Tune in to a special Saturday night edition of “The David Goldstein Show” from 7PM to 10PM tonight on Newsradio 710-KIRO, as I fill-in for Frank Shiers. Subject to change, here are the topics for tonight’s show:
7PM: Do you hate America? Apparently I do. At least that’s what the angry righties are saying after I commented on Saddam Hussein’s execution by reminding readers of our government’s complicity in supporting Saddam’s dictatorship back when the convicted war criminal still served our interests. (You know, killing Iranians.) Hmm. How unpatriotic of me.
8PM: Are we building “concentration camps” to house illegal immigrants and their US citizen children? Author/blogger David Neiwert says yes, and what’s more, it’s time we start using the appropriate term.
9PM: TBA
Tune in tonight (or listen to the live stream) and give me a call: 1-877-710-KIRO (5476).
PROGRAMMING NOTE:
I’ll be on at my usual 7PM to 10PM time tomorrow night, and then filling in for Ron & Don, Monday from 4PM to 7PM.
Cheney hails Ford’s pardon of Nixon
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/....._Ford.html
Think this is wishful thinking on Cheney’s part?
Boooohoooohoooo. Sadam is dead. Next thing will hear is Castro kicking bucket. Sad soooo sad.
David,
Sitting here enjoying your show, especially the chat with David about media. Keep up the good work.
goldy,
re the fake concentration camp item.
I actually tried to read that screed, but was unable to figure out from the link what the debate or issue is…?
I”m guessing you are implying we actually have large fields with tall barbed wire fences, and with Arbeit mach frei” signs, and with dogs, tatoos, showers, gas, etc?
If we have those, i’ll join your team. But nah, we don’t have such, so stop the recurring faux Nazi allusions.
another crocodile teared liberal with a bullshit apology… of course he keeps his leadership position… nothing like an ethical peHOsi to hold the shits to “standards”.
“It was this man, Gerald R. Ford, who led our republic safely though a crisis that could have turned to catastrophe,” said Cheney, speaking in the Capitol Rotunda where Ford’s body rested. “Gerald Ford was almost alone in understanding that there can be no healing without pardon.”
(from the link above)
Now one of the architects of our nation’s most divisive partisanship since the Civil War is lecturing us on “healing” and “pardon”? He sounds like a crook worried about his future.
@2 It’s not our fault you’re lonely. You should have chosen better friends.
When is your show going to be podcasted?
4 “I’’m guessing you are implying we actually have large fields with tall barbed wire fences, and with Arbeit mach frei” signs, and with dogs, tatoos, showers, gas, etc?”
Google “Rex 84 Program” and you’ll find numerous web sites claiming that FEMA has built hundreds of detention camps in the U.S. Some of these sites offer photos as evidence.
The Wikipedia article on “Rex 84 program” dismisses these assertions as “conspiracy theories” but acknowledges that “the basic facts about Rex 84 and other contingency planning readiness exercises — and the potential threat they pose to civil liberties if fully implemented in a real operation — are taken seriously by scholars and civil liberties activists.”
@5 I like our crooks better than your crooks.
Perhaps the philosophical underpinnings of the debate over who hates America more, liberals or wingnuts, should be examined. As an objective outside observer, it’s clear to me that you humans have never progressed beyond primitive tribal behavior. For some strange reason, humans consider themselves one of the more intelligent species. We rabbits get a good laugh from that! After all, how many rabbits have been killed in rabbit wars? How much global warming do rabbits cause? What’s the abortion rate among rabbits? Huh? And you humans think you’re SMART? Like I said, we rabbits think you’re funny — funny in the head, that is.
This whole “hate America” debate boils down to tribalism. After all, what is “America” but a tribe? And what is war but different groups of humans saying to each other, “my tribe can kick your tribe’s ass,” and then they proceed to try to do it. Humans are idiots.
If humans didn’t have their heads so far up their asses, they would’ve listened when God sent Her son down here to try to straighten up this mess. Didn’t do any good, it turns out. Jesus said stuff like “turn the other cheek” and “love thy enemy as you love thyself.” And what did humans do? 2,000 more years of war and killing, that’s what. And all because you humans can’t get past this “my tribe is better than your tribe” crap!
You don’t see rabbits carrying on like this. Oh sure, I may kick another rabbit in the gonads or scratch his eyes out if he trespasses in my territory, but that’s normal behavior for all wild animals. We are, after all, inferior to you guys and so you expect it of us. It’s the hypocrisy of you humans who pretend to be superior to the rest of us in the animal kingdom that I can’t stand! The only thing humans are superior at is inventing more efficient weapons. You don’t see rabbits running around building things like F-16 fighters and nuclear bombs. That’s all you humans are good for, is killing each other, and the rest of us critters just try to stay the hell out of the way when you get into one of your tribalism funks and go at each other.
Fucking dumbasses.
What the “liberals hate America” crowd wants is for us all to be good little Nazis who don’t question anything our government does or criticize our leaders — even if they’re total dumbfucks like Bush and Cheney. And at least some wingnuts think if we don’t toe the line, the government should kill us:
“What shall we do with … Americans … who insult our national leaders … ? … Gallagher pointed out that those who insult our president … should be rounded up and placed in an internment camp. … It is not patriotic to insult our president, and it never will be. … When the president is insulted … that inspires the terrorists. Therefore, criticizing our president is not only unpatriotic, but anti-patriotic. … What shall we do about this kind of behavior? I believe Gallagher is right, but his prescription is wrong … let the punishment for guilt be death.” http://tinyurl.com/y92w6z
Apparently Jonathan (aka “Federal Way Conservative”) is serious — he thinks if we oppose Bush’s military adventure in Iraq or even criticize its botched execution, we should all be killed. This means we have the legal right to defend ourselves against this nutjob, because he has threatened us. Under Washington law, if he enters your home or burrow uninvited — YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO KILL HIM! Inasmuch as he has published a death threat against you, any reasonable person in your shoes will assume he ahs a hostile intent. After all, what could be more hostile than wanting you dead?
I suppose we should get around to cleaning up that nest of terrorists someday, although apparently this will have to await a Democratic administration, as Republicans are preoccupied elsewhere. Meanwhile, we need to recognize that we’re in far less danger from foreign terrorists than from paranoid whackjobs like Jonathan and “FullContactPolitics” (whom Richard Pope ID’d as erstwhile GOP legislative candidate Mark Griswold), who hopes terrorists kill innocent American airline passengers as part of a GOP campaign strategy:
“Congratulations Speaker Pelosi, now let the bombs fall where they may. My prediction: terror attack on domestic soil passenger aircraft within the next six months. Casualties in the 2-300 range. And, unfortunately, maybe that’s just what we need.” Posted by FullContactPolitics at November 8, 2006 10:52 AM http://tinyurl.com/ydlfwu
Maybe the best thing to do with these screwballs who claim to “love” America by hating Americans is to lock them up in the rubber room. That way, we won’t have to kill them if they’re stupid enough to attempt to carry out their threats.
Jonathan thinks a lot like Adolf Hitler did. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Rose
On Patriotism …
Here is what various thinkers, great and obscure, said about patriotism, starting with the most famous quote of all:
“Patriotism is the last refuge of scoundrels.” — Samuel Johnson
Honorable mention in the famous-quote category:
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.” — Theodore Roosevelt
Here’s what Alexander Solzhenitsyn says about it:
“Patriotism means unqualified and unwavering love for the nation, which implies not uncritical eagerness to serve, not support for unjust claims, but frank assessment of its vices and sins, and penitence for them.”
More:
“Dissent is the highest form of patriotism.” — Thomas Jefferson
“The love of one’s country is a splendid thing. But why should love stop at the border?” — Pablo Casals
“Socrates said he was not an Athenian or a Greek, but a citizen of the world.” — Plutarch
“Our true nationality is mankind.” — H. G. Wells
“It is lamentable, that to be a good patriot one must become the enemy of the rest of mankind.” — Voltaire
“To me, it seems a dreadful indignity to have a soul controlled by geography.” — George Santayana
“When a dog barks at the moon, then it is religion; but when he barks at strangers, it is patriotism!” — David Starr Jordan
“Patriotism is the religion of hell.” — James Branch Cabell
“Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious.” — Oscar Wilde
“Patriotism … is the egg from which wars are hatched.” — Guy de Maupassant
“Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all other countries because you were born in it.” — George Bernard Shaw
“Patriotism is the willingness to kill and be killed for trivial reasons.” — Bertrand Russell
“I find it difficult to believe that I belong to such an idiotic, rotten species — the species that actually boasts of … all of the loathsome nonsense that goes by the name of patriotism.” — Albert Einstein
“’My country, right or wrong’ is … like saying ‘My mother, drunk or sober.’” — G. K. Chesterton
“Men in authority will always think that criticism of their policies is dangerous. They will always equate their policies with patriotism, and find criticism subversive.”
— Henry Steele Commager
“During times of war, hatred becomes quite respectable, even though it has to masquerade often under the guise of patriotism.” — Howard Thurman
“Born in iniquity and conceived in sin, the spirit of nationalism has never ceased to bend human institutions to the service of dissension and distress.” — Thorstein Veblen
“Restriction of free thought and free speech is the most dangerous of all subversions. It is the one un-American act that could most easily defeat us.” — William O. Douglas
“We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty. When the loyal opposition dies, I think the soul of America dies with it.” — Edward R. Murrow
“Moral cowardice that keeps us from speaking our minds is as dangerous to this country as irresponsible talk. The right way is not always the popular and easy way. Standing for right when it is unpopular is a true test of moral character.” — Margaret Chase Smith
“When a whole nation is roaring Patriotism at the top of its voice, I am fain to explore the cleanness of its hands and the purity of its heart.” — Ralph Waldo Emerson
“Political language is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind.” — George Orwell
“Never was patriot yet, but was a fool.” — John Dryden
“I can train a monkey to wave an American flag. That does not make the monkey patriotic.” — Scott Ritter
“Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism.” — George Washington
“Patriotism is when love of your own people comes first; nationalism, when hate for people other than your own comes first.” — General Charles de Gaulle
“Patriotism ruins history.” — Goethe
“Patriotism … is a superstition artificially created and maintained through a network of lies and falsehoods; a superstition that robs man of his self-respect and dignity, and increases his arrogance and conceit.” — Emma Goldman
“Patriotism is like the ring in the nose of a pig. It lets somebody else lead you around by the nose … your critical faculties are turned off. You are a patsy.” — Roedy Green
“At least two thirds of our miseries spring from human stupidity, human malice and those great motivators and justifiers of malice and stupidity, idealism, dogmatism and proselytizing zeal on behalf of religious or political idols.” — Aldous Huxley
“Whenever you hear a man speak of his love for his country, it is a sign that he expects to be paid for it.” — H. L. Mencken
“Man is the only Patriot. He sets himself apart in his own country, under his own flag, and sneers at the other nations, and keeps multitudinous uniformed assassins on hand at heavy expense to grab slices of other people’s countries, and keep them from grabbing slices of his. And in the intervals between campaigns he washes the blood of his hands and works for ‘the universal brotherhood of man’ — with his mouth.” — Mark Twain
“The peace and welfare of this and coming generations of Americans will be secure only as we cling to the watchword of true patriotism: ‘Our country — when right to be kept right; when wrong to be put right.’” — Carl Schurz
U.S. Likely Will Pass 3,000th-Death Mark Today
The Associated Press tally of U.S. soldiers killed in Iraq now stands at 2,998. It appears certain to reach 3,000 before 2006 ends. Of course, if you count civilian Americans killed in Iraq, the toll is already over 3,000.
Roger, I’m waiting for the day when you single-handedly comprise all the responses on a thread. . . I swear it is coming.
Did you see the NY Times today. Iraqi’s celebrating in Everett. How nice. In Iraq, they’re still killing each other.
Thirty-six killed and seventy-seven wounded by three car bombs. You sure can tell their happy.
make that “they’re happy.’
Hey, where are those concentration camps? You mean at Area 51 along w/ 3 headed space aliens?
Come on Goldy, Roger(at #9)….Wikipedia isn’t a factual source, nor is “googling” something….
The claim is insulting to real tragedies and people suffering. Go try that stupid claim on the handful of Holocaust survivors..
3000 dead US soldiers in Iraq and not one, not one of them the son or daughter of the republican politicians who stuck us in this quagmire. Not much of a surprise given the fact that the right are nothing but cowardly chickenhawks.
#19
There were no democrats in on the vote of this quagmire?
Since you are so good at statistics, just how many Dem Politicians have lost a son or daughter in this quagmire?
I recall in the past election a Senator up for reelection stating something to the effect “If I knew what I know now I wouldn’t have VOTED FOR THE WAR”
That would be “hindsight 20-20” Cantwell….Easy to be “right” after the fact……
@18 Where did I endorse the claims that FEMA is building concentration camps? Why do wingnuts have such abysmal reading comprehension?
Wikipedia is quite good on most subjects, primarily because the articles are written by people with knowledge of the subject. However, precisely because it has so many authors, there are bound to be errors. But I think the editors do a respectable job of moderating the contributions and disclosing when sources are weak or lacking.
In this case, Wikipedia mercilessly mocks the “conspiracy theories” surrounding the Rex 84 program, which actually was a three-day training exercise held over 20 years ago, not an ongoing program within FEMA.
At the same time, it presents as factual that our government has contingency plans to deal with massive civil disturbances or other “national emergencies,” and unsurprisingly, academics and civil libertarians are nervous about the potential for abuse inherent in the mere existence of such authority and planning. Why is this so hard for dolts like you to understand?
I suppose it boils down to wingnuts never having met an autocrat they didn’t like — unless he’s sitting on oil they want to get their hands on.
Fuck you, righton! As usual, you’re wrong. About everything.
@20 Of course Democrats voted for it — based on the lies they were fed by our dishonest Republican leaders, and let’s not overlook the fact they were misled about how Bush would use the authority they gave him. He was supposed to work through the U.N., not go it alone; war was supposed to be the last resort, not the first and only plan.
The stupidity of your post can be illustrated by this simple analogy. If a consumer is fleeced by a crooked business, who is at fault — the consumer, or the crooked business?
What’s even stupider (and LESS PATRIOTIC) is that bleating rightwing sheep like you continue to endorse this pack of liars and their obviously defective policy.
@16 Never happen. The wingers can’t restrain themselves.
Gidget,
“Iraqi’s celebrating in Everett. How nice. In Iraq, they’re still killing each other”
You must have missed the part where the father said yesterday was the happiest day of his life and one he will remember forever. You must have also missed the part hwere he described losing 15 of his family members to Saddam’s death squads.
Get your butt back in your school classroom and put your head in the clouds because you know nothing about the horrors of every day life in a third world two-bit country. Until you have seen the suffering and the poverty, the injustices, the total lack of any civil rights, you can’t begin to understand why normal people would celebrate the death of a larger than life animal like Saddam.
At least his sons died fighting……………
#23
What did ALL those Democrats do about the fleecing they received. Did they speak up right away? Or did they make excuses. When did they find out they were lied too? Did it take an election year to figure it out?
We have no Democrats in the “War Rooms”, only Republican Generals? I would hope that we have a few people in the right places, knowing what the hell is going on, but I guess if it has to do with this war, none of them are Democrats.
If this war was popular, would the democrats be crying “we were fleeced”.
Still waiting for how many of those democrat politician’s have lost sons or daughters in this war.
Where are the concentration camps?
@ 24
Roger says:
What’s even stupider (and LESS PATRIOTIC) is that bleating rightwing sheep like you continue to endorse this pack of liars and their obviously defective policy.”
And just where do you get your information that I voted/endorsed anyone Roger?
My point is that the Democrats wont admit that they too play/played a part in this war, and only when pressured they still take no responsibility. They blame it on the “rightwing sheep”, “pack of liars” and “defective policy”.
We are all americans, and if we don’t portray ourselves as united, then the enemy will succeed.
Goldy has the worst radio voice I have ever heard!
Smeg: You must have missed the part where the father said yesterday was the happiest day of his life and one he will remember forever. You must have also missed the part hwere he described losing 15 of his family members to Saddam’s death squads.
There you go again, trusting government-controlled media for all your information. Who else are they going to show?
And I don’t recall having ever said that Saddam was nice. I said that justice and not vengeance should reign. You might consider coming back to my classroom for a refresher course in civics.
Finally, who is responsible for more deaths in Iraq: Hussein or Bush? Answer that if you dare.
Smeg, you’re an idiot.
Kiroking . . . isn’t it stupid to blame Dem who were lied to for not having the courage in the face of those lies to appear to turn on the President with a mandate form the people? These are politicians after all and Bush is their Commander in Chief.
You make a pretty flimsy argument for all this destruction to sit around and blame the Democrats. I’m just sure you’d have rallied around the Dems if they’d tried that.
Why not have the balls to put the blame squarely where it belongs: on the shoulders of your bully Bush and his lying, thieving and conniving group neocons, congressmen and his staff of suck-ups.
They were an unethical and corrupt crew to begin with. You should all be ashamed. But, the bleating sheep that comprise you rightwingers will go down in history as the ignorant and UnAmerican herd that you are.
SKAGIT SPEAKING OF IDIOTS.AT LEAST SGMMAC SPENT 20 YEARS IN THE MILITARY.AND YOUR MOTHER DROPPED YOU ON YOUR HEAD WHEN YOU WERE BORN.NOW GO GET LOST ASSHOLE
Which makes her a propagandized militarist. Right?
i thought this post started, by goldy, on the (lying rats) story about concentration camps
come on goldy, don’t lay a turd and then hide and run…
roger, you said this at #9.
please ‘splain this to me ricky
Roger Rabbit says:
4 “I’’m guessing you are implying we actually have large fields with tall barbed wire fences, and with Arbeit mach frei” signs, and with dogs, tatoos, showers, gas, etc?”
Google “Rex 84 Program” and you’ll find numerous web sites claiming that FEMA has built hundreds of detention camps in the U.S. Some of these sites offer photos as evidence.
WTF….you saying the US is building hundreds of detention camps… really…hundreds… 500, 900, what?
Kiroqueen @ 29 says
“if we don’t portray ourselves as united, then the enemy will succeed”
Agreed. We must be united in hanging these pack of liars in the Bush Administration for their defective policies that have betrayed the American people. We will have shown a united front and destroyed the enemy in one step.
And the rightwing sheep may (if they wish to open their eyes) be awakened to reality.
If not, they will just keep bleeting and suffering from their ignorance.