelt from 1933 to 1939 of relief, recovery, and reform. These new
policies aimed to solve the economic problems created by the
depression of the 1930’s. When Roosevelt was nominated, he said, “I
pledge you, I pledge myself, to a new deal for the American people.”
The New Deal included federal action of unprecedented scope to
stimulate industrial recovery, assist victims of the Depression,
guarantee minimum living standards, and prevent future economic
crises. Many economic, political, and social factors lead up to the
New Deal. Staggering statistics, like a 25% unemployment rate, and the
fact that 20% of NYC school children were under weight and
malnourished, made it clear immediate action was necessary.
In the first two years, the New Deal was concerned mainly with
relief, setting up shelters and soup kitchens to feed the millions of
unemployed. However as time progressed, the focus shifted towards
recovery. In order to accomplish this monumental task, several
agencies were created. The National Recovery Administration (NRA) was
the keystone of the early new deal program launched by Roosevelt. It
was created in June 1933 under the terms of the National Industrial
Recovery Act. The NRA permitted businesses to draft “codes of fair
competition,” with presidential approval, that regulated prices,
wages, working conditions, and credit terms. Businesses that complied
with the codes were exempted from antitrust laws, and workers were
given the right to organize unions and bargain collectively. After
that, the government set up long-range goals which included permanent
recovery, and a reform of current abuses. Particularly those that
produced the boom-or-bust catastrophe. The NRA gave the President
power to regulate interstate commerce. This power was originally given
to Congress. While the NRA was effective, it was bringing America
closer to socialism by giving the President unconstitutional powers.
In May 1935 the US Supreme Court, in Schechter Poultry Corporation
V. United States, unanimously declared the NRA unconstitutional on the
grounds that the code-drafting process was unconstitutional.
Another New Deal measure under Title II of the National
Industrial Recovery Act of June 1933, the Public Works Administration
(PWA), was designed to stimulate US industrial recovery by pumping
federal funds into large-scale construction projects. The head of the
PWA exercised extreme caution in allocating funds, and this did not
stimulate the rapid revival of US industry that New Dealers had hoped
for. The PWA spent $6 billion enabling building contractors to employ
approximately 650,000 workers who might otherwise have been jobless.
The PWA built everything from schools and libraries to roads and
highways. The agency also financed the construction of cruisers,
aircraft carriers, and destroyers for the navy.
In addition, the New Deal program founded the Works Projects
Administration in 1939. It was the most important New Deal work-relief
agency. The WPA developed relief programs to preserve peoples skills
and self-respect by providing useful work during a period of massive
unemployment. From 1935 to 1943 the WPA provided approximately 8
million jobs at a cost of more than $11 billion. This funded the
construction of thousands of public buildings and facilities. In
addition, the WPA sponsored the Federal Theater Project, Federal Art
Project, and Federal Writers’ Project providing work for people in the
arts. In 1943, after the onset of wartime prosperity, Roosevelt
terminated the WPA. One of the most well known, The Social Security
Act, created a system of old-age pensions and unemployment insurance,
which is still around today. Social security consists of public
programs to protect workers and their families from income losses
associated with old age, illness, unemployment, or death.
The Fair Labor Standards Act (1938) established a federal
Minimum Wage and maximum-hours policy. The minimum wage, 25 cents per
hour, applied to many workers engaged in interstate commerce. The law
was intended to prevent competitive wage cutting by employers during
the Depression. After the law was passed, wages began to rise as the
economy turned to war production. Wages and prices continued to rise,
and the original minimum wage ceased to be relevant. However, this new
law still excluded millions of working people, as did social security.
However, a severe recession led many people to turn against New Deal
policies. In addition, World War II erupted in September 1939. Causing
an enormous growth in the economy as war goods were once again in
great demand. No major New Deal legislation was enacted after 1938.
The Depression was a devastating event in America, and by regulating
banks and the stock market the New Deal eliminated the dubious
financial practices that had helped precipitate the Great Depression.
However, Roosevelt’s chief fiscal tool, deficit spending, proved to be
ineffective in averting downturns in the economy.
But then again she probably has her rugrat goes to some Christian School that teaches that Jesus Loves you unless you are Gay, Muslim, had an abortion, voted for Obama or a USC Trojan fan.
Well, I’ll give her the last one. Even Jesus must have his limits…
I saw you people – you left-wing, America-hating, terrorist-sympathizing, anti-semites – on the local TV news, marching in Seattle, decked out on your red and white keffiyehs, holding your “Free Gaza” signs. You hypocrites make me sick. So you are against violence, huh? So then where were you the last three years when Hamas launched over 6464 rockets into Israel? Why didn’t protest that?
Charles Krauthammer’s latest column …
As HA Senior Political Analyst, Tenured Commenter, and Elder Statesman, I encourage all of my followers to read it.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....inionsbox1
Harry Reid has a thought.
In fact, in these latter days of conservative decline, being absolutely and resolutely stupid and anti-learning is an advantage within the movement, such as it is.
Goldy, I have an idea for your site. Why not seek out some politician, like Darcy Burner, or Greg Nickels, or even initiative guru Tim Eyman, do a Q and A with them, then post the interview on your blog? You haven’t done that in a while, have you? Maybe you could make an interview with a politician a once a week feature here, like when you used to have a comic on your radio show every Friday.
Anyway, just my two creative and brilliant cents.
Troll:
Your best function on earth seems to be as a representative of how messed up your party has become.
@18
Um, Jim? I’m a Democrat. And no, that’s not a joke. I really am. I guess most people here just aren’t used to seeing an honest and moral one. That’s why you are all confused.
Christiane Amanpour is biased toward the Palestinians. Fire her!
14 T
Hey Troll, I’ve been hearing a lot from the cons lately about “6000 rockets into Israel” etc.
Aren’t you counting the Hezbollah attacks from Southern Lebanon in 2006 (they’re, um, not Hamas)? Do you have a source?
Enquiring minds want to know if you’re full of shit.
And what about Israeli blockading Gaza, blocking fuel, medical supplies, food, and so on (and I am only referring to the blockades in 2005, 2006, 2007, and 2008)? How long are people supposed to watch their children die without doing anything?
14 T
SOmehow, I view you as HA’s Most Deluded Grandiose Death Advocate.
About the total rocket numbers, I was quoting Charles Krauthammer from here: (Second paragraph)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01 /01/AR2009010101780.html?hpid =opinionsbox1
@10 It sucks to lose, doesn’t it?
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What Hovde does not realize is that she is affirmative action in action. Only as a female conservative would she have a column. The line is a lot shorter over there.
As to Watchman on the wall, I could not make it past the first paragraph of blather, but I will point out that FDR made this nation a viable concept in the new industrial age of the 20th century after the paragons of high finance and Republican orthodoxy had previously buried our nation. Our future was truly in doubt, and when he took over, we were truly near a collapse that makes today seem like a walk in the park. He restored our economic viability, won the toughest international war and challenge in our history, and paved the way for our period of prosperity and supremacy.
BTW, I think Troll posted his first idea I can remember agreeing with him on in recent times. I like the interview idea.
@14 What followers? You don’t have any followers.
@19 “I’m a Democrat. And no, that’s not a joke.”
Yes it is, and it’s not even funny, did you notice no one is laughing? (sneer)
Yeah, fire a reporter that can go areas most American Journalists cannot go. Ammanpur might be biased, but it might be a good idea for our networks to have people who were born in some of these hotspots that we face? Typical Right-Wing idea, fire anybody that reports what you do not want to see.
As for the bashing of anybody who did not go into Iraq with us, France might have deserved it, but Canada? France did not hide American Diplomats that made it out of the Tehran Embassy, Canada did, and as the CIA got them out, Canada closed the embassy.(Although since re-opened, but they still have some limits on relations, no direct air links, and they limit diplomatic contact to four areas). It might have been worth keeping closer relations with Canada if they had embassies in countries where we did not. Helping their neighbor was the only good thing the Canadian Government of the time did. It was a Progressive Conservative minority government, but with a few seats short of a majority, so he Prime Minister Clark tried to govern as if there was a majority. 6 months later there was a new election, and a retiring Pierre Trudeau was Prime Minister again.(No time for the Liberals to have had a new convention to pick a new leader. He had to do). One interesting thing at the time, the Liberal Party was willing to support their neighbors as well, in a documentary on this particular, lesser known part of the Hostage Crisis, it was mentioned that at a Question Period in the House of Commons, Trudeau was chastizing Clark for not doing enough to help the Americans(us) out. Clark had to take him aside and tell him what was going on, and he never brought it up again.
http://www.international.gc.ca.....ons-en.asp
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Caper
http://www.wilsoncenter.org/in....._id=116063
http://www.wired.com/wired/arc.....t_cia.html
@23
Really? You actually think that people here consider Charles Krauthammer to be an individual to be taken seriously?
LOL.
@25…TF…
“He (FDR) restored our economic viability…”
Prove it.
The Piper
@28…Lee…
That The Kraut isn’t taken seriously among the HA Happy Hooligans is to his credit. I’m fairly confident that he loses no sleep over that fact.
Remember, the HA Happy Hooligans aren’t taken seriously by anyone.
What you fail to do is discount what he says factually – you simply dismiss him because what he says is inconvenient to the structured unreal reality you have created among the HA Happy Hooligans.
The Piper
@25…TF…
You can start your analysis by reading this.
Then you can row against the current to sustain your myth.
The Piper
Well, think what you like about Krauthammer, what he wrote today is exactly how I think about the Israel/Gaza conflict.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....inionsbox1
Happy Hooligan? then what are you doing here, Piper, you pretentious old stuffed shirt? You should go back to Crosscut where your unwarranted smugness and consecutive cliches better fits the format.
Great Scott Piper :)
Using a leftist university to make your point on FDR.
Remember how yelling loser boy threw a gasket when I recently used UCLA for another argument against leftist pinheads here?
Puddy likes it…
@33…LM…
Thank you very much for reading and mentioning my articles at Crosscut.com – my fan club grows every day!
The Piper
@34…Puddy…
What we can do, we try to do…
BTW…I’d like to make your real-world acquaintance via e-mail. You should be able to find an e-mail address for me through your very thorough source. I have an opportunity I want to present to you.
The Piper
by the way, i assume all you liberals believe in human rights and i would think expect any country that gets aid from the us act in accordnace with our values. so, if you dont believe in torture, and assuming you expect our allies to do the same, what about israel? they get 5 billion a year from us. you think mossad doesnt torture? among the arab world they are the most feard organizatin in the world. no mercy. you think we should give israel aid if they torture? just wondering.
34 – There’s right wing shitheads everywhere including WA State – look at you and the pooper.
Little thing that UCLA piece leaves out – GDP at the end of FDR’s first term was back to where it was in 1929. It took a 25 percent hit during Hoover!
FDR fixed it!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....54409.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....54730.html
Reminds me of the similar rhetorical tactic, “Both parties do it and it has to stop.”
The wingnuts never fail to amaze me. Your economic models are total failures, having once again taken us into the abyss. Hey, in case you did not notice, our financial system FAILED and COLLPSED this fall. Only the activist big Government, so long feared, propped us up. We were headed into the depths of collapse and depression.
Revisionist history is very, very dangerous. That is what you are doing. The revisionism on Vietnam, and our shocking ignorance of the rules of counterinsurgency have dug us a deep hole, militarily, in moral standing around the world, and economically. It is not a harmless exercise.
Now, lets look at just a few items. I don’t have time for too much detail, so lightly once over.
First, Krauthammer. Why do we continue to listen to people who have been wrong on every big issue that faced us this last decade? He called for the invasion of Iraq based on WMD’s. He called every war opponent loony and American haters. He called Al Gore the newest member of the loony left for criticizing Bush and the war, and talking about the myth of global climate change. He called Afghanistan a sideshow. He supported Rummy and Wolfie, and the insane idea that the road to peace runs through Baghdad and Jerusalem. He supported all out war on the Muslim world. He conducted a one man crusade against Obama all year, including citing myths and rumors. He attacked anyone who questioned the “markets above all, deregulatory philosphies of the Reagan to Bush years. I can go on and on. The real question, is what major issue has he been right on, and why do we keep listening to him?
Now, what happened after the ’29 crash?
FDR inherited an economy in total free fall. Banks and our banking system was essentially bankrupt. The unemployment rate touched 30%. Investment houses and sweetheart insider trading, then legal, had destroyed our markets, ala Maden and his Ponzi schemes. Our very survival as a nation was at stake, as our economy had more than cratered, it failed.
During the first administration, the early new deal under FDR restored our banks, cut unemployment by 40%, and helped GDP reach
’28 levels. In ’37’ he aquiesced to the budget cutters and the deficit hawks, and the economy cratered for a year or so. He bounced back to public investment, and especially with lend lease and war spending, the economy bounced back. Retooling industry and getting us back to work was brought about by public investment. Only when we went to war-time spending did we really take off. Uuuhh, thats public investment and stimulus spending.
I love the somewhat childish articles from conservative economists trying to undermine FDR. (Amity Shlaes was truly hilarious today in the Times.) But what they are doing is dangerous. They are trying to set the table for attacks on Obama and real stimulus spending rather than the stupid attempts by Bush to give more tax cuts to the wealthy, that passed as stimulus.
As long as Barack stays the course, we will prove once and for all who is right. As for who is wrong, I suggest you just look around. It becomes very clear. We now have empiricalk evidence that cannot be denied.
I just finished “The Predator State” by James Galbraith, and “Depression economics,” by Paul Krugman. Try giving these a read and tell me about how public investment and stimulus did not head us out of the depression.Follow the Krugman blog if you want to read dissections of the sheer idiocy of the anti-new deal economists. I see that Mitch McConnell is asking people to sign up on some website to express opposition to public stimulus and public investment. I am sure he will get quality peer reviewed whackos to help bolster his cause.
Ohh, and if you need some lessons on how the war was won, I can’t help you tonite.
Revisonism is a very dangerous road. Ignoring history, reality, and truth, is part of Einstein’s definition of insanity. It also defines the Bush legacy and the modern conservative movement.
America has heard all the bullshit spewed over and over by the right. The right wing failures who post here offering the limp, ineffective, rejected crap that fuels the right are lame laughing stocks.
On Nov 4 America decided the GOP is full of shit. The country resoundingly repudiated the crap you see from the fools who represent the right on this blog and elsewhere. They have been rejected, denied and destroyed. They are nothing. They are worse than nothing.
On Jan 20th, they will cry – they will bow – and they will realize how badly they have been beaten when a black man – a Democratic LIBERAL black man shows just how weak these right wing idiots really are.
I will be laughing at the poor, impotent fools on the right as we Democrats continue to make fun of them while bending them over and fucking them in the ass.
It doesn’t matter that the right wing fools say we are Commies or terrorists or anything else. WE WON – THE GOP LOST. Deal with it you little fools. Your lies didn’t work. Oh the shame you must feel. The shame…
Your a sad little being.
“The forgotten man” read it.
Amazing how yelling loser boy accepts crap from HuffPo when he wants to use it in an insipid argument yet will reject the same source when the facts hurt his single celled brain.
Too funny…
Good lord that woman’s a idiot.
Sorry Hon, it’s not good enough to yourself a non-partisan independent, yeah, you actually have to act like one.
I don’t necessarily disagree with the quote. But, I understand that the laws are the way so that girls aren’t forced to carry pregnancies to term against their will, so that they don’t try to abort the baby themselves or the “back alley” route, windup out on the street or getting the shit beaten out of them by a pissed off parent.
Maybe Ms. Hovde thinks teens who get pregnant are sluts that deserve to get hit? That view point wasn’t at all uncommon not all that long ago.
@19
Do us a favor and switch sides.
@10
Looks like we’ve got a live one!
Btw. it’s socialism not socailism and that long skinny bar at the bottom of you keyboard, that’s your space bar.
@21
Israeli data:
http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Terr.....g+2007.htm
And what about Israeli blockading Gaza, blocking fuel, medical supplies, food, and so on?
Egypt shares a border with Gaza, and has kept it closed throughout the conflict other than for emergency medical aid going in . . .
Looks like potential suitors are not gonna make it in anymore.
WeBentOverTheGOP. Gotta love this guy! I challenge any of the right wing pansies on this blog to name one thing Bush, and his Republicon partners in crime have done that has helped America as a whole.
When your whole party acts like they want to destroy the country our forefathers built, well, we gotta do something about it.
Some say vote them out. I say prosecute ever single person claiming to be a Republicon for aiding and abetting!
As far as this fake non partisan witch, off with her head. When is the media gonna realize they don’t need any more intellectually dishonest “conservative” blowhards.
America needs conservatives like dogs need fleas.
@29 Prove he didn’t.
44 – Occasionally I read something I agree with in a conservative publication.
Very often I read something I disagree with in a more liberal venue. You can find JOHN FUCKING FUND (the WSJ Editorial Page hack) at HuffPO.
What’s too funny is that everything is so black and white to your silly-assed head.
Too funny and too freaking sad.
@35 Click here for photo of piper’s fan club. http://tinyurl.com/7u4kor
YLB. One can read what they want, and believe what they want too.
Reality is reality.
Heck, 20 some percent of Americans still think Bush was a good president, and “trickle down economics” is good for our country.
Once again. Reality is reality. It is not about being conservative or liberal.
@41 They feel no shame. Just look at Pudz or Piper.
@53 -heh
@54 “Reality is reality.”
And, of course, there are those who create their own reality. Those are the folks we’ll never reach. Gee, I wonder why Piper and Pudz come to mind?
I was certainly not a fan of the opinions of David Reinhard, but at least he understood that his was the minority opinion, and that there were other opinions in the world. From this initial article, I’m not sure that Ms. Hovde has that same understanding. The world does not center around any of us — and I’m leery of those who believe that it does.
“Last year was likely the worst for job losses since 1945. Employers slashed 1.9 million jobs through November, with 533,000 in that month alone. With December data out Friday, economists expect another 500,000 jobs lost, for a total of 2.4 million. That would be the most since 2.8 million jobs disappeared at the tail end of World War II.” — Seattle Times
Hey wingies — could you explain again why Wingnut Whack-O-Nomics is better than Democratic economic policies? Hmm, no, I don’t think you can …
@57 One certainly does get the feeling that Ms. Hovde stopped progressing after her 7th grade journalism class.
What’s the difference between gasbags like Rush, Sean and the other right wing talk radio creeps and a liberal talker?
The right wing guys’ ideas appeal to a few high school drop outs. Liberal talk appeals to enough people to elect a US Senator.
Take this you right wing shit-eating fuckheads!
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITI.....index.html
OH MY FUCKING GOD YOU WILL NEVER LIVE THIS SHIT DOWN! LOL!
No Facts Stupid Positions spews@54.:
So true. You demonstrate it when you read Morons and Kurse while drinking your Starbucks and it’s becomes your daily marching orders. Where us on the right have plethora of left-wing material we can visit and kablammmm it on your sorry political asses. Remember conservatism hasn’t died. Some politicians like Ted Stevens polluted it.
dishonest = Republican
Republican = whatever they think will fool the largest amount of people.
I’m against torturing Republicans, unless they are for starting an illegal war on hinky intelligence.
That’s my non-partisan commitment.
Well, after all, who needs an alternate point of view? One is enough so the heck with anyone else.
Happy New Year!
A Curse on Both Their Houses
Goddamn them, goddamn the doctrinaire, the red elephants and blue donkeys.
I have never read Devore, bit at least in this editorial she seems as reasonable as any other rational commentator. Unfortunately, there are all too few rationalists.
We do need Unions, but it is also true that unions like any other human endeavor can do big harm. The teacher’s unions, as one exmple, have done a great deal of harm. Some of us older rationalist remember the era of unions that excluded blacks too.
There were good people who supported Ihe iraq invasion. As That One has said, now we need to find the smart way to end the war. That will likely mean some long term presence in Iraq and great indignation by those who see the US in the clear light of their convicted liberalism. For their parts the red rats will accuse That One of “losing” the war.
The abortion issue is no better, The true blue feministi want drive through abortion clinics everywhere and think a woman’s rights are absolute. The red rats think that an eight cell mass has a soul and deserves its own social security card.
My point is this, That One campaigned on the rationalist ticket. I hope he governs that way,
Goddamn America
re63: If their ‘view’ is to enforce theirs upon everyone else, that is a viewpoint we can do without.
(Slapping forehead.) Okay then. Hovde was so troubled by torture she went ahead and voted for Bush after the Abu Ghraib scandal had been known for six months or so. That’s quite a commitment to human rights.
DeVore, are you stupid or dishonest? It’s well-understood that there is NO EVIDENCE OF ANY KIND that Bush approved of, ordered, condoned, or in any way influenced the tortuous activities at Abu Ghraib.
I didn’t bother continuing to read your post past this point, because it’s quite clear you don’t have a committment to sane and sober discussion of issues.
@60 Kablam on their sorry ass? Isn’t that what happened to you on November 4th? You and your sorry ass didn’t learn a damned thing from that, did you? You still show up here spewing that same old tired shit as if anybody could give a rat’s ass. Here’s a clue, Pudz, you lost for damned good reason.
Senator Franken. That’s gotta suck for you America-haters. I’ll bet you that the message America sent to the Republicans on November 4th will never sink in. Deep into denial as they are, they’re still singing, “Barack the Magic Negro”.
Says the man who starts his post with a logical fallacy…
This was a pretty funny bit from a previous thread:
Libertarian said:
“Roger Rabbit, does it feel good to be a lying ideologue? What does it feel like to be an blind and arrogant liar?”
Hey, rog, what did you do to piss this dude off? (Assuming it’s a dude that made the comment.)
Steve said:
“Senator Franken. That’s gotta suck for you America-haters.”
I’d say it’s more of a problem for the folks in Minnesota rather than the Reps or the rest of the country.
BTW, when do you folks think the press will turn on the Milk chocolate Messiah and His Merry Band of Nit-Wit Neo-socialist Dems? I say it’ll take 6 to 12 months before they start attacking their Messiah.
@71 So you’re hoping the press turn on Obama? I can see why, as that’s all you America-hating freaks are left with.
re 71: “…Nit-Wit Neo-socialist Dems?”
The question mark at the end of your statement is very appropriate given that you have just perfectly described a neo-con Republican.
Deal with it, sucker!
@47 I don’t think it’s my typing that bothers you.I believe it is the truth that hurts your little liberal feelings. And as far as my space bar is concerned,You can kiss me right in the space between my back pockets, Have a great new year.
re 74: The truth is, you don’t know your ass from your elbow. When your momma tried to teach you the difference between shit and shinola, you ended up polishing your shoes with Fido’s doo-doo.
And the smell in your BVD’s will never get any better if you keep wiping your elbow with Charmin!
@74
Actually, it warms my working class soul (I’m not a liberal) to know that Howler Monkeys like you are still out there driving the political far right into the toilet.
You might take note that centrist Republicans that can construct a valid argument and don’t run on “God Gays and Guns” are still electable.
As to your post at #10, it contains no facts, no “truth” and is devoid of any form of valid argument.
Michael spews
With all the leftist positions you’ve taken here over the past months?
You’ve got to be kidding…
@76
So you think you are the only working person that blogs in here and your opinion is the only one that matters. That is most probable thinking for liberals. Not worth the argument but going to anyway.
As to your post at #10, it contains no facts, no “truth” and is devoid of any form of valid argument.
All you have to do is open your eyes. But…..
Your probably one of those who wait for the weatherman to tell you it’s raining.
Just because you disagree with me dosen’t make your opinion the only opinion.
Centrist Republicans are liberals.They give in to which ever way the wind blows.
They want things to happen but are afraid to say and do the things that make it happen.
If you don’t stand for something you will stand for anything.
My point is, crap or get off the toilet!
You might be, a howling monkey.
My ancestors didn’t have tails, and I have never been to the rain Forrest for a family reunion.
So those howling monkeys you hear, and are talking about could be your ancestors calling you home. Have a nice day “Curious George”
@77
No, I’m not kidding. Like I said in the post: I’m working class. I define my self by class not political belief.
The term liberal is a way to separate blue collar and white collar members of the left. A way to differentiate Wallingford from Renton. I’m a blue collar kid* from Tacoma**. So yeah, I’m leftist as fuck, but liberal? hell no.
*If you can be 40 and still be a kid.
**Currently exiled in Gig Harbor.
@78
Nope! I’ve never said such a thing and don’t believe it for a second.
Which is you opinion and you are entitled to to it, but that is not a fact.
My point was centrists are still winning elections where the far right are not. That Sam Reed won re-election and Marlyn Jensen lost her race (26th LD) are facts.
Anyway, keep up the good work poisoning the waters for Republicans!