REUTERS, London — British police foiled yet another terrorist plot today, announcing the arrest of a 340-pound Egyptian man planning to blow up an airliner over the Atlantic using homemade explosives derived from his own body.
British authorities say the unidentified man planned to use the on-board lavatory as a mobile chemical lab, where he would render his own fat and refine it into bio-diesel while extracting urea nitrate from his own urine. According to an NSA terrorism expert who spoke on condition of anonymity, a typical “fat arab” could easily extract sufficient material from his own fluids to mix enough ANFO explosive to bring down a Boeing 747. “This is the nightmare scenario we’ve all been predicting,” the NSA official told Reuters.
In response, the US Transportation Security Administration (TSA) immediately instructed airport screeners to prevent fat people from boarding planes, and ordered all bathrooms to be locked and sealed on flights of six hours or more. A spokesman for the International Airline Passengers Association called the TSA’s new regulations a “mixed blessing” in terms of its total impact on passenger comfort.
A fat man mixing ANFO from his own bodily fluids? Sound preposterous? Well as it turns out, it’s not that much more ridiculous than the scenario we were treated to last week with tales of terrorist plans to mix triacetone triperoxide (TATP) on board jetliners using common household chemicals. According to The Register, it’s just not that easy.
Assuming you can get your hands on adequately concentrated hydrogen peroxide…
Making a quantity of TATP sufficient to bring down an airplane is not quite as simple as ducking into the toilet and mixing two harmless liquids together. […] Take your hydrogen peroxide, acetone, and sulfuric acid, measure them very carefully, and put them into drinks bottles for convenient smuggling onto a plane. It’s all right to mix the peroxide and acetone in one container, so long as it remains cool. Don’t forget to bring several frozen gel-packs (preferably in a Styrofoam chiller deceptively marked “perishable foods”), a thermometer, a large beaker, a stirring rod, and a medicine dropper. You’re going to need them.
It’s best to fly first class and order Champagne. The bucket full of ice water, which the airline ought to supply, might possibly be adequate – especially if you have those cold gel-packs handy to supplement the ice, and the Styrofoam chiller handy for insulation – to get you through the cookery without starting a fire in the lavvie.
Once the plane is over the ocean, very discreetly bring all of your gear into the toilet. You might need to make several trips to avoid drawing attention. Once your kit is in place, put a beaker containing the peroxide / acetone mixture into the ice water bath (Champagne bucket), and start adding the acid, drop by drop, while stirring constantly. Watch the reaction temperature carefully. The mixture will heat, and if it gets too hot, you’ll end up with a weak explosive. In fact, if it gets really hot, you’ll get a premature explosion possibly sufficient to kill you, but probably no one else.
After a few hours – assuming, by some miracle, that the fumes haven’t overcome you or alerted passengers or the flight crew to your activities – you’ll have a quantity of TATP with which to carry out your mission. Now all you need to do is dry it for an hour or two.
The genius of this scheme is that TATP is relatively easy to detonate. But you must make enough of it to crash the plane, and you must make it with care to assure potency. One needs quality stuff to commit “mass murder on an unimaginable scale,” as Deputy Police Commissioner Paul Stephenson put it. While it’s true that a slapdash concoction will explode, it’s unlikely to do more than blow out a few windows. At best, an infidel or two might be killed by the blast, and one or two others by flying debris as the cabin suddenly depressurizes, but that’s about all you’re likely to manage under the most favorable conditions possible.
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To release the energy needed to bring down a plane (far more difficult to do than many imagine, as Aloha Airlines Flight 243 neatly illustrates), it’s necessary to synthesize a good amount of TATP with care.
Hmm.
But surely, the threat was imminent–the terrorists were only days away from carrying out their dastardly plan. At least, that’s what US and British officials told us, and that’s what the media dutifully reported.
Craig Murray, Britain’s outspoken former Amabassador to Uzbekistan is skeptical:
None of the alleged terrorists had made a bomb. None had bought a plane ticket. Many did not even have passports, which given the efficiency of the UK Passport Agency would mean they couldn’t be a plane bomber for quite some time.
In the absence of bombs and airline tickets, and in many cases passports, it could be pretty difficult to convince a jury beyond reasonable doubt that individuals intended to go through with suicide bombings, whatever rash stuff they may have bragged in internet chat rooms.
And as it turns out, no charges have yet been filed in the case.
Which raises the question… was the danger really so imminent to disrupt travel for millions of passengers and warrant making flying even more uncomfortable than it naturally is by banning beverages and other carry-on items? Or was this just another cynical Bush administration effort to ramp up the fear at a time when his party’s approval is at a record low, and with a crucial midterm election just around the corner?
Forgive me for being suspicious, but it seems like every few weeks we hear of another dire terrorist threat that turns out to be a load of crap. You know, like that supposed plot to flood lower Manhattan by blowing up the Holland Tunnel, ignoring the fact that the so-called terrorists had neither the means, the training, or the know-how… let alone the brains to realize that water doesn’t flow uphill.
And then there are all those recent reports of suspected “terrorists” arrested for buying large quantities of prepaid cellphones for use as detonators or to assist them in evading surveillance. Again, a load of crap.
Of course there are real terrorists out there who pose a real threat. But if their goal is to strike fear in the American public, they face some awfully stiff competition from our own President.
So, la goldie, let’s see if we can understand your point of view.
You expect the American people to trust your party to protect them from those who have vowed to annihilate us by electing your party, YET your party refuses to acknowledge the threat is there.
Your campaign theme seems to be “Trust us… there is no threat but we’ll do a better job of protecting you from that non-threat.”
There’s a winning message.
Like someone wrote in a recent column: the thing I despise most about the Bush administration is that they’ve turned otherwise mild-mannered folks like me into tinfoil hat conspiracy theorists.
The thing is, when you learn the facts about what the Bushies are up to, we’re not being paranoid ENOUGH.
So howcanyoubePROUDtobeanEVILfuckingchristianistBITCH-
The POINT is that this asshole administration tries to scare us with the incompent fake “terrorists” that THEY CAN CATCH (because this bunch of Bushie numbskulls are ALSO incompetent)…while the real threats to Democracy and security stay loose and operational.
There’s plenty of threats…THERE ALWAYS HAVE BEEN. You think it’s ever been ANY different, you ingoramus?
It’s LAW ENFORCEMENT.
It’s Dipolomatic, Strategic realtionships.
If we make our democratic way of life SOOOO good and SOOOO attractive…they’ll KILL EACH OTHER to make it their form of Government.
If we keep making the US look like some fucking banana republic…like Bush and Cheney do so well…well why would they want to follow us? They already KNOW dictatorship. They already KNOW war, hardship and fear.
When we show the world that we believe what we say we believe, NO MATTER WHAT…the world will believe us…and believe in what we say.
THAT will make the world safer for EVERYONE.
The only ones playing politics are the weak on defense liberals. Their strategy is to criticize the government if an attack actually happens and if it doesn’t happen, to claim the threat was made up to begin with.
The people see through this and that is why liberals will NEVER be trusted with national security.
Lieberman will win and now Democrats will have to make up a seat they wouldn’t have had to worry about if the NUTROOTS hadn’t rigged the Democrat primary. And by threatening Lieberman to be kicked off committees if he wins, Democrats will assure Lieberman will vote against them every time.
Way to go NUTROOTS! Hooray! You nut rooters are the BEST thing to happen to Republicans in years! First it was your Ca 51st “belwether” and now Lieberman.
Damn, I may just make a donation to nut roots. They are the more effective at electing anyone other than Democrats than enyone else.
Any of you leftwing nutjobs got the URL?
ne else see the Hand of Rove in the sudden reappearance of JonBenet’s face on the FOX News screen? Can anyone believe it’s just a coincidence that this “breakthrough” occurred just as a federal judge was letting the air out of Bush’s NSA American Surveillance Program? I think not.
Look on the bright side — it might get Greta out of Aruba.
pbj:
Lieberman has already said he would caucus with the democrats.
Goldy,
I said as much in the comments thread here the other day.
The Bush administration is cashing in every IOU they can to gin up a “terrorist” threat, no matter how populated by idiots, poorly conceived, or unbelievable. The Italian plane landin is another case in point. The cool thing it that it’s NOT bumping up Bush’s numbers, and it’s NOT bumping up GOP approval. People here have just fucking had ENOUGH of these loser liars.
For “liberals will NEVER be trusted with national security” pbj, do you REALLY think that “only ones playing politics are the weak on defense liberals” and “the people see through this?” Uh, WRONG. (a href=”http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/17/AR2006081701484.html”>Married women with children, the “security moms” whose concerns about terrorism made them an essential part of Republican victories in 2002 and 2004, are taking flight from GOP politicians this year…they support Democrats for Congress by a 12-point margin, 50 percent to 38 percent. That is nearly a mirror-image reversal from a similar period in 2002, when this group backed Republicans 53 percent to 36 percent.
Good neews? Yes, for us. Proof that you’re wrong? Fucking A.
Who said thay were going to make TATP? I don’t recall anywhere it being stated what kind of explosive was to be used.
So the so-called nutroots “rigged the [COnnecticut] Democrat primary” by doing what…? Joe LOST the Democratic primary, pbj, because more people voted for the other guy than voted for him. I’m not surprised that you fail to recognize democracy when you see it.
If American muuuuuuuuuuslims voted Republican instead of Democrat, Miss Goldie would be kicking their asses out of the USA. But like illegals, muuuuuuuuslims are the next voting bloc generation of democrats.
If American muuuuuuuuuuslims voted Republican instead of Democrat, Miss Goldie would be kicking their asses out of the USA. But like illegals, muuuuuuuuslims are the next voting bloc generation of democrats.
You know, I just understand why American Muslims vote for Democrats instead of for the party that has all the people who like to stereotype and scapegoat them…
12, If I were a Dearborn, MI muuuuuuuuuuslim terrorist, I would have voter for Kerry several times, and in Michigan, each and every Democrat Kerry vote would have be counted!!!
Our Precious Bodily Fluids.
Who benefits from terrorism in the middle east? Let’s say you’re Israel and some Hezbolla jerks are lobbing rockets at you. Those jerks benefit because they get support from Iran. You benefit because you get an excuse to invade Lebanon. (Of course, it backfires on you, but that’s beside the point). So terrorism benefits leadership, even as it destroys citizenship.
Same deal here. BushCo benefits when you’re cowering. Without the threat of terrorism, and dilweeds like #4 pbj, there’s nothing for BushCo to point to as important. However, opposition (Democrats or otherwise) can point to plenty that’s wrong with what BushCo is doing. But along comes a terror threat and pro-Bush Republicans WET THEIR PANTS, STAMP THEIR LITTLE FOOTSIES IN THE POOL OF THEIR OWN URINE, AND DECLARE DEMOCRATS EVIL.
Freakin’ cowards. Someone buy those Republicans some Depends; they’ve got an incontinence problem. The rest of us are ready to take on the problem, and they’re over there whining like babies.
Someone explain to me why the right-wing trolls spend so much of their time here? Is it some kind of Liberal conspiracy to keep them occupied? Or are they just plain stupid.
I’ll pipe in for a moment on this before going back to my day job of Destroying Western Civilization Through Cultural Pollution.
I bring this up because security is part of what I do for a living. I don’t secure airports or buildings. I secure computer systems. The principles are not too different.
In systems security, we talk about defense in depth. This means, rather than relying on a single super-strong defense system, you do a number of small incremental steps in order to keep your computers secure.
You make an effort through HR to hire good people. If someone is evil and determined to walk out the door with company assets, you can make that difficult, but it’s generally impossible to prevent it entirely unless the individual in question never handles anything that couldn’t be let out the door. Ethically challenged people should be hustled out of the organization as quickly as possible.
You make everyone in your organization aware of what they can do to keep the assets they are responsible for secure. You make sure papers, works in progress, etc. are not left lying around where the cleaning staff could lift them. You make sure people are logged off at night. You walk around at 9 p.m. and check people’s screens. People who break these rules get chided with a pig on their desk the first time, and get sent to the manager for a stern talking-to the second time. The third time affords you full participation in the Unemployment Insurance program of your local jurisdiction.
You make sure that everyone has enough access to do their job and no more than that. This is a concept called least privilege. The receptionist has no reason to see the company’s financial books. Make sure he can’t.
You lock the server room and keep the door closed. God Herself doesn’t get to go in there.
You set up technical measures to keep internal people out of places they don’t belong, clients, vendors and the like out of places they don’t belong, and strangers out completely. You balance this with the ability for salesmen, field technicians, and other habitual wandering employees to get into the “home system”. You set up dual-factor authentication systems for wandering people so that lost laptops and evildoers shoulder-surfing passwords don’t compromise your system.
You set up alarms to determine if someone has gone into an unsecured area. You audit those systems on a regular basis, analyze the results, and determine appropriate responses.
Are you bored reading this yet? If so, that’s normal. It’s fun if you’re a geek, but it’s largely boring, laborious work.
At the same time, while my job in this respect is kind of important, it’s not a profit center for any of my clients. I could make a big show and put cameras everywhere in the office and have guys with black suits and sticks standing around. It would be effective, but it would also be expensive and bad for company morale. However important it is to protect the assets of the organization, it’s more important that people are happy, and get their jobs done.
Securing public spaces is similar, but poses different, and more difficult problems. We can choose who walks through the doors of our office, and you get to work with them for weeks, months, or years on end and get a pretty good feel for their behavior. You do not get to choose who walks through the airport, or into a subway station, etc. Worse, every day is a new set of people. You do need a few of the guys with the black suits and sticks, if only to remind the bad guys that they’re being watched.
But that’s still your last line, and largely for show. The real work should be done quietly and inconspicuously.
Likewise, legitimate people, usually farmers, really do need thousands of pounds of ammonium nitrate fertilizer. How do you keep it out of the hands of bad guys? If I buy a hundred pounds at one shop, a hundred pounds at another, and so on, can you stop that? Financial forensics? Maybe. Good luck with that.
Here’s the real point:
The problem with politicians is that they have to put on a show. Constituents don’t want to (and won’t) read through long policy briefs explaining how the financial infrastructure is being tightened and how radical imams are having an extra close eye kept on them and their followers. They want to show off the guys with the sticks, and the toys, and all that. Partially to demonstrate that they are delivering value for money, and partially to give people an illusion of security. And yes, as sure as God made little green apples, it is an illusion. There may be real security, but what you are seeing is not it.
As a security professional, when I see a big show going on, I say “either someone is not doing their job right, or they are overcompensating”. If I ask what the security procedures are and they say “we can’t tell you, that’s confidential”, I start suspecting there are no procedures.
Not pointing fingers at anyone. I’m just sayin’…
Well, now President Bush is smart enough to rig up a bogus confession about Jon-Benet. Just when you think you’ve heard every cock-a-mamie story possible, somebody will come up with a new big conspiracy theory.
You need to be careful what you ask for – cause you just may get it and then you might not like it too much!
I bet the typical washington republican could bring down a 747 with a light match up bye their gashes behinds.
The good thing about all this Bush Bullshit is that it’s over. The public no longer believes anything the lying fucks on the republican side say. They’ve cried the sky is falling once too many times. Even half the republicans surveyed in a recent poll don’t believe Bush’s lies about the terror.
And that’s all they have. They have nothing but fear and when that stops working they’re gone. And then America will actually be a little safer.
There’s no threat to America, no not one, that’s as great as the threat that comes from the theocrats in the GOP!
GOldy – If one of these cowardly asshole ragheads is successful, I hope you’re on the plane.
Or was this just another cynical Bush administration effort to ramp up the fear at a time when his party’s approval is at a record low, and with a crucial midterm election just around the corner?
Well, that won’t work. The attention span of the average voter won’t last until the next rerun of Survivor much less ’til November.
MTR You pussies are so afraid of everything.
No wonder fear mongering works on you.
When the terrorists scare you, they win.
Ass hooooole.
So, Goldy- to be politically correct, we have to wait until the fucking plane blows up and then,(of course)blame Republicans for not making us secure. Gimme a break!
JCH @ 11:
Oh to the contrary dip shit.
Read ’em and weep.
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/14399906/
I just love these kinds of stories about voting blocks that are beginning to realize the lies told by Bush and the Rubberstamp Republicans.
Re: uptown @ 15-
They’re stupid.
Why go to all that trouble when all he has to do is cut loose with a 325-lb. fart? If that doesn’t do it, he can gas the passengers with halitosis from his bad teeth.
Sheesh.
I bet the typical washington republican could bring down a 747 with a light match up bye their gashes behinds.
Commentby The Socialist [GBS, You are a hoot!!!!!]
proud kennedy @ 1:
Were you in the audience who applauded me when I welcomed the Macaca to the Real World?
The Real World of lower taxes and increased spending for our supporter’s benefit. The Real World of invading more countries we feel threatened by and transforming them into Democracies who in turn lower taxes and increase spending.
Give me $$$$$ Proud Kennedy to support my re-election to the Senate. Give me $$$$$ for 2008 and I will be your next Dear Leader. Together we will oppose the Macacas who stubbornly refuse to join the Real World.
Bush pardons moonshining ‘Deliverance’ actor
By Robert Yoon
CNN Washington Bureau
Friday, August 18, 2006; Posted: 5:08 p.m. EDT (21:08 GMT)
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITI.....index.html
WASHINGTON (CNN) — By granting absolution to a convicted moonshiner, George W. Bush also earned the unique distinction of becoming the first president to pardon a cast member of the 1972 Academy Award-nominated movie “Deliverance.”
Figures hahahahaa
I bet the typical washington republican could bring down a 747 with a light match up bye their gashes behinds.
Commentby The Socialist— 8/18/06@ 1:53 pm
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Translation:
“The typical washington republican has enough fart-gas to knock a 747 out of the air simply by lighting a match to their farts.”
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Is that what you meant to say, (un)Socialist?
Doctor JCH Kennedy wern’t you in the cast of the Deliverance too?
I bet the typical washington republican could bring down a 747 with a light match up bye their gashes behinds.
Commentby The Socialist— 8/18/06@ 1:53 pm
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Translation:
“The typical washington republican has enough fart-gas to knock a 747 out of the air simply by lighting a match to their farts.”
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Is that what you meant to say
yes
Doctor JCH Kennedy wern’t you in the cast of the Deliverance too?
Commentby The Socialist [GBS, No I “wern’t”!! ROTFLMAO!!!]
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Not going to happen MTR, you racist twit (ragheads? sounds common). The ter’s got away with it once because Bush was asleep at the switch, but it will not happen again. At the first sign of suspicious activity, particularly if the suspect looks middle eastern, the rest of the passengers on the plane will automatically assume he/or she wants to blow the plane up and they will jump on him. Remember Richard Read?
Does anyone remember any terrorist threats in 2005? MTR, JCH Bitch, pbj, do you have any links? Can you show me A SINGLE G-DDAMN TERROIST ALERT IN 2005? CAN YOU?
Well if I believe Keith Olbermann, there was only one terrorist alert on October 6, 2005, 10:00 a.m
What was so significant about this particular terrorist alert? It was announced 2 hours after Karl Rove will testify again to the CIA leak grand jury and that Special Prosecutor Fitzgerald has told Rove he cannot guaranteed that he will not be indicted.
Democrats in “Public Service”: Pigs at the taxpayer funded trough
Attention all raghead muuuuuuuuuuslims!! Out of the USA in 24 hours!!! And no, you don’t get to vote for Hillary before you leave!!!!!
Do you ever think that if we hadn’t gotten so “in-bed” with the Israelis we might have avoided the 9/11 mess entirely?
2005 wasn’t an election year thats why there were not any terrorist alert.
Butt breath………
Looks like the anti war kook vote isn’t gonna get it done. Again…
“Likely voters said by a 53 percent to 40 percent margin that Lieberman, the Democratic Party’s vice presidential candidate in 2000 and once a presidential candidate himself, deserves to be re-elected.”
Democrats in “Public Service”: Pigs at the taxpayer funded trough
there is over 8 billion dollers in CASH missing in iraq.
I mean give me a break Doctor JCH Kennedy you asshole have lost more money then any Demercratic person ever dreamed of spending on social servises for the American people.
President Bush has pardoned less people than any other President………….
Three pillars of Liberalism – moral relativity, the sexual ‘revolution’ and the obsession with ‘rights’ – are on a collision course with reality in WASH State’s King County Common Pleas Court. In a recent pre-trail motion, GBS – accused of sexually assaulting nine boys with physical or mental disabilities – claimed that having sex with children ‘is a sacred ritual protected by civil-rights laws’. “I needed to give them my Democrat love!”, stated GBS.
So how did Karl Rove screw up so badly and wait until AFTER the Connecticut primary to have the FAKE British airliner bomb scare?
Did some of Lamont’s millions end up in Rove’s pocket to doublecross Lieberman? We know Rove will do ANYTHING for a buck, so is is it so beyond belief that he would pull a Morris and bite the hand that has fed him.
Which brings us to the REAL question- what did Lamont know, and when did he know it?
I mean give me a break Doctor JCH Kennedy you asshole have lost more money then any Demercratic person ever dreamed of spending on social servises for the American people.
Commentby The Socialist [………………………………………………………………………………………………………………….GBS, You “Demercratic” hoot!!! Stop it!!! You’re killing me!!!! No more “social servises” for you!!!!]
2005 wasn’t an election year thats why there were not any terrorist alert.
Butt breath………
Commentby The Socialist […..”The Socialist” GBS, Could you tell me where you attended Public High School? Just the city and state…. Thanks in advance…………..JCH]
Do you ever think that if we hadn’t gotten so “in-bed” with the Israelis we might have avoided the 9/11 mess entirely?
Commentby Libertarian [Maybe…Shall we blame Harry Truman? The “Jewish” lobby in D. C.? Just “axing”…….]
Ogg – I hope you’re right. Time will tell…
Illegal Immigrants in Country 20,426,887
Money wired to Mexico $23,575,296,302
Cost of Social Services for Illegal Immigrants $397,469,111,828
Illegals Enrolled in Government Schools K-12 3,749,373
Cost of Illegal Immigrants Enrolled in K-12 $14,489,987,299
Illegal Immigrants Incarcerated 315,460
Cost for Incarcerations of Illegal Immigrants $1,446,245,595
Illegal Immigrant Fugitives 623,761
Here’s a statistic from elsewhere, one that I did check out. Out of all of the outstanding warrants for murder in Los Angeles, 95% of them are for illegal aliens. […………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………Daddy Love, A little “California Update” for you. Perhaps if the Californians only paid more taxes these problems could be solved!!!! hehe, JCH]
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“You expect the American people to trust your party to protect them from those who have vowed to annihilate us by electing your party,” Commentby howcanyoubePROUDtobeaKennedy— 8/18/06@ 11:47 am
As opposed to this — yes. http://tinyurl.com/z66h4
Do you ever think that if we hadn’t gotten so “in-bed” with the Israelis we might have avoided the 9/11 mess entirely?
Commentby Libertarian [Maybe…Shall we blame Harry Truman? The “Jewish” lobby in D. C.? Just “axing”…….]
Commentby Doctor JCH Kennedy— 8/18/06@ 3:00 pm
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Here’s the point: Islamo-facists see the US as another, bigger Israel. I want us to get out of the middle of this religious conflict for good.
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“‘The typical washington republican has enough fart-gas to knock a 747 out of the air simply by lighting a match to their farts.’
Is that what you meant to say, (un)Socialist?” Commentby Libertarian— 8/18/06@ 2:32 pm
That would be my guess.
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“GOldy – If one of these cowardly asshole ragheads is successful, I hope you’re on the plane.” Commentby Mark The Redneck— 8/18/06@ 2:01 pm
It won’t get you out of your gambling debt, welsher! Then you’ll owe the $100 to Goldy’s daughter. And at the rate you’re racking up interest, Uncle Sam will want his share too.
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Unfortunately for Bush, the JonBenet “perp” will come a cropper, and so will the British “terror” plot. Mixing chemicals in the airline lavatory to make a bomb — hahahaha! Two frauds in one week. Mr. Karr’s timing of his little hoax couldn’t have been worse for Shrub.
TFFarmer, “I believe this falls under the heading of being a Freeper Myth. We had the W-54 Davy Crockett weapon, and various SADM configurations, culminating in the 155 MM tactical nuclear weapons series.
The Soviets were reputed to have built some small, modest yield weapons. . .possibly suitable for delivery in a van sized vehicle, but what we know about Soviet capabilities and manufacturing methods for fissile material make this myth very remotely possible in the real world. Typically they manufactured highly impure fissile material, which had to be ‘‘recooked’’ and re-purified to maintain their functionality as explosive devices. Small compact nuclear devices tend to have tritium trigger devices, another element not addressed in this ‘‘myth’’. Such triggers are very high maintenance devices indeed,often needing maintenance as often as every 6 months.”
Commentby Tree Frog Farmer—— 8/17/06@ 9:02 pm
Re: “ what we know about Soviet capabilities and manufacturing methods for fissile material make this myth very remotely possible in the real world;” specifically what is it that you know about Soviet capabilities that demonstrates it as myth? If we can make 155MM nukes why can’t the Soviets make suitcase nukes?
Libs used the suitcase bomb scenario as an excuse for not building SDI, claiming that the Soviets could avoid SDI by deploying such devices. Now you libs claim that it really can’t be done. Suitcase nukes are indeed a likely Soviet response to American SDI.
What does Karr have to do with President Bush? Bush didn’t snatch JonBenet. Karr probably didn’t like the sleeping arrangements or the food in the Thai prison.
pune the shrub NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This whole thing with this guy Karr is fishy. I wouldn’t be surprised if he was some nutcase weirdo confessing to a crime he didn’t commit.
JCH,
Hey, do you really think I’d tell you what city/state I attended school?
That’s how your personal information got found out.
P.S.: I have an in-law works at the DMV in, ironically, Weeds, California. Did you know your personal information, like your exact address, resides in a nation-wide database that can be looked up by anyone who has access to it?
My in-law is one of those kinds of people.
Turns out you have a little history yaking on political talk shows and blogs. Paid by the word are you?
JCH,
When you gonna tell the truth about your military service?
Just axin’
JCH,
What about the Duke-ster? You haven’t answered my questions yet.
What do you think life is like for your neocon brother “behind” bars?
“Mmmmgghhhh, mmmggghhh, Oh yeah, Tookie, fuck me like a man!”
Repubicans = weak felons in prison.
Weak felons in prison = prison bitches.
Duke-ster = prison bitch.
JCH = Duke-ster, and all other conservatives. You homophobes.
Karr is a Republican. Apparently he used to hang out with Mayor Jim West on gay kiddie porn sites.
Hmmmm. . . Where’s Mr. Cynical lately? Thailand perhaps?
Bill The Ump @6.THE IS A STAY AND THE 6TH CIRCUT WILL CUT THE FEET OUT FROM UNDER THIS LOONEY JUDGE.NOW CRAWL BACK IN YOUR HOLE
Turns out you have a little history yaking on political talk shows and blogs. Paid by the word are you? Commentby GBS— 8/18/06@ 4:55 pm
You admitting that GBS could be cause for illegally acquiring personal information. Do you really want to admit this… well you just did!
54 For information on the disinformation regarding the mythical- yes, mythical- suitcase nuclear bomb, check out http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110007478
I hope that this post of yours was simply an avenue to play politics with the country’s efforts to fight terror. I understand you have to occassionally throw some raw meat to your followers in order to maintain your street cred among progressive bloggers.
Because if it isn’t, to use the correct pychological diagnosis, what you’re writing is nucking futs.
LOS ANGELES – A woman is suing the J.C. Penney Co. after an alleged run-in with a store mannequin that she says left her with a cracked tooth, a bloodied head and recurring shoulder pain. Jules Hyperstein, 51, of Seattle, represented by Sal Lowenstein, and Sol Weinstein, ESQs, sued the Texas-based retailer last month in Orange County Superior Court, claiming she was cracked in the head by a legless female dummy at its Westminster Mall store.
Doctor JCH Kennedy wern’t you in the cast of the Deliverance too?
Commentby The Socialist [……………………………………………………………..GBS, No I “wern’t”!! ROTFLMAO!!!]
Couldn’t terrorists bring some liquid aboard an airplane that would turn into poisonous gas? It wouldn’t blow up the airplane, but it could kill everyone aboard. The plane would then crash somewhere. I am NOT about to go into any possible scenarios of course. But bringing chemicals aboard an airplane can be an extremely dangerous terrorist threat.
Democrat civil rights leader Andrew Young, hired to help Wal-Mart Stores Inc. improve its public image, said Friday he was stepping down from his position [FIRED!] as head of outside support group amid criticism for remarks seen as racially offensive… “those are the people who have been overcharging us, selling us stale bread and bad meat and wilted vegetables… they’ve ripped off our communities enough. First it was Jews, then it was Koreans and now it’s Arabs”
Notice how the Alqaeda Press [AP] managed to keep Democrat Young’s name out of the headline? Another Jimmy Carter POS Democrat idiot!!
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“Yo” is a contraction of the word “yahoo” (as in “trailer park yahoo”) and is properly spelled Y’o.” Like most wingnuts, Y’o can’t even spell his own fucking name.
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“cracked in the head by a legless female dummy”? Sounds like MTR …
MTR @ 20
“GOldy – If one of these cowardly asshole ragheads is successful, I hope you’re on the plane.”
WHICH “cowardly asshole ragheads” do you mean? The “cowardly asshole ragheads” from Miami who were talking about bringing down the Chicago Sears Tower with Martial arts or something (since they had no guns, explosives, traning, or money)? Or the “cowardly asshole ragheads” in London who were going to blow up airplanes without explosives, explosives training, passports, or airline tickets? Or Jose Padilla, who, after a lot of tough talk about “dirty bombs” and such is charged with nothing more heinous than is “going to a jihad training camp in Afghanistan.”
John425 @ 23
“So, Goldy- to be politically correct, we have to wait until the fucking plane blows up and then,(of course)blame Republicans for not making us secure.”
Well, not exactly. Democrats, for example, would check cargo containers and would fund the deployment of the machines that can detect explosives at the airport. Then, in contrast to the REPUBLICAN plan, we wouldn’t have to “wait until the fucking plane blows up,” we’d catch the guys before it does.
Moonbats: I am sure GWB created these martyr videos on these computers.
http://www.lasvegassun.com/sun.....07624.html
I would tiny url it but furball needs to work!
You moonbat kooks saying this was all a GBW/Karl Rove dream:
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/w.....668561.htm
The Washington Post prints about the moonbat judge: http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....s_politics
“Regardless of what your position is on the merits of the issue, there’s no question that it’s a poorly reasoned decision,” said Bobby Chesney, a national security law specialist at Wake Forest University who takes a moderate stance on the legal debate over the NSA program. “The opinion kind of reads like an outline of possible grounds to strike down the program, without analysis to fill it in.”
What’d you expect: She was appointed by Jimmy King of Moonbats North Korea Has No Nukes Carter.
The Sixth District Appellate Court slapped a stay on this decision almost immediately! What does this say moonbats over Taylor’s decision? Lacking in judicial weight?
The Washington Post editorial board writes so nicely about moonbat Taylor: http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....01540.html
Judge Taylor’s opinion is certainly long on throat-clearing sound bites. “There are no hereditary Kings in America and no powers not created by the Constitution,” she thunders. She declares that “the public interest is clear, in this matter. It is the upholding of our Constitution.” And she insists that Mr. Bush has “undisputedly” violated the First and Fourth Amendments, the constitutional separation of powers, and federal surveillance law.
But the administration does, in fact, vigorously dispute these conclusions. Nor is its dispute frivolous. The NSA’s program, about which many facts are still undisclosed, exists at the nexus of inherent presidential powers, laws purporting to constrict those powers, the constitutional right of the people to be free from unreasonable surveillance, and a broad congressional authorization to use force against al-Qaeda. That authorization, the administration argues, permits the wiretapping notwithstanding existing federal surveillance law; inherent presidential powers, it suggests, allow it to conduct foreign intelligence surveillance on its own authority. You don’t have to accept either contention to acknowledge that these are complicated, difficult issues. Judge Taylor devotes a scant few pages to dismissing them, without even discussing key precedents.
Now Moonbat lovers of France: They balked at the peace keeping portion of the ZOO-N miision in Lebanon. They helped craft the watered down ZOO-N resolution, now they don’t want to do the work?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....00813.html
France on Thursday rebuffed pleas by U.N. officials to make a major contribution to a peacekeeping mission in southern Lebanon, setting back efforts to deploy an international military force to help police a cease-fire between Israel and Hezbollah, according to U.N. and French officials.
French President Jacques Chirac said Thursday that France would contribute only 200 additional troops to the U.N. operation in southern Lebanon, which the Security Council wants to expand from 2,000 troops to 15,000. Chirac said that a force of about 1,700 French troops and crew members on warships off the coast would provide logistical support. …
[T]here were no firm commitments to contribute personnel for a crucial, well-equipped spearhead force of 3,500 troops that the United Nations is trying to get into southern Lebanon within the next 10 days, according to India’s U.N. ambassador, Nirupam Sen. The United Nations had hoped that the mission would be made up largely of forces from advanced military powers, including France, Italy, Spain and Turkey, whose troops and firepower could deter challenges.
Wow this sucky blog is getting many worthwhile posts this evening. Cogent thought, strong content, and worthwhile information. You get more information n a MWS post than you get in those single sentence farts from Roger Furless.
SuckyClownConservative(Darrell)PudWhater@various You’d better hurry and get inas many lies as you can. It’s dark Real Soon Now.
Ah, the silence. . .the blessed silence.
Puddy, you should really see about getting you meds adjusted.
JCH is in training to take Jeff Gannon/Guckert’s place as Rove’s main squeeze. . .
AmericanFascist@anywhere If you can scare yourself about non-existent Soviet Satchel-Size nuclear wapons, then I guess you would be terrified byan “American Standard Junior Chem-Lab” in the boys room. . . . .
I already proved you wrong TreeKillingFrog. BTW, the sun has set doofus! How is that split personality coming along.
How does it feel moonbats to be wrong again and again? TreeKillinFrog is the prototype moonbat. Furball broke the mold.
There are some anecdotes floating around about how the Russians built a few suitcase nukes back before the Cold War (the real one, anyway) was declared over and done with. Several of ’em are unaccounted for, and the most credible speculation is that they’re in the hands of the israelis.
There’s another story popping up here and there that the timing of the British bust might have some connection with an effort to defuse a movement fronted by Prince Charles(!!) to kick Blair out of 10 Downing St.
TreeKillingFroggy: What caught scratching that shrunken scrotum brain again?
Now back to the thread.
Why will the ACLU will sue to stop voluntary prayer by the military at Annapolis and it will sue, demanding the military support Muslim religious practices by terrorist detainees at Gitmo? Because they are moonbats.
All these big-time arrests of supposed “sophisticated terrorists” are sounding more and more like a bunch of political hackery. Someone who wanted to blow up an airplane and didn’t mind getting incinerated along with it, who knew what he was doing wouldn’t bother with mixing up some sort of kickapoo joy juice in the lav. He’d simply get on the plane with a quarter pound of C4 tied up in a condom and shoved up his grommet.
What they’ve done–make a big fuss about common personal items people have been used to taking with them when they travel–is to get everyone’s attention.
It also seems curious that we have this happening simultaneously with the release of the 9/11 tapes, and Oliver Stone’s movie (wonder what it took to get him to sell his soul?)–right around primary time, when everyone’s turning their attention to what kind of government we’re going to have next year. Especially when there seems to be an increasing consensus that the one we have right now sucks.
ArtFart: I remember the scramble as they were thought lost in the Ukraine. DO you have a URL?
ArtFart, sorry to burst your bubble, but last year we had a scare on a plane. That’s all I am going to say.
ArtFart@88 Those anecdotes are the result of lying testimony presented by a discredited Russian defector named Lebedev. When he was confronted, he could not give details of Storage, Command, nor Control for Soviet Nuclear Weapons. On numerous occasions he shifted his story.
The smallest nuclear devices the Soviets actually built were roughly the size of an old-fashioned pine coffin. It took approximately four men to move them. They were referred to as “mines”. They had the capacity to build smaller, but did not build them. These weapons, roughly comarable to our SADMs were never deployed outside a central location on Russian Soil. These weapons were accounted for and destroyed under the SALT agreement.
ArtFart@88 These anecdotes are based on discredited information by a defector named Lebedev. They never built anything comparable to our M-54 Davy Crockett. What they had was accounted for and destroyed under the SALT Agreement.
TreeKillinFrog: You know so much about these briefcase bombs you must have them in your basement ready to give to your islamofascist friends.
Another TreeKillinFroggy obsession theory BLOWN TO BITS.
goldy…you have truly sunk to a new low even for you….and that’s saying alot.
here’s a scenario for you……
a passenger plane is hijacked by islamo fascists and flown into the new york times building while carrying a group from the UN and all their liberal buddies….ACLU, cindy sheehan ad nauseum.
how long till the spineless libs were screaming for everyone to kill all the muslim bastards?
less than a second?????
yup…it’s a thinker……..
PuddyWhackerSuckyClownConservative: Why do you lie? Why do you hate the United States? You support a corrupt,fascistic bunch of thugs. You are in an extreme minority. All you can do is Lie, spin and Lie. Crawl back into your hole.
Mike Webb Sucks:
You must have been in the audience that applauded me when I pointed to the Macaca that has been stalking me.
Give me $$$$$$ Mike Webb Sucks for my re-election to the Senate. From there I will raise more $$$$$ to be the next Dear Leader.
As your new Dear Leader, I will invade more countries and kill more terraists. If there’s any collateral damage, well that’s just the nature of war. Those people will have fair warning of our invasion and they’ll just have to prepare to meet their maker sooner.
Join me Mike Webb Sucks, give me $$$$$ and together we will defeat the Macacas.
Goldy,
This latest post has got to be the most childish rant I have ever read from you!
If you intent was to get laughed at, congratulations you succeeded!
christmasghost –
You were there in the audience that applauded me when I welcomed a Macaca to the real world of Virginia.
Give me $$$$$ christmasghost so I can become your new Dear Leader.
Forget the moonbats! The Macacas are the real enemy standing in the way of killing more terraists and lowering taxes!!!
The calls for more inspection of cargo is unnecessary, which is known by the dems. That’s why they don’t pursue it except as a talking point. The fact is, cargo is profiled in a way that passengers should be. If a shipment is coming from a known source, that is inspected before leaving port, and not traveling through any suspect area, then there is a high likelihood that it is safe. No reason to waste resource inspecting very low risk cargo.
Instead, the focus is put on the 5% of cargo that comes from countries known to host terrorists. But, I forget. No one believes in those at this site.
jaybo –
Now YOU had to be in the audience that applauded me when I singled out the Macaca among us.
Give me $$$$$ Jaybo. As your new Dear Leader, I will not let someone like Condi whip me. I will unleash the Israelis and together we will kill terraists everywhere and start up democracies. If there’s any collateral damage, well that’s just too bad. Only I have the manly courage to make these tough kinds of decisions.
The Macacas will not stand in our way jaybo! Give me $$$$$!!!!
TreeKillingFrog: Too bad you are busted again. Grow up little child. Become a man and maybe someone will engage you in a conversation. Unfortunately you are like a dull floor. No shine and needing a buffing
Janet S –
YOU HAD TO BE in the audience that applauded me when I exposed the Macaca stalker!
How else would you get the talking points you need when you visit moonbat sites?
Forget the moonbats! Give me $$$$$ and you will have talking points tailored for Macacas!!!
Mike Webb Sucks –
Forget the moonbats! It is the Macacas that is the true priority!!
As your new Dear Leader, I will be the decider!!!
TFFarmer says: “ what we know about Soviet capabilities and manufacturing methods for fissile material make this myth very remotely possible in the real world.”
Commentby Tree Frog Farmer—— 8/17/06@ 9:02 pm
You are talking out of your ass again, TFF, you know nothing about “Soviet capabilities and manufacturing methods for fissile material.”
The question again was;
specifically what is it that you know about Soviet capabilities that demonstrates that suitcase nukes are myth?
If we can make 155MM nukes the Soviets obviously could make suitcase nukes. The only things reasonably disputable are whether or not the Soviets built them, and if so, whether or not some were sold or stolen. Give up on the crap that the Soviets were incapable of doing so.
Why do I say that Goldy sounds like a ranting brat of a child?
Read the following first;
Following are excerpts from a children’s program hosted by Egyptian cleric, Sheik Muhammad Sharaf Al-Din, which aired on Al-Nas TV, on June 21, 2006:
Muhammad Sharaf Al-Din: A Jewish woman invited the Prophet Muhammad to a meal. Why? Because she was clever. She said that if he was truly a prophet, he would know (the food was poisoned), and we would know he is a prophet. But if his claim to be a prophet was false, he would die, and we would be rid of him. She knew the Prophet liked the right leg of a lamb. The Prophet liked the right leg from the front. She put poison inside. After the lamb had been slaughtered, skinned, cut, and cooked, she put poison in the meat of the leg she knew the Prophet liked.
Muhammad likes to eat from the leg, someone else may like to eat from the liver, another may like to eat from the head, and another may like to eat from the tongue of the slaughtered animal. People like to eat different kinds of meat. The Jewish woman was told that the Prophet liked to eat the right leg, so she brought one and put poison in it.
After the lamb was slaughtered, skinned, cut, and cooked, it was served to the Prophet Muhammad. When the Prophet Muhammad said “In the name of Allah”… A Muslim must say “In the name of Allah” before eating. When the Prophet said: “In the name of Allah,” and cut off a piece of meat, and was about to eat it, our Lord resurrected the lamb, and made it say: “Don’t eat me, I’m poisoned, oh messenger of Allah.”
[…]
Ruqaya, what did you learn from today’s show?
Voice of Ruqaya: I learned that the Jews are the people of treachery and betrayal…
Muhammad Sharaf Al-Din: Allah Akbar! Say Allah Akbar! What did Ruqiya say? The Jews are the people of treachery and betrayal. May Allah give you success. We want mothers who teach their sons Jihad, the love of Allah and His messenger, sacrifice for the sake of Islam, and love for the countries of the Muslims. Loving the country of the Muslims. May Allah bless you, Ruqaya. That is the most beautiful thing I have heard – that the Jews are the people of treachery, betrayal, and vileness.
http://www.memritv.org/Transcript.asp?P1=118
I don’t care if you are a secular Jew, a liberal Jew or a traditional Jew; how can you post this kind of flippant drivel when there are people preaching this kind of hatred towards you?
Notice the brainwashing above was to incite hatred of Jews only.
There is a movement afoot to try to set the stage for another holocast. It could end up being a family member that is attacked next Goldy, and you joke………..
On second thought maybe I am insulting the children of this world by comparing you to them.
Roger,
When I say Yo, it means Hey You! or Present, or Yes
It pronounced YOOOOOOOOOO!
When the local Muslin community will openly refuse to let anyone professing anti-American or anti-Semitic views from speaking in their mosques, I will believe them that they are a religion of peace and condemn terrorism.
When the local Muslim community throws open their doors and declares that US law trumps sharia law, then their protests will have meaning.
When the local Muslime community assures that their private schools teach a rigorous liberal curriculum, in addition to religious training, then the country will start trusting that they are one of us, and not a fifth column.
Janet S –
Those talking points need to be vetted for the proper anti-Macaca emphasis.
For example:
rigorous liberal curriculum,
BLASPHEMY! CONSERVATIVE CURRICULUM ONLY!!!!
Is this a progressive’s idea of satire? Pretty lame. Maybe you should try an actual argument with reasoning.
Americafirst you said this about TreeKillingFraud: “You are talking out of your ass again, TFF, you know nothing about “Soviet capabilities and manufacturing methods for fissile material.” ”
Ever since he arrived TreeKillingFraud talked out of his ASS.
I finally found the definitive picture of Roger Furless:
http://photos1.blogger.com/blo.....e001.4.jpg
HEre is a picture of TreeKillingFraud’s automobile:
http://photos1.blogger.com/blo.....e001.5.jpg
Truly he’s CLUELESS, like our clueless one!
http://photos1.blogger.com/blo.....e002.1.jpg
Rujerks and Daddy Luv in action:
http://photos1.blogger.com/blo.....e002.2.jpg
AmericanFascist Keep sucking that Koolaid!
AmericanFascist, next you’ll tell me that they’ll be able to service the tritium triggers with their glow-in-the-dark mickeymouse watches.
Freepers, yah gotta love these ignorant fascists.
Mike Webb Sucks –
Do you have any pictures of Macacas?
If so contact my campaign office.
“I don’t belong to an organized political party. I’m a Democrat.
Janet at 111
With only a short time on this board, I’ve found it does get messy. Still, there is some rational discussion that goes on among the ranting. Hey, liberty is a messy business, and freedom includes being free to be an idiot.
“When the local Muslim community will openly refuse to let anyone professing anti-American or anti-Semitic views from speaking in their mosques, I will believe them that they are a religion of peace and condemn terrorism.”
Most do, although some do not. Of course, the mosques that have the raving lunatic up front do get more press. It’s not some sort of conspiracy, it’s just that a bunch of folks praying for peace don’t get folks to watch the evening news or buy the paper.
Please remember that we Christians have at least our fair share of loonies too. Rev Phelps claims to be a Christian, and I sure don’t want to be judged by what he does.
“When the local Muslim community throws open their doors and declares that US law trumps sharia law, then their protests will have meaning.”
Heck, even I won’t declare that US law trumps the Bible. Many Christians are willing to go to jail for their beliefs. Many have even died for them.
“When the local Muslim community assures that their private schools teach a rigorous liberal curriculum, in addition to religious training, then the country will start trusting that they are one of us, and not a fifth column.”
Again, if you replace the word “Muslim” with “Christian”, you have to admit that some (very few, thank God) “Christian” schools have the same problem.
There are people in every religion that use God to further their own ends. These folks are not really followers of the religion. To them, it’s just a means to an end. (My own belief is that God will deal with them accordingly.)
BUT – Remember that those people would find another excuse if religion wasn’t there, and in fact, many do. Remember that the greatest mass murderers of our age did not follow any religion. (That would be Stalin, Hitler and Pol Pot. Mao Tse Tung could possibly also make the list.) They used race or politics to excuse what was simply a lust for power.
This board requires a rather thick skin. Even a libertarian-leaning liberal (yours truly) gets beat up a bit around here, and if you’re conservative, expect to get attacked from all sides.
Still, even though I’m pretty new around here, I’ve found that it’s often worth the effort. There’s more action around this board every day than most get in a year.
(And, of course, I forgot to close the italics again.)
MWS @ 75:
Read the story. A Briton sent to Pakistan says he knows where UBL and his deputy are hiding.
Pakistani intelligence is pretty good at stuff like that. If you were in the hands of the ISI, you would know where Usama was as well.
The proof is in finding him, which (checks the paper again) hasn’t happened yet.
JSA: What you say doesn’t prove anything. He revealed the plot and they have been stopped. You discount the martyr videos because video proof is the moonbats worse nightmare!
MWS at @90
Dear Moron,
Military men praying. Government workers, paid government workers. Separation of churcha and state.
Gitmo “detainees”. Not government workers. Not charged with crime. This country was founded on religious freedom for ALL, not just Republicans. These ideals should be recognized for prisoners. What harm is there is praying?
Next question, mindless one.
Carl Grossman
Liberal, Democrat
What a doofus Carl Grossman. Tell me where they are US citizens to get rights accorded by the US Constitution?
127 Maybe CG can show us just where in the constitution the phrase “separation of church [churcha] and state” is located. Next mouth-fart, ignoant one.
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